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| 00:05.09 | Arc | wait. tomorrow is april fools. student submissions are still open. |
| 00:05.44 | Arc | summer of code student submissions open on april fools day |
| 00:05.48 | Arc | this can't be good. |
| 00:06.26 | gchaix | Arc: we'll just ignore anything submitted that day ;-) |
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| 00:09.15 | mceier | Arc: gchaix: today is that day, not tomorrow, or are you from yesterday ? xD |
| 00:09.26 | gchaix | timezone fail |
| 00:09.39 | gchaix | has 7 hrs to go |
| 00:10.05 | mceier | ah :) here, is 2:12 am 1st April xD |
| 00:10.50 | mmadia | is anyone experiencing a 500 Server Error at http://socghop.appspot.com/ ? |
| 00:11.55 | mmadia | reads chat log and discovers "yes" |
| 00:13.11 | thiagoss | Arc, http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1149, that's my favorite :-) |
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| 00:17.39 | yeonhoo_ | huh... |
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| 00:25.11 | rwatson | tunes in from airport lounge land |
| 00:25.23 | summatusmentis | rwatson: which airport? |
| 00:26.12 | rwatson | summatusmentis: IAD |
| 00:26.31 | rwatson | BA lounge near gate 20, if anyone is around here. :-) |
| 00:27.19 | summatusmentis | VA? weird |
| 00:27.24 | summatusmentis | I never fly through VA |
| 00:27.44 | summatusmentis | oh, virtually DC, that makes more sense |
| 00:28.01 | rwatson | summatusmentis: yes. was visiting DC for the week. |
| 00:28.10 | rwatson | well, another bit of virtually DC, anyway |
| 00:28.28 | summatusmentis | is it a nice airport? |
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| 00:28.41 | summatusmentis | I hate airports |
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| 00:29.56 | rwatson | summatusmentis: no. as airports go, it is weak on common sense. |
| 00:30.06 | summatusmentis | :-/ |
| 00:30.13 | summatusmentis | that's a shame |
| 00:30.47 | rwatson | they're working on it, but have been forever. once they finally get the train stuff between terminals working, it will improve a lot. |
| 00:30.56 | rwatson | currently they bus people between terminals, and often to/from flights |
| 00:31.58 | rwatson | (all international flights have to have passengers bused to the international arrivals area, a bit like atlanta but maybe marginally more sensible than that) |
| 00:31.59 | summatusmentis | JFK does a lot of bussing between terminals too |
| 00:32.06 | summatusmentis | (at least between 3 and 4) |
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| 00:33.13 | rwatson | (atlanta supremely non-sensible in that they combine domestic and international arrivals at remote terminals, which means they have to security screen all arriving international passengers) |
| 00:33.37 | rwatson | (and you have to pick up your baggage, get it screened, then drop it off again) |
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| 00:33.57 | summatusmentis | atlanta isn't fun iether |
| 00:34.04 | summatusmentis | but like I said, I hate airports |
| 00:34.13 | rwatson | atlanta international arrivals redefines low-end |
| 00:34.32 | darkip | hey, I'm a first year CS student at the University of Bristol in the UK, I've been looking through some of the accepted organisations project proposals but i'm not really sure what sort of stuff I should be applying for |
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| 00:35.08 | BarryCarlyon | !logs |
| 00:35.08 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 00:35.51 | rwatson | darkip: one dimension of choice is programming language; if you're not fluent in the language used by an organization for their code, then you may not want to pick it |
| 00:36.14 | rwatson | darkip: although there are inevitable exceptions to that rule :-) |
| 00:37.17 | BarryCarlyon | I just got the server error isms.... |
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| 00:38.40 | atulagrwl | I too got the error while accessing timeline |
| 00:38.42 | darkip | heh, well i'm fairly proficient in PHP and I've learnt C + Java this year but after looking through the projects, the majority seem to be C (no surprise) and already have quite a mature code-base which I think I might find difficult to add to |
| 00:39.50 | rwatson | darkip: (reveal hidden agenda: I work on freebsd) there are a surprising number of new coding opportunities even with very large code bases |
| 00:39.53 | rwatson | darkip: sometimes being the guy (gal) not deeply invested in existing code is liberating rather than something to hold you down :-) |
| 00:40.03 | ojwb | darkip: see: |
| 00:40.05 | ojwb | !orgbylang |
| 00:40.05 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
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| 00:40.32 | darkip | thanks ojwb, i'll have a look at that |
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| 00:41.11 | rwatson | darkip: freebsd is 99% C, but a lot of people doing testing stuff use python, for example |
| 00:41.37 | rwatson | darkip: especially network-related testing, because there are nice toolkits for building packets, etc. |
| 00:42.02 | rwatson | darkip: so we have a GSoC project idea, TCP/IP regression testing, which requires reading C code, but not really writing much since we expect most testing will be written in Python |
| 00:42.21 | rwatson | (mind you, you had better like networks for a project like that :-) |
| 00:42.45 | darkip | heh, i've been doing a bit of python recently so i'll definitely have a look into that |
| 00:43.25 | darkip | i'm also having a look at some of wordpress' proposals |
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| 00:46.06 | anothy_x | we (plan9) have a decent variety of projects that're focused on C as different levels of difficulty. |
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| 00:46.34 | anothy_x | i agree with rwatson: don't let the "mature code base" thing deter you. |
| 00:46.49 | darkip | noted :) |
| 00:47.04 | rwatson | besides which, the best way to learn C is to use it. perhaps the only way :-) |
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| 00:48.23 | darkip | hah, uni's got me coding a mips32 assembler at the moment |
| 00:48.48 | Cheezmeister1 | In mips32 ;)? |
| 00:49.43 | darkip | nah, in C on x86 |
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| 00:55.23 | uniqueculture | i have a question, can a team of students submit a proposal? |
| 00:55.31 | anothy_x | no |
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| 00:56.12 | r0bby | uniqueculture: no |
| 00:56.16 | r0bby | read the faq |
| 00:56.32 | disismt | hey did LH say that proposals have to be submitted, finished or unfinished *NOW* |
| 00:56.45 | dmj727 | Has google implemented new restrictions on abstract length. I just tried to submit changes to my proposal (none to the abstract) and it complained that it was too long. |
| 00:56.48 | r0bby | ... jesus it never ceases to amaze me how many people do not read the faq/docs/archives of the list |
| 00:56.54 | ojwb | sighs, is it going to be like this all day? |
| 00:56.57 | r0bby | dmj727: April 3 is the dead line |
| 00:57.21 | r0bby | sighs |
| 00:57.37 | r0bby | dmj727: if it's too long you can link a google doc page |
| 00:57.39 | dmj727 | It said the abstract was more than 500 characters. It had submitted fine the other day. |
| 00:57.42 | uniqueculture | thanks! |
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| 00:57.56 | dmj727 | for the abstract? |
| 00:58.06 | r0bby | Community Bonding was apinful last year |
| 00:58.14 | dmj727 | "Must be under 500 characters, it has 1429 characters. " |
| 00:58.21 | summatusmentis | r0bby: painful? |
| 00:58.22 | nuba | i am Project 2501, aka Pupper Master, but I sometimes go along as 'nuba' on freenode. Can I participate on SoC? hah Don't tell me thats in the FAQ! Gotcha! :D |
| 00:58.27 | r0bby | that too! |
| 00:58.38 | r0bby | dmj727; so fix it |
| 00:58.46 | r0bby | or condense it |
| 00:58.59 | summatusmentis | nuba: ? |
| 00:59.08 | r0bby | Perhaps write a shortened version and say "For more information see: <insert link here>" |
| 00:59.32 | nuba | summatusmentis: youve never seen ghost in the shell, i suppose |
| 00:59.33 | summatusmentis | what're we condensing? |
| 00:59.40 | summatusmentis | nuba: no |
| 01:00.02 | summatusmentis | I think it might be too old for me >_> |
| 01:00.02 | nuba | pupper master as no physical presence, exists solely as a digital self |
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| 01:03.17 | r0bby | nuba: EVERYTHING is in the FAQ |
| 01:03.28 | r0bby | if it's not there, it's in teh discussion list archives! |
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| 01:04.32 | summatusmentis | or lh's head |
| 01:04.57 | summatusmentis | which, in terms of efficiency, if we could just make her head searchable, everything would be wonderful |
| 01:05.06 | summatusmentis | (maybe even just GSoC related parts) |
| 01:05.38 | icez | maybe on google.com in the year 2150 :P |
| 01:06.25 | BarryCarlyon | Sorry Guys I have to inform you that you are all figments of my imagination! |
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| 01:10.31 | thiagoss | BarryCarlyon, you solipsist! |
| 01:11.05 | rwatson | thinks that is simplifying, much easier to be a figment. |
| 01:11.15 | BarryCarlyon | APRIL FOOLS! |
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| 01:12.01 | r0bby | BarryCarlyon: it's still 3/31/2009 here! |
| 01:12.02 | r0bby | so |
| 01:12.05 | r0bby | JOKES ON YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 01:12.14 | BarryCarlyon | Not in the world of UTC! |
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| 01:15.37 | makmanalp | anyone else have this problem where firefox lags like nuts on http://socghop.appspot.com/student/apply/google/gsoc2009 ? |
| 01:15.41 | rwatson | any students here with freebsd proposal-related questions? if so give me a /msg. |
| 01:16.15 | rwatson | around for a bit longer before flight slurping up free^H^H^H^Hcomplimentary wireless. |
| 01:16.28 | harlan | where are you headed? |
| 01:16.56 | rwatson | IAD -> LHR |
| 01:17.03 | rwatson | (home after a week near DC) |
| 01:17.23 | harlan | had I known I would have told you some of my favorite restaurants around there. |
| 01:17.36 | rwatson | harlan: ah, which are those? I used to live in DC... |
| 01:17.50 | rwatson | (but always happy to learn about new restaurants -- is in DC once or twice a year as leigh has family here) |
| 01:17.55 | makmanalp | rwatson: heh, a lot of airports have credit card up front style wireless these days |
| 01:18.13 | rwatson | makmanalp: I fly too much, have BA lounge access |
| 01:18.16 | harlan | Best Buns in Shirlington, TImbuktu on the way out 70 toward B"more, the Ambrosia Grill in Rockville, Cafe Monty near 7 corners |
| 01:18.29 | makmanalp | rwatson: ah, neat. no such thing as too much! |
| 01:18.57 | harlan | Vacarro's (or whatever) in B'more's Little Italy area |
| 01:19.30 | freebsd-brooks | makmanalp: when you no longer need seatguru.com to help you decide where to sit, you offically fly too much :) |
| 01:19.36 | rwatson | hmm. think I've not been to most/all o those, will have to try them next time I'm around. |
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| 01:19.51 | rwatson | admits to having favourite seats in most classes of most BA plane configurations |
| 01:20.20 | r0bby | when i sneeze, the world shakes. |
| 01:20.34 | rwatson | that's funny, when I sneeze, people look at me funny. |
| 01:21.22 | harlan | rwatson, if you head out "this way" again and have the time, I would love to pay you to bring me some TYmsboro from Neals Yard Dairy |
| 01:21.33 | rwatson | harlan: if we're exchanging restaurants in DC, I admit a secret fondness for Nooshi near dupont circle, bombay bistro in rockville |
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| 01:22.03 | harlan | I havent' been to those - now I'm trying to remember the name of my favorite place on Dupont circle... |
| 01:22.12 | harlan | CHilde Harold. |
| 01:22.40 | rwatson | nooshi is "asian fusion" -- they used to have a branch in bethesda ("oodles noodles") but that closed |
| 01:22.49 | harlan | ouch - i forgot to eat lunch and now I"m getting hungry... |
| 01:22.50 | rwatson | sushi on one side of the menu, noodle dishes and curries on the other |
| 01:23.04 | harlan | I hardly ever make it to the US east coast anymore. |
| 01:23.05 | harlan | neat! |
| 01:23.42 | dmj727 | Is the 500 character limit new this year. All of the abstracts I have found on the GNOME list of old accepted proposals are well over 500 characters. |
| 01:23.52 | rwohleb | rwatson: that sounds SO good |
| 01:24.17 | rwatson | rwohleb: yeah, it's really great. :-) |
| 01:24.32 | ecin | The 500 char limit was put in to promote Twitter. |
| 01:24.50 | ecin | And actually only a week in. My first proposal submission had a much longer abstract. |
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| 01:24.54 | harlan | rwatson: Please have a safe flight - I"ll bbl. |
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| 01:25.05 | rwatson | will do my best, almost time to board here. |
| 01:25.20 | rwohleb | we got a new southeast asian place in our little town.... awesome pho.... FINALLY |
| 01:25.42 | dmj727 | ecin: How did you shorten your abstract? |
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| 01:26.04 | ecin | dmj727: with a thesaurus in hand. :P |
| 01:26.11 | SkamanSam | good eve, everyone! |
| 01:26.33 | dmj727 | I thought mine was pretty concise at 14xx characters |
| 01:26.38 | summatusmentis | I didn't find the char limit an issue |
| 01:26.46 | summatusmentis | it's your salespitch |
| 01:26.48 | ecin | dmj727: how long was your actual proposal? |
| 01:26.57 | dmj727 | 5 pages |
| 01:27.04 | ecin | Oh, wait. |
| 01:27.07 | rwatson | useful formula: who you are, what the problem is, what you're going to do about it, what you will deliver. |
| 01:27.08 | ecin | I confused characters for words. |
| 01:27.24 | ecin | Yeah, my original abstract was over 1000 characters. |
| 01:27.41 | ecin | rwatson: sounds like a good recipe. |
| 01:27.48 | rwatson | -> flight, back tomorrow |
| 01:27.56 | rwatson | (with any luck.. :-) |
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| 01:31.49 | makmanalp | freebsd-brooks: heh, that's a whole new level! |
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| 01:35.51 | SkamanSam | I would like to do something that does not fall under any one organization, but may fall under a few |
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| 01:36.10 | SkamanSam | how should i go about my application? |
| 01:36.17 | SkamanSam | er - proposal? |
| 01:37.03 | ojwb | talk to the relevant orgs |
| 01:37.07 | SkamanSam | submit to one and work on that portion - or submit to google and see? |
| 01:37.09 | ojwb | you'll need to pick one |
| 01:37.11 | SkamanSam | ah - thanx |
| 01:37.21 | ojwb | the "no org" route is a hard one |
| 01:37.37 | ojwb | you'll need to find a mentor yourself, and there are probably only 3 or 4 slots |
| 01:37.39 | makmanalp | heh |
| 01:39.13 | SkamanSam | hrm - ok |
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| 01:39.42 | SkamanSam | i got part of my idea from an ideas list - so i'll see about that org |
| 01:39.51 | hypersonic_ | Hi all |
| 01:39.52 | SkamanSam | thanks a bunch! |
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| 01:50.13 | makmanalp | regarding proposals, what happens if two of mine get accepted by different organizations? I get to pick which one I want? |
| 01:50.55 | makmanalp | it says: "You may submit up to 20 proposals, but only one will be accepted.", does this mean in such a situation google / the organizations will choose? |
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| 01:52.51 | homunq | makmanalp: yes. If you were acceptable to two orgs, they'd probably contact you for which you prefer. |
| 01:53.42 | makmanalp | okay, thank you. |
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| 01:53.58 | ojwb | but you may not get asked, or your preference may not be takne |
| 01:54.12 | ojwb | so don't apply for projects unless you'd be happy doing them... |
| 01:54.21 | homunq | yes. I said "probably", not "definitely". |
| 01:54.54 | ojwb | indeed, just reinforcing that point |
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| 02:18.21 | summatusmentis | hi |
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| 02:37.43 | Landon | !timeline |
| 02:37.43 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 02:38.19 | caden | hi Landon! |
| 02:38.36 | summatusmentis | that Landon kid is here? |
| 02:38.38 | summatusmentis | ugh |
| 02:38.43 | caden | hah |
| 02:39.25 | yangyang | Hi all, is there any template for the proposal? |
| 02:39.25 | Landon | ugh that landon kid |
| 02:39.27 | Landon | hate him |
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| 02:39.39 | Landon | yangyang: each org has their own template |
| 02:39.41 | summatusmentis | yangyang: templates are decided by the orgs |
| 02:40.21 | caden | i did notice that when you click on the 'submit student proposal' and select an org, the org has often pasted their template into the doc |
| 02:40.29 | caden | but if they have not you will have to go to the org and ask them |
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| 02:40.40 | summatusmentis | seriously though, Landon? suuuuper arrogant |
| 02:40.44 | summatusmentis | >_> |
| 02:40.44 | yangyang | Thank you very much |
| 02:40.47 | Landon | :P |
| 02:41.10 | Landon | gosh, only 268 words so far in my proposal |
| 02:41.13 | Landon | and I'm almost tapped |
| 02:41.26 | caden | you're not related to Michael Landon are you? |
| 02:41.29 | caden | heh heh |
| 02:41.33 | Landon | (this is just description, no timeline or personal info yet) |
| 02:41.36 | Landon | no :P |
| 02:41.39 | hypersonic | What about Michael Landau? :D |
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| 02:41.41 | NicDumZ | !neeeext |
| 02:41.42 | socinfo | Error: "neeeext" is not a valid command. |
| 02:41.45 | NicDumZ | s/eeee/e |
| 02:42.02 | NicDumZ | duh. that bot is not so clever >) |
| 02:42.06 | caden | 1 more slash |
| 02:42.11 | caden | s/eeee/e/ |
| 02:42.24 | summatusmentis | he'll have to do it for the bot to recognize it |
| 02:42.25 | Landon | !s/eeee/e/ |
| 02:42.25 | socinfo | Error: "s/eeee/e/" is not a valid command. |
| 02:42.27 | Landon | aww |
| 02:42.36 | Landon | s/ww/w/ |
| 02:42.37 | summatusmentis | although at this point, it may not work |
| 02:42.40 | Landon | yaywoo |
| 02:42.50 | NicDumZ | !nayyxt |
| 02:42.50 | socinfo | Error: "nayyxt" is not a valid command. |
| 02:42.54 | caden | s/ee/eeeeeeee/ |
| 02:42.55 | NicDumZ | s/ayy/e/ |
| 02:43.00 | caden | nice |
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| 02:43.18 | NicDumZ | but then socinfo should send the right command back :p |
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| 02:44.05 | Landon | summatusmentis: what's the wc on your proposal? |
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| 02:44.12 | summatusmentis | not sure, hold on |
| 02:44.25 | caden | maybe the ! has to be the first char on the line |
| 02:44.25 | summatusmentis | 1393 |
| 02:44.32 | Landon | o.o |
| 02:44.40 | caden | summatusmentis: show off! |
| 02:44.48 | Landon | totally |
| 02:44.48 | Landon | :p |
| 02:44.52 | summatusmentis | really? I felt like it was kinda short... |
| 02:45.00 | caden | i didn't count mine |
| 02:45.02 | Landon | haha |
| 02:45.12 | caden | but i stuck my resume on the end because it said "give detailed programming experience" |
| 02:45.12 | Landon | how much of it was in the description of the project? |
| 02:45.22 | caden | so that wouldn't give a very accurate count of the meat of it |
| 02:45.29 | summatusmentis | Landon: as in, the one suggested by the org? |
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| 02:45.50 | Landon | summatusmentis: no, your part |
| 02:45.55 | Landon | what you wrote up |
| 02:45.55 | NicDumZ | I did a LateX pdf... way easier to format the application |
| 02:46.00 | summatusmentis | oh, uh... hold on |
| 02:46.16 | summatusmentis | 634 |
| 02:46.37 | Landon | hm mines only a third of that |
| 02:46.44 | Landon | (good enough for me) |
| 02:46.45 | Landon | :p |
| 02:46.51 | caden | LaTeX? you are an even bigger show off! ;) |
| 02:46.52 | Landon | I want to get this in _toniught_ |
| 02:47.01 | caden | mine wasn't very long |
| 02:47.06 | summatusmentis | Landon: 634 isn't counting timeline |
| 02:47.09 | NicDumZ | hehe :p |
| 02:47.10 | caden | i haven't gotten any feedback, which worries me |
| 02:47.16 | Landon | caden: telling math teachers you use \latex to format your reports == brownie points |
| 02:47.17 | Landon | :P |
| 02:47.29 | Landon | summatusmentis: right, thats a seperate section in mine as well |
| 02:47.39 | summatusmentis | NicDumZ: how does that help you? You still have to submit it through google, in text form |
| 02:47.44 | summatusmentis | Landon: yeh |
| 02:47.47 | Landon | summatusmentis: you can link to it |
| 02:47.52 | summatusmentis | true |
| 02:47.55 | NicDumZ | summatusmentis, no I just linked my pdf |
| 02:48.03 | Landon | all that you really need is the abstract |
| 02:48.08 | Landon | so they have something to put on the public facing site |
| 02:48.09 | caden | Landon: i know! however if i'm at a bookstore and i open a book and it was obviously formatted in LaTeX i weep at how boring and stuffy it's probably going to be |
| 02:48.09 | Landon | :P |
| 02:48.14 | summatusmentis | I had a shortish "about me", then a link to my resume |
| 02:48.16 | Landon | hehe |
| 02:48.43 | caden | does anyone suggest any cheap open source type conferences this summer? |
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| 02:49.01 | Landon | caden: ! |
| 02:49.01 | caden | i bought a plane ticket a few weeks ago and had to cancel it so now i have this credit i have to use or lose |
| 02:49.06 | Landon | theres one in portland |
| 02:49.10 | Landon | let me find the email about it |
| 02:49.12 | Landon | not OSCON |
| 02:49.12 | summatusmentis | caden: I'm hosting one in my backyard, it's only a $100 entry fee |
| 02:49.15 | caden | O_O |
| 02:49.22 | summatusmentis | >_> |
| 02:49.26 | caden | summatusmentis: is it a $100/cup party? |
| 02:49.51 | Landon | http://opensourcebridge.org/ @ caden |
| 02:49.58 | summatusmentis | caden: nope, not over 21 :D |
| 02:49.59 | Landon | I can forward you the email I got if you want |
| 02:50.04 | caden | there is probably some conference clearing house calendar page |
| 02:50.19 | caden | Landon: does it have deep deep discounts? otherwise that's ok if i just have the link |
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| 02:50.42 | Landon | golly, I just saw the registration fee as well :P |
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| 02:51.01 | dberkholz | that's why you submit for a talk. =) |
| 02:51.05 | Landon | $100 for student passes |
| 02:51.06 | Landon | :) |
| 02:51.21 | dberkholz | there's linuxcon/linux plumbers later in the summer too |
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| 02:51.54 | caden | open source bridge conf: "The geekery doesnt end when the sessions do. Were also running a 24-hour hacker lounge" |
| 02:51.55 | caden | heh |
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| 02:52.20 | summatusmentis | ugh, hitting enter doesn't send an email |
| 02:52.22 | dberkholz | BYOC -- bring your own cot. |
| 02:52.25 | summatusmentis | I'm spending too much time in IRC |
| 02:52.43 | Landon | summatusmentis: :wq doesn't save an open office document either |
| 02:52.43 | Landon | :) |
| 02:52.46 | NicDumZ | if you go the "showoff" way, I also included pretty graphs (the only reason that ever makes me use a Mac is OmniGraffle), so I'm pretty much a showoff, yes :( |
| 02:52.49 | caden | reading these proposals makes me feel unqualified to give a talk |
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| 02:53.07 | summatusmentis | Landon: I know! |
| 02:53.09 | caden | NicDumZ: graphs rule. except i would use visio and get booed for not using open source |
| 02:53.19 | Landon | summatusmentis: what do you use as a mail client? |
| 02:53.25 | summatusmentis | gmail |
| 02:53.37 | Landon | oh |
| 02:53.39 | Landon | right |
| 02:53.39 | Landon | you |
| 02:53.50 | summatusmentis | been contemplating switching to some cli thing, pine, mutt, I don't know |
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| 02:54.04 | caden | does anyone still use elm? |
| 02:54.23 | Landon | I use mutt |
| 02:54.35 | Landon | as easy as ^acmutt |
| 02:54.47 | summatusmentis | that would require me to have shell access on public computers, which I don't |
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| 02:55.05 | Landon | summatusmentis: I have squirrelmail set up for those odd occasions |
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| 02:55.08 | Landon | which is 1% of the time |
| 02:55.09 | Landon | :p |
| 02:55.18 | summatusmentis | Landon: I HATE squirrelmail |
| 02:55.27 | Landon | use roundcube |
| 02:55.28 | dberkholz | try roundcube |
| 02:55.30 | dberkholz | heh. |
| 02:55.30 | Landon | or something ajaxy |
| 02:55.38 | caden | is there such a thing as an open source AI conference (more software oriented than research?) |
| 02:55.40 | Landon | I like squirrelmail, plenty fast on my eeepc |
| 02:55.41 | Landon | :) |
| 02:55.51 | summatusmentis | I don't have time to mess w/ VPS settings at this point in my life |
| 02:56.01 | summatusmentis | yeah yeah "I'm Landon, I have an eeepc" |
| 02:56.03 | Landon | do it over the summer |
| 02:56.03 | Landon | :D |
| 02:56.22 | Landon | summatusmentis: hey, it gets the ladies pointing at my lap and yelling HOW CUTE |
| 02:56.25 | BarryCarlyon | Someone mention ee? |
| 02:56.28 | BarryCarlyon | eee* |
| 02:56.29 | Landon | on the other hand, that might not be a good thing |
| 02:56.33 | summatusmentis | Landon: my gf might have an issue w/ that |
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| 02:56.45 | summatusmentis | BarryCarlyon: Landon's elitest, and likes to rub it in :D |
| 02:56.50 | Landon | elitist* |
| 02:56.51 | BarryCarlyon | I has an eee |
| 02:56.54 | summatusmentis | whatever |
| 02:56.56 | Landon | :P |
| 02:57.06 | Landon | back to my proposal |
| 02:57.32 | summatusmentis | Landon Landon Landon Landon Landon Landon Landon |
| 02:57.40 | summatusmentis | Landon: |
| 02:57.45 | summatusmentis | Landon |
| 02:57.47 | summatusmentis | Landon: |
| 02:57.50 | summatusmentis | Landon |
| 02:57.51 | Landon | oh |
| 02:57.53 | summatusmentis | k, I'm done |
| 02:57.55 | Landon | you know what I found the other day |
| 02:57.57 | Landon | my phones email address |
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| 02:58.03 | Landon | I need to set something cool up |
| 02:58.37 | caden | something cool.... like an eeepc? |
| 02:58.38 | summatusmentis | I've always contemplated an IRC plugin that takes the 5 lines before and after a nick trigger, and forwards them to my phone |
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| 02:58.59 | BarryCarlyon | summatusmentis, summatusmentis, summatusmentis, summatusmentis, summatusmentis, summatusmentis, summatusmentis, summatusmentis, summatusmentis, summatusmentis, summatusmentis, summatusmentis, summatusmentis, summatusmentis, summatusmentis, |
| 02:59.08 | Landon | summatusmentis: or the one on the trigger :P |
| 02:59.18 | Landon | caden: I dont think I can text that to my phone |
| 02:59.28 | summatusmentis | Landon: obviously including the one on the trigger *rolls eyes* |
| 02:59.31 | summatusmentis | but you need context |
| 02:59.46 | BarryCarlyon | ur mum |
| 02:59.52 | balleyne | i think i remember reading somewhere that students can edit proposals after they've been created, but I can't remember where... is that true? or should we only submit a final draft? |
| 03:00.01 | summatusmentis | balleyne: yes |
| 03:00.04 | summatusmentis | it's true |
| 03:00.07 | Landon | summatusmentis: what if someone does 11 512byte lines :) |
| 03:00.09 | Landon | that'd be a pain |
| 03:00.13 | ojwb | but not after the submission deadline |
| 03:00.15 | Landon | dozens of texts |
| 03:00.19 | summatusmentis | Landon: well, yes, it would, but still |
| 03:00.19 | balleyne | summatusmentis: thanks |
| 03:00.26 | summatusmentis | right, listen to ojwb |
| 03:00.40 | ojwb | only comments then, which is different to previous years |
| 03:00.56 | summatusmentis | should make tea |
| 03:01.10 | Landon | ok |
| 03:01.12 | Landon | say you have a scene |
| 03:01.20 | Landon | and you wnt to rotate the camera around an object |
| 03:01.22 | Landon | what's that operation called |
| 03:01.32 | Landon | I'm sure there's gotta be a fancy nonambiguous word for it |
| 03:02.04 | ojwb | so if anyone's working on an unsubmitted proposal and hasn't run it past the org outside of the web app, last minute submission will mean no chance to update it in response to any feedback... |
| 03:02.08 | ojwb | Landon: orbit? |
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| 03:02.16 | Landon | ojwb: I'll use it |
| 03:02.17 | Landon | sounds good to me |
| 03:02.18 | Landon | :p |
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| 03:02.28 | ojwb | there's probably some technical term, but that seems to capture the idea |
| 03:02.30 | summatusmentis | like what they did in the matrix |
| 03:02.47 | ojwb | "bullet time" |
| 03:02.51 | summatusmentis | yeah |
| 03:03.00 | Landon | except... not |
| 03:03.10 | caden | hammer time? |
| 03:03.10 | summatusmentis | so a stationary object |
| 03:03.12 | ojwb | though that's lots of cameras not moving rather than one moving |
| 03:03.14 | summatusmentis | vs. one moving |
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| 03:05.15 | summatusmentis | Landon: you mean a 360 degree circle rotation? |
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| 03:06.27 | Landon | any degree |
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| 03:06.58 | summatusmentis | google seems to imply 'circle rotation' is the term :) |
| 03:08.17 | caden | http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OrbitalShot |
| 03:08.38 | caden | i think ojwb was on the money |
| 03:09.10 | summatusmentis | BarryCarlyon: what kind of eee? |
| 03:10.01 | ruturaj | once deadline of submission is over, there can be no change at all to the application? |
| 03:10.16 | summatusmentis | only in response to comments made to it |
| 03:10.26 | ruturaj | (i dont know how i missed it) or can comments from mentors give tokens to change it |
| 03:10.33 | summatusmentis | yes, they can |
| 03:10.43 | ruturaj | ya :) thank god.. |
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| 03:12.32 | ruturaj | this happened when i applied last time.. |
| 03:13.01 | ruturaj | if 4 mentors make comments...i still have only one change left, after all 4 have made a comment..right? |
| 03:13.14 | summatusmentis | I don't know |
| 03:14.34 | gpolo | I think they don't accumulate, yeh |
| 03:15.33 | ojwb | summatusmentis: hmm, that wasn't what I understood lh to mean |
| 03:15.47 | NicDumZ | I must have missed the modifications limit part |
| 03:15.49 | summatusmentis | ojwb: what? |
| 03:16.01 | ojwb | thought she was saying that no changes could be made to the app text, but comments could be made by mentors and student |
| 03:16.11 | ojwb | but you may be right |
| 03:16.19 | newt | i've changed one of my apps |
| 03:16.29 | ojwb | this is after april 3rd |
| 03:16.32 | newt | oh |
| 03:16.38 | ojwb | you can edit it all you like now |
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| 03:16.40 | newt | ^_^;; |
| 03:17.13 | caden | if you subscribe to updates, will you be notified by email when comments are made? |
| 03:17.18 | summatusmentis | ojwb: oh, that's a possibility |
| 03:17.20 | caden | on an app? |
| 03:17.23 | ojwb | caden: I believe so |
| 03:17.39 | ojwb | last year any change to the application needed to be in response to a comment |
| 03:17.44 | ojwb | at any point |
| 03:17.54 | ashishpaliwal | one doubt....If I have received some review on my application then should I edit my application accordingly ?? |
| 03:18.09 | ojwb | well, unless you disagree |
| 03:18.14 | ojwb | in which case, I'd discuss it |
| 03:18.39 | newt | it's really up to you, but i'd assume that the people leaving feedback are the people deciding whether or not you get the spot <_< |
| 03:19.18 | ojwb | if I left feedback suggesting changes, and had no response to that, I'd take that as a negative |
| 03:19.32 | ojwb | it's hard to mentor someone who is unresponsive to feedback |
| 03:19.49 | ojwb | and I'm committing to spending 3 months giving them feedback |
| 03:20.01 | Landon | hates making timelines |
| 03:20.13 | summatusmentis | Landon: if you understand the problem space, it's less hard |
| 03:20.14 | Landon | I'm always way ahead or way behind :p |
| 03:20.21 | ojwb | it's not much fun reading them and deciding if they're sane |
| 03:20.23 | ashishpaliwal | what if response was from the mentor himself and was positive and he suggested some change in timeline...so should I change my timeline accordingly and update the appplication ?? |
| 03:20.44 | ojwb | if you agree with him or her |
| 03:21.59 | ashishpaliwal | assuming I do |
| 03:22.09 | ojwb | they're likely to know the code you're working with and the problem area much better than you after all |
| 03:22.14 | ojwb | yeah, I would then |
| 03:22.21 | ojwb | why wouldn't you? |
| 03:22.49 | ojwb | feels he's missing some point here |
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| 03:25.40 | ashishpaliwal | oks...I am doing that only...I was just thinking that then it becomes quite obvious that what I have written is just taken from the review comment |
| 03:25.54 | ashishpaliwal | thanks for the advice |
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| 03:26.01 | ojwb | I think that's expected |
| 03:26.14 | ojwb | depending what the comment is, you might want to expand on it |
| 03:26.21 | ojwb | it's hard to talk in general terms |
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| 03:26.50 | ojwb | "allow an extra week for X, and one less for Y" is pretty simple |
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| 03:41.48 | brlcad | I'm sure we're not the only org, but we've thusfar received surprisingly fewer applications this year -- if there are students interested in working on BRL-CAD, please feel free to contact me in private to discuss |
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| 03:48.33 | Gofishus | On the GSoC submission page, the abstract is a 500 word summary of your proposal? |
| 03:48.41 | rwcr | Character. |
| 03:48.53 | rwcr | 500 words would be rather a lot for an abstract. |
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| 03:51.45 | brlcad | Gofishus: yes -- it's what gets published and is visible to the world if you are accepted |
| 03:52.47 | ojwb | brlcad: I think it's the same for most orgs |
| 03:53.00 | brlcad | most but not all |
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| 03:53.21 | brlcad | another org I manage is doing fine with a lot of submissions |
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| 03:53.23 | ojwb | so far we've had fewer applications which we'd want to accept than we mentored last year |
| 03:53.35 | brlcad | an org that received nearly the same count as brl-cad last year |
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| 03:54.10 | ojwb | we're getting better quality overall I think, but not hugely so |
| 03:54.11 | caden | multiple orgs? what's the other org? |
| 03:54.20 | brlcad | I know we'll still end up with too many applications just from the ones that are being discussed but aren't posted yet |
| 03:54.34 | brlcad | caden: BZFlag |
| 03:55.22 | brlcad | so I'm not really worried, but they've not posted them yet -- so in the meantime it's fair game for a student to step up and impress ;) |
| 03:55.23 | caden | googles BZFlag |
| 03:55.30 | caden | nice |
| 03:55.31 | ojwb | last year we were limited by mentors - we had another suitable proposal, though I don't know if we'd have got a slot for it |
| 03:55.57 | brlcad | is surprised caden hasn't heard of bzflag |
| 03:56.13 | dberkholz | some kind of tank game, isn't it? |
| 03:56.18 | dberkholz | i don't really play games anymore |
| 03:56.25 | caden | i don't game much anymore |
| 03:56.26 | brlcad | been around for almost 15 years :) |
| 03:56.31 | ojwb | isn't that an assembler instruction? |
| 03:56.35 | ojwb | branch if zero flag? |
| 03:56.36 | dberkholz | even when i did, it was all consoles |
| 03:56.53 | brlcad | it's more like a fork bomb |
| 03:57.04 | ojwb | hmm, I detect a tank theme to brlcad's projects |
| 03:57.21 | caden | ojwb: heh heh |
| 03:57.47 | brlcad | :) |
| 03:58.37 | brlcad | tanks are pretty impressive beasts |
| 03:58.53 | ojwb | lh: is it no application text updates *at all* after april 3rd? or only in response to mentor comments? |
| 03:59.00 | caden | ojwb: you are right it is a flag used in assembly too (http://www.google.com/search?q=branch+zero+flag+bz&btnG=Search) |
| 03:59.11 | brlcad | not much of anything on the planet conveys safety and security like an up-armored m1a2 |
| 03:59.37 | ojwb | reveals his age |
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| 04:03.05 | Landon | gotta say, this years editor is annoying in opera :P |
| 04:03.10 | Landon | I can't seem to paste right |
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| 04:04.16 | brlcad | Landon: I've had problems with paste too.. think the widget is buggy accepting marked up rich pastes but not having the proper means to then edit what was pasted |
| 04:04.37 | Landon | doesn't want to retype all this :( |
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| 04:04.49 | caden | i did my whole application in Kompozer, and when i pasted the HTML into the HTML editor it removed allt he formatting |
| 04:05.20 | caden | i pasted HTML source into HTML source |
| 04:05.33 | r0b0 | if i'm graduating this may can i still be a part of the google summer of code project? |
| 04:05.45 | caden | yes |
| 04:05.49 | caden | yes, you can |
| 04:05.52 | Landon | will you be enrolled in a college by next fall? |
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| 04:05.59 | r0b0 | no |
| 04:05.59 | caden | there is a certain day and you have to be a student on that day |
| 04:06.06 | Landon | !faq |
| 04:06.06 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
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| 04:06.34 | Landon | oh |
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| 04:06.37 | Landon | as of april 20 |
| 04:06.50 | caden | "As long as you are enrolled in a college or university program as of April 20, 2009, you are eligible to participate in the program." |
| 04:06.51 | r0b0 | I have been accepted in to an accredited post-secondary school program, but have not yet begun attending. Can I still take part in the program? |
| 04:06.52 | r0b0 | As long as you are enrolled in a college or university program as of April 20, 2009, you are eligible to participate in the program. |
| 04:06.54 | caden | yeah what he said |
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| 04:07.44 | caden | the next question in the faq says you can participate even if you graduate |
| 04:07.56 | caden | as long as you're a student on April 20 |
| 04:08.22 | r0b0 | how many applications are accepted out of all the applicants that submit a proposal? |
| 04:08.39 | pcmattman | 1,000 this year |
| 04:08.41 | rwcr | Last year there were 7000 applications from 3000 students for 1125 slots. |
| 04:08.48 | rwcr | This year there are 1000 slots. |
| 04:09.04 | rwcr | Supposedly application numbers are down, though it's too early to really tell. |
| 04:09.04 | caden | it would be geekier if there were 1024 |
| 04:09.22 | r0b0 | why do applicants submit more than once? |
| 04:09.27 | ashishpaliwal | 1024 seriously geek |
| 04:09.32 | rwcr | r0b0: Maybe they have more than one project they'd be happy doing. |
| 04:09.32 | caden | they submit to multiple projects |
| 04:09.45 | r0b0 | oh ok |
| 04:09.46 | Fou_Fou | it increases their chances of possibly getting an acceptance |
| 04:09.46 | ashishpaliwal | because u might like 2 projects |
| 04:10.03 | Fou_Fou | I think I read somewhere that you could only be accepted for one project |
| 04:10.03 | r0b0 | have you guys ever been a part of the gsoc program? |
| 04:10.09 | rwcr | Fou_Fou: That is true. |
| 04:10.30 | rwcr | If you're accepted to multiple, maybe you'll get to decide, maybe other factors will decide for you. |
| 04:10.48 | r0b0 | have any of you guys actually participated in gsoc? |
| 04:11.06 | rwcr | I personally haven't, but many in this channel have. |
| 04:11.06 | Landon | I did, last year |
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| 04:11.24 | r0b0 | landon you have? |
| 04:11.27 | r0b0 | how was it? |
| 04:11.30 | r0b0 | what was your project? |
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| 04:11.38 | r0b0 | what was the experience like |
| 04:11.52 | caden | stares at Landon in rapt fascination |
| 04:11.52 | r0b0 | did you complete the project? |
| 04:12.46 | caden | i think he did, Landon is an overachiever |
| 04:12.49 | caden | :) |
| 04:12.56 | Landon | oh, whoops, I go away for a second! |
| 04:13.10 | Landon | r0b0: my project was relatively easy, I'm definitely looking for something meatier this year |
| 04:13.13 | caden | not allowed! |
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| 04:13.25 | Landon | my project _still_ need's a bit of touchup |
| 04:13.35 | Landon | but it's at least 90% of the way to being a finished product imo |
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| 04:13.49 | caden | there's no such thing as a finished software project (imo) only a released one |
| 04:13.55 | Landon | right right :) |
| 04:14.00 | Landon | 90% of the way to 1.0 then |
| 04:14.01 | Landon | :P |
| 04:14.18 | Landon | was nice not having to deal with an existing codebase much if at all |
| 04:14.21 | Landon | heh |
| 04:19.14 | dberkholz | Landon: http://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html =) |
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| 04:20.33 | caden | dberkholz: true, that. |
| 04:21.02 | Landon | dberkholz: :P |
| 04:21.21 | Landon | that's great |
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| 04:23.18 | caden | well at least rewriting something makes sure you really understand what you're doing |
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| 04:23.38 | Landon | and then it makes someone else unfamiliar :p |
| 04:23.39 | caden | i think people that don't document their code are sort of asking for it to be rewritten |
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| 04:24.32 | caden | or, you can be the maintainer of that code... _FOREVER_ |
| 04:24.47 | Landon | for. ev. ER |
| 04:24.57 | caden | cues dramatic music |
| 04:25.26 | Landon | so many half empty water bottles |
| 04:25.31 | Landon | I could take out a whole alien invasion |
| 04:25.33 | Landon | </signs> |
| 04:25.44 | hub | or just learn to read code |
| 04:25.59 | Landon | code is easy to read, motivation behind it is hard |
| 04:26.00 | caden | well written code is its own documentation |
| 04:26.33 | dberkholz | i heard someone say once that you should write code as if you'll be reading it yourself 5 years later after a few beers, and you need to fix a bug in the next hour |
| 04:26.39 | caden | yeah motivation is important... there's no way to decipher >why< someone did something |
| 04:26.50 | caden | dberkholz: i would concur with that |
| 04:26.59 | r0b0 | well documented code is readable code |
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| 04:27.43 | Landon | caden: counts doubly so to document motivation in assembly |
| 04:28.06 | Landon | as my teacher doesn't quite have figured out :P |
| 04:28.46 | r0b0 | hasn't quite yet figured it out |
| 04:28.46 | hub | dberkholz: did that person every write code? |
| 04:29.00 | r0b0 | ever write code |
| 04:29.19 | dberkholz | hub: lots of it, not sure how much of it happened sober. |
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| 04:29.43 | Landon | so the trick is to do it after a few beers to make sure you can read it later? :p |
| 04:29.55 | caden | HA |
| 04:30.33 | Fou_Fou | haha |
| 04:32.13 | dberkholz | state-dependent memory |
| 04:32.19 | dberkholz | that's real psychology |
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| 04:32.59 | Landon | beer: unlocking the secrets of the world |
| 04:33.38 | caden | the solution to, and cause of most of life's problems |
| 04:35.08 | caden | i wonder what google will do for april fool's day this year |
| 04:35.25 | brlcad | cancel gsoc |
| 04:35.31 | caden | d'oh! |
| 04:36.02 | brlcad | or maybe that is the punchline.. the program wasn't continued, joke is on us |
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| 04:36.38 | caden | at this point even if i don't get accepted i've learned about a lot of projects i would not have otherwise known aobut |
| 04:36.47 | caden | like brl-cad and bzflag :) |
| 04:37.10 | brlcad | :) |
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| 04:41.06 | caden | if you're a student and you need to work this summer (like, to eat) and you don't get into gsoc, are there comparable opportunities? |
| 04:41.18 | r0b0 | no |
| 04:41.20 | caden | hah |
| 04:41.44 | dberkholz | hmm |
| 04:41.49 | caden | i know some os projects have paid employees but i wonder if any have summer internships |
| 04:41.53 | Fou_Fou | not so much, and personally I would rather not be a waitress again |
| 04:41.54 | dberkholz | x.org offers a vacation of code to people who want to do something similar |
| 04:42.00 | dberkholz | we're also in gsoc |
| 04:42.06 | dberkholz | but there aren't always enough spots |
| 04:42.23 | dberkholz | and we can run it anytime, given sufficiently good and interested people |
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| 04:42.47 | caden | googles this 'vacation of code' |
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| 04:43.01 | Fou_Fou | Vacation of Code sounds intriguing. |
| 04:43.09 | r0b0 | foofie |
| 04:43.28 | dberkholz | it's basically an opportunity for people we'd like to take in gsoc but didn't get slots for, or for whom the timing didn't work out |
| 04:43.59 | ojwb | someone mentioned this earlier: http://ocaml.janestreet.com/?q=node/57 |
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| 04:44.04 | ojwb | not heard of it before |
| 04:44.20 | ojwb | there certainly are other possibilities anyway |
| 04:44.22 | dberkholz | we funded 3 projects in 2007 |
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| 04:46.02 | r0b0 | foofooofoofie |
| 04:46.07 | ojwb | is wondering when mcdonalds will launch "summer of burgers" which funds students to spend the summer working in a fast food outlet rather than slaving away writing code |
| 04:46.09 | caden | does X now mostly deal in device drivers? |
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| 04:46.19 | caden | ojwb they already have that |
| 04:46.29 | hub | ojwb: in some coutries they even get healthcare. you know |
| 04:46.30 | caden | you can ask for the app at your local mcdonalds |
| 04:46.32 | ojwb | well, it would be mostly a marketting spin |
| 04:46.34 | hub | and unemployement insurance |
| 04:46.51 | Fou_Fou | haha, I doubt sumer wages at mcdonalds could compare to GSoC |
| 04:46.58 | ojwb | in some countries you just get healthcare anyway! |
| 04:47.12 | hub | Fou_Fou: it depends |
| 04:47.23 | Fou_Fou | True, but if you're crew? |
| 04:47.51 | ojwb | is there a US min wage? |
| 04:48.02 | Fou_Fou | Plus the one McDonalds I've worked at for a summer when I was younger was well known for not letting people work more than 20 hours a week |
| 04:48.08 | Upthorn | $6.25/hr is the US minimum wage |
| 04:48.17 | Upthorn | but there's also state minimum wages which can be higher |
| 04:48.38 | r0b0 | http://www.google.com/intl/en/landing/cadie/index.html |
| 04:48.51 | r0b0 | the new april fools |
| 04:48.56 | caden | nice |
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| 04:49.19 | caden | hey it's named after me kind of |
| 04:49.37 | ojwb | so yeah, even if you work hard and spend a lot of time on the app, you're going to do better than $6.25/hr |
| 04:49.47 | hub | how many weeks is SoC? |
| 04:49.57 | ojwb | the coding period is about 12 |
| 04:50.01 | hub | CAD 9.50 is the minimum wage |
| 04:50.25 | hub | so I'am at 4560CAD |
| 04:50.49 | hub | wich is roughly 3600USD |
| 04:51.01 | r0b0 | what a lame april fools |
| 04:51.36 | hub | r0b0: I get 404 |
| 04:51.39 | ojwb | hmm, i get "page not found" |
| 04:51.46 | hub | as ojwb |
| 04:52.03 | r0b0 | holy cow that panda scared the crap out of me |
| 04:52.07 | r0b0 | they posted some panda web page |
| 04:52.14 | r0b0 | and a video of it sneezing |
| 04:52.51 | r0b0 | http://cadiesingularity.blogspot.com/ |
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| 04:53.54 | caden | i actually find this a little sexist, but i guess they could have just as easily made it a gamerboy entity |
| 04:54.43 | r0b0 | where is the humor in this |
| 04:54.46 | ojwb | thinks the UN should step in |
| 04:55.07 | caden | ojwb: someone should |
| 04:55.16 | ojwb | and declare an international moratorium on lame april fool jokes on the web |
| 04:55.27 | ojwb | website shouldn't feel them have to do something |
| 04:55.53 | ojwb | it's probably the worst danger humanity faces right now |
| 04:56.24 | r0b0 | haha |
| 04:56.28 | r0b0 | yea lame april fools jokes |
| 04:56.48 | r0b0 | wasted my minute of my life |
| 04:56.56 | caden | yes... it's all fun and games until someone posts a page about pandas |
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| 04:59.01 | jtac | !next |
| 04:59.01 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
| 04:59.35 | johnnyk | Hey everybody, I have a pretty basic question about GSOC... |
| 05:00.20 | johnnyk | In order to participate in GSOC, I need to be the one to come up with the idea, right? It's not a program where I find a project to sign onto, right? |
| 05:00.46 | caden | au contraire johnnyk, lots of organizations have ideas you can sign on to |
| 05:00.51 | johnnyk | really? |
| 05:00.54 | caden | you can also come up with your own idea |
| 05:01.01 | johnnyk | I must have been confused |
| 05:01.09 | caden | yes! find the org, and most of them have an "ideas list" |
| 05:01.21 | caden | and you can express interest in one of the ideas |
| 05:01.28 | johnnyk | Ahh I see. So how would I apply to one of those? |
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| 05:01.48 | caden | did you read the faq yet? you should probably start there |
| 05:01.49 | caden | !faq |
| 05:01.49 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 05:01.54 | ojwb | also, read the "advice for students" |
| 05:01.56 | ojwb | !advice |
| 05:01.57 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
| 05:02.20 | ojwb | that links to orgs by language and category |
| 05:02.28 | johnnyk | yeah I was taking a look at the FAQ, didn't get all the way through |
| 05:03.04 | johnnyk | wow thats great to know |
| 05:03.14 | johnnyk | I'm not all that creative, I was worried there for a second... :-P |
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| 05:06.13 | johnnyk | Well thanks for the information everyb |
| 05:06.15 | johnnyk | ody |
| 05:06.31 | johnnyk | I'm off for now |
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| 05:39.24 | xiaohui | hi |
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| 05:43.55 | nap_ster | doesn nmap have an irc channel?? |
| 05:44.14 | nap_ster | for gsoc queries |
| 05:44.27 | ojwb | do they list one in their org profile? |
| 05:44.46 | ojwb | if so, that's it; if not, probably they don't |
| 05:44.57 | pi31415926535 | nap_ster: ask at #umit |
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| 06:07.20 | ajuonline | mornin |
| 06:08.19 | atulagrwl | ajuonline, good morning. :) |
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| 06:13.36 | ajuonline | there a blog post for "code for cotton" |
| 06:13.39 | ajuonline | cant find it :/ |
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| 06:41.25 | dukeleto | howdy |
| 06:41.29 | casinaroyale | !timeline |
| 06:41.29 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 07:11.21 | r0bby | http://kotaku.com/5192983/the-cruelest-april-fools-joke-in-japan |
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| 07:19.47 | thebolt | Hi |
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| 07:25.05 | kblin | hi thebolt |
| 07:25.17 | kblin | thebolt: how was the vacation? :) |
| 07:25.23 | thebolt | Still on-going |
| 07:25.25 | thebolt | but its nice |
| 07:25.47 | thebolt | just came back after 20 minuteas at 60 meter.. (and then 50min+ to get up again..) |
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| 07:26.22 | kblin | that's why diving at that depth is something I usually avoid |
| 07:26.22 | thebolt | "just" (about an hour ago) |
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| 07:26.51 | thebolt | well, the course is to certify to 60 meter, so you should do at least one dive close to it.. |
| 07:27.19 | thebolt | tomorrow is the last dive and then we'll "only" go for 52 (there is a nicer swim-through at 52) |
| 07:27.30 | casinaroyale | is there any link where I can find successful gsoc applications |
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| 07:27.45 | casinaroyale | I have seen drupal's site, they have one |
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| 07:29.32 | icez | casinaroyale, I've only seen an application from last year... http://luckycala.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/gsoc.pdf |
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| 07:30.34 | kblin | thebolt: there's a certification for 60 meter dives? |
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| 07:31.30 | casinaroyale | icez: thank you |
| 07:31.41 | kblin | thebolt: I just left a comment on your proposal, btw, if you're bored and willing to look at that :) |
| 07:31.50 | casinaroyale | guys, it would be great if you could point me to few more |
| 07:32.17 | thebolt | kblin: sure.. you can get certified for any depth basically := |
| 07:32.40 | kblin | casinaroyale: I think I have my old proposals online somewhere, but I'm not sure how useful that'd be for you.. they were significantly less polished than what we require these days |
| 07:32.42 | thebolt | kblin: right now i am doing "normoxic trimix".. so the limit is O2 toxicity (ie, 60 meter limit) |
| 07:33.02 | kblin | hmm |
| 07:33.20 | thebolt | kblin: you can do hypoxic trimix.. go below 20% O2 and go as deep as you like |
| 07:33.31 | pmangg__ | is there a way to submit the application in pdf? |
| 07:33.52 | kblin | my table's at my jacket in my parent's place, but 50 minutes decompression at 60m sounds like a pretty long time for trimix... |
| 07:34.04 | kblin | not that I've ever tried someting other than compressed air so far |
| 07:34.22 | kblin | pmangg__: nope |
| 07:34.33 | pmangg__ | ok |
| 07:34.35 | thebolt | kblin: nah.. if you decompressed on the trimix it would take closer to two hours.. |
| 07:34.50 | thebolt | kblin: but yea, the "active" decompression time for that dive was 30 minutes |
| 07:35.02 | thebolt | kblin: using 50% from 21 meter and 100% from 6 |
| 07:35.12 | casinaroyale | kblin: Is there any good proposal you have seen anywhere? |
| 07:35.19 | thebolt | kblin: bnut then you have ascent-time, switch-time, cleanup-time etc.. |
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| 07:37.22 | kblin | casinaroyale: I haven't looked for any |
| 07:37.36 | thebolt | kblin: btw, saw the comment.. will look into it later (right now i am running out of battery and i need to get into town and withdraw some money..) |
| 07:37.46 | kblin | as a mentor, proposals tend to turn up in my webapp |
| 07:37.51 | kblin | thebolt: sure, no hurry |
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| 07:40.09 | savrus | hi |
| 07:41.17 | savrus | is it possible to submit more than one proposal? |
| 07:41.31 | Barthezz | yep |
| 07:41.36 | icez | FAQ says up to 20 |
| 07:42.03 | savrus | and then the final one will be chosen by google and mentors? |
| 07:42.03 | Barthezz | but the quality is better then quantity |
| 07:42.11 | savrus | of couse )) |
| 07:42.22 | savrus | i men 2-3, not 20 |
| 07:42.26 | savrus | *mean |
| 07:42.49 | casinaroyale | savrus: there is a sed script |
| 07:43.28 | Barthezz | yep, in case of any problems there will be a meeting on #gsoc to decide, which proposal will be submitted |
| 07:43.48 | casinaroyale | s/script/bot |
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| 07:55.00 | ojwb | it isn't on #gsoc |
| 07:55.03 | ojwb | or wasn't last year |
| 07:55.19 | ojwb | but yes, there's a big IRC meeting with a rep from each org |
| 07:55.31 | Barthezz | really? the FAQ said so |
| 07:55.45 | Barthezz | i'll try to find it |
| 07:55.50 | Catfish_Man | it's in a side channel |
| 07:55.56 | werdna | when? |
| 07:56.19 | ojwb | shortly before results are announced |
| 07:56.35 | ojwb | but students don't get to attend unless things have changed |
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| 07:57.06 | ojwb | fails to see the FAQ saying the channel the meeting is held on |
| 07:57.41 | kblin | I hope not, it's very fast-scrolling as it is, without students also talking |
| 07:58.00 | xara | i want information abt phpMyAdmin project in gsoc , could any one help abt it |
| 07:58.48 | ojwb | thinks the idea is to keep the number of people involved as small as possible |
| 07:59.03 | ojwb | luckily it was the middle of the night for me, so some other sucker had to go for us |
| 07:59.23 | kblin | hehe |
| 07:59.27 | ojwb | xara: see below |
| 07:59.28 | ojwb | !anyone |
| 07:59.28 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
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| 08:00.36 | ojwb | it's possible that having the students involved around might inhibit open discussion too I guess |
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| 08:02.23 | werdna | ojwb: I'm a mentor, but my org is almost all in berlin for a converence |
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| 08:03.42 | xara | well i have gone to that web site but couldnt know where the corresponding mentor might be found |
| 08:04.33 | ojwb | werdna: the date and channel should be announced on the mentor's list |
| 08:04.39 | ojwb | but it won't be for a while yet |
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| 08:04.53 | werdna | fair enough |
| 08:05.23 | ojwb | if nobody from your org can attend, sending a note to lh with any "proxy votes" is probably your best bet |
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| 08:12.01 | xara | if there is a mentor here for phpMyAdmin , plz reply |
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| 08:13.34 | z3r0 | xara: doesn't look like it |
| 08:13.45 | z3r0 | xara: try the mailing list/forum for the project |
| 08:14.04 | xara | thanks |
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| 08:27.41 | aghisla | !faq |
| 08:27.41 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 08:28.07 | aghisla | hello all |
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| 08:40.35 | lavkesh | Hi! is any body here form TCl community, Mentors ?? |
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| 08:43.30 | thiago | !anyone |
| 08:43.30 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
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| 08:53.45 | harlan | So do I need to "score and review" proposals or do they just need to be in my queue? |
| 08:54.49 | ojwb | harlan: it's good to review them now so students get a chance to update them in response to your comments |
| 08:54.56 | ojwb | they won't be able to after 3rd it seems |
| 08:55.51 | harlan | OK, is an initial "Thanks for your submission" all I need, or do I also have to give it a nonzero score? |
| 08:56.01 | harlan | wants to fall asleep soon |
| 08:56.09 | ojwb | you don't need to do anything |
| 08:56.19 | ojwb | well, for a while |
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| 08:56.44 | ojwb | but apparently this year the applications will be fixed after the deadline, but comments will still be possible |
| 08:57.09 | harlan | ok, thanks! Now to see if I can keep firefox up long enough for me to write someting. |
| 08:57.10 | ojwb | so if you say "the timeline needs more detail" now, they can fix it |
| 08:57.17 | casinaroyale | ojwb: my mentor told me, he'll talk to me after the deadline and I'll still be able to edit my proposal then |
| 08:57.21 | ojwb | if you wait a few days, they can't |
| 08:57.35 | ojwb | casinaroyale: he's probably wrong - this is what lh said |
| 08:57.50 | ojwb | unless I misunderstoof |
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| 08:58.17 | ojwb | this is a change from last year - then it could be changed, but only ever in response to a mentor comment (even before the deadline) |
| 08:58.49 | casinaroyale | ojwb: I asked him for his ideas on my proposal and this what he told me |
| 08:59.01 | ojwb | guesses you can "work around" it by modifying an external copy |
| 08:59.05 | casinaroyale | may be he meant he would ask me to improve the proposal offline |
| 08:59.14 | ojwb | casinaroyale: well, I'd check he knows about the change |
| 08:59.32 | casinaroyale | was there any special change? |
| 08:59.36 | ojwb | it doesn't seem to be widely publicised, or else I'm not reading the right places in enough detail |
| 08:59.43 | ojwb | it's a whole new piece of software this year |
| 09:00.49 | ojwb | it seems less than ideal if the web app proposals aren't always the final versions, but I can see it's good to put off people submitting token proposals just to make the deadline |
| 09:02.04 | casinaroyale | I'll check from my mentor then, and let him know that I came to know that I would not be able to edit my proposal after the deadline |
| 09:02.31 | ojwb | here's what lh said: |
| 09:02.35 | ojwb | "<lh!n=lhawthor@nat/google/x-4ee3ca9a13496ce2> no edits post deadline, comments are enabled." |
| 09:03.25 | ojwb | in response to: |
| 09:03.29 | ojwb | "<chx!n=chx@drupal.org/user/9446/view> lh: once the student proposal deadline passed (this week) will students be able to edit their proposals?" |
| 09:04.31 | casinaroyale | ojwb: where are you reading this? |
| 09:04.43 | ojwb | my personal log of this channel |
| 09:04.54 | casinaroyale | ok |
| 09:04.58 | ojwb | which is loads easier to grep than the web version |
| 09:05.06 | tynar | hi folks, i am looking for a good software engineering lectures on youtube. do you know some good channels? especially for oop and design patterns |
| 09:05.16 | casinaroyale | ojwb: :) thank you |
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| 09:10.12 | ajuonline | O o O Yo! |
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| 09:22.01 | casinaroyale | ojwb: my mentor replied saying we can finetune offline |
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| 09:27.06 | bertrand_cachet | Hi all, |
| 09:27.27 | Catfish_Man | hi bertrand |
| 09:28.03 | bertrand_cachet | question about melange: are students allowed to rewrite completely a proposal (even the title) |
| 09:28.07 | bertrand_cachet | ? |
| 09:28.19 | Catfish_Man | hmmm. I don't know |
| 09:28.24 | Catfish_Man | why not just submit another one? |
| 09:28.28 | Ivanovic | good question... |
| 09:28.48 | ojwb | as an org admin/mentor, I'd be a bit surprised to see someone do that |
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| 09:28.53 | bertrand_cachet | because a proposal we receive that was about antivirus, become a package manager proposal |
| 09:29.10 | Catfish_Man | I would ask the student then |
| 09:29.11 | ojwb | ah, you're in that situation |
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| 09:29.24 | Catfish_Man | basically "wtf are you doing?" |
| 09:29.31 | Catfish_Man | except probably more politely ;) |
| 09:29.35 | bertrand_cachet | so all the notes/ranks we add to the previous proposal are not related to the content of the proposal now |
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| 09:29.58 | bertrand_cachet | ok |
| 09:30.11 | Catfish_Man | also maybe ping lh for the official take on what to do |
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| 09:30.21 | bertrand_cachet | i have sent email to student in order to know what happened |
| 09:30.31 | kblin | bertrand_cachet: also a good reason to not start ranking before the deadline |
| 09:30.46 | bertrand_cachet | no ranking |
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| 09:30.52 | bertrand_cachet | just take some notes |
| 09:30.58 | bertrand_cachet | in private and in public |
| 09:31.07 | bertrand_cachet | to ask student to rewrite few things |
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| 09:31.12 | bertrand_cachet | for example |
| 09:31.13 | ojwb | are both on topic for you? |
| 09:31.29 | bertrand_cachet | ojwb: sorry ? |
| 09:31.34 | ojwb | both proposals? |
| 09:32.36 | bertrand_cachet | one proposal which was about antivirus becomes a proposal about package manager |
| 09:32.55 | bertrand_cachet | we only have one proposal |
| 09:33.28 | bertrand_cachet | but all the reviews we attached to this proposal are still attached to it |
| 09:33.30 | kblin | I guess the question was "was the antivirus proposal on topic, and is the package manager proposal not" |
| 09:33.35 | kblin | s/not/now/ |
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| 09:33.59 | ojwb | yeah - are both actually proposals aimed at your org? |
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| 09:34.15 | ojwb | wondered if perhaps they'd pasted an update to the wrong proposal, meant for another org |
| 09:34.15 | bertrand_cachet | both are ok, we are a kind of umbrella org, we develop open source app for windows |
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| 09:34.34 | bertrand_cachet | both proposals are on topic |
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| 09:35.50 | bertrand_cachet | I will make a new review to ask mentors not to notice reviews we have made so far on this proposal because they target the previous subject |
| 09:36.23 | bertrand_cachet | maybe it will better, not to be able to change title of a proposal |
| 09:36.29 | bertrand_cachet | oh no |
| 09:36.41 | bertrand_cachet | sometimes it will be helpful to be able to do so |
| 09:37.08 | bertrand_cachet | i will figure out this problem with mentors and the student |
| 09:37.17 | bertrand_cachet | thanks for the discussion |
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| 09:40.48 | ojwb | mostly I think people need to act sanely |
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| 09:42.32 | bertrand_cachet | I don't understand why he choose to rewrite it, instead of deleting it and adding a new on |
| 09:42.33 | bertrand_cachet | one |
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| 09:59.28 | spectie | !timeline |
| 09:59.29 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 10:03.35 | bertrand_cachet | this socinfo bot is great, how can I setup the same ? Which lib do you use ? I try to develop one with phenny (irc bot lib for python) but can't manage to make it log what happen on our channel :-( |
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| 10:05.40 | MaNI | its a supybot |
| 10:06.10 | bertrand_cachet | will have a look to this |
| 10:06.15 | bertrand_cachet | thanks MaNI |
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| 10:19.03 | MatthewWilkes | hehe GMail Autopilot - awesome |
| 10:21.46 | tynar | MatthewWilkes: what's that? |
| 10:21.56 | MatthewWilkes | http://mail.google.com/mail/help/autopilot/index.html |
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| 10:22.15 | tynar | smells, autoresponder :P |
| 10:22.34 | MatthewWilkes | smells? |
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| 10:23.15 | ojwb | MatthewWilkes: I'm sure I've emailed customer support desks using that |
| 10:23.24 | tynar | 1.april jokes? |
| 10:23.46 | ojwb | it's possible... |
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| 10:23.57 | ojwb | but actually quite a funny one |
| 10:24.13 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: Possible? The first example is accepting a 419⦠|
| 10:24.16 | ankitg | heh ... |
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| 10:24.40 | ojwb | sighs |
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| 10:24.56 | hkpco | hello |
| 10:25.11 | ojwb | MatthewWilkes: When you read anything I say, just imagine a sarcastic tone of voice - it'll save time |
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| 10:25.57 | Giant-Sheep | wasn't gmail originally announced on 1st of april? I recall everyone was all "lol, yeah right, 1gb of storage space and it's gonna be free" |
| 10:27.05 | tynar | hey how can I activate autopilot? |
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| 10:33.02 | ojwb | tynar: click on "Terms" at the bottom |
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| 10:33.58 | tynar | ojwb: :D |
| 10:34.00 | tynar | funny |
| 10:35.52 | kevinsjh | 8-) |
| 10:37.11 | ankitg | autopilot hah ... check out CADIE http://www.google.com/intl/en_us/landing/cadie/ ... the homepage kills! |
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| 10:41.59 | ankitg | lol ... the initial page feelss so real ... and then Bam! The pandas and the music ... |
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| 10:42.55 | macduyhai | CADIE has probably been observing yahoo blogs.. |
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| 10:43.54 | MatthewWilkes | OMG PONIES!!!! |
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| 10:44.18 | ankitg | lol |
| 10:44.42 | ankitg | autopilot pew pew pew ... CADIE++ ... lol ... |
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| 10:46.00 | casinaroyale | ankitg: what pandas? you talking about the youtube page? |
| 10:46.21 | ankitg | check the homepage |
| 10:46.26 | rszulgo | hey, I have a question: In a student proposal there are 2 text areas: an abstract and a content. In the content is a template that a student should use to write an abstract ? |
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| 10:47.12 | brlcad | ponies?? I can haz?? |
| 10:47.55 | Ivanovic | rszulgo: no |
| 10:48.06 | julianb | ow.. cadie |
| 10:48.12 | Ivanovic | rszulgo: the abstract is a short text you should write for other users browsing your page |
| 10:48.13 | apaliwal | rszulgo: no |
| 10:48.23 | Ivanovic | basically a <=500 char text about "what is your proposal" |
| 10:48.27 | apaliwal | abstract has a limit of 500 chars too |
| 10:48.46 | Ivanovic | the template is there for the long version and the mentoring orgs want those questions answered in the full version |
| 10:49.06 | Ivanovic | mainly something about your qualification and about yourself plus the project you want to work on |
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| 10:50.06 | apaliwal | and if possible the timeline |
| 10:50.21 | Ivanovic | apaliwal: for me this is part of the project and the details about it |
| 10:50.23 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 10:50.35 | Ivanovic | rszulgo: in general: go to the org and talk to them, too |
| 10:50.51 | Ivanovic | if they have an irc chan: join it and talk to them about your proposal and your ideas |
| 10:51.13 | Ivanovic | most orgs will probably favor students they get to know somehow instead of just reading an application text without any further contact |
| 10:51.18 | rszulgo | I've already did :) |
| 10:51.30 | Ivanovic | perfect |
| 10:52.20 | rszulgo | 2 weeks ago. It's time to send my proposal, now and it's no so intuitive for me :) |
| 10:52.46 | Ivanovic | like i said: abstract is a short and comprehensive form of your project |
| 10:53.05 | Ivanovic | where the "full version" includes all info about yourself as well as the project including detailed plans and stuff like this |
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| 10:53.30 | Ivanovic | once you have it submitted, ask your org if this is what they intended and they will most likely give you some feedback soon (though it might take some hours ;) ) |
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| 10:55.52 | rszulgo | aha ok thx. I'm a little bit confused but I think I get it. After writing an abstract I should write a full content of my proposal -> answering the questions in the "content" text area. Right ? |
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| 10:59.15 | ojwb | exactly |
| 10:59.22 | ojwb | the title is your project in a line |
| 10:59.29 | ojwb | the abstract is your project in a paragraph |
| 10:59.36 | ojwb | the content is the details |
| 11:00.25 | ojwb | if you've ever read a scientific paper, there's usually a paragraph which sums it up before the paper itself - that's the abstract |
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| 11:04.02 | rszulgo | ojwb: Right. It is! |
| 11:04.02 | rszulgo | thx |
| 11:04.02 | rszulgo | all clear now |
| 11:04.14 | ojwb | cool |
| 11:04.48 | mlankhorst | lh :O |
| 11:05.54 | casinaroyale | ojwb: are we supposed to answer the questions asked by the org exactly that way or write a big paragraph summing it all up? |
| 11:06.21 | casinaroyale | I am talking about the biographical information and my previous projects |
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| 11:07.43 | ojwb | well, I'm probably not your org, but if the structure is sane and you cover the ground, I wouldn't be too bothered |
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| 11:08.41 | mafm | hi |
| 11:08.48 | ojwb | although people who seem to ignore the template sometimes make me suspect they've written a dozen applications and just done minimal cut and paste |
| 11:09.04 | ojwb | usually there are other obvious signs |
| 11:09.18 | mafm | lh: are questions about eligibility allowed, or will I be slashed? :) |
| 11:09.18 | mlankhorst | :) |
| 11:09.24 | LaurieJ | casinaroyale: it might depend on the org. As an org admin, I'm happy to see apps which just answer teh questions, or mix it up in a coherent piece of text |
| 11:09.36 | casinaroyale | ojwb: You seem to be an expert in psychology ;) |
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| 11:10.19 | werdna | mafm: If, as I assume, lh is in google's mountain view offices, it's something like 5am her time |
| 11:10.41 | mlankhorst | werdna: That doesn't mean much :P |
| 11:10.51 | ojwb | casinaroyale: I'm just suspicious... |
| 11:11.02 | casinaroyale | LaurieJ: ok |
| 11:11.25 | werdna | well, office work for techs is usually 10am to 6 or 7 |
| 11:11.58 | casinaroyale | ojwb: my org UMIT has too many questions. I wrote the answers to the qustions. Now, I dont feel like reading it myself. |
| 11:12.19 | mafm | werdna: ok, thanks... I just saw ppl "lh:'ing" so I thought that she could be here :) |
| 11:12.24 | casinaroyale | I mean the answers are fine, the format is too odd to read. |
| 11:12.49 | mlankhorst | werdna: You haven't met lh then :) especially with melange team being in europe |
| 11:13.02 | mlankhorst | in any case if you want to reach her she watches all mailing lists |
| 11:13.13 | mlankhorst | and she has a mail address |
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| 11:13.49 | werdna | mlankhorst: no I haven't :)) |
| 11:15.19 | mafm | mlankhorst: I know, but I'd prefer quick interactivity that IRC provides... I'll wait a few hours then :) |
| 11:15.37 | mlankhorst | latency ftw |
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| 11:17.32 | kblin | mafm: what questions about eligibility anyway? |
| 11:17.48 | mib_8qq6d3y6 | i am unable to update my profile. what to do?? |
| 11:17.57 | kblin | most questions I've seen could be answered by more people than leslie |
| 11:17.57 | mib_8qq6d3y6 | means my proposal |
| 11:19.03 | mib_8qq6d3y6 | it says Must be under 500 characters, it has 1159 characters. above the abstract but my abstract is only 200 words long |
| 11:19.27 | sulabh_m1 | "words" vs "characters" |
| 11:19.35 | casinaroyale | mib_8qq6d3y6: your answer is in your query |
| 11:20.08 | PearlJam | word - one word. 4 characters. |
| 11:20.14 | apaliwal | its 500 char |
| 11:20.17 | apaliwal | not words |
| 11:20.35 | Ivanovic | this thing is meant to be an *abstract*, not a 10 pages paper |
| 11:20.37 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 11:20.47 | kblin | ^5s Ivanovic |
| 11:20.55 | kblin | damn right :) |
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| 11:21.24 | mib_8qq6d3y6 | i said abstract is 200 words long |
| 11:21.35 | ojwb | and 1159 characters |
| 11:21.37 | mib_8qq6d3y6 | 1159 is the length of proposal |
| 11:21.38 | ojwb | 1159 > 500 |
| 11:21.44 | kblin | er |
| 11:21.47 | ojwb | that wasn't what you said |
| 11:22.00 | kblin | so how many characters does your abstract have? |
| 11:22.00 | ojwb | anyway, the number of words is irrelevant |
| 11:22.03 | mib_8qq6d3y6 | i said "it says Must be under 500 characters, it has 1159 characters. above the abstract but my abstract is only 200 words long 16:50sulabh_m1"words" vs "characters"" |
| 11:22.05 | ojwb | it's the number of characters |
| 11:22.27 | ojwb | and 200 words will be > 500 characters, unless the words are only 1 character each |
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| 11:22.41 | kblin | pff |
| 11:22.45 | apaliwal | just shorten you abstract buddy |
| 11:22.55 | ojwb | just delete all the vowels |
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| 11:23.02 | kblin | he's gone |
| 11:23.02 | apaliwal | lolz |
| 11:23.07 | sulabh_m1 | phew |
| 11:23.12 | mib_5uj8hv0a | no |
| 11:23.20 | kblin | and back |
| 11:23.24 | sulabh_m1 | hehe |
| 11:23.25 | kblin | so how many characters does your abstract have? |
| 11:23.31 | apaliwal | ojwb: delete vowels lolz |
| 11:24.00 | kblin | apaliwal: sr, vwls r vrrtd |
| 11:24.18 | mib_5uj8hv0a | ok i get it |
| 11:24.23 | mib_5uj8hv0a | chaers not words |
| 11:24.26 | mib_5uj8hv0a | thanks |
| 11:24.29 | kblin | np |
| 11:24.39 | apaliwal | netime |
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| 11:24.58 | apaliwal | this doubt is raised by many people words vs chars |
| 11:25.21 | kblin | really? |
| 11:25.29 | kblin | that's the first time I've seen it asked here\ |
| 11:26.03 | macduyhai | 500 chars seems enough for an abstract |
| 11:26.22 | ojwb | has seen it mentioned before |
| 11:26.31 | Erant | I thought char != word would be very clear :/ |
| 11:26.32 | sulabh_m1 | last year it was 2500 wasnt it |
| 11:26.35 | ojwb | too |
| 11:26.55 | apaliwal | 2500 !!! and they have brought it down to 500 phew !! |
| 11:27.03 | ojwb | 500 chars is over 6 80 character lines, so it doesn't seem unreasonable |
| 11:27.30 | gpolo | last year I just pasted most of my proposal on the abstract part |
| 11:27.31 | sulabh_m1 | 7500 was limit of rest of the proposal, we dont have a limit this time |
| 11:27.38 | gpolo | it didn't look like a abstract |
| 11:27.57 | schumaml | people, the abstract is there for the mentors and the org admin to get what your proposal is about *at a glance* |
| 11:28.07 | gpolo | yes, this year it makes sense |
| 11:28.26 | schumaml | some of our students still manage to make me read the whole application for this simple task |
| 11:28.44 | schumaml | can you imagine how this may influence my rating? ;) |
| 11:28.50 | gpolo | :) |
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| 11:28.53 | kblin | gpolo: well, in 2007, there was a public and a private part |
| 11:29.07 | gpolo | kblin: yes, the 2500 was the public one no ? |
| 11:29.12 | kblin | yeah |
| 11:29.19 | gpolo | isn't the abstract public this year ? |
| 11:29.24 | sulabh_m1 | it is |
| 11:29.34 | gpolo | so it is the same, except "abstract" makes sense now :) |
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| 11:30.37 | kblin | nods |
| 11:31.33 | BCarlyon|Server | wacks the kettle on |
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| 11:32.13 | kblin | I just looked up my 2007 proposal earlier today and noticed that certainly more than just the abstract is public :) |
| 11:32.46 | gpolo | heh, yeh :) |
| 11:32.50 | kblin | but in the old webapp the "private" part seemed to be for personal details like the bio |
| 11:33.01 | kblin | I like the melange split much better |
| 11:33.16 | gpolo | exactly, this year I ended put much less bio on the private part |
| 11:35.15 | kblin | but I still had a part of my public application at the beginning that summarized what I wanted to do.. in 414 chars in 2006 |
| 11:36.09 | kblin | in 2007 it was "Improving winbindd in Samba4" :) |
| 11:36.52 | kblin | but that was because I had a lot of communication with the mentoring org before sending the application, and everybody involved was clear about the project |
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| 11:37.02 | kblin | apart from myself, I guess |
| 11:37.21 | kblin | but things are always harder than they seem at the first glance |
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| 11:37.58 | ajuonline | kblin: is there an blog post on "code for cotton" |
| 11:38.02 | ajuonline | i tried google, no luck |
| 11:38.15 | Nightrose | ajuonline: cotton aka t-shirt ;-) |
| 11:38.28 | Nightrose | the shirt you get for taking part in gsoc |
| 11:38.28 | ajuonline | Nightrose: yes |
| 11:38.38 | ajuonline | right. |
| 11:38.41 | kblin | ajuonline: no, I think that just involved the in joke on the 2005 student's list |
| 11:39.05 | ajuonline | umm ok :P |
| 11:39.20 | ajuonline | looks in |
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| 11:39.38 | werdna | check out youtube's april fools? |
| 11:39.51 | Nightrose | kblin: btw my problem with ineligable proposals is solved now :) i can see them now and the students themself withdrew them and send in a new one |
| 11:39.53 | schumaml | btw, any rumours about the shirt design? |
| 11:39.59 | ajuonline | kblin: its everywherein your signature :P |
| 11:40.12 | schumaml | the 2008 shirt wasn't exactly suitable for motivating mentors this year :/ |
| 11:40.28 | kblin | Nightrose: good to know :) |
| 11:40.45 | kblin | ajuonline: well, there's that. |
| 11:40.53 | ajuonline | why are students being told to start applying already? |
| 11:41.08 | ajuonline | has a major report submission on 6th |
| 11:41.08 | gpolo | so an extension doesn't happen again |
| 11:41.25 | schumaml | because there are rumours that conficker will target appspot |
| 11:41.25 | kblin | ajuonline: so? you can still get a draft in |
| 11:41.40 | ajuonline | kblin: yeah working on that |
| 11:41.44 | schumaml | scnr |
| 11:41.53 | ajuonline | but this year we cant even edit once a comment is posted by the mentor? |
| 11:42.06 | kblin | ajuonline: yeah, after the deadline |
| 11:42.19 | schumaml | you can add comments |
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| 11:42.27 | ajuonline | we could do that last year, before results |
| 11:42.32 | schumaml | you cann reference a document created in melange |
| 11:42.36 | ojwb | yes, this year is different |
| 11:42.39 | Erant | <fn~schumaml> because there are rumours that conficker will target appspot |
| 11:42.41 | ajuonline | ok. |
| 11:42.44 | Erant | I hear it's going to target the moon |
| 11:42.46 | ajuonline | reads the melange user guide |
| 11:42.50 | Erant | And aliens. |
| 11:42.58 | Erant | And fire all the nuclear missiles. |
| 11:43.06 | kblin | ajuonline: but I don't see how that matters, given that if you don't apply prior the deadline, you can't even get your application in anymore |
| 11:43.07 | ojwb | ajuonline: lh said this, and it was pretty unambiguous |
| 11:43.13 | ojwb | dug into the log earlier |
| 11:43.19 | schumaml | Erant: it is Skynet |
| 11:44.10 | Ivanovic | ajuonline: you are familiar with the concept of deadlines, aren't you? |
| 11:44.23 | Ivanovic | and the deadline for submitting the project proposal is as of listed here: |
| 11:44.26 | Ivanovic | !next |
| 11:44.26 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
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| 11:45.12 | kblin | Ivanovic: I like the swooshing sound deadlines make when rushing by |
| 11:45.12 | ajuonline | Ivanovic: yeah :) |
| 11:45.18 | ajuonline | kblin: +1 |
| 11:45.35 | Ivanovic | kblin: yeah, it is really lovely |
| 11:45.54 | ajuonline | i still like the last year application interface :P |
| 11:45.59 | ajuonline | simeple - plain text ;) |
| 11:46.03 | Ivanovic | especially hearing the "masses" afterwards saying "but, uhm, i wanted to commit my proposal, too, why are you really sticking to a deadline, this would not be needed..." |
| 11:46.10 | ajuonline | simple* |
| 11:46.20 | ojwb | ajuonline: lh showed us the backend she has to deal with at the mentor summit |
| 11:46.30 | ojwb | I think that's the main incentive for replacing it |
| 11:46.32 | Ivanovic | ajuonline: i don't think that perfect formating matters too much |
| 11:46.40 | kblin | yeah, it really really really sucked |
| 11:46.47 | ajuonline | is there a word limit on the main proposal? |
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| 11:46.55 | Ivanovic | no limit on the main proposal IIRC |
| 11:46.55 | ojwb | i'm amazed they managed to deal with it so well |
| 11:47.06 | ajuonline | ojwb: yeah i understand that :) this app rocks. |
| 11:47.26 | kblin | ajuonline: seriously, the student side of the old app was pretty polished |
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| 11:47.43 | kblin | ajuonline: compared to a huge cluttered list of things lh had |
| 11:47.50 | ajuonline | kblin: yeah, i just mean that ;) |
| 11:48.12 | Ivanovic | i think the new one would be close to "perfect" if for formating plain mediawiki syntax worked, too (as already proposed several times) |
| 11:48.35 | Ivanovic | this would/should probably make most people happy |
| 11:48.47 | Ivanovic | beside this: hey, the new system *does* work... |
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| 12:08.59 | MatthewWilkes | http://jorgenmodin.net/index_html/archive/2009/04/01/text-ads-in-open-source-code-will-add-millions-in-funding-to-oss-movement |
| 12:09.09 | sfb | ahahahahah |
| 12:09.12 | sfb | Seriously? |
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| 12:10.11 | Abadaar_ | hmm, why were all my <div style="bla: bla;"> replaced by <div> in my application after my last edit... |
| 12:11.16 | kblin | Abadaar: because there was some issues with the editor |
| 12:11.24 | nuba | sfb: april 1st |
| 12:11.29 | kblin | sfb: it it wasn't for the date |
| 12:11.53 | kblin | "A pilot project two years ago got derailed in a fork war on the Linux kernel between 2.6.16coke and 2.6.16pepsi" |
| 12:12.03 | Abadaar_ | kblin, ok, thanks |
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| 12:13.53 | sfb | haha |
| 12:14.00 | sfb | My bad. |
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| 12:17.38 | sandrejev | hi |
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| 12:19.25 | WinterMute | kblin, was the fork war decided by 2.6.16joltcola or 2.6.16mountaindew? :p |
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| 12:25.48 | BCarlyon|Server | !llogs |
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| 12:25.50 | BCarlyon|Server | !logs |
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| 12:29.58 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
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| 12:57.10 | kblin | sighs |
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| 13:00.27 | ojwb | ? |
| 13:00.46 | ajuonline | o.O |
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| 13:01.11 | bcarlyon|laptop | o.0 |
| 13:01.12 | kblin | goes on to look for a good chemistry drawing program for linux |
| 13:01.43 | kblin | ACD labs has a version that supposedly works in Wine, but it won't let me download it |
| 13:01.59 | ojwb | katomic! |
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| 13:02.45 | kblin | katomic? |
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| 13:03.12 | kblin | I somehow doubt that'll work |
| 13:03.15 | kblin | :p |
| 13:03.28 | Nightrose | kblin: depending on what you want to do avogadro? |
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| 13:03.53 | ojwb | kblin: you can have fun trying |
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| 13:06.01 | chunmun | ajuonline:hi |
| 13:06.08 | chunmun | ajuonline:sticking to sahana? |
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| 13:28.28 | Nikerabbit | OO |
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| 13:41.20 | shyamheartbreakk | hey people what do i fill in the content column in application |
| 13:41.42 | kitallis | lol? |
| 13:41.59 | kitallis | fill in content |
| 13:42.12 | ojwb | or just write "i am a fish" over and over |
| 13:42.19 | jhil | haha |
| 13:42.23 | kitallis | haha |
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| 13:42.39 | ojwb | shyamheartbreakk: is there no application template? |
| 13:42.43 | ojwb | most orgs provide one |
| 13:42.44 | kitallis | add some content, that'd be the simplest way |
| 13:42.46 | MatthewWilkes | ojwb: :D |
| 13:43.04 | MatthewWilkes | I can't wait to see if they've recaptured the magic in the new dwarf eps |
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| 13:43.36 | kitallis | MatthewWilkes, what are u reffering to? |
| 13:43.47 | MatthewWilkes | Red Dwarf |
| 13:43.48 | kitallis | certainly not Lost |
| 13:43.51 | kitallis | ok |
| 13:44.14 | MatthewWilkes | assumed people that laughed at "I am a fish" got the reference to Rimmer's astronavigation exam |
| 13:44.26 | ojwb | perhaps they just find fish funny |
| 13:44.33 | ojwb | Poisson d'Avril and all that |
| 13:44.47 | danderson | hehehe, I am a fish :) |
| 13:44.55 | kitallis | i find 'h' and 'a' funny |
| 13:44.56 | tntcoda | Starbug is a smartcar in new red dwarf, could well be an epic fail |
| 13:45.06 | danderson | wait, what? |
| 13:45.09 | danderson | "new" red dwarf? |
| 13:45.12 | danderson | when did this happen?! |
| 13:45.25 | MatthewWilkes | danderson: Yeah, been planned for YEARS, but the tv trails have finally started |
| 13:45.29 | tntcoda | airs next friday ;) |
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| 13:46.12 | SerialNo_ | hm, will Student application deadline be a extended for couple days? |
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| 13:46.34 | danderson | No. |
| 13:46.35 | SerialNo_ | i sow that some students talk about it |
| 13:46.37 | Nikerabbit | why is everybody asking about an extension? |
| 13:46.41 | danderson | Do not assume that it will. |
| 13:46.51 | danderson | Currently, it will not. |
| 13:46.59 | danderson | This may change, but will probably not. |
| 13:47.01 | summatusmentis | Nikerabbit: there have been extensions in the past, I assume |
| 13:47.06 | danderson | So, don't count on it, and submit your application. |
| 13:47.17 | MatthewWilkes | !extension |
| 13:47.17 | socinfo | "extension" is There is no deadline extension planned at this time. You should not assume that there will be one. |
| 13:47.27 | SerialNo_ | is here somebody directly from google? |
| 13:47.33 | danderson | yes, me. |
| 13:47.37 | danderson | And no, there is no extension planned. |
| 13:47.37 | SerialNo_ | hm |
| 13:47.40 | SerialNo_ | ok then |
| 13:48.07 | danderson | I mean, feel free to not believe me |
| 13:48.14 | danderson | but you'll probably get screwed :-) |
| 13:48.15 | summatusmentis | SerialNo_: you've got 2 days yet, you can get an app in |
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| 13:48.21 | SerialNo_ | ok |
| 13:48.30 | SerialNo_ | it's not a problem |
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| 13:48.41 | SerialNo_ | just ask |
| 13:48.43 | SerialNo_ | :) |
| 13:49.03 | summatusmentis | waits until monday to apply, and then whines to danderson about how he thought there was an extension |
| 13:49.22 | tntcoda | what was the reason behind last years extension? |
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| 13:49.32 | BCarlyon|Server | tntcoda, cookies |
| 13:49.38 | tntcoda | nice |
| 13:49.52 | summatusmentis | tntcoda: last year students were only given a week |
| 13:49.52 | ojwb | tntcoda: last year the application window was a week |
| 13:50.05 | summatusmentis | wins |
| 13:50.07 | ojwb | which turned out not to be enough - apps were way down |
| 13:50.18 | tntcoda | ah i see |
| 13:50.37 | tntcoda | no excuse this year then :) |
| 13:50.41 | ojwb | apps are a bit down this year, but I doubt more time will make a huge difference |
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| 13:51.05 | rwatson | ojwb: unfortunately, it's still the case that many universities in the uk have been on vacation for two weeks, and will be out for two more |
| 13:51.07 | summatusmentis | right, most people agree that the reason for that is not related to time |
| 13:51.17 | rwatson | ojwb: not much to do about that, but it explains a continuing pretty low .uk turnout |
| 13:51.30 | summatusmentis | is .uk on trimesters? |
| 13:51.32 | schumaml | if this year will be anything like last year, then a flurry of applications will arrive shortly before the deadline |
| 13:51.33 | ojwb | rwatson: but a few more days wouldn't help anyway |
| 13:51.52 | ojwb | I'd have thought students on vacation would have more time |
| 13:52.03 | MatthewWilkes | summatusmentis: Yes. Many universities do teaching in semesters but scheduling in trimesters |
| 13:52.07 | rwatson | ojwb: not arguing it would, rather, that the overall schedule is not conducive to .uk participation since the participating orgs haven't been announced before students leave for vacation, and everything is done by the time they come back |
| 13:52.17 | summatusmentis | MatthewWilkes: what does scheduling in trimesters mean? |
| 13:52.18 | MatthewWilkes | summatusmentis: A semester is 12 weeks, a trimester is 10 weeks. Exam period is 6 weeks |
| 13:52.39 | rwatson | ojwb: perhaps, but little way to help structure their participation in a formal way |
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| 13:53.07 | MatthewWilkes | summatusmentis: So, 10 weeks of semester 1, 4 weeks holiday, 2 weeks of semester 1 then 8 weeks of semester 2, then 4 weeks holiday, then 4 weeks of semester 2 and 6 weeks of exams |
| 13:53.23 | rwatson | ojwb: no opportunity for them to come in and talk to their supervisors/etc about applications, etc. |
| 13:53.26 | summatusmentis | ah, ok |
| 13:53.28 | summatusmentis | weird |
| 13:53.38 | MatthewWilkes | The semester change is sometimes accompanied by a reading week where there aren't lectures, but that's not common in engineering |
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| 13:53.43 | MatthewWilkes | mostly for arts |
| 13:53.49 | summatusmentis | I mean, not 'weird', it just seems odd to do it that way |
| 13:53.53 | MatthewWilkes | it is :) |
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| 13:54.17 | MatthewWilkes | rwatson: Are you uk based? |
| 13:54.29 | summatusmentis | no, actually what I meant by weird was "everyone in the world should do it the way the US does" >_> |
| 13:54.43 | ojwb | summatusmentis: that's weird! |
| 13:54.55 | rwatson | MatthewWilkes: cl.cam.ac.uk |
| 13:55.16 | Nikerabbit | humn? do people really talk to teachers at uni about their applications? |
| 13:55.18 | ojwb | rwatson: I guess so, assuming many students do that |
| 13:55.18 | MatthewWilkes | rwatson: Ah, The William Henry Gates III computer laboratory? |
| 13:55.24 | ojwb | eww |
| 13:55.25 | summatusmentis | MatthewWilkes: so your exams section, that's what we would call "finals" but you have it at the end of the year, instead of end of each semester |
| 13:55.40 | summatusmentis | roughly/ |
| 13:55.43 | ojwb | is so glad he left before they did that |
| 13:55.44 | rwatson | MatthewWilkes: no, that's the name of the building. the computer laboratory is just the computer laboratory. :-) |
| 13:55.44 | summatusmentis | ? * |
| 13:55.51 | MatthewWilkes | hehe |
| 13:55.55 | ojwb | they had the cheek to send out begging letters for donations too |
| 13:56.08 | ojwb | sorry, you don't get his money and mine |
| 13:56.12 | MatthewWilkes | I applied to King's but got AABB and they didn't summer pool me |
| 13:56.36 | ojwb | summatusmentis: gates funded a new computer lab building at cambridge |
| 13:56.38 | rwatson | was at the cl in 1999 when it was still in the new museum site, the new building is (mostly) a good thing |
| 13:56.39 | MatthewWilkes | So went to bristol :) |
| 13:57.08 | summatusmentis | ojwb: I gathered by the name of the building :) |
| 13:57.08 | rwatson | main disadvantage is location in west cambridge, away from the city centre, but that has nothing to do with the donor |
| 13:57.30 | rwatson | recalls that it was a lot easier to get to the closest pub from the old location :-) |
| 13:57.33 | ojwb | that's just where there's space |
| 13:58.03 | MatthewWilkes | rwatson: I have a vague memory of it being near the physics labs, up past the copyright library? |
| 13:58.09 | MatthewWilkes | If so, that is indeed a mission |
| 13:58.10 | rwatson | ojwb: no, it has to do with office park city planning |
| 13:58.21 | rwatson | ojwb: no pub within 10 minutes cycle ride |
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| 13:58.45 | rwatson | MatthewWilkes: yes, it's almost next door to cavendish. |
| 13:58.54 | MatthewWilkes | Cavendish labs, that's the fellow |
| 13:59.17 | MatthewWilkes | I haven't been to cambridge for 5 years, nice place though. I still crave the fudge sometimes |
| 13:59.35 | rwatson | was glad to move back a few years ago |
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| 14:00.46 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
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| 14:03.25 | devvrat | !timeline |
| 14:03.25 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 14:05.52 | MatthewWilkes | Hi there dwins |
| 14:06.43 | dwins | hello |
| 14:07.14 | MatthewWilkes | Is TOPP doing anything GSoC based, or are you just here out of personal interest? |
| 14:07.19 | MatthewWilkes | (Plone org admin here) |
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| 14:07.36 | chunmun | !extension |
| 14:07.36 | socinfo | "extension" is There is no deadline extension planned at this time. You should not assume that there will be one. |
| 14:08.03 | dwins | MatthewWilkes: OpenGeo has its fingers in a couple of pots under the OSGeo umbrella |
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| 14:10.00 | MatthewWilkes | dwins: Ah, cool, that's a very pretty site - hadn't seen it before |
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| 14:11.31 | dwins | MatthewWilkes: thanks :) |
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| 14:17.27 | mots4u | hello all |
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| 14:21.52 | casinaroyale | is there anyway we can know how many applications have been received as of now by an org? |
| 14:22.03 | ojwb | ask them! |
| 14:22.29 | thiago | yes, you have to ask them |
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| 14:22.43 | pi31415926535 | !timeline |
| 14:22.43 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 14:23.32 | casinaroyale | ojwb: thiago, is there any reason for them not to tell? |
| 14:23.56 | pi31415926535 | 52 hours to go folks |
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| 14:25.00 | thiago | casinaroyale: ask them why they won't tell |
| 14:25.08 | summatusmentis | casinaroyale: if they're not going to tell, they're allowed to :) |
| 14:25.25 | casinaroyale | thiago: , I am just curious :D |
| 14:25.26 | araujo | morning |
| 14:25.33 | thiago | casinaroyale: we can see that. |
| 14:25.42 | thiago | casinaroyale: but you haven't asked anyone yet for their numbers. |
| 14:25.47 | atul15 | How many hours are left in deadline? |
| 14:25.52 | thiago | casinaroyale: so you don't know which orgs will tell you and how many won't. |
| 14:25.54 | thiago | !next |
| 14:25.54 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
| 14:25.57 | thiago | atul15: ^^^^ |
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| 14:26.30 | summatusmentis | hi araujo |
| 14:26.39 | araujo | hola summatusmentis |
| 14:26.41 | araujo | :) |
| 14:26.59 | ojwb | casinaroyale: if it's a large org, they may not want the hassle of answering such questions |
| 14:27.03 | sfb | lh: ping |
| 14:27.25 | ojwb | or might feel you don't have a need to know or something, but secrecy tends not to fit well with open source |
| 14:27.32 | casinaroyale | ojwb: ok |
| 14:27.46 | ojwb | just be polite and not pushy |
| 14:28.51 | casinaroyale | of course, I am very polite :) |
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| 14:32.15 | summatusmentis | pushy is definitely a plus |
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| 14:38.27 | ajuonline | pushy++ |
| 14:38.29 | ajuonline | lol |
| 14:38.57 | kblin | that's doubleplus |
| 14:39.08 | ankitg | post increment ... ? |
| 14:39.26 | kblin | and I'd reckon that pushy is ungood, maybe even plusungood |
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| 14:39.59 | summatusmentis | kblin: any feedback I've ever gotten about pushy is that it's good |
| 14:40.18 | summatusmentis | now, that's assuming you're being reasonable in your pushiness, but making sure you get what you need is a good thing |
| 14:40.35 | SRabbelier | Breaking News!!! GSoC 2009 cancelled due to crisis! |
| 14:40.44 | aghisla | haha |
| 14:40.46 | macduyhai | lol |
| 14:40.51 | summatusmentis | kicks SRabbelier w/ his Apr. 1 shoes |
| 14:40.51 | Mathiasdm | oh noes!888! |
| 14:40.56 | SRabbelier | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:41.00 | aghisla | Breaking News: Microsoft participates to SoC! |
| 14:41.04 | aghisla | (worse) |
| 14:41.05 | SRabbelier | aghisla: haha! |
| 14:41.06 | macduyhai | lolx2 |
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| 14:42.05 | kblin | shrugs |
| 14:42.20 | Landon | SRabbelier: nah, Breaking News!!! GSoC 2009 to only accept one student per org |
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| 14:42.20 | Landon | :P |
| 14:42.20 | Landon | makes it more exciting |
| 14:42.20 | Landon | hehe |
| 14:42.25 | kblin | Microsoft engineers seem to be reasonable people |
| 14:42.38 | SRabbelier | kblin: orly? |
| 14:42.42 | SerialNo_ | microsoft and soc? |
| 14:42.44 | SerialNo_ | hahahha |
| 14:42.51 | summatusmentis | reasonable as far as they can be |
| 14:43.02 | Landon | R&D seems to have useful stuff too |
| 14:43.13 | SerialNo_ | i can not... |
| 14:43.18 | SerialNo_ | man |
| 14:43.25 | SerialNo_ | any link? |
| 14:43.27 | SerialNo_ | to it |
| 14:43.42 | summatusmentis | ... |
| 14:44.03 | kblin | SRabbelier: the ones that I met so far, yes |
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| 14:44.11 | SRabbelier | kblin: that's good :) |
| 14:44.19 | kblin | SRabbelier: some even file Samba bugs :) |
| 14:44.45 | SRabbelier | kblin: neat! |
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| 14:47.17 | fahadsadah | Can High School students enter GSoC? |
| 14:47.37 | kblin | !amieligible |
| 14:47.37 | socinfo | Error: "amieligible" is not a valid command. |
| 14:47.40 | kblin | hmm |
| 14:48.11 | kblin | !faq |
| 14:48.11 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 14:48.15 | kblin | it's in there |
| 14:48.17 | MMlosh | fahadsadah: someone told me yesterday that they can if they are 18+ , but It's not verified.. |
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| 14:49.33 | pi31415926535 | in faq it says that students can give up to 20 proposals |
| 14:49.50 | pi31415926535 | and 1 will be accepted |
| 14:50.01 | pi31415926535 | does it mean generally or per org? |
| 14:50.08 | aghisla | generally |
| 14:50.24 | thiago | well, 0 or 1 will be accepted |
| 14:50.24 | pi31415926535 | thnx |
| 14:50.26 | kitallis | pi31415926535, my ruby fact calculator did way more digits than that |
| 14:50.28 | thiago | :-) |
| 14:50.45 | ojwb | but seriously, don't submit 20 |
| 14:51.00 | pi31415926535 | i wont (cant) |
| 14:51.12 | ojwb | 2 or 3 at most I'd suggest |
| 14:51.16 | summatusmentis | meh, if you can make 20 good proposals, go ahead :) |
| 14:51.22 | pi31415926535 | it's been 2 know |
| 14:51.28 | pi31415926535 | 1 of them is rubbish |
| 14:52.13 | ojwb | i'd be interested to see the distribution of number of proposals per student |
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| 14:52.26 | pi31415926535 | is the attendance to gsoc less than the past years? |
| 14:52.44 | ojwb | so far it seems that way |
| 14:52.47 | summatusmentis | there have been less applicants this year, yes |
| 14:52.53 | summatusmentis | so far * |
| 14:53.00 | kitallis | ojwb, how can u predict? |
| 14:53.07 | pi31415926535 | why do you think that happened? |
| 14:53.08 | kitallis | ojwb, or how do u know? |
| 14:53.19 | ojwb | it has been discussed on the mentors list |
| 14:53.21 | summatusmentis | kitallis: orgs have been reporting far fewere applicants |
| 14:53.25 | ojwb | and I can see for the org I'm admin of |
| 14:53.26 | summatusmentis | -e |
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| 14:53.38 | kitallis | summatusmentis, oh, most of them submit in the end anyway |
| 14:53.38 | ojwb | and other people on here have mostly said the same |
| 14:53.44 | Ivanovic | you should not underestimate the amount of last minuite applications |
| 14:53.53 | summatusmentis | kitallis: well, yes, that's still a possibility |
| 14:53.55 | Ivanovic | there will probably be *many* again |
| 14:53.58 | ojwb | we don't, but we saw those last year too |
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| 14:54.11 | summatusmentis | but orgs have been saying there are fewer applicants at this point |
| 14:54.13 | ojwb | and I did say "so far" for a reason |
| 14:54.42 | Ivanovic | remembers last year and people complaining "hey, there are not many students so far" |
| 14:54.55 | Ivanovic | at the end there were by far more applicants than the year before... |
| 14:55.02 | pi31415926535 | some proposal templates even want to hear that we've wrote a book |
| 14:55.03 | macduyhai | I'm confused. Is it a problem if I submitted a proposal early, but made lots of edits later on? |
| 14:55.12 | ojwb | not really |
| 14:55.13 | kitallis | written* |
| 14:55.17 | Ivanovic | macduyhai: no, this is no problem at all |
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| 14:56.01 | kitallis | would that also mean? that i can re-write after submission? |
| 14:56.09 | Ivanovic | basically yes |
| 14:56.11 | pi31415926535 | they were saying that even after deadline the props are editable is that right? |
| 14:56.12 | ojwb | my feeling is that we'll end up with about the same number of good candidates as last year, but slightly fewer poor ones |
| 14:56.17 | summatusmentis | up until the period closes |
| 14:56.17 | Ivanovic | no idea what exactly you can change |
| 14:56.17 | ojwb | which isn't bad |
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| 14:56.46 | Ivanovic | pi31415926535: from what i heard after the deadline you can not edit the proposal any longer but still post comments |
| 14:56.53 | macduyhai | Thanks Ivanovic |
| 14:56.54 | Ivanovic | so you can basically write a new proposal in such a comment |
| 14:56.56 | ojwb | that's what lh said |
| 14:56.57 | summatusmentis | pi31415926535: I don't know if you can actually change things upon comments after the deadline |
| 14:57.30 | Ivanovic | and of course mentors will look at the comments, since they are *there* to be read |
| 14:57.34 | Koyla | can i provide my full detail relating to my proposal in a website and will attach the link in my proposal...?? |
| 14:57.43 | summatusmentis | kangaroo: yes |
| 14:57.44 | pi31415926535 | this stress is killing me |
| 14:57.54 | Ivanovic | hey, why would I as admin/mentor bother posting a public comment to the student if i would not be willing to read replies later on? |
| 14:57.55 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 14:57.59 | summatusmentis | pi31415926535: it's all good, dont' worry |
| 14:58.11 | Ivanovic | Koyla: ask your org if they are fine with it |
| 14:58.11 | pi31415926535 | wants to sleep wants to walk |
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| 14:58.27 | pi31415926535 | its been 60 something hrs |
| 14:58.30 | Ivanovic | Koyla: that is: at wesnoth we are fine with our students writing their proposals in our wiki and just linking those |
| 14:58.33 | pi31415926535 | still didn't sleep |
| 14:58.41 | summatusmentis | pi31415926535: go sleep! |
| 14:58.44 | Ivanovic | though this might differ from project to project |
| 14:59.14 | Ivanovic | and yeah, a link to "some private site" does not work for us since then the proposal could be edited to be something completely different on deliverables later on |
| 14:59.23 | pi31415926535 | theres 52 hours for the deadline =) |
| 14:59.29 | summatusmentis | Ivanovic: that's a good point |
| 14:59.31 | ojwb | or might go down without warning |
| 14:59.33 | Ivanovic | in our wiki we at least have a history and can then point on "we agreed on that stuff!" |
| 14:59.42 | homunq | yeah, at sugar labs, on the web app it just says "link to the wiki (but you can put any part of your application you consider private here)" |
| 15:00.03 | summatusmentis | pi31415926535: yeah... but how good will your writing be after being awake for that long? |
| 15:00.04 | homunq | I doubt anybody will have anything "private". |
| 15:00.09 | Koyla | Ivanovic: thnks.. |
| 15:00.18 | summatusmentis | I don't really understand why people would link outside |
| 15:00.25 | summatusmentis | there's no length limit |
| 15:00.47 | summatusmentis | you can link pictures within the google app box |
| 15:00.54 | homunq | summatusmentis: to have it be publicly-readable, of course. |
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| 15:01.01 | pi31415926535 | summatusmentis: i can take it up to 74 hrs straight :D |
| 15:01.04 | summatusmentis | homunq: alright, that's possible |
| 15:01.10 | homunq | we are communities, not bureaucracies. |
| 15:01.12 | summatusmentis | pi31415926535: go sleep |
| 15:01.21 | summatusmentis | homunq: no, that absolutely makes sense |
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| 15:01.37 | homunq | (beaurocracies? I can never spell that) |
| 15:01.46 | summatusmentis | the first one |
| 15:01.52 | summatusmentis | or it at least looks closer |
| 15:01.53 | aghisla | bureaucracies |
| 15:01.59 | aghisla | imho |
| 15:02.09 | pi31415926535 | i'll try =S |
| 15:02.16 | summatusmentis | correct spelling is not a matter of a opinion :-D |
| 15:02.16 | homunq | spelling by imho - lol |
| 15:02.34 | Ivanovic | summatusmentis: uhm, in english it might not be, in german it at least partly is... |
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| 15:02.48 | homunq | wow, yay german |
| 15:02.52 | Ivanovic | (with sometimes various forms being "correct") |
| 15:03.00 | summatusmentis | Google says "bureaucracies" |
| 15:03.17 | homunq | boo google. fascists. |
| 15:03.40 | summatusmentis | Ivanovic: well, we have that with things like grey vs. gray, but even still, you can't really just say something and claim it as true because it's your opinion |
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| 15:04.25 | summatusmentis | that'd be like me saying "bewrahcrahcees - imho" :-D |
| 15:04.32 | lut4rp | what's the application word limit? |
| 15:04.37 | lut4rp | if there's any, that is |
| 15:04.43 | aghisla | 1G |
| 15:04.47 | aghisla | kidding |
| 15:04.49 | summatusmentis | lut4rp: technically there is, but you won't hit it |
| 15:04.49 | Ivanovic | lut4rp: there is none IIRC |
| 15:04.51 | borja | mornin' summatusmentis |
| 15:04.55 | borja | summatusmentis: how's it going? |
| 15:05.04 | lut4rp | summatusmentis, i'm not really sure about that, what is it? :) |
| 15:05.05 | summatusmentis | how're you borja? going well enough, sick :( |
| 15:05.13 | borja | oof |
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| 15:05.24 | summatusmentis | lut4rp: I don't know, honestly, it's some technical limit imposed by melange limits |
| 15:05.25 | Ivanovic | hmm, lets see what the technical limit could be... |
| 15:05.35 | lut4rp | ah |
| 15:05.35 | aghisla | lut4rp: try not to write a novel :) think of the guy who will read it |
| 15:05.38 | Ivanovic | the stuff is backed by some database, probably something like mysql |
| 15:05.40 | summatusmentis | yeah, it's whatever the max amount for melange is |
| 15:05.49 | lut4rp | hmm, i'm on 690 words right now |
| 15:05.58 | Ivanovic | what is the max size possible for a single entry in an sql database? |
| 15:06.01 | summatusmentis | Ivanovic: actually, afaik, there is no mysql |
| 15:06.06 | summatusmentis | lut4rp: mine is 1393 |
| 15:06.08 | lut4rp | i think it will will hit ~800 |
| 15:06.11 | summatusmentis | you're fine |
| 15:06.12 | Ivanovic | lut4rp: counting words does not help at all, count chars |
| 15:06.13 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 15:06.20 | lut4rp | 4138 chars |
| 15:06.31 | lut4rp | summatusmentis, ahh :) |
| 15:06.32 | aghisla | pascal said, if I had more time, I would have written you a shorter letter |
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| 15:06.34 | lut4rp | then i am. |
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| 15:06.49 | Ivanovic | summatusmentis: i think it is stored in some kind of database though i am not sure which one |
| 15:07.00 | summatusmentis | honestly, you're very very unlikely to hit the limit. That said, brevity, for the sake of the mentors, is a plus |
| 15:07.04 | Ivanovic | and the max size for the project description is basically the max size of an entry |
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| 15:07.23 | summatusmentis | Ivanovic: I'm sure it probably is, I'm fairly certain there's no access to the database though |
| 15:07.26 | Ivanovic | which will be *large* |
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| 15:07.37 | lut4rp | was thinking of mentoring before dropping it :-) |
| 15:08.01 | susscorfa | i was looking in my student profile but i could not change about how i heard about the program |
| 15:08.09 | susscorfa | anyone has the same problem |
| 15:09.07 | iwikiwi | lut4rp: I sent one with 3166 words, so there you go a good upper bound for you. |
| 15:09.20 | lut4rp | iwikiwi, WOT. |
| 15:09.24 | summatusmentis | iwikiwi: holy sh** |
| 15:09.26 | lut4rp | iwikiwi, you wrote a novel :) |
| 15:09.41 | iwikiwi | haha |
| 15:09.42 | MMlosh | susscorfa: You're right.. I can confirm that, I can't |
| 15:09.52 | iwikiwi | well its on public http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Print_Support |
| 15:10.02 | iwikiwi | I just sent what ever was in it :p |
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| 15:10.21 | neo71 | gur |
| 15:10.23 | summatusmentis | 3166 words for printer support? :-P |
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| 15:10.52 | neo71 | any Drupal Mentor over here |
| 15:10.56 | neo71 | ?? |
| 15:10.58 | pi31415926535 | 3166 guaranties to get in? :P |
| 15:10.59 | summatusmentis | !anyone |
| 15:10.59 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 15:11.00 | iwikiwi | summatusmentis: the problem is its not just printer support, its a whole teacher moderated printing environment! |
| 15:11.03 | susscorfa | is there a place to report these bugs? |
| 15:11.06 | lut4rp | neo71, go to #drupal |
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| 15:11.20 | lut4rp | neo71, are you looking for a specific project mentor? |
| 15:11.21 | summatusmentis | iwikiwi: haha, oh, that's reasonable. But still :) |
| 15:11.48 | pi31415926535 | i will fill my proposal with some lorem ipsum |
| 15:11.49 | neo71 | I was looking for Gurpratap |
| 15:12.11 | iwikiwi | summatusmentis: our org has patience, and i am not the one with the highest character count either ;) |
| 15:12.12 | neo71 | lut4rp: are you pratul? |
| 15:12.22 | neo71 | from IIT k |
| 15:12.24 | borja | susscorfa: http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/list |
| 15:12.30 | lut4rp | neo71, i am not from IITK :P |
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| 15:12.32 | borja | susscorfa: also, the #melange channel |
| 15:12.35 | lut4rp | neo71, but yes, i am Pratul. |
| 15:12.47 | neo71 | ok |
| 15:12.47 | summatusmentis | iwikiwi: yeah, I'm not saying it's unreasonable, but it's just long :) |
| 15:13.04 | neo71 | lut4rp: you are in participation or as a mentor |
| 15:13.05 | neo71 | ? |
| 15:13.11 | lut4rp | neo71, as a participation |
| 15:13.16 | neo71 | lut4rp: I attended your lecture |
| 15:13.25 | neo71 | ok |
| 15:13.44 | lut4rp | neo71, ahh, i'm honored, it wasn't a lecture :) |
| 15:13.45 | neo71 | lut4rp: Gurpratap Mentoring you ? |
| 15:13.46 | lut4rp | it was just a talk. |
| 15:13.53 | neo71 | yeah I know |
| 15:13.54 | lut4rp | neo71, no, he isn't |
| 15:14.01 | neo71 | but that was gret |
| 15:14.06 | neo71 | great* |
| 15:14.06 | lut4rp | thank you :) |
| 15:14.21 | iwikiwi | summatusmentis: ah, I never intended it to be long though. I just put in the appropriate fruits of my research. :P but it did turn out long. |
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| 15:14.21 | homunq | The funny thing is, sugar labs (the org iwikiwi's 3166 words are for) today got an app with 41 chars. |
| 15:14.25 | homunq | (it was a link) |
| 15:14.28 | neo71 | lut4rp: gurpratap also participatin? |
| 15:14.34 | lut4rp | neo71, i don't think so |
| 15:14.39 | summatusmentis | iwikiwi: :-D |
| 15:14.53 | neo71 | lut4rp: so he is mentoring |
| 15:14.53 | ajuonline | neo71: yes he is. |
| 15:14.54 | summatusmentis | homunq: you should make them use tinyurl ;-D |
| 15:14.54 | neo71 | ? |
| 15:15.00 | lut4rp | neo71, i don't think so. |
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| 15:15.17 | neo71 | ajuonline: he is participating ? or mentoring ? |
| 15:15.25 | ajuonline | neo71: participating as a student |
| 15:15.36 | lut4rp | neo71, no, he isn't in GSoC this year |
| 15:16.18 | iwikiwi | homunq: magic :p |
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| 15:17.54 | neo71 | lut4rp: ok thanks |
| 15:18.19 | neo71 | ajuonline: contradicting statement with pratul |
| 15:20.00 | ajuonline | neo71: i dont know anyidiot by that name :) |
| 15:20.18 | ajuonline | anyways neo71 maybe you should look for gurpartap when hes online |
| 15:20.28 | ajuonline | neo71: are you applying this year? |
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| 15:21.19 | neo71 | ajuonline: yeah I am applying this year |
| 15:21.28 | ajuonline | neo71: good :) which organisation? |
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| 15:21.34 | neo71 | ajuonline: Pratul is lut4rp, he is in IIT |
| 15:21.40 | neo71 | I am applying in ascend |
| 15:21.42 | neo71 | Joomla |
| 15:21.48 | neo71 | and Drupal |
| 15:21.52 | lut4rp | neo71, i am not in IIT :) |
| 15:21.59 | ajuonline | neo71: oh thanks, but i still dont know any idiot by that name |
| 15:22.07 | neo71 | ok lut4rp is in IITK |
| 15:22.15 | ajuonline | neo71: ##gsoc-india |
| 15:22.18 | lut4rp | neo71, I am *not* in any IIT. |
| 15:22.26 | ajuonline | LOL max :P |
| 15:22.43 | mots4u | how to join irc of videolan |
| 15:22.46 | mots4u | ? |
| 15:22.50 | ajuonline | !anyone |
| 15:22.50 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 15:22.51 | neo71 | you gave talk in IIT |
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| 15:23.10 | neo71 | you were wearing LINUX penguin pullover |
| 15:23.22 | lut4rp | neo71, i was a guest there. |
| 15:23.27 | neo71 | ok |
| 15:23.28 | lut4rp | neo71, i don't study there. |
| 15:23.39 | neo71 | lut4rp: ok |
| 15:24.31 | vinod | hi. do i need to submit any certificates which certifies me as an undergraduate student to google for GSoC program. if so when and how to submit. |
| 15:24.45 | ojwb | if you get selected you'll be asked |
| 15:24.45 | PearlJam | vinod: that is later. after u get accepted. |
| 15:24.50 | andrecastelo | !next |
| 15:24.51 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
| 15:24.55 | andrecastelo | !extension |
| 15:24.55 | socinfo | "extension" is There is no deadline extension planned at this time. You should not assume that there will be one. |
| 15:24.58 | andrecastelo | :( |
| 15:25.05 | aghisla | faqs ruuuules |
| 15:25.13 | aghisla | hugs faqs |
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| 15:26.02 | mots4u | please anybody tell me how to join irc of videolan |
| 15:26.05 | ajuonline | hails allman :) |
| 15:26.05 | macduy | !joke |
| 15:26.05 | socinfo | Error: "joke" is not a valid command. |
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| 15:26.49 | literal | mots4u: /join #videolan |
| 15:27.05 | vinod | i submitted my project proposal from the link in gsoc logged in page. link is "submit my proposal" - something like this. Is this enough? if not what else has to be done. |
| 15:27.14 | mots4u | at freenode?? |
| 15:27.20 | literal | mots4u: yes |
| 15:27.20 | SRabbelier | vinod: please read the userguide |
| 15:27.22 | SRabbelier | !userguide |
| 15:27.22 | socinfo | "userguide" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide |
| 15:27.32 | iwikiwi | vinod: have you talked to your org, btw? |
| 15:27.33 | PearlJam | mots4u: get the room list and search it. |
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| 15:27.52 | mots4u | thank u literal |
| 15:28.18 | vinod | so what should i ask to my org? |
| 15:28.58 | literal | ask them what you should ask :) |
| 15:29.23 | iwikiwi | vinod: they might require special errands or such from you. Its always best to be in good contact with them. |
| 15:29.31 | ojwb | "how can I improve my proposal?" is a good start |
| 15:29.34 | iwikiwi | not to mention they could provide suggestions |
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| 15:30.54 | vinod | thank you iwikiwi. |
| 15:31.21 | neo71 | !deadline |
| 15:31.21 | socinfo | Error: "deadline" is not a valid command. |
| 15:31.29 | neo71 | !timeline |
| 15:31.29 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 15:36.15 | ajuonline | OK to put a link to a wiki page or google docs? in the app? |
| 15:36.24 | ajuonline | which has the main proposal? |
| 15:36.32 | literal | sure |
| 15:36.36 | Ivanovic | ajuonline: ask your mentoring orgs |
| 15:36.36 | literal | mine has a few links |
| 15:36.41 | literal | as references |
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| 15:36.56 | ajuonline | hmmm |
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| 15:37.18 | Ivanovic | ajuonline: that is: at wesnoth we are fine with "just write the abstract and point to an entry in our wiki for the full fledged version" |
| 15:37.28 | Ivanovic | though this might depend from org to org |
| 15:38.52 | ajuonline | true |
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| 15:40.57 | homunq | ajuonline: which org? |
| 15:41.10 | ajuonline | homunq: sahana |
| 15:41.27 | homunq | :) |
| 15:42.17 | homunq | no idea. Given their product, I'd suspect they like to keep the app in public, so wiki would be fine. But ask them. |
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| 15:43.23 | summatusmentis | I linked to my resume, but I submitted my app publicly first |
| 15:43.31 | summatusmentis | via RIC |
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| 15:44.11 | homunq | ajuonline: pm? |
| 15:44.21 | ajuonline | homunq: sure |
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| 15:44.44 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: yeah doing that as well. |
| 15:44.58 | ajuonline | just that someone here mentioned, of putting up a link to the wiki page, where the proposal is being discussed or planned |
| 15:45.54 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: yeah, that makes sense. At least my org prefers all of those discussions to take place in IRC |
| 15:46.40 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: mine on mailing list. |
| 15:46.43 | iwikiwi | homunq: there wasnt a mention of resume(or cv) in our app. I have a pdf one ready of mine. Should I send a link via google apps? or is it redundant? |
| 15:47.01 | summatusmentis | iwikiwi: might as well provide it |
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| 15:47.16 | summatusmentis | hola spectie |
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| 15:48.06 | iwikiwi | summatusmentis: I think so too, but wonder what homunq has to say? :p |
| 15:48.17 | summatusmentis | ha |
| 15:48.28 | summatusmentis | I missed that it was directed at homunq :-D |
| 15:48.33 | homunq | iwikiwi: sure. might as well |
| 15:48.50 | iwikiwi | homunq: okay |
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| 15:49.47 | spectie | hey |
| 15:49.48 | spectie | hola |
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| 15:52.35 | ajuonline | heyo fran :) |
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| 15:56.36 | spectie | hey ajuonline |
| 15:57.04 | ajuonline | spectie: so got all your queries taken care of? |
| 15:57.08 | spectie | yep |
| 15:57.09 | spectie | :) |
| 15:57.12 | spectie | well, most of them |
| 15:57.17 | spectie | and i sent the others off in a rather long email |
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| 16:00.14 | ajuonline | ah great :P |
| 16:00.24 | ajuonline | spectie: you know l10n guys? ;) :P |
| 16:00.32 | spectie | a fair few :) |
| 16:00.33 | ajuonline | i could use some to help out with the Sahana l10n |
| 16:00.49 | spectie | translations ? |
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| 16:01.15 | ajuonline | yeah, localisation. we have a pootle server setup. |
| 16:01.29 | spectie | aha |
| 16:01.30 | spectie | cool |
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| 16:02.00 | ajuonline | spectie: http://translate.sahana.lk |
| 16:02.10 | ajuonline | spectie: v 0.6.2.2 needs help ;) |
| 16:02.27 | spectie | i can do en_UK |
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| 16:03.45 | ajuonline | spectie: thats complete :/ 95% |
| 16:04.11 | spectie | 95% isn't complete :P |
| 16:04.16 | spectie | and there are some weird translations |
| 16:04.29 | spectie | like "Manufactured date" would be better as "Date of manufacture" |
| 16:05.11 | ajuonline | spectie: /j #sahana :) |
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| 16:31.31 | kblin | lh: ping |
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| 16:34.33 | ajuonline | kblin: pong |
| 16:34.35 | ajuonline | runs |
| 16:35.39 | kblin | /kick ajuonline pong indeed ;) |
| 16:35.45 | kblin | whoops ;) |
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| 16:36.38 | summatusmentis | haha |
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| 16:36.49 | ajuonline | :P |
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| 16:40.02 | homunq | kblin, instead of pinging the channel goddess, I think the protocol is to !ask her. |
| 16:40.04 | homunq | !ask |
| 16:40.05 | socinfo | "ask" is Don't ask to ask, just ask. Meta-questions lead to meta-answers and wasted time. |
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| 16:40.36 | ajuonline | ooOoo |
| 16:40.38 | kblin | homunq: I'd rather wait for her to drop by |
| 16:40.40 | ajuonline | !lh |
| 16:40.40 | socinfo | "lh" is (#1) Lighthearted Hippy, or (#2) Lady Hawthorn, or (#3) a zen experience to be hugged by!, or (#4) LOVE!, or (#5) lovingly happy, or (#6) free as in freedom!, or (#7) Loathes Harkonnen, or (#8) magic, or (#9) pillar of patience, or (#10) the most awesome woman to ever walk the earth, or (#11) superwoman with superhuman powers, or (#12) living human |
| 16:41.43 | ajuonline | yAy! |
| 16:41.43 | ajuonline | (#13)aka Trinity |
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| 16:41.44 | SRabbelier | ajuonline: Trinity? |
| 16:41.44 | ajuonline | SRabbelier: matrix? |
| 16:41.53 | SRabbelier | ajuonline: duh, but, why? |
| 16:42.00 | ajuonline | super powers. multi tasking. :P |
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| 16:42.17 | SRabbelier | ajuonline: lol |
| 16:42.28 | saurabh1403 | !faq |
| 16:42.28 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 16:42.38 | ajuonline | saurabh1403: :D |
| 16:42.51 | forngren | stupid question maybe, but how do I submit an application? |
| 16:42.57 | kblin | also, becaue one person came in here with a nick of neo<something> and thought lh was a guy |
| 16:43.05 | homunq | I'd say she's more Morpheus. |
| 16:43.06 | ajuonline | !faq |
| 16:43.06 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
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| 16:43.22 | ajuonline | homunq: you should check her out during results announcements etc :P |
| 16:43.27 | ajuonline | or maybe conflict resolution |
| 16:43.38 | homunq | the mentor who hopes to be surpassed by her students |
| 16:43.45 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: did you watch conflict resolution last year? |
| 16:44.00 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: no. but i saw a screenshot somewhere ;) |
| 16:44.20 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: ha, that would be a lot of fun to watch |
| 16:44.22 | homunq | no way. there are screenshots? lol |
| 16:44.39 | ajuonline | someone put up on their orkut/facebook album |
| 16:45.39 | kblin | hehe |
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| 16:46.07 | ankitg | says, "it wasn't me" ... looks the other way ... |
| 16:46.23 | summatusmentis | rawr... I wanna hack osx onto a netbook, and the dell mini works perfectly |
| 16:46.24 | kblin | I've never seen a channel scroll so fast |
| 16:46.27 | summatusmentis | just so expensive |
| 16:47.29 | ankitg | kblin: yeah, it's all a blur ... kinda reminds me of the whoosh sounds that deadlines make as they whiz pass by ... |
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| 16:51.36 | omniter | i hate windows vista... |
| 16:51.48 | omniter | it just completely reset my profile for no reason. |
| 16:52.00 | omniter | my stuff is still there, it's just not accessible. and all my settings for all my programs are reset. -_- |
| 16:52.19 | SRabbelier | omniter: I'm sure you hit the "go wild" button on accident |
| 16:52.23 | omniter | this kind of software isn't even justifiable |
| 16:52.49 | omniter | SRabbelier, it literally did this for no reason. i logged in this morning, and everything was wiped |
| 16:53.00 | omniter | i think it was caused by Windows Media Player 11 Update |
| 16:53.07 | omniter | oh well, just ranting |
| 16:53.42 | SRabbelier | omniter: suckage :P |
| 16:53.49 | ajuonline | i think i am gonna sell off my deksotp and get a netbook |
| 16:53.52 | ajuonline | desktop* |
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| 16:54.24 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: I'm contempalting selling my laptop and going desktop+netbook :) |
| 16:54.36 | omniter | does this happen in linux too? |
| 16:54.44 | SRabbelier | omniter: ofcourse not |
| 16:54.49 | SRabbelier | omniter: linux is magic |
| 16:54.53 | omniter | jeezus, i'm seriously considering switching |
| 16:54.55 | SRabbelier | omniter: it always works, without flaw |
| 16:55.18 | Catfish_Man | linux sprung fully proved from the head of dijkstra |
| 16:55.26 | SRabbelier | Catfish_Man: exactly |
| 16:55.27 | jhil | :D |
| 16:55.33 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: i just love this laptop of mine. although its acting weird these days, when I run on battery, the screen shuts off for no reason. |
| 16:55.47 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: that's called power saving :) |
| 16:56.11 | Catfish_Man | ajuonline: in the next version the whole computer will shut off to save additional power |
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| 16:56.24 | SRabbelier | Catfish_Man: lol, that's be nice |
| 16:56.25 | ajuonline | eh |
| 16:56.29 | Catfish_Man | it'll also come with a stickynote saying "go outside" |
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| 16:57.19 | ajuonline | and "get a life" ? |
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| 16:57.22 | SRabbelier | Catfish_Man: and optionally "get a life" |
| 16:57.23 | ajuonline | :P |
| 16:57.25 | SRabbelier | ajuonline: damn, ninja-ed :( |
| 16:57.30 | ajuonline | lol! |
| 16:58.32 | ruzette | hi, I'm quite confused with how the alternate program proposal. can you explain to me further please |
| 16:58.34 | ruzette | thanks |
| 16:59.28 | kblin | does not parse |
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| 17:01.41 | ruzette | uhm, who can I ask about it? |
| 17:02.13 | kritarth_ | how to submit gsoc application? |
| 17:02.19 | summatusmentis | !faq |
| 17:02.19 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
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| 17:02.29 | summatusmentis | kritarth_: read that please |
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| 17:03.32 | ruzette | no, no, i was going to ask about the mentor |
| 17:04.00 | ruzette | i've read the faqs already and I'm quite confused with choosing a mentor |
| 17:04.21 | ruzette | and this part on the faq "Please don't apply unless your proposed project has an academic research focus and you've already found an advisor from your university or industry to mentor you." |
| 17:04.28 | blast007 | ruzette: they did that for kritarth_, not you ;) |
| 17:04.35 | ruzette | oh, I'm sorry. :) |
| 17:04.39 | blast007 | hehe |
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| 17:05.38 | ruzette | :) |
| 17:05.43 | Catfish_Man | ruzette: a typical example would be a student's professor mentoring them on a project that wasn't suited to one of the organizations |
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| 17:07.32 | ruzette | If, for example, a student wishes to send an alternate program proposal, chooses Google as a mentoring organization then chooses his professor at his University as his Mentor.. is this possible? |
| 17:07.45 | Catfish_Man | yes |
| 17:08.26 | SRabbelier | ruzette: but know that Google doesn't accept many students at all |
| 17:08.33 | SRabbelier | ruzette: (as student to Google I mean) |
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| 17:08.48 | SRabbelier | ruzette: you'd have a better chance of getting accepted by applying the regular way, under an organization |
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| 17:08.55 | ruzette | oh |
| 17:09.31 | ruzette | because i think my project does not fit in with any organizations. |
| 17:09.39 | ruzette | T_T |
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| 17:09.57 | schumaml | what is the project? |
| 17:10.02 | SRabbelier | indeed |
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| 17:10.54 | ruzette | creating a client on a console. |
| 17:11.11 | hypa7ia | ruzette: is it a new project? |
| 17:11.13 | Catfish_Man | a client for what? |
| 17:11.37 | ruzette | MMO environment on consoles, i mean. |
| 17:11.54 | schumaml | like a MUD? |
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| 17:12.10 | schumaml | or what type of console? |
| 17:12.12 | SRabbelier | ruzette: how about applying to Thousand parsecs? |
| 17:12.26 | SRabbelier | ruzette: They're an open source game with support for multiple clients |
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| 17:13.28 | ruzette | SRabbelier: aren't they strict with their ideas' list? |
| 17:13.41 | SRabbelier | ruzette: most orgs aren't, I don't know if TP is |
| 17:14.22 | schumaml | "We also strongly encourage you to also come up with an idea on your own. " from http://www.thousandparsec.net/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code |
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| 17:15.14 | ruzette | they focus on space empire games, right? |
| 17:15.25 | SRabbelier | ruzette: not entirely |
| 17:15.30 | JJanz | Hi! First, I'm sorry for my ignorance in English about those terms I'm about to mention. I'm already graduated (in 2004) and entering a post-graduation course (a specialization) but I only see undergraduate, master and phd as options when I try to apply as a student. What sould I do? Which option should I choose? Or is that course unelegible for the program? |
| 17:15.42 | SRabbelier | ruzette: you could see that as their "sample implemntation", but there's many games possible on their engine I think |
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| 17:16.13 | mafm | lh: around? |
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| 17:16.19 | sfb | ruzette: I wouldn't say explicitly space empire games although that is its forte. It sort of started that way and is kind of like Wesnoth in it's ability to be adapted to other purposes. |
| 17:16.26 | sfb | ruzette: It is explicitly for 4X games though. |
| 17:16.35 | SRabbelier | sfb: 4X games? |
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| 17:16.49 | sfb | SRabbelier: Explore, Expand, Exploit and Exterminate. |
| 17:16.57 | ruzette | ooh. |
| 17:17.04 | sfb | I don't know why they don't call them 4E games. (; |
| 17:17.09 | SRabbelier | sfb: heheh, ah, I see |
| 17:17.23 | ruzette | sfb: X has a zing factor to it. hehe |
| 17:17.30 | sfb | I suppose it does. |
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| 17:17.35 | SRabbelier | buzzwords ftw |
| 17:18.00 | schumaml | I've yet to see such a game that does not suck for the more casual players, though |
| 17:18.18 | JJanz | Nyone could give me a hand? |
| 17:18.22 | JJanz | Anyone |
| 17:18.43 | schumaml | isn't the "get up at 3am to save $planet" type of person |
| 17:19.02 | hypa7ia | JJanz: patience. if the institution you're attending is accredited in your country, i don't see why you'd be ineligible |
| 17:19.16 | homunq | JJanz: I think "master" |
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| 17:20.10 | homunq | !around |
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| 17:20.11 | ruzette | jjanz: if you're enrolled as a students until April 20 then you'll be eligible in joining the summer of code, methinks |
| 17:20.14 | hypa7ia | JJanz: does the specialization lead to a degree, or a change to your undergraduate degree? |
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| 17:20.47 | JJanz | hypa7ia: Gives me a specialist degree. |
| 17:20.52 | ruzette | *as a student |
| 17:21.09 | hypa7ia | JJanz: sounds like it would be eligible |
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| 17:21.45 | JJanz | hypa7ia: However, in my country it's not a mastre degree. |
| 17:22.10 | JJanz | hypa7ia: A master degree is a separate one. |
| 17:22.45 | JJanz | hypa7ia: And is far from being a phd ... |
| 17:22.46 | ruzette | jjanz: it's like a short course, isn't it? |
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| 17:22.54 | JJanz | 2 years. |
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| 17:23.08 | jankishe | hi i am new to this |
| 17:23.10 | homunq | !learn around as If you have a question, ask it. If you have something that you need to tell our gracious channel master, email it. Please do not ping her until you've stated your question and the channel can't answer it. |
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| 17:23.20 | jankishe | can some one please help me understand GSOC |
| 17:23.30 | Catfish_Man | !faq |
| 17:23.30 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 17:23.33 | smtms | jankishe, do you have a specific question? |
| 17:23.43 | Catfish_Man | jankishe: reading the faq is a great place to start :) |
| 17:23.50 | jankishe | yes, I have a good experienc ein pattern recognition algorithms |
| 17:23.51 | JJanz | hypa7ia: it's a 2 years course. |
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| 17:23.57 | jankishe | and I saw a project with NCSA |
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| 17:24.50 | jankishe | I dont know how to apply for the project with NCSA. I need help applying for it. Please briefly tell me how to apply thanks |
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| 17:26.00 | JJanz | hypa7ia: Thank you, anyway. I think I'll go with Master and see what happens ... |
| 17:26.34 | smtms | jankishe, have you read all the relevant answers in the FAQ? |
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| 17:27.51 | jankishe | I read all the questions and answers in FAQ, the thing that really i cannot understand is, The project with NCSA tals about working on pattern recognition algorithms, Do i need to propose my own project or do I need to use the algorithms I learnt previously or Do i have work with a different algorithm this time. there is no clear explanation about it. please some one reply, thank you very much |
| 17:27.52 | andrecastelo | !timeline |
| 17:27.52 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 17:28.27 | hypa7ia | jankishe: sounds like you need to ask NCSA that question |
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| 17:28.58 | JJanz | You all, before I try to use Master as option for my specialization course, anyone here is a brazilian and would know *exactly* what these kind of course would fit in (or if doesn't at all)? |
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| 17:29.28 | jankishe | oh ok thanks hypa7ia, I would try to find the IRC channel of that mentor org |
| 17:30.01 | hypa7ia | jankishe: or contact whatever email address they list on their org page |
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| 17:30.46 | hypa7ia | JJanz: what is te specialization called? |
| 17:30.52 | hypa7ia | errr "the" |
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| 17:31.21 | ajaksu | JJanz: what are the postgrad options? our (brazilian) 'specialization' courses are considered 'latu sensu' postgrad, whereas master is 'strictu sensu' IIRC |
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| 17:32.18 | JJanz | ajaksu: Exactly! But there's only undergraduate, master and phd as options when applying as student. |
| 17:32.48 | JJanz | ajaksu: In which one does it fit? |
| 17:33.02 | ajaksu | JJanz: no idea :/ |
| 17:33.11 | JJanz | hypa7ia: Interaction Design |
| 17:33.40 | ajaksu | I'd go with undergrad if only to avoid 'hey, you told us you were a master' issues |
| 17:33.41 | mixrin | !next |
| 17:33.41 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
| 17:33.41 | hypa7ia | but what is the type of degree, JJanz |
| 17:34.07 | JJanz | hypa7ia: I see it as part of a Design master degree. |
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| 17:34.58 | JJanz | hypa7ia: That's the deal. In Brazil, it's called specialization (a latu sensu postgraduation). |
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| 17:35.33 | JJanz | hypa7ia: And a master degree is a strictu sensu post graduation. |
| 17:36.07 | JJanz | hypa7ia: The degree of someone that coursed a specialization is a specialist here. |
| 17:36.36 | ajaksu | hypa7ia: specialization means a shorter course, with less requirements (both on the student and on the institution, so there are many more places to get a specialization than a master degree) |
| 17:36.59 | JJanz | ajaksu: Thanks. |
| 17:37.37 | ajaksu | btw, if you fail on some of your masters requirement, you can still ask for a specialist degree for having met the others (at least in my university, unb, it works like that) |
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| 17:38.17 | ajaksu | so it's not equivalent to master, but it IS a postgrad, so undergrad is wrong too! |
| 17:38.27 | porter1 | What's the time dedication like for student projects? Is it basically whenever you're available to work on the project, and enough to finish? |
| 17:38.38 | JJanz | ajaksu: Yes! |
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| 17:38.49 | hypa7ia | porter1: most projects expect you to work full time, as if it were a summer job, |
| 17:39.04 | porter1 | Thanks hypa7ia |
| 17:39.15 | hypa7ia | :) |
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| 17:39.26 | JJanz | hypa7ia: What ajaksu just said give you any hint to help me? |
| 17:39.53 | ajaksu | JJanz: to make matters more confused, in England for example master is one year without a presentation in front of a judging comitee :) |
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| 17:40.08 | ajaksu | SRabbelier: ping? |
| 17:40.19 | hypa7ia | JJanz: somewhat. if you have a Bacharel already, i'd put masters. |
| 17:40.33 | JJanz | hypa7ia: Yes. I am. |
| 17:40.45 | SRabbelier | ajaksu: pong...? |
| 17:40.48 | Erant | bacharel? bachelor? |
| 17:41.20 | JJanz | But couldn't I fall in something like "Hey" You told us you're a Master!" and fail? ... |
| 17:41.35 | Erant | What does it matter :/ |
| 17:41.38 | JJanz | hypa7ia: But couldn't I fall in something like "Hey" You told us you're a Master!" and fail? ... |
| 17:41.49 | rohananil | JJanz: never :) |
| 17:42.18 | JJanz | rohananil: Really? |
| 17:42.18 | hypa7ia | JJanz: maybe consider putting a note in your application that you think masters' is the closest to what you're doing, as it's a post-graduate degree |
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| 17:42.34 | ajaksu | SRabbelier: do you know how JJanz should proceed? here in Brazil we have 'specializations', which are a postgrad with less requirements than master degree (but equivalent to master in, e.g., England)... would he have any trouble if he put 'master' in his profile and the degree said 'specialist' ? |
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| 17:42.58 | JJanz | hypa7ia: That's a good idea, hypa7ia. |
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| 17:43.03 | rohananil | if you complete your work , how does it matter, ( if your degree is close to masters , and you are not sure ) |
| 17:43.16 | SRabbelier | ajaksu: I'm not sure, and I think lh would tell him to ask his institution |
| 17:43.23 | mixrin | can i use as public name my nickname (i'am not an adult)? |
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| 17:43.30 | mixrin | i'am signing up |
| 17:43.33 | Mek | isn't the degree only used for statistical purposes? |
| 17:43.47 | josip | Hello, what is the estimated number of hours I'll have to spend on gsoc per week? |
| 17:43.49 | SRabbelier | ajaksu: that is, whether they are an "accredited institution" |
| 17:43.54 | josip | I can't find it in the FAQ |
| 17:43.58 | SRabbelier | josip: ask your org |
| 17:44.01 | SRabbelier | josip: !askyourorg |
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| 17:44.06 | SRabbelier | !askyourorg |
| 17:44.06 | socinfo | "askyourorg" is You should ask the organization you are interested in applying as this varies per organization. |
| 17:44.17 | josip | is there a rough estimate? |
| 17:44.17 | SRabbelier | meh, well that sure failed with being less hassle than just typing it |
| 17:44.22 | hypa7ia | josip: most organizations are asking you to treat GSoC as a full-time job |
| 17:44.23 | SRabbelier | josip: 20-60h |
| 17:44.27 | ajaksu | SRabbelier: his institution will clearly claim it's a specialization, not master nor undergrad... they are an accredited institution, that I'm sure :) |
| 17:44.28 | hypa7ia | so, ~40 hours per week |
| 17:44.40 | SRabbelier | ajaksu: then the faq is fairly clear, no? |
| 17:44.40 | schumaml | mixrin: you did read the minimum age requirement? |
| 17:44.54 | SRabbelier | ajaksu: "Google defines a student as an individual enrolled in or accepted into an accredited institution [...]" |
| 17:44.59 | JJanz | SRabbelier: Yes, what ajaksu just said is right. |
| 17:45.05 | mixrin | schumaml, of coursee |
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| 17:45.15 | ajaksu | <JJanz> ajaksu: Exactly! But there's only undergraduate, master and phd as options when applying as student. |
| 17:45.22 | SRabbelier | I wonder what's wrong with me today, I'm going as far as to quoting the Faq 0.o |
| 17:45.30 | mixrin | i think i'am misunderstood "Please do not use your real name if you are a minor (not an adult) where you live." |
| 17:45.46 | SRabbelier | ajaksu: ah, it does say "Â (but not necessarily limited to)Â " |
| 17:46.15 | schumaml | never understood such hints |
| 17:46.17 | SRabbelier | ajaksu: I guess it's a 'bug' in Melange that we don't have an 'other' option, maybe? |
| 17:46.18 | ajaksu | wait... JJanz, is the problem about eligibility or filling the form? |
| 17:46.24 | schumaml | but I've grown up in the pre-internet days |
| 17:46.26 | JJanz | Both |
| 17:46.30 | SRabbelier | schumaml: : what hints? |
| 17:46.34 | JJanz | ajaksu: both |
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| 17:46.56 | schumaml | not using real name if you're not an adult |
| 17:46.57 | ajaksu | JJanz: eligibility: you're damn sure eligible :) |
| 17:47.00 | SRabbelier | JJanz: you are ellegible for sure if your uni is an accredited institution |
| 17:47.10 | JJanz | ajaksu: I need to fill in the form and don't want to fail in elegibility 'cause of the degree. |
| 17:47.13 | SRabbelier | JJanz: what you should fill in the web-app though, is something you'd best ask lh |
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| 17:47.29 | SRabbelier | JJanz: I doubt it'll be a problem, just ask/mail lh about it |
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| 17:47.59 | ajaksu | SRabbelier: I think so! 'other postgrad' and 'other undergrad', maybe? with a textarea for explaining the mess? :) |
| 17:48.05 | JJanz | SRabbelier: Sorry about the ignorance: What (or who) is lh? |
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| 17:48.41 | SRabbelier | !lh |
| 17:48.42 | socinfo | "lh" is (#1) Lighthearted Hippy, or (#2) Lady Hawthorn, or (#3) a zen experience to be hugged by!, or (#4) LOVE!, or (#5) lovingly happy, or (#6) free as in freedom!, or (#7) Loathes Harkonnen, or (#8) magic, or (#9) pillar of patience, or (#10) the most awesome woman to ever walk the earth, or (#11) superwoman with superhuman powers, or (#12) living human |
| 17:48.44 | ajaksu | JJanz: Leslie, the heart of gsoc |
| 17:48.53 | SRabbelier | mhhhh |
| 17:48.58 | SRabbelier | socinfo: forget lh |
| 17:48.58 | socinfo | Error: 12 factoids have that key. Please specify which one to remove, or use * to designate all of them. |
| 17:49.09 | SRabbelier | socinfo: forget lh * |
| 17:49.09 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 17:49.30 | ajaksu | JJanz: http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/03/reminder-applications-for-google-summer.html |
| 17:49.34 | JJanz | ajaksu: Ooooooh! |
| 17:49.43 | SRabbelier | goes to look up a better description of lh |
| 17:50.42 | ajaksu | JJanz: put undergrad there, as it's safe and sure, then upgrade to master if lh says it's better :) |
| 17:50.45 | SRabbelier | socinfo: learn lh as Leslie Hawthorn, Program Manager - Open Source; Geek Herder extraordinaire. This is who you turn to if you have very specific questions about GSoC whose answer applies only to you. |
| 17:50.45 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 17:50.48 | SRabbelier | something like that? |
| 17:51.00 | JJanz | is ashamed for not knowing who lh was ... |
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| 17:52.00 | SRabbelier | JJanz: hehe, you should be! |
| 17:52.07 | ajaksu | JJanz: not a problem, but I suggest you read her words of wisdom: http://www.hawthornlandings.org/ |
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| 17:53.09 | JJanz | ajaksy, SRabbelier, hypa7ia and whoever else helped me: Thaks a lot. |
| 17:53.32 | JJanz | I'm gona follow ajaksu's hint and talk to lh. |
| 17:53.36 | ajaksu | JJanz: you're welcome, de nada e boa sorte! :) |
| 17:53.54 | JJanz | is happy to know who lh is! ;-) |
| 17:53.55 | SRabbelier | JJanz: good luck |
| 17:54.06 | JJanz | Thank you all, guys. |
| 17:54.14 | JJanz | I gotta leave now. |
| 17:54.21 | JJanz | But you all were great help. |
| 17:54.23 | JJanz | So long. |
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| 17:57.30 | ajaksu | I think I read somewhere google is asking students to apply early and work on the application once it's in the http://socghop.appspot.com/ system, but can't find it :/ |
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| 17:58.27 | icez | ajaksu, Programs -> GSoC 2009 -> List my Student Proposals on the left menu, if you're signed in |
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| 17:59.12 | ajaksu | icez: sorry, I meant 'was there a call for applying early? where?', I'm not a student :) |
| 17:59.31 | icez | ah |
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| 18:00.28 | schumaml | ajain: the general discussion list |
| 18:00.32 | schumaml | err |
| 18:00.35 | schumaml | ajaksu: |
| 18:01.34 | ajaksu | schumaml: thanks! :) |
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| 18:03.50 | casinaroyale | !next |
| 18:03.51 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
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| 18:07.42 | RAVINDRA | hi |
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| 18:10.02 | ajaksu | regarding my 'was there a call for applying early? where?' questions: any chance it was on the students list? can't find it in the gsoc-discuss list :/ |
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| 18:13.00 | Lennie|Gone | ajaksu, I think it was in the suggestions list on the gsoc wiki |
| 18:13.04 | Lennie | !wiki |
| 18:13.05 | socinfo | "wiki" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/w/list |
| 18:13.05 | Lennie | ? |
| 18:13.30 | Lennie | http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents |
| 18:13.36 | Nightrose | ajaksu: it had ***Very Important*** in the subject |
| 18:14.08 | mixrin | can i later edit my 'student' form? |
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| 18:14.16 | mixrin | after submitting |
| 18:14.20 | SRabbelier | Nightrose: it's on the mentor ml |
| 18:14.23 | SRabbelier | mixrin: yes |
| 18:14.39 | mixrin | SRabbelier, thanks |
| 18:14.56 | SRabbelier | ajaksu: but yes, there was a call for applying |
| 18:15.14 | SRabbelier | ajaksu: orgs are supposed to tell their students to apply if they have a proposal in the pipeline |
| 18:15.21 | ajaksu | Nightrose: http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss/msg/69e506a0447c1061 ? |
| 18:16.25 | ajaksu | SRabbelier: that's why I'm looking for the call, to show it to our org and see if we're doing it as suggested :) |
| 18:16.40 | SRabbelier | ajaksu: I can link to the mentor topic, but you won't be able to see it |
| 18:16.45 | SRabbelier | ajaksu: your mentoring org will though |
| 18:17.03 | ajaksu | SRabbelier: good enough :) |
| 18:17.23 | Nightrose | ajain: nope - as SRabbelier said it was on the mentor list - i just thought it was also send to the students list |
| 18:18.16 | SRabbelier | ajaksu: http://tinyurl.com/cycazc |
| 18:18.32 | ajaksu | Nightrose: I think it would be great to have it on the students list (and on a google blog post too), should we poke lh about it? |
| 18:18.54 | Nightrose | heh you just did so... ;-) |
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| 18:20.02 | ajaksu | oops |
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| 18:20.40 | ajaksu | unpokes lh until we decide on poking or not :D |
| 18:20.57 | SRabbelier | ajaksu: yeah, we might as well |
| 18:21.00 | Nightrose | haha |
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| 18:21.37 | Nightrose | anyway - need to go learn for my exam tomorrow - laters |
| 18:21.44 | ajaksu | sets poker to 60% and rising |
| 18:22.03 | ajaksu | see ya Nightrose, thanks for the help :) |
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| 18:23.27 | pfoetchen | is there an overview somewhere how many students already sumitted their applications ? |
| 18:23.30 | lh | i got pinged? |
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| 18:25.07 | SRabbelier | pfoetchen: we have one, yes |
| 18:25.10 | kblin | lh: yeah, got a moment for a pm? |
| 18:25.13 | SRabbelier | pfoetchen: (sortof) |
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| 18:25.20 | ajaksu | lh: I was trying to find the 'apply early, discuss and edit the application after' call (http://tinyurl.com/cycazc ) |
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| 18:25.53 | HanzZ | !next |
| 18:25.53 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
| 18:25.54 | ajaksu | lh: so, regarding the call: " <ajaksu> Nightrose: I think it would be great to have it on the students list (and on a google blog post too), should we poke lh about it?" |
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| 18:31.05 | lh | ajaksu: i need full context please |
| 18:31.39 | SRabbelier | lh: your post on the mentor ML |
| 18:31.44 | SRabbelier | lh: the **important*** one |
| 18:31.45 | ajaksu | lh: is pm ok? |
| 18:32.06 | SRabbelier | lh: whether it should/will be posted to the student list too |
| 18:32.20 | ajaksu | lh: or what SRabbelier says :) |
| 18:32.24 | SRabbelier | xD |
| 18:32.25 | lh | SRabbelier: you mean the private students list or the discussion list? |
| 18:32.37 | SRabbelier | lh: I reckon the announce list, actually |
| 18:32.41 | lh | if you think we should post it on the discussion list, i am willing to write up something like it for the students list |
| 18:32.51 | lh | i can mirror a post on the discussion list on the announcement list sure |
| 18:33.03 | lh | ok i need to do something right now, hang on a bit |
| 18:33.04 | SRabbelier | lh: I think that'd be good |
| 18:33.12 | SRabbelier | lh: no hurries :) |
| 18:33.39 | Arc | does anyone know why some apps are showing up in the ineligible stack? |
| 18:34.01 | Arc | there doesn't seem to be any ratings on them and the "mark as ineligible" button is active |
| 18:34.12 | ajaksu | Arc: country/age? |
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| 18:34.55 | SRabbelier | Arc: the student probably withdrew the application |
| 18:35.00 | Arc | ah ok |
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| 18:36.13 | r0bby | i withdrew one of mine. |
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| 18:36.38 | Upthorn | SRabbelier: you don't think CADIE looked into the applicants background and found a disqualifying factor? |
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| 18:38.10 | Catfish_Man | Upthorn: CADIE is far above such trivial concerns by now |
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| 18:38.53 | Upthorn | Catfish_Man: yes, because she already completed the task. |
| 18:39.06 | Catfish_Man | along with simulations of all possible alternatives, yes |
| 18:39.07 | Upthorn | many billions of cycles ago |
| 18:39.08 | Wolf_OSGeo | !next |
| 18:39.09 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
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| 18:39.52 | Lennie | I wonder, should we remove all organziations and run GSoC only for orgs running INTERCAL :):? |
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| 18:43.12 | dho_plan9 | Lennie: nah, only for those running malbolge. |
| 18:43.15 | ajaksu | Lennie: I thought it was already decided that [april fools joke about gsoc removed: too cruel, students and mentors don't need any more stress] and that [likewise] |
| 18:43.26 | lh | thinks the april fool's day joke is not very amusing |
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| 18:43.54 | dberkholz | most of them aren't |
| 18:43.57 | Catfish_Man | lh: I thought CADIE was rather well done |
| 18:44.01 | Catfish_Man | particularly the blog page |
| 18:44.14 | dho_plan9 | didn't see said joke |
| 18:44.23 | lh | Catfish_Man: too each their own |
| 18:44.41 | joeyadams | Was there an April Fools joke for GSoC? |
| 18:44.59 | lh | joeyadams: nah. |
| 18:45.04 | bobbens | changed licenses to WTFPL last year |
| 18:45.07 | ajaksu | joeyadams: not that I know of, I was going to make one but felt it was cruel |
| 18:45.19 | Ori_B | joeyadams: nah, SoC was an elaborate april fool's joke |
| 18:45.23 | ajaksu | better safe than sorry :) |
| 18:45.26 | Ori_B | it's not actually happening this year. |
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| 18:45.34 | kblin | sighs |
| 18:45.35 | Ori_B | *ducks* |
| 18:45.42 | joeyadams | lol |
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| 18:46.06 | joeyadams | throws pythons at Ori_B |
| 18:46.25 | caden | i don't like the april fools joke because i'm still trying to get my family not to call me cadie |
| 18:46.25 | kblin | here, have my rather angry mascot wombat |
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| 18:46.50 | caden | kblin-- are you UW-Sheboygan?? |
| 18:47.44 | codestr0m | possibly a small error in the socghop app.. I've resigned as a mentor and while I can't see the Student proposals. it gave me the error "There is no such active entity. " and the org is still in my list.. not sure if it matter or how to remove it totally |
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| 18:48.59 | caden | kblin: ahh... their mascot is the wombat |
| 18:49.00 | theDigitalAngel | Anyone from Audacity here? |
| 18:49.07 | theDigitalAngel | I had a doubt ... |
| 18:49.08 | caden | !anyone |
| 18:49.08 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
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| 18:49.34 | caden | does that help, theDigitalAngel? |
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| 18:49.54 | theDigitalAngel | Nah .. no-ones responding on ther IRC channel |
| 18:49.59 | kblin | caden: http://wombat.worldforge.org/ |
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| 18:50.03 | theDigitalAngel | *their IRC channel |
| 18:50.24 | caden | do they have a mailing list? you may have to give them a little while if they're busy' |
| 18:50.51 | theDigitalAngel | caden: Yeah ... I guess I'll wait for another half hour or so |
| 18:50.54 | caden | kblin: is there a faq associated with this page? |
| 18:51.02 | theDigitalAngel | caden: Then I'll try their mailing list. |
| 18:51.25 | caden | theDigitalAngel: if you can, just leave your IRC idling too because they may answer in the channel and then you'll have it logged |
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| 18:51.40 | theDigitalAngel | caden: Thats the idea... |
| 18:51.45 | caden | :) |
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| 18:52.32 | kblin | caden: there's the "View Wombat documentation" link |
| 18:52.59 | caden | kblin: you mean that big link under the biggest icon on the page? why didn't i see that :) |
| 18:53.19 | harlan | So is there an easy way for an admin to become a mentor that does not involve a lot of retyping? |
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| 18:53.43 | kblin | yeah |
| 18:53.45 | caden | do you object to a lot of cutting and pasting :) |
| 18:53.55 | kblin | what caden said :) |
| 18:54.13 | kblin | harlan: alternatively, you can fix melange |
| 18:54.34 | kblin | there's a feature request out for that |
| 18:54.58 | harlan | 'k, thanks. |
| 18:56.02 | MatthewWilkes | mithro: I can't decide if you win at april fools or if you actually do have single player |
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| 19:06.44 | Kamlesh_IRC | Hello |
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| 19:06.54 | kblin | hi |
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| 19:07.34 | kannan | hi |
| 19:07.42 | Kamlesh_IRC | Kem chho? |
| 19:07.58 | Kamlesh_IRC | Anyone from Gujarat? |
| 19:08.17 | kannan | is this is google summer of code freenode.. |
| 19:08.23 | Catfish_Man | it is |
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| 19:12.25 | codestasher | !timeline |
| 19:12.26 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 19:12.37 | lh | ok announcement post went out |
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| 19:13.28 | jankishe | <Kamlesh_IRC>: if you are looking for people from India join #gsoc-india |
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| 19:18.58 | VarmVaffel | if I have no previous experience with coding in open source projects |
| 19:19.11 | VarmVaffel | and are only familiar with developing on windows |
| 19:19.21 | VarmVaffel | is the google soc anything for me? |
| 19:19.47 | VarmVaffel | cos like 90% of the apps seem to be seated mainly on unix/open source systems |
| 19:19.48 | pfoetchen | there are also windows projects |
| 19:20.21 | VarmVaffel | hm ok |
| 19:20.24 | casinaroyale | !orgbylang |
| 19:20.24 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
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| 19:20.33 | casinaroyale | VarmVaffel: check this out |
| 19:21.21 | VarmVaffel | that was a nice overview |
| 19:21.22 | VarmVaffel | thanks |
| 19:21.30 | kblin | there's winlibre, and probably lots of others that also run on windows |
| 19:21.43 | kblin | I know WorldForge clients run on Windows |
| 19:21.50 | VarmVaffel | ok |
| 19:23.09 | kblin | Wine and Samba would be a little less useful on Windows, even though I could come up with some uses |
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| 19:26.14 | lh | if someone politely responds to "about applications" as just sent to the discussion list, i will be most grateful. |
| 19:26.22 | lh | is not sure how to respond to this one politely. |
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| 19:26.33 | anothy_x | even we at plan9 have at least one windows project, although it's fairly advanced, and plausibly another which should be a bit easier. |
| 19:27.26 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Happy to |
| 19:27.28 | ajaksu | lh: thanks a lot for http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/browse_thread/thread/97c50792a6c36e22 :) |
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| 19:27.52 | lh | MatthewWilkes: thank you |
| 19:27.55 | lh | ajaksu: np |
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| 19:28.56 | summatusmentis | hi lh |
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| 19:29.28 | lh | summatusmentis: greets |
| 19:29.32 | summatusmentis | howsit? |
| 19:29.34 | summatusmentis | !faq |
| 19:29.34 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
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| 19:30.55 | ArthurLiu | lh, greetings |
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| 19:31.23 | lh | ArthurLiu: and to you |
| 19:31.31 | lh | summatusmentis: awesome really. you? |
| 19:31.53 | zooko | Howdy, lh! |
| 19:31.58 | zooko | Howdy, summatusmentis! |
| 19:32.02 | summatusmentis | lh: less than awesome, sick, and way too busy :) |
| 19:32.04 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Done - probably exhibited more patience than usual! |
| 19:32.08 | summatusmentis | how're you zooko ? |
| 19:32.19 | mustardhamsters | Hello all. |
| 19:32.25 | ArthurLiu | deadline coming quick, I hope I won't die of exhaustion before, managing all these proposals >< |
| 19:32.53 | lh | MatthewWilkes: thanks you're lovely |
| 19:32.57 | ajaksu | lh: if you need a tinyurl (I'm using it on a forward) -> http://tinyurl.com/apply-early-for-GSoC |
| 19:33.01 | mustardhamsters | Are we allowed to submit twenty proposals total, and one will get chosen for one organization? |
| 19:33.12 | lh | summatusmentis: i am sorry you are unwell. have you heard the special magic healing tea recipe story? |
| 19:33.18 | lh | ajaksu: i do need it thanks |
| 19:33.21 | lh | goes to twitter |
| 19:33.25 | ArthurLiu | mustardhamsters, you *can* submit 20, not that it's a good idea |
| 19:33.39 | mustardhamsters | Right, but can I submit to multiple organizations. |
| 19:33.42 | ArthurLiu | mustardhamsters, 20 for one org is ok |
| 19:33.45 | summatusmentis | lh: special magic healing tea recipe? Where does one find such a thing? |
| 19:33.51 | mustardhamsters | Or will only one organization get the proposal? |
| 19:33.52 | lh | summatusmentis: hang on will send |
| 19:33.53 | ArthurLiu | or 1 for each of 20 orgs |
| 19:33.57 | zooko | summatusmentis: just returned from PyCon. Learned that PSF changed policy (or I newly learned about the correct policy) and now it *is* possible that a PSF GSoC slot could sponsor a student to have on Tahoe this summer. |
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| 19:34.10 | zooko | So now I'm busily trying to contact students at the last minute. :-/ |
| 19:34.20 | lh | zooko: you will find them, trust me |
| 19:34.23 | mustardhamsters | Ah, so they'll all be considered by each organization, there's no higher level filter |
| 19:34.27 | mustardhamsters | Good. |
| 19:35.16 | mafm | lh: pm allowed? :) |
| 19:35.26 | lh | mafm: in 10 minutes |
| 19:35.28 | ArthurLiu | we have very shiny proposals with mentors popping up at the last minute, people should remember to check regularly the org page for new ideas |
| 19:35.38 | mafm | oki |
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| 19:42.06 | maco | 2 years ago, we (students) were expected to have some sort of resume-type thing (I used my wiki.ubuntu.com page)...is that still one of the things to do for SoC? I didn't see it listed, but I might've missed... |
| 19:42.56 | hypa7ia | maco: not all projects are requiring it any more; we just ask for students to fill out the Melange form, optionally attaching their resume |
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| 19:43.35 | kblin | maco: I'd prefer if people used my application templates |
| 19:44.04 | maco | where are they? |
| 19:44.13 | ArthurLiu | resumes are by definition easy to copy-paste.. |
| 19:44.15 | hypa7ia | maco: application templates are on the org pages |
| 19:44.23 | maco | oh ok thanks |
| 19:44.34 | hypa7ia | http://socghop.appspot.com/org/show/google/gsoc2009/$orgname |
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| 19:46.37 | maco | thanks again |
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| 19:52.20 | ravenlock | can a student who has submitted a proposal revise it after the 3rd? |
| 19:52.35 | summatusmentis | I don't believe so |
| 19:52.45 | ravenlock | kk. my thoughts too. just could not remember. |
| 19:52.45 | SRabbelier | ravenlock: you can at least comment on it |
| 19:52.57 | ravenlock | yeah. |
| 19:53.07 | SRabbelier | ravenlock: nothing prevents you from refining it on your orgs mailing list etc. |
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| 19:53.28 | ravenlock | right... but tough to turn a lemon into a winner after the deadline. |
| 19:53.40 | lh | mafm: you're up |
| 19:53.52 | summatusmentis | hypothetically, you could put a new propposal version in the comments :) |
| 19:54.04 | ravenlock | :/ |
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| 19:56.46 | andrecastelo | !extension |
| 19:56.46 | socinfo | "extension" is There is no deadline extension planned at this time. You should not assume that there will be one. |
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| 20:03.51 | gnbd | Hello there |
| 20:04.45 | gnbd | As an Iranian resident and permanent resident of Canada am I eligible to apply for GSoC |
| 20:04.48 | gnbd | ? |
| 20:04.58 | literal | sure, why not? |
| 20:05.09 | gnbd | sorry Iranian national |
| 20:05.12 | literal | oh, wait, I remember something about Iran being troublesome |
| 20:05.13 | orudge | The US has laws against trade with Iran, and so on |
| 20:05.16 | Landon | trade restrictions :) /me has no idea |
| 20:05.20 | gnbd | yes |
| 20:05.21 | lh | gnbd: sorry, you cannot. what orudge says |
| 20:05.26 | jchiu | who want's an MIT student?? |
| 20:05.35 | jchiu | fishes for offers |
| 20:05.48 | gnbd | there is something in FAQ that says Iranian nationals cannot |
| 20:05.51 | rwcr | jchiu: I think you'll have to be more specific towards projects than that :-) |
| 20:05.52 | hypa7ia | jchiu has too many apostrophes :) |
| 20:06.01 | danderson | jchiu: you're also fishing for a kick, including for incorrect use of the possessive form |
| 20:06.04 | lh | jchiu: better off telling folks what you can offer them beyond your leet mit stuffz |
| 20:06.12 | lh | gnbd: the fact is correct |
| 20:06.18 | gnbd | but I am in but there are many iranians working in US companies |
| 20:06.24 | gnbd | so I am in doubt |
| 20:06.32 | hypa7ia | lh: a PR in canada is equivalent to a US green card |
| 20:06.33 | jchiu | hehe, yeah, i just started looking around for projects i might be interested in |
| 20:06.35 | gnbd | lh: so you mean I can not |
| 20:06.39 | gnbd | ? |
| 20:06.41 | danderson | gnbd: you cannot, I'm afraid. |
| 20:06.43 | hypa7ia | so gnbd should be able to work in canada |
| 20:06.48 | lh | gnbd: that is correct. |
| 20:06.52 | hypa7ia | waaaaaaait |
| 20:06.52 | danderson | blame the US trade restriction laws :( |
| 20:07.00 | hypa7ia | it has nothing to do with US trade restrictions |
| 20:07.05 | hypa7ia | gnbd is in Canada |
| 20:07.08 | hypa7ia | and is legal to work here |
| 20:07.13 | danderson | gnbd: but Google is a US company |
| 20:07.15 | gnbd | So what is the reason |
| 20:07.21 | hypa7ia | gnbd: they are wrong |
| 20:07.23 | gnbd | Yes I am living in Canada |
| 20:07.25 | danderson | and thus is subject to US trade laws for people it employs. |
| 20:07.32 | lh | hypa7ia: and we pay out of the USA and the USA imposes trade restrictions that we must comply with |
| 20:07.35 | danderson | (you are a google contractor when you are selected for SoC) |
| 20:07.40 | SRabbelier | hypa7ia: yeah, we are wrong, cos obviously we have no idea what the rules are? |
| 20:07.53 | maruel | eh |
| 20:07.57 | rwcr | hypa7ia: I think by definition it's impossible for lh to be wrong on the rules of GSoC :-) |
| 20:07.57 | SRabbelier | points hypa7ia at the @ prefix to danderson and lh's nicks |
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| 20:08.07 | hypa7ia | i can see that, thanks :) |
| 20:08.20 | SRabbelier | hypa7ia: it's there for a reason :P |
| 20:08.21 | lh | ok look IANAL |
| 20:08.23 | hypa7ia | i'm quite sure that there's no restriction on US contracting of iranian citizens who are legal residents of other countries |
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| 20:08.30 | hypa7ia | like, say, canada |
| 20:08.53 | gnbd | hypa7ia: how I can make sure about this |
| 20:08.54 | hypa7ia | i would think it merits further investigation before just telling gnbd that he/she can't participate |
| 20:09.04 | hypa7ia | gnbd: it would be up to Google's lawyers |
| 20:09.14 | MatthewWilkes | hypa7ia: gnbd cannot participate as it's in the rules. Forget the legal aspect. |
| 20:09.19 | gnbd | but how I can decide given Friday is the deadline |
| 20:09.22 | lh | hypa7ia: i hate to sound like a robototron, but if my legal team tells me we cannot open the program to residents and nationals of certain countries, i listen to them. |
| 20:09.39 | hypa7ia | oh it actually says nationals as separate from residents? |
| 20:09.43 | MatthewWilkes | hypa7ia: If there's a problem the rules may be changed for next year, there simply isn't the timescale for that to happen now, I'd guess |
| 20:09.49 | lh | hypa7ia: t does |
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| 20:09.53 | gnbd | Yes it says national as well |
| 20:09.56 | hypa7ia | what if someone has dual citizenship with US and iran? |
| 20:10.01 | zooko | gnbd: you can hack on my project this summer, but google won't pay you for it. |
| 20:10.03 | SRabbelier | hypa7ia: same |
| 20:10.15 | SRabbelier | zooko: lol, win! :) |
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| 20:10.24 | punchagan | !next |
| 20:10.24 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
| 20:10.26 | smtms | SRabbelier, US citizens are permitted to trade with US citizens, if the latter are also Iranian citizens? |
| 20:10.39 | smtms | SRabbelier, *not* permitted |
| 20:10.56 | hypa7ia | i just know iranian citizens who are also PR (perm residents, like green card) in canada, who work for US firms |
| 20:11.03 | Greg_ | Hi, there is a chance I will be offered another full time job for the summer next week - would I be able to cancel my applications after I've submitted them if I choose that option instead of GSoc? |
| 20:11.04 | gnbd | zooko: who will pay me then? |
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| 20:11.06 | SRabbelier | smtms: whether or not they are also US citizens does not change the fact that they are nationals to a country, no? |
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| 20:11.20 | danderson | hypa7ia: and those firms probably went through a *lot* of crap to get them hired legally, if I know the US govt |
| 20:11.21 | zooko | Seriously, students who don't get Google funding for their summer project, either because of rules restrictions or just because they don't get to be one of the 1000, could consider hacking on something for the benefits of experience and mentorship instead of for money. |
| 20:11.22 | summatusmentis | Greg_: yes, you would |
| 20:11.34 | zooko | gnbd: I'm sorry, I don't have anyone (including me) who can pay you to hack this summer. |
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| 20:12.01 | Greg_ | summatusmentis: thanks |
| 20:12.02 | gnbd | zooko: thanks then, I have projects of that kind |
| 20:12.05 | hypa7ia | danderson: possibly, or the interpretation of the application as being "nationals who are not also residents" might be wrong |
| 20:12.16 | zooko | gnbd: Understood. |
| 20:12.18 | summatusmentis | Greg_: it's sort of mildly annoying from an org standpoint, I would guess |
| 20:12.23 | hypa7ia | danderson: i'm not trying to undermine you, i just thing it merits checking |
| 20:12.28 | lh | Greg_: yes you can do this, but it kinda sucks. warn your would-be mentors. they should be understanding about the situation you're in. what sucks completely is pulling out after you have been accepted. |
| 20:12.37 | danderson | hypa7ia: we don't make up the rules, we do what legal tells us to do |
| 20:12.39 | summatusmentis | Greg_: that said, it's better than being given a slot, and pulling out |
| 20:12.40 | danderson | lh: correct? |
| 20:12.47 | MatthewWilkes | Greg_: If you cancel make sure it happens before they name you as one of their chosen students |
| 20:12.48 | summatusmentis | oh, lh beat me |
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| 20:13.02 | MatthewWilkes | summatusmentis: And you beat me |
| 20:13.13 | summatusmentis | that's just because I'm better than you >_> |
| 20:13.19 | summatusmentis | is a bad person |
| 20:14.00 | lh | danderson: so honestly, i know what all the reasons are for this, but talking about it legally constitutes legal advice, which i can neither legally nor ethically give since i am not a lawyer |
| 20:14.02 | MatthewWilkes | summatusmentis: :( |
| 20:14.03 | lh | so i am just goign to say |
| 20:14.03 | hypa7ia | danderson: i understand that, i'm just /very/ surprised at this interpretation |
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| 20:14.13 | gnbd | hypa7ia: Now you agree that I cannot apply as well? |
| 20:14.15 | danderson | lh: this is true. |
| 20:14.20 | Greg_ | lh: I will know by next Thursday what the other situation is, at that point I will be able to explain the situation to any prospective organisations I applied for. Thanks for the help. |
| 20:14.21 | lh | if my legal team tells me we can't, then we can't. there are good reasons for it. i also realizes that answer isn't satisfying. but it is what it is. |
| 20:14.25 | lh | summatusmentis: eh? |
| 20:14.38 | brlcad | lh: apologies and disregard if many folks keep asking, but what's the overall submission count and unique user submission count looking like thusfar? |
| 20:14.42 | summatusmentis | lh: you just answered the question before I got to that part, no worries |
| 20:14.46 | summatusmentis | MatthewWilkes: <3 <3 |
| 20:14.50 | lh | Greg_: np |
| 20:15.05 | lh | brlcad: no one has asked let me do another read |
| 20:15.06 | gnbd | thanks lh, I just wanted to see if hypa7ia had any further point |
| 20:15.22 | danderson | lh: that's what I was asking to confirm. I wasn't sure if it came from legal, or from hr, or from the shaman on the mountain, or what |
| 20:15.38 | brlcad | cool |
| 20:15.38 | hypa7ia | would an iranian national in the US on a green card be allowed to participate? |
| 20:15.39 | danderson | legal blurbs are like the magic elves in computers to me. I don't know where they come from, and don't much care to :) |
| 20:15.42 | lh | gnbd: i wish i had better news for you, i really do. i have worked really really hard with legal counsel here to see if we can get an exception for GSoC with the appropriate governing bodies in the USA and we couldn't make it happen. |
| 20:15.45 | lh | hypa7ia: no. |
| 20:15.49 | hypa7ia | wow |
| 20:15.54 | lh | it sucks. |
| 20:15.55 | hypa7ia | that would never fly in canada :/ |
| 20:16.03 | lh | america has it's moments. |
| 20:16.16 | summatusmentis | increasing numbers of them, unfortunately |
| 20:16.17 | hypa7ia | once you're a PR in canada you have basically the same rights as a canadian citizen w.r.t employment |
| 20:16.25 | gnbd | lh:thanks understood |
| 20:16.25 | hypa7ia | and most other things |
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| 20:16.56 | lh | gnbd: once again i wish i had better news for you. i know this is suboptimal at best. (translation: it sucks) |
| 20:17.07 | gnbd | :)) |
| 20:17.47 | hypa7ia | ok, i'm just curious and feel free to ignore, but would a canadian/iranian dual citizen be eligible? |
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| 20:18.00 | hypa7ia | if they were living in canada? (i will shut up about this after this question) |
| 20:18.12 | lh | hypa7ia: no. |
| 20:18.16 | freebsd-brooks | when freebsd asked our lawyers about a possible Iranian committer, they said we could deal with nationals, but they had to provide evidence of intent to stay in another country long term like an application for permant residence or purchase of property |
| 20:18.17 | MatthewWilkes | hypa7ia: Iranian nationals are not eligible. At all. Regardless of other factors. |
| 20:18.21 | lh | if you are a citizen or national that's it. |
| 20:19.35 | MatthewWilkes | freebsd-brooks: Indeed, but legal advice differs - only the courts are authoritative. Google's lawyers might have it wrong, but only a legal case could really test that, and as they aren't willing to risk one by offering a place to an iranian national we'll never know. |
| 20:19.42 | kblin | freebsd-brooks: yeah, but lh has to deal with all of this stuff, and lh doesn't scale that well |
| 20:19.56 | lh | mrph. |
| 20:20.10 | kblin | lh: we know you're good, but there's limits |
| 20:20.15 | SRabbelier | kblin: she scales fairly well actually, better than most :P |
| 20:20.31 | hypa7ia | thanks for answering, lh and MatthewWilkes :) |
| 20:20.32 | lh | does not scale infinitely no |
| 20:20.48 | lh | hypa7ia: no problem, i realize it doesn't totally make sense |
| 20:20.48 | SRabbelier | lh: maybe you need to run on Google infrastructure? |
| 20:20.50 | SRabbelier | ducks and runs |
| 20:20.58 | lh | they gave me a desk chair, does that count? |
| 20:21.01 | freebsd-brooks | MatthewWilkes: to be honest I can't imagine trying to make it work for a short term thing like GSoC |
| 20:21.10 | kblin | SRabbelier: but I'd rather see her spend her energy on promoting OSS than dealing with gouvernment paperwork |
| 20:21.19 | hypa7ia | lh: oh it just makes sense in magical US politics land, it just sucks |
| 20:21.34 | SRabbelier | lh: and dual monitors |
| 20:21.35 | brlcad | scales lh 10x so she can get more done |
| 20:21.38 | gnbd | so is this going to CHANGE anytime? |
| 20:21.44 | gnbd | :D |
| 20:21.44 | SRabbelier | kblin: +1 on that |
| 20:21.54 | freebsd-brooks | and I doubt the US gov would actually believe anything said about the permant location of a student |
| 20:21.58 | maco | so if a mentor org is based in iran? |
| 20:22.05 | lh | it does suck. i spent about 15 hours going back and forth with our lawyers on an application to the us govt to get an exception for gsoc. we finally concluded we couldn't get one. |
| 20:22.07 | lh | we tried, we really do. |
| 20:22.12 | kblin | maco: it wouldn't be a mentoring org |
| 20:22.17 | lh | brlcad: um thank you, i think. |
| 20:22.20 | maco | ok then |
| 20:22.24 | gnbd | maco:It sounds like a joke |
| 20:22.35 | maco | marches a few blocks down to the white house |
| 20:22.42 | ajaksu | lh: "lh does not scale infinitely no, but most of time she does give that impression" FTFY :p |
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| 20:22.48 | maco | (not really...i'm still sitting here) |
| 20:23.06 | lh | ajaksu: |
| 20:23.09 | SRabbelier | maco: lol :) |
| 20:23.13 | lh | FTFY? |
| 20:23.21 | lh | urban dictionary definition seems unpleasant in this context. |
| 20:23.28 | ajaksu | 'fixed that for you' :) |
| 20:23.36 | maco | ah |
| 20:23.38 | MatthewWilkes | lh: In my experience urban dictionary is usually unpleasant. |
| 20:23.41 | maco | that's another one that needs to be added to wtf |
| 20:24.07 | maco | wtf, at least in debian, should have all 150 of debian's acronyms |
| 20:24.33 | SRabbelier | maco: !define wtf? |
| 20:24.33 | maco | talking to people that know them is hard |
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| 20:24.40 | ajaksu | lh: oops, the urban dictionary meaning is new to me, in a bad way, sorry for that :/ |
| 20:24.41 | lh | ajaksu: ah lovely |
| 20:24.46 | lh | ajaksu: all good |
| 20:24.48 | maco | SRabbelier: wtf is a binary in the bsdgames package. it defines acronyms |
| 20:25.03 | Catfish_Man | wtf is a namespace in the webkit code |
| 20:25.25 | SRabbelier | maco: fancy :) |
| 20:25.33 | SRabbelier | Catfish_Man: ok, that's just too awesome :P |
| 20:25.37 | danderson | hehe |
| 20:25.41 | danderson | google has a 'subtle' namespace |
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| 20:25.47 | SRabbelier | Catfish_Man: I'm so glad I'm running Chrome, now I can say I'm powered by WTF! |
| 20:25.54 | danderson | containing memory fence functions and other atomic black magic |
| 20:26.04 | maco | that's ok, gnome has liboobs |
| 20:26.05 | Catfish_Man | SRabbelier: technically it means "web template framework", but we all know what it really is |
| 20:26.14 | danderson | along with a long comment that basically says "Even if you think you understand it, you really don't. Don't touch it." |
| 20:26.18 | SRabbelier | maco: heheh, win :P |
| 20:26.20 | ajaksu | FWIW http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/FTFY :) |
| 20:26.25 | SRabbelier | Catfish_Man: heheh, indeed, indeed |
| 20:26.35 | SRabbelier | danderson: LOL! :D |
| 20:26.55 | MatthewWilkes | We have wft = workflow tool, and somebody made a package that export/imports its settings from csv rather than the standard xml, which he called wft |
| 20:27.05 | MatthewWilkes | wtf* |
| 20:27.07 | MatthewWilkes | :S |
| 20:27.12 | lh | current # of students registered on socghopappspot.com - 4295 (which is up 600 or so from yesterday) |
| 20:27.23 | maco | MatthewWilkes: workflow tool? thats out of order... |
| 20:27.38 | LaurieJ | lh: that sounds like a good number to me. Great work! |
| 20:27.39 | lh | # of student proposals submitted to socghopappsot.com - 2450 (which is up another 600 or so since yesterday) |
| 20:27.44 | lh | this makes no fing sense to me |
| 20:27.47 | lh | well it sorta does |
| 20:27.55 | Catfish_Man | lh: um. I'm one of the ones that didn't submit a proposal yet ;) |
| 20:27.56 | MatthewWilkes | maco: workflow tool = wft, csv importer = wtf |
| 20:27.59 | lh | i think the lower # of proposals is a combination of |
| 20:28.03 | Catfish_Man | (I got the account 'cause we might ahve been applying as an org) |
| 20:28.06 | Catfish_Man | *have |
| 20:28.07 | LaurieJ | lh: my org has had about 12 enquiries which haven't turned into apps yet |
| 20:28.08 | lh | 1) student procrastination a la Catfish_Man |
| 20:28.10 | lh | :) |
| 20:28.19 | lh | LaurieJ: tell 'em to apply. drafts are OK! |
| 20:28.21 | maco | MatthewWilkes: ah ok |
| 20:28.28 | Catfish_Man | hey, I'm not procrastinating. I got it *in advance* in case I needed it :P |
| 20:28.37 | lh | i think proposal #s are also less because more orgs are requiring up front work like patches, etc. |
| 20:28.39 | LaurieJ | lh: have done :) we've also reviewed some drafts offline, as it were, which is fine for us |
| 20:28.42 | lh | which actually i think is a good thing. |
| 20:28.43 | rwcr | lh: How many students have submitted proposals? I know there are usually more proposals than submitting students (last year 7000 vs 3000). |
| 20:28.46 | maco | i havent turned in an app yet |
| 20:28.53 | MatthewWilkes | lh: I've emailed all of our prospectives individually today to tell them just that, should be getting some more soon *hopes* |
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| 20:29.15 | lh | MatthewWilkes: merci |
| 20:29.17 | ajaksu | lh: I'm spreading the call for application, but the 'apply now' link in the channel title could also refer to it :) |
| 20:29.17 | lh | maco: shame! |
| 20:29.28 | maco | well i know what i'm going to turn in to hypa7ia |
| 20:29.33 | maco | so does she |
| 20:29.41 | lh | LaurieJ: please ask them to put at least a draft into the online app. helps me figure out what's going on in proposal count land |
| 20:29.45 | lh | rwcr: checking |
| 20:29.51 | rwcr | lh: Thanks. |
| 20:29.53 | MatthewWilkes | suddenly remembers he has expensive chocolate in the fridge |
| 20:30.01 | lh | Catfish_Man: nice |
| 20:30.11 | MatthewWilkes | 100% cocoa solids and pistachio :D |
| 20:30.13 | lh | oooo chocolate |
| 20:30.21 | maco | im trying to find gnome & kde people to see if either's interested in me making something so that its nice and easy to switch from one to the other without evolution-data-server and akonadi eating your data |
| 20:30.40 | maco | (guess why my contacts are still in evolution?) |
| 20:31.08 | LaurieJ | lh: thanks for the advice :) enjoy the chocolate |
| 20:31.16 | maco | MatthewWilkes: watch out, pistachios are being recalled |
| 20:31.18 | maco | salmonella |
| 20:31.28 | MatthewWilkes | lh: If you want to come to europython the shop is about 1/2 a mile away ;) |
| 20:31.58 | MatthewWilkes | maco: I'm in england, not milwaukee :) |
| 20:32.06 | lh | LaurieJ: you are most welcome. and alas, the chocolate is in the uk with MatthewWilkes, so i shall enjoy it in spirit only. |
| 20:32.16 | maco | MatthewWilkes: oh ok then |
| 20:32.50 | MatthewWilkes | distributes virtual hotel chocolat products |
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| 20:32.57 | LaurieJ | lh: it's not the only thing in the UK, I am too :) (this is what happens when I don't pay detailed attention!) |
| 20:34.00 | MatthewWilkes | LaurieJ: :) Where abouts are you from? |
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| 20:34.33 | LaurieJ | MatthewWilkes: from Merseyside; In Cambridge. You? |
| 20:34.48 | MatthewWilkes | From Birmingham, in Bristol |
| 20:34.52 | maco | lh: are you going to grace hopper? |
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| 20:35.08 | lh | maco: i believe so yes |
| 20:35.18 | lh | LaurieJ: yay UK! |
| 20:35.49 | MatthewWilkes | LaurieJ: I was just saying earlier today how much I miss the fudge shop opposite king's |
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| 20:35.53 | maco | wonder how wise itd be for me to go to ghc & olf...2 weeks in a row |
| 20:35.57 | WinterMute | is from Carrickfergus: in Portsmouth |
| 20:36.12 | MatthewWilkes | Only been twice, but then I've only been to cambridge twice :) |
| 20:36.25 | maco | smacks gmail imap |
| 20:36.35 | WinterMute | where Carrickfergus is a small town in Northern Ireland ( please, no singing, it's a horrible song :p ) |
| 20:36.52 | rwcr | "I wish I was in Carrickfergus..." <stops> :-) |
| 20:37.04 | LaurieJ | MatthewWilkes: :D I got sick once during my undergrad, eating too much fudge from that shop |
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| 20:37.18 | WinterMute | there's always one! :p |
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| 20:37.39 | kblin | WinterMute: as long as the pub's got beer ;) |
| 20:38.01 | WinterMute | :) |
| 20:38.01 | maco | oh sweet...someone just added vi bindings for alsamixer |
| 20:38.25 | LaurieJ | maco: GHC is an amazing event and you should definitely go. I've only been once, and it was superb |
| 20:38.40 | MatthewWilkes | WinterMute: "Ich wünscht ich wär in Carrickfergus" |
| 20:38.41 | hypa7ia | i want to go to GHC and talk about hackerspaces :D |
| 20:38.59 | MatthewWilkes | WinterMute: I've only got it in german by a Mittelalterrock band ;) |
| 20:39.35 | kblin | MatthewWilkes: which one? |
| 20:39.37 | WinterMute | omfg |
| 20:39.48 | MatthewWilkes | LaurieJ: Only once? You just have to walk in and want to spend your whole overdraught |
| 20:40.00 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: Subway To Sally, it's on MCMXCV |
| 20:40.07 | kblin | nice |
| 20:40.14 | maco | i gotta apply for GHC sponsorship. the fact that i couldt come up with a talk topic in time for CFP will mak this harder |
| 20:40.18 | kblin | sends his gf to check it out |
| 20:40.29 | kblin | MatthewWilkes: she's into that stuff |
| 20:40.41 | Erant | hypa7ia: Hackerspaces ftw. |
| 20:40.49 | Erant | hypa7ia: Not too many in the Netherlands though |
| 20:41.06 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: Indeed, I vaguely remember you mentioning it once when I was happy about the range on a podcast I listen to |
| 20:42.07 | maco | i was just explaining hackerspaces to our acm chapter last night |
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| 20:42.08 | MatthewWilkes | Hmm, I really must do somework on my StS website |
| 20:42.09 | Erant | The best hackerspace I ever saw was c-base, obv. |
| 20:42.10 | maco | i said i needed to get pick up crystal to fix my watch at hacdc. someone thought it was a shop. "only if you mean WORKshop" "huh?" "soldering irons, breadboards, wire..." |
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| 20:42.19 | MatthewWilkes | Last updated May 2007 |
| 20:42.25 | Erant | c-base is the bomb. |
| 20:42.34 | maco | i only saw metalab from the outside unfortunately :( |
| 20:42.55 | maco | my family's not geeks so "oh lets check out this hackerspace while we're in vienna"? not so much |
| 20:43.07 | MatthewWilkes | Oh, actually, there's an idea. Anyone use last.fm? |
| 20:43.14 | anothy_x | i found out about the pistachio recall because my favorite chocolate vendor sent me email saying theirs aren't affected. (sorry for the backtrack) |
| 20:43.27 | anothy_x | i do, on occasion. |
| 20:43.27 | maco | MatthewWilkes: yes |
| 20:43.47 | MatthewWilkes | maco: Fancy a gsoc group? :) |
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| 20:44.51 | lh | applauds the brilliance of this suggestion by matthew wilkes |
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| 20:45.03 | maco | lh, hypa7ia: by the way, if you use linux, cathy malmrose (spoke at SCALE, is in LinuxChix)'s company now sells pink ubuntu-reinstalled ones. and i am sooo jealous because i have the older verison of that model that only came in black or white |
| 20:45.18 | lh | LUG meetings got you down? why not have a monthly GSoCer meetup/hackfest |
| 20:45.32 | kendrick | heh |
| 20:45.34 | kendrick | cries |
| 20:45.35 | lh | maco: i do use linux but eschew pink. |
| 20:45.38 | kendrick | so much tux paint to do |
| 20:45.43 | kendrick | so much baby and work keeping me busy |
| 20:45.46 | lh | kendrick: applications or coding or ? |
| 20:45.53 | lh | comforts kendrick |
| 20:45.58 | kendrick | coding. i'm not doing any gsoc this year. too busy. |
| 20:46.00 | MatthewWilkes | http://www.last.fm/group/GSoC |
| 20:46.13 | lh | MatthewWilkes: ok that's cool too. |
| 20:46.22 | lh | liked her misinterpretation of your idea better |
| 20:46.40 | kendrick | wanders to pick up a copy of today's local paper. my atari party this past weekend was written up! :) bwahaha |
| 20:46.41 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Which is? |
| 20:46.51 | maco | lh: ok so its more suited to pleia2 *shrug* |
| 20:47.10 | lh | monthly gsocer meetups/hackfests regionally |
| 20:47.15 | lh | or weekly |
| 20:47.22 | lh | whatever i dont care, meetup mingle have beer share ideas |
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| 20:48.02 | Chani | blaa. |
| 20:48.07 | andrecastelo | !next |
| 20:48.07 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
| 20:48.08 | pepso | hey, can anyone provide the link of "Documets reqired to apply in the GSOC" |
| 20:48.11 | scorche | yawns |
| 20:48.11 | Erant | I vote for those being in the Netherlands. |
| 20:48.20 | Erant | prods SRabbelier |
| 20:48.24 | Erant | Back me up on this one. |
| 20:48.25 | SRabbelier | Erant: seconded, except for the period of time I'm in the USA |
| 20:48.33 | Erant | Dammit. |
| 20:48.34 | WinterMute | might be tempted by a .nl meetup |
| 20:48.36 | SRabbelier | Erant: in which case, I vote for the USA ones, for obvious reasons |
| 20:48.56 | Erant | SRabbelier: Traitor. |
| 20:48.57 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Ah, right, sorry, I didn't notice the context as it had a space in my name. I'm all for a GSoC meetup, but there's not many of us in Bristol. A couple of potential students this year, maybe a couple of mentors, but I've never come across them |
| 20:48.58 | pepso | hey, can anyone provide the link of "Documets required to apply in the GSOC for student" |
| 20:49.01 | Erant | WinterMute: HAR |
| 20:49.01 | WinterMute | calls dibs on Erant's sofa |
| 20:49.16 | Erant | I highly doubt you want to do that |
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| 20:49.31 | MatthewWilkes | lh: GHOP, on the other hand, there was somebody helping PSF in the same office as me. |
| 20:49.51 | SRabbelier | WinterMute: it's a nice sofa |
| 20:49.52 | Erant | SRabbelier has seen my sofa. And I think he'll agree it's not fit for sleeping on. ;P |
| 20:49.55 | Erant | lol |
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| 20:50.01 | SRabbelier | WinterMute: not for sleeping though |
| 20:50.01 | smtms | when is the next GHOP expected? |
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| 20:50.03 | WinterMute | is it smokeable? |
| 20:50.05 | SRabbelier | WinterMute: definitely not |
| 20:50.05 | WinterMute | :p |
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| 20:50.14 | SRabbelier | smtms: TBA |
| 20:50.17 | Upthorn | pepso: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#student_docs |
| 20:50.18 | MatthewWilkes | lh: I can guarantee if you make it easy for me to find people in Bristol who are doing GSoC I will contact them! |
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| 20:50.27 | Erant | WinterMute: I'm probably going to Hacking at Random though |
| 20:50.31 | MatthewWilkes | hmm, I should submit a patch⦠|
| 20:50.32 | pepso | Upthorn: thanx |
| 20:50.34 | LaurieJ | MatthewWilkes: some kind of high tech location based thing, you want :) |
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| 20:50.50 | MatthewWilkes | LaurieJ: Yeah. Some kind of mapping service. |
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| 20:51.46 | bcarlyon|laptop | PANDAS! |
| 20:52.36 | lh | yes see we needs features social for mealnge |
| 20:52.40 | lh | melange even |
| 20:52.44 | MatthewWilkes | Nightrose: Medium musical compatibility on last.fm - I rarely get anything but "very low" |
| 20:53.04 | Nightrose | MatthewWilkes: \o/ |
| 20:53.06 | Nightrose | ;-) |
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| 20:55.37 | MatthewWilkes | kane77 on the other hand is high! |
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| 20:55.54 | MatthewWilkes | Music you have in common includes Bad Religion, Nine Inch Nails, Jimi Hendrix, System of a Down and Iron Maiden. - Awesome :) |
| 20:56.24 | kane77 | yup, but I have low with Nightrose and anthony :) |
| 20:56.35 | Nightrose | gosh - my profile makes me look quite bad :D |
| 20:56.44 | Nightrose | blames it on Amarok's dynamic playlist |
| 20:56.47 | Nightrose | ;-) |
| 20:56.52 | anothy_x | i don't really trust their statistics. |
| 20:57.04 | Nightrose | i don't choose my music most of the time but let Amarok play whatever it feels like |
| 20:57.15 | anothy_x | which is likely my fault, based on usage (or non-usage) |
| 20:57.21 | Nightrose | (done by my gsoc student last year) \o/ |
| 20:57.23 | Nightrose | rock! |
| 20:57.24 | SRabbelier | Nightrose: that sounds awefully AI like :P |
| 20:57.24 | makmanalp | Nightrose: pshh, excuses, excuses |
| 20:57.32 | Nightrose | SRabbelier: it is actually ;-)( |
| 20:57.42 | SRabbelier | Nightrose: sweet |
| 20:57.57 | MatthewWilkes | Mine's heavily biased by not being able to play dirty industrial when I'm controlling the speakers at work |
| 20:58.03 | Nightrose | haha |
| 20:58.18 | SRabbelier | Nightrose: I assume you have the all-important "is_skynet" set to 99999 in the distance algorithm? |
| 20:58.22 | MatthewWilkes | I tried it once - seems people prefer the beatles to combichrist |
| 20:58.35 | pepso | hey i'm a new guy who heard about gsoc. I'm a final year student from India. Can I participate to gsoc? I know C++ only and Basic HTML. |
| 20:58.40 | Nightrose | SRabbelier: :D didn't see anything like that in my students code |
| 20:58.43 | kane77 | hmm, exaile has something like that, but it fetches stuff from your last.fm library and in order to have stuff in library you have to play it first.. |
| 20:58.46 | Nightrose | should poke him about that |
| 20:59.00 | SRabbelier | Nightrose: oh dear, that's not good at all |
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| 20:59.08 | casinaroyale | !orgbylang |
| 20:59.09 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 20:59.16 | Nightrose | damn -feared you'd say that SRabbelier |
| 20:59.20 | SRabbelier | Nightrose: http://xkcd.com/534/ |
| 20:59.26 | casinaroyale | pepso: yes you can, go through the above link |
| 20:59.28 | Nightrose | looks |
| 20:59.32 | Erant | Nightrose: You might well be responsible for conficker - aka skynet. |
| 20:59.44 | pepso | casinaroyale: ok |
| 20:59.48 | maco | pepso: what platform are you most comfortable with? |
| 21:00.03 | Nightrose | Erant: oh dear.... - and i made google pay for it!!! ohnoes :P |
| 21:00.06 | Nightrose | runs |
| 21:00.07 | pepso | maco: c++ |
| 21:00.11 | Erant | :P |
| 21:00.18 | SRabbelier | Nightrose: you evil person! |
| 21:00.23 | maco | pepso: you said that, but i mean like windows, mac, linux, bsd...? |
| 21:00.25 | Nightrose | indeed :D |
| 21:00.34 | pepso | maco: windows |
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| 21:00.58 | Nightrose | pepso: maybe the kde-on-windows project then? |
| 21:01.06 | maco | Nightrose: thats what i was gonna say! |
| 21:01.11 | Nightrose | :) |
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| 21:01.28 | pepso | maco: ok |
| 21:01.31 | Erant | SRabbelier: I have optimization tomorrow. I should probably add is_skynet <= 0; is_skynet >= 0; as a constraint everytime, no? |
| 21:01.43 | Nightrose | ok folks i really should go to bed - big exam in 8 hours |
| 21:01.44 | pepso | maco: can you provide a link |
| 21:01.45 | maco | :( this plasma theme isnt working well |
| 21:01.46 | SRabbelier | Erant: it should net you a bonus point, surely |
| 21:01.48 | Nightrose | cya :) |
| 21:01.49 | Erant | :P |
| 21:01.52 | maco | pepso: kde.org? |
| 21:02.03 | maco | pepso: its a linux desktop environment that was recently ported to windows |
| 21:02.15 | maco | or at least many of the applications were |
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| 21:02.27 | pepso | maco: okey |
| 21:02.40 | maco | pepso: NightRose works on Amarok, which is a pretty nice music player, for example |
| 21:02.45 | pepso | now i'm going to read all about this project |
| 21:02.59 | SRabbelier | maco: why would anyone do that? :P |
| 21:03.06 | SRabbelier | maco: (port kde to windows that is) |
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| 21:03.16 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: So Lennie can use real apps? |
| 21:03.24 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: like what? |
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| 21:03.40 | maco | SRabbelier: people think cross platform stuff makes it easier to switch from windows to linux because then there'll be familiar apps. i think it just gives them excuse to stay on windows, but whatever |
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| 21:03.42 | MatthewWilkes | SRabbelier: I dunno, but it's got to be better than windows, surely? |
| 21:03.45 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: what could there possible be that runs only on KDE that would be useful on windwos? :P |
| 21:04.00 | SRabbelier | maco: agreed |
| 21:04.22 | mlankhorst | kde for windows, pfft |
| 21:04.35 | maco | coming from the perspective of "ubuntu 6.06's NTFS-resizing bug meant i had no dual-boot and just had to go learn" |
| 21:04.46 | mlankhorst | Really bad idea imho |
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| 21:05.15 | murph | I find cross platform stuff amazing when i'm forced to use windows machines |
| 21:05.16 | maco | mlankhorst: cant deny that much of kde's software is nicer than much of the windows freeware on download.com though |
| 21:05.28 | mlankhorst | crapware |
| 21:05.31 | maco | what is up with seif's computer? |
| 21:06.27 | maco | pidgin apparently |
| 21:06.51 | SRabbelier | is using pidgin |
| 21:07.03 | pepso | maco: may i query with u. |
| 21:07.18 | SRabbelier | wonders what kind of perverted offer that is |
| 21:07.23 | Erant | rofl |
| 21:07.27 | SRabbelier | :P |
| 21:07.38 | Erant | So is that what they're calling it these days... |
| 21:07.44 | SRabbelier | Erant: apparently :P |
| 21:07.51 | maco | pepso: yeah |
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| 21:10.12 | MatthewWilkes | wth - new StS? I didn't know? Aargh, need.. to.. go.. to.. Saturn |
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| 21:11.29 | MatthewWilkes | ahh, good on you iTunes |
| 21:11.33 | MatthewWilkes | *buy* *buy* *buy* |
| 21:12.14 | Corsix | iTunes makes it far too easy to buy stuff |
| 21:13.33 | maco | um...DRM? |
| 21:13.41 | Catfish_Man | not anymore |
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| 21:16.08 | maco | did they go totally DRM-free? |
| 21:16.16 | maco | i thought only a subset were |
| 21:16.36 | javaaddict | Most songs are not avaible DRM-free (in and around 80%) |
| 21:16.47 | javaaddict | *** NOW *** |
| 21:16.49 | Catfish_Man | maco: yeah, it's a WIP |
| 21:17.40 | MatthewWilkes | These were DRM free |
| 21:17.50 | Corsix | "As of the announcement, 8 million songs were available in Apple's DRM-free format. The rest of the 10+ million songs in the iTunes Store will be DRM-free by the end of Apple's Q2 2009 in March." |
| 21:17.53 | Corsix | according to wikipedia |
| 21:18.11 | Catfish_Man | Corsix: sounds like they're running a bit late then |
| 21:18.15 | Corsix | indeed |
| 21:18.21 | Catfish_Man | although still steadily converting from what I've seen |
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| 21:19.31 | maco | now! iTunes for Linux! oh wait...no...that requires admitting they're not the only alternative to Windows :( |
| 21:19.50 | mlankhorst | lol |
| 21:19.57 | mlankhorst | run it in wine :P |
| 21:20.10 | maco | nah ive got rhythmbox and amarok |
| 21:20.20 | maco | and ogg123 if im in a console |
| 21:20.31 | dwins | what, no mpd? |
| 21:20.40 | maco | heh no havent set that up |
| 21:20.45 | maco | mpd doesnt do last.fm does it? |
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| 21:21.11 | pepso | lh: can you tell me please how can I get Foreign Certification form if I'm from India? |
| 21:22.31 | dwins | maco: it doesn't do anything but play music (and tell you what song it's playing) |
| 21:22.37 | dwins | clients can do whatever though |
| 21:22.48 | harlan | who can see student proposals under review? Only the student and mentors/admins, or are they more generally visible? |
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| 21:26.08 | dhaun | harlan: only mentors and admins can see the proposal |
| 21:26.19 | dhaun | well, and the student who submitted them, I guess :-) |
| 21:27.14 | SRabbelier | harlan: what dhaun said |
| 21:27.32 | harlan | OK, thanks folks. |
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| 21:31.07 | Corsix | Can mentors for one project which I've applied to see what other projects I've applied to? |
| 21:31.29 | mlankhorst | At one point |
| 21:31.36 | SRabbelier | Corsix: why does it matter? |
| 21:31.41 | SRabbelier | Corsix: you should be honest with your mentors anyway |
| 21:32.14 | Corsix | SRabbelier: I'm just curios |
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| 21:32.36 | SRabbelier | Corsix: ok :) |
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| 21:32.40 | SRabbelier | Corsix: well, what mlankhorst said :) |
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| 21:34.37 | smtms | mlankhorst, which point? |
| 21:34.57 | mlankhorst | dno with new engine really |
| 21:34.58 | ajuonline | *one* point |
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| 21:36.26 | smtms | ajuonline, which *one*? |
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| 21:36.40 | mlankhorst | dno, don't care |
| 21:36.46 | mlankhorst | check out source if it matters so much for you |
| 21:37.08 | rwatson | Corsix: at lest in previous years, projects became aware of submissions by a student to other projects only if the other project assigned the proposal a mentor |
| 21:37.18 | rwatson | Corsix: don't know if it will work that way this year |
| 21:37.56 | rwatson | (in terms of what the gsoc application system provides -- obviously, you can tell the projects what you like out-of-band...) |
| 21:38.18 | ajuonline | smtms: some *one* point |
| 21:38.33 | smtms | ajuonline, I like you more when you keep your mouth shut |
| 21:38.41 | ajuonline | :D |
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| 21:45.28 | kblin | wow |
| 21:45.57 | kanna | i am not yet registerd in gsoc, is this is better time to apply |
| 21:46.07 | kblin | I didn't know google hired Pim van Pelt :) |
| 21:46.26 | hypa7ia | kanna: the sooner the better |
| 21:46.28 | anothy_x | kanna: "now" is always the right time. |
| 21:46.32 | hypa7ia | as it closes on friday |
| 21:47.30 | kanna | hypa7ia: but i din't speak to any mentors |
| 21:47.41 | hypa7ia | kanna: well start talking then? |
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| 21:48.59 | kanna | hypa7ia: i have the basic language of c,c++,java,html,css only |
| 21:49.08 | kanna | is this is ok |
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| 21:49.53 | hypa7ia | kanna: you need to ask the mentors of projects you're interested in |
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| 21:51.19 | kanna | hypa7ia: if all the menters selected their students means wat can i do |
| 21:51.49 | hypa7ia | kanna: i don't understand the question |
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| 21:52.40 | kanna | hypa7ia: every mentor want to select the student to do the project |
| 21:53.01 | kanna | if already they selected means |
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| 21:53.22 | kanna | then how can i know that |
| 21:53.29 | hypa7ia | kanna: no formal selections have been made so far, and none will be made until after the 3rd |
| 21:53.40 | hypa7ia | so go talk to mentors and apply to projects |
| 21:53.46 | rolly1975 | anyone here applied to be a mentor? |
| 21:53.47 | hypa7ia | for the projects you're interested in |
| 21:53.54 | hypa7ia | !anyone |
| 21:53.54 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 21:53.59 | hypa7ia | rolly1975: see above |
| 21:54.25 | hypa7ia | err, that text changed. rolly1975, there are lots of mentors in here, but you're best asking about a specific project |
| 21:55.30 | kanna | hypa7ia: i have the basic language of c,c++,java,html,css only....which org is needs my quilification |
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| 21:57.16 | hypa7ia | !orgsbylang |
| 21:57.16 | socinfo | "orgsbylang" is The 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 21:57.21 | hypa7ia | kanna: try that list |
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| 21:58.57 | Corsix | Although some projects may involve other languages |
| 21:59.08 | hypa7ia | yes, it's not a complete list |
| 21:59.22 | Corsix | i.e. NMap and Apache may involve Lua if you're working on NMap scripting or HTTPD's mod_lua |
| 21:59.47 | hypa7ia | right, but those will be specified if you actually go look at the project proposals :) |
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| 22:00.30 | rolly1975 | actually i just had a general question as to how long it generally takes to get a mentor application approved (or not) |
| 22:00.49 | hypa7ia | rolly1975: it depends on the org. have you contacted them to let you know it's been put in? |
| 22:00.58 | hypa7ia | rolly1975: mentor approvals are done by the orgs not google |
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| 22:01.26 | hypa7ia | is reminded to check for mentors waiting for approval :) |
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| 22:02.44 | rolly1975 | ah, no i havent - i assumed that the approval was done by google |
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| 22:03.34 | rolly1975 | ill need to try and find out who administers that then |
| 22:03.55 | hypa7ia | org admins control mentor approval |
| 22:04.04 | hypa7ia | so whoever that is for your org is who you need to bug :) |
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| 22:06.29 | rolly1975 | thanks! |
| 22:07.09 | Ivanovic | lh: i personally vote for not extending the deadline |
| 22:07.24 | lh | Ivanovic: i dont plan too |
| 22:07.25 | Ivanovic | this way we can already start this weekend working on *all* proposals since they are at least submitted |
| 22:07.29 | Corsix | there is discussion to extend a deadline? |
| 22:07.34 | hypa7ia | Corsix: shhh no :) |
| 22:07.43 | Corsix | ok, I heard nothing :) |
| 22:07.55 | Ivanovic | Corsix: some people want it extended, though the time was already longer than last year (with the extension last year!) |
| 22:07.57 | skbohra | :) |
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| 22:08.13 | lh | people always complain and want an extension |
| 22:08.19 | lh | last year, one week extension |
| 22:08.19 | Ivanovic | an extension will only lead to several students further delaying the submission of their proposals |
| 22:08.23 | lh | 700+ propsoals |
| 22:08.31 | lh | that was it |
| 22:08.33 | lh | not worth the pain |
| 22:08.53 | gpolo | hopefully there this period won't be extending, but the same was told last and year, and the other year, and well.. I'm hopeless to expect for it not being extended again |
| 22:08.55 | Corsix | Can we enquire as to the current number of students/proposals ? |
| 22:08.57 | Ivanovic | and this delay stops us at least partly from getting a good decision done |
| 22:09.08 | lh | Corsix: discussed before, have someone dig up logs for you :) |
| 22:09.11 | gpolo | s/hopefully there/hopefully/ |
| 22:09.17 | gpolo | ohhh |
| 22:09.19 | gpolo | awesome |
| 22:09.34 | danderson | meh |
| 22:09.36 | danderson | more log noise |
| 22:09.39 | gpolo | :) |
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| 22:12.26 | brlcad | lh: fwiw, we have lower than last year submissions for both orgs (one much lower than last year oddly), but with enough to select capable students from |
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| 22:12.48 | lh | brlcad: are you happy with what you have? |
| 22:12.54 | brlcad | lh: yes |
| 22:13.04 | lh | for that matter, is everyone happy with what they have quality wise? |
| 22:13.11 | lh | brlcad: good to hear |
| 22:13.11 | brlcad | just means maybe both orgs will take fewer slots |
| 22:13.15 | brlcad | quality is high |
| 22:13.21 | brlcad | count is low |
| 22:13.21 | lh | quality ++ |
| 22:13.26 | icez | Corsix, 4295 accounts / 2450 with proposals sent 2 hours ago |
| 22:13.27 | brlcad | which is fine |
| 22:13.30 | lh | that is totally ok by me |
| 22:13.58 | Ivanovic | yes, the amount of "really low quality but not yet spam" applications is *low* |
| 22:14.06 | Corsix | icez: interesting, thanks |
| 22:14.19 | brlcad | assuming the 6-8 proposals get submitted that are in-processing-yet-not-yet-posted-(dammit), we'll have more than enough to choose from |
| 22:14.32 | Ivanovic | so far we had one "probably spam" (not marked yet, but will soon) and two students retreating after we told them how much work they have to expect |
| 22:14.56 | icez | Ivanovic, which organization are you?:o |
| 22:15.00 | zooko | lh: I think you are asking if I am happy with the quality of the students who have signed up so far. |
| 22:15.01 | Ivanovic | wesnoth |
| 22:15.04 | homunq | our earlier apps were very high quality, the ones from today are somewhat weaker - plausible but dubious that they could come up to snuff. |
| 22:15.13 | zooko | The sad answer is that I just posted my call for students a few minutes ago: http://allmydata.org/pipermail/tahoe-dev/2009-April/001516.html |
| 22:15.23 | brlcad | shakes his fist at Ivanovic for stealing his time almost all of last week |
| 22:15.27 | brlcad | er, last weekend |
| 22:15.28 | lh | this is all good feedback |
| 22:15.31 | zooko | I *did* get three students asking about it even before we started... |
| 22:15.36 | Ivanovic | whistles a little... |
| 22:15.55 | zooko | For what it is worth, I'm so tardy in soliciting students because there was a misunderstanding about whether PSF would sponsor our ideas. |
| 22:16.05 | icez | Ivanovic, oh, nice |
| 22:16.23 | Ivanovic | and we got some really exceptional students that *really* try to get involved |
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| 22:16.53 | hypa7ia | we've had zero spam apps out of ~15 |
| 22:17.01 | hypa7ia | most have been /very/ good |
| 22:17.05 | Ivanovic | just looking at this list shows already a lot: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/SummerOfCodeProposal_AI_Improvement_Crab#Patches_and_commits |
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| 22:17.56 | lh | hypa7ia: 15 good apps for a new org is astounding |
| 22:18.13 | Ivanovic | okay, my most common comment in most proposals was "please some more details and a more detailed (and realistic) timeline would be great" |
| 22:18.15 | kblin | lh: the list is beginning to look pretty good for all orgs, after a really slow start |
| 22:18.27 | brlcad | that is amazing.. |
| 22:18.28 | Ivanovic | though things are really getting into the right direction with most proposals |
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| 22:18.48 | brlcad | hypa7ia: do you have a patch requirement? |
| 22:18.57 | lh | kblin: that's what i am thinking. not sure i care how much about fewer applications if they're actually good applications. |
| 22:19.04 | hypa7ia | brlcad: no, but we have a couple of small excercises with each application |
| 22:19.20 | hypa7ia | lh: OTR has good mindshare, 2/3 of our apps have been for it |
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| 22:19.26 | hypa7ia | and DNSSEC is the new hotness |
| 22:19.45 | hypa7ia | Ivanovic: that's been my most common issue too |
| 22:19.51 | hypa7ia | "more detail on timeline plz" |
| 22:19.57 | Ivanovic | hypa7ia: but it is not suprising |
| 22:19.58 | kblin | hehe, same here |
| 22:20.00 | lh | hypa7ia: nice |
| 22:20.08 | Ivanovic | especially that you have to make them see where possible problems are |
| 22:20.14 | kblin | apart from one student who thought that my app needed openid |
| 22:20.20 | Ivanovic | stuff like "remember that you will encounter problems, add some buffers in" |
| 22:20.20 | kblin | shudders |
| 22:20.28 | hypa7ia | http://socghop.appspot.com/org/show/google/gsoc2009/xelerance <-- our application template |
| 22:21.10 | kblin | Ivanovic: my rule of thumb is "pessimistic estimate of how long it'll take * 1.5" |
| 22:21.28 | Ivanovic | kblin: and we are trying to get the student in this direction |
| 22:21.41 | hypa7ia | the rule of thumb from the "mythical man-month" is estimate x 3 |
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| 22:22.10 | Ivanovic | hypa7ia: it just depends on what your estimate is |
| 22:22.24 | hypa7ia | well, yes :) |
| 22:22.43 | Ivanovic | if your estimate is "time a really good core dev of this part of the project would need when working on it full time" |
| 22:22.59 | Ivanovic | then it can easily be a *5 or more for an SoC project |
| 22:23.13 | hypa7ia | in MMM he's more talking about "code time plus doc time plus test time" with test time taking the bulk of that extra 2x |
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| 22:23.38 | kblin | pff, testing.. |
| 22:23.52 | kblin | ;) |
| 22:23.57 | Ivanovic | does not trust those lovely "this is how you do a project and calculate times" books... |
| 22:24.04 | Corsix | testing on the toilet |
| 22:24.18 | Corsix | Google style |
| 22:24.22 | Ivanovic | most of the time planning stuff comes with experience and "well done guessing" |
| 22:24.22 | typ0 | openssh has only requested one student |
| 22:24.30 | typ0 | is it possible they'll take more than one ? |
| 22:24.38 | typ0 | if they want to ? |
| 22:24.55 | kblin | ask them? |
| 22:25.05 | typ0 | im asking on the google side |
| 22:25.09 | Ivanovic | typ0: in general slot assignment is like this: |
| 22:25.09 | hypa7ia | they may only have mentoring resources for 1 |
| 22:25.19 | hypa7ia | runs off, sushi time! |
| 22:25.23 | Ivanovic | google looks at the overall number of valid proposals |
| 22:25.29 | kblin | last year every accepted org got at least two slots |
| 22:25.39 | punchagan | !next |
| 22:25.39 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
| 22:25.43 | Ivanovic | and depending on the relative amount of proposals compared to the overall number the orgs do get slots |
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| 22:26.09 | Ivanovic | so if there are 1000 slots available and one org has 10% of all proposals, google offers this org roughly 100 slots |
| 22:26.20 | gpolo | except there is some kind of cap |
| 22:26.21 | typ0 | cool :) |
| 22:26.35 | Ivanovic | then there will be some fine tuning which can lead to the number going up/down a little |
| 22:26.41 | Ivanovic | this depends on various aspects |
| 22:26.57 | Ivanovic | beside this there is also a max number a group will take: the slots they ask for |
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| 22:27.25 | kblin | anyway, it's past bedtime |
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| 22:27.28 | kblin | night folks |
| 22:27.28 | Ivanovic | so if this group where google says "hey, you can have 100" states "we can only handle 10", they will get only 10 |
| 22:27.32 | brlcad | cya kblin |
| 22:27.38 | Corsix | Umbrella orgs (ASF, PSF, etc?) may also take more |
| 22:27.51 | typ0 | yeah |
| 22:27.56 | typ0 | thanks for the clarification :) |
| 22:28.06 | kblin | I think so far the max number of slots was 30ish |
| 22:28.26 | kblin | for one of the big umbrella orgs |
| 22:28.44 | Ivanovic | kblin: this was just a calculation example with "easy numbers" |
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| 22:30.58 | aoszkar | Ivanovic: thanks, that was a nice explanation |
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| 22:35.07 | Ivanovic | aoszkar: you are welcome |
| 22:35.13 | macduyhai | !next |
| 22:35.14 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
| 22:35.26 | Ivanovic | but be aware that this is a *highly* simplified version and the real process is a lot more complex |
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| 22:35.36 | uzytkownik | !timeline |
| 22:35.36 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 22:35.52 | Ivanovic | and yeah, for the final numbers it is sometimes "okay, we give one of our slots to org ABC, they can make more use of it" |
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| 22:36.18 | Ivanovic | that is: since we are a community as a whole we are friendly among projects and talk to each other, too |
| 22:36.20 | ArthurLiu | is getting crazy: there's one mentor who's getting one third of the 20 proposals of my org, and obviously he can only get one student. Now I have to sort out the mess >< |
| 22:36.20 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 22:36.39 | Ivanovic | ArthurLiu: ah, there the real fun starts... |
| 22:37.28 | gpolo | well, one mentor can get more than one student |
| 22:37.47 | Corsix | they won't want 7 students though |
| 22:37.52 | ArthurLiu | gpolo, he thought hard and he decided against getting two students |
| 22:38.01 | ArthurLiu | he's got a job and all.. |
| 22:38.03 | gpolo | sure |
| 22:38.15 | Ivanovic | (in those regards we are somehow lucky, we (as dev team) basically mentor all students together and the assigned mentors are mainly there as "special target" to do the evaluations |
| 22:38.18 | dukeleto | thank you to whoever mentioned gsoc during the Larry Wall MIT talk, if you are in here |
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| 22:39.00 | Ivanovic | sure, the assigned mentor will be the one asking "so, how is your progress" |
| 22:39.14 | ArthurLiu | well, at debian, it doesn't really work that way.. it's a network of individual applications |
| 22:39.28 | Ivanovic | though we expect the students to directly talk about probs they come across in our chan and someone is often around who will be able to help |
| 22:39.50 | Ivanovic | sure, debian is different in those regards, just like other umbrellas or "huge projects" |
| 22:40.04 | cjhopman | !next |
| 22:40.04 | socinfo | "next" is Student application deadline is April 3rd at 19:00 UTC (12:00 PST) (countdown: http://tinyurl.com/dzlmpj ). Students, apply now at http://tinyurl.com/cznmrx |
| 22:40.20 | Ivanovic | cjhopman: yes, hurry up with your proposal |
| 22:40.21 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 22:46.30 | Ivanovic | okay, really time for me to head off to bed, too |
| 22:46.31 | Ivanovic | n8 |
| 22:46.44 | lh | night |
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| 23:06.15 | ajuonline | ah the countdown helps |
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| 23:06.35 | bcarlyon|laptop | QUICK PANIC! |
| 23:06.40 | bcarlyon|laptop | runs around |
| 23:06.49 | bcarlyon|laptop | knocks the kettle over |
| 23:06.52 | ajuonline | bcarlyon|laptop: wth? |
| 23:06.58 | ajuonline | jasebo: yo! ;) |
| 23:07.00 | bcarlyon|laptop | nearly knocks the teapot onto the floor |
| 23:07.12 | bcarlyon|laptop | ajuonline, someone metioned a countdown |
| 23:07.19 | SRabbelier | bcarlyon|laptop: not so smooth |
| 23:07.22 | ajuonline | bcarlyon|laptop: i did! |
| 23:07.31 | jasebo | hi |
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| 23:07.45 | bcarlyon|laptop | ARG! |
| 23:07.49 | bcarlyon|laptop | trips over |
| 23:07.50 | ajuonline | bauer: ^ |
| 23:07.54 | ajuonline | oops sorry |
| 23:07.55 | lh | y'all really need to chill. no srsly. |
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| 23:07.57 | bcarlyon|laptop | *kersplat |
| 23:08.01 | ajuonline | bcarlyon|laptop: |
| 23:08.07 | bcarlyon|laptop | MY FACE! |
| 23:08.14 | ajuonline | :P |
| 23:08.19 | ajuonline | hi lh !!!!! |
| 23:08.40 | ArthurLiu | http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?month=04&day=03&year=2009&hour=19&min=00&sec=00&p0=0 |
| 23:08.42 | ArthurLiu | :) |
| 23:08.48 | bcarlyon|laptop | calms down picks up the kettle and puts it on |
| 23:09.21 | bcarlyon|laptop | I'm not paniccy, I dropped my second app into the system today :-) |
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| 23:09.48 | ajuonline | my current app is still on paper. |
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| 23:15.06 | rolly1975 | to the mentors here: if you have a bunch of proposals for students for a single idea, and you have a hard time deciding between, say the 3 top proposals....anyone been through this previously? |
| 23:15.40 | rolly1975 | im trying to figure out the best way to whittle my sub-list down to one good student |
| 23:15.59 | dhoclone_plan9 | rolly1975: You do as much research and communication with each student as you can, and try to pick one based on communications criteria, references, and past work, much like you would for a job interview. |
| 23:16.06 | ArthurLiu | rolly1975, we have 7 students on one mentor, but one stands out, so it's a little better |
| 23:16.08 | harlan | I was almost there last year. I asked all of the students how they felt about any of our other projects. |
| 23:16.40 | dhoclone_plan9 | There's also what harlan said. If you'd definitely like to keep one of the students but feel they would be better on another project, suggest that. |
| 23:17.02 | dhoclone_plan9 | Though it is difficult to do sometimes because you don't know how many slots you're getting, and you may not end up being able to accept that student anyway. |
| 23:17.05 | rolly1975 | hmmm,thanks - I hadnt thought of that. |
| 23:17.19 | [1]Evan | @mentors What happens if a student is found suitable for several projects? Does he get to choose? |
| 23:17.37 | rolly1975 | thats true...i guess you still want to try and pick the best candidate |
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| 23:18.10 | rolly1975 | ArthurLiu: ditto, I have 7proposals, with 3 serious candidates |
| 23:18.14 | ArthurLiu | @[1]Evan, usually |
| 23:18.15 | bcarlyon|laptop | [1]Evan, last year I did, but usually the mentors have a big meeting and sort out conflicts in that meeting |
| 23:18.26 | ArthurLiu | @[1]Evan, this is not twitter :D |
| 23:18.31 | rolly1975 | i guess i'll need to approach them again for more info |
| 23:19.25 | dhoclone_plan9 | rolly1975: It's not a bad thing to do that -- if you have an easy time getting info from all of them and they all still look great, then you have a problem :) |
| 23:19.34 | dhoclone_plan9 | But usually there's someone who is just more available in general |
| 23:20.04 | ArthurLiu | rolly1975, ask them if there's another project they'd more or less equally like |
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| 23:21.39 | rolly1975 | :-) |
| 23:21.59 | rolly1975 | thanks, i guess their responses will help me decide |
| 23:22.13 | dhoclone_plan9 | Cool, hope it works out :) |
| 23:22.21 | rolly1975 | cheers, thx for the help |
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| 23:23.42 | ArthurLiu | but if anybody has the technology to clone mentors, I'm interested |
| 23:24.23 | dhoclone_plan9 | ArthurLiu: I hear that CADIE can substitute for a mentor. |
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| 23:24.33 | bcarlyon|laptop | PANDAS! |
| 23:24.44 | SRabbelier | them so cute |
| 23:24.45 | SRabbelier | <3 |
| 23:25.14 | dhoclone_plan9 | They should have made CADIE hit 4chan in-between pseudo-intelligent posts. |
| 23:25.21 | dhoclone_plan9 | So she could devolve just like everyone else. |
| 23:25.45 | bcarlyon|laptop | <3 |
| 23:25.45 | ArthurLiu | CADIE accidentaly a PANDA |
| 23:25.56 | dhoclone_plan9 | CADIE hugs over 9000 pandas |
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| 23:26.29 | bcarlyon|laptop | http://twitter.com/cadie != CADIE |
| 23:26.59 | dhoclone_plan9 | I feel sorry for that person |
| 23:27.12 | dhoclone_plan9 | imagines cadie has 4,000,000,000 followers |
| 23:27.33 | bcarlyon|laptop | dhoclone_plan9, a friends daughter.... |
| 23:27.40 | bcarlyon|laptop | Who is not that old |
| 23:28.42 | SRabbelier | wtf, why did someone create a twitter for their toddler? |
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| 23:29.40 | ArthurLiu | SRabbelier, some people create a twitter for *pot plants* |
| 23:29.42 | gnbd | lh: have you seen this http://mces.blogspot.com/2005/06/google-summer-of-code-again.html |
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| 23:30.19 | gnbd | it seems in the past people have figured out that iranians who are not resident of iran can actually participate |
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| 23:30.37 | gnbd | see this as well:http://mces.blogspot.com/2005/07/google-summer-of-code-updates.html |
| 23:30.50 | ArthurLiu | 2005 ? |
| 23:31.18 | gnbd | well yes it's 2005 but from legal point of view all laws are the same |
| 23:32.11 | shyam_k | i was reading lh's mail earlier.. so things are like, the submit button under project proposal thing is not a final one and we could even change the proposal after submission.. am i right? |
| 23:32.20 | SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: disturbing |
| 23:32.30 | SRabbelier | shyam_k: yes |
| 23:32.44 | zooko | Oh, wow. That legal text inthere: http://mces.blogspot.com/2005/07/google-summer-of-code-updates.html |
| 23:32.45 | shyam_k | hmmm.. |
| 23:32.53 | dhoclone_plan9 | shyam_k: until Friday at 12 PST |
| 23:33.01 | zooko | *does* say that the law allows "Services performed outside Iran by an Iranian citizen or |
| 23:33.01 | zooko | national who is resident in the United States or a third country, |
| 23:33.01 | zooko | provided such services are not performed by or on behalf of the |
| 23:33.02 | zooko | Government of Iran (other than diplomatic and consular services), |
| 23:33.03 | shyam_k | falls of to bed after a project fixing night out! at 5:02 am:) |
| 23:33.05 | zooko | and entity organized under the laws of Iran, or a person located |
| 23:33.08 | zooko | in Iran. |
| 23:33.10 | zooko | " |
| 23:33.14 | zooko | Sorry for the flood. |
| 23:33.22 | lh | gnbd: an exception was made once and we got in trouble. |
| 23:33.26 | lh | note that was 2005 |
| 23:33.29 | SRabbelier | contemplates /kick zooko for /flood :P |
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| 23:33.52 | gnbd | lh: what's the exception? you mean you accepted an Iranian and things went wrong? |
| 23:33.57 | devilsadvocate | why cant iranians participate? |
| 23:34.08 | SRabbelier | devilsadvocate: US trade laws |
| 23:34.19 | SRabbelier | devilsadvocate: look through today's logs for the full story |
| 23:34.22 | werdna | man mentors list is noisy |
| 23:34.31 | ArthurLiu | SRabbelier, http://twitter.com/pothos |
| 23:34.32 | omniter | devilsadvocate, because US companies are forbidden from engaging in commerce with certain countries, including Iran |
| 23:34.40 | devilsadvocate | wow |
| 23:34.47 | gnbd | Is there any law other than those quoted here: http://mces.blogspot.com/2005/07/google-summer-of-code-updates.html |
| 23:34.51 | omniter | sucks, i know |
| 23:35.06 | SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: omg.. they hooked it up to a moisture sensor? |
| 23:35.08 | lh | gnbd: i dont know. i do what the legal team asks me to do. for all i know the laws have changed since this occcurred. |
| 23:35.46 | SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: dont' tell me this is someone being lazy and wanting to follow whether their plant needs watering through twitter... |
| 23:35.47 | ArthurLiu | SRabbelier, :) |
| 23:35.51 | gnbd | lh: can I get in touch with someone who can checks this in depth? |
| 23:36.04 | gnbd | any email address, etc/ |
| 23:36.04 | SRabbelier | head-to-desk |
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| 23:36.55 | lh | gnbd: honestly? sure, you can talk to a lawyer of your own, but we are not going to change the terms of service for the program. our legal team has made this decision and i have worked with them for hours on approaching it from a number of directions and it simply isn't going to work according to the parameters of gsoc. |
| 23:37.14 | lh | gnbd: again, i wish i had better news for you. but this is what it is. it is not going to change. |
| 23:37.25 | omniter | alright... which one a y'all is spartacus? |
| 23:37.31 | gnbd | lh: thanks. I have a clear quesiton: what has changed since 2005 |
| 23:37.32 | MatthewWilkes | hehe |
| 23:37.45 | gnbd | if you don't know could you please let me know who might know? |
| 23:37.47 | lh | gnbd: lots of things, including how we collect code samples |
| 23:37.49 | omniter | waits |
| 23:37.50 | SRabbelier | omniter: I'm spartacus |
| 23:37.55 | lh | and how we pay the students |
| 23:37.59 | lh | and how that payment is classified |
| 23:38.09 | lh | according to the IRS and the US dept of trade |
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| 23:38.30 | danderson | can anyone email me a precision screwdriver? |
| 23:38.31 | SRabbelier | gnbd: kindly request you let the subject go now |
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| 23:38.45 | SRabbelier | gnbd: the topic has been discussed way beyond it's expiration date now |
| 23:38.46 | danderson | need one to take these headphones apart and resolder the loose wire |
| 23:38.49 | gnbd | :D |
| 23:38.51 | SRabbelier | gnbd: it's getting annoying :) |
| 23:39.06 | lh | goes to pick up her refurbed laptop bbl |
| 23:39.23 | omniter | agh, you guys are no fun. i'll go look for spartacus somewhere else |
| 23:39.25 | brlcad | eek |
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| 23:39.28 | danderson | even the torque wrench from my lockpick set doesn't fit :( |
| 23:39.46 | werdna | you have a lockpick set lying around? |
| 23:39.50 | gnbd | SRabbelier: I assumed IRC channel is a place to dicuss things that you are not clear about |
| 23:40.03 | gnbd | and I have been asking clear questions here |
| 23:40.17 | summatusmentis | it is, arguably. That said, it doesn't seem like anything will be changing |
| 23:40.19 | SRabbelier | gnbd: yes, but as said, it's been discussed already |
| 23:40.26 | SRabbelier | gnbd: in depth |
| 23:40.36 | danderson | werdna: small one, four picks and a torque |
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| 23:40.59 | SRabbelier | gnbd: and lh does not have infinite bandwidth ;) |
| 23:41.11 | SRabbelier | gnbd: I'd rather have her doing other things than repeating herself on #gsoc |
| 23:41.18 | anothy_x | gnbd: this is the right place to ask, but the question's been asked and answered as well as it's going to be. nobody here has any further information on the topic. |
| 23:41.49 | anothy_x | danderson: aside from one for real picking and one for raking, do you use the other picks? |
| 23:41.49 | danderson | ArthurLiu: cheers |
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| 23:42.05 | anothy_x | my set has like 10, and i only use two, maybe three (a smaller rake) |
| 23:42.12 | ArthurLiu | danderson, :) |
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| 23:43.08 | danderson | anothy_x: nothing much, sometimes it helps to have some choice, but the 4-pick set was the smallest I could find with a decent half diamond and a non-pitiful torque wrench |
| 23:44.09 | devilsadvocate | you're seriously discussing lock pik sets here? for real? |
| 23:44.23 | danderson | is there a problem? |
| 23:44.52 | werdna | it's a geek channe |
| 23:44.54 | werdna | l |
| 23:45.00 | werdna | you get all kinds of discussion |
| 23:45.01 | SRabbelier | devilsadvocate: says a guy with 'devilsadvocate' as nickname? :P |
| 23:45.09 | danderson | I mean, I don't see that we're disrupting any major discussion |
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| 23:45.25 | devilsadvocate | SRabbelier, :P |
| 23:45.33 | devilsadvocate | danderson, i didnt mean it that way |
| 23:45.37 | danderson | and the possession and private use of lockpicks is legal where I live, as long as they are not used on other people's property without their consent (preferably in writing) |
| 23:45.37 | MatthewWilkes | danderson: Actually, there was a question on eligibility⦠;) |
| 23:45.40 | anothy_x | well, there was probably one other thread going on that we disrupted, but i don't think that's a bad thing. ;-) |
| 23:45.47 | anothy_x | er, yeah. |
| 23:45.58 | SRabbelier | danderson: where you live.. I like it there |
| 23:46.17 | danderson | it's not where you live? |
| 23:46.23 | danderson | Dude, even in most of the US it's legal |
| 23:46.25 | allisterb_ | slowpoke here: who or what is CADIE? |
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| 23:46.29 | anothy_x | for further geek cred, i was taught to use mine by one of the authors of "Unix Operating System Security" |
| 23:46.31 | danderson | you just have to be licensed to open other people's locks |
| 23:46.37 | Catfish_Man | allisterb_: check google.com (not searching for it, literally google.com) |
| 23:46.48 | MatthewWilkes | It's legal in .nl |
| 23:46.53 | SRabbelier | danderson: I don't know if it is here or not :P |
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| 23:47.07 | devilsadvocate | has had all sorts of trouble getting to the soc app |
| 23:47.09 | danderson | usually, lockpicks are legal in the same way that knives are legal |
| 23:47.18 | danderson | don't stab people with them, and you're good |
| 23:47.19 | MatthewWilkes | http://toool.nl/LockCon :) |
| 23:47.20 | SRabbelier | MatthewWilkes: most kind :) |
| 23:47.29 | anothy_x | in the US, it's state by state. at least when i learned, NJ was okay, NY was a no-no. |
| 23:47.37 | werdna | danderson: so you can't stab people with lockpicks? |
| 23:47.47 | danderson | werdna: exactly. Don't try that. |
| 23:47.52 | danderson | First, it doesn't work very well |
| 23:47.56 | danderson | second, it annoys the stabee |
| 23:47.59 | werdna | but opening their doors is okay, right? |
| 23:48.04 | anothy_x | Third, it dulls the tool. |
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| 23:48.48 | danderson | indeed |
| 23:48.57 | danderson | and opening their doors without intention to stab is fine |
| 23:49.13 | danderson | seriously though, most places owning lockpicks is as illegal as owning kitchen knives |
| 23:49.22 | danderson | it's not what you have, it's what you do |
| 23:49.32 | devilsadvocate | so, is there any specific fix if socghop.appspot.com says transferring and just sits there? (ff3, slightly wierd NATed internets) |
| 23:49.37 | skbohra | wonders why wiki is not a legal word in openoffice |
| 23:49.39 | nuth | mmm, I want a lockpick set |
| 23:49.57 | danderson | I want a precision screwdriver |
| 23:49.58 | werdna | I would buy one but I'm doing a bunch of travelling in a month |
| 23:50.01 | werdna | for a year |
| 23:50.07 | werdna | and I don't want the headaches. |
| 23:50.08 | danderson | I finally get my soldering iron, my multimeter and all the associated crap |
| 23:50.09 | nuth | I want a business card like Kevin Mitnicks |
| 23:50.14 | devilsadvocate | never _heard_ of a lockpick set before. |
| 23:50.21 | danderson | I go to fix my headphone's right speaker |
| 23:50.30 | danderson | and I don't have the screwdriver to open the damn thing. |
| 23:50.32 | devilsadvocate | where i live you want to get past a lock, you use a screwdriver and a hammer :P |
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| 23:50.50 | danderson | devilsadvocate: depending on the lock, you may have no other option |
| 23:50.57 | danderson | unless you have a skilled lockpicker available |
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| 23:51.22 | nuth | http://www.flickr.com/photos/ranh/106709219/ |
| 23:51.28 | nuth | mmm |
| 23:52.06 | danderson | very cool |
| 23:52.11 | rolly1975 | sorry guys, one more for the mentors: |
| 23:52.20 | danderson | that's pretty much the set I have, but with an L torque wrench |
| 23:52.21 | devilsadvocate | ok. socghop.appspot.com is the first website that i have seen that works better though my proxy than directly. |
| 23:52.43 | werdna | nuth: that's pretty cool |
| 23:52.49 | nuth | I think so |
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| 23:53.16 | rolly1975 | student A: little experience, bit of a novice, but incredibly motivated and hard-working |
| 23:53.43 | SRabbelier | nuth: that's pretty awesome :) |
| 23:54.06 | rolly1975 | student B: much more experienced, much better understanding, slightly more detached and a bit less responsive |
| 23:54.22 | rolly1975 | whats the better demographic to place your trust in ? ;-) |
| 23:54.27 | ArthurLiu | rolly1975, are you feeling adventurous ? |
| 23:54.35 | MatthewWilkes | rolly1975: What do you want out of SoC, a new committer or some code? |
| 23:54.44 | rolly1975 | ArthurLiu: I'm not sure |
| 23:54.51 | rolly1975 | some code |
| 23:54.56 | rolly1975 | committer would be bonus |
| 23:55.02 | rolly1975 | but Im not expecting it |
| 23:55.16 | rolly1975 | :-) |
| 23:55.44 | MatthewWilkes | rolly1975: I'd think code you get from B would be more likely to be of a standard you want. I've had bad experiences with detached students not following guidance though |
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| 23:56.05 | MatthewWilkes | rolly1975: Personally, I'd go for A and get a hard-working mentor, but it'd be a gamble |
| 23:56.27 | MatthewWilkes | B is probably (imho) a safer bet |
| 23:56.32 | rolly1975 | thanks Matthew. Noted...I'm kind of swinging in that direction |
| 23:56.35 | [1]Evan | I say give Mr. A a chance. Part of GSoC is reaching out to people currently outside the open-source community. |
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| 23:57.15 | ArthurLiu | I'd edge for A, I have already expressed this opinion elsewhere.. |
| 23:57.17 | rolly1975 | I'd like to in a way - he's worked pretty hard already, and thats just for the proposal! |
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| 23:57.28 | anothy_x | it's a case-by-case call (how little experience? how detached?), but i'd lean towards A, if they seem plausibly competent. |
| 23:57.45 | [1]Evan | Of course, I could be A, so I'm a little biased. |
| 23:58.12 | MatthewWilkes | rolly1975: Honestly, our aim this year is to get students active, code would be awesome, but we're going into heavy development for a major release atm; people who stay around will be more likely to get their work in core |
| 23:58.29 | ArthurLiu | rolly1975, are A and B proposing the exact same project, or does B promise a bit more than A ? |
| 23:58.41 | MatthewWilkes | It's not fun to have a student do something awesome then drop it and have it languish |
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| 23:59.04 | anirudh | Anyone from BITS Pilani around ? |
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| 23:59.45 | ajuonline | !anyone |
| 23:59.45 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 23:59.53 | ajuonline | ack, sorry :P |
| 23:59.56 | rolly1975 | ArthurLIu: its my proposal, they have both applied to implement it. I think B could potentially do more, but A seems like a really enthusiastic learner |