| 00:01.01 | dhart | I simply mistook the org admin invitation for correspondence about the org application - entirely my mistake! |
| 00:01.29 | Lennie | aha :) |
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| 00:08.09 | lh | ThomasWaldmann: now wouldnt that be ice |
| 00:08.19 | lh | dhart: try user guide |
| 00:08.21 | lh | !userguide |
| 00:08.21 | socinfo | "userguide" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide |
| 00:10.30 | ThomasWaldmann | lh: and you'ld have a almost endless portable battery for your laptop. red, on wheels. |
| 00:10.32 | dhart | lh: all okay now, I just needed to complete the step of accepting the invitation |
| 00:13.16 | lh | ThomasWaldmann: always hope |
| 00:13.21 | lh | dhart: awesome |
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| 00:23.45 | toni_marie | lh: they roped me into mentoring in SOC, so I'm no longer stalking you by visiting here |
| 00:24.52 | lh | toni_marie: lol. kk. |
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| 00:25.07 | ArthurLiu | ah, the mentor fishing game :) |
| 00:25.56 | ArthurLiu | the coax-idea-proposals-out-of-devs is nice too :) |
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| 00:26.14 | toni_marie | hehe |
| 00:26.25 | toni_marie | well obviously I don't do enough for the Joomla project already |
| 00:26.29 | r0bby | o/ |
| 00:26.40 | r0bby | is stalking lh :) |
| 00:26.47 | toni_marie | nahhhh seriously though, I'm kind of into it. I like helping |
| 00:26.53 | r0bby | and potentially student'ing |
| 00:26.55 | Drew_ | hello everyone |
| 00:27.00 | r0bby | hopefully not driving lh nuts |
| 00:27.05 | toni_marie | LOL r0bby nice |
| 00:27.06 | r0bby | i <3 her |
| 00:27.09 | Landon | r0bby: only if it makes it easier to stalk, right? |
| 00:27.10 | lh | r0bby: what do you need dear |
| 00:27.16 | r0bby | nothing :) |
| 00:27.22 | lh | oh good lord. |
| 00:27.23 | lh | :p |
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| 00:27.42 | toni_marie | apparently your used tissues and a few "candid" photos |
| 00:27.43 | r0bby | lh: i am still the top poster on the student list next to you (of all time) |
| 00:27.44 | r0bby | lOL |
| 00:28.21 | lh | r0bby: that is not something to be proud of |
| 00:28.24 | r0bby | I know |
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| 00:28.36 | Landon | r0bby: but I win at IRC! |
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| 00:28.47 | r0bby | Landon: I know :-) |
| 00:29.03 | r0bby | lh: I've taken the stance of not caring anymore and just learning from my mistakes :) |
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| 00:29.28 | Landon | robby, you're almost at 10k! |
| 00:29.30 | Landon | http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm |
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| 00:30.11 | Landon | haha, my quote followed by r0bby's quote is... entertainint :) |
| 00:30.38 | r0bby | "this year you will (or so i heard)" |
| 00:30.39 | r0bby | LOL |
| 00:30.55 | Landon | man, too bad pisg isn't an org |
| 00:31.12 | Landon | thinks it could use a django rewrite :) |
| 00:31.31 | Landon | so I don't haev to use that bass-ackwardsinterface to edit user info :P |
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| 00:31.56 | r0bby | !stats |
| 00:31.56 | socinfo | I have 4 registered users with 20 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins. |
| 00:32.17 | danderson | r0bby: hmm? |
| 00:32.27 | danderson | what were you expecting under that factoid? |
| 00:32.31 | r0bby | !learn ircstats as http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm |
| 00:32.31 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 00:32.34 | r0bby | that =) |
| 00:32.37 | danderson | ah |
| 00:32.40 | Landon | I think it's under logs |
| 00:32.41 | Landon | !logs |
| 00:32.42 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 00:32.46 | r0bby | nay |
| 00:32.50 | danderson | !learn stats as http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm |
| 00:32.50 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 00:32.52 | danderson | !stats |
| 00:32.52 | socinfo | I have 4 registered users with 20 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins. |
| 00:32.54 | danderson | grrr |
| 00:33.00 | Landon | hehehe |
| 00:33.30 | r0bby | wtf I got Right here waiting by diff artists w/ one song in between.. |
| 00:33.42 | r0bby | (I just admitted this publically... this is bad) |
| 00:34.03 | lh | Landon: how the hell do your stats know i am a girl?!?!?!?! |
| 00:34.32 | r0bby | because it's mentiond in metadata :) |
| 00:34.42 | r0bby | I think we set it up ages ago |
| 00:34.46 | r0bby | same way it knows my blog ;) |
| 00:34.47 | Landon | lh: I think you entered your user info last year |
| 00:34.48 | Landon | or someone did |
| 00:34.59 | lh | fascinating. |
| 00:35.17 | r0bby | lh: I promise to not be a pain in the rear this year :) |
| 00:35.23 | Lennie | hmm |
| 00:35.27 | Lennie | interesting stats |
| 00:35.35 | Lennie | guess I'll have to climb a lot more :P |
| 00:35.46 | r0bby | stay off of me! |
| 00:35.47 | arma | ha |
| 00:35.55 | r0bby | you MUST stay under me (on the stats) |
| 00:35.58 | lh | r0bby: i dont believe you dude. |
| 00:36.00 | lh | arma: ? |
| 00:36.04 | r0bby | lh: ?!?!?! |
| 00:36.13 | r0bby | I have behaved all year |
| 00:36.24 | Landon | Lennie: there are also weekly and monthly stats |
| 00:36.35 | r0bby | there have been instances where i wanted to blast users on the lists, but i did not |
| 00:36.36 | Landon | under week.htm and month.htm iirc |
| 00:36.45 | Drew_ | hey, where is everyone here from? |
| 00:36.47 | arma | lh: the gender part of the stats :) |
| 00:36.56 | Landon | you might have a better chance on those :) |
| 00:37.13 | Lennie | :) |
| 00:37.15 | Lennie | show meh :D |
| 00:37.25 | Landon | http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/week.htm |
| 00:37.27 | r0bby | Drew_: New Windsor,NY (~60 mis north of NYC) |
| 00:37.52 | Landon | underrepresented Kansas! |
| 00:37.56 | Drew_ | cool, I'm in "sunny" Edinburgh - Scotland |
| 00:38.12 | Lennie | yeah I have more luck in those stats Landon :D |
| 00:38.19 | Lennie | Poor python, nobody likes him/her. He/She was attacked 1 times. |
| 00:38.20 | Lennie | ahaha |
| 00:38.22 | Lennie | brilliant :D |
| 00:38.32 | Lennie | django seems to be unliked too. He/She got beaten 1 times. |
| 00:38.34 | Lennie | roflmao |
| 00:38.41 | Lennie | Melange is built on Django and Python hurray :D |
| 00:38.58 | Drew_ | is everyone here a student wanting to apply? What do you think of the projects? |
| 00:39.03 | Landon | Lennie: I could always put up my all-time stats :P |
| 00:39.05 | antarus | smacks django |
| 00:39.33 | tcoppi | Landon: do it |
| 00:39.33 | Lennie | :) |
| 00:39.39 | Landon | going back to 2006 |
| 00:39.44 | Lennie | stats ftw |
| 00:39.55 | Landon | would need to rejangle with pisg, since we were on a different network back ten |
| 00:40.09 | tcoppi | oh slashnet |
| 00:40.11 | tcoppi | how I miss you |
| 00:40.15 | tcoppi | with your random spambot attacks |
| 00:40.18 | Landon | all the netsplits |
| 00:40.22 | koryk | Drew_: I don't think everyone here is a student, there are some people from mentor organizations. |
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| 00:40.47 | Drew_ | oh right, I'm just looking through them all now :) |
| 00:40.48 | tcoppi | freenode has a lot of netsplits |
| 00:40.52 | danderson | !stats |
| 00:40.52 | socinfo | "stats" is http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/stats.htm |
| 00:40.55 | danderson | huge success. |
| 00:40.58 | danderson | r0bby: ^ |
| 00:41.00 | tcoppi | not as many as slashnet I guess but it has its share |
| 00:41.17 | r0bby | nice! |
| 00:41.22 | r0bby | !forget ircstats |
| 00:41.22 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 00:42.18 | lh | arma: ah clarity |
| 00:42.26 | Landon | danderson: did you have to take socinfo out behind the barn and beat it into him? |
| 00:42.37 | koryk | Drew_: me too, its pretty overwhelming - I got my list narrowed down a little though |
| 00:43.32 | r0bby | Landon: i just got a bad image in my head |
| 00:43.52 | r0bby | involving a baseball bat and potentially a shotgun |
| 00:44.06 | r0bby | maybe a golf club and a crowbar |
| 00:44.12 | SRabbelier | hopes some student will apply for Melange with a stats-related idea |
| 00:44.17 | ThomasWaldmann | btw, did you also see the LED sheep? :) |
| 00:44.22 | Drew_ | koryk: Yeah, it certainly is. Are you a computer science student? |
| 00:44.24 | Lennie | agrees |
| 00:44.27 | Lennie | nn |
| 00:44.35 | koryk | Drew_: yes, Villanova University - you? |
| 00:44.40 | Lennie | LED sheep is made of win :D |
| 00:44.49 | SRabbelier | those led sheep are brilliant :P |
| 00:45.05 | Drew_ | koryk: Yep, doing my 3rd year of 5 to get a Masters. How about you? |
| 00:45.07 | r0bby | welsh and led sheep |
| 00:45.08 | r0bby | ducks |
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| 00:46.02 | koryk | Drew_: I am a senior, but I am in a 5 year program too, where do you go? |
| 00:46.15 | Landon | tcoppi: whatever happened to rep? |
| 00:46.25 | tcoppi | he's here |
| 00:46.28 | tcoppi | but muted last I checked |
| 00:46.30 | tcoppi | :( |
| 00:46.53 | Drew_ | koryk: Heriot-Watt University, it's just on the outskirts of Edinburgh in Scotland :) |
| 00:47.01 | Landon | tcoppi: not that I see! |
| 00:47.07 | Landon | (looking at the banlist) |
| 00:47.22 | koryk | Drew_: cool cool, I am Scottish by heritage |
| 00:47.28 | tcoppi | [= 18:47:15] :: 40 - #gsoc: ban %*!*@elvis.mu.org (by niven.freenode.net, 4562289 secs ago) |
| 00:47.41 | Landon | whois him |
| 00:47.53 | tcoppi | thats not rep |
| 00:47.57 | spectie | Drew_, do you speak scottish gaelic by any fluke chance ? |
| 00:47.57 | spectie | ;) |
| 00:48.00 | Landon | WOT |
| 00:48.11 | tcoppi | he's not in here anymore I guess |
| 00:49.55 | koryk | Drew_: What organizations are you thinking about applying to? |
| 00:49.55 | r0bby | When i graduate it will have taken me 8 years |
| 00:49.56 | r0bby | w/ a semester off |
| 00:49.56 | Landon | gj r0bby |
| 00:49.56 | Landon | :P |
| 00:49.56 | r0bby | I expect to graduate in May 2011 |
| 00:49.56 | r0bby | In a 2 year school! |
| 00:49.56 | Landon | I'm doing like 13 hours next semester though, so itll take me a while |
| 00:49.57 | r0bby | (A.S.) |
| 00:50.17 | r0bby | I *COULD* get out sooner if i wanna tank my GPA) |
| 00:50.17 | koryk | I am doing 18 hours this semester... its what I get for doing many 14 hour semesters |
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| 00:50.34 | r0bby | I'm taking one or two courses a semester |
| 00:50.43 | tcoppi | i think I can get out in 4.5 years |
| 00:50.49 | r0bby | :( |
| 00:50.50 | tcoppi | taking about 15cr a semester |
| 00:51.00 | tcoppi | 4.5 years total, not starting from now |
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| 00:51.48 | r0bby | :( |
| 00:52.01 | Drew__ | koryk: Sorry about that, got d/c. Have you been to Scotland? |
| 00:52.07 | r0bby | Landon: I could argue that although it took me 8 years i finished :) |
| 00:52.32 | koryk | Drew__: no I haven't, but my last name is Scottish |
| 00:52.43 | Drew__ | koryk: what is it? |
| 00:52.52 | Drew__ | koryk: if you don't mind me asking :) |
| 00:53.18 | koryk | Drew__: kirk, it means church |
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| 00:54.34 | Drew__ | koryk: cool, I've got no idea what my name means, think it's scottish though.. |
| 00:54.54 | Drew__ | koryk: what kind of project were you looking for? (languages etc.) |
| 00:55.14 | r0bby | My last name is irish |
| 00:55.22 | r0bby | my first name is.. so common too |
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| 00:55.39 | r0bby | Robert which i use Robby or Rob |
| 00:56.01 | Drew__ | r0bby: are you a student as well? |
| 00:56.16 | koryk | Drew__: I am pretty versatile, I am looking for things that interest me more so than things that I can do |
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| 00:56.46 | koryk | Drew__: I like tor, creative commons, OpenCOG |
| 00:56.57 | koryk | Drew__: how about you? |
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| 00:57.11 | r0bby | si |
| 00:57.12 | Landon | if anyone wants to see how insignificant they are: http://www.lfowles.org/irc/gsoc/alltime.htm |
| 00:57.13 | Landon | hehe |
| 00:57.21 | Drew__ | koryk: Yeah, I'm thinking the same way. My problem is all of the specs look really daunting - apparently Uni has taught me nothing! |
| 00:58.07 | koryk | Drew__: yea my formal education has been pretty worthless with a lot of these areas |
| 00:58.48 | Drew__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.50 | koryk | I have not been able to find any mentoring organizations who specialize in wireless networks, which I consider to be my specialty |
| 00:59.04 | ecin | Getting to talk with mentors early can make it easier to decide whether or not you have what it takes to complete a project successfully. |
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| 00:59.26 | koryk | Drew__: definitely, I am just scared I am not going to get accepted and then I will be shit out of luck for a job |
| 01:00.10 | Drew__ | koryk: Do you have any back-up plans, or just this? |
| 01:00.55 | koryk | Drew__: my research adviser said she would hire me for the summer if I didn't get this, but I don't really want to do that all summer |
| 01:01.05 | tcoppi | Landon: hah, I do way better on all-time stats |
| 01:01.11 | tcoppi | #7 vs #20 |
| 01:01.16 | Landon | tcoppi: me too :P only a few hundred behind lh |
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| 01:01.32 | tcoppi | err #6 |
| 01:01.54 | koryk | http://delicious.com/tags/gsoc2009 that is very helpful |
| 01:02.05 | Drew__ | koryk: Hmm, I had a similar offer last year - I don't see myself going into a PhD so I didn't think it would be that good. A couple of friends did it though and they loved it, they were developing a new functional language |
| 01:02.19 | tcoppi | whatever happened to daveman/davemon? |
| 01:02.34 | lh | tcoppi: got email from him the other day. he's alive. |
| 01:02.39 | tcoppi | cool |
| 01:02.39 | Drew__ | koryk: Thanks for that! I found it earlier today but haven't been able to since :D |
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| 01:03.32 | koryk | Drew__: no prob. I just don't want to work for my adviser this summer because then she won't be able to pay me next year, and I would like to have a job then. |
| 01:03.58 | koryk | Drew__: In my opinion research is equivelent to work experience |
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| 01:04.29 | Drew__ | koryk: ah right, that makes sense. Yeah, I was hoping to do the research this year so I'd done both... But I've not heard anything yet from the University :/ |
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| 01:06.07 | koryk | Drew__: yea, I kind of lucked out on getting on a grant mostly because I like wireless hacking |
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| 01:07.48 | Drew__ | koryk: Haha, cool. How much are your fees per year normally? |
| 01:08.08 | koryk | Drew__: extremely expensive :-) |
| 01:08.48 | Drew__ | they're bumping up English and Welsh fees to £7k or something, I'm really glad I'm in Scotland :D |
| 01:08.48 | scorche | mmmm...BSG tonight... |
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| 01:08.59 | tcoppi | yeah :( |
| 01:09.01 | tcoppi | bsg finale |
| 01:09.09 | scorche | sad that it is over, but i cant wait |
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| 01:09.37 | scorche | as they said before this season, it will answer every single question.. |
| 01:09.41 | tcoppi | i hope so |
| 01:09.44 | tcoppi | there are still a lot left |
| 01:10.39 | scorche | i skipped last week's so i can have a 3-hour BSG lovefest this weekend |
| 01:11.09 | Drew__ | koryk: Any more luck with the searching? |
| 01:11.48 | koryk | Drew__: yea, actually - found nMap and ns-3, a network simulator |
| 01:11.56 | koryk | I like networking stuff |
| 01:12.29 | Drew__ | koryk: Cool! I've got a friend who left uni to work with networks, I think he's doing really well |
| 01:12.54 | Drew__ | koryk: I'm starting to really wish our University taught us more C/C++ and less Java looking at these projects! |
| 01:13.14 | koryk | yea |
| 01:13.14 | spectie | dreimark, |
| 01:13.16 | spectie | Drew__, |
| 01:13.21 | spectie | so, do you speak scottish gaelic |
| 01:13.23 | Zounds | Drew__: I had a similar experience reading those lists |
| 01:13.24 | spectie | on the offchance... |
| 01:13.26 | codiferous | Drew__, your university teaches Java? Mine still teaches in C -- I thought we were really outdated, but it's not seeming so, huh? |
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| 01:13.44 | koryk | I have only had one class in c, but luckily I started learning C++ when I was like 12 |
| 01:13.47 | scorche | codiferous: yours still teaching C is a good thing |
| 01:13.50 | Drew__ | spectie: Nah, sorry :) . I'm English just studying in Sctoland, why? |
| 01:14.03 | scorche | hates all these universities turning into java shops |
| 01:14.03 | spectie | Drew__, our project has a project for scottish gaelic |
| 01:14.08 | spectie | scorche, +1 |
| 01:14.31 | spectie | Drew__, if that makes any sense ? |
| 01:14.41 | spectie | Drew__, basically a translator for irish --> scottish gaelic |
| 01:14.42 | koryk | scorche: very true - what language would you prefer them to use? |
| 01:14.44 | spectie | is the idea |
| 01:14.44 | Drew__ | codiferous: Lol, we had one module on C... Nothing on C++ or C# yet. We also had 3 modules on VB.net :/ |
| 01:14.49 | scorche | koryk: C... |
| 01:15.10 | Zounds | they constantly tell us that java is what gets used most in the real world and that that's why they teach it |
| 01:15.15 | guillaumebel | C is all you need :) |
| 01:15.26 | spectie | Zounds, self-fulfilling prophecy ;) |
| 01:15.26 | Zounds | it doesn't seem to get used all that much in open source stuff |
| 01:15.28 | koryk | scorche: in my experience the reason they use Java for computer science is because of the abstraction which goes well with the curriculum |
| 01:15.35 | codiferous | Drew__: I didn't know that Uni really taught VB stuff. I guess it makes sense. I had a class last semester where the professor wouldn't even let us use dynamic memory at all. Our unis certainly sound different! |
| 01:15.43 | scorche | Zounds: i wouldnt say "most", but each language has its place |
| 01:15.49 | scorche | guillaumebel: i wouldnt say that at all |
| 01:15.52 | koryk | codiferous: where do you go? |
| 01:16.03 | codiferous | koryk: I go to University of Idaho |
| 01:16.04 | spectie | our course was mostly in java, but i turned in assignments in C |
| 01:16.10 | ojwb | java is used some in the real world, but I doubt it is "most" overall |
| 01:16.11 | Landon | heh |
| 01:16.14 | Zounds | scorche: on the gsoc projects it seems the C++ is the most popular, I could be wrong though |
| 01:16.14 | Landon | we were java |
| 01:16.16 | Drew__ | spectie: Unfortunately I don't speak either language... What is your organisation? |
| 01:16.20 | scorche | koryk: and because Sun has poured a bunch of money into it... |
| 01:16.21 | Landon | and then it seems we moved to python for a bit |
| 01:16.22 | spectie | (university of aberystwyth c~ 2002) |
| 01:16.27 | Landon | and now they're phasing in C# |
| 01:16.29 | spectie | Drew__, www.apertium.org |
| 01:16.44 | spectie | Drew__, we make machine translation systems and generally language tech for lesser-used/marginalised languages |
| 01:16.44 | scorche | ojwb: it isnt...there are surveys (however more of less scientific they are..) |
| 01:16.52 | scorche | Zounds: seems so |
| 01:16.54 | koryk | I learned Lisp at my school |
| 01:16.58 | ojwb | kind of depends what you're counting too |
| 01:17.02 | koryk | and Java and C |
| 01:17.07 | scorche | Zounds: but python and C are close followers |
| 01:17.12 | Drew__ | codiferous: They certainly do! Somewhere in between would be good |
| 01:17.31 | codiferous | koryk: I'm jealous that you learned Lisp. We only covered it briefly in a survey of programming languages course. |
| 01:17.31 | apinto | Java is the most used programming language indeed |
| 01:17.38 | Drew__ | spectie: I see, what other languages are you interested in using? |
| 01:17.39 | guillaumebel | they teach us java because it's probably one of the best language to teach object oriented programming |
| 01:17.40 | scorche | apinto: in what? |
| 01:17.40 | apinto | http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html |
| 01:17.49 | spectie | Drew__, you mean human languages? |
| 01:17.50 | scorche | apinto: it totally isnt in the broad scheme of things |
| 01:17.54 | spectie | Drew__, well, pretty much any |
| 01:17.55 | Drew__ | koryk: yes :) |
| 01:17.56 | Zounds | I think python makes a much better teaching language than java, in my admittedly limited experience |
| 01:18.03 | apinto | scorche, check the link |
| 01:18.05 | scorche | Zounds: agreed |
| 01:18.13 | koryk | codiferous: we used it for an AI course, my professor is a mentor for the lisp organization - also learned SML before that which helped me understand Lisp a lot better |
| 01:18.15 | spectie | Drew__, we have working systems for most of the romance languages |
| 01:18.25 | spectie | and two celtic languages (breton and welsh) |
| 01:18.40 | guillaumebel | Zounds, well, python can do some weird stuff that other language can't |
| 01:18.47 | codiferous | koryk: That's really cool! I'm jealous. The only person we have that does language stuff works on Icon and designed Unicon. |
| 01:18.55 | apinto | I like Scheme and prolog too ^^ |
| 01:18.59 | Zounds | guillaumebel: oh? |
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| 01:19.36 | koryk | codiferous: yea last year he mentored a project writing a lisp compiler for the Lego NXT - I would never be able to do that... |
| 01:19.38 | apinto | and what about Whitespaces and Brainf*ck? |
| 01:19.39 | apinto | lol |
| 01:19.50 | Drew__ | spectie: Is it a requirement to know a second language on most of the projects? /me is looking through the apertium wiki |
| 01:19.55 | guillaumebel | Zounds, java is a "classic" language, very similar to other language like C# and C++ at some extend, if you see what I mean |
| 01:19.57 | scorche | those arent real languages.. |
| 01:19.58 | Zounds | apinto: or LOLCODE? |
| 01:20.00 | codiferous | koryk: That sounds really intense. |
| 01:20.02 | spectie | Drew__, no |
| 01:20.08 | spectie | Drew__, definitely not |
| 01:20.08 | apinto | Zounds, I don't know that one :s |
| 01:20.13 | spectie | Drew__, i don't speak breton nor welsh |
| 01:20.17 | spectie | but i've worked on MT for them |
| 01:20.24 | Zounds | guillaumebel: I think I may |
| 01:20.31 | spectie | Drew__, you just have to have an analytical mind and a helpful native speaker on hand ;) |
| 01:21.01 | koryk | guillaumbel: that "classic" language is the procedural programming paradigm |
| 01:21.03 | Drew__ | koryk: ahh, I see :) . Where about are you based, USA? |
| 01:21.10 | Zounds | apinto: the semantics and syntax are based on LOL speech (as in: i can has cheezburger) |
| 01:21.24 | koryk | Drew__: yea, I go to school at Villanova University it is outside of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania |
| 01:21.31 | Zounds | apinto: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolcode |
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| 01:21.46 | apinto | does it passed the turing test? |
| 01:22.11 | Drew__ | koryk: Sorry, wrong user! I'm a bit of an IRC novice :S |
| 01:22.16 | Zounds | it's turing-complete if that's what you mean, isn't the turing test the one for AI? |
| 01:22.16 | apinto | "The language has been proven Turing-complete by the implementation of a Brainfuck interpreter" |
| 01:22.39 | Drew__ | spectie: that last message was meant for you :) . Are you based in USA? |
| 01:22.44 | koryk | Drew__: hahaha its cool |
| 01:22.44 | spectie | no Drew__ |
| 01:22.47 | spectie | i'm based in Alacant |
| 01:22.49 | spectie | in Spain |
| 01:22.53 | apinto | yes, turing complete. |
| 01:22.54 | spectie | but i'm from Nottinghamshire originally |
| 01:23.35 | spectie | actually i'm in Bangor (the Welsh one) at the moment for a conference and visiting my sister |
| 01:23.48 | spectie | but i'm going back on sunday |
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| 01:24.40 | Drew__ | spectie: Ah, my parents have a small apartment near Benalmadena. How do you like Spain? |
| 01:24.42 | ojwb | spectie: are you having a lovely time? |
| 01:24.48 | spectie | i love spain |
| 01:24.50 | spectie | yep |
| 01:24.56 | spectie | ojwb, :) |
| 01:25.13 | spectie | Drew__, that's in the Alacant area? |
| 01:25.22 | Drew__ | spectie: Me too ;) . Spanish San Miguel is much better than the beers here! |
| 01:25.37 | spectie | i'm more of an ale drinker |
| 01:25.43 | spectie | so spain is like a desert to me ;) |
| 01:26.03 | spectie | ah, it's in andalucia |
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| 01:26.08 | Drew__ | spectie: Nah, it's the south coast - near Malaga. |
| 01:26.12 | spectie | around malaga |
| 01:26.45 | Drew__ | spectie: My dad swears by Guinness in Spain, I don't think I've ever seen a Spanish ale :S |
| 01:26.59 | spectie | nah, they don't make it |
| 01:27.09 | spectie | the best you can get is 'voll damm special' |
| 01:27.17 | Drew__ | spectie: Our university is having an Ale festival at the end of this month, I think there were 50 varieties last year |
| 01:27.18 | spectie | in my experience |
| 01:27.22 | spectie | nice! |
| 01:27.36 | spectie | Drew__, you're not at the university of edinburgh are you? |
| 01:27.43 | spectie | they have an amazing department for MT |
| 01:27.48 | Drew__ | spectie: Unfortunately ale can be a bit harsh if you're not used to drinking it! |
| 01:28.08 | Drew__ | spectie: Nah, it's Heriot-Watt on the outskirts of Edinburgh. About 6 miles out of city center :) |
| 01:28.12 | spectie | ah |
| 01:28.30 | spectie | ok guys i should get some sleep... more helping people with applications tomorrow :) |
| 01:28.46 | spectie | Drew__, if you're interested in language technology or any of our ideas, idle on #apertium |
| 01:28.49 | spectie | and see you tomorrow |
| 01:28.49 | spectie | nn |
| 01:28.51 | Drew__ | spectie: good night, spectie. Enjoy your full English breakfast tomorrow :D |
| 01:28.57 | koryk | hahaha |
| 01:28.57 | spectie | haha! |
| 01:29.02 | spectie | i'll insist my sister makes me one!! |
| 01:29.07 | Drew__ | haha |
| 01:30.53 | koryk | are there any statistics on the applicant #'s/ # of people who get in? |
| 01:31.30 | Zounds | someone said yesterday that last year there were roughly 3000 applications and 1000 places |
| 01:31.44 | koryk | not bad not bad |
| 01:32.11 | scorche | well, we dont knwo how many apps there will be, but there will be about 1000 spots, yes |
| 01:32.37 | koryk | so as I talk to people in here, I might be competing with them....... |
| 01:32.54 | scorche | no one is competing...people just submit their apps ;) |
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| 01:33.07 | koryk | :-D |
| 01:33.10 | Drew__ | did I read correctly that this year they were hoping more to get "teams of students" into vacancies? |
| 01:33.21 | r0bby | jumps up and down |
| 01:33.36 | ojwb | Zounds: ~7000 applications from ~3000 students |
| 01:33.42 | scorche | "teams"?...GSoC doesnt so teams |
| 01:33.50 | Zounds | koryk: that's right, no-one's competeing....what is it you're interested in exactly? ;P |
| 01:34.05 | scorche | koryk: http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/04/announcing-accepted-student-proposals.html |
| 01:34.09 | Zounds | ojwb: oh, thanks |
| 01:34.10 | Drew__ | um, one sec, I'll see if I can find what I read |
| 01:34.13 | ojwb | and 1150 place IIRC last year |
| 01:34.17 | ojwb | 1000 this year |
| 01:34.22 | codiferous | Drew__: I think I remember reading that they wanted to create a "culture" of students -- maybe two students that don't know each other both accepted for the same job? |
| 01:34.24 | scorche | ojwb: 1125 =P |
| 01:34.40 | ojwb | indeed |
| 01:34.41 | ojwb | http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/ProgramStatistics |
| 01:34.41 | scorche | where are you people finding this stuff? |
| 01:35.03 | Drew__ | codiferous: perhaps, I think it was the reasoning for their being less organisations this year? |
| 01:35.10 | ojwb | if any of it is true, they've failed to actually tell the orgs |
| 01:35.18 | Zounds | so on average people submit a about two applications, interesting |
| 01:35.22 | codiferous | Drew__: I think that's right, but I don't remember where I read that. |
| 01:35.35 | Drew__ | codiferous: me neither :S |
| 01:35.41 | ojwb | Zounds: some seem to try to send the same generic application to every org though |
| 01:35.56 | ojwb | and those go in the reject pile instantly, of course |
| 01:36.01 | Zounds | that seems like a very bad idea |
| 01:36.01 | scorche | codiferous: Drew: let me know if you can find it...whatever it is, it certainly does not sound right |
| 01:36.37 | ojwb | ah, lh did mention something which it sounds like that's a misunderstanding of |
| 01:36.48 | codiferous | scorche: Drew__: http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/search/label/gsoc |
| 01:37.07 | Zounds | like even if such applications weren't rejected out of hand there's a decent chance you'll end up on something you know something about |
| 01:37.15 | codiferous | scorche: Drew__: I think I misinterpreted -- maybe just having more students per organization. |
| 01:37.25 | scorche | you did misinterpret ;) |
| 01:37.36 | thebolt | morning |
| 01:37.59 | Drew__ | ah, I see what it means now :) |
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| 01:38.29 | Zounds | the second something in my last message was meant to be a nothing |
| 01:38.42 | Zounds | >.< |
| 01:38.56 | Zounds | ah mental typos that completely change the meaning of a sentence.... |
| 01:39.14 | ojwb | !stats |
| 01:39.27 | ojwb | socinfo: learn stats as http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/ProgramStatistics |
| 01:39.37 | ojwb | hmm, no socinfo |
| 01:40.29 | Zounds | I like that that document specifies that they don't include antarctica when they say students from all continents |
| 01:41.11 | c_plus_plus | ojwb: I think you need to do exclamation point learn intead of socinfo: learn |
| 01:41.36 | Landon | c_plus_plus: socinfo left with danderson |
| 01:42.27 | ojwb | yeah, I actually checked if it was here before noting it wasn't |
| 01:42.47 | r0bby | ojwb: no.. |
| 01:42.49 | r0bby | !stats |
| 01:42.53 | r0bby | irc stats |
| 01:42.56 | Landon | ojwb: check your logs :P |
| 01:43.01 | r0bby | fuck |
| 01:43.08 | r0bby | er lang |
| 01:43.10 | r0bby | sorry |
| 01:43.16 | ojwb | Landon: I'm too slack to bother |
| 01:43.21 | Landon | er |
| 01:43.24 | Landon | I mean robby |
| 01:43.25 | Landon | >.< |
| 01:43.28 | ojwb | oh |
| 01:44.10 | r0bby | !stats |
| 01:44.15 | r0bby | wtf happened |
| 01:44.22 | r0bby | where did socinfo go |
| 01:44.24 | r0bby | COME BACCCCCCCCK |
| 01:44.37 | r0bby | i need you i need you bad |
| 01:46.55 | ojwb | r0bby: I'm starting to think it got scared of you |
| 01:47.16 | r0bby | I didn't touch socinfo inapproriately! |
| 01:47.29 | r0bby | and I'm not pulling a bill clinton either! |
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| 01:51.42 | r0bby | I <3 it when pathetic people try and friend me on fb |
| 01:52.02 | r0bby | I had to block a guy because he asl'd me, that's not forgiveable! |
| 01:53.38 | Landon | asl? |
| 01:54.25 | r0bby | Landon: 98/f/elbonia |
| 01:54.39 | thebolt | :P |
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| 01:56.00 | r0bby | BAH |
| 01:58.31 | Landon | r0bby: do you have braided backhair? |
| 01:58.36 | Landon | I find that hotter than hot pockets |
| 01:58.55 | Landon | hotter than this pizza I'llstick in the microwave for 2 minutes |
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| 02:02.43 | r0bby | that's hot |
| 02:02.53 | Landon | it is |
| 02:02.55 | Landon | sizzle sizzle |
| 02:03.13 | r0bby | this conversation can't go anywhere good |
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| 02:09.31 | lh | !orgs |
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| 02:11.46 | koryk | before today this channel intimidated me so I didn't talk |
| 02:11.56 | scorche | lh; socinfo has disappeared along with danderson |
| 02:12.26 | thebolt | hi lh |
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| 02:19.40 | cpayan | !orgs |
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| 02:27.43 | allen | !timeline |
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| 02:29.34 | oxcsnicho | motd |
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| 02:31.46 | lh | scorche: bizarre |
| 02:31.50 | lh | thebolt|away: hello |
| 02:32.15 | danderson | failman strikes again |
| 02:32.31 | danderson | but, 1 hour of downtime, 5 reboots and 2 fsck runs later, I finally recovered my root password |
| 02:33.56 | scorche | o_O |
| 02:34.10 | scorche | bring back socinfo! |
| 02:35.02 | Landon | danderson: write that on a postit note |
| 02:35.03 | Landon | :P |
| 02:35.37 | danderson | oops, socinfo |
| 02:35.39 | danderson | moment bitte |
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| 02:36.08 | amit8-88 | maybe socinfo is on his way ;) |
| 02:36.09 | danderson | there we go. |
| 02:36.27 | danderson | Landon: I'm going to, in all seriousness |
| 02:36.33 | amit8-88 | !orgs |
| 02:36.33 | socinfo | "orgs" is http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
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| 02:36.51 | danderson | a 16-char root password, on a piece of paper, in my wallet |
| 02:36.58 | danderson | I use keys for everything anyway |
| 02:37.14 | danderson | but when (like now), the only machines with root keys are 400km away, it's nice to have the root password accessible. |
| 02:37.28 | danderson | also, you can use a lot of low-tech crypto for wallet passwords |
| 02:37.32 | Landon | danderson: heh, I personally keep a gpg encrypted file |
| 02:37.34 | danderson | like spell the password out in swahili |
| 02:37.41 | Landon | but... its on my server |
| 02:37.42 | Landon | >.> |
| 02:38.06 | danderson | Landon: exactly. Wallet passwords work because you already associate value with your wallet, and take steps to protect it and carry it with you |
| 02:38.26 | Landon | yup |
| 02:38.36 | Landon | my list is a little too big to remembber what goes where though |
| 02:38.37 | danderson | plus, if you want to be sneaky |
| 02:38.44 | danderson | you print 150 passwords on a sheet of paper |
| 02:38.52 | danderson | and just remember that yours is number 47 :P |
| 02:38.58 | Landon | so many one-off things my boss has me set up so I had to make a password for $app of the day |
| 02:39.02 | Landon | although |
| 02:39.06 | Landon | I should probably print those out |
| 02:39.07 | danderson | combined with a denyhosts on the server that blacklists after 2 failed attempts... |
| 02:39.10 | Landon | and staple them to the wall at work |
| 02:39.11 | Landon | :P |
| 02:39.27 | thebolt|away | lh: you have too good knowledge of the gsoc projects, people and whats going on for your own good:-) |
| 02:42.12 | thebolt|away | danderson: i do that with pin codes.. i write down the coefficients to some equation (written in hex just to confuse) which i know i can solve.. then one (or more) of the solutions are pin code for something.. |
| 02:42.37 | danderson | heh, nice |
| 02:43.26 | Landon | thats a good idea |
| 02:43.36 | Landon | cantremember diff eq for the life of him though |
| 02:44.19 | lh | thebolt|away: lies. i am a connector. i <3 helping y'al gsd. |
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| 02:45.03 | thebolt|away | lh: :) and we all love you and the work you do, hope you know that :) time to really leave for that exhibition.. |
| 02:47.03 | MatthewWilkes | So, I had an interesting evening. It's the first time I've been so embarrassed by the behaviour of a member of my party in a restaurant that I felt the need to apologise to other customers and the manager |
| 02:47.20 | danderson | ouch |
| 02:47.45 | Landon | I hope it was a kid :\ |
| 02:47.57 | MatthewWilkes | 20 year old girl |
| 02:48.05 | MatthewWilkes | Now ex-girlfriend of my friend whose birthday it was |
| 02:48.20 | Ori_B | MatthewWilkes: ooh, gossip! what happened? |
| 02:48.27 | Landon | gossip! |
| 02:48.52 | MatthewWilkes | She was just being very loud and very crude |
| 02:49.09 | Ori_B | ah. |
| 02:49.10 | MatthewWilkes | making it impossible for people to talk, interrupting other diners to ask them to take photos |
| 02:49.12 | antarus | so he broke up with her? :p |
| 02:49.14 | dberkholz | thought that was normally on the 21st |
| 02:49.21 | Landon | heh |
| 02:49.33 | antarus | dberkholz: you are thinking too america |
| 02:49.36 | Raim | dberkholz: only in america ;) |
| 02:49.37 | MatthewWilkes | Took 15 minutes to order a drink, not letting the waiter leave and come back |
| 02:49.47 | dberkholz | there are other places? =P |
| 02:49.57 | antarus | dberkholz: aren't you flying to the state of france tomorrow? :) |
| 02:50.10 | MatthewWilkes | described famine in africa as "some problems nowadays, food-wise" (my favourite) |
| 02:51.18 | MatthewWilkes | antarus: Yeah, not until afterwards though. I was mortified, couldn't get out of there quickly enough. |
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| 02:52.06 | lh | thebolt|away: thanks. i love all of you too. |
| 02:52.13 | lh | distributes free hugs and the foss love |
| 02:52.37 | antarus | ahh my comments are so crude |
| 02:52.41 | MatthewWilkes | lh! :) |
| 02:52.41 | antarus | so I'll spare everyone ;p |
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| 02:53.15 | dberkholz | antarus: minor details |
| 02:53.42 | lh | MatthewWilkes: hola. |
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| 02:53.54 | lh | goes back to writing melange documentation instead of procrastinating. |
| 02:54.44 | antarus | goes back to..erm...working |
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| 02:54.50 | antarus | got into work a bit late today |
| 02:54.52 | antarus | 3pm ;) |
| 02:54.57 | MatthewWilkes | :) |
| 02:55.30 | MatthewWilkes | Well, 3am here, I'm mostly using the lappy as a vnc into the media centre, as I can't find the remote |
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| 02:55.47 | antarus | late night tv is dangerous |
| 02:56.15 | MatthewWilkes | Is it? |
| 02:56.38 | antarus | stayed up until 5am watching Dr Who |
| 02:56.40 | MatthewWilkes | Dr Who can never be dangerous! Especially with David Tennant, best doctor ever |
| 02:56.44 | MatthewWilkes | Ah |
| 02:56.53 | MatthewWilkes | I see, you may have a point there |
| 02:57.00 | amit8-88 | hugs lh |
| 02:57.18 | Landon | yay david tennant |
| 02:57.28 | Landon | new doctor looks ... interesting. though |
| 02:57.31 | MatthewWilkes | I've done that with some of the old serials, harder to with the new series though |
| 02:57.52 | MatthewWilkes | (adipose episode is on atm) |
| 02:58.05 | antarus | hasn't seen anything of the new doctor yet |
| 02:58.06 | antarus | I am behin |
| 02:58.08 | antarus | d |
| 02:58.13 | antarus | also need to stop buying dvds |
| 02:58.18 | Landon | preferred martha/rose to whatserface |
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| 02:58.33 | MatthewWilkes | Catherine bloody Tate |
| 02:58.34 | Landon | the loud obnoxious one |
| 02:58.36 | Landon | yeah |
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| 02:59.01 | MatthewWilkes | She's not funny, I don't know anyone who thinks she is |
| 02:59.24 | Landon | antarus: matt smith |
| 02:59.30 | Landon | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7808697.stm |
| 03:00.18 | Landon | wait what |
| 03:00.23 | Landon | a stabbing is big news? |
| 03:00.40 | Landon | "We'resending a crew to the scene to update us " |
| 03:01.22 | MatthewWilkes | Landon: ? |
| 03:02.15 | Landon | news just came on |
| 03:02.32 | scorche | ugh...catherine tate |
| 03:02.36 | scorche | dont remind me |
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| 03:03.35 | Landon | you've been reminded |
| 03:03.40 | jelmer | connect OFTC |
| 03:03.53 | Landon | slashfail |
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| 03:11.16 | *** topic/#gsoc by lh -> socghop.appspot.com yielding 500 errors - Known Issue - relax and go enjoy the weekend until resolved - Mentors/Org Admins Read This: http://tinyurl.com/d4zuqb - Read the GSoC 2009 Site User's Guide http://tinyurl.com/gsoc09userguide - Updated Flyers & Program Presentations now the Wiki - Upload your screen casts, etc. to our YouTube Channel (details on mentors and students list) - Help Us Test the GSoC 2009 site: http://tinyurl.com/melangetest |
| 03:12.12 | antarus | relax? |
| 03:12.24 | antarus | has that stuipd song stuck in his head now |
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| 03:16.21 | z4chh | :) |
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| 03:18.15 | lh | decides now is a great time to go home and relax |
| 03:18.16 | lh | ttyl all |
| 03:18.22 | omniter | ttyl |
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| 03:19.29 | omniter | hey guys, it's not like you have to stop talking to your organization after the 23rd, right? technically, you can still discuss with them until up to the application deadline, right? |
| 03:19.30 | apinto | bye |
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| 03:20.29 | apinto | omniter, I didn't see anything saying that you have to stop talk with your organization at all.. |
| 03:20.35 | omniter | i've been working my ass off on a working prototype, trying to get something together to show them before the 23rd, but there's really no reason to, is there? |
| 03:21.08 | omniter | well, because the timeline says 18-23 is when you discuss. and then applications start. i'm just hoping you can discuss until applications END. |
| 03:21.28 | scorche | communication with orgs is highly encouraged throughout all times |
| 03:22.11 | omniter | hm. alrighty then. i guess i can actually take a nap now. -_- |
| 03:22.49 | omniter | cya, ppl |
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| 05:09.11 | devvrat | !faq |
| 05:09.11 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
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| 05:10.09 | ww | what level of 'sophistication' in coding is generally expected from applicants to gsoc? |
| 05:10.16 | Landon | depends :P |
| 05:10.22 | ww | i know :( |
| 05:10.35 | Landon | there are projects for newbies to python up to gods in C |
| 05:10.43 | Landon | and everywhere inbetween |
| 05:10.43 | Landon | heh |
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| 05:11.11 | antarus | ww: there is no 'required' level |
| 05:11.12 | devvrat | which one for newbie |
| 05:11.13 | Landon | really, the ideas page ideally shows you what level of expertise is required |
| 05:11.29 | antarus | I expect most students to be incompetant |
| 05:11.38 | antarus | since I doubt many have too much experience |
| 05:12.03 | Landon | just find an organization that sounds interesting and look through their ideas page |
| 05:12.04 | Landon | http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 05:12.05 | antarus | maybe incompetant was a mean word ;) |
| 05:12.09 | Landon | !orgsbylang |
| 05:12.10 | socinfo | "orgsbylang" is The 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 05:12.16 | Landon | ^ should help as well |
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| 05:12.51 | devvrat | Well in an idea page ,there are things which i am very good at but there are things that i dunno |
| 05:12.53 | ww | so do you think most of the mentoring organizations are looking for students that have already invested significant amounts of time to projects outside school? |
| 05:12.53 | antarus | I guess part of the problem is that building a distro (my org) tends to not attract high caliber coders ;) |
| 05:12.59 | devvrat | Can i still go for it |
| 05:13.19 | antarus | devvrat: you should talk to the people who run the projects in which you have an interest |
| 05:13.33 | scorche | it never hurts to just send an application anyway |
| 05:13.34 | antarus | ww: I think those students have an advantage in some respects |
| 05:13.46 | devvrat | antarus: thanks |
| 05:13.57 | antarus | (experience is an advantage in most fields ;)) |
| 05:14.08 | devvrat | antarus: your org? |
| 05:15.18 | antarus | http://socghop.appspot.com/org/show/google/gsoc2009/gentoo |
| 05:15.24 | hypa7ia | ww: GSoC is partly about getting known people to contribute more, but also about getting new people involved in open source |
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| 05:21.44 | ojwb | there's something for ... well, not quite everyone, but a lot of different people |
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| 05:22.29 | Landon | is trying to find a suitable idea on par with the work of last years idea :P |
| 05:22.36 | ojwb | enthusiasm is desirable too - no point being a star at coding if you lose interest 3 weeks in |
| 05:22.51 | PulpFictionPB | hello.i will be attending a 2 hour workshop on a language that is related to my would be project. should i go ahead and tell the organization freely? |
| 05:22.54 | ojwb | ooh, socinfo returns |
| 05:22.58 | Landon | sadly, the org I was with last year didn't apply/wasn't accepted this year |
| 05:23.02 | PulpFictionPB | how much wokring hour per week are expected from me? |
| 05:23.12 | hypa7ia | Landon: what did you do last year? |
| 05:23.14 | Landon | PulpFictionPB: ideally think of it as a fulltime job |
| 05:23.21 | ww | if I don't have many code examples outside of school, is there any hope for demonstrating an ability to write software for an org, or should I give up hope for this summer and work on demonstrating a code-ability for next year |
| 05:23.27 | ojwb | PulpFictionPB: 30-40 I'd say |
| 05:23.28 | Landon | hypa7ia: started a rewrite of an IRC bot |
| 05:23.33 | ojwb | equivalent to a full time job |
| 05:23.38 | Landon | it acts as a timesheet thingy |
| 05:23.48 | PulpFictionPB | Landon: its just 2 hours a day. should i tell them i m doing this to enhance my skills ? which i truly m. |
| 05:23.49 | hypa7ia | ww: a GREAT way to show your skills to orgs you're interested in is to work on a small patch |
| 05:23.50 | Landon | you tell it "worked XX hours on someday last week and it parses it |
| 05:24.08 | Landon | and stores it |
| 05:24.14 | hwked | !orgs |
| 05:24.15 | socinfo | "orgs" is http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 05:24.17 | cjhopman | [00:10] <Landon> there are projects for newbies to python up to gods in C |
| 05:24.19 | Landon | worked well with my job |
| 05:24.20 | hypa7ia | Landon: neat! |
| 05:24.21 | ojwb | PulpFictionPB: certainly tell the org the truth |
| 05:24.24 | cjhopman | should be "up to gods in c++" |
| 05:24.28 | hypa7ia | i can see that being really useful |
| 05:24.35 | kumarabhi | hypa7ia : but what does a patch do? |
| 05:24.37 | Landon | cjhopman: C++ is too easy :P |
| 05:24.39 | Landon | hehe |
| 05:24.46 | cjhopman | yep. |
| 05:24.52 | cjhopman | :) |
| 05:25.07 | Landon | hypa7ia: if you're still interested I bet I ould dig up the application for it |
| 05:25.09 | hypa7ia | kumarabhi: it shows your skill and committment to the orgs, and gives them some |
| 05:25.26 | antarus | Landon: great, want to trade? :p |
| 05:25.27 | hwked | what's the best way to get in touch with mentors? email? |
| 05:25.34 | antarus | is working on a C++ project right now |
| 05:25.35 | Landon | antarus: trade what? :P |
| 05:25.41 | Landon | oh hells no |
| 05:25.45 | antarus | heh |
| 05:25.47 | Landon | I've got enough on my plate with school |
| 05:25.50 | Landon | :( |
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| 05:25.52 | kumarabhi | hyoa7ia:thats fine. but i dont know what a patch does! |
| 05:26.03 | antarus | shoudl have totally written this in python |
| 05:26.03 | ojwb | hwked: email or irc usually - it may say on the org's projects list or other gsoc info |
| 05:26.05 | antarus | but whatever ;p |
| 05:26.18 | Landon | antarus: what are you working on? |
| 05:26.47 | hypa7ia | kumarabhi: oh! let me explain - when i say "a patch" i mean "a small bit of source code to fix a bug or add a feature" |
| 05:27.00 | hypa7ia | kumarabhi: usually to fix a bug |
| 05:27.03 | antarus | I'm writing an app that accepts HTTP requests and does stuff with them |
| 05:27.16 | antarus | thats about allt he detail I can provide ;p |
| 05:27.17 | Landon | so... cgi script? :P |
| 05:27.25 | antarus | no its a full C++ http server ;) |
| 05:27.26 | Landon | alternate server? heh |
| 05:27.28 | kumarabhi | hypa7ia: thanx,. but how do one find a bug |
| 05:27.33 | Landon | sounds godawful :) |
| 05:27.37 | hypa7ia | kumarabhi: one goes to the bugtracker :) |
| 05:27.44 | Landon | I wish you the best of luck |
| 05:27.47 | ww | you had that pretyped ;p |
| 05:27.48 | hypa7ia | kumarabhi: nearly all open source projects have a bugtracker page |
| 05:27.51 | kumarabhi | hypa7ia:ok |
| 05:28.01 | hypa7ia | kumarabhi: what kind of projects are you interested in? |
| 05:28.01 | kumarabhi | hypa7ia: ok cool |
| 05:28.21 | kumarabhi | hypa7ia: i was interested in anjuta |
| 05:28.28 | kumarabhi | adding some feature in it |
| 05:28.42 | jdkav | guys actually i have the proposal for end-user app |
| 05:29.02 | jdkav | for network-admin |
| 05:29.06 | jdkav | in python |
| 05:29.24 | hypa7ia | jdkav: you need to figure out which org to propose it to |
| 05:29.30 | jdkav | and came to know about UMIT |
| 05:29.35 | devvrat | If some one is selected for 2 projects |
| 05:29.50 | devvrat | then what is the criteria for sorting out |
| 05:30.00 | devvrat | the final project |
| 05:30.03 | scorche | you and the orgs chat.. |
| 05:30.04 | ojwb | devvrat: there's a big IRC meeting with reps from all the orgs |
| 05:30.11 | ojwb | ideally the orgs should consult you |
| 05:30.20 | ojwb | you may need to be proactive to ensure they do... |
| 05:30.24 | scorche | ojwb: that is only for those that havent already sorted it out, of course.. |
| 05:30.32 | ojwb | yes |
| 05:30.36 | devvrat | ojwb: thanks |
| 05:30.49 | ojwb | last year we tried to for our one clash, but the other org didn't respond |
| 05:30.58 | hypa7ia | kumarabhi: were you able to find the bugtracker? |
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| 05:31.05 | jdkav | devvrat, : are u a UMIT guy???? |
| 05:31.09 | ojwb | the student said he preferred us, and I think we just said that in the meeting |
| 05:31.16 | ojwb | (and got him) |
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| 05:31.38 | devvrat | nope |
| 05:32.00 | devvrat | ojwb: which org? |
| 05:32.08 | ojwb | swig |
| 05:32.50 | kumarabhi | kypa7ia:hav not tried yet. let me try |
| 05:33.01 | hypa7ia | :) |
| 05:35.21 | devvrat | are sakai foundation new this year |
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| 05:36.05 | Landon | I wonder if theres anyone doing image processing this year |
| 05:36.06 | Landon | :p |
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| 05:36.20 | devvrat | hehe |
| 05:36.50 | devvrat | has this ever happened that some org is short of applications |
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| 05:37.49 | hypa7ia | Landon: did you check delicious? that's a category on there |
| 05:37.52 | hypa7ia | devvrat: yes |
| 05:38.15 | devvrat | hypa7ia: Can you quote some example |
| 05:38.46 | hypa7ia | devvrat: i don't remember which, but i do recall seeing that being discussed |
| 05:38.58 | Landon | !orgsbycat |
| 05:38.58 | socinfo | "orgsbycat" is 2009 orgs list by category: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Categories (note: work in progress) |
| 05:39.30 | ojwb | certainly some only had a single student, whereas you get at least two slots if you can use them |
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| 05:40.39 | hypa7ia | but it's important to note that even if orgs only get a few applications, they will pick the ones which they think will succeed |
| 05:40.47 | ojwb | wonders if any orgs will fail to do their profile by monday |
| 05:40.50 | ojwb | 3 left currently |
| 05:41.07 | hypa7ia | argh, who changed C++_language back to C++ |
| 05:41.12 | hypa7ia | it breaks the search |
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| 05:41.49 | devvrat | there was a PHP yesterday who said that their admin has gone somewhere |
| 05:41.58 | ojwb | hypa7ia: yeah, and will probably give up slots rather than take applicants they aren't happy with |
| 05:42.00 | devvrat | PHP Guy* |
| 05:42.09 | ojwb | rather than waste mentor's time |
| 05:42.13 | hypa7ia | ojwb: yup |
| 05:42.19 | ojwb | php, python, and ccan |
| 05:42.27 | ojwb | currently |
| 05:42.29 | hypa7ia | this is our first year mentoring, and we're only going to take on a couple of projects |
| 05:42.29 | devvrat | ojwb: right |
| 05:42.42 | Landon | hypa7ia: who are you with? |
| 05:42.45 | hypa7ia | probably 3 max if we get that many slots |
| 05:42.50 | ojwb | hmm, ccan's idea list is a bit underwhelming |
| 05:42.59 | hypa7ia | Landon: xelerance (openswan / dnssec tools / OTR) |
| 05:43.38 | ojwb | they could do with better spam protection on their wiki too |
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| 05:44.02 | Landon | looks like we can never get rid of her |
| 05:44.03 | Landon | :) |
| 05:44.12 | hypa7ia | Landon: who? |
| 05:44.28 | tanjir | hypa7ia: leslie :p |
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| 05:44.37 | Landon | ^ |
| 05:44.42 | Landon | er, what tanjri said |
| 05:45.03 | hypa7ia | oh, hehe |
| 05:45.10 | hypa7ia | i have joins and parts muted |
| 05:45.16 | hypa7ia | so i may have missed some context :) |
| 05:45.21 | ojwb | too |
| 05:45.22 | ojwb | this cjhan |
| 05:45.27 | ojwb | grmph |
| 05:45.35 | ojwb | this channel is impossible without that |
| 05:45.35 | tanjir | lol... my soound server died... :( |
| 05:46.14 | scorche | eh...you ahvent seen anything yet ;) |
| 05:46.16 | scorche | !peak |
| 05:46.17 | socinfo | "peak" is Peak for #gsoc@freenode: 874 (Mon Apr 21 14:44:36 2008) |
| 05:46.20 | hypa7ia | tanjir: i've been having a lot of problems with that |
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| 05:46.28 | hypa7ia | scorche: i remember from last year |
| 05:46.33 | hypa7ia | terrifying irc speedz |
| 05:46.45 | Landon | o.O |
| 05:46.53 | Landon | I thought that looked awfully familiar |
| 05:46.55 | Landon | that's my peak data! |
| 05:46.55 | ojwb | scorche: I have - I gave up hanging out here last year |
| 05:47.17 | scorche | it is even more terrifying when you have a little @ and are constantly trying to get people to behave >_> |
| 05:47.36 | scorche | Landon: yes it is =) |
| 05:47.42 | Landon | that's what +m is invented for |
| 05:47.46 | Landon | :D |
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| 05:53.40 | PulpFictionPB | : The Sounds of Silence |
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| 05:53.59 | lifeeth | not any more :) |
| 05:56.24 | devvrat | http://xkcd.com/461/ |
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| 05:58.22 | PulpFictionPB | IMHO, the best xkcd: http://xkcd.com/538/ |
| 05:58.36 | mitesh | viks, hello |
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| 05:58.56 | AlekSi | PulpFictionPB: +1 |
| 05:59.02 | ojwb | no, the best is http://xkcd.com/404/ |
| 05:59.16 | silv3r_m00n | kblin: hello |
| 05:59.21 | hypa7ia | eastern daylight time signing off, good night #gsoc! |
| 06:00.30 | devvrat | PulpFictionPB: lolz...really good |
| 06:02.03 | PulpFictionPB | ha ha. |
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| 06:05.37 | viks | can anyone help me on how to register my nick |
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| 06:05.53 | Landon | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:06.23 | devvrat | --/msg nickserv help |
| 06:06.40 | Upthorn | 461 is way better than 538 |
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| 06:07.29 | devvrat | "/msg nickserv register <your-password> <your-email>" |
| 06:08.19 | Landon | devvrat: you know what annoys me :P always having to say "without quotes" or something like that |
| 06:08.25 | Landon | <random tangent> |
| 06:08.58 | Landon | why can't we just have a direct link to peoples minds .... eval(make me a sandwich) |
| 06:09.03 | Landon | </random> |
| 06:09.09 | Upthorn | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=freenode%20nick%20registration |
| 06:09.48 | devvrat | Landon: okay |
| 06:10.03 | Landon | :) |
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| 06:10.56 | viks | i dont exactly remember if i registered viks as my nink so how to find who is the owner of it |
| 06:11.04 | viks | *nick |
| 06:11.29 | devvrat | do you remember your password |
| 06:11.43 | viks | no |
| 06:11.52 | viks | i dont remember if i registerd |
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| 06:12.06 | ojwb | well, try to register it? |
| 06:12.12 | ojwb | or did you already? |
| 06:12.18 | Ankur | csn snybody tell me where is the project ideas list uploaded as it was to be uploadeed on 18 of march and due to my academic commitments i was not online for days |
| 06:12.22 | viks | showing already registered |
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| 06:12.58 | devvrat | Try Identifying yourself to nickserv |
| 06:13.02 | ojwb | ankur: you upload it whereever you like and provide a url for it |
| 06:14.00 | viks | do we need to register the nick for each of the channel or server separately |
| 06:14.05 | ojwb | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:14.13 | viks | or the one nivk will do |
| 06:14.16 | caden_ | just one for freenode, viks |
| 06:14.16 | ojwb | registered over 2 years ago |
| 06:14.44 | viks | so its not mine |
| 06:15.01 | viks | because i registered around 6 months back |
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| 06:17.11 | chx | christ, it's SO hard not to add the 'awesome' tag to Drupal in here :p |
| 06:17.14 | chx | http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/PHP |
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| 06:18.48 | scorche | >_> |
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| 06:18.59 | caden_ | <_< |
| 06:19.04 | Landon | >_> |
| 06:19.54 | caden_ | i don't use delicious. can anyone edit these tags on this list? |
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| 06:20.31 | caden_ | i was thinking it would be nice to do a keyword search on all the project descriptions but they are spread across a bunch of sites which makes it a bit tricky |
| 06:20.39 | viks | i am unable to log in with different nick |
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| 06:20.56 | viks | what is the reason |
| 06:21.09 | caden_ | did you register a different nick then? |
| 06:21.33 | viks | unable to register |
| 06:21.48 | viks | because everytime i login using different name |
| 06:21.53 | viks | it shows the same viks |
| 06:22.05 | caden_ | what if you type /nick newname |
| 06:22.11 | caden_ | and then register the new name |
| 06:22.18 | mib_0z13ry | hi all... |
| 06:22.38 | newname | a |
| 06:22.39 | scorche | you know...there *is* a channel called #freenode .... |
| 06:22.56 | caden_ | well instead of newname pick something you like |
| 06:22.59 | caden_ | like vik_ |
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| 06:28.56 | the93D | ok.. so i decided that working on an ubuntu VM isnt good enough for proper devving |
| 06:28.57 | the93D | thing is |
| 06:29.11 | the93D | I can't get ubuntu to run natively :( the kernel doesnt support my card .. I'd have to wait for 9.04 |
| 06:29.27 | the93D | yes, there are other distros. but ubuntu is much simpler to install |
| 06:29.54 | caden_ | i find debian really easy to install |
| 06:29.54 | vikash_nit | so I am new to google summer of code |
| 06:30.08 | vikash_nit | so anyone please guide me my next step |
| 06:30.12 | antarus | most of the common distros are equally 'easy' to install |
| 06:30.22 | antarus | ie you just need to click on stuff ;p |
| 06:30.35 | caden_ | also i found debian runs about 4x slower or worse inside vmware as a vm |
| 06:30.42 | caden_ | yeah pretty much |
| 06:30.51 | caden_ | it's only hard if something doesn't work |
| 06:30.53 | vikash_nit | help me for my next step |
| 06:30.54 | amit8-88 | !faq |
| 06:30.55 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 06:31.03 | amit8-88 | vikash_nit: ^ |
| 06:31.21 | vikash_nit | I am even new to irc chat |
| 06:31.23 | caden_ | does the bot do other commands? |
| 06:31.40 | amit8-88 | !list |
| 06:31.40 | socinfo | Error: "list" is not a valid command. |
| 06:31.47 | amit8-88 | !orglist |
| 06:31.47 | socinfo | "orglist" is http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 06:33.06 | devvrat | vikash_nit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat |
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| 06:34.46 | the93D | caden_ the nice thing about ubuntu is that it has that wubi installer |
| 06:35.08 | the93D | installs ubuntu into an image file that is stored in the ntfs partition in windows |
| 06:35.19 | the93D | but is running natively, so there's very little performance loss |
| 06:35.27 | scorche | <caden_> also i found debian runs about 4x slower or worse inside vmware as a vm |
| 06:35.31 | scorche | it isnt *that* bad |
| 06:35.41 | caden_ | i have not tried that. i tried ubuntu once and it wouldn't work with my wireless card |
| 06:35.51 | scorche | so why is a VM not good enough for "proper devving"? |
| 06:35.59 | the93D | oh, and I tried to run tuxmath (from tux4kids) on a vm. failed.. SDL doesnt run on a vm :P |
| 06:36.07 | the93D | I wanted to join that project for gsoc :P |
| 06:36.16 | scorche | sure it does |
| 06:36.17 | caden_ | <@scorche> thats just my experience-- i did run the same cpu intensive program on it with/without vm and got 4x worse performance |
| 06:36.24 | the93D | scorche: it's just slow overall |
| 06:36.39 | the93D | not so responsive.. |
| 06:36.42 | mib_0z13ry | dsdas |
| 06:36.46 | the93D | and stuff like SDL wont work on a VM |
| 06:36.49 | caden_ | i had 4 installs of debian going, 2 native, 2 vmware |
| 06:36.51 | scorche | sure it does |
| 06:37.20 | the93D | well I'm running an ubuntu VM atm.. on VirtualBox |
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| 06:37.45 | the93D | hmm.. actually, I can run SDL |
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| 06:38.09 | the93D | turns out tuxmath didnt work because it couldn't load a couple of files |
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| 06:39.27 | the93D | also, I miss compiz fusion :P |
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| 06:44.58 | scorche | compiz fusion?...i thought you were talking about a dev machine |
| 06:49.20 | the93D | why can't a dev machine use compiz fusion? :P |
| 06:49.36 | the93D | I'm a sucker for eyecandy :P |
| 06:49.51 | the93D | go on, make fun of me :OP |
| 06:49.53 | the93D | lol |
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| 06:52.19 | scorche | now i know why you whine about it being slow.. |
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| 06:52.43 | chx | actually. the Cube task switcher increases my efficiency as a developer. |
| 06:53.40 | caden_ | i was running gnome on all mine |
| 06:53.50 | caden_ | or fwvm (sp) |
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| 06:54.35 | MaNI | how does it increase your efficiency? |
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| 06:55.31 | the93D | tbh, I found that compiz fusion can be really useful with gimp |
| 06:55.50 | the93D | keep the tools windows on top and on 20% alpha, and keep the image maximized |
| 06:55.53 | the93D | very nice |
| 06:56.00 | the93D | but that's not really devving, so.. |
| 06:56.04 | MaNI | that I can understand |
| 06:56.13 | MaNI | I am curious how the cube task switcher could though |
| 06:56.14 | MaNI | :P |
| 06:56.20 | the93D | no idea :P |
| 06:56.53 | the93D | but really, you have to admin |
| 06:56.55 | the93D | admit* |
| 06:57.00 | the93D | compiz fusion looks good :P |
| 06:57.29 | blast007 | the cube switcher lowers my productivity because I keep spinning it around and making "woooosh" noises ;) |
| 06:57.38 | MaNI | I'm happy with the kde compositing myself |
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| 06:57.46 | the93D | haven't tried KDE4 compositing |
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| 06:58.10 | the93D | but it seems pretty simple and sweet. not too simple, and yet not too distracting |
| 06:58.34 | blast007 | I usually have to turn off the desktop effects because it makes OpenGL games (or at least BZFlag) have more issues, like flickering |
| 06:58.40 | MaNI | it does everything I would consider useful and a bunch of stuff I wouldnt as well |
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| 06:58.44 | MaNI | such as the whole cube thing |
| 06:59.09 | MaNI | quite nice |
| 06:59.22 | the93D | at some point i got addicted to the magnifying tool |
| 06:59.31 | ajuonline | lh: now I am up. got the news ;) |
| 06:59.34 | the93D | where you hold the super key and roll the mouse to zoom in the screen :P |
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| 07:02.36 | the93D | another thing. when switching on compositing in general |
| 07:02.50 | the93D | some stuff get alpha transparency, like gnome-terminal. pretty awesome if you ask me |
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| 07:05.37 | ojwb | discovered you could sometimes get the wobbly windows to wobble forever |
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| 07:05.58 | the93D | wow |
| 07:06.05 | the93D | tuxmath on hardest difficulty is rather hard |
| 07:06.10 | the93D | or maybe i just suck at algebra :p |
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| 07:07.02 | the93D | ojwb: that happens when you reduce the friction and the spring constant or whatever they were called to 0 :P |
| 07:07.34 | ojwb | i didn't do anything like that |
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| 07:10.56 | the93D | hmm... havent experienced something like that, personally |
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| 07:16.32 | haoyu | !log |
| 07:16.33 | socinfo | Error: access denied (owner). |
| 07:16.41 | haoyu | !logs |
| 07:16.42 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 07:16.51 | theConfuser | !help |
| 07:16.51 | socinfo | "help" is see !faq, !advice and !wiki |
| 07:17.00 | anirudhs | !free beer |
| 07:17.00 | socinfo | Error: "free" is not a valid command. |
| 07:17.02 | anirudhs | lol :P |
| 07:17.12 | haoyu | great bot :) |
| 07:17.22 | anirudhs | thank you sir |
| 07:19.45 | ajuonline | yawns |
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| 08:10.50 | devvrat | feels Silence is prevailing |
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| 08:12.34 | PulpFictionPB | The sounds of silence! |
| 08:13.07 | kblin | morning folk |
| 08:13.09 | kblin | s |
| 08:13.28 | devvrat | morning kblin |
| 08:13.40 | AlekSi | good day everyone :) |
| 08:13.50 | devvrat | btw it's afternoon here |
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| 08:13.58 | devvrat | :P |
| 08:14.07 | Ravipriya | hi |
| 08:14.22 | devvrat | hi Ravipriya |
| 08:14.30 | AlekSi | that's what i like in GSoC - timezones! |
| 08:14.50 | devvrat | :) |
| 08:15.03 | ajuonline | its always good morning on irc |
| 08:15.08 | ajuonline | ^5's kblin |
| 08:16.23 | kblin | devvrat: what ajuonline said, besides, it's definetely morning here |
| 08:16.57 | devvrat | okay |
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| 08:23.58 | spectie | is anyone else getting a 500 server error when trying to look at the list of mentors ? |
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| 08:24.22 | disismt | asd |
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| 08:24.45 | ajuonline | spectie: Fran, do a co of the /topic |
| 08:25.01 | spectie | aha |
| 08:25.02 | spectie | great |
| 08:25.05 | spectie | :) |
| 08:25.11 | spectie | thanks |
| 08:25.35 | ajuonline | :P |
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| 08:29.18 | atulagrwl | ajuonline: you applying as mentor or student this yr? |
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| 08:30.00 | ajuonline | atulagrwl: student |
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| 08:34.12 | disismt | hi |
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| 08:44.58 | FallenDevil | !orgbylang |
| 08:44.58 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
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| 08:49.15 | amit8-88 | !faqs |
| 08:49.16 | socinfo | Error: "faqs" is not a valid command. |
| 08:49.19 | amit8-88 | !faw |
| 08:49.20 | socinfo | Error: "faw" is not a valid command. |
| 08:49.22 | FallenDevil | !faq |
| 08:49.22 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 08:49.23 | amit8-88 | !faq |
| 08:49.23 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 08:49.32 | amit8-88 | FallenDevil: thanks :) |
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| 08:56.01 | MatthewWilkes | ``````````````````` +BNVM,, |
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| 09:03.50 | ajuonline | MatthewWilkes: are you *OK* my friend? :P |
| 09:04.44 | [mharrison] | Amazon is trying to sell me "Books for JavaScript junkies". You buy ONE lousy JS book from them and they think you're an addict, sheesh |
| 09:04.54 | ojwb | cat on keyboard? |
| 09:05.21 | ojwb | [mharrison]: they sell you the first one cheap, get you addicted, and jack up the price |
| 09:05.23 | thiago_home | or cat on /bin |
| 09:05.37 | [mharrison] | I vote for keyboard on cat |
| 09:06.25 | mib_qftu5ans | Hi can we discuss some project ideas here or we need to wait till the weekend is over |
| 09:06.42 | pygi | [mharrison], :p |
| 09:06.46 | kblin | mib_qftu5ans: in general, you should discuss project ideas with your mentors |
| 09:07.42 | mib_qftu5ans | thnx but I dont know how to identify the mentor of the project I am looking for here |
| 09:08.16 | dhaun | then ask on their mailing list or irc channel |
| 09:08.31 | dhaun | surely they provide some sort of contact address? |
| 09:08.51 | mib_qftu5ans | thank you very much |
| 09:08.56 | kblin | [mharrison]: I used to think only junkies would buy JavaScript books in the first place |
| 09:09.24 | [mharrison] | heh |
| 09:09.31 | kblin | [mharrison]: but I guess with Ajax the field changed a bit |
| 09:10.03 | kblin | and ever since I wrote a cute little web game in JS for class, I kind of like it |
| 09:10.17 | [mharrison] | kblin, it's all about the jQuery |
| 09:10.39 | kblin | besides, these days flash webpages are the new evil, not JS web pages |
| 09:11.08 | disismt | evil? |
| 09:12.26 | ojwb | no thanks |
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| 09:13.43 | kblin | disismt: yeah. building your website menu in flash is evil |
| 09:13.57 | [mharrison] | aye |
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| 09:14.07 | [mharrison] | Building it dynamically with jQuery = magic |
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| 09:14.28 | disismt | youtube evil? |
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| 09:15.28 | mib_qftu5ans | yes |
| 09:16.04 | ojwb | if you squint, you can see the goatee |
| 09:16.23 | ajuonline | !orgbylang |
| 09:16.23 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 09:17.48 | NicDumZ | the only flaw of that system is that it relies on only one person =) |
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| 09:25.04 | ajuonline | NicDumZ: ??? long time eh :P how are you ? |
| 09:25.28 | NicDumZ | ahah I'm good =) |
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| 09:26.57 | NicDumZ | I'm still alive, looking from time to time at my mails, redirecting newbies to the good channels :) |
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| 09:29.23 | r0bby | BAH |
| 09:29.37 | r0bby | i'll be in an exam on monday when the period opens :( |
| 09:31.05 | NicDumZ | no problem, because you got everything ready days before, right? =) |
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| 09:32.19 | [mharrison] | Oh noes, r0bby |
| 09:32.43 | r0bby | NicDumZ: I have it down :) |
| 09:32.53 | r0bby | I |
| 09:32.57 | r0bby | m ready for the exam |
| 09:33.06 | r0bby | sorta |
| 09:33.17 | r0bby | I've been putting off writing this semi-paper |
| 09:33.27 | r0bby | which my prof has been sooooooooooo vague about |
| 09:33.30 | NicDumZ | yeah, you will start reading about the topic tomorrow evening? sounds perfect :) |
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| 09:33.39 | r0bby | topics |
| 09:33.41 | NicDumZ | that's how any student gets ready for exams. |
| 09:33.42 | r0bby | it's a midterm :) |
| 09:33.54 | r0bby | you mean sunday evening right? |
| 09:33.55 | r0bby | :) |
| 09:34.05 | NicDumZ | yep, Sunday evening |
| 09:34.09 | r0bby | or rather monday morning! |
| 09:34.15 | NicDumZ | probably |
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| 09:34.33 | r0bby | Actually no strike that a REALLY good student doesn't study at all |
| 09:34.34 | NicDumZ | reading before is exam is cheating^ |
| 09:34.40 | r0bby | but magically knows |
| 09:34.46 | r0bby | NicDumZ: no that's reading DURING |
| 09:35.03 | r0bby | reading before is just smart cramming :) |
| 09:35.10 | NicDumZ | if you're allowed to, that's the way to do :) |
| 09:35.14 | r0bby | it's easy shit :) |
| 09:35.21 | r0bby | Parity checkers |
| 09:35.38 | r0bby | Multiplexers or Sexy-plexers as my friend calls them |
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| 09:35.58 | r0bby | has the Quartus II waveform simulation in his head |
| 09:36.03 | NicDumZ | hehehe |
| 09:36.16 | NicDumZ | "I tell you, that 0 is a 1" |
| 09:36.28 | r0bby | She'll give us selection input |
| 09:36.37 | r0bby | we figure oit the oiutput etc etc |
| 09:36.43 | r0bby | Karnaugh Mapping :) |
| 09:36.46 | r0bby | that shit is fun :) |
| 09:36.51 | NicDumZ | don't go, sounds to easy. |
| 09:36.52 | gumanoed | Hallo! I just watched a video on http://code.google.com/soc/ and don't you know where it's possable to get the presentation this guy from google shows ? |
| 09:37.14 | r0bby | Google knows! |
| 09:37.34 | r0bby | (I'm not joking on this one; google the name) |
| 09:37.44 | gumanoed | r0bby: he is not presize :)) |
| 09:37.47 | amit8-88 | gumanoed: maybe youtube :) |
| 09:37.50 | kumarabhi | hey people: why most of the channels are empty , i could not find anybody replying to my questions in many of the channels there? |
| 09:37.55 | NicDumZ | and if google doesn't know, then no one can know. probably. |
| 09:37.56 | kumarabhi | is it night time |
| 09:37.57 | kumarabhi | ? |
| 09:38.10 | gumanoed | amit8-88: i need .odp not flv :)) |
| 09:38.34 | r0bby | hrm.. google the title |
| 09:38.56 | amit8-88 | kumarabhi: its night if you follow PDT , its day if you follow IST ;) |
| 09:39.34 | gumanoed | r0bby: any other keywords? |
| 09:39.50 | NicDumZ | stupid Earth. There's always a place where people sleep :( |
| 09:40.29 | kumarabhi | amit8-88 : i did nt get u |
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| 09:41.22 | NicDumZ | it's night on the west coast of US (Pacific Time, PDT) |
| 09:41.47 | NicDumZ | day in India (IST) |
| 09:41.51 | amit8-88 | kumarabhi: it actually depends on timezones, you are not getting replies maybe because most of the developers of the specific org follow PDT and are relaxing :) |
| 09:42.10 | sonium | hi, what means "current balance" and "available credit" in netserviceaccess? |
| 09:42.32 | [mharrison] | sonium, how much you've spent, how much money you have left |
| 09:43.08 | sonium | but shouldn't this add up to the full 4500USD? |
| 09:43.29 | gumanoed | r0bby: thenx ... "google summer of code filetype:odp" did help http://google-summer-of-code.googlecode.com/files/GSoC2009-Presentation-BlueLogo.odp |
| 09:43.35 | [mharrison] | sonium, balance is divided up by billing period |
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| 09:45.14 | gumanoed | if someone of you from Nizhny novgorod, Russia - come to our LUG meeting to talk about GSoC2009 today at 16:00 GMT+3 |
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| 09:45.42 | AlekSi | gumanoed: I'm from Sarov. :) |
| 09:45.57 | r0bby | gumanoed: google is powerful |
| 09:46.00 | gumanoed | AlekSi: come :)) you have time to take a bus |
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| 09:46.20 | AlekSi | gumanoed: I'm in Moscow currently. |
| 09:46.57 | gumanoed | AlekSi: so then you are late to take a train :))) |
| 09:47.05 | gumanoed | AlekSi: cone next time! |
| 09:47.11 | AlekSi | sure |
| 09:47.35 | gumanoed | AlekSi: lug.nnov.ru .. and you hould know FOG |
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| 09:48.32 | gumanoed | AlekSi: he is from sarov too |
| 09:48.43 | sonium | these bastards charge you 2.5% of the amount you withdraw every time from an ATM |
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| 09:49.18 | sonium | its over 100USD for 4500USD |
| 09:49.30 | [mharrison] | sonium, you haven't spent any since last summer?! |
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| 09:49.55 | sonium | basically no |
| 09:50.00 | AlekSi | gumanoed: http://lug.nnov.ru/index.php?page=uchas&edate=all - is he listed there? |
| 09:50.22 | sonium | [mharrison]: but a really made a deal, as the dollar raised now |
| 09:50.25 | Anixx | Can anybody tell how to find interesting java projects on gsoc........I have tried delicious ,is ther any other link........... |
| 09:50.56 | Anixx | ? |
| 09:51.12 | [mharrison] | ah |
| 09:51.26 | ojwb | interesting, limesurvey seem to have uncompleted their org profile |
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| 09:52.26 | ojwb | or else the melange upgrade has change the criteria for having completed it perhaps |
| 09:52.55 | kumarabhi | amit8-88:how do i know whether it is pdt or ist? |
| 09:53.15 | amit8-88 | ojwb: we have just been approved :) |
| 09:53.20 | gumanoed | AlekSi: hm. don't see him now but he should be there ... write me an e-mail - i'll contack you gumanoed at gmail dotty com |
| 09:53.47 | amit8-88 | The profile will be completed soon ;) |
| 09:53.53 | ojwb | amit8-88: oh right, a late entry |
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| 09:54.09 | amit8-88 | yeah , fortunately for us |
| 09:54.27 | NicDumZ | ahah twitch is a funny game - http://reas.com/twitch/ |
| 09:54.49 | amit8-88 | kumarabhi: www.http://www.worldtimeserver.com |
| 09:55.05 | amit8-88 | http://www.worldtimeserver.com :) |
| 09:55.09 | AlekSi | gumanoed: actually, I rarely go to home town this days. |
| 09:57.24 | ajuonline | sonium: use it online to buy stuff |
| 09:57.32 | ajuonline | or at the local store |
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| 09:58.00 | sonium | ajuonline: but I don't need stuff ;) |
| 09:59.38 | ajuonline | sonium: well you got like a week to figure out what to do with it. |
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| 10:00.35 | r0bby | jesus |
| 10:00.37 | r0bby | it's 6am |
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| 10:01.27 | NicDumZ | hey, availayble credit $5.77 |
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| 10:05.29 | [mharrison] | NicDumZ, nice, go on a spree |
| 10:05.44 | NicDumZ | suggestions? :) |
| 10:07.02 | NicDumZ | meh. paypal is not able to be charged from a visa ? :s |
| 10:07.29 | Ivanovic | paypal can charge visa |
| 10:07.35 | Ivanovic | at least in germany it can... |
| 10:08.14 | NicDumZ | there's probably something with the accounts opened with a French adress |
| 10:08.27 | NicDumZ | I wanted to switch my GSoC card balance to paypal |
| 10:08.31 | NicDumZ | but can't find a way to |
| 10:09.43 | Ivanovic | uhm, you could just go to an ATM with your card, get the money and bring it to a normal bank account... |
| 10:09.45 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 10:11.08 | NicDumZ | with 5.77$ left ? :p |
| 10:11.23 | Ivanovic | okay, this *is* challenging... |
| 10:11.41 | NicDumZ | :p |
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| 10:14.22 | mib_1dtwq8t4 | i want to work on some pdf reader can anyone direct me to right channel |
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| 10:17.43 | ajuonline | google |
| 10:17.55 | ajuonline | summer |
| 10:17.58 | ajuonline | of |
| 10:18.04 | ojwb | love |
| 10:18.12 | ajuonline | yAy! |
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| 10:21.05 | mib_1dtwq8t4 | any organisation in gsoc related to document readers? |
| 10:22.26 | ojwb | mib_1dtwq8t4: quite possibly, but it appears nobody here knows which |
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| 10:22.53 | ojwb | unless gnome or kde are taking part |
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| 10:23.09 | ojwb | ah, they both are |
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| 10:23.14 | ojwb | try them for starters then |
| 10:25.09 | mib_1dtwq8t4 | ojwb: ohh |
| 10:25.26 | mib_1dtwq8t4 | ojwb: some should be having the info. |
| 10:25.43 | mib_1dtwq8t4 | ojwb: i wll try in gnome channel |
| 10:26.48 | ojwb | mib_1dtwq8t4: if there's nobody here from a project which does X, then there may not be anybody here who knows which projects do X |
| 10:27.16 | mib_1dtwq8t4 | ok |
| 10:27.22 | ajuonline | or it just could be a wrong time to ask, since everyone is sleeping :P |
| 10:27.32 | mib_1dtwq8t4 | its fine ..i wll try myself |
| 10:29.56 | Ivanovic | it is by far too early over here |
| 10:30.04 | Ivanovic | the sun outside is shining... |
| 10:30.06 | Ivanovic | brrr |
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| 10:42.36 | Garfeild | hi all |
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| 10:44.52 | devvrat | hi Garfeild |
| 10:45.07 | LaurieJ | hi Garfeild |
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| 10:45.37 | devvrat | hi LaurieJ |
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| 10:46.34 | LaurieJ | devvrat: did we answer all your questions about #sakai? if there's anythign else I can help with, just shout :) |
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| 10:47.04 | devvrat | ya |
| 10:47.17 | susscorfa | !faq |
| 10:47.17 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 10:47.19 | ojwb | LaurieJ: was it you who asked me about the delicious tagging? do you still need to know? |
| 10:47.24 | kblin | hi adimit |
| 10:47.27 | devvrat | the application template requires us to submit CV |
| 10:48.35 | devvrat | LaurieJ: I am still UG and haven't made a professional CV yet |
| 10:48.37 | LaurieJ | ojwb: I figured out that it was a single user thing and that I just need to be patient, I think, but thank you |
| 10:49.03 | ojwb | LaurieJ: actually, the username and password were posted to the mentors list so you can do it yourself |
| 10:49.17 | ojwb | hmm, unless you aren't subscribed |
| 10:49.35 | ajuonline | devvrat: make one on LinkedIN :) |
| 10:49.51 | LaurieJ | devvrat: we don't need a fancy CV :) just one or two sides about you would be fine. We just want to know a bit about you professionally/educationally |
| 10:50.01 | LaurieJ | ojwb: thanks! I'll dig around a bit more |
| 10:50.25 | devvrat | LaurieJ: Ya sure |
| 10:50.45 | kblin | devvrat: I've got the CV I've used for gsoc somwhere, if you need an example. hang on |
| 10:52.02 | kblin | or I don't |
| 10:52.10 | kblin | goes to dig in his backups |
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| 10:53.39 | mib_xeoops9u | s there anyproject of document viewrs for gsoc ? |
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| 10:55.24 | kblin | mib_xeoops9u: ask the kde or gnome people, I guess |
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| 10:55.56 | kblin | devvrat: ok, looks like I don't have it online. but it's not spectacular anyway |
| 10:56.18 | mib_xeoops9u | there is no reply from there |
| 10:56.18 | devvrat | kblin: no problem ...thanks for the help shown |
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| 10:56.46 | ajuonline | my cv isnt any close either |
| 10:56.50 | ajuonline | altho its public |
| 10:56.56 | PulpFictionPB | !log |
| 10:56.56 | socinfo | Error: access denied (owner). |
| 10:57.13 | PulpFictionPB | ehm, can ne point to the log of the channel? |
| 10:57.15 | ajuonline | !logs |
| 10:57.15 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 10:57.17 | sid0 | !logs |
| 10:57.17 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 10:57.28 | LaurieJ | ojwb: many thanks - I've got the Sakai bookmark tagged up now |
| 10:57.30 | PulpFictionPB | ajuonline: dhanyavad :) |
| 10:57.30 | sid0 | beaten ;) |
| 10:57.42 | ojwb | LaurieJ: cool |
| 10:57.46 | kblin | devvrat: it's just a "2003 - current computational biology studies at the University of Tübingen, Germany" and a list of extracurricular activities |
| 10:58.07 | ojwb | I guess you might want to list courses taken, etc |
| 10:58.14 | ojwb | for gsoc purposes |
| 10:58.26 | ojwb | at least if they're relevant to the project |
| 10:58.32 | kblin | dunno, hardly any of the courses I've taken were related to my gsoc work |
| 10:58.42 | kblin | but if you have any of those, go for it |
| 10:58.51 | ajuonline | +1 |
| 10:58.58 | ajuonline | anything that supports - your skills. |
| 10:59.29 | ajuonline | devvrat: if you want to look at mine, its on http://ajuonline.net |
| 10:59.43 | LaurieJ | devvrat: I would expect a u/grad CV to say a little about your schooling to date, your current course (&what it's about - we're not experts on what different degree courses are like - so maybe list the modules or courses you are taking). Say something about your hobbies, especially if you do anything cool/responsible/professionally related (eg you actually run a student society, or you're a worldclass snowboarder, or you maintain a website fo |
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| 11:00.24 | kblin | LaurieJ: you were cut off after "maintain a website fo" |
| 11:00.29 | LaurieJ | devvrat: and don't worry if your courses aren't gsoc related. Sure, we're going to look for tech skills, but it's fine to have those through hobby or volunteer work |
| 11:00.31 | devvrat | LaurieJ: Thnaks |
| 11:00.38 | LaurieJ | darn: "for some reason", I meant :) |
| 11:00.46 | r0bby | o/ |
| 11:00.48 | r0bby | i sleep |
| 11:00.59 | kblin | devvrat: yeah, what LaurieJ said.. :) |
| 11:01.29 | devvrat | ajuonline: thanks |
| 11:02.06 | kblin | e.g. if I had applied for OpenMRS, I'd have listed e.g. my clinical microbiology and my antibiotics courses |
| 11:02.24 | [mharrison] | kblin, eh, wouldn't help you =P |
| 11:02.39 | kblin | just made little point when applying to do crypto stuff for Wine |
| 11:03.15 | kblin | [mharrison]: dunno. it's just to show the perspective I'm coming from.. I never actually looked at their projects |
| 11:03.20 | devvrat | [mharrison]: :) |
| 11:04.02 | [mharrison] | But if you're applying to OLPC, definitely mention that you've touched both laptops and children...I mean...dealt with |
| 11:04.21 | ajuonline | :O |
| 11:04.38 | ojwb | or dealt to? |
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| 11:04.55 | ojwb | means cards of course |
| 11:08.41 | kblin | ah, damn |
| 11:08.51 | kblin | goes to hunt his webdesigner |
| 11:09.00 | devvrat | is olpc there this time |
| 11:09.14 | kblin | devvrat: I've seen sugarlabs |
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| 11:33.36 | devvrat | post it |
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| 11:36.39 | hwked | are there any joomla mentors here? |
| 11:38.43 | Garfeild | what will happen if i will not finish project by August? |
| 11:39.00 | zounds | try #joomla |
| 11:39.58 | hwked | when I mail a mentor for the first time, what are the key points I should mention? |
| 11:42.50 | ajuonline | Garfeild: you fail? |
| 11:43.06 | zounds | I'd go with who you are, what you're interested in and any ideas and/or questions you have for it but I'm a first time student so I may be wrong |
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| 11:44.15 | hwked | zounds: i am first time student too :) |
| 11:45.48 | zounds | hwked: what are you looking at? |
| 11:47.23 | hwked | zounds: I was looking at the idea of a polling suite for joomla |
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| 11:47.53 | Garfeild | ajuonline: for example. so what responsibility for it? |
| 11:48.48 | ajuonline | Garfeild: now i dont know what you are saying :) |
| 11:49.03 | Garfeild | hm... |
| 11:49.10 | Garfeild | sorry (^_^) |
| 11:49.30 | ajuonline | Garfeild: you are supposed to complete your work. for *sure* |
| 11:49.45 | ajuonline | and keep communicating about any problems that you face, with your mentor. |
| 11:50.31 | Garfeild | they will help me, if i have some problems? |
| 11:50.51 | ajuonline | Garfeild: truly depends on your mentor :) |
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| 11:54.28 | dhaun | Garfeild: communicate problems early - the mentor may be willing to adjust the project goals accordingly if there's a good reason |
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| 12:08.33 | hwked | zounds: there? |
| 12:11.34 | k0p | hi all. |
| 12:11.54 | k0p | are there posters available from gsoc? |
| 12:12.31 | summatusmentis | k0p: not that I know of, but quite possibly? |
| 12:12.58 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: hola, |
| 12:13.07 | k0p | yeah. |
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| 12:13.09 | summatusmentis | howsit ajuonline? |
| 12:13.20 | k0p | Last year, I saw |
| 12:13.21 | dhaun | there's the flyer - you could try printing it out to poster size |
| 12:13.26 | ajuonline | good. going out for some fresh air :P see you laters |
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| 12:15.59 | k0p | yeah |
| 12:16.09 | k0p | Where is the flyer? :D |
| 12:16.22 | k0p | I found |
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| 12:17.27 | zounds | hwked: Hm? |
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| 12:18.14 | k0p | thanks |
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| 12:25.24 | Garfeild | hm...where is ubuntu at list of organizations? yesterday it was here... |
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| 12:37.05 | Garfeild | bb |
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| 12:56.37 | smtms | emcho, welcome |
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| 12:58.00 | arunreddy | !next |
| 12:58.01 | socinfo | "next" is March 18-23: Would-be student participants discuss application ideas with mentoring organizations: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
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| 13:14.23 | PulpFictionPB | neone up? |
| 13:14.30 | ajuonline | .o/ |
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| 13:14.42 | ajuonline | \o. |
| 13:14.46 | PulpFictionPB | dude, is there any upper limit on the number of words in an application? |
| 13:14.52 | ajuonline | 7500 |
| 13:14.57 | ajuonline | i guess* |
| 13:15.07 | ajuonline | characters* |
| 13:15.11 | ajuonline | that was last time |
| 13:15.13 | PulpFictionPB | ohk cool :) so it can span multiple pages? |
| 13:15.27 | ajuonline | PulpFictionPB: sahana student guidelines has it mentioned |
| 13:15.29 | ajuonline | you can take a look |
| 13:15.30 | PulpFictionPB | characters or words? LOL. |
| 13:15.34 | ajuonline | characters* |
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| 13:15.49 | PulpFictionPB | oh ! :( |
| 13:15.49 | ajuonline | bows to vimzard |
| 13:16.06 | vimzard | ajuonline: yo |
| 13:16.13 | ajuonline | vimzard: march 28, meetup at chennai airport? what say? |
| 13:16.14 | vimzard | ajuonline: 'sup? |
| 13:16.23 | vimzard | thinks melange developers are _awesome_ |
| 13:16.29 | ajuonline | vimzard: they are |
| 13:16.33 | ajuonline | #melane hail!! |
| 13:16.49 | vimzard | ajuonline: sure, |
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| 14:04.19 | kumarabhi | students have started getting accepted to organizations ., how is it so? |
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| 14:04.41 | kblin | they have? I pretty much doubt that |
| 14:05.11 | ajuonline | kumarabhi: the process has not even started. |
| 14:05.26 | kumarabhi | ok |
| 14:05.30 | merlijn | nothing is really final until the accepted students have been announced by google |
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| 14:05.37 | devvrat | the silence broke |
| 14:05.50 | kumarabhi | ok do orgs conduct interview ? |
| 14:06.09 | merlijn | you can however now work on your proposal now together with your mentors so that you are quite likely to be in the top of your orgs rankings :) |
| 14:06.09 | kblin | well. lots of orgs prefer if you talk to them prior to applying |
| 14:06.15 | kblin | I know that I do :) |
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| 14:08.14 | mordante | I also do |
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| 14:08.31 | merlijn | gsoc should actually come with a addictiveness warning - I know my summer will be pretty busy already, yet I find myself talking to mentors about projects hehe |
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| 14:11.10 | pygi | has been talking with kblin for few years now, does that counts? :-P |
| 14:11.26 | ajuonline | as well |
| 14:11.45 | ajuonline | kblin: mentor/student? |
| 14:11.50 | ajuonline | this year* |
| 14:11.50 | kblin | but none of you ever applied to any project I mentor, thatd doesn't count :) |
| 14:12.01 | pygi | kblin, :-/ |
| 14:12.07 | pygi | kblin, do you have anything fun? :) |
| 14:12.19 | kblin | ajuonline: mentor, I don't have time to participate as a student |
| 14:12.42 | ajuonline | kblin: wine? |
| 14:12.49 | kblin | pygi: sure.. at least I'd consider them fun ;) |
| 14:12.56 | pygi | kblin, lets make some burning app work on linux :p |
| 14:13.19 | pygi | kblin, tell me about those then :D |
| 14:13.36 | kblin | ajuonline: no, I don't have a wine proposal this time, I'm focusing on an artwork management system for artists this year |
| 14:14.55 | kblin | pygi: google->enter "wine summer of code", click "i'm feeling lucky" |
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| 14:15.44 | kblin | or "samba soc ideas" and "i'm feeling lucky" |
| 14:16.47 | kblin | for "worldforge summer of code", "I'm feeling lucky" will only get you the blog post, but that has a link to the ideas page ;) |
| 14:16.57 | pygi | kblin, how hard is this: Winelib Aware Scons |
| 14:16.58 | pygi | ? :D |
| 14:17.09 | kblin | pygi: we're still discussing that |
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| 14:17.22 | kblin | I'm not convinced it's a good project |
| 14:17.46 | kblin | and it's been ages since I last looked at scons |
| 14:17.58 | smtms | scons are participating this year |
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| 14:18.16 | smtms | so, I'd say leave the scons projects to scons |
| 14:18.22 | kblin | also, the guy who proposed it is not going to mentor it, so I'm not sure who'll take over instead |
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| 14:18.39 | pygi | not fun then :) |
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| 15:00.16 | danderson | Password: |
| 15:00.30 | ajuonline | sudo passwd ? |
| 15:00.31 | oxcsnicho | ... sorry for the ls obsessive-compulsive disorder |
| 15:00.47 | ajuonline | oxcsnicho: you might want to do a /names |
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| 15:12.00 | oxcsnicho | ajuonline: LOL XD |
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| 15:17.16 | funDoo | !faq |
| 15:17.16 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
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| 15:25.40 | amit8-88 | !orgbylang |
| 15:25.40 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
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| 15:30.03 | anuj | hi |
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| 15:50.46 | k03chandra | i have experience in java programming, what organisations should i select to work for? |
| 15:51.20 | dhaun | !orgsbylang |
| 15:51.21 | socinfo | "orgsbylang" is The 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 15:51.38 | dhaun | pick one of those that are tagged with "Java" then :-) |
| 15:51.49 | chx | http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/Java |
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| 16:00.56 | chunmun | lh, danderson ^^ |
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| 16:04.07 | merlijn | !advice |
| 16:04.08 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
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| 16:29.39 | devvrat | !orgbylang |
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| 16:31.53 | katsu-mi | Is it bad if I don't have any great ideas that I would like to realise during GSoC? |
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| 16:32.57 | dhaun | katsu-mi: the orgs have lists of their own ideas, why not pick one of those? |
| 16:34.19 | katsu-mi | dhaun, I wasn't sure if its ok, bacause creativity is always appreciated |
| 16:35.07 | dhaun | the lists are there for a reason - this is stuff that the orgs would like to see implemented |
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| 16:35.27 | dhaun | you could always try to give it a little spin of your own if you want to be creative ... |
| 16:35.28 | katsu-mi | dhaun, ok, thanks for help :) |
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| 16:43.37 | LaurieJ | katsu-mi: certainly for my org, the ideas list is stuff we would love to do but don't currently have dev time for |
| 16:46.02 | k03chandra | hi |
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| 16:46.56 | toni_marie | katsu-mi: the Joomla project is actually low on ideas right now. We have whitepapers and such and feature requests... but ideas are definitely welcome |
| 16:47.22 | toni_marie | the key is to have something that is useful to the project/organization, and reasonable to finish during the SOC term |
| 16:47.38 | skbohra | !next |
| 16:47.38 | socinfo | "next" is March 18-23: Would-be student participants discuss application ideas with mentoring organizations: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 16:47.50 | k03chandra | i'm from India and i'm in the second year of my computer major.i want to know as i have no prior experience of coding on such a level , but i believe i can do it and i have all the ingredients, how can i prove myself in my application? |
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| 16:49.10 | ThomasWaldmann | k03chandra: the orgs usually have some appl template |
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| 16:49.17 | ofosho | If you apply to multiple organization that both want you, how is this issue resolved? |
| 16:49.39 | kblin | ofosho: the orgs get together and talk about it |
| 16:50.33 | ThomasWaldmann | k03chandra: you can prove insights by giving own ideas in your application, insights into the problem you are trying to solve, knowledge of some code you'll deal with |
| 16:50.33 | ofosho | So, is there a way for you to rank organizations, or do they just pick? Like can I have a priority choice? |
| 16:51.00 | kblin | ofosho: some orgs will ask you for your preference, but they're not required to |
| 16:51.01 | k03chandra | Thanks thomas |
| 16:51.12 | ofosho | kblin: thank you |
| 16:51.54 | katsu-mi | If I have some idea but I'm not sure how realize it, should I write to the or I'm interested in about it? |
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| 16:53.13 | toni_marie | katsu-mi if they're anything like our org, then yes you should find out where they're discussing ideas and get involved in the discussion |
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| 17:27.09 | ankush | !lo |
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| 17:27.14 | ankush | !log |
| 17:27.14 | socinfo | Error: access denied (owner). |
| 17:27.42 | scorche | !logs |
| 17:27.42 | socinfo | "logs" is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 17:27.52 | ankush | thanks |
| 17:28.44 | HanzZ | hi, I've somewhere read how long can be application, but I can't find it just know. Does anybody know how many characters I can write? thanks for response |
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| 17:32.26 | Bender2k14 | Does anyone know why Ubuntu is no longer in the list of mentoring organizations? |
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| 17:37.11 | ajuonline | too late already spammed :P |
| 17:39.52 | fargiolas | I just realized that I've not filled the past gsoc survey yet, is it too late? |
| 17:40.24 | ajuonline | oh dear lord. |
| 17:40.28 | fargiolas | ajuonline: :) |
| 17:40.39 | fargiolas | should really adopt gtd system |
| 17:40.40 | ajuonline | the one lh sent recently? |
| 17:40.51 | ajuonline | i dont think so its late. |
| 17:41.06 | fargiolas | ajuonline: oh right it's just ten days :) |
| 17:41.26 | ajuonline | yeah, i thought you were talking about, the final student survey :P |
| 17:41.36 | fargiolas | ajuonline: heheh |
| 17:41.36 | ajuonline | one we were to fill before final assessments |
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| 17:42.09 | fargiolas | ajuonline: it's just that too much studying makes me lose sense of the time passing |
| 17:42.21 | fargiolas | I thought lh sent it some month ago :) |
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| 17:43.43 | kblin | !timeline |
| 17:43.43 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 17:53.55 | *** topic/#gsoc by lh -> Mentors/Org Admins Read This: http://tinyurl.com/d4zuqb - Read the GSoC 2009 Site User's Guide http://tinyurl.com/gsoc09userguide - Updated Flyers & Program Presentations now the Wiki - Upload your screen casts, etc. to our YouTube Channel (details on mentors and students list) - Help Us Test the GSoC 2009 site: http://tinyurl.com/melangetesters - This channel is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 18:10.26 | bobbens | gsoc is considered full time work for 3 months right? |
| 18:10.39 | bobbens | is finally writing up last year's report to try to get credits |
| 18:11.04 | glaksmono | bobbens: if you want, but i believe LH'll write 20 hours per week |
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| 18:12.03 | bobbens | mmm, i coded more then that but oh well :) |
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| 18:12.41 | toad_ | one of our admins wants to be a student - if i kick him out (and find another backup admin), can he apply as a student on monday? |
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| 18:14.40 | devvrat | wonders why admins wants to be a student |
| 18:15.16 | toad_ | cash? |
| 18:15.21 | Graxe | I just wanted to ask if anyone could explain to me how much experience is actually required for the google summer of code projects. From what I can tell I don't think I have nearly enough programming experience but I think I'm still going to try to apply. |
| 18:15.26 | devvrat | :) |
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| 18:15.57 | toad_ | Graxe: it can vary from being an established project member of an OSS project to being a complete newbie student - it's really down to the projects |
| 18:16.11 | King_of_darkness | http://opencog.org/wiki/Ideas what are the topics there... |
| 18:16.16 | toad_ | Graxe: our students have varied dramatically in experience and abilities |
| 18:16.25 | Lennie | toad_, should work |
| 18:16.25 | King_of_darkness | i mean shud we implement everthing listed in the context?!? |
| 18:16.31 | Lennie | toad_, if he gets an error let us know :) |
| 18:17.17 | Graxe | toad_: Thanks thats encouraging. :) |
| 18:17.30 | toad_ | Lennie: ok thanks |
| 18:17.31 | Lennie | Graxe, being passionate is most important |
| 18:18.18 | toad_ | Graxe: having said that, several of our students had far lower abilities than we'd expected based on their applications; we should have failed them but didn't - we now have a policy of asking a student to make a small contribution (small feature, small bugfix) before we accept them |
| 18:18.18 | Graxe | I'm not real great at programming though. I can do html and css no problem but I only have like basic grasps of java otherwise. I do like to fool around in processing sometime though. :) |
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| 18:18.46 | Lennie | Graxe, try to find a project you like to work on |
| 18:18.49 | Lennie | !orgbylang |
| 18:18.49 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 18:18.58 | Lennie | check out the website :) |
| 18:19.05 | Lennie | with that I'm off, ttyal |
| 18:19.06 | tushar_hailstone | Lennie: I am a newbie as far as Summer of code is concerned, so what if I know only C,C++ programming and little bit of PHP,MYSQL, and HTML |
| 18:19.19 | Lennie | there should be c and c++ projects in there |
| 18:19.21 | Graxe | thank you Lennie :) |
| 18:19.25 | King_of_darkness | http://opencog.org/wiki/Ideas what are the topics there guys |
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| 18:19.29 | King_of_darkness | there are too many |
| 18:19.33 | Lennie | http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/C |
| 18:19.37 | King_of_darkness | i mean in context in that link |
| 18:19.38 | tushar_hailstone | Lennie, but i have no clue as to what should i do |
| 18:19.52 | Lennie | ask around, I have to go :D |
| 18:20.01 | tushar_hailstone | ok thanks |
| 18:20.03 | Lennie | should be enough experienced people in here |
| 18:20.34 | devvrat | tushar_hailstone: Read the faqs |
| 18:20.38 | devvrat | !faq |
| 18:20.38 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 18:20.54 | tushar_hailstone | socinfo, i have gone through them |
| 18:20.55 | socinfo | Error: "i" is not a valid command. |
| 18:21.04 | dho_plan9 | socinfo is a bot. |
| 18:21.04 | socinfo | Error: "is" is not a valid command. |
| 18:21.05 | tushar_hailstone | sorry |
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| 18:22.09 | hub | hi |
| 18:22.14 | tushar_hailstone | Hello, anybody who could help me out |
| 18:22.15 | hub | I have a question |
| 18:22.26 | hub | I'm a admin for an organization is GSoC |
| 18:22.40 | hub | when I apply to be a mentor, I get asked ALL the info again |
| 18:22.43 | hub | why? |
| 18:22.51 | devvrat | tushar_hailstone: please post your prblm |
| 18:23.00 | hub | I mean I already filed it twice |
| 18:23.04 | dhaun | hub: that's just the way it is now ... |
| 18:23.25 | hub | dhaun: any plan to have that fixed? |
| 18:23.26 | dhaun | I think there's already a bug report for it, but for now we'll have to live with it |
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| 18:24.20 | hub | so it is a feature and not a bug |
| 18:24.35 | tushar_hailstone | devvrat: I am a newbie as far as GSOC is concerned, have good knowldege of C whereas intermediate knowledge of C++, am also experienced in using basics of html, php, mysql, I am confused as to what I should take as a project? |
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| 18:25.27 | Graxe | tushar_hailstone: I think part of the point is that we are supposed to figure out that for ourselves and what we think we can accomplish. ;) |
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| 18:26.05 | dho_plan9 | That's also part of the point behind SoC |
| 18:26.21 | tushar_hailstone | Graxe: the problem is that I have never done big projects. So am inexperienced |
| 18:26.42 | dho_plan9 | It's part of the mentoring organization's job to teach you about those things. |
| 18:26.44 | Upthorn | tushar_hailstone: the point of GSoC is to gain experience. |
| 18:26.48 | dho_plan9 | ^ |
| 18:26.55 | Graxe | tushar_hailstone: Same here. |
| 18:27.04 | devvrat | tushar_hailstone: Those things you can gradually learn too |
| 18:27.14 | dho_plan9 | Still, you'll need the personal insight and ability to come up with a good application. |
| 18:27.23 | tushar_hailstone | So how do I decide to go forward with things |
| 18:27.35 | dho_plan9 | There are plenty of examples of good applications. Well formed sentences, a demonstration of understanding the ideas at at least a high level |
| 18:27.40 | devvrat | tushar_hailstone: Demostrate some of your skill and show your enthusiasm about the project |
| 18:28.01 | Upthorn | Remember that you can propose a project that is not on the ideas list |
| 18:28.03 | tushar_hailstone | But how do I decide the project? |
| 18:28.09 | dho_plan9 | tushar_hailstone: You find a few projects you're interested in, either pick a project from their suggestions list or propose your own |
| 18:28.17 | dho_plan9 | tushar_hailstone: You can apply to as many as you'd like. |
| 18:28.28 | Upthorn | I thought there was a limit of 20 |
| 18:28.35 | dho_plan9 | Well, practically :) |
| 18:28.46 | tushar_hailstone | But it happens that I may not be capable to handle that level of complexity |
| 18:28.52 | ThomasWaldmann | applying to tons of projects rarely makes sense |
| 18:28.53 | devvrat | but practically it doesn't reaches there |
| 18:29.11 | dho_plan9 | If you're too worried about the final outcome to apply, maybe you shouldn't apply. |
| 18:29.16 | devvrat | Quality important |
| 18:29.33 | dho_plan9 | But I feel that argument is missing the big picture |
| 18:29.50 | Upthorn | tushar_hailstone: the important thing to remember |
| 18:29.53 | tushar_hailstone | I dont want to aplly for the sake of applying as i want to continue contributing in the future even |
| 18:30.01 | Upthorn | is that you can propose your own projects to the mentoring organizations |
| 18:30.07 | dho_plan9 | The point of this process is to learn and to gain experience. Not attempting application because you don't have any background is missing the forest for the trees. |
| 18:30.19 | Upthorn | which means that you can make something at a level of complexity that you choose for yourself |
| 18:30.27 | devvrat | dho_plan9: rightly said |
| 18:30.39 | Upthorn | And if it is a good idea for an improvement |
| 18:30.50 | dho_plan9 | Upthorn: indeed. |
| 18:30.58 | Upthorn | it is likely to be accepted |
| 18:31.04 | dho_plan9 | Also keep in mind, you're working with someone who has significant practical experience in the project. |
| 18:31.19 | dho_plan9 | That person exists to mentor you through the process. |
| 18:31.24 | tushar_hailstone | But if i say that i have no previous development experience? |
| 18:31.48 | Upthorn | If you're worried about a project being to complex, propose a number of simple tasks that you can do over the space of 3 months |
| 18:32.01 | dho_plan9 | That's a good idea, too. |
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| 18:32.15 | tushar_hailstone | So the basic thing is to be true to oneself , right? |
| 18:32.16 | ThomasWaldmann | tushar_hailstone: maybe it depends a bit on the organization, but I guess most do not expect to teach you coding on the total beginner level. |
| 18:32.25 | dho_plan9 | A lot of projects have a number of maintenance tasks that don't get completed because they're daunting, tedious, time consuming as a whole, etc. |
| 18:32.39 | dho_plan9 | They're typically low-hanging-fruit that people don't want to do because they're busy with other things. |
| 18:32.41 | Upthorn | tushar_hailstone: That's a good way of looking at it |
| 18:32.53 | Upthorn | incidentally |
| 18:32.54 | dho_plan9 | That's a good way of looking at life in general :) |
| 18:32.54 | monsieurp | dho_plan9: some organisations clearly present GSoC in a way of recruiting future developpers, that can fear some students.. |
| 18:33.05 | ThomasWaldmann | so, if you have no clue about programming language X, don't apply for a X project. |
| 18:33.23 | dho_plan9 | monsieurp: We'll take whoever we can get :\ |
| 18:33.31 | dho_plan9 | To add to our legion of 6! |
| 18:33.49 | dho_plan9 | (there are probably less than 100 real plan 9 users / developers) |
| 18:33.55 | tushar_hailstone | ok, and what i do understand Programming language X but not able to have a clear idea, then? |
| 18:34.19 | tushar_hailstone | i mean clear idea of the project? |
| 18:34.25 | ThomasWaldmann | tushar_hailstone: but, most orgs also do NOT expect you to be a expert X programmer with 20 years experience either |
| 18:34.28 | bobbens | tushar_hailstone: then start reading and learning :) |
| 18:34.30 | dho_plan9 | tushar_hailstone: speak with the organization, ask if they might have ideas that they think you'd be a good fit for, or pick a project that seems fitting for your level of skill. |
| 18:34.41 | monsieurp | tushar_hailstone: ask thousand questions to mentors by mail/IRC/IM |
| 18:34.43 | dho_plan9 | Communication is really, really important here. |
| 18:34.48 | monsieurp | yep :) |
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| 18:35.09 | ThomasWaldmann | dho_plan9: i was recently looking at some plan9 videos :) |
| 18:35.29 | ThomasWaldmann | cool stuff. but I guess it still has no python, right? |
| 18:35.40 | Graxe | tries to think of what plan9 is without googling. |
| 18:35.44 | dho_plan9 | We have about 3138912 different python ports :\ |
| 18:35.47 | Graxe | Its an OS right? |
| 18:35.52 | tushar_hailstone | is CCAN there in gsoc? |
| 18:35.53 | dho_plan9 | Yes |
| 18:36.00 | Graxe | tries to think of who made it...... |
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| 18:36.12 | Ori_B | dho_plan9: now you just need a Limbo port? |
| 18:36.19 | ThomasWaldmann | dho_plan9: sounds like you need a wiki for coordinating people :D |
| 18:36.25 | dho_plan9 | doesn't like limbo |
| 18:36.26 | monsieurp | I agree with that, because you have to communicate a lot, even before making a proposal, in order to ask piece/several informations about your project |
| 18:36.42 | dho_plan9 | ThomasWaldmann: We've got a wiki, project page, irc, and mailing lists set up |
| 18:36.48 | dho_plan9 | Ori_B: we need a lot of things. |
| 18:36.55 | dho_plan9 | Mostly interested and bright new users and developers. |
| 18:37.00 | Ori_B | dho_plan9: yeah; I know. |
| 18:37.11 | vanRossum | for applying to gsoc do you have to know everything about the companies project and be sure that you can finish it, or can you simply learn some stuff while you are doing the project? |
| 18:37.14 | dho_plan9 | Oh, I see :) |
| 18:37.15 | Ori_B | I'm one of them (I just got my internship offer from Bell Labs :D) |
| 18:37.19 | ThomasWaldmann | dho_plan9: is there some wiki page about the plan9 python state? |
| 18:37.44 | dho_plan9 | ThomasWaldmann: There's probably more info on 9fans; there are a couple of working ports in /n/sources/contrib |
| 18:38.02 | ThomasWaldmann | I don't use plan9 yet. |
| 18:38.13 | monsieurp | too |
| 18:38.23 | scorche | vanRossum: you dont have to know everything, but it wouldnt be honest (imo) if you were to apply for a project that you couldnt finish |
| 18:38.28 | Graxe | anyone know about this project "nuigroup" |
| 18:38.33 | dho_plan9 | vanRossum: All organizations are looking for bright individuals who seem apt to complete the task. The whole thing is a learning experience, and you're not expected to have a deep level of understanding about anything. |
| 18:38.43 | Graxe | it sounds really interesting. |
| 18:38.52 | dho_plan9 | But you're expected to have at least a high/mid level understanding about the project you're working towards. |
| 18:39.34 | ThomasWaldmann | vanRossum: wait until guido comes! :P |
| 18:40.12 | devvrat | But there are things where i am really good at and things which i am not very muvh familiar with ....in that case what should i do |
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| 18:40.19 | devvrat | *much |
| 18:40.33 | scorche | learn |
| 18:40.43 | vanRossum | i have some experience with the subject i want to chose but how can i be sure that i can finish it in 3 months |
| 18:40.58 | dho_plan9 | vanRossum: By planning carefully and working well and communicating with your mentor. |
| 18:41.04 | scorche | vanRossum: many orgs will ask that you try and plan it out |
| 18:41.32 | dho_plan9 | Your project plan and scope may be changed prior to acceptance. Talk with your organization's mentors and ask them what you can do to improve your plan. |
| 18:41.38 | dho_plan9 | Communication is key |
| 18:42.04 | vanRossum | thanks guys I wish you luck |
| 18:42.09 | Ori_B | vanRossum: also, it's a good idea to discuss the project before you apply to it |
| 18:42.28 | Ori_B | so you should have a good understanding of what you're going to do and how you're going to approach it before you apply |
| 18:42.37 | scorche | s/good/fantastically great ;) |
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| 18:42.45 | devvrat | That is what i am doing but difficult to convince the mentor |
| 18:42.48 | scorche | erm...for the line above the last |
| 18:42.55 | rohananil | could someone help with a makefile :) ? |
| 18:42.59 | Ori_B | ideally, you'd have that in your proposal. |
| 18:43.44 | ajuonline | why is this screen looking weird |
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| 18:44.48 | ajuonline | freebsdgirl: you like Mountain dew? |
| 18:45.12 | Ori_B | rohananil: it's easier to help if you ask your question. |
| 18:46.02 | rohananil | i need to set file permission for a file as 4711 , where do is specify that |
| 18:46.06 | rohananil | :) |
| 18:46.11 | tushar_hailstone | chmod |
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| 18:48.16 | rohananil | is there a way to configure it somehow in the makefile |
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| 18:49.31 | Ori_B | rohananil: you can use variables? |
| 18:50.01 | Ori_B | also, presumably you need to set the permissions on install; correct? |
| 18:50.08 | Ori_B | if so, see 'man install' |
| 18:50.21 | rohananil | yes , ok :) |
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| 19:23.42 | torghul | there was a list of organizations by language last year. is there any for this year's organizations? |
| 19:23.52 | dhaun | !orgbylang |
| 19:23.52 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 19:24.03 | torghul | thanks |
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| 19:43.59 | thomastc | vanRossum: you don't happen to be family of Guido's do you? :) |
| 19:44.15 | Ori_B | wonders if there's anyone here who knows much about DSP stuff? |
| 19:44.35 | tcoppi | what kind of DSP stuff |
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| 19:49.09 | Ori_B | tcoppi: decoding an APT image |
| 19:49.16 | Ori_B | so essentially a fax image |
| 19:49.46 | Ori_B | I've gotten it to the point where I can see an image, more or less, but I need to figure out how to detect the sync pulses so that I can know where the line starts |
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| 19:58.48 | chintz | I am literally mourning that OLAT was not accepted this time, I had a proposal for them |
| 19:59.13 | ajuonline | hands a pint to chintz |
| 19:59.15 | smtms | what's OLAT? |
| 19:59.15 | ajuonline | relax :) |
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| 20:13.44 | sid0 | yes |
| 20:13.56 | gobbo | sid0: DNS? |
| 20:14.08 | codestasher | hi all, i am installing openswan-2.6.20 on my linux n it says that i will have to modify the TCP/IP stack and rebuld kernel, plz tell me that does it support ipv4 also ?? |
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| 20:14.29 | sid0 | one of the proxies |
| 20:14.35 | sid0 | is also a DNS server |
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| 20:21.47 | chintz | but i think the same tool can be good for Google Apps too |
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| 20:23.17 | chintz | Is there any one here who would mentor projects submitted to google |
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| 20:24.06 | chintz | by projects i mean project proposals or ideas by students |
| 20:24.06 | *** topic/#gsoc by lh -> Help Needed with Melange Testing http://tinyurl.com/melangetestguide - Read the GSoC 2009 Site User's Guide http://tinyurl.com/gsoc09userguide - Updated Flyers & Program Presentations now the Wiki - Upload your screen casts, etc. to our YouTube Channel (details on mentors and students list) - Help Us Test the GSoC 2009 site: http://tinyurl.com/melangetesters - This channel is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 20:24.55 | ThomasWaldmann | widescreen rules :D |
| 20:25.12 | mmu_man | get me one ? :p |
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| 20:25.42 | ThomasWaldmann | it won't be wide enough for that topic anyway. :) |
| 20:25.43 | chx | lh: hi. what changed in the topic? |
| 20:25.52 | mmu_man | needs to use 'a' in VLC to fix the aspect ratio of the arte tv channel since they don't know how to handle 16/9 correctly |
| 20:25.59 | chintz | help |
| 20:26.00 | sid0 | lh: hi.there's still an extra char after http://tinyurl.com/melangetesters |
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| 20:26.40 | lh | sid0: i dont know what you mean |
| 20:27.06 | sid0 | lh: this is what I see in the topic "- Help Us Test the GSoC 2009 site: http://tinyurl.com/melangetesters -" |
| 20:27.14 | ThomasWaldmann | some (?) thing, same after gsoc09userguide |
| 20:27.16 | toni_marie | the motd link doesn't work quite right |
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| 20:27.40 | sid0 | there's an extra character after the URL, which makes it not work |
| 20:27.47 | *** topic/#gsoc by lh -> Help Needed with Melange Testing http://tinyurl.com/melangetestguide - Read the GSoC 2009 Site User's Guide http://tinyurl.com/gsoc09userguide - Updated Flyers & Program Presentations now the Wiki - Upload your screen casts, etc. to our YouTube Channel (details on mentors and students list) - This channel is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 20:27.57 | lh | sid0, ThomasWaldmann: got it thank you! |
| 20:28.07 | sid0 | lh: also after the gsoc09userguide link |
| 20:28.16 | Upthorn | the terminal space is part of the URL |
| 20:28.47 | Upthorn | should have been http://tinyurl.com/melangetesters%20 |
| 20:28.55 | lh | sid0: i am sorry i do not follow. what is wrong with the gsoc09userguide link? i click on and have no issues |
| 20:29.17 | gab32 | double-click on that link and you should see the problem, it points to "http://tinyurl.com/gsoc09userguide -" |
| 20:29.20 | gab32 | :) |
| 20:29.25 | Upthorn | it should be http://tinyurl.com/gsoc09userguide%20 not http://tinyurl.com/gsoc09userguide%A0 |
| 20:29.29 | sid0 | lh: there's something after that link that shows up as a space in xchat, but isn't |
| 20:29.47 | lh | huh |
| 20:29.49 | sid0 | so it includes that char as part of the URL, and the - following it too |
| 20:29.52 | lh | i have no idea how to fix that. |
| 20:29.53 | ThomasWaldmann | Upthorn: urls ending with a space are a bit strange |
| 20:30.02 | Upthorn | well I mean |
| 20:30.06 | Upthorn | what the topic should say is |
| 20:30.11 | Upthorn | http://tinyurl.com/gsoc09userguide%20 |
| 20:30.22 | Upthorn | because the valid url actually does end in a space |
| 20:30.24 | ajuonline | someone just pastebin the correct topic and put it here for lh |
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| 20:30.47 | ThomasWaldmann | (sounds like asking for trouble) |
| 20:30.53 | lh | try now |
| 20:30.58 | lh | that help? |
| 20:31.06 | Upthorn | http://gsoc.pastebin.com/d57ba1510 |
| 20:31.08 | toni_marie | motd |
| 20:31.31 | toni_marie | grr man it's been so long since I played with mirc LOL |
| 20:31.36 | lh | Upthorn: i just created a new tiny url with no space at the end, can you verify if that solved the problem? |
| 20:31.41 | lh | toni_marie: greets! |
| 20:31.41 | Kraln | lh: did you have a chance to get back to us regarding extra-gsoc involvement (extra as in extra-curricular, not as in extra-more) |
| 20:31.44 | Upthorn | oh let me check |
| 20:31.49 | toni_marie | howdy lh |
| 20:31.50 | lh | Kraln: i can do that in a moment |
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| 20:31.54 | Kraln | <3 |
| 20:31.56 | Kraln | thanks |
| 20:31.59 | Upthorn | err, for the user's guide it doesn't |
| 20:32.00 | lh | Kraln: nm. |
| 20:32.08 | lh | Upthorn: well crap. |
| 20:32.09 | Upthorn | because you have character 0xA0 in the link |
| 20:32.12 | sid0 | lh: hm. the character after gsoc09userguide is 0xA0 |
| 20:32.13 | Upthorn | instead of 0x20 |
| 20:32.15 | sid0 | yes |
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| 20:32.21 | lh | how about now? |
| 20:32.29 | sid0 | lh: nope |
| 20:32.33 | lh | just creates a new tiny url altogether |
| 20:32.38 | Upthorn | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.39 | sid0 | Help Needed with Melange Testing http://tinyurl.com/melangetestguide - Read the GSoC 2009 Site User's Guide http://tinyurl.com/gsoc09userguide - Updated Flyers & Program Presentations now the Wiki - Upload your screen casts, etc. to our YouTube Channel (details on mentors and students list)Â - This channel is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 20:32.42 | Upthorn | the underlined character |
| 20:32.45 | Upthorn | needs to be replaced |
| 20:32.47 | sid0 | lh: can you try that topic? ^ |
| 20:32.48 | Upthorn | with a proper space |
| 20:32.55 | Kraln | lh: how about http://â¡.ws/gsoc ? |
| 20:33.04 | sid0 | lh: that topic works fine |
| 20:33.15 | toni_marie | for first link I get this error: You need to be in the admin group to write documents in the program prefix. , may be because I'm not added yet to mentors group? |
| 20:33.37 | lh | toni_marie: are you logged into the system? |
| 20:33.45 | lh | i think that's the problem either way that error message is confusing |
| 20:33.51 | sid0 | lh: sorry to be a bit buggy about this :p |
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| 20:34.13 | lh | toni_marie: it's not you it's me, hang on fixing |
| 20:34.18 | Upthorn | http://gsoc.pastebin.com/m74683a87 |
| 20:34.19 | sid0 | nope, that didn't work :( |
| 20:34.22 | Upthorn | copy-paste that text |
| 20:34.39 | toni_marie | logged in, error still |
| 20:34.42 | lh | Upthorn: i would rather correct the urls |
| 20:34.43 | Upthorn | I've gotten rid of both the 0xA0 characters and verified that the space-less links work |
| 20:34.53 | sid0 | Upthorn: the URLs are fine, it's the topic that's borked |
| 20:34.57 | Upthorn | I updated the pastebin with corrected links |
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| 20:35.15 | lh | sid0: actually both are borked at this point hang on please people |
| 20:35.18 | Upthorn | sid0: if he copy-pastes that text into the topic, it should work |
| 20:35.23 | Upthorn | lh: the links are no longer borked |
| 20:35.26 | sid0 | Upthorn: she! |
| 20:35.27 | sid0 | :) |
| 20:35.29 | Upthorn | oh |
| 20:35.42 | Upthorn | I use "he" as gender indeterminate, btw |
| 20:35.52 | Upthorn | since English doesn't have a proper neuter personal pronoun |
| 20:36.05 | mmu_man | so, I just learnt ReactOS didn't make it. I'd propose to have them work together on Haiku's usb_webcam driver I wrote, to make it portable and add support for other models... |
| 20:36.21 | mmu_man | I've been told someone from ReactOS could mentor this... |
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| 20:36.53 | *** topic/#gsoc by lh -> Help Needed with Melange Testing http://tinyurl.com/melangetest - Read the GSoC 2009 Site User's Guide http://tinyurl.com/melangeguide - Updated Flyers & Program Presentations now the Wiki - Upload your screen casts, etc. to our YouTube Channel (details on mentors and students list) - This channel is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 20:36.56 | Upthorn | I guess I should probably be using (s)he instead, though |
| 20:37.27 | Upthorn | lh: the melangeguide still has an 0xA0 instead of an 0x20 |
| 20:37.29 | mmu_man | it'd be good for Haiku too anyway, more people to use it = more future contributors = more hw support for both |
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| 20:38.49 | lh | Upthorn: ok i will fix this, but first please explain why it's happening. because i double checked when creating that tinyurl to ensure no space was at the end of it when converting. |
| 20:38.49 | sid0 | lh: ack, still broken -- any chance you could op me for a moment? :) maybe your client is acting up |
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| 20:39.06 | Upthorn | lh: it is the topic that is broken |
| 20:39.18 | Upthorn | in the topic there is a character that shows up as a blank space |
| 20:39.30 | Upthorn | but is a different character than what occurs when you hit the spacebar |
| 20:39.33 | Landon | summatusmentis: uhoh, thinkin about getting a mac laptop |
| 20:39.37 | lh | sid0: ok |
| 20:39.40 | *** mode/#gsoc [+o sid0] by lh |
| 20:39.47 | Upthorn | clients other than xchat don't recognize that it should terminate the URL |
| 20:39.54 | Upthorn | and so include it as %A0 |
| 20:39.59 | pygi | lh, and I can't get op? :( |
| 20:40.02 | pygi | thats rude :( |
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| 20:40.03 | *** mode/#gsoc [+t-o sid0] by ChanServ |
| 20:40.11 | antarus | laughs |
| 20:40.12 | sid0 | er, oops |
| 20:40.15 | sid0 | lol |
| 20:40.36 | lh | ok now what the heck happenned? |
| 20:40.47 | Landon | chanserv is protecive? :P |
| 20:40.49 | antarus | lh: sid0 doesn't have topic access in chanserv |
| 20:40.49 | lh | has been waiting to get a coffee, is this going to take much longer |
| 20:40.52 | Upthorn | chanserv is overzealous |
| 20:40.54 | sid0 | lh: chanserv rules with an iron fist. i wasn't actually authed to be an op |
| 20:40.55 | lh | antarus: thank you |
| 20:41.02 | lh | ok someone pastebin this crap again so i can get on with it |
| 20:41.07 | ajuonline | :D |
| 20:41.07 | lh | and thanks for your help |
| 20:41.24 | ajuonline | is fighting mosquitoes |
| 20:41.39 | Upthorn | http://gsoc.pastebin.com/dc1c141c should work |
| 20:41.49 | Upthorn | let me quickly double-check |
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| 20:42.08 | Upthorn | yes |
| 20:42.22 | Upthorn | the text in there contains no wrong-spaces in URLs |
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| 20:42.58 | sid0 | lh: THANK YOU :) |
| 20:43.01 | lh | looks exactly the same to me as it always did |
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| 20:43.10 | sid0 | hugs lh |
| 20:43.11 | Upthorn | yes |
| 20:43.13 | lh | shakes head, wishes she understood more fully what was causing the issue |
| 20:43.13 | Upthorn | it looks the same |
| 20:43.17 | *** mode/#gsoc [-o sid0] by lh |
| 20:43.19 | Upthorn | lh: basically |
| 20:43.21 | lh | sid0: np |
| 20:43.23 | Upthorn | there was an invisible character |
| 20:43.25 | Upthorn | that wasn't a space |
| 20:43.29 | ajuonline | it looks different to me. on irssi. |
| 20:43.33 | lh | Upthorn & sid0: thanks for the fail report |
| 20:43.42 | lh | Upthorn: huh. bizarre. ok. thanks. |
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| 20:44.21 | Upthorn | someone probably put it in there to force clients to include the space at the end of the URLs |
| 20:44.34 | Upthorn | but it did not work as intended |
| 20:44.38 | Catfish_Man | Upthorn: nah, I've seen this happen before with topics I set |
| 20:44.42 | lh | ok bbialb folks |
| 20:44.43 | Upthorn | ah |
| 20:44.44 | Upthorn | ok |
| 20:44.47 | Catfish_Man | it's some weird difference between certain irc clients |
| 20:44.48 | Catfish_Man | dunno what |
| 20:45.09 | Upthorn | Catfish_Man: well the thing is |
| 20:45.24 | Upthorn | only some of the "spaces" were 0xA0 characters |
| 20:45.36 | Upthorn | most of them were proper 0x20 ones |
| 20:46.04 | z4chh | !timeline |
| 20:46.04 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 20:55.02 | tntcoda | hey guys, how are applications submitted to gsoc? Am i limited to plain text or can I make a nice latex pdf? |
| 20:55.15 | ajuonline | plain text. |
| 20:55.23 | tntcoda | ok thanks |
| 20:55.33 | ajuonline | but you can put links to additional/supporting materials |
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| 20:55.56 | Acony | hm, plain text for sure!? |
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| 20:58.12 | mmu_man | well with the very large count of applications they must read, likely they prefer looking at the content than the look of them :p |
| 20:58.32 | Catfish_Man | mmu_man: well, the real limitation is it has to go into the webapp |
| 20:58.32 | tntcoda | true :p |
| 20:59.25 | mmu_man | technically yes, but it'd be unfair to judge applications by the formating rather than actual content |
| 20:59.34 | mmu_man | I think |
| 20:59.39 | schumaml | well, the aplication template entry had an html editor... |
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| 20:59.54 | Catfish_Man | oh right, they beefed up the webapp this year. I keep forgetting :) |
| 21:00.11 | schumaml | mmu_man: markup give you so many ways to mess it up completely, though |
| 21:00.20 | mmu_man | just hates htmlmail... ppl should reread then twice instead of putting stuff in flashy bold blinking red ;) |
| 21:00.21 | schumaml | gives |
| 21:00.28 | Acony | og Google Google |
| 21:00.37 | Acony | this is funny in my opinion :) |
| 21:00.38 | Catfish_Man | mmu_man: I would say that judging by any criteria that gets you better results is "fair" |
| 21:00.39 | Acony | but.... |
| 21:00.40 | Landon | only thing worse than html mail |
| 21:00.54 | Landon | is html mail that can't be nicely done by lynx |
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| 21:01.01 | Landon | which unfortunately is 99% :( |
| 21:01.06 | Catfish_Man | but a nicely formatted proposal would likely only be relevant if the project involved some design requirements as well |
| 21:01.34 | mmu_man | Landon worse is some secretary sending you the document as 3MB scanned 32bit uncompressed BMP of a black and white text when your mail quota is 500kB |
| 21:01.37 | Landon | Catfish_Man: say, putting your whole proposal into a pi shape if you were applying for perl(are they in it?)? :P |
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| 21:01.56 | mmu_man | actually happened to me while at school once. anyway |
| 21:01.57 | Catfish_Man | Landon: hahaha |
| 21:02.28 | Acony | well what If some cute girl is participating, her chances are bigger with her photo in proposal :D |
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| 21:02.38 | Acony | am I right? |
| 21:02.40 | Acony | :P |
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| 21:02.43 | Catfish_Man | Acony: no |
| 21:02.53 | Landon | Acony: no, because there are no girls on the internet |
| 21:02.55 | mmu_man | depends, I think they do actually employ girls at google too :) |
| 21:03.10 | Acony | Landon -> wrong dude, wrong |
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| 21:03.20 | ajuonline | everyone employes girls. whats the point? |
| 21:03.52 | Acony | we are joking a little bit |
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| 21:04.17 | ajuonline | s/we/you. not me. |
| 21:04.18 | mmu_man | anyway, any thought about this ReactOS/Haiku joint project ? |
| 21:04.18 | Catfish_Man | anyway, stuff to do |
| 21:04.21 | Catfish_Man | later folks |
| 21:04.48 | Acony | it's funny that in 2009 some document needs to be in plain text format, just my 2 cents |
| 21:06.00 | schumaml | it is funny that things like "lower ascii" are required in 2009 |
| 21:06.08 | ajuonline | its funny that in 2009, people are still stuck with the 2 cents joke. |
| 21:06.09 | schumaml | but plain text is perfect |
| 21:06.11 | devvrat | :) |
| 21:06.34 | r0bby | !timeline |
| 21:06.34 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 21:09.25 | lh | can we please go back to the topic problem again, because the url for melangetestguide is wrong |
| 21:09.27 | lh | and i am going to update it |
| 21:09.39 | lh | and it is going to break again |
| 21:09.41 | lh | so there we gp |
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| 21:12.44 | Kraln | my irc client is utf16 compatable =[ |
| 21:12.44 | dwins | links all look good to me (and I saw the problem earlier) |
| 21:13.17 | thiago_home | no one uses UTF-16 on IRC |
| 21:13.29 | thiago_home | it's not supported by the protocol |
| 21:15.03 | mmu_man | indeed, servers don't even know about encodings |
| 21:15.16 | mmu_man | they assume plain ASCII for commands AFAIK, and just use the rest as is |
| 21:15.20 | mmu_man | you likely want UTF-8 |
| 21:15.32 | mmu_man | which is ASCII 7bit compatible |
| 21:15.39 | lh | Kraln: go here |
| 21:15.39 | lh | http://www.teachingopensource.org/index.php/FOSS_Mentor_Projects |
| 21:16.18 | mmu_man | using UCS-2 or UTF-16 would just break servers (they would see null bytes at first char and just choke on them) |
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| 21:16.29 | thiago_home | no one uses UCS-2 either... |
| 21:16.37 | mmu_man | except windows :p |
| 21:16.41 | thiago_home | not even windows |
| 21:16.44 | thiago_home | Windows uses UTf-16 |
| 21:16.47 | Kraln | thiago: wrong. |
| 21:16.53 | Kraln | about irc servers, I mean |
| 21:17.02 | Kraln | there are IRC servers that support alternate datasets. |
| 21:17.05 | mmu_man | actually before it got fixed, Vision (BeOS IRC client) actually sent UCS-2 when set to "Unicode", and it really didn't like it :) |
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| 21:17.07 | thiago_home | do you know any IRC server that supports UTF-16? |
| 21:17.13 | Kraln | sure do |
| 21:17.16 | Kraln | any running inspircd =p |
| 21:17.20 | mmu_man | thiago_home no, and certainly none |
| 21:17.34 | thiago_home | Kraln: are you sure you know what UTF-16 is? |
| 21:18.29 | Kraln | two bytes? |
| 21:18.39 | thiago_home | yes, two-byte encoding of Unicode |
| 21:18.53 | thiago_home | now that no one uses UCS-2 anymore, the only two-bytes encoding |
| 21:19.09 | Kraln | okay, and? |
| 21:19.22 | Kraln | why do you think irc bytestreams can't support utf-16? |
| 21:19.35 | thiago_home | IRC is based on ASCII commands |
| 21:19.45 | thiago_home | each command is a line of text, up to 512 bytes, ending in CRLF |
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| 21:19.53 | thiago_home | that means one byte for CR, one byte for LF |
| 21:19.55 | Kraln | please don't lecture me on what IRC is, thanks =) |
| 21:20.02 | thiago_home | any IRC server I know will choke on a NUL byte |
| 21:20.23 | Kraln | ð |
| 21:20.36 | thiago_home | and since there are no standardised commands to switch a server to UTF-16 mode, no client can send UTF-16 text |
| 21:20.40 | thiago_home | what's that? |
| 21:20.44 | Kraln | a g-clef |
| 21:20.56 | thiago_home | I just saw a square |
| 21:20.56 | Kraln | the ircd that freenode uses clips utf-16 to utf-8 |
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| 21:21.45 | thiago_home | I won't believe without a packet dump |
| 21:22.02 | Kraln | sighs |
| 21:22.11 | Kraln | you're going to make me load up my irc server and tcpdump, aren't you? |
| 21:22.27 | russellb | saw the g-clef :-p |
| 21:22.27 | toni_marie | vegas is going to be beautiful, lh... it's so freaking hot today here I can't stand it |
| 21:22.33 | toni_marie | I turned on the central air last night |
| 21:22.48 | Landon | I saw a questionmark |
| 21:22.51 | Landon | :P |
| 21:22.55 | Landon | in a hexagon! |
| 21:23.04 | dwins | hey me too! |
| 21:23.09 | thiago_home | Kraln: yes |
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| 21:23.20 | Kraln | russellb: what client/os? |
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| 21:24.21 | thiago_home | only received UTF-8 |
| 21:25.54 | Kraln | interesting. I think that did make it through unscathed but the font I'm using doesn't support it =p |
| 21:26.14 | russellb | Kraln: x-chat aqua on osx. |
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| 21:26.36 | Kraln | well, thiago, there you go. it does go through unscathed =p |
| 21:27.05 | Kraln | g clef is D834 DD1E -- two bytes |
| 21:27.35 | Landon | out of curiousity |
| 21:27.41 | Landon | is there a steak for DEAD BEEF |
| 21:28.11 | Kraln | =) |
| 21:28.38 | ecin | How's everyone doing with their mentor contacts? |
| 21:30.00 | toni_marie | in what way? |
| 21:30.13 | thiago_home | or U+1D11E |
| 21:30.40 | thiago_home | or f0 9d 84 9e |
| 21:30.56 | thiago_home | that doesn't mean you sent to the IRC server in UTF-16 |
| 21:33.20 | Kraln | ð |
| 21:33.23 | Kraln | how about that one? |
| 21:34.14 | Garfeild | hi all |
| 21:34.36 | thiago_home | f0 90 8d 86 |
| 21:34.57 | Kraln | thiago: that's unrepresentable in utf-8 |
| 21:35.11 | thiago_home | really? |
| 21:35.15 | thiago_home | I thought I just pasted UTF-8 |
| 21:35.29 | mmu_man | even ppl using UTF-8 sometimes send crappy stuff... someone I know sends BOMs at every cut-n-paste |
| 21:35.29 | Ori_B | Kraln: uh, utf8 can represent any unicode code point. |
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| 21:35.38 | lh | toni_marie: looking forward to it |
| 21:35.41 | Kraln | ... |
| 21:35.55 | Ori_B | Kraln: it's a variable width encoding, from 1 to 4 bytes. |
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| 21:36.03 | Kraln | blech nevermind |
| 21:36.21 | thiago_home | UTF-8 can represent from 1 to 4 bytes anything from U+0000 to U+10FFFF |
| 21:36.41 | thiago_home | 5 and 6 bytes can reach 31 bits, but that's unused (and will never be used) |
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| 21:37.27 | mmu_man | yeah WTF did Unicode screw up the other planes ? |
| 21:37.36 | mmu_man | how do we deal with Klingon now ? |
| 21:37.37 | Ori_B | goes to switch rooms. stupid library closing on me. |
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| 21:47.28 | desowin_ | is it just me or you can't set proper location in mentor profile? |
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| 21:48.34 | lh | desowin_: i am now seeing this issue |
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| 21:51.23 | desowin_ | oh, actually I can move the baloon, but it's hardly anywhere near my location |
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| 21:52.16 | lh | desowin_: we've had trouble with this in the past, even in the old web app. i think it may be that we are only allowed to publish your location at the city and state level so we dont strive to be too accurate with the location, but that is just a guess |
| 21:52.54 | desowin_ | lh: well, in 2007 and 2008 it worked quite well for my details |
| 21:53.37 | desowin_ | maybe that's because I'm applying as mentor this year, lol |
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| 21:55.03 | schumaml | my position is accurate down to 5 meters |
| 21:56.40 | lh | desowin_: hrm. |
| 21:56.54 | ArthurLiu | schumaml, but are you in the right channel ? :) |
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| 21:59.56 | ArthurLiu | "New work will need to be done for the project as part of participation in GSoC." |
| 22:00.31 | ArthurLiu | is there an exegesis somewhere of "new work" ? |
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| 22:00.43 | ArthurLiu | gsoc-discuss returns nothing |
| 22:00.55 | desowin_ | ArthurLiu: it means you have to write new code |
| 22:01.06 | desowin_ | ArthurLiu: (that includes fixing things) |
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| 22:01.20 | ArthurLiu | ok |
| 22:01.44 | desowin_ | ArthurLiu: in case of fixing/rewrite you'll have to extract the patches from VCS |
| 22:01.55 | ArthurLiu | we have a student who worked on a personal project related to our organization |
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| 22:02.14 | ArthurLiu | it would be new code, but not a new project |
| 22:02.21 | mmadia | Are there any guidelines or restrictions for an accepted organization using mentors from non-accepted organizations? |
| 22:02.35 | desowin_ | ArthurLiu: that should be fine |
| 22:02.49 | ArthurLiu | cool |
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| 22:05.01 | mmadia | i'm considering propositioning some members from ReactOS to be mentors for a project idea that would be beneficial to both ReactOS and to Haiku. if it matters, i'm the primary admin for Haiku. |
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| 22:06.06 | lu_zero | haiku AND ReactOS? |
| 22:07.10 | mmadia | yes, it would be working on some drivers for usb devices. the driver would be implemented with portability as it's primary goal. |
| 22:07.31 | lu_zero | so would be good for many others as well |
| 22:07.43 | mmadia | yes. |
| 22:07.48 | mmu_man | yes I'm thinking of porting my webcam driver to AROS too |
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| 22:08.14 | kblin | hail lh |
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| 22:11.12 | mmadia | I could've sworn there was either an email from the g-s-o-c-discuss@googlegroups.com or a webpage at socghop.appspot.com mentioning the notion of umbrella organizations. |
| 22:11.55 | lh | kblin: and hail unto thee |
| 22:12.14 | mmu_man | http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Asocghop.appspot.com+umbrella ? |
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| 22:13.01 | mmadia | yes, the student allocations page : http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations thanks mmu_man |
| 22:13.41 | mmu_man | pets google |
| 22:14.19 | David_Honeynet | lh: hopefully not a FAQ, but if a student is already involved with an open source project and applies to do something new on that project in gsoc2009, does the pre-existing relationship affect how eligible they are (compared to a student who is new to the org)? |
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| 22:14.51 | kblin | David_Honeynet: that's your choice, actually |
| 22:15.05 | lh | David_Honeynet: it does not |
| 22:15.15 | lh | David_Honeynet: what kblin said |
| 22:15.29 | CoolAcid | hey lh, long time no see ;) |
| 22:15.55 | kblin | David_Honeynet: some projects have a stated policy to focus on getting new people involved |
| 22:15.59 | lh | CoolAcid: greetings! how are you? :) |
| 22:16.08 | David_Honeynet | kblin / lh: great, thanks. thought so, but had a concerned student |
| 22:16.10 | CoolAcid | Tired ;) But hey... what can I say |
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| 22:17.28 | kblin | David_Honeynet: but there's good arguments for accepting people you know again |
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| 22:18.09 | kblin | I probably wouldn't have stayed involved with wine without a second gsoc at the project |
| 22:18.38 | David_Honeynet | kblin: yeah, it was someone we know who was worried a prior relationship might lesson their chances of a gsoc 2009 place |
| 22:19.13 | kblin | David_Honeynet: as I said, it's the project's choice. :) |
| 22:19.22 | David_Honeynet | ok, thanks |
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| 22:21.47 | lu_zero | hi Lh =) |
| 22:22.51 | r0bby | off-topic: MLA who knows it ;( |
| 22:23.05 | SRabbelier | !orgsbycat |
| 22:23.05 | socinfo | "orgsbycat" is 2009 orgs list by category: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Categories (note: work in progress) |
| 22:23.14 | r0bby | kicks the wall |
| 22:23.50 | antarus | kittens! |
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| 22:24.50 | mriz | Hello Guys |
| 22:25.43 | Landon | is ubuntu _not_ in gsoc? |
| 22:26.13 | Abadaar | that is correct |
| 22:26.30 | Landon | what happened? o.O |
| 22:26.44 | antarus | mark shuttleworth has enough money? :p |
| 22:26.49 | Landon | I refreshed the accepted orgs page and they disapeared |
| 22:26.52 | Abadaar | that I do not know, hehe |
| 22:27.23 | Abadaar | they withdrew and another project was accepted in their place |
| 22:27.28 | mriz | I'm interested on a web project, so, I wanna know if I can use Windows to develop or is too sarcastic??? |
| 22:27.31 | Landon | ah |
| 22:27.34 | ajuonline | which was? |
| 22:27.43 | ajuonline | LimeSurvey? ;) |
| 22:27.48 | antarus | mriz: you don't have to use linux ;p |
| 22:27.50 | Abadaar | yeah, think so |
| 22:27.55 | crazybyte | yes |
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| 22:28.13 | antarus | mriz: not too many projects are windows based though, in my sifting through the list |
| 22:28.14 | crazybyte | LimeSurvey was accepted in their place |
| 22:28.30 | mriz | antarus: I know but I fear to suffer prejudice |
| 22:28.53 | mriz | I use *Nix on school but I preffer windows to develop |
| 22:29.37 | ojwb | there are possibilities, but I suspect linux/unix is favoured by many projects |
| 22:29.38 | lh | lu_zero: greets |
| 22:29.52 | mriz | I know |
| 22:30.01 | mriz | but I fear that I'll suffer prejudice |
| 22:30.10 | ojwb | well, it's not prejudice exactly |
| 22:30.26 | Landon | there are a few windows ports |
| 22:30.28 | Landon | from what I saw |
| 22:30.38 | ojwb | for example, I wouldn't want to mentor a student developing on windows as I'd be no use if they were stuck on something windows-related |
| 22:30.42 | antarus | mriz: to be fair I prefer windows as a desktop |
| 22:30.45 | dwins | some code just genuinely doesn't run on windows |
| 22:30.57 | ojwb | it's much easier if their dev environment is very close to mine |
| 22:31.15 | kblin | mriz: I've never really seen windows as a dev platform |
| 22:31.26 | kblin | mriz: but then web development isn't what I usually work on |
| 22:31.35 | mriz | hmm |
| 22:31.43 | kblin | apache and php is apache and php, I guess |
| 22:31.53 | antarus | laughs |
| 22:31.55 | antarus | nonesense ;p |
| 22:31.58 | mriz | lol |
| 22:32.07 | mriz | What dist you guys use to develop |
| 22:32.09 | dwins | mriz: probably best to ask on the mailing list for the project you're interested in |
| 22:32.22 | kblin | antarus: as I said, I don't do web development |
| 22:32.26 | cjhopman | windows is a poor dev platform... but visual studio is very nice |
| 22:32.30 | mriz | I'm used to Debian n OpenSuse |
| 22:32.52 | kblin | antarus: I know that the POSIX api windows claims to have is crap |
| 22:32.57 | mriz | but I think debian is too oldated |
| 22:33.00 | mriz | >X |
| 22:33.21 | dwins | mriz: try ubuntu :) |
| 22:33.29 | mriz | ubuntu is fine :D |
| 22:33.34 | mriz | I preffer kde |
| 22:33.37 | Abadaar | Arch Linux all the way :) |
| 22:33.42 | thomastc | another ubuntu fanboy here o/ |
| 22:33.42 | apinto | gnome ftw |
| 22:33.45 | metellus | kubuntu |
| 22:33.57 | apinto | I use Windows and Ubuntu Studio |
| 22:34.03 | antarus | kblin: the posix api itself, also crap ;p |
| 22:34.05 | thomastc | which platform to dev on mostly depends on what you do |
| 22:34.14 | kblin | antarus: there's that, as well |
| 22:34.19 | apinto | and the programas you like |
| 22:34.22 | kblin | antarus: but win32 is worse |
| 22:34.23 | apinto | *programs |
| 22:34.24 | antarus | uses vim |
| 22:34.28 | antarus | Makefiles |
| 22:34.30 | antarus | autotools |
| 22:34.51 | antarus | IDEs take up too much ram |
| 22:35.18 | mriz | whats best about ubuntu is because have a excelent quocient of stable / release |
| 22:35.23 | apinto | I just use vim for small things |
| 22:35.36 | kblin | antarus: my favourite call takes an enum and a void *, and depending on the 22 values of the enum will store 22 completely different data structures in the place pointed at by the void * |
| 22:36.23 | antarus | snickers |
| 22:36.34 | mriz | Its not a broken system like sid... |
| 22:36.37 | mriz | :D |
| 22:37.03 | dwins | well, to be fair, there are other debian options between stable and sid |
| 22:37.11 | kblin | though InitializeSecurityContext() is fun as well, as half the parameters are NULL or 0, depending on what you want the function to do and the security provider you're trying to use |
| 22:37.35 | mriz | dwins: I know but others arent what Im used |
| 22:38.35 | mriz | Is fedora ok? |
| 22:38.50 | kblin | mriz: seriously, most linux distros work |
| 22:39.02 | kblin | if they're current :) |
| 22:39.11 | monsieurp | any FreeBSD user here ? :( |
| 22:39.20 | mriz | >X |
| 22:39.27 | dwins | anyway, asking what platform you should use to develop doesn't really provide enough context |
| 22:39.41 | dwins | mriz: best to find the project(s) you're interested and ask there |
| 22:39.42 | mriz | I'm used to debian distros, |
| 22:39.45 | mriz | =) |
| 22:39.54 | kblin | monsieurp: I've got it running on some VM, does that count? |
| 22:39.58 | mriz | a web project, I just need apache and php |
| 22:40.00 | monsieurp | kblin: nah :p |
| 22:40.14 | kblin | monsieurp: that, and PC-BSD |
| 22:40.41 | monsieurp | kblin: yeah, ok, if you have installed it |
| 22:40.57 | mriz | You gotta love OpenSource to use *BSD |
| 22:41.00 | mriz | :X |
| 22:41.01 | kblin | in a vm :) |
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| 22:41.24 | kblin | I've got a whole farm of kvms :) |
| 22:41.45 | kblin | apart from solaris, that didn't work... |
| 22:41.45 | mriz | I never used kvm |
| 22:41.52 | mriz | Just VirtualBox |
| 22:42.01 | mriz | :X Sun Fan here |
| 22:42.02 | kblin | that's ok as well |
| 22:42.14 | kblin | uh, no comment |
| 22:42.18 | monsieurp | mriz: that's not the point, I hate systems/distros where you always have to update dozen of times / day |
| 22:42.23 | kblin | at least not on opensolaris |
| 22:43.06 | mriz | monsieurp: thats right, but the problem with bsds and pure linux distros are the compatibility |
| 22:45.23 | monsieurp | mriz: good point, I had to wait until FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE before using it, due to my ethernet card .. age(4) wasn't in the source tree in 7.0 |
| 22:45.40 | cipta | Oh hey, I didn't realize there's another fellow FreeBSD user |
| 22:46.26 | mriz | I confused, If I try fedora, or stick with my knowledge with debian distros |
| 22:46.38 | mriz | dont want to learn all distro specific stuff again |
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| 22:47.13 | monsieurp | cipta: :D |
| 22:47.59 | monsieurp | any applicant student for a FreeBSD GSoC project? |
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| 22:49.51 | spO | is there another google chanenl? |
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| 23:05.40 | mmu_man | spO there is #melange which is about the SoC app itself |
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| 23:10.55 | thomastc | monsieurp: I'm using FreeBSD on my server, but will be switching to ubuntu ASAP :) |
| 23:11.35 | thomastc | it's just too difficult for me to keep it up to date :) |
| 23:13.09 | ecin | thomastc: portupgrade not doing its job? |
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| 23:16.10 | thomastc | ecin: dunno, things just break a bit too often for me... too much like my traumatic gentoo experiences :) |
| 23:16.22 | thomastc | so I've come back to binary distributions |
| 23:16.27 | monsieurp | thomastc: ? |
| 23:16.42 | monsieurp | "things just break" ? |
| 23:16.50 | monsieurp | Don't lie, man :> |
| 23:16.54 | monsieurp | it's impossible |
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| 23:17.53 | thomastc | or, if things don't break, it was still too much work for me :) on a debian-based system I can just set up a cronjob to update the system every day, and never look at it again |
| 23:17.53 | ruturaj | hi, I am new to open source community...There is so much code around...where do I begin |
| 23:18.16 | monsieurp | thomastc: don't worry, it works fine too on FreeBSD |
| 23:18.22 | thomastc | ruturaj: grep -R "main\(" * |
| 23:18.30 | Raim | thomastc: my experience with debian is, if it really breaks some day it is seriously hosed ;) |
| 23:18.56 | thomastc | it's one of those "whatever works for you" things I guess |
| 23:19.14 | ruturaj | nice...usually the help/docs are fine.. but the architechture of the software is not clear... |
| 23:19.57 | ruturaj | with companies expecting high quality work..how do we go about understanding their codebase which is huge!! |
| 23:20.05 | monsieurp | thomastc: on the company I work for, I've set up a complete platform (web, mail, mysql, ftp, ssh, ..) using FreeBSD, and it just works fine |
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| 23:20.21 | monsieurp | s/on/in |
| 23:20.30 | thomastc | oh, my server works just fine too, that's not it |
| 23:20.58 | thomastc | I just find Linux a bit more comfortable I guess... probably because I have ~10 years of experience with that and not with BSD |
| 23:21.00 | dwins | ruturaj: you look at the docs you've got, and ask the developers when you're stumped |
| 23:21.05 | monsieurp | thomastc: you just need to "how it works" |
| 23:21.10 | monsieurp | *understand |
| 23:22.25 | monsieurp | I love Ports tree thanks to the fine-grained customization it brings :D |
| 23:22.41 | thomastc | I'm sure that with sufficient experience I could be as productive on BSD as I am on Linux... but it takes time to get that experience |
| 23:22.58 | thomastc | and there is no real payoff because both are pretty decent OS's :) |
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| 23:23.12 | monsieurp | not much as you may think :o |
| 23:24.18 | ecin | I hug BSDs, mostly due to rc.conf and the fact that I learned unix a lot better with them than with linux. |
| 23:24.41 | monsieurp | <3 YEY! |
| 23:24.42 | ecin | rc.conf is also the reason I like arch linux. :) |
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| 23:26.20 | Abadaar | yep, rc.conf is really nice |
| 23:26.27 | monsieurp | ecin: it's also the reason I love Gentoo :P |
| 23:26.32 | monsieurp | USE flags <3 |
| 23:27.36 | thomastc | I used to love those too |
| 23:27.53 | thomastc | until I realized, might as well USE them all |
| 23:28.24 | thomastc | sure, it'll pull in some more dependencies, but that takes maybe 10 seconds in the case of binary packages |
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| 23:32.16 | monsieurp | thomastc: it's annoying when you when to install .. mutt, for example, and you have to install GPG and its dependancies, iconv and its dependancies, SMTP features, IMAP features, etc etc .. |
| 23:32.29 | monsieurp | I can give examples for many other programs :) |
| 23:33.19 | monsieurp | that's where fine-grained installation is a pretty solution |
| 23:33.20 | thomastc | true |
| 23:33.29 | thomastc | and after a week of usage you have them all anyway :P |
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| 23:34.04 | monsieurp | nah.. |
| 23:34.08 | thomastc | and disk space is cheap, and *nix apps aren't very big either... case in point: my heavily used ubuntu is only 11GB atm |
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| 23:35.50 | TBOL3 | I can find how many student google plans on putting through the program, but how many students usually apply? |
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| 23:36.56 | danderson | !faq |
| 23:36.56 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 23:37.04 | danderson | I believe the cap this year is 1k students |
| 23:37.22 | danderson | in the past we received something like seven or eight thousand applications |
| 23:37.28 | danderson | not sure about the exact numbers. |
| 23:38.02 | thomastc | oh, that's not *too* bad |
| 23:38.17 | thomastc | I thought it would be more like one out of a thousand |
| 23:38.20 | TBOL3 | Ok, thanks. Oh, and I looked through the faq, and couldn't find it. |
| 23:38.38 | TBOL3 | And I did too. Maybe I have a (small) chance now. |
| 23:38.52 | danderson | I linked the faq because I thought that might be in it. |
| 23:38.57 | danderson | but there is a good chance |
| 23:39.41 | thomastc | I'll be travelling while writing proposals... |
| 23:39.52 | thomastc | 's gonna be a tiring week |
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| 23:40.21 | TBOL3 | So, is there anyone out there who wants to work on rockbox? |
| 23:40.47 | monsieurp | about proposals |
| 23:41.16 | monsieurp | I have some questions; I have read a student can apply for more than 1 project |
| 23:41.25 | ajuonline | 20 applications |
| 23:41.28 | monsieurp | what happen if you're selected for more than 1 ? |
| 23:41.57 | ecin | You're stuck working 80 hour weeks for summer. |
| 23:42.03 | ajuonline | conflict resolution - student decides which to choose, i guess. but only can work on *one* project |
| 23:42.13 | TBOL3 | monsieurp: It says that you can only be selected for one. |
| 23:42.16 | ecin | Drats, wrong again! |
| 23:42.26 | ajuonline | brb |
| 23:42.35 | TBOL3 | ecin: 'tis ok. |
| 23:43.24 | TBOL3 | Anyway, how much coding experience does one usually need before begining projects? |
| 23:43.33 | monsieurp | TBOL3: okay thanks |
| 23:43.37 | TBOL3 | I know it will vary a lot, but can anyone give me an average? |
| 23:43.47 | monsieurp | +10 years |
| 23:43.48 | ecin | TBOL3: varies by project. I think it's hard to estimate. |
| 23:43.50 | monsieurp | :P |
| 23:43.59 | ecin | +10? No, no, +12 to be certain. |
| 23:44.06 | ecin | At least with a confidence interval of 95%. |
| 23:44.19 | TBOL3 | +10, rats. I'm new to the wonderful world of coding. :( |
| 23:44.40 | TBOL3 | ecin: Well, I do have the confidence level. Infact, it's 110% |
| 23:45.01 | thomastc | there must be some variance on that number :P |
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| 23:45.46 | monsieurp | TBOL3: it really depends on what project you want to be candidate |
| 23:45.53 | TBOL3 | So, it's +10, with a standerd deviation of 25 years. :P |
| 23:45.58 | ecin | Anyway, I have some two years working with Ruby, and am comfortable enough to apply, if that helps. |
| 23:46.36 | monsieurp | TBOL3: as an example, trying to code a kernel API in C, with 2 months experience should be harder :D |
| 23:46.37 | ecin | But don't be discouraged. That tends to be the case with open source projects, but that's exactly what GSoC was intended to combat. |
| 23:47.37 | TBOL3 | I see. Hmm... Rats. With people like you as compatition, there is a very small chance of getting accepted. |
| 23:47.44 | cipta | If you can read the source code of the project, I'd say just go for it |
| 23:48.06 | cipta | as in getting the general idea |
| 23:48.11 | TBOL3 | I was hoping to make a ubiquatos application for rockbox. |
| 23:48.37 | TBOL3 | cipta: Ya, I can READ the code, actually writing good code, I'm still shaky. |
| 23:50.44 | dwins | TBOL3: that's what mentors are for. |
| 23:51.07 | monsieurp | TBOL3: don't be too negative, a project is never a piece of cake |
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| 23:52.12 | efes | Hi :) |
| 23:52.52 | cipta | Which organizations are the most popular during the past years? |
| 23:53.26 | efes | I'm looking for English native speaker or somebody fluent in English. I'm translating a Philip Johnson's movie but can't recognize one or two words. Could anybody help me? |
| 23:54.00 | TBOL3 | Ya, I know it's not a piece of cake. That's why it should be fun. :) |
| 23:54.26 | monsieurp | cipta: the FreeBSD Foundation has accepted more than 20 projects last year :) |
| 23:54.36 | TBOL3 | efes: Umm.. I think you might be on the wrong server. |
| 23:54.44 | spO | does gsoc stand for google socialism - a new world order that we are all trying to incarnate ? |
| 23:55.00 | monsieurp | spO: perhaps :D |
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| 23:55.25 | efes | TBOL3 : why? Philip Johnson's video is introduction to GSoC. It's on the main page of GSoC xD |
| 23:55.55 | TBOL3 | efes: Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't reallize it. Ok, what words don't you get? |
| 23:56.22 | ojwb | or do we need to play the movie? |
| 23:56.31 | cipta | monsieurp: yeah, I heard they got over 100 applicants last year. what about the linux distros? |
| 23:56.32 | TBOL3 | sp0: oh yes. Definently. |
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| 23:57.38 | ojwb | cipta: generally, the umbrella orgs (and more generic projects) have wider appeal and so get more students applying |
| 23:57.52 | ojwb | but they also get more slots and have more mentors available |
| 23:58.05 | efes | TBOL3 : 6:13 "I'm gonna give you my own highly PR ??? view" |
| 23:58.15 | ojwb | Public Relations? |
| 23:58.24 | ojwb | not having watched it though |
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| 23:58.39 | efes | ojwb, that's a problem... Have no idea. Predigive? Whatever? :D |
| 23:58.50 | ojwb | oh, a word starting "pr"? |
| 23:58.51 | monsieurp | cipta: you want to know which Linux distros you can work for ? |
| 23:58.58 | efes | ojwb, yeap ) |
| 23:59.00 | efes | :) |
| 23:59.21 | cipta | monsieurp: not really, just interested in the statistics |
| 23:59.28 | Abadaar | I think he's saying "... my highly prejucied |
| 23:59.36 | Abadaar | prejudiced view ..." |
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| 23:59.54 | TBOL3 | efes: Yup, it's prejudiced. |