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| 00:09.19 | codestr0m | Before the deadline tomorrow can I revise any small typos in our mentoring org app or is it once I hit save changes the fate is sealed? |
| 00:09.42 | KillerX | codestr0m: You may make as many changes as you like before the deadline tomorrow |
| 00:09.56 | KillerX | Applications will only be reviewed after the deadline |
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| 00:10.38 | lh | codestr0m: what KillerX said |
| 00:11.00 | codestr0m | KillerX / lh: thanks.. rather be safe than sorry on this |
| 00:11.20 | codestr0m | lh: did you get my pm to ping christel about the freenode host mask |
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| 00:11.56 | lh | codestr0m: yes i did. btw, please ask in channel before PMing me unless we've done so before. |
| 00:11.57 | lh | and |
| 00:12.10 | lh | will ping christel later. :) |
| 00:12.56 | codestr0m | lh: we have talked in pm before and yes.. I assume it's a low priority, but a friendly note was all |
| 00:13.07 | lh | codestr0m: oh dude, sorry. i didn't recall that. |
| 00:13.12 | lh | apologizes |
| 00:13.31 | x58 | lh: Sorry about sending that linkedin request to you. I just went down the list on facebook looking for other people on linkedin! Will definitely ask you again after we get a chance to meet sometime in the future! |
| 00:14.06 | lh | x58: it's all good. i am so not offended. :) |
| 00:15.37 | x58 | lh: I understand the need to keep professional (people you've met) and non-professional (online, and people you have not met) seperate. I have done the same for most of my linkedin, just a few here and there! |
| 00:16.36 | lh | x58: cool |
| 00:16.48 | lh | goes to meet friend for dinner |
| 00:17.35 | x58 | Have a good day, whatever is left of it! |
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| 00:28.09 | jasebo | My application is complete. Vacuum cleaner project awaits. Woohoo. |
| 00:28.15 | kloeri | grumbles - now I've saved my application under two different link id's and I'm not allowed to delete one of them |
| 00:28.31 | WinterMute | anyone here from SDL? |
| 00:28.31 | kloeri | I need more coffee, more sleep and less intermittent wifi connection :p |
| 00:29.17 | jasebo | is running around the room whooping. He feels like he's back at uni and has handed in his last assignment for the year. |
| 00:29.37 | kloeri | hehe |
| 00:32.03 | Peet | WinterMute: I hope not because I'd have to start yelling at them about multilinguall keyboard support |
| 00:32.11 | Peet | :D |
| 00:32.54 | WinterMute | huhu |
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| 00:34.54 | straszheim | I'm a little fuzzy on "What criteria do you use to select the members of your group?". In boost, libraries are accepted if they pass a code review and get voted in. |
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| 00:36.20 | z00dax | hi guys, i need an issue clarified - someone raised an issue that projects would need to 'middle' the financial part of the gsoc project and be responsible for handing funds out to the students who join up. |
| 00:36.46 | z00dax | can someone confirm that this is not the case, and students signup with and handle such issues directly with upstream google ? |
| 00:36.52 | danderson | what? |
| 00:36.55 | danderson | that is ridiculous |
| 00:36.59 | danderson | yes, google handles all financials |
| 00:37.08 | danderson | orgs should not have to fork out cash for students |
| 00:37.13 | danderson | that's the whole point of the program |
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| 00:38.09 | danderson | z00dax: does that answer your concerns? |
| 00:38.15 | z00dax | danderson: clearly. thanks |
| 00:38.32 | danderson | I can maybe offer an interpretation of that issue. |
| 00:38.39 | danderson | orgs are gatekeepers for the cash |
| 00:38.42 | z00dax | go for it :) |
| 00:38.50 | danderson | the mentor's evaluation decides whether student gets payed or not |
| 00:38.57 | danderson | maybe that's what's meant by "middling" here |
| 00:39.07 | danderson | but it's really just a checkbox in a form |
| 00:39.15 | z00dax | well, he wanted us to nominate a 'financial lead/rep' |
| 00:39.16 | danderson | once that's done, google handles actually sending checks and stuff |
| 00:39.40 | danderson | z00dax: maybe vaguely useful after the student portion of SoC, to receive the org's payment |
| 00:40.00 | danderson | depending on the status of your org, you may need tax filings and stuff on that |
| 00:40.12 | z00dax | <-- CentOS Project |
| 00:40.17 | danderson | but that has nothing to do with the students |
| 00:40.38 | z00dax | however, I am trying to stay as far away from the whole gsoc thing as possible. am only trying to get a team together and talking about it. so this feedback helps. lots |
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| 00:41.38 | z00dax | danderson: ty |
| 00:41.38 | z00dax | lurks |
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| 00:41.49 | danderson | so, yeah. You will need to handle finances at some point, but that is finances for your org, not for the students. |
| 00:42.12 | danderson | google handles financials, shipping, all that madness |
| 00:42.50 | jasebo | had briefly stopped running around whooping, and was gasping in horror, has now resumed running around whooping |
| 00:43.33 | jpirie231 | ~timeline |
| 00:44.01 | jpirie231 | bot off sick? |
| 00:45.53 | ojwb | no, but it's very slow sometimes |
| 00:46.33 | jpirie231 | heh it's kl i found it the old-fashioned way ;) |
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| 00:48.46 | arma | z00dax: another option is for your organization to specify some other org to receive its mentor payments. a few years ago, for example, one of the orgs said "it's 2k, and we don't have any infrastructure for handling money. can you just give that to eff?" and that worked pretty well. |
| 00:49.18 | z00dax | I'd personally like to see that money goto the mentors... |
| 00:49.34 | z00dax | mainly since i plan on making sure each one of them adopt the code that they are going to supervise :) |
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| 00:51.45 | KillerX | straszheim: That question means, what criteria do you use to select *mentors* and *org admins* for your project, not contributors to your project in general... |
| 00:51.46 | homunq | has lh tweeted new numbers of applications? |
| 00:51.49 | arma | z00dax: ok. then you will want to have somebody (or some company) able to receive the mentor money and give it to the mentors. |
| 00:52.25 | KillerX | hey z00dax |
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| 01:03.21 | WinterMute | lh has twitter? |
| 01:03.34 | GAdmiral_Matt | sup |
| 01:03.40 | GAdmiral_Matt | I know google got a twitter account recently |
| 01:04.53 | straydawg | WinterMute: twitter has lh more likely ;) |
| 01:05.07 | straydawg | WinterMute: but http://twitter.com/lhawthorn |
| 01:05.20 | straszheim | KillerX: thanks. Saw that right after I asked. |
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| 01:14.09 | freebsdgirl | lh finally succumbed to the twitter, yes. |
| 01:14.22 | freebsdgirl | and the facebook. social networking wins eventually. |
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| 01:20.14 | straydawg | arr |
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| 01:25.49 | jza | hi where do I submit my application? |
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| 01:26.01 | summatusmentis | wait, org? |
| 01:26.15 | jza | I am reading the User Guide and there is not a email, or submition form |
| 01:26.36 | Peet | you did not read it very carefully :P |
| 01:26.59 | Peet | Students cannot do anything with the system beyond creating a Site Wide User profile until the student application period begins on March 23rd. Check back later for updated documentation. |
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| 01:32.05 | jza | Peet: was that for me? |
| 01:32.12 | Peet | yes |
| 01:32.19 | jza | Peet: so I am not a student |
| 01:32.33 | Peet | ah :) |
| 01:32.55 | jza | I create my user profile, and when I click 'apply to become an organization' I get a "Create user Profile" even thought I am signed in. |
| 01:33.50 | homunq | an old fogey just on linkedin, but still, I don't think twitter counts as social networking |
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| 01:36.53 | ojwb | jza: the page title is wrong |
| 01:37.14 | jza | ojwb: I think it was the cache holding my unsigned data |
| 01:37.24 | jza | ojwb: is working now |
| 01:38.15 | codestr0m | is there a cool little counter for how many orgs have applied so far? |
| 01:38.25 | ojwb | ok, someone said it had the wrong title, but perhaps it has been fixed |
| 01:38.37 | ojwb | codestr0m: yes, she's called lh |
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| 01:47.12 | summatusmentis | crap, I should've paid more attention when professor was going over R |
| 01:49.50 | straydawg | Ritchie? or the statistics language :) |
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| 01:56.03 | summatusmentis | the statistics language |
| 01:56.12 | straydawg | ok ;) |
| 01:58.20 | summatusmentis | ugh... fitness proportionate selection |
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| 02:03.03 | ESphynx | 17 hours to go |
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| 02:32.20 | jasebo | 'twas the night before GSoC Apps and all through the GSoC channel |
| 02:32.22 | jasebo | ... |
| 02:33.40 | Landon | there was not a noise, not even the clicking of a mouse |
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| 02:34.07 | summatusmentis | someone teach me R plz? |
| 02:35.24 | Matt__ | Anyone have a minute to bounce around some simple questions? |
| 02:37.10 | danderson | !ask |
| 02:37.10 | socinfo | "ask" is don't ask to ask, just ask! |
| 02:37.42 | ojwb | unless they're frequently asked simple questions... |
| 02:37.50 | r0bby | in which case |
| 02:37.50 | danderson | indeed |
| 02:37.52 | r0bby | !faq |
| 02:37.52 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 02:37.59 | r0bby | Matt__: read that first |
| 02:38.02 | r0bby | THEN ask :) |
| 02:38.22 | Matt__ | Well, I've read some of the documentation, but even that seems to be over my head. |
| 02:38.37 | r0bby | What is your question? \ |
| 02:39.36 | Matt__ | Does the "student" propose a project and the mentor aids in the development? Or am I completely misunderstanding the process? |
| 02:40.16 | r0bby | Matt__: the projects have a page of ideas |
| 02:40.17 | ojwb | the org publishes a list of project ideas |
| 02:40.20 | ojwb | snap! |
| 02:40.22 | Matt__ | ok |
| 02:40.22 | danderson | you have it basically right. |
| 02:40.23 | r0bby | the student then picks one |
| 02:40.33 | ojwb | or comes up with their own |
| 02:40.35 | r0bby | BUT most projects like it when a student proposes one |
| 02:40.40 | r0bby | shows creativity :) |
| 02:40.46 | r0bby | and initiative :) |
| 02:40.52 | danderson | Projects provide ideas, but students can also provide their own (it's best to discuss it with the org to get it nailed down a bit) |
| 02:40.53 | r0bby | then yeh the rest is right :) |
| 02:41.17 | r0bby | my mentor was AWOL all last summer :( |
| 02:41.23 | ojwb | often projects from the list evolve too |
| 02:42.11 | Matt__ | Is this mostly a Graduate program of sorts? |
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| 02:42.11 | danderson | no. |
| 02:42.11 | r0bby | Matt__: nooo |
| 02:42.11 | r0bby | undergrad too |
| 02:42.11 | r0bby | I'm at a community college |
| 02:42.11 | danderson | legally, it's contractor work |
| 02:42.20 | danderson | in practice, it's open source development |
| 02:42.25 | r0bby | 5 courses away from my associates of science (A.S.) |
| 02:42.28 | danderson | open to any students >18yo |
| 02:42.53 | r0bby | sighs |
| 02:42.58 | r0bby | I need to find a 4-year :( |
| 02:43.06 | r0bby | I want one school but a 2.54 GPA =/ |
| 02:43.55 | Matt__ | I've got about 7 weeks of Python under my belt... too little or could I still apply successfully with some org.? |
| 02:44.40 | Landon | goodnuf |
| 02:44.41 | Landon | :P |
| 02:45.30 | Peet | it's open source! if you have enough fanaticism you need no skill |
| 02:45.38 | Landon | truly |
| 02:45.47 | Matt__ | ha! |
| 02:45.48 | Landon | haven't there been projects to do documentation in the past? |
| 02:45.50 | Matt__ | alright then |
| 02:45.53 | Landon | or site rehauls |
| 02:46.17 | impl | I don't think so, at least not without some code also |
| 02:46.40 | ojwb | it has to be predominately focussed on coding |
| 02:46.42 | danderson | Summer of code |
| 02:46.48 | danderson | not summer of documentation |
| 02:46.50 | danderson | it's all in the name |
| 02:47.03 | ojwb | it'll be winter here though... |
| 02:47.07 | Peet | just make your documentation really cryptic |
| 02:47.14 | Peet | then it could be considered code |
| 02:47.20 | scorche | TeX =P |
| 02:47.33 | jasebo | Summer of Documentation would be a GREAT idea |
| 02:47.40 | jasebo | something for the arts students |
| 02:47.51 | danderson | and anyone is free to start such a program |
| 02:47.57 | danderson | SoC is not that program :) |
| 02:48.00 | jasebo | :-) |
| 02:48.08 | ojwb | and there's ghop |
| 02:48.13 | Landon | well maybe not documentation |
| 02:48.16 | Peet | Google Summer of Vaguely Programming-Related Projects? |
| 02:48.22 | Landon | but I could have sworn there was a site rehaul project :P |
| 02:49.02 | ojwb | it may be the rules are stricter more recently |
| 02:49.17 | ojwb | or the site overhaul involved a lot of coding |
| 02:49.24 | ojwb | hard to know without the details |
| 02:49.29 | danderson | or it was a mistakenly accepted project. |
| 02:50.06 | ojwb | true |
| 02:52.55 | Matt__ | Thanks for the answers, folks. |
| 02:53.03 | Matt__ | Much appreciated. |
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| 02:54.01 | danderson | well, you successfully avoided horribly obvious FAQs |
| 02:54.07 | danderson | so, you're welcome :P |
| 02:54.33 | Matt__ | I'm glad I avoided being "that guy." |
| 02:55.46 | Landon | http://code.google.com/soc/2006/irssi/appinfo.html?csaid=48F9213F96B80909 thats what I was thinking of! |
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| 02:55.53 | Landon | but yeah, several years ago |
| 02:57.15 | ojwb | the link to the code produced is dead, so it's hard to check, but it doesn't sound like it should have been accepted |
| 02:58.44 | danderson | indeed |
| 02:59.03 | danderson | looks like the CMS thing saved it, but it is a very weak proposal. |
| 03:00.02 | chx | meh, who writes a CMS these days. We already written the best CMS there can be. (and I am modest as usual) |
| 03:01.17 | Peet | notepad and ftp.exe are the superior cms :) |
| 03:01.20 | danderson | 03:59:02 <@danderson> looks like the CMS thing saved it, but it is a very weak proposal. |
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| 03:02.08 | chx | Sorry, I can't stop waving the Drupal banner wherever it can be waved :p |
| 03:03.34 | scorche | ick...not FTP |
| 03:04.13 | Landon | Peet: vim! |
| 03:04.15 | Landon | :P |
| 03:04.27 | Peet | emacs makes faster code |
| 03:04.43 | Landon | head asplode |
| 03:05.10 | Peet | and scorche...yes, windows' ftp client is dismal :( |
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| 03:05.58 | scorche | i dont care about the windows client....i am talking about the protocol |
| 03:06.45 | danderson | scorche: cmon, what could possibly be wrong with it |
| 03:06.46 | danderson | :P |
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| 03:07.08 | scorche | has been teased into way too many rants on FTP |
| 03:07.23 | Landon | ftp is the most secure protocol eveeeeeeeeeer |
| 03:07.40 | scorche | security is just one of its many problems =/ |
| 03:07.59 | anothy_x | i get a few hundred attempts at "Administrator" login per day. |
| 03:08.09 | danderson | lack of a machine parseable standardised dir listing format is another |
| 03:08.17 | anothy_x | not really the protocol's fault, of rcourse. |
| 03:08.21 | Landon | I don't bother anymore, since most ftp clients also support sftp |
| 03:08.33 | danderson | anothy_x: by those standards, ssh is the worst protocol ever |
| 03:08.36 | Landon | and its one less service to run |
| 03:08.55 | Landon | danderson: ? HTTP is HORRIBLY insecure |
| 03:09.01 | Landon | hell, most of the time I don't even need a login |
| 03:09.03 | Landon | :P |
| 03:09.24 | Landon | and people just let me waltz in! |
| 03:09.31 | danderson | Landon: I was responding to anothy_x's use of login attempts as a metric |
| 03:09.32 | anothy_x | Landon: agreed, i turned mine off a few months ago (which i guess makes the verb tense wrong in my previous statment) |
| 03:09.33 | scorche | directs people to http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html instead of him going on yet another rant against FTP |
| 03:10.01 | Landon | danderson: I was making a funny about successful "logins" :P |
| 03:10.02 | jasebo | well when it was invented FTP was perfectly fine |
| 03:10.05 | anothy_x | all my users use 9P anyway. :-) |
| 03:10.06 | impl | FTP has problems, but I don't think HTTP is the appropriate solution |
| 03:10.11 | jasebo | the model T is a pretty crap car now too |
| 03:10.19 | ravenlock | um... my org application is awol!! :S |
| 03:10.21 | scorche | impl: that sint what that is implying, but... |
| 03:10.32 | ravenlock | I filled almost all in except the student app templ. |
| 03:10.45 | impl | scorche: okay, I guess I should actually click it instead of arguing about a URL :D |
| 03:10.45 | ravenlock | was gonna polish it up tonight, and the form is empty. :/ |
| 03:11.19 | ravenlock | *sigh* nvm. senior moment. |
| 03:11.40 | scorche | impl: when talking about FTP, it is nice to have something to compare against...HTTP simply does that well even with its issues |
| 03:12.28 | impl | scorche: so I see, indeed |
| 03:14.39 | chx | meh at both FTP and HTTP |
| 03:14.42 | chx | real men use netcat :p |
| 03:18.00 | Landon | real men write the bit on a postit note and send the cat down the hall with it |
| 03:18.20 | jasebo | do they write on postit note in binary? |
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| 03:18.35 | ojwb | that ftp-vs-http doesn't seem to really understand passive |
| 03:18.48 | ojwb | or perhaps I don't |
| 03:19.03 | ojwb | I thought passive eliminated the second connection |
| 03:19.12 | impl | nah |
| 03:19.13 | scorche | it doesntr |
| 03:19.17 | impl | passive just has the other side start it |
| 03:19.25 | impl | so it can traverse NAT on your side |
| 03:19.38 | impl | i.e., you open connection to remote host instead of it opens connection to you |
| 03:20.03 | chx | lol @ security concerns w/ fxp |
| 03:20.17 | chx | the real reason is that fxp almost exclusively is used for warez |
| 03:20.46 | ojwb | ok |
| 03:21.36 | r0bby | where is ankitg |
| 03:21.44 | r0bby | I have a bridge that he needs to be shoved off of :) |
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| 03:22.35 | chx | that's a new version of selling the Brooklyn bridge. |
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| 03:31.46 | r0bby | chx: in a way |
| 03:31.47 | bitner | the link_id for the backup admin on the application requires the backup admin to sign up to create a profile right? or can I just list his google account email address |
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| 03:33.27 | ojwb | the former |
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| 03:39.49 | ravenlock | if my backup mentor does not show up in the list... can I simply add his e-mail address in there? |
| 03:40.05 | ravenlock | (he does have a google account) |
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| 03:50.16 | ojwb | backup admin, not mentor |
| 03:50.31 | ojwb | and AIUI, they need to sign in to melange and create a link id |
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| 03:51.11 | ojwb | and if they have, it should show up in the completion list when you enter their name |
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| 04:02.18 | Arc | can the student application template be edited further after today? |
| 04:09.35 | ravenlock | ojwb: they say they have... but they are not in the list. |
| 04:09.44 | ravenlock | and yes... I meant backup admin. |
| 04:11.34 | ojwb | ravenlock: did the sign up since you started to edit? |
| 04:11.43 | ojwb | if so you'll probably need to save and reedit |
| 04:11.46 | ojwb | had to |
| 04:12.37 | ravenlock | yup. that was it. thanks. :) |
| 04:12.44 | ESphynx | Is there a template for the student application template? :P |
| 04:12.55 | ESphynx | The FAQ used to say that it was optional to provide one ;) |
| 04:13.12 | jasebo | do a google search for gsoc student application and you'll find heaps of examples |
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| 04:16.04 | ESphynx | thank |
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| 04:24.02 | modius_ | hello folks.. |
| 04:24.14 | modius_ | just finished my mento org app... looks horrible on the public view |
| 04:24.26 | modius_ | should i be putting in HTML markup or something? |
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| 04:31.22 | ojwb | modius_: not sure - what happens if you insert a test bit of markup? |
| 04:31.56 | modius_ | wondering more "should i be marking it up" rather than is it technically possible. |
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| 04:32.18 | modius_ | I'm happy to mark it up if it makes it easier for evaluators to read our submission |
| 04:32.26 | modius_ | (and hopefully see it in a good light :) |
| 04:33.20 | modius_ | but if evaluators actually see the raw text.. it might not be such a great idea to pepper it with markup |
| 04:33.22 | ojwb | hasn't used markup (yet), but had noticed it looked poor in the public view |
| 04:34.30 | ojwb | butt if markup is stripped or escaped, that would answer the question! |
| 04:34.33 | ojwb | but |
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| 04:45.07 | ojwb | it seems markup is kept and "works" |
| 04:45.15 | ojwb | so that doesn't really answer that... |
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| 04:54.04 | anothy_x | what's the intention of "Public Email"? is that of the admin? |
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| 05:18.25 | homunq | anothy_x: I think that google will publish that. I was told that your org's generic info@ address, if it exists, is best. We set up an (unmoderated) gsoc list and subscribed all our prospective mentors. |
| 05:18.42 | homunq | unmoderated so that responses are quicker. |
| 05:20.25 | homunq | wonders where the "public view" that modius_ was talking about is to be found. |
| 05:21.39 | homunq | oh, click on title at top, cool |
| 05:23.17 | ojwb | ~publicemail |
| 05:23.18 | ibot | i guess publicemail is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide#depth_orgapp (bullet 4) |
| 05:24.14 | ojwb | ibot: no, publicemail is <response>http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide#depth_orgapp (bullet 4) |
| 05:24.15 | ibot | ojwb: okay |
| 05:24.17 | anothy_x | aw, shoot, missed it. thanks. |
| 05:24.21 | ojwb | ~publicemail |
| 05:24.21 | ibot | from memory, publicemail is <response>http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide#depth_orgapp (bullet 4) |
| 05:24.28 | ojwb | sighs |
| 05:24.37 | ojwb | ibot: no, publicemail is <reply>http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide#depth_orgapp (bullet 4) |
| 05:24.38 | ibot | okay, ojwb |
| 05:24.41 | ojwb | ~publicemail |
| 05:24.42 | ibot | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide#depth_orgapp (bullet 4) |
| 05:24.52 | impl | damned synonyms. |
| 05:25.13 | ojwb | ibot: no, public_email is <reply>http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide#depth_orgapp (bullet 4) |
| 05:25.14 | ibot | okay, ojwb |
| 05:25.24 | ojwb | impl: speaking of which... |
| 05:25.34 | impl | hehehe |
| 05:25.37 | impl | ;p |
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| 06:25.28 | flux_control | I have a question regarding eligibility of "mentoring organizations": can a non-legal organization (i.e., an open source project not declared as a legal organization or company) be eligible for participation? |
| 06:25.56 | summatusmentis | yes, afaik |
| 06:26.09 | flux_control | My distribution (Source Mage GNU/Linux) would like to apply to participate, but we are unclear as to whether we are eligible. |
| 06:26.31 | flux_control | If we are eligible, then can the payment process (as well as the filing of W9s) be explained in more detail? |
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| 06:26.48 | flux_control | Would only one of us file the W9, and then all money be routed through that person? |
| 06:26.56 | flux_control | Or would each mentor file a separate W9? |
| 06:28.00 | summatusmentis | afaik it has to go through one person |
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| 06:28.10 | summatusmentis | you should come back tomorrow when people are around to help |
| 06:28.15 | flux_control | OK |
| 06:28.19 | summatusmentis | I'm just a student who is up way too late :) |
| 06:28.21 | flux_control | Any particular time tomorrow? |
| 06:28.32 | summatusmentis | I think you've got until 19:00 UTC |
| 06:28.39 | flux_control | I'm not sure when people are around in here. |
| 06:28.53 | summatusmentis | lh is around... let me think |
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| 06:29.20 | summatusmentis | I think she's GMT-8 |
| 06:29.32 | flux_control | Probably. |
| 06:29.35 | summatusmentis | and usually into work around 8am |
| 06:30.02 | summatusmentis | I'm GMT-6, and ususally people are around by 9am my time |
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| 06:30.35 | summatusmentis | so... I would guess anytime between 6.5 and 7 hours from now people more useful than I will be around |
| 06:30.56 | flux_control | OK, thanks |
| 06:31.01 | flux_control | I'll check back then. |
| 06:31.03 | summatusmentis | sure thing |
| 06:31.08 | flux_control | Have a good one! |
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| 06:31.16 | summatusmentis | now that I'm done mucking around with R, I'm going to bed :) |
| 06:31.18 | summatusmentis | oh, he left |
| 06:31.25 | summatusmentis | s/he/they/ |
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| 06:33.32 | sandalle | summatusmentis: Thanks for the info (is with flux_control) :) |
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| 06:34.20 | summatusmentis | sandalle: haha, sure thing. I don't wnat to act as the definitive answer when i don't actually know :) |
| 06:35.19 | sandalle | summatusmentis: At least we know when to check again, that's helpful. :) |
| 06:35.31 | summatusmentis | glad I can be of use |
| 06:36.22 | summatusmentis | bed for me |
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| 06:39.44 | sandalle | summatusmentis: 'nn :) |
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| 06:49.57 | r0bby | hmm |
| 06:49.59 | r0bby | gonna mentor i think |
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| 06:56.55 | ajuonline | distributes chocolates around the channel |
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| 06:57.56 | impl | Today is your day! |
| 06:58.02 | impl | You're off to great places! |
| 06:58.05 | impl | You're off and away! |
| 06:58.22 | ajuonline | impl: ? |
| 06:58.39 | ojwb | I realise the questioner has gone, but yeah the org doesn't need to be a legal entity - the payment needs to go to one person or company though |
| 06:58.44 | ojwb | the mentor payments for the org that is |
| 06:58.46 | impl | ajuonline: Dr. Seuss, "Oh, the Places You'll Go" :P |
| 06:58.50 | ojwb | if it all seems more effort than it is worth, you can opt to donate the money to another organisation - I think someone said they gave theirs to EFF last year |
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| 06:59.39 | ajuonline | or you can just dont take it. and let the funds be used in future gsoc editions :) |
| 06:59.52 | ajuonline | ~google |
| 07:00.00 | ibot | well, google is at http://www.yahoo.com |
| 07:00.11 | ajuonline | i liked what the last bot had to say, better! |
| 07:00.18 | desu | o_O |
| 07:01.36 | r0bby | !google |
| 07:01.36 | socinfo | Error: "google" is not a valid command. |
| 07:01.53 | r0bby | !learn google as google is not the cosmic cash machine people think it is |
| 07:01.53 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 07:01.54 | Catfish_Man | hm |
| 07:01.56 | Catfish_Man | !tea |
| 07:01.57 | socinfo | "tea" is (#1) always a valid option, or (#2) It's always tea time, have a cup on the house! |
| 07:01.58 | r0bby | !google |
| 07:01.58 | socinfo | "google" is google is not the cosmic cash machine people think it is |
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| 07:02.07 | Catfish_Man | excellent. socinfo still knows what counts |
| 07:02.22 | PeepOle | ~socinfo howdy |
| 07:02.26 | r0bby | !forget google |
| 07:02.26 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 07:02.47 | PeepOle | ~faq |
| 07:02.57 | r0bby | !learn google as not the cosmic cash machine people think it is. |
| 07:02.57 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 07:02.59 | Catfish_Man | PeepOle: in case you didn't notice, socinfo doesn't use that syntax |
| 07:03.02 | r0bby | !google |
| 07:03.02 | socinfo | "google" is not the cosmic cash machine people think it is. |
| 07:03.07 | PeepOle | !faq |
| 07:03.07 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 07:03.14 | sandalle | ojwb: Does the organization need to file the W-9 at the time of application or later? |
| 07:03.26 | PeepOle | I dont like socinfo, ibot was better |
| 07:03.35 | r0bby | I love socinfo info :) |
| 07:03.37 | r0bby | !source |
| 07:03.37 | socinfo | My source is at http://supybot.com/ |
| 07:03.46 | r0bby | it's python |
| 07:03.47 | r0bby | ergo better |
| 07:03.50 | r0bby | ibot is perl? |
| 07:04.03 | r0bby | yeh perl |
| 07:04.46 | scorche | socinfo?! |
| 07:04.55 | PeepOle | !lh |
| 07:04.55 | socinfo | "lh" is (#1) Lighthearted Hippy, or (#2) Lady Hawthorn, or (#3) a zen experience to be hugged by!, or (#4) LOVE!, or (#5) lovingly happy, or (#6) free as in freedom!, or (#7) Loathes Harkonnen, or (#8) magic, or (#9) pillar of patience |
| 07:05.15 | PeepOle | !help |
| 07:05.15 | socinfo | "help" is see !faq, !advice and !wiki |
| 07:05.16 | r0bby | !learn lh as the most awesome woman to ever walk the earth |
| 07:05.17 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 07:05.20 | r0bby | !lh |
| 07:05.20 | socinfo | "lh" is (#1) Lighthearted Hippy, or (#2) Lady Hawthorn, or (#3) a zen experience to be hugged by!, or (#4) LOVE!, or (#5) lovingly happy, or (#6) free as in freedom!, or (#7) Loathes Harkonnen, or (#8) magic, or (#9) pillar of patience, or (#10) the most awesome woman to ever walk the earth |
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| 07:05.33 | Catfish_Man | get a little longer there and it'll start wrapping over to a new message |
| 07:05.36 | Catfish_Man | leave the bot alone :P |
| 07:05.47 | r0bby | I'm done! |
| 07:05.56 | r0bby | Catfish_Man: it had to be said |
| 07:05.57 | scorche | obviously missed something and digs thorugh his logs to see the resurrection of socinfo |
| 07:05.57 | PeepOle | lighthearted hippy :D |
| 07:05.58 | r0bby | lh is awesome! |
| 07:06.16 | r0bby | I drove her nuts and she still lives |
| 07:06.18 | r0bby | I mean come on |
| 07:06.25 | Catfish_Man | trial by fire indeed |
| 07:06.31 | r0bby | and she hasn't put a hit out on me |
| 07:06.37 | r0bby | that I know of |
| 07:06.39 | ojwb | sandalle: much later - the mentor payments are done at the end (or at least were last year) |
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| 07:09.22 | sandalle | ojwb: Thanks, so we can apply now and figure out the W-9 later. :) |
| 07:10.07 | ojwb | sandalle: yeah |
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| 07:10.28 | scorche | !whoami |
| 07:10.28 | socinfo | trusted |
| 07:10.36 | scorche | huggles socinfo |
| 07:10.58 | ajuonline | !whoami |
| 07:10.58 | socinfo | I don't recognize you. |
| 07:11.09 | ajuonline | bribes socinfo with a chocolate |
| 07:11.44 | r0bby | !whoami |
| 07:11.44 | socinfo | I don't recognize you. |
| 07:11.48 | r0bby | cries |
| 07:12.35 | scorche | !learn userguide as http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide |
| 07:12.36 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
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| 07:14.21 | r0bby | kick ibot |
| 07:14.31 | scorche | ibot logs |
| 07:14.32 | ibot | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 07:14.44 | r0bby | hrm |
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| 07:14.53 | r0bby | :x |
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| 07:16.17 | milki | write like what? |
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| 07:17.18 | milki | o |
| 07:17.21 | milki | starting with spaces |
| 07:17.23 | milki | i knew that |
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| 07:18.03 | r0bby | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:19.10 | WinterMute | ah but not everyone's logs are filtered :p |
| 07:19.22 | WinterMute | hands r0bby a tin foil hat |
| 07:19.24 | r0bby | mine arent but i prune when it gets full |
| 07:19.35 | r0bby | puts it on |
| 07:19.48 | r0bby | ALIENS can't get me now! |
| 07:20.59 | r0bby | night :) |
| 07:21.06 | r0bby | i gotta get up in 4 hrs :) |
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| 07:25.20 | desu | o_O |
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| 07:26.50 | onar | so I saved our application, is there anything else we need to do? |
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| 07:27.13 | scorche | onar: not at the moment |
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| 07:27.52 | onar | great :) |
| 07:28.02 | onar | I guess we'll wait and see |
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| 08:15.39 | amit8-89 | !faq |
| 08:15.39 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
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| 08:19.57 | pepso | i am a student. what I have to know to apply in GSOC? (in Programming) can any one help me? |
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| 08:20.08 | impl | ~faq |
| 08:20.14 | Mathiasd1 | it depends from project to project |
| 08:20.16 | impl | !faq |
| 08:20.17 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 08:20.25 | impl | so many bots, so little time. |
| 08:20.25 | pepso | socinfo: ok |
| 08:20.25 | socinfo | Error: "ok" is not a valid command. |
| 08:20.36 | ESphynx | yay! my app is finally there lol |
| 08:21.18 | pepso | but basically which language i have to know? |
| 08:21.24 | pepso | except english |
| 08:21.32 | Catfish_Man | depends on the project |
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| 08:21.42 | Catfish_Man | just about every not-totally-obscure language is in use by some project |
| 08:22.08 | pepso | Catfish_Man: thanks |
| 08:22.15 | B4gder | so can someone on the google side kill my "link id" I wrongly created for myself and not the org mentor application I meant it for? |
| 08:23.12 | ESphynx | and some somewhat obscure languages too :P |
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| 08:23.26 | pepso | ESphynx: ok |
| 08:23.39 | scorche | B4gder: see other channel... |
| 08:24.07 | B4gder | yeah, I read that after I asked here |
| 08:26.20 | ojwb | socbot may have the list from last year |
| 08:26.24 | ojwb | !orgsbylang |
| 08:26.24 | socinfo | Error: "orgsbylang" is not a valid command. |
| 08:26.27 | ojwb | hmm |
| 08:26.34 | scorche | !orgbylang |
| 08:26.34 | socinfo | "orgbylang" is http://eflow.org/wiki/index.php?Mentors_by_language |
| 08:26.39 | ojwb | d'oh |
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| 08:27.04 | ojwb | socinfo: orgsbylang is http://eflow.org/wiki/index.php?Mentors_by_language |
| 08:27.04 | socinfo | Error: "orgsbylang" is not a valid command. |
| 08:27.11 | ojwb | hohum |
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| 08:27.35 | ojwb | socinfo: learn orgsbylang as http://eflow.org/wiki/index.php?Mentors_by_language |
| 08:27.35 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 08:28.04 | scorche | cop out...just learn the first factoid =P |
| 08:28.13 | lil_Toady | ~timeline |
| 08:28.29 | lil_Toady | !timeline |
| 08:28.30 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#timeline, or (#2) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 08:30.09 | scorche | !forget timeline 1 |
| 08:30.09 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 08:33.39 | spectie | mornin' all |
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| 08:49.42 | B4gder | hm 'save changes' is enough to make it a final application? |
| 08:49.48 | B4gder | it's not very clear |
| 08:50.21 | arma | i think it counts. i think you can keep editing up to the deadline, then whatever you have then sticks. |
| 08:50.28 | B4gder | aha |
| 08:50.47 | scorche | right |
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| 08:54.04 | B4gder | I could use the same link id in my mentor application as I did for me personally... |
| 08:54.12 | B4gder | mentor org |
| 08:56.22 | scorche | hrm... |
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| 08:57.21 | scorche | asks in another channel about this |
| 08:57.35 | B4gder | :-) |
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| 09:05.48 | PeepOle | danderson: Do you work for Google? |
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| 09:06.49 | ajuonline | PeepOle: yes, he does. |
| 09:07.10 | arma | B4gder: in practice (speaking as an admin), all the mentors i want i add myself. either when i submit my org app, or because they contact me out-of-band and i add them. so i guess the suggestion is, make sure to contact them out-of-band too, whatever this "mentor application" is. |
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| 09:08.41 | B4gder | arma: right, but my current little problems are only with the web app for mentor org applications, nothing else really |
| 09:09.09 | B4gder | I've been mentor org admin two previous years |
| 09:09.31 | PeepOle | xc |
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| 09:12.03 | Testbaudson | Mapbender (applying under the OSGeo umbrella) has added an ideas page: |
| 09:12.05 | Testbaudson | http://www.mapbender.org/GSoC_2009 |
| 09:12.24 | Testbaudson | this is a GIS application, based on PHP, JavaScript, SQL |
| 09:12.34 | Testbaudson | take a look if you're interested |
| 09:12.36 | Testbaudson | cheers |
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| 09:36.05 | _killerfox_ | Hello, Could anyone please clrify for me what "brief list of delivarables" means here: "However, you should still plan to provide an abstract of your proposal, including a brief list of deliverables to ensure that your work receives sufficient review" ? |
| 09:36.46 | Ivanovic | a list of "must implement features" |
| 09:37.06 | Ivanovic | as in "i think i failed my project when not delivering those" |
| 09:37.13 | scorche | _killerfox_: why dont you ask the org you are considering applying to what they mean? |
| 09:37.32 | _killerfox_ | Oh thank you |
| 09:37.46 | _killerfox_ | scorche: that is actually on the GSOC FAQs |
| 09:39.33 | scorche | indeed, but each org likely will be looking for certain somethings in each application...it is generally a good idea to open up a dialog with them while writing your applications to find out specifically what they are looking for |
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| 09:39.57 | _killerfox_ | oh I see |
| 09:39.59 | _killerfox_ | thanks |
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| 09:44.04 | Wombert | hai |
| 09:44.11 | Sandro_ | hello |
| 09:44.20 | Wombert | is it okay if I simply link to the student application template on our wiki? |
| 09:45.14 | ojwb | lh said yes when I asked earlier |
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| 09:45.46 | Wombert | cool thanks ojwb |
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| 09:46.43 | ArthurLiu | hey, any orgs on Twitter ? |
| 09:47.41 | Sandro_ | i'd like to be a mentor for an already established organization, is it possible to search for one and apply? |
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| 09:48.22 | scorche | sandalle: well, there are no accepted organizations yet...feel free to go up to that org and ask them if you could be be a mentor if they do get accepted though |
| 09:48.32 | Wombert | alrighty |
| 09:48.33 | Wombert | done :) |
| 09:50.45 | sandalle | Sandro_: I think scorche's comment is for you. ;) |
| 09:50.55 | scorche | whoops |
| 09:51.00 | Sandro_ | yep :) |
| 09:51.11 | Sandro_ | tnx scorche |
| 09:51.28 | x58 | scorche: You and your laziness/tab completion :P |
| 09:51.45 | scorche | you dont use tab completion? =P |
| 09:51.53 | x58 | scorche: I do. |
| 09:52.07 | x58 | I just watch what I am doing :P |
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| 10:24.29 | glaksmono | wh00t? |
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| 10:33.37 | Ivanovic | ah, the question on the ml is a *good* one (regarding "how to format the application nicely") |
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| 10:34.35 | ojwb | wonder if it'll be answered before I go to bed... |
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| 10:37.13 | Ivanovic | does not know the answer but waits for it, too (since the wesnoth application looks *bad* without newlines...) |
| 10:38.29 | ojwb | almost everyone's will |
| 10:38.42 | ojwb | unless you write 2 word answers |
| 10:38.56 | Ivanovic | jupp |
| 10:38.58 | spectie | Ivanovic, |
| 10:39.02 | spectie | yeah |
| 10:39.10 | spectie | we just reformatted it to use the first word in capitals |
| 10:39.12 | ojwb | ho ho |
| 10:39.14 | spectie | which looks kind of ugly |
| 10:39.18 | Ivanovic | and our answers are rather langthy... http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/SoC_Information_for_Google |
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| 10:39.21 | spectie | but slightly better |
| 10:39.34 | spectie | than a huge block of text without any spacing whatsoever |
| 10:40.43 | Ivanovic | yeah |
| 10:40.45 | Ivanovic | but ugly anyway |
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| 10:56.05 | mitsuhiko | can i somehow figure out the link_id of someone? |
| 10:56.23 | mitsuhiko | i'm pretty sure our backup admin has one already, but i can't reach him right now |
| 10:57.17 | Ivanovic | mitsuhiko: then leave this field empty for the moment |
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| 10:57.28 | Ivanovic | it is not one of the "required" blocks IIRC |
| 10:57.53 | mitsuhiko | ah. great |
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| 11:00.37 | friedel | So how can I go back to add a link_id for a backup admin? |
| 11:00.46 | Ivanovic | beside this: you can alter the form over the next 7h |
| 11:01.09 | Ivanovic | friedel: click on "my applications" in the left pane (should be at the buttom) |
| 11:01.22 | friedel | Ivanovic: all three lists are empty for me |
| 11:01.24 | Ivanovic | there you see three fields, submitted, accepted and rejected applications |
| 11:01.38 | ojwb | mitsuhiko: if you start to type in their name, the field should show completions |
| 11:01.39 | Ivanovic | in submitted you should be able to see your application if it got in successfully |
| 11:02.02 | ojwb | though only those that existed when you started to edit most recently it seems, so save and reedit if it's only just been created |
| 11:02.08 | mitsuhiko | looks like he doesn't have a link_id yet |
| 11:02.22 | mitsuhiko | gotta mail him |
| 11:02.34 | ojwb | suspects it isn't vital, but probably best to try to get it done before the deadline |
| 11:02.46 | Ivanovic | at least it does not hurt to have |
| 11:02.47 | mitsuhiko | yeah. will try to get him registered there asap :) |
| 11:03.38 | Ivanovic | ah, even almost 8h left to fill out the stuff |
| 11:04.19 | friedel | ojwb: Do you mean it won't show up immediately on the list of applications? I added the first draft about 20 hours ago. |
| 11:04.20 | Ivanovic | and on wednesday we should know which projects got in and which rejected |
| 11:04.33 | Ivanovic | friedel: mine showed up immideatly |
| 11:04.46 | friedel | So I'll have to redo to be safe, it seems |
| 11:05.15 | jasebo | yah, mine was there straight away too |
| 11:05.21 | Ivanovic | friedel: better do so |
| 11:05.40 | ojwb | friedel: no - I meant if you're editting the org app and your backup admin puts herself in the system, you won't see her link id in the autocompletion |
| 11:05.43 | Ivanovic | friedel: that is: in general you should save the stuff you plan to enter somewhere to ease your life for future submissions |
| 11:05.48 | ojwb | you need to save and reedit, and then it appears |
| 11:06.36 | Ivanovic | (for wesnoth we kept the application from last your and now "only" update things as we see them required) |
| 11:06.41 | alexstre^ | ~timeline |
| 11:07.01 | alexstre^ | guess not |
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| 11:07.05 | Ivanovic | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 11:07.14 | alexstre^ | thank you |
| 11:07.23 | Ivanovic | i am not a bot but had the site open anyway |
| 11:07.25 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 11:07.27 | Ivanovic | you're welcome |
| 11:07.58 | alexstre^ | :) I couldn't remember when the deadline for organizations was (not that it matters to me that much) |
| 11:08.09 | Ivanovic | in about 8h |
| 11:08.18 | Ivanovic | 7h50min to be a little more precise |
| 11:08.20 | ojwb | noon UTC |
| 11:08.31 | Ivanovic | ojwb: wrong |
| 11:08.34 | ojwb | oh |
| 11:08.36 | alexstre^ | yeah it's 7 am here (EST) |
| 11:08.37 | Ivanovic | noon *PDT* |
| 11:08.41 | jasebo | I thought it was 17.00UTC |
| 11:08.43 | ojwb | well, something like that |
| 11:08.51 | alexstre^ | 7 pm utc yeah |
| 11:08.55 | Ivanovic | March 13: |
| 11:08.56 | Ivanovic | 12 noon PDT / 19:00 UTC |
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| 11:10.42 | jasebo | 5am March 14 AEST :-) |
| 11:10.45 | jasebo | we get an extraay |
| 11:10.50 | jasebo | an extra day |
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| 11:11.39 | alexstre^ | the friday the 13th is a cool deadline date ;) |
| 11:11.53 | beket | LOL |
| 11:12.28 | jasebo | my real name is Jason |
| 11:12.33 | jasebo | so I would have thought I should submit it today |
| 11:12.46 | jasebo | just to be in the spirit |
| 11:12.48 | alexstre^ | haha |
| 11:12.50 | beket | hahahah |
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| 11:13.26 | beket | I hope we don't have any Fred/Freddy between us :) |
| 11:14.04 | jasebo | lol |
| 11:14.58 | alexstre^ | I think my biggest challenge so far concerning GSoC was to explain to my friends/parents what it was |
| 11:15.46 | jasebo | did they get it in the end? |
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| 11:16.19 | smtms | alexstre^, did you have to explain what open source is? |
| 11:16.23 | alexstre^ | most of them did, I think they just don't really see the point of it |
| 11:16.33 | alexstre^ | smtms: yeah, the whole thing, to most of them at least |
| 11:16.39 | WinterMute | did you mention the stipend? |
| 11:16.48 | beket | WinterMute :) |
| 11:16.56 | rohananil | WinterMute: :D |
| 11:17.13 | WinterMute | most people see the point of money if nothing else ;) |
| 11:17.22 | alexstre^ | the stipend is what confused my parents the most |
| 11:18.03 | ojwb | "money can be exchanged for goods and services" 'woohoo!' |
| 11:18.05 | alexstre^ | "so, it's called GOOGLE summer of code, but you don't really work for google... and you don't really work anywhere, and and and" |
| 11:18.24 | ojwb | technically the students are contractors for google, apparently |
| 11:18.32 | ojwb | so you kind of do |
| 11:19.14 | Beket | Does the certification from the university have to be validated by an official translating organisation? Say British council or so ? |
| 11:20.12 | ojwb | Beket: you'll probably have to ask someone from Google, and it's 4am in california right now |
| 11:20.35 | smtms | Beket, no |
| 11:20.37 | Beket | Ah sure, np. I just asked in case anyone had experience from last years or so |
| 11:20.44 | ojwb | it seems someone does |
| 11:20.50 | Beket | Thanks smtms |
| 11:21.04 | ojwb | they can just use Google translate! |
| 11:21.04 | smtms | Beket, they even accepted it in the native language |
| 11:21.28 | Beket | Cool |
| 11:21.33 | jasebo | google don't need to translate. They already know. |
| 11:21.59 | Beket | I see "google facts" emerging :) |
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| 11:24.16 | spectie | if anyone from wesnoth is here, can i recommend a change in wording ? |
| 11:24.28 | spectie | Ivanovic, |
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| 11:24.35 | spectie | under ' What is your plan for dealing with disappearing students?'" |
| 11:24.54 | spectie | you're using "sensible" where i think perhaps "sensitive" might be a better word |
| 11:25.18 | spectie | and "constructive criticism from useless one" would be better as "constructive from useless criticism" |
| 11:26.36 | alexstre^ | I always get sensitive and sensible confused, I think it's a french thing |
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| 11:26.44 | spectie | french, spanish |
| 11:26.48 | spectie | many romance languages |
| 11:27.28 | Ivanovic | alexstre^: yeah, the main guy writing the stuff comes from france |
| 11:28.13 | spectie | the same with using 'one' like that |
| 11:28.29 | spectie | spanish speakers do that too |
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| 11:38.34 | scorche | <ojwb> technically the students are contractors for google, apparently <-- yes, but saying "i am working for Google" is a big no-no ;) |
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| 11:39.00 | alexstre^ | :) |
| 11:39.08 | jasebo | no, anyway if you're working for anyone, it's for the Open Source project you're developing for :-) |
| 11:40.52 | PeepOle | scorche: If we are contractors for google, what's stopping us from saying we worked for google? :) |
| 11:41.25 | jasebo | the technical answer is that google are not directing your work, so you therefore aren't working for google |
| 11:41.29 | Ivanovic | PeepOle: in fact google only pays the money and trusts the rest to the project |
| 11:41.31 | jasebo | google are funding work for other organisations |
| 11:41.36 | scorche | you *arent* working for Google...Google is just subsidizing your project for <mentoring org here> |
| 11:41.49 | Ivanovic | so basically goodle is providing the money that the projects spend on the students |
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| 11:42.06 | Ivanovic | (since the projects say "yes, give the student the money" with a positive evaluation) |
| 11:42.29 | smtms | you are working for Google, it's just that Google is off-loading the supervising work to a mentoring org |
| 11:42.30 | alexstre^ | basically Google could give the money to the organizations, and never talk about it again |
| 11:43.08 | scorche | Smartys: no, you arent |
| 11:43.09 | PeepOle | thinks mafia work like that too |
| 11:43.13 | scorche | BAH |
| 11:43.16 | scorche | smtms: ^^ |
| 11:43.16 | jasebo | if you do great, and get excellent evaluations, and google are impressed, then they might hire you :-D |
| 11:43.21 | jasebo | then you can say you worked for google |
| 11:43.23 | PeepOle | oooooooooooh |
| 11:43.48 | PeepOle | Just on the basis of a mentor's evaluation? |
| 11:43.51 | scorche | jasebo: perhaps, but not any different from people who arent involved in GSoC |
| 11:43.57 | alexstre^ | with my current major I'd doubt google would ever hire me |
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| 11:44.27 | jasebo | the organisation application agreement specifically mentions that google go through the evaluations and may use it to hire people |
| 11:44.58 | scorche | sure, but that doesnt mean that GSoC is anything like a Google recruiting platform |
| 11:45.07 | Ivanovic | PeepOle: exactly |
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| 11:45.33 | scorche | Ivanovic: i think he was referring to jasebo's remarks there.. |
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| 11:45.36 | Ivanovic | PeepOle: the mentor org decides a) if you are selected |
| 11:45.45 | Ivanovic | b) if you get the money for the first half |
| 11:45.51 | Ivanovic | c) if you get the rest of the money, too |
| 11:46.08 | smtms | Ivanovic, Google decides if the mentoring org gets slots and how many |
| 11:46.20 | Ivanovic | smtms: correct, but the rest is done by the orgs |
| 11:46.34 | Ivanovic | so google basically decides about the "max amount of money an org can spend" |
| 11:47.24 | scorche | the thing is, if you go around saying that you are working for Google due to GSoC, Google won't be too happy with you... |
| 11:47.36 | PeepOle | Is the main aim of GSoC from Google's point of view, to find suitable employees? |
| 11:47.44 | jasebo | you could say that google helped fund your education |
| 11:47.45 | scorche | reall, Google is just funding projects as we have been saying.. |
| 11:47.50 | scorche | PeepOle: not at all |
| 11:47.50 | Ivanovic | you are participating in google summer of code, correct |
| 11:47.55 | Ivanovic | but not working for google |
| 11:48.04 | alexstre^ | you could use it to get girls in clubs, but don't put it on your resume |
| 11:48.06 | jasebo | Google does this to support open source |
| 11:48.16 | WinterMute | sure does |
| 11:48.20 | Ivanovic | PeepOle: not at all, they *only* keep the option open to consider what you have done in summer of code when they want to hire you for whatever reason they have |
| 11:48.25 | scorche | PeepOle: this is all about getting open source orgs more mentors/spreading the open source love/etc |
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| 11:48.37 | jasebo | I think google keep the option of hiring really brilliant people based on evaluations, just in case Linus Torvalds drops by. |
| 11:48.40 | WinterMute | good job the melange people aren't in here, they're meanies :p |
| 11:48.47 | smtms | alexstre^, Leslie specifically suggested a line that you can put in your CV, and it included the word Google |
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| 11:49.26 | Ivanovic | of course you can add a "participated in google summer of code 200X with organization ABC" |
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| 11:49.40 | Ivanovic | but no line like "working for google in the summer 200X" |
| 11:49.57 | alexstre^ | yeah, I just don't think you should put 'Past employer: Google (summer 2009)' |
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| 11:50.06 | alexstre^ | exactly |
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| 11:51.07 | alexstre^ | it's definitely a great addition to a CV though |
| 11:51.46 | Ivanovic | so yeah, i as org administrator can add (and probably will ;) ) a line like "Org admin for Battle for Wesnoth in the Google Summer of Code 2008" |
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| 11:52.09 | Ivanovic | but you should be rather exactly stating that you are not directly working for google with stuff like this |
| 11:52.35 | Ivanovic | and yes, it is normally *good* to list open source projects you have actively work on in your later CV |
| 11:53.34 | WinterMute | depends where you go really |
| 11:53.36 | ojwb | unless you're applying to microsoft... |
| 11:54.15 | Ivanovic | WinterMute: it is a lot better than "nothing beside studying" since it shows that you got some practical experiences |
| 11:54.18 | WinterMute | once worked for a company where CVs with FOSS experience went in the "communist hippy" bin |
| 11:54.45 | ojwb | then good to list it so you don't end up working for such idiots... |
| 11:54.47 | Ivanovic | lovely... |
| 11:54.53 | jasebo | WinterMute: what happened to that company? |
| 11:54.59 | PeepOle | Hey, in all previous GSoCs , google itself participated as a mentoring org. But where are their ideas list? There are none on the official sites. |
| 11:55.04 | Ivanovic | so if eg a kernel dev, former employee eg of redhat or intel would not be accepted? |
| 11:55.06 | Ivanovic | ;) |
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| 11:55.14 | ojwb | PeepOle: see the FAQ |
| 11:55.23 | PeepOle | !faq |
| 11:55.23 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 11:55.23 | bitner | Does anyone here know about formatting in the melange organization application, adding html formatting in the description box comes through, but in the why is your group applying box things get escaped |
| 11:55.38 | Ivanovic | bitner: noone knows about this so far |
| 11:55.46 | ojwb | bitner: no, but someone asked on the mailing list |
| 11:55.59 | bitner | weird |
| 11:56.14 | ojwb | probably a bug |
| 11:56.32 | WinterMute | mind you, they did have bad experiences with someone who insisted on using linux to dev on - turned out he was doing all sorts of stuff with the company network he shouldn't have been doing |
| 11:58.09 | PeepOle | ojwb: There's nothing in the faq related to my question :( |
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| 11:58.54 | ojwb | looks |
| 11:59.13 | sfb | WinterMute: haha |
| 11:59.19 | sfb | WinterMute: Like this? http://www.dilbert.com/strips/comic/2007-01-25/ |
| 11:59.58 | scorche | PeepOle: yes there is....read closer... http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#no_org |
| 12:00.10 | ojwb | yeah, that |
| 12:00.29 | PeepOle | ooh my bad |
| 12:00.36 | PeepOle | :P |
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| 12:06.24 | Lennie | hi |
| 12:07.34 | rohananil | hi Lennie |
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| 12:16.33 | bitner | Just to be clear: I should not be adding any mentors at the application stage |
| 12:16.57 | Wombert | yes bitner |
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| 12:17.02 | bitner | thnaks |
| 12:17.10 | Wombert | that's what I understand as well |
| 12:17.16 | Wombert | that comes after the application was accepted |
| 12:17.28 | bitner | well, at least then there will be two of us :-) |
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| 12:21.13 | Lennie | correct bitner, you'll have to add them after your org has been accepted |
| 12:22.05 | bitner | Lennie: do you know about formatting in the organization application (ie how to get line breaks) |
| 12:22.30 | Lennie | yes |
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| 12:22.55 | Lennie | they are saved in the datastore |
| 12:23.11 | bitner | html seems to work in the description box, but not the others |
| 12:23.13 | Lennie | your layout is saved :) |
| 12:23.17 | Lennie | yes |
| 12:23.21 | Lennie | on purpose |
| 12:23.22 | ojwb | so it's just the public view which is a bit broken |
| 12:23.25 | Lennie | yes |
| 12:23.28 | ojwb | cool |
| 12:23.29 | Lennie | we've fixed that |
| 12:23.34 | Lennie | a new release should be made soon |
| 12:23.39 | Ivanovic | *great* |
| 12:23.42 | Lennie | so dont worry ^_ ^ |
| 12:23.50 | Ivanovic | so no need to explicitly format eg the description box? |
| 12:23.52 | bitner | should I leave html in, or just normal line breaks? |
| 12:24.02 | Ivanovic | (with forced html <br>) |
| 12:24.40 | bitner | (also <ul><li>.... vs just using * ...) |
| 12:24.43 | Lennie | everything that does not use the TinyMCE editor should not use HTML |
| 12:24.54 | Lennie | as it will not be parsed as HTML |
| 12:25.01 | bitner | ok so that includes the description |
| 12:25.23 | Ivanovic | would love to have the option to use plain and simple media wiki syntax |
| 12:25.24 | bitner | (meaning I should remove html from the description) |
| 12:25.31 | spectie | aye |
| 12:25.33 | spectie | that would be great |
| 12:25.56 | Lennie | dont know if there is a feature request for that yet |
| 12:26.02 | Lennie | but I've heared a few other people say that as well |
| 12:26.09 | Ivanovic | (since we store our work in progress in a mediawiki anyway and, uhm, then we could just point the students to that form and have it pasted, too, would look identical to them) |
| 12:26.13 | spectie | aye |
| 12:26.14 | spectie | exactly |
| 12:26.25 | spectie | i think most people do their apps on wiki |
| 12:26.29 | Lennie | we might decide to switch :) |
| 12:26.33 | Ivanovic | the benefit is that it is quite well known by now and easy to use |
| 12:26.36 | Ivanovic | :) |
| 12:27.07 | ojwb | lh said the student application template doesn't need to be inline |
| 12:27.23 | Lennie | you should leave the html for the description bitner |
| 12:27.23 | Ivanovic | ojwb: i know |
| 12:27.40 | Lennie | that now uses tinyMCE as well |
| 12:27.49 | bitner | doh, just took that out :-) |
| 12:28.01 | bitner | ctrl-z to the rescue |
| 12:28.02 | Lennie | hehe |
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| 12:28.48 | Lennie | feel free to leave your wik idea @ http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/entry |
| 12:29.00 | Lennie | I'm sure there are more people out there who would like to see that change |
| 12:29.15 | Lennie | *wiki |
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| 12:32.25 | Lennie | my view of the current development is that we want to run GSoC once to see what kind of practical issues come up and then make sure we make it more awesome next year ^_^ |
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| 12:50.27 | Ivanovic | Lennie: is tinyMCE automatically active when clicking on "edit", too? |
| 12:50.31 | Ivanovic | that is: i don't get it there |
| 12:50.49 | Ivanovic | so does either the system have to be updated, or is this only valid for new submissions? |
| 12:50.57 | Lennie | should be there |
| 12:51.12 | Lennie | could you pm me the link ^_ ^? |
| 12:51.37 | Ivanovic | and i also doN't get it when trying to submit a new app |
| 12:52.47 | Lennie | the description field will get the tinyMCE editor in the new release, which should be soonish :) |
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| 12:57.19 | kblin | hi folks |
| 12:57.36 | jpirie23 | afternoon |
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| 12:58.04 | jan936 | hi |
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| 12:58.26 | PeepOle | If anyone here knows Common Lisp, please answer, I have a quick question to ask. |
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| 12:59.33 | durin42 | Lennie: Is there any easy way to figure out if Mercurial's application vanished? |
| 13:00.02 | djc | Lennie: otherwise I'll re-apply, but it would be weird if two versions showed up somehow |
| 13:00.12 | Lennie | did it vanish? |
| 13:00.56 | Lennie | what is the link id of the application? |
| 13:01.14 | lol_Toady | will i be able to know if my application been accepted before the whole list is up? |
| 13:01.37 | Ivanovic | lol_Toady: no |
| 13:01.42 | Ivanovic | you will know it when all know it |
| 13:01.56 | Lennie | maybe a few min before the whole list is up |
| 13:01.58 | Ivanovic | though last year they got online "step by step" over >1h |
| 13:02.01 | Lennie | when you receive an email :) |
| 13:02.10 | durin42 | djc: see above |
| 13:02.33 | Ivanovic | that is those who are first in alphabetical sorting, will know a little earlies |
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| 13:03.37 | djc | Lennie: link id should be 'hg' |
| 13:03.45 | djc | I didn |
| 13:03.58 | djc | I saved a few times without completing all the (required) fields |
| 13:03.59 | durin42 | Lennie: I did a search in the datastore, there's no OrgApplications with link_id='hg' |
| 13:04.04 | djc | then when I came back it was gone |
| 13:04.20 | Lennie | there's your problem |
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| 13:04.33 | Ivanovic | djc: for saving a "work in progress" version just add a 'foo' string in all that are not done yet |
| 13:04.45 | djc | I was told I could iterate a few times, I took that to mean that it would save stuff regardless :| |
| 13:05.01 | Ivanovic | yes, but you can *only* iterate when it was saved |
| 13:05.15 | djc | well, I did click 'save' a few times |
| 13:05.23 | Ivanovic | and probably you got some message that not all required fields were filled out and thus could not be saved |
| 13:05.24 | Lennie | yeah but the form will show you error messages |
| 13:06.02 | djc | yeah, I guess it's just me, but I think saving stuff off would probably be a better default |
| 13:06.26 | schumaml | ++ for that |
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| 13:10.16 | Lennie | might be better off calling the button submit, and when you iterate it should be save changes ^_^ |
| 13:11.04 | schumaml | then you get questions like "can I change the application after submitting it?" |
| 13:11.17 | schumaml | or at least more of them |
| 13:12.30 | B4gder | so anyone around now that can alter the user db for the gsoc user profiles (mine) ? |
| 13:12.54 | Lennie | B4gder, for what reason :)? |
| 13:12.55 | B4gder | has a case of duplicate link id |
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| 13:13.18 | Lennie | explain? |
| 13:13.40 | Lennie | schumaml, I like those questions better then "omg I lost my app" |
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| 13:13.44 | B4gder | "edit profile" on my shows a link id named 'rockbox' that is the exact same link id I have in the mentor org application |
| 13:13.45 | Lennie | since that sucks :) |
| 13:13.54 | Lennie | they are seperate |
| 13:13.59 | B4gder | ah good |
| 13:14.11 | B4gder | well, the one I put in my user profile was a mistake still |
| 13:14.17 | Lennie | if you want your user id changed that can be arranged |
| 13:14.37 | Lennie | I'll pm you the info |
| 13:14.41 | B4gder | thanks! |
| 13:14.48 | ojwb | wonders if you should be warned if your user and org id are the same |
| 13:14.54 | ojwb | or perhaps it doesn't matter |
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| 13:15.15 | Lennie | it doesnt really matter |
| 13:15.23 | B4gder | to me it was the fact that I created a personal link id that was a bit not-expected |
| 13:15.36 | B4gder | I thought I created a profile for my org |
| 13:15.45 | B4gder | then when I realized, I couldn't edit it |
| 13:16.02 | Lennie | hehe |
| 13:16.11 | Lennie | nope Melange is more then just orgs only |
| 13:16.15 | Lennie | so you have your own profile |
| 13:16.26 | Lennie | but the help text says: This Link ID is used throughout the site when creating various URL links related to you and content you create. As a result, it may only consist of lower ASCII characters, digits, and underscores. Also, it must be unique and not in use by any other user of the site. |
| 13:16.30 | B4gder | yeah, it has appeared quite clearly to me now ;-) |
| 13:16.41 | B4gder | Lennie: "you" yes |
| 13:16.47 | B4gder | it can be the org |
| 13:16.55 | B4gder | it doesn't need to mean me as an individual |
| 13:17.13 | Lennie | true |
| 13:17.21 | Lennie | but it also says not in use by any other "user" |
| 13:17.25 | Lennie | which is also vague ^_^ |
| 13:17.35 | B4gder | right, and I do admit I was a bit sloppy as well |
| 13:17.58 | Lennie | doesnt matter |
| 13:17.58 | Lennie | it's new |
| 13:18.10 | Lennie | and it needs some sharpening ^_^ |
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| 13:20.51 | kloeri | Lennie: maybe you can help me - a case of intermittent wifi and not enough coffee/sleep resulted in me saving the same application under two different link ids |
| 13:21.24 | kloeri | I'm not allowed to delete the duplicate application despite there being a nice big delete button :) |
| 13:21.28 | Lennie | yeah |
| 13:21.31 | Lennie | only devs can ^_^ |
| 13:21.37 | kloeri | right |
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| 13:23.48 | kloeri | slightly unintuitive as I'm allowed to change all the content |
| 13:26.01 | Lennie | yeah |
| 13:26.19 | Lennie | as said |
| 13:26.21 | Lennie | sharpening |
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| 13:26.28 | kloeri | nod |
| 13:26.38 | Lennie | I just changed the save changes -> submit |
| 13:26.44 | Lennie | if you are creating a new proposal |
| 13:26.55 | Lennie | (you wont see it now, since the new release is not up) |
| 13:27.09 | amit8-88 | hi Lennie |
| 13:27.11 | Lennie | but it should help with the understading that there is no partial saving "yet" |
| 13:27.14 | Lennie | hi amit8-88 |
| 13:27.28 | amit8-88 | want to point you to a typo at http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html#0_1_student_apply_143998159595_029492810429935346 |
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| 13:27.53 | Lennie | hmm I cant touch that amit8-88 |
| 13:28.16 | Lennie | lh can, but she's probably still sleeping :) |
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| 13:28.45 | amit8-88 | hmm probably you can ping lh when she comes online :) |
| 13:29.03 | Lennie | you can leave her a message :) |
| 13:29.06 | Lennie | she's in the channel |
| 13:29.23 | amit8-88 | sure :) |
| 13:29.48 | amit8-88 | ls: want to point you to a minor typo at http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html#0_1_student_apply_143998159595_029492810429935346 |
| 13:29.58 | ojwb | lh:^ (not ls) |
| 13:30.01 | amit8-88 | lh^ |
| 13:30.21 | amit8-88 | thanks ojwb ;) |
| 13:30.29 | ojwb | sure |
| 13:31.10 | amit8-88 | btw I think the faqs have moved to a new location on http://socghop.appspot.com/ |
| 13:31.56 | Lennie | yes |
| 13:32.03 | Lennie | we have a static FAQ up on the code page |
| 13:32.08 | Lennie | just in case something goes wrong :D |
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| 13:32.31 | amit8-88 | hmm nice |
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| 13:33.22 | Vudentz__ | what is this link id about on user profiles? |
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| 13:34.24 | eliel | Hello, is there any example about the student application (the information requested)? |
| 13:34.47 | Lennie | eliel, every org has a different way of looking at proposals |
| 13:35.01 | Lennie | but you might be able to find some from other students through google websearch |
| 13:35.11 | Lennie | or maybe someone in this channel knows where to get examples :) |
| 13:35.18 | Lennie | Vudentz__, it's your unique identifier |
| 13:35.22 | eliel | Lennie: ah, thanks, I will ask the org |
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| 13:36.46 | Vudentz__ | Lennie: ok, so whatever I pick I should be able to remember in the future? |
| 13:37.01 | Lennie | hmm, you dont have to remember |
| 13:37.11 | Lennie | you can always hit edit profile and it will show up on that page |
| 13:37.14 | Lennie | you just cant edit it |
| 13:37.24 | Lennie | you'll use your google account to log in |
| 13:37.50 | Vudentz__ | Lennie: fine, thanks |
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| 13:39.32 | LaurieJ | just finalising my organisation application for sakaiproject.org :) |
| 13:39.40 | Lennie | good luck |
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| 13:40.56 | ojwb | Lennie: will we need to know a student's link_id? (will they have link_ids?) |
| 13:41.10 | ojwb | we being an org |
| 13:42.17 | alexstre^ | since students log on using their google account, I'm assuming that's all you'll need |
| 13:42.46 | ojwb | I guess the application comes through the webapp |
| 13:42.59 | Lennie | ojwb, they will have link id's like everyone else |
| 13:43.02 | ojwb | Um ... I mean melange |
| 13:43.11 | Lennie | but you dont need to know them |
| 13:43.14 | ojwb | ok |
| 13:43.18 | Lennie | you'll need to know those of your mentors |
| 13:43.22 | Lennie | since you need to invite them :) |
| 13:43.23 | ojwb | ok |
| 13:43.30 | ojwb | that's more manageable |
| 13:43.35 | ojwb | since i'll know them |
| 13:43.44 | PeepOle | google should cache and search irc logs too. |
| 13:44.04 | alexstre^ | ojwb: what organization are you part of? just curious ;) |
| 13:44.52 | scorche | PeepOle: well, it does that for web pages of logs.. |
| 13:45.03 | alexstre^ | that's what i was about to say |
| 13:45.15 | alexstre^ | if you log your own channel, and put the logs online google should pick them up |
| 13:45.43 | ojwb | alexstre^: Xapian |
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| 13:48.57 | alexstre^ | ojwb: good stuff |
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| 14:05.11 | haoyu | lh here? |
| 14:05.17 | scorche | not yet |
| 14:05.31 | haoyu | a bad news, appspot.com is BLOCKED by Chinese gov |
| 14:05.53 | ojwb | handy... |
| 14:05.59 | lil_Toady | heh, why would they do that |
| 14:06.47 | haoyu | well that means all Chinese can's access the gsoc host :( |
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| 14:07.38 | kblin | I'm afraid that's not easily fixable |
| 14:08.00 | ojwb | file a bug with the chinese government! |
| 14:09.01 | ojwb | wonders if it could just be proxied by someone |
| 14:09.17 | anothy_x | sadly, they're closed source. |
| 14:10.22 | kblin | ojwb: unitl the great firewall blocks the proxy |
| 14:10.48 | ojwb | well, it may be the block on appspot is because of some particular other user |
| 14:11.03 | Landon | ojwb: "Dear God, I would like to file a bug report" |
| 14:12.18 | kblin | Landon: yeah, that as well |
| 14:12.27 | kblin | and I've got a feature request |
| 14:12.30 | kblin | savegames |
| 14:12.36 | Landon | quicksaves* |
| 14:12.39 | Landon | :P |
| 14:12.46 | Landon | none of that checkpoint crap, please, God |
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| 14:12.51 | kblin | :) |
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| 14:13.12 | anothy_x | was the firewall problem something someone here was having, or just a generally noted issue? |
| 14:13.13 | Landon | a dev console would be nice too |
| 14:13.26 | haoyu | it may be unblocked sooner, but also possible be blocked forever |
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| 14:13.43 | haoyu | hoping lh and google have a solution for this |
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| 14:15.18 | kblin | hi spearce, bye spearce, hi spearce |
| 14:15.31 | spearce | :-) |
| 14:15.45 | spearce | colloquy didn't log into all of my channels right. so i kicked it in the head. |
| 14:15.53 | bitner | ouch |
| 14:16.48 | kblin | spearce: looks like there's already some students on the Git list interested in GSoC.. nice :) |
| 14:17.16 | kblin | I'm still working on getting all of my developers interested |
| 14:17.17 | durin42 | spearce: haoyu reports appspot.com is blocked by the Great Firewall of China |
| 14:17.26 | durin42 | spearce: can you nudge lh when she gets in and let her know? |
| 14:17.38 | spearce | durin42: *sigh*. yes, i will let her know when she arrives. |
| 14:17.54 | durin42 | spearce: thanks, I figure she should know |
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| 14:18.01 | durin42 | shakes his fist at the great firewall |
| 14:19.10 | danderson | points at http://code.google.com/p/gladder/ |
| 14:19.29 | danderson | though if the firewall is at all smart, that's blocked too |
| 14:19.38 | alexstre^ | that's a pretty good name |
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| 14:21.28 | haoyu | there's also tor for workaround |
| 14:21.38 | haoyu | but that's just workarounds |
| 14:21.43 | csauer | hello everyone, i have a question concerning a student application, may i ask it here? |
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| 14:22.42 | alexstre^ | !faq |
| 14:22.42 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
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| 14:24.23 | kblin | er.. |
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| 14:24.36 | kblin | danderson: so socinfo is back? :) |
| 14:24.57 | danderson | indeed |
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| 14:25.19 | danderson | and open to edition if something needs tweaking |
| 14:25.29 | kblin | danderson: given that I now have a fixed hostmask, can you add me to the list of people allow.. ah, ok |
| 14:25.49 | danderson | kblin: I added the entire universe :P |
| 14:25.59 | kblin | yay? |
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| 14:26.55 | lxnay | hi all, I just filled this form, http://socghop.appspot.com/org_app/apply/google/gsoc2009, was wondering if there's any other step to accomplish to submit an organization application |
| 14:27.42 | lxnay | not that is *that* clear btw |
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| 14:29.56 | bitner | just notes that lxnay might want to be intentionally polite rather than snide as the folks on this channel are the ones who will be judging the apps |
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| 14:31.30 | lxnay | bitner: well, I am used to ask what I don't fully understand, I prefer being super-sure rather than just guessing, I don't think it's a bad thing after all |
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| 14:31.52 | B4gder | lxnay: I agree with you that it is not clear at all |
| 14:32.18 | B4gder | but it is my understanding that it is enough |
| 14:32.39 | lxnay | allright, thanks :) |
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| 14:33.06 | xzilla | is there any way to see which organizations have applied? |
| 14:33.39 | thiago_home | no |
| 14:33.48 | xzilla | or... a way to determine if a specific project has applied |
| 14:33.51 | thiago_home | the list of approved orgs will show up on the 18th |
| 14:33.53 | thiago_home | yes, ask them |
| 14:33.58 | thiago_home | "have you applied?" |
| 14:34.02 | thiago_home | if they say yes, then they have applied |
| 14:34.12 | csauer | hello everyone, i am a student in an exchange program, so i currently have enrolment in two universities... which one should i "choose" when the application period comes? |
| 14:34.32 | kblin | csauer: whichever you like |
| 14:34.35 | thiago_home | csauer: I'd think the one you're currently having classes in |
| 14:34.55 | kblin | you just need to prove you're enrolled at a university somewhere |
| 14:35.12 | kblin | but what thiago_home says makes sense |
| 14:35.18 | csauer | even if the enrolment is as "contact student"? |
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| 14:36.22 | kblin | google is pretty relaxed |
| 14:36.29 | kblin | they're californians, after all ;) |
| 14:37.04 | thiago_home | was in California last week |
| 14:37.11 | maruel | kblin: pfff |
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| 14:37.56 | csauer | that's great, i guess i should mention the situation in the application though, am i right? |
| 14:38.05 | vanRossum | hi |
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| 14:38.29 | danderson | hi. |
| 14:38.40 | spearce | durin42: appspot blocked by the great firewall is apparently not a new issue. china may have just locked itself out of gsoc this year. *sigh* |
| 14:38.47 | easwar | wonders whether keeping silent for a long time in the channel of your target project after having sold your idea,and not telling them you plan to work on it during SoC,is a bad thing |
| 14:38.55 | vanRossum | has anyone joined gsoc before? |
| 14:39.09 | aghisla | i did last year |
| 14:39.11 | danderson | no, nobody has ever joined gsoc before. |
| 14:39.13 | danderson | ever. |
| 14:39.15 | kblin | uh, me, me |
| 14:39.16 | aghisla | ... |
| 14:39.27 | B4gder | we never joined gsoc 2009 before at least |
| 14:39.32 | vanRossum | kblin: which project did you contribute |
| 14:39.57 | kblin | Wine, then Wine, then Samba and then WorldForge, Wine and Samba :) |
| 14:40.13 | kblin | but last year I was mentor and org admin, so that's a bit cheating |
| 14:40.16 | vanRossum | very nice |
| 14:40.29 | kblin | still got a t-shirt, though :) |
| 14:40.40 | spearce | kblin: its all about the t-shirt. :-) |
| 14:40.46 | vanRossum | how do you know where to start when you begin the project? |
| 14:40.48 | alexstre^ | i was about to say ;) |
| 14:41.02 | B4gder | vanRossum: from the beginning! |
| 14:41.13 | alexstre^ | vanRossum: I think the org assume/hope you did some research before applying and you have an idea of what to do |
| 14:41.14 | kblin | spearce: GSoC is the reason my .signature says "Will code for cotton" |
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| 14:41.25 | schumaml | vanRossum: the org's mailing list or irc channel |
| 14:41.32 | aghisla | vanRossum: and read docs |
| 14:42.23 | kblin | vanRossum: A good start is to introduce yourself to the project and figure out what is expected of you, and how this matches your interests |
| 14:42.38 | lxnay | hi guido :) (just guessing) |
| 14:42.49 | vanRossum | i know python and i've written some programs for my phone (bluetooth) and for my box with QT but the project i want to do is about adding LVM support to a local linux distribution |
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| 14:43.01 | durin42 | lxnay: /who suggests it's not guido |
| 14:43.13 | vanRossum | and i really don't know where to start |
| 14:43.13 | lxnay | lol :) |
| 14:43.36 | HanzZ | :D |
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| 14:43.42 | B4gder | vanRossum: then hold on until you know what mentor orgs there will be and then find project for one of those |
| 14:43.49 | aghisla | vanRossum: first check if it is feasible in 3 months |
| 14:43.59 | kblin | vanRossum: adding LVM to a linux distro doesn't sound like a GSoC project |
| 14:44.32 | danderson | I agree with kblin here, doesn't sound very much like coding |
| 14:44.44 | danderson | well, packaging is arguably coding, and it depends on the specifics |
| 14:44.44 | danderson | but even so |
| 14:44.49 | danderson | also, has the distro in question applied for SoC? |
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| 14:45.10 | danderson | You can't just do something in whatever project, it has to be in a mentoring org that applied. |
| 14:45.15 | danderson | (and that got accepted) |
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| 14:45.25 | HanzZ | ~faq |
| 14:45.35 | alexstre^ | !faq |
| 14:45.35 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 14:45.39 | HanzZ | thanks |
| 14:45.40 | vanRossum | the distro was in gsoc last year but not with the project i want to do |
| 14:46.13 | B4gder | vanRossum: talk to the org and you can suggest a project to them (assuming they are a mentor org this year as well) |
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| 14:46.35 | vanRossum | B4gder: yes they are |
| 14:46.36 | B4gder | it's all about communicating with them really |
| 14:46.59 | B4gder | the earlier and the more the better |
| 14:48.00 | vanRossum | actually they have a gsoc2009 project it's about writing a tool that can connect your computer through your phone to gprs |
| 14:48.12 | vanRossum | maybe that is more feasible for 3 months |
| 14:48.22 | B4gder | so talk to them |
| 14:48.24 | vanRossum | at least i have some qlues where to start |
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| 14:48.46 | vanRossum | B4gder: thanks i will |
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| 14:49.52 | zooko | Is the "Link ID" attached to the organization or to the person (me)? |
| 14:50.12 | spearce | zooko: in the org app form, the org. in your profile, you |
| 14:50.23 | zooko | Thanks! |
| 14:52.40 | kblin | derusts his CSS skills a bit |
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| 15:09.06 | welterde | lh: looks like so. else already filed that bug.. oh and it's fixed now |
| 15:09.12 | welterde | at least the fix is commited |
| 15:09.18 | lh | welterde: which bug? |
| 15:10.05 | welterde | lh: with the mangled formatting in the public view |
| 15:10.16 | lh | welterde: ah, great! |
| 15:10.32 | spectie | ah, that is fixed now? |
| 15:10.35 | spectie | you can have spaces ? |
| 15:10.37 | welterde | how often is the app brought up to date? |
| 15:10.58 | welterde | spectie: you mean newlines? |
| 15:11.04 | spectie | ye |
| 15:11.04 | spectie | s |
| 15:11.14 | vcgomes | when trying to make our organization application, I made the stupid mistake of not reading the instructions before doing so. Now, I have an organization ID called vcgomes and I cannot remove it or create a new one. |
| 15:11.17 | welterde | looks like |
| 15:11.21 | kblin | hail lh, how's the dentistery? |
| 15:11.25 | lh | welterde: we do two pushes per week. if you want to know when the next one happens, ask in #melange. iirc, they are doing one today. |
| 15:11.32 | lh | kblin: good, had to get a new night guard |
| 15:11.37 | welterde | ah ok |
| 15:12.26 | zooko | Argh. I knew I shouldn't have composed a long application text in a web browser. |
| 15:12.31 | zooko | sighs. |
| 15:12.41 | kblin | lh: ah, lost a filling on wednesday evening, got a shiny new one today :) |
| 15:13.05 | welterde | zooko: you should use a wiki for that :) |
| 15:13.18 | lh | kblin: that's good. sorry to hear about the filling loss though. |
| 15:13.36 | zooko | No I should use a real text editor that doesn't lock up and destroy my last fifteen minutes of work. >:-( |
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| 15:14.05 | zooko | I wonder if I could send a signal or something to force konqueror's brain to come back well enough that I can copy my text out... |
| 15:15.03 | welterde | lh: got no time until now to look at the application, hu? |
| 15:15.19 | lh | welterde: possibly in a few minutes |
| 15:15.25 | zooko | Hello mmore. I just described you in my GSoC application, but then my application got eaten by a bug. |
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| 15:15.44 | anothy_x | zooko: gdb? :-/ never tried on konqueror, though; i imagine it's a tangle. |
| 15:15.49 | welterde | woo :) |
| 15:15.51 | pygi | hi |
| 15:16.03 | zooko | antony_x: good idea! Heh. Why don't I just grep its RAM... |
| 15:16.24 | summatusmentis | sandalle: did you guys get your questions answered? |
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| 15:18.01 | mmore | zooko, , hello |
| 15:18.11 | zooko | Hm, it's not so easy. It's memory is located in a zillion places and there doesn't seem to be a convenience in /proc/$PID to let me look at all of it. |
| 15:18.30 | mmore | did you submit your proposal |
| 15:18.53 | welterde | afair there is some program for linux to create a snapshot of a running process or so |
| 15:18.57 | zooko | mmore: not yet. I'm working on it. |
| 15:18.58 | welterde | which you then can restart if you want |
| 15:19.10 | mmore | zooko, can i help you |
| 15:19.33 | zooko | mmore: thanks for the offer! As soon as I have a first draft you could review it for me. |
| 15:20.03 | mmore | zooko, ok , i will be waiting for you |
| 15:20.38 | durin42 | SRabbelier: are you on the mentors list? |
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| 15:22.37 | chx | lh: how many organizations were in 2008? 323 sounds impressive. |
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| 15:23.16 | lh | chx: around 500, but that includes absolute spam apps too |
| 15:23.20 | lh | submits google's application |
| 15:24.08 | chx | lh: I admire you. if i were to be faced with that amount of applications i would run screaming. |
| 15:24.16 | jonnymind|work | Hello; |
| 15:24.25 | lh | chx: thank you dear, i appreciate the kind words. |
| 15:24.38 | anothy_x | how many people help with the evals? |
| 15:24.39 | jonnymind|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:24.49 | brlcad | now there's a funny though, if you innocently denied your own application |
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| 15:25.00 | jonnymind|work | Is there any other step to take? |
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| 15:25.25 | lh | brlcad: eh, it needs to be there as a place holder for alternate applications. :) |
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| 15:30.45 | thebolt | hi lh , finally everything worked, so now i am happy :) (not only that.. but it is part of the reason :) |
| 15:31.08 | jonnymind|work | I mean, the FAQ doesn't make it clear if you just have to fill the application form or if you have also to ping it somewhere. |
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| 15:31.43 | lh | thebolt: rock on! why else are you happy. |
| 15:31.51 | lh | jonnymind|work: pardon? |
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| 15:32.48 | jonnymind|work | lh: once you fill your application form, and you see it on the "needs review" list on the GSOC site, is there any other step you have to take to submit it definitely? |
| 15:33.04 | jonnymind|work | (as an organization) |
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| 15:33.34 | jschauma | How do I let my backup mentor edit my org application? |
| 15:33.37 | lh | jonnymind|work: nope, then it is submitted |
| 15:33.52 | lh | jschauma: only you can edit the org app. your backup admin will later have access to edit your org profile. |
| 15:34.02 | thebolt | lh: you know, oldest story in the book.. ;) boy meets girl etc.. :P |
| 15:34.03 | zooko | Hm... http://forum.kernelnewbies.org/read.php?14,210,210,quote=1 |
| 15:34.04 | lh | jschauma: iirc, someone already filed a bug to let backup admins edit in future iterations |
| 15:34.09 | lh | thebolt: good for you! |
| 15:34.10 | jschauma | I see. Thanks. |
| 15:34.17 | lh | jschauma: np |
| 15:34.40 | jschauma | can I export my app so I can pass it to my backup mentors? |
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| 15:35.14 | lh | jschauma: i don't think so, but you can view it in your org app list and copy and paste |
| 15:35.16 | jonnymind|work | lh; k and thanks :-). I was just afraid being missing something obvious, as usually you got to send a form something or click a "done" button somewhere. |
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| 15:35.37 | hypa7ia | is there any way to save a partially completed application or does it need to be done all in one shot? |
| 15:35.54 | jschauma | Has anybody already filed a bug that I can only have one backup mentor? :-) |
| 15:36.03 | Ivanovic | hypa7ia: no way to save a particial one |
| 15:36.04 | scorche|sh | hypa7ia: you can edit it up until the deadline, however all fields need to be filled iirc |
| 15:36.07 | lh | jonnymind|work: you know, i say the same thing and apparently that's not how things are done anymore these days. i always wait for a nice confirmation message. |
| 15:36.17 | lh | jschauma: unknown. http://code.google.com/soc/issues |
| 15:36.17 | Ivanovic | *but* you can fill all places with "foo" and edit then step by step |
| 15:36.39 | thebolt | lh: maybe.. time will tell :) |
| 15:36.43 | jonnymind|work | lh: :-) we're getting old :-) |
| 15:36.52 | jschauma | The requested URL /soc/issues was not found on this server. |
| 15:37.03 | lh | jonnymind|work: i think i was always old |
| 15:37.11 | lh | jschauma: sorry, here http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues |
| 15:37.36 | jschauma | that works, thx |
| 15:37.55 | lh | google's application submitted! |
| 15:38.02 | straydawg | wow |
| 15:38.12 | straydawg | wonders if google will get in, and what their projects are :) |
| 15:38.23 | russellb | lh: and you were calling everyone else procrastinators on twitter :-p |
| 15:38.35 | Ivanovic | wonders how many slots google might get assigned |
| 15:38.36 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 15:38.38 | Catfish_Man | straydawg: Google has only one idea on their list "get coffee for us" |
| 15:38.43 | Catfish_Man | 67 students will be accepted for it |
| 15:38.46 | lh | russellb: i didn't say i wasn't a procrastinator |
| 15:38.52 | russellb | fair enough. |
| 15:38.55 | lh | straydawg: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#no_org |
| 15:38.55 | Ivanovic | and i wish lh some night with *lots* of sleep after the review stuff is done |
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| 15:39.05 | thebolt | procrastination is good :) |
| 15:39.08 | lh | oh man, if i could get someone to bring me coffee all day. :) |
| 15:39.15 | straydawg | lh: i'd do it |
| 15:39.17 | hypa7ia | o hai russellb! |
| 15:39.20 | Ivanovic | since if every "sincere application" submits as much text as we from wesnoth have done, it will be a hell of a lot to read |
| 15:39.23 | russellb | hypa7ia: !!! |
| 15:39.27 | straydawg | oops, did i accidentally ask/insinuate a faq? |
| 15:39.51 | jschauma | lh: do you have a pgp key? |
| 15:40.10 | straydawg | lh: wow, that's a HIGHLY AWESOME special case you've (?) created there!! (google projects) |
| 15:41.29 | lh | straydawg: thanks. |
| 15:41.33 | lh | jschauma: no. |
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| 15:41.38 | Ivanovic | lh: since you are working on the proposals in a team, will you split up the proposals and everyone does only a subset, or will it be more like "everyone reads every app and rates it"? (as in: will you be drowning when reading the submitted stuff, or do you stand a chance to get free again) |
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| 15:42.18 | jschauma | you should get one. You'd be a good person to have in one's web of trust. |
| 15:42.20 | scorche|sh | Ivanovic: from what i hear, they all get in a room and go over each app together |
| 15:42.24 | jschauma | especially with the mentor summit and all |
| 15:42.38 | Ivanovic | scorche|sh: wow, this is a hell of a lot of work |
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| 15:42.40 | lh | Ivanovic: more like LH preps spreadsheet with recommendations, everyone sits in room and hashes it out |
| 15:42.51 | Ivanovic | i think i might go mad after the first hundred since this takes ages |
| 15:42.53 | lh | jschauma: on my list of things to do |
| 15:43.18 | scorche|sh | Ivanovic: this is part of why lh is so revered =P |
| 15:43.22 | lh | Ivanovic: we're reducing complexity this year. last year it was an all day meeting, didn't finish after 10+ hours and it was generally brutal |
| 15:43.36 | lh | blushes and sits on the free couch |
| 15:43.53 | Ivanovic | lh: i can imagine this being really brutal |
| 15:44.00 | scorche|sh | serves $HotBeverageOfChoice |
| 15:44.17 | haoyu | lh, there's a problem for Chinese GSoCer - appspot.com is blocked right now. Not sure when it will be unblocked. |
| 15:44.27 | lh | haoyu: i heard. |
| 15:44.40 | Ivanovic | getting through the list, rating them all and coming to a decission in only 5 days sounds like *real* hell |
| 15:44.45 | lh | haoyu: so Google cannot advocate circumventing the Great Firewall of China. |
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| 15:44.59 | lh | that being said, we are looking to see if there is a workaround. no guarantees whatsoever. |
| 15:45.01 | lh | all hail jbailey |
| 15:45.04 | Ivanovic | (especially considering how long it took us to wade through "only" the ~30 applications we had at wesnoth last year |
| 15:45.15 | scorche|sh | lh: get the Chinese government on the line - STAT! =P |
| 15:45.17 | scorche|sh | ducks |
| 15:45.34 | danderson | time to break out Google Destruct |
| 15:45.35 | lh | scorche|sh: :p |
| 15:45.37 | Catfish_Man | they'd best be running |
| 15:45.41 | haoyu | lh, sigh |
| 15:45.43 | danderson | "Your friendly nuclear arsenal manager!" |
| 15:46.01 | lh | haoyu: i know, i'm not excited about this either. |
| 15:46.15 | jbailey | lh, Yoyosup? |
| 15:46.20 | scorche|sh | danderson: with a nice google map interface for targeting? |
| 15:46.25 | danderson | scorche|sh: exactly |
| 15:46.36 | danderson | and a "Search, don't sort" approach to your stockpiles |
| 15:46.36 | Catfish_Man | the microsoft version has a clippy-alike |
| 15:47.00 | chx | hmmm clippy alike |
| 15:47.08 | danderson | query: power>10MT is:armed |
| 15:47.11 | lh | jbailey: not much, now are you? :) |
| 15:47.16 | anothy_x | "It looks like you're trying to launch a nuclear weapon..." |
| 15:47.36 | scorche|sh | "Hi! I've noticed that you are trying to launch a transatlantic missile strike. Would you like to..." |
| 15:47.42 | jbailey | lh, Hmm. Is I say yes, does that make me Mister "Right-Now"? |
| 15:47.45 | jbailey | That could be bad. =) |
| 15:47.50 | jbailey | s/Is/If/ |
| 15:47.51 | Ivanovic | hits "do never ask again and just f*** up!!!" |
| 15:47.57 | Ivanovic | damn, where is this button?!? |
| 15:47.59 | chx | like this http://drupal4hu.com/help2.swf ? :D |
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| 15:48.02 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 15:48.26 | danderson | Would you like to: - Initiate Mutual Assured Destruction - Just nuke the Kremlin, red bastards - How about a nice game of chess?" |
| 15:48.38 | scorche|sh | oh no |
| 15:48.50 | Catfish_Man | clicks on "How about a nice game of chess" |
| 15:48.52 | scorche|sh | chx: that is dreadful =P |
| 15:48.58 | danderson | Warning: The only winning move is not to play. Continue?" |
| 15:49.00 | chx | scorche|sh: i know. |
| 15:49.21 | Ivanovic | selects "enter another question" |
| 15:49.39 | scorche|sh | mmmm...wargames... |
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| 15:49.48 | Ivanovic | types: what is the question of all questions which has the answer '42' |
| 15:49.55 | Ivanovic | ha, answer this! |
| 15:50.32 | jbailey | Ivanovic, What's the difference between a duck? |
| 15:50.38 | scorche|sh | Ivanovic: 6x9? |
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| 15:50.46 | danderson | headbangs to Shinedown |
| 15:50.57 | anothy_x | one of its legs are both the same. |
| 15:51.08 | jbailey | anothy_x, =) |
| 15:51.19 | lh | jbailey: it very well might. and how are you? |
| 15:51.27 | jbailey | anothy_x, My wife had never heard that one. I was surprised. =) |
| 15:51.40 | anothy_x | i've only met (IRL) one person who has. |
| 15:51.45 | jbailey | lh, I'm well. We have guests from out of town, so a weekend of fun planned. |
| 15:51.47 | anothy_x | are you a linguistics person, by chance? |
| 15:51.49 | jbailey | lh, You? |
| 15:51.54 | haoyu | lh, I think resolve appspot.com to other IP may solve this |
| 15:52.00 | danderson | warning, I'm about to be rude |
| 15:52.17 | lh | jbailey: awesome! |
| 15:52.18 | danderson | takes a huge crap on Flash, Flash Player, and all who support this vile spawn of satan's gonads |
| 15:52.21 | danderson | that is all. |
| 15:52.28 | lh | haoyu: we're working on doing what we can. |
| 15:52.31 | j-b | hello people ! |
| 15:52.35 | Catfish_Man | danderson: sadly, as3 is actually a rather nice language :( |
| 15:52.36 | Landon | why is there crap on me :\ |
| 15:52.42 | lh | jbailey: reviewing organization apps this weekend, have a friend coming into town sunday night |
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| 15:52.58 | lh | applauds the articulate use of "gonads" |
| 15:53.04 | danderson | Catfish_Man: I don't care, it can die a horrible painful death at the hands of the demonic hordes that spewed it forth unto this earth |
| 15:53.20 | jbailey | lh, Fun. This makes two years in a row I'll miss the org review. Ah well. |
| 15:53.26 | Ivanovic | afk for a while, have fun |
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| 15:54.11 | lh | jbailey: did i not invite you? if you want to come we wouldlove to have you |
| 15:54.13 | lh | Ivanovic: have fun |
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| 15:54.16 | haoyu | lh, someone reported on appengine mailling list that also it can't accessed in Singapore |
| 15:54.21 | icy | I tried to view a org app at http://socghop.appspot.com/org_app/show/google/gsoc2009/. First it required me to log in, which I didn't like but did nevertheless. Now it requires me to create a profile... is this really necessary? |
| 15:54.36 | homunq | 's daughter has no school today, and the bus driver forgot to tell me yesterday, so I took her there and back in taxi. So no hacking today. |
| 15:54.45 | haoyu | lh, hopefully it is not blocked by China but some problem of appengine DNS or something |
| 15:55.05 | lh | icy: what org app are you trying to view? |
| 15:55.15 | lh | icy: and yes sign in is required |
| 15:55.20 | icy | http://socghop.appspot.com/org_app/show/google/gsoc2009/lighttpd |
| 15:55.30 | icy | "Please create User Profile in order to view this page." |
| 15:55.46 | icy | there's a "a" missing too :) |
| 15:55.51 | lh | icy: yes, you need to create a user profile to use the system. and yes it is necessary. |
| 15:55.55 | lh | icy: file a bug perhaps? |
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| 15:56.20 | icy | lh: ok |
| 15:56.22 | anothy_x | if such a page exists (assuming the information is complete), is that a good indication that the project has applied? |
| 15:56.51 | lh | anothy_x: you ought to just ask the project :) |
| 15:57.55 | anothy_x | er, yes... but mostly i'm paranoid about checking my own application. :-) |
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| 15:58.20 | anothy_x | (or whatever the right "slightly embarrassed smile" smiley is) |
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| 16:03.17 | lh | anothy_x: you can do that by clicking on list my organization applications in the left hand nav |
| 16:03.58 | lh | brlcad: thanks for the post on the mentors list. i am sure the developers will greatly appreciate it. |
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| 16:06.18 | brlcad | lh: you're welcome, but you're also included in that list |
| 16:06.24 | brlcad | thank *you* :) |
| 16:06.40 | lh | brlcad: thanks. i'm proud to be working with such an awesome team, |
| 16:06.44 | lh | all hail allman |
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| 16:06.52 | brlcad | I was going to itemize names, but really was worried I'd leave someone out |
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| 16:07.31 | anothy_x | ah, got it, thanks. if it's in "needs review" we're good, yes? |
| 16:07.44 | brlcad | nothing worse than having a list of specific names and not see yours in it when you expect it |
| 16:07.51 | lh | brlcad: agreed. |
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| 16:08.52 | icy | brlcad: true, I always try to avoid creating such lists when I can't be 100% sure that I have included everyone |
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| 16:14.04 | karsten_tor | hey all. how can i be sure that our application as organization has been received? |
| 16:14.35 | karsten_tor | i mean, i filled out all fields in the template, and it's in the "needs review" list. |
| 16:14.39 | lh | karsten_tor: look at list my organization applications in your left hand nav |
| 16:14.45 | lh | if you see it there, it's received |
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| 16:14.57 | karsten_tor | great! |
| 16:15.05 | lh | karsten_tor: what was your organizations link id? i can double check if you like |
| 16:15.14 | karsten_tor | link_id is "eff" |
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| 16:16.08 | anothy_x | good, i'm not the only paranoid one! |
| 16:16.13 | karsten_tor | heh |
| 16:16.24 | onar | heh, same here |
| 16:16.33 | lh | y'all we have a web application that works this year. paranoia - - |
| 16:16.36 | onar | I need a big SUBMIT button |
| 16:16.40 | lh | and i pride myself on my paranoia |
| 16:16.51 | lh | karsten_tor: you're golden |
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| 16:16.56 | karsten_tor | thanks, lh! |
| 16:17.01 | lh | anyone else desperately need to be comforted that their app is in? |
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| 16:17.08 | lh | ask in the next 30 seconds |
| 16:17.10 | onar | lh: could you check sproutcore? |
| 16:17.19 | brlcad | lh: is the 12:00 deadline a hard deadline for preventing edit updates or will those be possible afterwards (like over the weekend before they are read on monday)? |
| 16:17.23 | lh | onar: need org app link id |
| 16:17.27 | bitner | has the new version of socghop been rolled out yet today? I'd like to double check that our application shows line breaks where they should be. |
| 16:17.42 | lh | brlcad: you cannot update your app after that time, but you can update information provided in app in the org profile post acceptance |
| 16:17.56 | brlcad | okay, thanks |
| 16:18.01 | brlcad | updates faster |
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| 16:18.17 | lh | bitner: it has not been rolled out yet. that being said, you can update infomration in your org profile that was provided in your app post acceptance, so i wouldn't worry about this too much for now |
| 16:18.30 | lh | wanders off for a sec |
| 16:18.34 | anothy_x | oh, now you've done it. no, if you say presence in that "needs review" list is sufficient, i have faith. |
| 16:18.53 | yeeen667 | yo |
| 16:18.59 | yeeen667 | hello |
| 16:19.18 | onar | lh: link id is sproutcore |
| 16:20.31 | lh | anothy_x: yep, that's all you need. |
| 16:21.01 | lh | onar: and there you are |
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| 16:21.28 | lh | so if we could all just be calm, feel the love and check out organization application lists for "needs review" status, then we're all golden. :) |
| 16:22.54 | onar | great, thanks |
| 16:23.01 | anothy_x | done and done. sorry for the fretting. |
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| 16:24.07 | lh | anothy_x: all good |
| 16:24.09 | icy | lh: or we could try to get king Midas in here, that would have the same result :) |
| 16:24.15 | lh | onar: yw |
| 16:24.22 | lh | icy: but less comfortable |
| 16:24.33 | lh | imagines trying to stretch when made of gold, seems suboptimal at best |
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| 16:25.21 | anothy_x | hey, at least it's a relatively malleable metal. |
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| 16:25.39 | lh | anothy_x: true. better that than say titanium. |
| 16:25.57 | sfb | lh: Did I read in the backcroll that linebreaks will be fixed before Google reviews our applications? |
| 16:26.23 | sfb | lh: If not I need to rewrite a couple fields that are horrendously ugly without CRLFs. |
| 16:26.32 | lh | sfb: i don't know that it will be or not. i can, however, assure you that we don't care about bad formatting. really. we don't. |
| 16:26.45 | lh | sfb: feel free to do whatever edits you like. |
| 16:28.35 | sfb | lh: K! I'll take your word for it. |
| 16:28.42 | lh | sfb: woot! |
| 16:28.50 | sfb | I'll work on my ideas page instead. (= |
| 16:29.21 | lh | sfb: even better!! |
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| 16:34.59 | PeepOle | 320 users ... cool |
| 16:35.29 | scorche|sh | we are actually behind last year in terms of raw users at this time, but i am confident that we will catch up =) |
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| 16:37.25 | lut4rp | bleah |
| 16:37.31 | PeepOle | lh: How many orgs have applied till now? |
| 16:37.38 | lut4rp | is installing Ubuntu on a weird Compaq machine :/ |
| 16:38.06 | IngoRenner | Hi there, is there any information about how many orgs registered by now? |
| 16:38.34 | anothy_x | lh said 323 about an hour ago. |
| 16:38.52 | lut4rp | 323! |
| 16:38.53 | lut4rp | neat |
| 16:38.59 | lh | PeepOle: 342 now |
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| 16:39.10 | lut4rp | wow? |
| 16:39.16 | lut4rp | that fast? |
| 16:39.19 | icy | last minute rush |
| 16:39.23 | amit8-88 | wow |
| 16:39.31 | danderson | are the applications closed now or what? |
| 16:39.37 | icy | not yet |
| 16:39.39 | lh | open source = procrastination |
| 16:39.39 | anothy_x | i'd love to see the growth graph. :-) |
| 16:39.43 | welterde | in 2.5h i think |
| 16:39.45 | anothy_x | T -2:41. |
| 16:39.45 | IngoRenner | well, we waited till now, to use every second to polish to the best we can ;) |
| 16:39.46 | lh | danderson: in 2.5 hours |
| 16:39.51 | anothy_x | er, 2:21. sorry |
| 16:39.53 | danderson | fails to follow timeline |
| 16:39.57 | danderson | lh: k |
| 16:39.57 | scorche|sh | 2.3333333333333333 hours |
| 16:39.58 | lh | anothy_x: one of these days we can do that |
| 16:40.06 | lut4rp | scorche|sh: lol |
| 16:40.21 | lut4rp | you have bc in your brain? |
| 16:40.21 | lut4rp | :P |
| 16:40.33 | scorche|sh | bc? |
| 16:40.52 | lut4rp | bc the calculator :/ |
| 16:41.05 | icy | scorche|sh: arbitrary precision calculator |
| 16:41.25 | anothy_x | forget vi vs. emacs: dc or bc? |
| 16:41.33 | lut4rp | emacs++ |
| 16:41.37 | lut4rp | :P |
| 16:41.42 | anothy_x | (the answer, of course, is hoc) ;-) |
| 16:41.53 | scorche|sh | ah...the language |
| 16:42.16 | icy | the answer is google! (I use it as my primary calculator) |
| 16:42.36 | scorche|sh | wonders if he should be ashamed that he has never used bc or dc |
| 16:42.41 | lut4rp | no. |
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| 16:42.57 | anothy_x | heh. true. i don't have a good way to stick google's calculator in a pipeline yet, though. |
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| 16:43.28 | scorche|sh | anothy_x: it cant be too hard =P |
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| 16:44.43 | TaoChing | :P |
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| 16:45.31 | anothy_x | oh, now you have me curious. shoot. |
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| 16:47.44 | scorche|sh | well, i know there are a few IRC bots that have the functionality...one could just rip it out of there, make some tweaks, make it nice to interface with over a command line, etc |
| 16:47.46 | devilsadvocate | google calculato ftw |
| 16:48.24 | scorche|sh | maybe i should do that... |
| 16:48.42 | scorche|sh | would need some spare time first |
| 16:48.59 | icy | make it a gsoc project :P |
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| 16:49.36 | lut4rp | phenny FTW |
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| 16:51.58 | TaoChing | Hi. Can mentors be added even after 13th? |
| 16:52.16 | lh | TaoChing: yes |
| 16:52.28 | TaoChing | great |
| 16:52.37 | lh | TaoChing: actually, the 13th of what? you cannot add mentors until your app is accepted. |
| 16:52.52 | scorche|sh | (after the 18th) |
| 16:53.14 | TaoChing | lh: Oh ok. I am a student, not a mentor. Was just asking out of curiosity |
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| 16:53.40 | lh | TaoChing: all good. :) |
| 16:53.44 | russellb | throws 247 more applications to review at lh |
| 16:54.05 | scorche|sh | russellb: dont do that! |
| 16:54.19 | russellb | just joking around ^_^ |
| 16:54.39 | TaoChing | test |
| 16:54.45 | TaoChing | :) |
| 16:54.46 | russellb | It's exciting to hear how many have applied |
| 16:54.56 | lh | russellb: you are a cruel man |
| 16:55.10 | russellb | lh: you rock, i kid. <3 |
| 16:55.17 | lh | russellb: as do i. :) |
| 16:55.26 | icy | how many where there last year? |
| 16:55.38 | lh | icy: around 500, but a lot were spam-a-licious |
| 16:55.42 | lh | this year i dont really see any spam |
| 16:55.49 | homunq | Taoching: at Sugarlabs, we have 11 good mentors lined up (hi scorche|sh), but we have already had nibbles from students who would probably need mentors not on that list. We would bring in new mentors as needed. |
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| 16:56.59 | homunq | russellb: 247 is total number of applications now? |
| 16:57.11 | icy | sugarlabs sounds like the place santa works |
| 16:57.14 | homunq | with negligible spamminess. |
| 16:57.15 | russellb | don't ask me. latest count via twitter was > 300 |
| 16:57.34 | homunq | icy: or willy wonka? |
| 16:58.03 | homunq | ... actually, it's an educational platform. |
| 16:58.05 | icy | or that guy |
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| 16:58.47 | homunq | "almost a million kids in over 40 countries already" |
| 16:58.59 | homunq | we have a long way to go to catch up to santa |
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| 16:59.30 | icy | well, he has that super fast flying ra |
| 16:59.35 | icy | reindeers* |
| 16:59.35 | Lennie | hi |
| 16:59.46 | icy | hi |
| 17:00.15 | homunq | icy: actually, that's just his cover story. He really uses the power of open source. |
| 17:00.27 | homunq | (it's true!) |
| 17:00.35 | codestr0m | in the faq it's stated the mentoring org should explicitly state how many students they need.. where's the most appropriate place to ask that if accepted. the ideas page.. org app or further in the process? |
| 17:00.59 | lh | codestr0m: that happens after your app is accepted |
| 17:01.15 | codestr0m | lh: thank you |
| 17:01.30 | kblin | that's after we have an idea how many decent applications there are, anyway... |
| 17:01.37 | lh | codestr0m: np |
| 17:01.53 | kblin | there's no use in requesting 5 slots if you only got two good student applications |
| 17:02.15 | kblin | that'd waste your time, other project's slots and google's money |
| 17:02.46 | icy | google is worrying about wasted money? j/k |
| 17:03.00 | pygi | icy, ... |
| 17:03.01 | kblin | icy: well, the projects bugdet is limited |
| 17:03.06 | codestr0m | kblin: true.. however I was assuming the opposite that the amount of good apps/ideas exceeds the number of students and asking early is best |
| 17:03.16 | pygi | I got money from google last year by accident, and I returned it icy |
| 17:03.33 | pygi | I think it was only fair to do such thing, even if google won't get rich with it |
| 17:03.44 | scorche|sh | !google |
| 17:03.44 | socinfo | "google" is not the cosmic cash machine people think it is. |
| 17:03.48 | icy | kblin: I know, I know. that's why I've put the "j/k" there :) |
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| 17:03.57 | kblin | codestr0m: well, depends on the project :) |
| 17:03.59 | lh | i <3 google is not the cosmic cash machine |
| 17:04.41 | codestr0m | I think I'm blind possibly.. is there a resource where students can in general post their interests/qualifications so that project leads can ping them |
| 17:04.56 | lh | they can do that in their application codestr0m |
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| 17:05.17 | codestr0m | lh: there's nothing centralized though that's public |
| 17:05.31 | codestr0m | I'm thinking the opposite.. students not knowing which project and we ping them |
| 17:05.51 | lh | codestr0m: what problem are you trying to solve? |
| 17:05.52 | codestr0m | for example a Ph.D student needing a really challenging project |
| 17:06.06 | lh | that's not really targeted |
| 17:06.31 | codestr0m | lh: well. I could break it down into compiler theory, kernel design and solving web scalability solutions |
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| 17:06.50 | codestr0m | or swap kernel stuff with on disk filesystem related things |
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| 17:07.23 | danderson | I'm confused; are you suggesting students should just post resumes and wait to be contacted? |
| 17:07.35 | lh | codestr0m: i am still not clear on what you are trying to solve. students apply to your organization to work on a particular idea or set of ideas. now you are talking about specific projects for your org. but before you talked about wanting to find specific students |
| 17:07.38 | danderson | Thus multiplying the amount of work on the org side by an order of magnitude at least |
| 17:07.39 | codestr0m | danderson: it would be in addition to |
| 17:07.41 | leto | howdy |
| 17:07.42 | danderson | while discouraging initiative? |
| 17:07.46 | lh | codestr0m: danderson said exactly what i said more succinctly |
| 17:07.50 | lh | leto: hi |
| 17:07.50 | codestr0m | danderson: good point |
| 17:08.13 | danderson | imo, if students don't know what they like to do, that's not something reversing the control flow can help with |
| 17:08.43 | Lennie | I like the idea of taking a chance by suggestion your own idea |
| 17:08.49 | lh | agrees with danderson |
| 17:10.08 | summatusmentis | hello all :) |
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| 17:13.05 | leto | the best students seem to know exactly what they want to work on, but many students can benefit from a little push in the right direction |
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| 17:15.11 | mmadia | out of curiousity, how many organizations applied in 2008? the faq page only mentions how many were accepted. |
| 17:15.32 | lh | mmadia: like 500, many spammy apps |
| 17:15.37 | lh | this year there seem to be no spammy apps |
| 17:15.38 | lh | ++ |
| 17:16.27 | mmadia | thank you, lh |
| 17:16.34 | leto | lh: yay for less spam |
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| 17:16.48 | jonnymind|work | and how many organization applied this year? |
| 17:16.56 | scorche|sh | leto: well, that is what the old "hi, i was considering applying to your org, but i am unsure what to work on" in the org IRC channel is for |
| 17:17.07 | scorche|sh | lh: dont make me submit one! |
| 17:17.11 | mmadia | last i heard 340+ |
| 17:17.13 | lh | leto: agreed |
| 17:17.27 | amit8-89 | mmadia: 345 now |
| 17:17.45 | mmadia | and sorry for not scrolling up before asking my question, lh. :P |
| 17:18.06 | scorche|sh | "org app for scorche's awesome super happy fun spammy time project" |
| 17:18.43 | lh | 349 now |
| 17:18.46 | lh | is on a call |
| 17:19.00 | mmadia | is there a rough guestimate of how many of 2008's applications were valid? |
| 17:19.25 | lh | mmadia: not right now |
| 17:19.28 | icy | scorche|sh: super phun thyme? |
| 17:19.33 | icy | I'm in. |
| 17:20.34 | icy | http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/166709/ for anybody who doesn't get it |
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| 17:22.06 | danderson | !odds |
| 17:22.06 | socinfo | "odds" is Odds, chances or probability really do not come into play for GSoC. Rambling off numbers or asking What are the odds of getting accepted... is really quite useless as one's acceptance is not dictated by luck or numbers, but by the quality of your proposal and your skills instead. |
| 17:22.09 | hpatwork | Question... what is the "Public Email Address" part of the Organization Application looking for? |
| 17:22.22 | danderson | if any org is wondering about odds :P |
| 17:22.32 | scorche|sh | danderson: i set that one! =P |
| 17:22.45 | danderson | hpatwork: the email address at which anyone can contact your project for information (ie. students) |
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| 17:23.01 | danderson | can also be a mailing list and such |
| 17:23.10 | lh | hpatwork: answered ub yser's guide in depth documentation i would suggest you read it. :) |
| 17:23.39 | ajuonline | what happens when you try to type when on call. |
| 17:24.01 | lh | ajuonline: you do it poorly |
| 17:24.03 | ajuonline | distributes chocolates |
| 17:24.17 | hpatwork | lh: Thx |
| 17:24.25 | ajuonline | yeah right :D |
| 17:24.35 | ajuonline | lh: how are you doing? must be busy? ;) |
| 17:24.58 | lh | ajuonline: a bit yes |
| 17:25.01 | lh | hpatwork: no worries. |
| 17:25.12 | lh | hpatwork: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide |
| 17:25.20 | hpatwork | lh: Got it, thanks. |
| 17:25.44 | sandalle | summatusmentis: Yes we did, thank you. :) The W-9 is not due with the application and it may be an individual. :) |
| 17:25.55 | summatusmentis | sandalle: good, I'm glad |
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| 17:27.20 | summatusmentis | ~tiemline |
| 17:27.24 | summatusmentis | wow... spelling |
| 17:27.29 | summatusmentis | ~timeline |
| 17:27.35 | Catfish_Man | !timeline |
| 17:27.35 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline, or (#2) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 17:27.44 | summatusmentis | oh, socinfo is back? |
| 17:27.54 | scorche|sh | \o/ |
| 17:28.13 | summatusmentis | those are both the same link |
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| 17:29.10 | icy | summatusmentis: as long as there is an "or" and not a "xor, it's fine :) |
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| 17:29.24 | Catfish_Man | heh |
| 17:29.31 | summatusmentis | icy: :-D |
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| 17:29.48 | summatusmentis | I assume the second is there for redundancy |
| 17:29.57 | summatusmentis | in case the first one goes down >_ |
| 17:30.00 | Catfish_Man | don't worry, the compiler will optimize it out |
| 17:30.01 | summatusmentis | >_> ** |
| 17:30.35 | icy | hehe |
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| 17:31.39 | icy | !version |
| 17:31.40 | socinfo | The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.1+darcs. The newest version available online is 0.83.3. |
| 17:32.03 | summatusmentis | why'd we go back to socinfo instead of ibot? |
| 17:32.26 | lh | summatusmentis: we have both. why have one when you can have both? |
| 17:32.49 | summatusmentis | I thought the decision was made that they were providing redundant services? |
| 17:32.58 | summatusmentis | and thus, socinfo went away for a while |
| 17:33.00 | GabeS | summatusmentis: we get greater keyboard coverage with both ~ and ! |
| 17:33.05 | danderson | summatusmentis: ibot provides a global namespace full of irrelevant info |
| 17:33.06 | lh | summatusmentis: it was later determined they were not. a little redundancy never hurt anyone. |
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| 17:33.13 | summatusmentis | oh |
| 17:33.18 | danderson | when it finally pissed me off enough, I put one with proper, domain-specific info back |
| 17:33.19 | summatusmentis | I don't care that much, just curious :) |
| 17:33.23 | hpatwork | lh: okay, this doesn't seem to be in the guide... what is the best way to handle a project which uses multiple licenses? |
| 17:33.48 | lh | hpatwork: pick the one you use the most |
| 17:34.08 | wsfulton | hi, in my application I've used my own personal linkid for the linkid. Is this id meant to be the id for the project? If so, how can I change it or should I just delete the application and submit a new one? |
| 17:34.21 | Sylvestre | btw, the Cecill license (which is compatible with the GPL) is not listed ... I selected GPL |
| 17:34.24 | Sylvestre | is it an issue ? |
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| 17:36.12 | lh | hpatwork: put the other licenses in a text field. you can add more information to your organization profile later |
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| 17:37.55 | lh | wsfulton: that is supposed to be a different link id than your personal link id. as for whether it can be changed, please ask for help in #melange. no guarantees |
| 17:38.06 | MatthewWilkes | conference call with 3 americans = hard to understand |
| 17:38.35 | Landon | I'm sure its reciprocated :P |
| 17:38.50 | summatusmentis | MatthewWilkes: really? american accents are hard to understand? |
| 17:38.54 | Landon | doesn't do well with phones in the first place |
| 17:38.57 | wsfulton | lh, yup kind of worked it out after I saved, will chat #melange. Thanks. |
| 17:39.10 | Landon | I need text |
| 17:39.17 | Landon | and backlog |
| 17:39.20 | summatusmentis | Landon: I hate using the phone |
| 17:39.29 | haoyu | lh, wsfulton's problem seems a known issue here: http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=232 |
| 17:39.29 | Landon | otherwise you might be able to slip something pastme! |
| 17:39.38 | lh | haoyu: thanks. :) |
| 17:39.42 | lh | wsfulton: thanks |
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| 17:40.06 | haoyu | and seems kblin have the same problem and deleted his wrong application and submited a new one |
| 17:40.10 | mikv_ | I am just curious |
| 17:40.28 | mikv_ | what happenedwith Ubuntu last year? |
| 17:42.34 | summatusmentis | mikv_: what do you mean? |
| 17:43.22 | mikv_ | summatusmentis: they didn't participated in GSoC 2008. |
| 17:43.28 | haoyu | summatusmentis, seems ubuntu not on the list of 2008 gsoc orgs |
| 17:43.28 | summatusmentis | did they apply? |
| 17:43.57 | lh | no, they did not. |
| 17:44.02 | MatthewWilkes | summatusmentis: It's hard when you can't tell the people apart, and you don't get all the words, you lose context quite often |
| 17:44.22 | MatthewWilkes | I feel as tired after a 45 minute call now than I do after a comparable conversation in a foreign language |
| 17:44.42 | summatusmentis | MatthewWilkes: are the accents really that similar that you can't tell them apart? |
| 17:44.59 | mikv_ | summatusmentis: i don't know. really. They've participated in 05, 06 and 07. |
| 17:45.03 | kblin | huh?? |
| 17:45.11 | MatthewWilkes | summatusmentis: as an outsider, yes |
| 17:45.18 | kblin | haoyu: I did what? |
| 17:45.26 | summatusmentis | mikv_: I would guess they didn't apply, but I don't actually know |
| 17:45.28 | lh | mikv_: and chose not to apply in 2008. if you'd like more details, ask them. |
| 17:45.40 | summatusmentis | MatthewWilkes: huh, I didn't realize that. |
| 17:45.49 | summatusmentis | lh: oh, you answered my question, and I missed it :) |
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| 17:46.01 | summatusmentis | MatthewWilkes: you're from the UK? |
| 17:46.14 | MatthewWilkes | summatusmentis: Yep |
| 17:46.33 | summatusmentis | interesting. Were they all from the same area? |
| 17:46.39 | MatthewWilkes | I can tell some apart, but only extremes |
| 17:46.46 | haoyu | kblin, oh.. you deleted the wrong org app with link_id kblin and created a new one? |
| 17:47.11 | MatthewWilkes | summatusmentis: No, Boulder CA, Pennsylvania and Indianapolis |
| 17:47.46 | mikv_ | lh: thanks. I hope they will apply this time |
| 17:47.52 | summatusmentis | MatthewWilkes: oh, huh. Intersting. I like the concepts of languages :) |
| 17:47.52 | kblin | haoyu: what gave you that impression? |
| 17:48.05 | summatusmentis | or, languages interacting with each other |
| 17:48.12 | summatusmentis | or whatever, I'm not making sense |
| 17:48.22 | haoyu | kblin, this issue: http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=232 |
| 17:48.44 | kblin | haoyu: well, during testing, right |
| 17:48.50 | kblin | forgot about that |
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| 17:49.32 | haoyu | kblin, well, is that still the solution for this issue now? |
| 17:50.27 | kblin | I never deleted any app myself, it disappeared due to another bug |
| 17:50.32 | hpatwork | OK, we haven't used a template in the past. Anyone has any templates they have had success with in the past? |
| 17:50.44 | hpatwork | would like to not have to reinvent the wheel. |
| 17:50.46 | zooko | Boulder, CA? Or Boulder, CO? |
| 17:50.48 | lh | hpatwork: have you been a mentoring org before? |
| 17:50.54 | hpatwork | lh: Yes |
| 17:50.56 | lh | s/a/part of a |
| 17:51.09 | lh | hpatwork: well, several template suggestions have been sent to the mentors mailing list. try there. :) |
| 17:51.24 | lh | oh for crying out loud |
| 17:51.26 | lh | hi peter |
| 17:51.36 | lh | makes note hpa = hpatwork |
| 17:51.37 | hpatwork | LOL :) |
| 17:51.54 | kblin | hehe |
| 17:52.01 | ajuonline | hpatwork: yo! |
| 17:52.03 | kblin | anyway, off fot dinner |
| 17:52.08 | kblin | s/fot/for/ |
| 17:52.20 | hpatwork | ajuonline: alo :) |
| 17:52.20 | ajuonline | hpatwork: how are you doing? |
| 17:52.30 | zooko | tries to recover his GSoC org application from the memory of his stuck konqueror process. |
| 17:52.55 | djbclark | so the saved apps are just auto-submitted in about 8 minutes? |
| 17:52.58 | hpatwork | Having a very stressful week, so I'm trying to wrap up GSoC org applications at the last minute |
| 17:53.08 | ajuonline | hpatwork: syslinux? |
| 17:53.20 | hpatwork | Syslinux, and I was hoping to get NASM into GSoC as well. |
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| 17:53.34 | hpatwork | The problem with NASM is that we had a death in the development community last month :( |
| 17:53.35 | ajuonline | hpatwork: kool! :) good luck busy man :D |
| 17:53.43 | lh | hpatwork: sorry to hear this week has been less than thrilling for you |
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| 17:54.02 | hpatwork | The #2 contributor (after me) unexpectedly passed away four weeks ago |
| 17:54.11 | ajuonline | thats sad to know |
| 17:54.15 | lh | that is very not good. |
| 17:54.26 | zooko | Hello HPA. I'm sorry to hear that. |
| 17:54.28 | hpatwork | lh: Being architecture maintainter in the Linux kernel will make things busy |
| 17:54.39 | zooko | You and I sat next together for dinner in Palo Alto once. |
| 17:54.42 | lh | hpatwork: true that. :) |
| 17:54.48 | St^Ack_ | Can anyone help me figure how to sign up as an apache mentor? (thanks) |
| 17:55.00 | summatusmentis | St^Ack_: talk to apache? |
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| 17:55.34 | St^Ack_ | ain't sure who... they have a web page but its all about 2008 seemingly |
| 17:55.48 | St^Ack_ | It talks of mentor needing to check boxes in the gsoc app |
| 17:55.57 | St^Ack_ | I can't figure where those doohickeys live |
| 17:57.20 | lh | St^Ack_: you can't do that until an org is accepted anyway for 2009. to find the asf for this year, have you asked in their irc channel? |
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| 17:59.01 | hpatwork | likes the Blender template, and rips it. |
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| 18:00.37 | St^Ack_ | lh: ok. that helps. i'll try the asf channel. thanks for the help |
| 18:00.48 | ecin | Down to last hour for applications. |
| 18:00.50 | zooko | Does anyone know how to grep all the memory of a linux process? I've stopped it with kill -SIGSTOP and I've attached to it with gdb, but what I want is for /proc/$PID/mem (or something) to give me quick and easy access to all the memory that might have my GSoC app in it. |
| 18:01.10 | jonnymind|work | How many slots are available this year? |
| 18:01.17 | maruel | !faq |
| 18:01.18 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 18:01.19 | lh | jonnymind|work: that's answered in the FAQ |
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| 18:02.08 | danderson | zooko: grab memdump off the net, dump a copy of physical ram with it, use 'strings' to extract all ascii blobs bigger than N bytes |
| 18:02.12 | danderson | then grep for words |
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| 18:02.18 | danderson | and hope nothing recycled those pages yet |
| 18:02.29 | zooko | danderson: thanks! |
| 18:02.51 | zooko | Maybe I'll try just memdumping the ranges mentioned in /proc/$PID/smaps first... |
| 18:03.09 | danderson | (yes, I have already recovered form data from a crashed firefox this way) |
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| 18:03.31 | ajuonline | Lennie: good day! :) |
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| 18:03.45 | jonnymind|work | OIC, thanks |
| 18:04.46 | Lennie | hi ajuonline |
| 18:05.45 | codestr0m | for "What is the application template you would like contributors to your organization to use." I modeled after fbsd and referenced and external doc.. is that acceptable or possibly annoying for app reviewers? |
| 18:05.56 | codestr0m | an external* |
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| 18:06.21 | lh | codestr0m: it's fine |
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| 18:06.42 | zooko | Is it okay if I don't provide an application template? |
| 18:06.57 | zooko | Or, that is, one with a big open space and single question mark at the top? |
| 18:07.50 | codestr0m | zooko: you could possible look at what other orgs are doing and try to as closely as it relates to your org model after that |
| 18:08.00 | zooko | That's a good idea. |
| 18:08.03 | zooko | I'm running out of time. :-/ |
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| 18:08.10 | zooko | Hiya, codestr0m. |
| 18:08.49 | zooko | danderson: is it a bad sign if memdump causes your system to stop responding? |
| 18:09.15 | danderson | zooko: never had that symptom :( |
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| 18:10.21 | zooko | Wow, it doesn't even ping. I killed it. |
| 18:10.37 | zooko | Okay I guess it is really time to start rewriting my GSoC app. Using an actual Text Editor this time!@ |
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| 18:13.02 | djbclark | codestr0m: only other org I found via a google search had "TBD" there. I just put something there in paragraph style asking for a short essay pretty much. I can send you a link if you want to see a full probable-suck total-newbie application :) |
| 18:13.28 | djbclark | zooko: Isn't the deadline past now? |
| 18:13.31 | codestr0m | djbclark: I'll copy / paste our app and let others take a look as an example |
| 18:13.43 | codestr0m | also reference http://wiki.freebsd.org/SummerOfCode2009Application |
| 18:13.48 | zooko | djbclark: I hope not. (And I think not. UTC 19:00) |
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| 18:14.14 | djbclark | ah I think I'm off-by-one due to DST in my head... thaks |
| 18:14.16 | icy | 45min left |
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| 18:18.32 | durin42 | lh: ping? |
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| 18:18.48 | r0bby | dances |
| 18:19.17 | lh | durin42: pong |
| 18:19.43 | durin42 | lh: it looks like the "real" org admin for Mercurial isn't going to make the application deadline, should I fill something out as best I can for him? |
| 18:19.53 | durin42 | He had misunderstood what save meant and lost all his work earlier |
| 18:20.07 | lh | durin42: yes go for it. |
| 18:20.07 | durin42 | (he thought save would save his draft, even if he was missing fields) |
| 18:20.18 | lh | durin42: eep! yes, get something in |
| 18:20.21 | pygi | durin42, shouldn't it do that? xD |
| 18:20.40 | ajuonline | pygi: did you start watching Heroes yet? |
| 18:20.41 | durin42 | lh: what should I put for "public email" for the org? me? |
| 18:20.53 | durin42 | lh: or the dev list for hg? |
| 18:21.00 | pygi | ajuonline, no, but I think I scored 100% on my Computer Networks today :p |
| 18:21.02 | brlcad | had the same question |
| 18:21.03 | pygi | waiting for results :D |
| 18:21.10 | lh | durin42: what do they want there? i would put in dev list personally. that's where people go to ask questions about participating. |
| 18:21.15 | durin42 | ok |
| 18:21.15 | brlcad | (ended up putting dev-list) |
| 18:21.26 | lh | makes note to make the wording of this more clear |
| 18:21.27 | pygi | ajuonline, does that counts? :D |
| 18:21.35 | lh | goes to get a coffee |
| 18:21.44 | lh | all this excitement requires caffeine |
| 18:21.44 | pygi | lh, ... |
| 18:21.47 | pygi | cocoa! |
| 18:21.49 | pygi | cocoa kid! |
| 18:21.51 | lh | i want coffee! |
| 18:21.55 | pygi | cocoa! |
| 18:21.58 | pygi | I'm not giving you coffee! |
| 18:22.08 | ajuonline | i bought a large pack of coffee powder today, |
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| 18:22.17 | ajuonline | forgot to get milk tho |
| 18:22.26 | ajuonline | hands over some to lh |
| 18:22.47 | pygi | ajuonline, you peasant! |
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| 18:22.51 | pygi | stop going against me all the time! |
| 18:22.51 | pygi | :D |
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| 18:22.57 | ajuonline | ;) |
| 18:23.54 | Jeff_S | coffee... powder? =/ |
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| 18:24.17 | pygi | Jeff_S, yes, you tell him :D |
| 18:24.39 | ajuonline | what else do you call it :/ |
| 18:25.16 | Jeff_S | ajuonline: not sure what you're talking about. grounds? |
| 18:25.30 | Jeff_S | I assume instant could be called "powder" |
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| 18:26.13 | ajuonline | yeah, Instant Coffee |
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| 18:29.36 | akhilhandoo | hi, could anybody help me out on how to get started with GSoc. |
| 18:29.36 | akhilhandoo | i am a newbie. |
| 18:29.48 | brlcad | ~gsocfaq |
| 18:29.49 | ibot | rumour has it, gsocfaq is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 18:30.00 | brlcad | akhilhandoo: read it, learn it, love it |
| 18:30.02 | lh | T-30 minutes and counting |
| 18:30.13 | brlcad | lh: current application count? |
| 18:30.15 | durin42 | lh: djc showed up, so no more crisis :) |
| 18:30.18 | lh | akhilhandoo: there is a link to the program wiki in the FAQ with an entire advice for students page |
| 18:30.20 | ajuonline | we should have some music playing in the background |
| 18:30.22 | lh | brlcad: checking |
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| 18:30.41 | lh | 369 |
| 18:30.49 | brlcad | cool |
| 18:30.56 | Ivanovic | sits back and watches the minuites pass by |
| 18:31.14 | akhilhandoo | thanx ppl |
| 18:31.21 | ajuonline | ^5's Ivanovic |
| 18:31.30 | lh | akhilhandoo: yw. good luck. |
| 18:31.36 | brlcad | lh: I'd expect with a new system that there should be nearly no spam applications this year? |
| 18:31.38 | kloeri | puts down his number 2 pencil and stops updating his application |
| 18:31.46 | lh | brlcad: precisely correct. |
| 18:32.33 | codestr0m | kloeri: you should ping some of the other exherbo people @freenode and ask them pretty please to make a gsoc group host mask |
| 18:32.34 | brlcad | need me to get some folks to whip some up for you? |
| 18:32.37 | codestr0m | hides |
| 18:32.37 | solydzajs | brlcad: thank you for your kind email regarding Melange :-) |
| 18:32.45 | brlcad | solydzajs: thank you! |
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| 18:32.49 | brlcad | hugs solydzajs |
| 18:32.51 | Raim | brlcad: I would still expect "spam" from students |
| 18:33.05 | solydzajs | brlcad: there is still lots todo but we are slowly progressing :-) |
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| 18:33.19 | brlcad | indeed, but it's already clear that the framework itself is a lot more workable |
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| 18:33.20 | ajuonline | what is an example spam application by an org/student? |
| 18:33.23 | Ivanovic | 369 sounds quite good to me |
| 18:33.36 | kloeri | codestr0m: I should? ;) |
| 18:33.41 | ajuonline | 3 * 1 , 3*2, 3*3 |
| 18:33.44 | Ivanovic | that is: considering some of them as "broken" or "spam" application, it is still well above 300 applications |
| 18:33.52 | brlcad | sounds like too many .. you want to accept all the good ones |
| 18:33.54 | codestr0m | kloeri: christel or I can think of a few others.. they can make things happen |
| 18:33.56 | Raim | ajuonline: we some poorly formatted applications last year which were not related to our project at all |
| 18:33.58 | dberkholz | ajuonline: something like your project idea pasted directly into an application and submitted |
| 18:34.01 | brlcad | when they're all good and you can only accept not even half of them... |
| 18:34.03 | brlcad | that sucks :) |
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| 18:34.30 | dberkholz | i prefer being able to choose from all awesome ideas over having extra slots i can't do anything useful with |
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| 18:34.45 | brlcad | thinks it'd be interesting to cut everyone's slot count by 1/3 to increase the org count |
| 18:34.51 | brlcad | is probably evil |
| 18:35.04 | ajuonline | mutes brlcad |
| 18:35.05 | DrJoel | ajuonline: we had some applications last year that were not vaguely related to our project and from what i could tell the same person submitted it to lots of projects .. that's spam |
| 18:35.06 | ajuonline | :D |
| 18:35.09 | Raim | dberkholz: I explicitly put a note about copy&paste in the template this year, hoping students will respect this |
| 18:35.11 | lh | ajuonline: will tell you in a sec |
| 18:35.28 | lh | brlcad: people will be getting fewer slots this year. we are only taking 1K students. it's inevitable. |
| 18:35.29 | dberkholz | brlcad: that would have a disproportionate effect on medium-size orgs, methinks |
| 18:35.37 | harlan | can org forms be updated/changed after noon today (PT)? |
| 18:35.38 | ajuonline | nobody noticed the digits? 3*1-3*2-3*3 ? |
| 18:35.41 | harlan | PxT |
| 18:35.50 | dberkholz | brlcad: small ones continue to get 1-2 slots (no such thing as 2/3 of a student, etc.) |
| 18:36.07 | brlcad | dberkholz: yep |
| 18:36.07 | Lennie | harlan, unless you get accepted you wont be able to update any relevant information |
| 18:36.14 | akhilhandoo | do i have to apply to the mentoring org & google separately ? |
| 18:36.27 | ajuonline | akhilhandoo: FAQ , read up :) |
| 18:36.28 | harlan | Understood - but if we get lucky, can we make changes? |
| 18:36.35 | codestr0m | wonders where to send the W9 |
| 18:36.41 | Lennie | harlan, yes to everything that is still relevant :) |
| 18:36.54 | harlan | cool, thanks! |
| 18:36.56 | lh | harlan: the application cannot, but you can edit all the information submitted in your organization profile post acceptance |
| 18:37.05 | brlcad | not to get political, but probably a form of affirmative action to bias towards smaller orgs, increased breadth over depth |
| 18:37.13 | brlcad | not saying it'd be good, just interesting.. :) |
| 18:37.14 | harlan | that will do it (if we get lucky), thanks! |
| 18:37.15 | Raim | akhilhandoo: no, it's only one application to the org, but over the google soc site |
| 18:37.22 | dberkholz | depends on what you're trying to do |
| 18:37.32 | dberkholz | smaller ones may not have enough mentoring experience to do well with a full-time student |
| 18:37.35 | lh | brlcad: we're going to do our best to allocate slots in a reasonable way. bigger orgs will see the biggest hit i think. |
| 18:37.36 | brlcad | dberkholz: sure |
| 18:38.04 | akhilhandoo | so, i just need to apply through the google web app, provided for the purpose. No other application |
| 18:38.06 | brlcad | lh: oh, I'm not worried -- you'll do a great job like you always do, no matter how it's diced |
| 18:38.07 | Ivanovic | brlcad: the question is, what is a "bigger org" and what a smaller? |
| 18:38.20 | Ivanovic | lh: we know that you will do a really good job |
| 18:38.25 | Raim | lh: but it will be the same procedure as last year? orgs request slots, then google assigns them? |
| 18:39.12 | brlcad | Ivanovic: arguably however it's defined, the orgs that get rejected are often (albeit not always) "smaller" .. assuming you cull out those that are kicked for past behavior/performance/politics/etc |
| 18:39.51 | dberkholz | brlcad: i feel like mid-size orgs have the most to gain relative to the risk of having them. new devs would be probably have a lot bigger impact for them |
| 18:39.54 | lh | brlcad, Ivanovic: thanks for the vote of confidence. :) |
| 18:40.03 | lh | Raim: that's correct |
| 18:40.04 | twanj | last year, orgs listed mentors on their application. this year we don't need the mentors signed up until 4/15? |
| 18:40.22 | lh | twanj: they can sign up as soon as their org's app is accepted |
| 18:40.29 | Ivanovic | twanj: from the form it is not needed |
| 18:40.35 | brlcad | dberkholz: likewise, I guess that's sort of what I mean by "smaller" .. still big enough to be perfectly managed well but nowhere near the likes of the huge projects |
| 18:40.42 | cjhopman | ~timeline |
| 18:40.49 | twanj | lh: thanks! |
| 18:40.54 | dberkholz | brlcad: ah. when i say small, i mean 1, maybe 2 active devs. |
| 18:41.05 | lh | twanj: np. |
| 18:41.07 | Ivanovic | (that is for wesnoth, us being a medium sized org, we listed our "we want to be mentors" in the application because it shows what our decissions in this area are based on |
| 18:41.08 | brlcad | ah yeah, that gets really risky |
| 18:41.24 | dberkholz | once you've got ~5 you're at a good spot |
| 18:41.25 | Ivanovic | something impossible for an org with ~20 mentors, but working well for us |
| 18:41.43 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Did you see "The Done Manifesto" the other day, by the way? Reminded me of you in gsd mode |
| 18:41.45 | brlcad | dberkholz: I'm thinking many of the 100+ that get rejected have teams that are in the 5-10 devs range, but are still cut just due to how the competition sorts out |
| 18:42.28 | dberkholz | i wonder whether more time should be spent working with the rejected orgs. perhaps the accepted orgs could somehow "mentor" them? |
| 18:42.30 | lh | MatthewWilkes: no - link? |
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| 18:42.50 | lh | dberkholz: i think i have an idea about that, will have another update later |
| 18:42.51 | brlcad | so like if you capped orgs at 25 slots max (*entirely* hypothetical), and redistributed those that would have gone over to new orgs in the 5-10 range |
| 18:43.11 | brlcad | dberkholz: oh neat idea! |
| 18:43.13 | ajuonline | assumptions! |
| 18:43.15 | brlcad | orgs mentoring orgs.. |
| 18:43.20 | Crofton|work | quick question, do I receive an email confirming my submission? |
| 18:43.28 | Lennie | Crofton|work no |
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| 18:43.31 | Crofton|work | good :) |
| 18:43.34 | lh | Crofton|work: no, but you can check your application list |
| 18:43.40 | Lennie | Crofton|work, you will get one if you are accepted or rejected :) |
| 18:43.40 | MatthewWilkes | lh: http://www.brepettis.com/blog/2009/3/3/the-cult-of-done-manifesto.html - #11 is my favourite |
| 18:43.40 | Crofton|work | I did that |
| 18:43.43 | Crofton|work | looks lok |
| 18:43.44 | lh | if you see your app under list my organization applications, it is submitted |
| 18:43.45 | zooko | I don't have my backup admin's Link ID yet. Maybe I'll submit it with a bogus value such as my own Link ID in that slot. |
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| 18:43.51 | dberkholz | brlcad: i feel like that's the way the gsoc mentoring wiki is headed, although a more personal relationship would help more |
| 18:43.53 | brlcad | that would be a karma/honor/merit based system, interesting |
| 18:43.56 | Crofton|work | the read link did not have all of the app though |
| 18:43.59 | akhilhandoo | anybody from the ArgoUML team over here ? |
| 18:44.02 | lh | dberkholz: :) yep yep |
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| 18:44.22 | lh | MatthewWilkes: i love #4 |
| 18:44.33 | dberkholz | perhaps you could "buy" extra slots by mentoring a rejected org |
| 18:44.34 | twanj | btw, if you care, there's a typo on the timeline at http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs "All mentors must BE? signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor; " |
| 18:44.35 | tfmorri1 | akhil: Argo here |
| 18:44.37 | ajuonline | akhilhandoo: they should be in their IRC channel, in case they have one. |
| 18:44.46 | Ivanovic | zooko: leave it out |
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| 18:44.51 | dberkholz | thinks out loud |
| 18:44.53 | zooko | Ivanovic: ok |
| 18:44.54 | Ivanovic | zooko: if you are accepted you can still add it |
| 18:44.54 | Lennie | Crofton|work, that's okay. All data is there |
| 18:45.11 | Crofton|work | thanks, it is our first application |
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| 18:45.30 | harlan | I have a backup group admin but cannot easily ask him to register until I fix a problem with cygwin/X on my laptop. Is this a problem? |
| 18:45.56 | Lennie | harlan, no this is not a problem |
| 18:46.01 | harlan | OK, thanks Lennie |
| 18:46.06 | Lennie | harlan: You will be able to invite extra admins once you have been accepted |
| 18:46.27 | lh | MatthewWilkes: you on twitter? |
| 18:46.27 | dberkholz | lh: looking forward to your update! |
| 18:46.37 | lh | dberkholz: and me to writing it |
| 18:46.41 | MatthewWilkes | lh: I am, @matthewwilkes |
| 18:46.53 | harlan | got it = thanks again, Lenni! |
| 18:46.58 | Lennie | yw harlan |
| 18:46.59 | harlan | so much for this keyboard... |
| 18:47.07 | ajuonline | lol MatthewWilkes , red nose! ? |
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| 18:47.39 | MatthewWilkes | Red Nose Day is one of the biggest charity events in the UK, and it's today |
| 18:47.53 | lh | red nose day rocks dude |
| 18:48.02 | Catfish_Man | it's also hug an engineer day |
| 18:48.03 | Lennie | what is it for? |
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| 18:48.06 | Catfish_Man | and the day before pi day |
| 18:48.08 | Goundy | Hello. |
| 18:48.15 | Catfish_Man | hi Goundy |
| 18:48.19 | Goundy | Hi Catfish_Man :-) |
| 18:48.22 | lh | ajuonline: a spam app is one where the org is not open source and for their ideas list they put in things like "we don't have one" |
| 18:48.42 | zooko | Yay! I submitted my application! |
| 18:48.44 | Goundy | That year I'll participate to gsoc \o/ |
| 18:48.45 | MatthewWilkes | Lennie: It's poverty relief in the UK and Africa |
| 18:48.52 | Goundy | Last year I canceled my application :( |
| 18:48.55 | Lennie | MatthewWilkes: ok thanks :) |
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| 18:49.07 | MatthewWilkes | Lennie: Drinking water, famine relief, homeless shelters, etc |
| 18:49.24 | Lennie | k |
| 18:49.33 | MatthewWilkes | Lennie: It gets pretty much all the country's celebrities making fools of themselves on TV to raise money, too |
| 18:49.38 | ajuonline | lh: are people *that* dumb as well? |
| 18:50.06 | Lennie | ajuonline, the world is full of them tbh |
| 18:50.13 | lh | ajuonline: dumb is a harsh word. lacking in knowledge? |
| 18:50.15 | MatthewWilkes | http://www.rednoseday.com/change_lives/where_your_money_goes |
| 18:50.15 | Lennie | MatthewWilkes, cool ^_^ |
| 18:50.16 | ajuonline | Lennie: hmmm, i had a dumb gf. |
| 18:50.19 | lh | ajuonline: that's not the worst of it. |
| 18:50.20 | manus_eiffel | Out of curiosity, should I be refreshing the google page for when you put the list or mentoring organizations on Wednesday aroung noon, or should I simply relax and wait for the email? |
| 18:50.21 | lh | really. |
| 18:50.30 | Goundy | Someone knows when the selected mentors are going to be published ? :-) |
| 18:50.30 | lh | you see some real, um, moments in these applications |
| 18:50.35 | Lennie | manus_eiffel, wait for email :D |
| 18:50.35 | ajuonline | lh: i can feel your pain |
| 18:50.37 | dberkholz | harlan: hey there. here's that post on problems w/ ntp on clusters that i mentioned to you at the summit: http://www.beowulf.org/archive/2008-September/023316.html |
| 18:50.51 | DrJoel | any vlc folks on here? |
| 18:50.54 | dberkholz | harlan: i'm not terribly interested in the discussion, but i wanted to point you at the criticism. =) |
| 18:50.55 | lh | Goundy: see the timeline |
| 18:50.57 | lh | ~timeline |
| 18:51.03 | lh | !timeline |
| 18:51.03 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline, or (#2) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 18:51.04 | Goundy | lh yea indeed |
| 18:51.09 | lh | there you go |
| 18:51.11 | Goundy | thanks lh ;) |
| 18:51.22 | lh | Goundy: all good, check out the faqs while you are on the site |
| 18:51.34 | r0bby | lh: you win =) |
| 18:51.36 | manus_eiffel | lh: hopefully it will arrive before noon, otherwise I know what I'll be doing |
| 18:51.46 | Goundy | lh yes awesome :-) |
| 18:51.48 | lh | manus_eiffel: i dont follow sorry |
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| 18:52.09 | manus_eiffel | lh: I mean that I'll be refreshing the google page every seconds |
| 18:53.28 | lh | manus_eiffel: ah gotcha. |
| 18:54.04 | manus_eiffel | how many registration so far? and do you have an idea on how many you will keep? |
| 18:54.41 | lh | manus_eiffel: about 150 orgs this year |
| 18:54.44 | lh | and 381 so far |
| 18:54.59 | lh | make that 382 |
| 18:55.05 | Ivanovic | last year about 170 orgs were in, right? |
| 18:55.11 | lh | Ivanovic: 175. |
| 18:55.17 | lh | yay crappy economy. |
| 18:55.25 | Ivanovic | yeah |
| 18:55.25 | icy | pretty good chance to be accepted |
| 18:55.37 | manus_eiffel | I've already got someone interested in one of our project. Regardless of our selection or not, I hope he will contribute |
| 18:55.45 | Ivanovic | sees the results of the "bank crysis" at the openpandora project |
| 18:55.47 | MatthewWilkes | ~odds |
| 18:55.48 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, odds is Applications are judged based on a number of different criteria relating to the skill and work of the applicant. There are no such thing as odds when skill is involved! ;) |
| 18:55.49 | icy | (I know it has nothing to do with luck but you can still calculate chances) |
| 18:55.51 | MatthewWilkes | icy: ^^^ |
| 18:55.54 | MatthewWilkes | :) |
| 18:56.09 | Ivanovic | when they had preorders open the bank shortly after shut down their accounts because too much money came in |
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| 18:56.24 | Ivanovic | they would not have been this over sensitive without the "bank crysis" |
| 18:56.37 | manus_eiffel | I've already got someone interested in one of our project. Regardless of our selection or not, I hope he will contribute as we are ready to mentor him or others in any case. |
| 18:56.58 | icy | MatthewWilkes: odds != chances :) |
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| 18:57.06 | lh | manus_eiffel: that's always the hope. :) |
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| 18:57.14 | DrJoel | i'm chatting with a student now who is very interested in one of our projects |
| 18:57.48 | DrJoel | and we are trying to finish a pre-configured Fedora 10 vmware image with our cross development environment and simulators so students have one less battle |
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| 18:58.43 | DrJoel | GSoC makes you focus on newbie developer issues and that is good.. lower the bar to entering project and submtiting |
| 18:58.48 | lh | T-2 minutes |
| 18:58.49 | MatthewWilkes | spectie: Hi there! |
| 18:58.50 | hypa7ia | yay! application submitted :D |
| 18:58.54 | lh | if you're working on an app get it in NOW |
| 18:59.00 | lh | hypa7ia: woot! |
| 18:59.00 | Lennie | T-1 Minute :) |
| 18:59.07 | DrJoel | hopes ours is in |
| 18:59.07 | spectie | hey! |
| 18:59.09 | hypa7ia | team effort, hehe |
| 18:59.14 | Ori_B | DrJoel: mm, that's quite a neat idea, but I don't know if I'd want so much to work in a VM for the summer |
| 18:59.32 | lh | 385 apps |
| 18:59.51 | Ori_B | DrJoel: what might be extremely nice (IMO) would be a single 'your-app-cross-env' package that pulls in all the dependencies and puts in the right config files |
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| 19:00.16 | manus_eiffel | That's it |
| 19:00.22 | brlcad | times up! |
| 19:00.23 | DrJoel | we have an apt/yum repository already and it takes about 10 minutes to install everything |
| 19:00.27 | brlcad | pencils down |
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| 19:00.52 | lh | Woot! |
| 19:00.58 | manus_eiffel | you cannot even view the application in read only mode |
| 19:01.00 | Ivanovic | ? |
| 19:01.02 | onar | how many apps will be accepted |
| 19:01.03 | onar | ? |
| 19:01.09 | lh | onar: around 150 |
| 19:01.13 | lh | will brb hang on folks |
| 19:01.32 | schumaml | interesting. the applications are not even viewable now |
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| 19:01.56 | chx | I should enroll to a univ and apply as a student this year |
| 19:02.08 | chx | I would fancy doing at least once the student part :p |
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| 19:03.10 | Lennie | schumaml: http://socghop.appspot.com/org_app/list_self/google/gsoc2009 :) |
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| 19:03.41 | Lennie | you wont be able to edit them anymore though :D |
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| 19:04.50 | danderson | hey awesome, I appear to have epic superpowers in melange |
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| 19:04.51 | dhaun | you'll have to change the URL to read "show" instead of "edit" to actually see your own application |
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| 19:04.57 | FrihD | hi |
| 19:04.59 | Lennie | stares at appengine log when it spiked on the deadline time :D |
| 19:05.07 | durin42 | danderson: yeah, me too, confuses the workflow for me :P |
| 19:05.07 | danderson | pokes around |
| 19:05.12 | djc | so I'm too late now?? |
| 19:05.14 | neo7 | what is the criteria for student selection |
| 19:05.14 | ptx | hi' the calendar says there's still 3 hours for the orginization deadline |
| 19:05.20 | codestr0m | djc: yes |
| 19:05.23 | ptx | i just tried to submit now |
| 19:05.24 | djc | I'm pretty confused, GCal says I have 3 hours left |
| 19:05.25 | danderson | ~timeline |
| 19:05.29 | danderson | !timeline |
| 19:05.29 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline, or (#2) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 19:05.38 | durin42 | danderson: google calendar (!) is telling people they have 3 more hours! |
| 19:05.40 | ptx | i relied on the google calender |
| 19:05.45 | ptx | and the iCal version |
| 19:05.50 | djc | I relied on GCal, as well |
| 19:05.56 | ptx | both says there 3 hours left |
| 19:05.58 | lh | hmmm...... |
| 19:05.58 | djc | that's a calendar Google maintains |
| 19:06.01 | ptx | that's 2 againts one |
| 19:06.08 | djc | so I'm assuming that's pretty correct |
| 19:06.12 | danderson | the FAQ timeline is authoritative |
| 19:06.13 | lh | ptx: that's not a very useful statement. |
| 19:06.23 | neo7 | l0nwlf: you there? |
| 19:06.27 | danderson | you may be set to the wrong timezone in google calendar |
| 19:06.29 | ptx | lh: which one? |
| 19:06.34 | danderson | which would shift all your entries. |
| 19:06.39 | lh | ptx: 2 againts one..... |
| 19:06.40 | danderson | There may also be a bug in the calendar, looking |
| 19:06.41 | icy | UTC 19:00 is pretty clear and definitive |
| 19:06.43 | djc | danderson: my tz is set correctly |
| 19:06.48 | ptx | lh: google calender and the ical version |
| 19:06.49 | schumaml | hm... show shows me that the line breaks aren't kept... |
| 19:07.03 | durin42 | lh: I'm seeing it as saying an extra 3 hours on the gcal as well when I set it to America/Chicago |
| 19:07.05 | ptx | the html version says it's now |
| 19:07.16 | danderson | DESCRIPTION:Deadline is exactly 12 Noon Pacific / 19:00 UTC |
| 19:07.30 | EllenKo | I messed up the calendar converting from UTC |
| 19:07.30 | durin42 | danderson: I grok that, but the calendar implies otherwise |
| 19:07.30 | danderson | DTSTART:20080312T190000Z |
| 19:07.31 | lh | fascinating. |
| 19:07.41 | danderson | 19:00 zulu time |
| 19:07.45 | danderson | that is the correct date, no? |
| 19:07.52 | lh | that is the correct date. |
| 19:07.54 | danderson | I'm pulling this data from google calendar itself |
| 19:07.55 | ptx | Apparently |
| 19:07.59 | danderson | well, from the ical export |
| 19:08.01 | durin42 | o_O |
| 19:08.04 | lh | folks mistakes happen. |
| 19:08.12 | ptx | seems google calender have big problems with timezones then |
| 19:08.19 | ptx | quite annoring |
| 19:08.22 | ptx | annoying |
| 19:08.22 | lh | i'm deciding now if we want to keep the application period open for awhile or not. |
| 19:08.30 | lh | ptx: so is complaining about it, my friend. |
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| 19:08.37 | icy | lh: good luck, there's no perfect solution |
| 19:08.38 | djc | lh: I only need 15 minutes or so, if that helps |
| 19:08.39 | schumaml | is there another Chicago, maybe? ;) |
| 19:08.39 | EllenKo | Sorry, I used an online time converter |
| 19:08.40 | ptx | sorry |
| 19:08.46 | durin42 | danderson: if I set it to "America/Los Angeles" I see noon pac time |
| 19:08.57 | lh | djc: not really. |
| 19:09.04 | durin42 | if I use "America/Cupertino" it still says I'm seeing pacific time, but it shows 3pm |
| 19:09.20 | danderson | lh: if you decide to extend, I can do the honors in the app. Just beep me. |
| 19:09.22 | durin42 | Oh, now it doesn't. |
| 19:09.23 | ptx | but when googles own software tell the worng date, maybe somethings not quite right? |
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| 19:09.47 | danderson | ptx: it's called a but, and they happen |
| 19:09.55 | danderson | and giving attitude about them doesn't make them go away |
| 19:09.56 | ptx | yeah :( |
| 19:10.12 | danderson | I'm staring at raw ical exports right now to try and see how this might happen |
| 19:10.15 | lh | ptx: you know, i realize there was an error. and i also hope you realize that what you're saying is not helping. |
| 19:10.17 | ptx | sorry sorry, not trying to give attitude, just a little stressed out here |
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| 19:10.20 | codestr0m | djc: you're with mercurial or which group? |
| 19:10.25 | EllenKo | I justchanged it |
| 19:10.29 | djc | codestr0m: yeah, with hg |
| 19:10.34 | lh | thank you EllenKo' |
| 19:10.41 | codestr0m | djc: did hg get their app in at all? |
| 19:10.50 | danderson | EllenKo: just changed as in 10 minutes ago or 10 seconds? |
| 19:10.59 | djc | codestr0m: not yet, since I thought I had three hours left |
| 19:11.00 | danderson | (to know which version of the raw data I'm staring at) |
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| 19:11.13 | durin42 | danderson: it's just just, since it changed what I'm seeing |
| 19:11.15 | codestr0m | djc: bad form.. seriously.. pm me though |
| 19:11.20 | Lennie | EllenKo dont forget to do the rest of the entries a well :D |
| 19:11.30 | EllenKo | yes, I'm double checking all of those now |
| 19:11.37 | zooko | For what it is worth, I did get my app in on time, but I would be happy for hg and who-ever else to get the extension. |
| 19:11.37 | EllenKo | Sorry, I did a bad conversion from UTC |
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| 19:11.54 | danderson | it's not worth much, it ain't a vote |
| 19:11.55 | MatthewWilkes | lh: I think zooko speaks for all of us on that, if that's a concern |
| 19:11.58 | danderson | let the lh think :) |
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| 19:12.11 | DrJoel | hugs ellen.. it happens.. we all still love you |
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| 19:12.15 | danderson | hands out hitchhiker's guides to the galaxy |
| 19:12.20 | lh | damn skippy, thank you DrJoel |
| 19:12.20 | danderson | Don't panic. |
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| 19:12.32 | MatthewWilkes | danderson: Pan Galactic Gargle-blasters would be better :) |
| 19:12.36 | durin42 | danderson: yellow/friendliness of letters fails in IRC. |
| 19:13.04 | ptx | already had a few Gargle-blasters |
| 19:13.12 | ptx | or the human equalivalent |
| 19:13.15 | danderson | MatthewWilkes: I already had 2 today, and am not yet a 20 ton mega-elephant with bronchial pneumonia, so I'm stopping here |
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| 19:13.43 | lh | Ok, I've thought about this. |
| 19:13.53 | lh | We'll keep the timeline open for another three hours. |
| 19:13.58 | Crofton|work | bah |
| 19:14.01 | lh | danderson: can you do the honors in the web app |
| 19:14.02 | djc | lh: great, thanks a bunch |
| 19:14.05 | Crofton|work | makes my odds worse :) |
| 19:14.14 | MatthewWilkes | Crofton|work: Not cool. |
| 19:14.18 | Ori_B | Student visa applications are confusing :/ |
| 19:14.20 | lh | Crofton|work: dude, it's about quality, not quantity. |
| 19:14.25 | danderson | And a voice cried out from Zurich, saying "It is done". |
| 19:14.28 | Crofton|work | note smiley |
| 19:14.31 | lh | danderson: all hail |
| 19:14.33 | lh | Crofton|work: now noted |
| 19:14.43 | lh | goes to tweet update |
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| 19:14.46 | danderson | deadline extended to 22:00:00 UTC |
| 19:14.57 | kloeri | Crofton|work: just spend the 3 hours improving your application :) |
| 19:15.00 | Crofton|work | date -u |
| 19:15.10 | danderson | djc: do you confirm that shit has changed and reactivated on your end? |
| 19:15.21 | danderson | it felt so easy, I'm wondering if it worked |
| 19:15.25 | zooko | So, the reason the calendar showed the wrong time stamp was that EllenKo was entering the timestamp into the cal in her local timezone, and she did the timezone conversion from the official "19:00 UTC" in her head and got it wrong and then entered it in local? |
| 19:15.26 | ajuonline | yAy! |
| 19:15.28 | Crofton|work | spent quite a bit of time on it already is needs to finished neglected work |
| 19:15.31 | danderson | and if it does, I wish to congratulate the melange developers |
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| 19:15.36 | danderson | because it really was that easy. |
| 19:15.37 | zooko | I ask because I'm fascinated with failures. ;-) |
| 19:15.51 | zooko | Also with time issues, actually, so I'm delighted with that ntp on beowulf clusters URL |
| 19:15.53 | Crofton|work | failure leads to improement |
| 19:16.10 | anothy_x | and are also a form of done. ;-) |
| 19:16.12 | zooko | That dberkholz posted. |
| 19:16.14 | durin42 | hugs lh for general magnanimity |
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| 19:16.30 | durin42 | danderson: I just went to go check, but I appear to have super cow powers |
| 19:16.35 | ajuonline | hugs lh |
| 19:16.35 | djc | danderson: yeah, seeems to work |
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| 19:16.42 | djc | danderson: I can Save again |
| 19:16.50 | ajuonline | this time, the dates are all come up to 9 :) 9th march, 18th march :P |
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| 19:17.20 | danderson | djc: awesome. |
| 19:17.23 | lh | ajuonline: thanks ajay |
| 19:17.29 | danderson | lh: also edited the timeline document to show the new date |
| 19:17.31 | x58 | wanders in still half asleep... mornin! |
| 19:17.39 | Lennie | awesome danderson :) |
| 19:17.43 | Lennie | and yes it is that easy |
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| 19:17.47 | lh | if folks want to do something, please help ellenko verify that the times on the calendar match those in the timeline doc |
| 19:17.50 | durin42 | danderson: this isn't some hack-job webapp, it really works ;) |
| 19:17.53 | danderson | Lennie: I owe you guys a beer. |
| 19:18.00 | danderson | because that was just awesome |
| 19:18.04 | Lennie | danderson, just gimme a tour of the zurich office :P? |
| 19:18.04 | durin42 | remembers the flags wiki page |
| 19:18.06 | lh | danderson: thanks, can you please update the timelien in the faq doc too please |
| 19:18.14 | Lennie | fireslide fun :D |
| 19:18.21 | danderson | "Hmmm, okay, edit timeline, org app deadline... 22:00, save... Wait, that's it?" |
| 19:18.22 | lh | the entire melange team deserves a huge round of applause and all the beer you can buy the, |
| 19:18.25 | lh | the./them |
| 19:18.27 | lh | whatever |
| 19:18.34 | lh | that's it |
| 19:18.35 | Lennie | we're not done yet |
| 19:18.35 | Lennie | :D |
| 19:18.40 | lh | also to update the 12 noon thingy |
| 19:18.45 | MatthewWilkes | Lennie: That doesn't make it any less true! |
| 19:18.52 | lh | Lennie: this has been the smoothest gsoc launch ever. and that's because of all your hard work. |
| 19:19.04 | Lennie | blushes |
| 19:19.13 | neo7 | where can we view application that is to be submitted to organization |
| 19:19.16 | neo7 | ?? |
| 19:19.17 | lh | hugs melange team |
| 19:19.22 | lh | neo7: be more specific |
| 19:19.30 | ajuonline | all hail #melange |
| 19:19.45 | ajuonline | of course, they watch TBBT and Heroes, they ought to be kool! :D |
| 19:19.48 | ajuonline | pygi: ^ |
| 19:19.50 | Lennie | haha true ajuonline :D |
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| 19:20.01 | Lennie | I know SRabbelier watches those series as well |
| 19:20.08 | durin42 | TBBT? |
| 19:20.14 | Lennie | The Big Bang Theory |
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| 19:20.23 | DrJoel | thinks deadlines are easier when you move them back 1 day mentally. :) |
| 19:20.30 | ESphynx | well good luck everyone :) |
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| 19:20.39 | Crofton|work | yeah, we shot for yesterday and submitted this AM |
| 19:21.14 | neo7 | lh: in gsoc we are required to develop an application for the organization.. now how can we find that what type of application will be required by the orgs? |
| 19:21.28 | Ori_B | lh: I'm filling in an application for a work visa in the USA; I'm just wondering if you know what I should put down for "Job Title" for SoC? |
| 19:21.39 | neo7 | I want to view application submitted by organization. How can i see it ? |
| 19:21.54 | MatthewWilkes | neo7: Ask them, or wait and if they're accepted you'll see it |
| 19:21.59 | Ori_B | I'd like to put down "Minion", but I don't think they'd accept it |
| 19:21.59 | lh | neo7: you can look at the ideas lists for accepted organizations on march 18th at http://socghop.appspot.com |
| 19:22.03 | Crofton|work | neo7, look over there idea list and look for something you are interested in |
| 19:22.11 | lh | for now, start looking at projects you like and start talking to them |
| 19:22.18 | Crofton|work | or, propose something you are really interested in |
| 19:22.21 | lh | Ori_B: Student Contractor |
| 19:22.29 | Ori_B | lh: thanks. |
| 19:22.30 | lh | someone take a look at the calendar and verify for EllenKo |
| 19:22.42 | neo7 | Crofton|work: thanks, lh: thanks MatthewWilkes: thanks |
| 19:22.48 | MatthewWilkes | hehe |
| 19:22.48 | Lennie | most of them already have an idea list up, so if you know which organizations interest you, you can take a look at their list |
| 19:22.54 | lh | should be at 22:00 UTC for today's deadline |
| 19:22.54 | lh | and |
| 19:23.08 | Crofton|work | neo7, what are you interested in? |
| 19:23.20 | lh | as i mentioned before, if you can verify the calendar output against the dates listed in the timeline and help EllenKo with that, it'd be fantastic. |
| 19:23.26 | ESphynx | how come I can still editr the application? |
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| 19:23.44 | EllenKo | The calendar is updated so it is back to the later deadline (+3 hours) |
| 19:23.49 | djc | ESphynx: the deadline was extended because the GCal version of the deadline was wrong |
| 19:23.55 | neo7 | Crofton|work: I was interested in Gnome application development. |
| 19:24.01 | djc | so you have three more hours to improve it! |
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| 19:24.58 | ESphynx | OH |
| 19:25.00 | neo7 | Crofton|work: I was also Interested in Joomla |
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| 19:25.31 | ESphynx | unfortunately I have other plans :| I hope it's fine hehe |
| 19:25.52 | Crofton|work | neo7, you could look at what they did last year http://code.google.com/soc/2008/ |
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| 19:33.54 | chx | iarwain: interesting, never knew IRC was allowed from EC2. Though, i never checked otherwise... |
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| 19:35.47 | afiestas | once the apply is sent, the only thing to do is wait, right? sorry for nub question :/ |
| 19:36.18 | Lennie | yes |
| 19:36.19 | lh | afiestas: correct |
| 19:36.19 | x58 | afiestas: yes |
| 19:36.21 | Lennie | the waiting strats :) |
| 19:36.30 | x58 | s/strats/starts/ |
| 19:36.32 | Crofton|work | is nervous |
| 19:36.44 | neo7 | lh: how to contact the mentors? |
| 19:36.53 | afiestas | too, is the first time |
| 19:37.02 | MatthewWilkes | sighs |
| 19:37.11 | MatthewWilkes | I swear I don't know how some people stay involved in OSS |
| 19:37.13 | lh | neo7: they will list contact infromation on their ideas page or home apage |
| 19:37.29 | Crofton|work | neo7, you have to wait a week too |
| 19:37.33 | MatthewWilkes | This one guy seems to have no people skills, causes arguments daily |
| 19:37.59 | lh | MatthewWilkes: can someone politely ask him to leave |
| 19:38.04 | Crofton|work | MatthewWilkes, it takes all types |
| 19:38.20 | Lennie | x58, thanks for correcting the obvious typo :) |
| 19:38.27 | lh | neo7: there's also no reason not to start talking to projects that interest you now, see if they are applying to gsoc |
| 19:38.56 | MatthewWilkes | lh: I told him yesterday to move his discussion to a calmly worded email and he refused and drew more people into it - it's starting to get to the stage we'll have to do more |
| 19:38.57 | x58 | Lennie: Your welcome. |
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| 19:39.36 | Crofton|work | MatthewWilkes, also look for video of the talk on subversion at google, there is online video |
| 19:39.38 | antarus | MatthewWilkes: didn't you ever go to hi gh school? |
| 19:39.40 | neo7 | lh: ok. |
| 19:39.42 | antarus | MatthewWilkes: it never ends ;) |
| 19:39.43 | lh | MatthewWilkes: good luck dear. |
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| 19:40.04 | neo7 | when will we get the final list of mentors? |
| 19:40.07 | neo7 | 18th |
| 19:40.08 | neo7 | ? |
| 19:40.10 | x58 | MatthewWilkes: You can always break his knee caps :P |
| 19:40.13 | lh | neo7: yes. |
| 19:40.19 | iarwain | chx: it's not forbidden. |
| 19:40.21 | Lennie | there is no final mentors list? |
| 19:40.25 | MatthewWilkes | x58: lol |
| 19:40.58 | Lennie | only a list of organizations that will participate |
| 19:41.21 | MatthewWilkes | antarus: I didn't go to "high school", rather "secondary school". Our stages are different. I don't get the reference⦠|
| 19:41.43 | Crofton|work | people must be better behaved in secondary school |
| 19:42.16 | pygi | ajuonline, stop that! |
| 19:42.17 | antarus | MatthewWilkes: basically pointing out that every society has trolls ;) |
| 19:42.48 | MatthewWilkes | Oh right |
| 19:43.54 | x58 | MatthewWilkes: Well, with broken knee caps he will have something else to worry about :P |
| 19:44.23 | ajuonline | pygi: ;) |
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| 19:44.55 | pygi | lh, tell ajuonline to stop putting me down because I don't watch Heroes :( |
| 19:44.57 | sfb | Man. |
| 19:45.04 | sfb | I just saved my last change to our ideas page. |
| 19:45.08 | sfb | it's epically large. )= |
| 19:45.10 | lh | pygi: erm, i am torn on that one. |
| 19:45.20 | pygi | lh, what?! |
| 19:45.29 | spectie | i don't watch heroes o__O |
| 19:45.32 | MatthewWilkes | pygi: I'm with you |
| 19:45.42 | MatthewWilkes | and TBBT is average at best |
| 19:45.55 | pygi | lh, instead, I'll get 100% from networks paper I had today |
| 19:45.57 | pygi | lh, does that count?! |
| 19:46.06 | pygi | MatthewWilkes, thank you! |
| 19:46.16 | ajuonline | pygi: awesome :), but still no. you should watch Heroes. |
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| 19:46.21 | x58 | Heroes has gone down hill. The first season was great, but the second and now third seasons have just been horrible. |
| 19:46.54 | x58 | It is like a slow moving train wreck, the story line is all over the place, it feels disjointed and like there is no guidance. |
| 19:47.01 | ajuonline | x58: i too, think so. but for those who _dont_ watch it at all. S01 is a must watch :P |
| 19:47.15 | lh | pygi: sure? |
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| 19:47.48 | x58 | ajuonline: I'll agree to that. But no further, it will ruin it. |
| 19:47.51 | sfb | x58: It's like Lost for geeks. |
| 19:48.07 | x58 | sfb: I don't watch Lost. |
| 19:48.08 | freebsdgirl | heroes is terrible. it's almost as bad as lost. |
| 19:48.11 | sfb | x58: Starts out interesting, goes to moderately interesting and then jsut gets stupid. |
| 19:48.11 | freebsdgirl | ah |
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| 19:48.13 | freebsdgirl | sfb said it first. |
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| 19:48.21 | scorche | this si what we have BSG for |
| 19:48.21 | sfb | (= |
| 19:48.25 | sfb | YES |
| 19:48.27 | x58 | Watched one episode of Lost and it was just crap. |
| 19:48.30 | sfb | So say we all. |
| 19:48.31 | x58 | scorche: BSG? No. |
| 19:48.31 | ajuonline | BSG == ? |
| 19:48.35 | scorche | So say we all. |
| 19:48.36 | Lennie|Gone | talking about geek stuff |
| 19:48.37 | freebsdgirl | i liked the first season of lost. |
| 19:48.40 | scorche | x58: yes |
| 19:48.41 | sfb | Battlestar Galactica |
| 19:48.42 | Landon | BIG STINKING GUN |
| 19:48.43 | Landon | :) |
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| 19:48.50 | nrp | S01 of Heroes is self contained enough that you can just watch it, enjoy, and ignore any later episodes |
| 19:48.52 | freebsdgirl | i've been watching weeds with lh. going to make her start watching the l word next. |
| 19:48.56 | lh | yes, lost first season good. heroes first season good. the rest of it, eh. |
| 19:48.59 | ajuonline | someone link me to it! i tried to get it, but it was not the first episode, so deleted it. |
| 19:48.59 | scorche | haha...weeds is amusing |
| 19:49.00 | freebsdgirl | :P |
| 19:49.00 | lh | i <3 weeds |
| 19:49.14 | lh | l word i've seen a bit, it's interesting. too close to home on some of it. |
| 19:49.18 | nrp | weeds went downhill after the first couple of seasons too |
| 19:49.20 | x58 | scorche: Fringe and Eureka |
| 19:49.27 | lh | the whole next door neighbor reminds me of someone i know |
| 19:49.34 | freebsdgirl | satc is too close to home. l word is just dramacentral. |
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| 19:49.42 | Lennie|Gone | http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/startrek/ ^_ ^ |
| 19:49.52 | lh | satc is definitely too close to home. |
| 19:50.00 | freebsdgirl | we stopped watching that. we should finish it. |
| 19:50.01 | lh | too bad i dont have the handbags to prove it. |
| 19:50.06 | scorche | lh: you seriously need to get past this "Starbuck is now a chick" crap and watch the new BSG...this last season has been *AMAZING* |
| 19:50.07 | freebsdgirl | ah, but you will soon! |
| 19:50.10 | lh | freebsdgirl: agreed. |
| 19:50.23 | pygi | lh, ... |
| 19:50.32 | lh | scorche: actually, no i don't. but linsey told me she liked it, so i have agreed to watch it at some point. |
| 19:50.33 | sfb | scorche: Did you see "the BSG we almost got?" |
| 19:50.37 | freebsdgirl | btw, i think i'm leaving work early to go protect the house. |
| 19:50.42 | scorche | lh: \o/ |
| 19:50.51 | x58 | I watched a lot of BSG, but it all started dragging along, it became harder to watch and believe what was going on. |
| 19:50.57 | ajuonline | hands over a rifle to freebsdgirl |
| 19:50.58 | scorche | freebsdgirl: this sounds like fun... |
| 19:51.00 | freebsdgirl | i miss STTNG :( |
| 19:51.06 | scorche | x58: which season? |
| 19:51.06 | x58 | freebsdgirl: Protect? |
| 19:51.06 | pygi | you look undecided lh :-/ ... |
| 19:51.07 | ajuonline | keep that as well :) |
| 19:51.11 | pygi | I thought I could count on you :-/ |
| 19:51.15 | x58 | scorche: Season 1 and 2. |
| 19:51.16 | freebsdgirl | x58: someone broke into our house last night. |
| 19:51.27 | x58 | freebsdgirl: Sorry to hear that! |
| 19:51.28 | freebsdgirl | i think i scared them off. |
| 19:51.29 | scorche | freebsdgirl: ack...anything of value stolen? |
| 19:51.33 | freebsdgirl | no. |
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| 19:51.39 | scorche | method of entry? |
| 19:51.48 | freebsdgirl | but it would take all of about 30 seconds to walk off with ~8k of gear i've got in the living room. |
| 19:51.50 | freebsdgirl | front door. :P |
| 19:52.02 | x58 | freebsdgirl: I have seen some of your blog entries on people attempting to break into your place! |
| 19:52.07 | scorche | it was open, or...? |
| 19:52.17 | pygi | ajuonline, oh wait! Is Heroes that thing where one dude sees in his paintings that he is going to blow up entire city? |
| 19:52.17 | Catfish_Man | suggests caltrops |
| 19:52.20 | lh | freebsdgirl: ok. i can get over there by around 4. |
| 19:52.21 | sfb | Can I ask people to take a look at my ideas page and tell me if it's okay or overkill or... just give me advice in general? |
| 19:52.23 | freebsdgirl | it was open when i walked out of my bedroom this morning. cat started freaking out aroudn 6 am - i think that's when they broke in. |
| 19:52.25 | x58 | pygi: Yes |
| 19:52.25 | lh | freebsdgirl: did you call the cops? |
| 19:52.27 | sfb | I'm hoping I'm done. |
| 19:52.29 | freebsdgirl | lh: i've got a meeting in 40 minutes then i'm headed home. |
| 19:52.33 | ajuonline | pygi: yes, |
| 19:52.38 | pygi | x58, ajuonline : oh, I watched few episodes then |
| 19:52.42 | freebsdgirl | and no. i didn't call them. i uh... you should call them. |
| 19:52.51 | lh | freebsdgirl: ok, cool. |
| 19:52.58 | ajuonline | pygi: ah, good. then ;) you are forgiven now :D |
| 19:53.24 | x58 | scared off by a cat eh? Suckas |
| 19:53.41 | freebsdgirl | and a leatherman. they could probably feel the general vibe of potential violence coming from my bedroom. |
| 19:53.55 | freebsdgirl | has scared off robbers with leatherman before. |
| 19:53.59 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Ooh, RND is hosted by David Tennant this year |
| 19:54.00 | lh | freebsdgirl: i'll have time to do that in a few hours. little busy at the moment with that whole summer of code thing. plus i wasn't there. :p |
| 19:54.08 | freebsdgirl | yeah. i'm just nervous. i don't like cops |
| 19:54.25 | freebsdgirl | they always ask questions, then they are like "fill out a report". |
| 19:54.28 | lh | freebsdgirl: we can call them together when i get home then. |
| 19:54.32 | freebsdgirl | ok. that works. |
| 19:54.33 | x58 | freebsdgirl: Noone does, but you should still call them. |
| 19:54.35 | Catfish_Man | I remember when some idiot crooks broke into jive's office |
| 19:54.39 | lh | they wont bother for this. we have no evidence, but will call. |
| 19:54.52 | freebsdgirl | i find it amusing this happened not a day after that one dude had his house broken into and twittered/ustreamed the whole thing. |
| 19:54.54 | ajuonline | i had to break into my own house a couple of days back, when I was locked in |
| 19:54.57 | Catfish_Man | walked right past the dozens of computers and such, and the wii and 360, and stole the kinda crappy TV |
| 19:55.05 | lh | goes to get some lunch |
| 19:55.10 | freebsdgirl | ajuonline: that's why keeping a set of lockpicks in your car comes in handy. |
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| 19:55.30 | lh | have i mentioned all hail freebsdgirl |
| 19:55.32 | lh | and mrs_spearce |
| 19:55.33 | lh | and allman |
| 19:55.35 | lh | and EllenKo |
| 19:55.37 | freebsdgirl | haha |
| 19:55.38 | lh | and selenamarie |
| 19:55.38 | freebsdgirl | <3 lh |
| 19:55.40 | lh | lesse |
| 19:55.44 | lh | awww |
| 19:55.58 | lh | distributes free hugs, iced tea, coffee, cocoa, assorted nibbles to the channel |
| 19:56.02 | selenamarie | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.10 | ajuonline | yAy! |
| 19:56.13 | scorche | looks sideways at the nibbles |
| 19:56.13 | lh | selenamarie: how be you? :) |
| 19:56.15 | Catfish_Man | holy crap. My Adium is using tons of ram |
| 19:56.18 | MatthewWilkes | hails all mentioned |
| 19:56.19 | Mathiasd1 | yay, free hugs |
| 19:56.21 | Catfish_Man | silly irc being all active |
| 19:56.23 | sid0 | hail lh actually :) |
| 19:56.25 | x58 | Sweet, nibbles |
| 19:56.28 | Mathiasd1 | must be since it's hug an engineer day ^^ |
| 19:56.28 | lh | scorche: there's a cheese plate for you |
| 19:56.30 | lh | really goes to get coffee now |
| 19:56.35 | lh | sid0: and hail unto thee |
| 19:56.35 | scorche | \o/ |
| 19:56.37 | lh | coffee!! |
| 19:56.39 | scorche | !cheese |
| 19:56.39 | socinfo | Error: "cheese" is not a valid command. |
| 19:56.47 | ajuonline | !whoami |
| 19:56.47 | socinfo | I don't recognize you. |
| 19:56.48 | scorche | danderson: damn you...cheese should have been kept! |
| 19:56.57 | lh | rotflmao |
| 19:57.02 | lh | ok coffee! |
| 19:57.03 | sid0 | who's allman? =) |
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| 19:57.09 | ajuonline | and its been an year, I have been around socinfo still doesnt recognise me! duh! |
| 19:57.10 | scorche | cat |
| 19:57.13 | lh | allman: care to introduce yourself? |
| 19:57.28 | lh | i can also say things about how awesome you are. |
| 19:57.38 | danderson | scorche: feel free to return cheese |
| 19:57.40 | lh | psstt.... Cat is awesome. |
| 19:57.43 | selenamarie | lh: doing good, tired, but you know that's how things go these days. :) |
| 19:57.43 | freebsdgirl | allman is hella cool. |
| 19:57.46 | lh | pssttt..... Ellen is awesome. |
| 19:57.49 | freebsdgirl | she gets the randi stamp of approval. |
| 19:57.50 | lh | selenamarie: totally. |
| 19:57.59 | lh | selenamarie: is there anything i can do to help with osbridge other than spread the word? |
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| 19:58.40 | scorche | danderson: that requires going into logs.. |
| 19:58.46 | ajuonline | oh yes, |
| 19:58.54 | ajuonline | hail EllenKo :) |
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| 19:59.07 | selenamarie | lh: spreading the word is the most important thing right now :) |
| 19:59.09 | lh | folks, if you can be in or around portland in mid-June go to Open Source Bridge. Awesome conference put on by selenamarie and many other volunteers. :) |
| 19:59.12 | lh | selenamarie: on it. |
| 19:59.14 | ajuonline | i made good use of the gsoc 2008 stickers! :) |
| 19:59.18 | selenamarie | haha muchas gracias :) :) |
| 19:59.25 | Catfish_Man | I can probably be in or around Portland ;) |
| 19:59.32 | selenamarie | Catfish_Man: awesome! |
| 19:59.35 | lh | selenamarie: will tweet and blog too. if you need speakers, i can bug people too. |
| 19:59.39 | Catfish_Man | (I live here) |
| 19:59.44 | lh | Catfish_Man: you should totally go to the con. :) |
| 19:59.49 | freebsdgirl | oh |
| 19:59.50 | selenamarie | lh: yeah, would love to see a few more proposals. |
| 19:59.51 | Catfish_Man | sounds like good fun |
| 20:00.17 | freebsdgirl | lh: so wikipedia page dude is going to let me borrow one of his guns. we are safe. |
| 20:00.19 | lh | selenamarie: any particular topics? |
| 20:00.25 | lh | freebsdgirl: good. |
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| 20:00.28 | lh | i think. |
| 20:00.31 | lh | i hate guns. |
| 20:00.32 | ajuonline | selenamarie: link? |
| 20:00.37 | lh | i also hate asshats in our house. |
| 20:00.40 | lh | i am so torn/ |
| 20:00.44 | Catfish_Man | caltrops |
| 20:00.44 | selenamarie | open source bridge: http://www.opensourcebridge.org/ |
| 20:00.54 | selenamarie | also on twitter: http://twitter.com/osbridge |
| 20:00.57 | x58 | lh: Just get a katana. |
| 20:01.00 | freebsdgirl | you shouldn't hate guns. you should go shooting with me. |
| 20:01.06 | freebsdgirl | one of my coworkers suggested we get a claymore. |
| 20:01.16 | ajuonline | selenamarie: thank you :) |
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| 20:01.17 | terry_mclaren | lh - getting format error on backup group admin. Does this have to be a valid gmail id? |
| 20:01.27 | scorche | link_id |
| 20:01.33 | selenamarie | lh: topics -- we'd love to see more python. brian aker said something about contacting guido, but i don't know him :) |
| 20:01.59 | ajuonline | selenamarie: does PHP count in as well ? |
| 20:02.01 | selenamarie | lh: also anything that's howto oriented, or hardware hacking oriented woudl awesome |
| 20:02.04 | selenamarie | would be awesome |
| 20:02.20 | selenamarie | ajuonline: definitely, we have a huge php dev community in portland |
| 20:02.20 | x58 | selenamarie: I am on a system that does not do web sites at the moment (just straight console with irssi), what is osbridge about? |
| 20:02.37 | selenamarie | x58: we're an open source conference that's about "being an open source citizen" |
| 20:02.38 | x58 | selenamarie: What are you looking for in terms of speakers? |
| 20:03.03 | scorche | !learn cheese as don't forget to serve cheese at the mentor summit |
| 20:03.03 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 20:03.05 | selenamarie | we're going to get people together for 3 days to talk about their projects, connect with other developers and members of the open source community |
| 20:03.07 | terry_mclaren | where can if find the link_id? |
| 20:03.17 | scorche | !learn cheese as really really nice cheese. lots of different kinds. with apples, fuji, also granny smith. more fuji. cranberries, dried. walnuts - roasted. crackers also. perhaps some baguette slices |
| 20:03.17 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 20:03.19 | selenamarie | we've got 2 days of regular conference sessions, and then 1 day of unconference |
| 20:03.20 | terry_mclaren | associated with an account? |
| 20:03.21 | ajuonline | selenamarie: forgive me for my geography, portland == .uk / .us ? |
| 20:03.21 | pygi | selenamarie, making optical burners work on linux through magic :D |
| 20:03.29 | Crofton|work | terry_mclaren, register with melange and you pick a link id |
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| 20:03.33 | Jeff_S | ajuonline: portland, oregon, us |
| 20:03.34 | selenamarie | ajuonline: portland, oregon USA (west coast) |
| 20:03.36 | Crofton|work | almsot got caught by that |
| 20:03.47 | selenamarie | pygl: that sounds RAD |
| 20:04.02 | Jeff_S | magic++ |
| 20:04.10 | pygi | selenamarie, burning on Linux is definitely not RAD xD |
| 20:04.13 | terry_mclaren | ok - I'll get him to register in this year's system |
| 20:04.18 | selenamarie | lolz |
| 20:04.21 | pygi | burning is black box and a lot of mess on linux sadly :( |
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| 20:04.30 | x58 | selenamarie: Ah, cool. Is there a call for papers out? If so when does it close? |
| 20:04.32 | sfb | Yeah. It is. |
| 20:04.36 | sfb | k3b helps. |
| 20:04.41 | pygi | sfb, no it doesn't |
| 20:04.42 | selenamarie | z58: yes call for papers is out. closes march 31 |
| 20:04.45 | pygi | k3b is a frontend |
| 20:04.54 | pygi | well, it does a bit, but not enough anyway |
| 20:04.58 | terry_mclaren | duh... year year/system... thx... |
| 20:05.08 | x58 | selenamarie: I'll take a look at the website later on, see if it is something I am interested in, if so I will submit a paper :D |
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| 20:05.09 | sfb | What you said is correct. |
| 20:05.13 | sfb | I didn't say it fixed it. (= |
| 20:05.14 | selenamarie | x58: please do! |
| 20:05.20 | ajuonline | selenamarie: can I pm you? |
| 20:05.22 | pygi | selenamarie, link me? |
| 20:05.29 | sfb | I just remember when it was all CLI and I just burned CDs at my Windows box. |
| 20:05.38 | selenamarie | pygl: http://www.opensourcebridge.org/ |
| 20:05.44 | selenamarie | ajuonline: sure |
| 20:05.47 | pygi | selenamarie, its "i" not "l" :D |
| 20:06.04 | x58 | selenamarie: Tab complete is your friend :P |
| 20:06.17 | pygi | sfb, :) |
| 20:06.41 | selenamarie | pygi: sorry its extra typing to tab complete on a name so short :) |
| 20:07.06 | pygi | selenamarie, ah so you're doing bzr vs git talk? |
| 20:07.23 | pygi | nice, me is writing a booky on a similar topic :) |
| 20:07.28 | pygi | well, just bzr that is xD |
| 20:07.37 | Catfish_Man | bzr rm git; bzr ci -m "fixed" |
| 20:07.39 | Catfish_Man | </bias> |
| 20:07.43 | selenamarie | pygi: i'll be representing git. :) |
| 20:07.52 | selenamarie | pygi: good luck with the book. |
| 20:07.55 | pygi | selenamarie, it actually doesn't matter |
| 20:08.02 | pygi | DVCS is not the problem, people are :) |
| 20:08.35 | Catfish_Man | pygi: when you find yourself saying "oh, the program isn't broken, the users are", you should probably take a long hard look at what you're doing :P |
| 20:08.53 | ajuonline | pygi: you do bzr? kool :) |
| 20:09.06 | ajuonline | suddenly, I think you can be forgiven :P lol |
| 20:09.19 | x58 | Eh, good ol' subversion for me! |
| 20:09.48 | Catfish_Man | x58: svn 1.5 merge tracking has been causing us no end of pain :( |
| 20:10.23 | x58 | Catfish_Man: I don't use it within a team. This is all for my personal projects and for personally tracking changes in stuff I do for uni. |
| 20:10.29 | Catfish_Man | ah |
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| 20:11.17 | pygi | Catfish_Man, what am I doing exactly? :-P |
| 20:11.32 | Catfish_Man | pygi: beats me! |
| 20:11.37 | scorche|sh | Catfish_Man: see, we just dont branch much =P |
| 20:11.51 | pygi | Catfish_Man, users are not the problem, people who think they own all the worlds knowledge are tho ;) |
| 20:12.29 | Catfish_Man | scorche: even with just 1.3.x and trunk it's still been annoying :/ |
| 20:12.36 | x58 | Anti-trust has a great quote: Human knowledge belongs to the world! |
| 20:13.02 | pygi | Catfish_Man, and you know those are the loudest |
| 20:13.39 | x58 | Cheerio! I am off to get some stuff done today. |
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| 20:17.04 | leto | selenamarie: howdy |
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| 20:18.21 | selenamarie | leto: fancy seeing you here :) |
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| 20:19.06 | leto | selenamarie: there goes the neighborhood. I really need to submit a talk to OSbridge, there is still ~2 more weeks, right? |
| 20:19.17 | selenamarie | leto: yes! :) |
| 20:19.42 | selenamarie | leto: we've got an IRC channel too -- #osbridge |
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| 20:22.04 | MatthewWilkes | webchick! |
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| 20:22.12 | webchick | Hey. :D |
| 20:22.20 | webchick | Still coming off the drupalflu :P |
| 20:22.21 | ajuonline | ^5's webchick |
| 20:22.27 | ajuonline | long time :P |
| 20:22.27 | brlcad | howdy webchick |
| 20:22.38 | webchick | But I heard there was cocoa AND cookies! |
| 20:22.48 | MatthewWilkes | webchick: I heard the other day that your book's selling really well, congrats. Also, just seen the drupalchix logo - awesome |
| 20:22.48 | ajuonline | yeah |
| 20:22.53 | brlcad | but but .. we heard you were bringing them! |
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| 20:23.05 | webchick | MatthewWilkes, Hey, thanks. :D Yes, so glad that )(&*@#ing thing is finally done. ;) |
| 20:23.18 | webchick | brlcad, er.. uh... that is... |
| 20:23.19 | ajuonline | shares the cocoa and cookies with webchick |
| 20:23.21 | scorche|sh | webchick: book?...on drupal, i assume? |
| 20:23.30 | webchick | scorche|sh, Yeah. Using Drupal, on O'Reilly. |
| 20:23.35 | scorche|sh | oh...nice! |
| 20:23.37 | webchick | has had a busy 2008 :P |
| 20:23.45 | brlcad | fantastic |
| 20:23.55 | webchick | And then I became the core maintainer for Drupal 7. |
| 20:24.01 | webchick | So looks to be a busy 2009 as well. ;) |
| 20:24.06 | webchick | how are you guys?! |
| 20:24.09 | webchick | I missed you. :D |
| 20:24.24 | lh | all hail webchick |
| 20:24.25 | lh | "_ |
| 20:24.26 | MatthewWilkes | webchick: Good thanks, missed you too! |
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| 20:24.41 | lh | we missed you too webchick :) |
| 20:24.46 | webchick | Yay lh! :D |
| 20:24.46 | ajuonline | webchick: congratulations, on the book. yeah we missed you too! :P |
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| 20:24.56 | webchick | ajuonline, thanks. :D |
| 20:25.00 | lh | alexua is doing an awesome job helping us mobilize |
| 20:25.02 | webchick | So. It's that most wonderful time of the year. :) |
| 20:25.09 | webchick | lh: Yeah, he is seriously pumped. |
| 20:25.22 | harlan | dberkholz: thanks for the link. |
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| 20:25.43 | webchick | lh: I got your twitter about applications due in 4 hours and I went OH MY GOSH I NEED TO GO FREAK OUT ABOUT THAT and found out.. I totally didn't! |
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| 20:25.57 | webchick | lh: So now webchick is scaling with actual people! ;) |
| 20:26.22 | lh | webchick: that's fantastic. i am so glad. |
| 20:26.32 | lh | webchick: what are you up to these days? i am so bummed i missed drupalcon. |
| 20:26.52 | webchick | lh: We were bummed too. :( It was INSANE. There were 1400 people there or some crap. |
| 20:26.59 | MatthewWilkes | wow! |
| 20:27.06 | isforinsects | hey scorche|sh |
| 20:27.06 | lh | damn |
| 20:27.12 | webchick | Probably more, because I know not everyone had a badge (sneaky, sneaky) |
| 20:27.15 | ajuonline | webchick: do you allow other project, developers there? ;) |
| 20:27.18 | lh | i knew the drupal love was extensive but that is totally insane. |
| 20:27.22 | lh | sneaky no es bueno |
| 20:27.30 | MatthewWilkes | webchick: We're hoping for around 350-400 for PloneConf2009 in Budapest |
| 20:27.32 | webchick | ajuonline, Sure. :) We had some Joomla folks there, a couple Django people, etc. |
| 20:27.48 | scorche|sh | isforinsects: hi! |
| 20:27.50 | webchick | ajuonline, It's just a really awesome time. Lots of really nice geeks hanging around teaching each other stuff. |
| 20:27.50 | ajuonline | webchick: sahana framework is inspired by Drupal :) |
| 20:27.55 | webchick | You should all come to the one in Paris! |
| 20:27.59 | webchick | In September! |
| 20:28.01 | webchick | It'll be AWESOME |
| 20:28.07 | MatthewWilkes | webchick: Hmm |
| 20:28.11 | MatthewWilkes | webchick: Linky? |
| 20:28.15 | isforinsects | The Boston Drupal event was pretty cool |
| 20:28.50 | webchick | MatthewWilkes, http://paris2009.drupalcon.org/ .. since Drupalcon DC was last week the site is just a Twitter feed for now, but should ramp up in the next week or so. :) |
| 20:29.26 | webchick | isforinsects, Ah, did you go? Yeah, it was tons of fun. Especially since lh actually WENT to that one and didn't DITCH US. ;) j/k |
| 20:29.56 | isforinsects | webchick: I was around for most of it, it was at the OLPC offices |
| 20:30.12 | webchick | Oh *that*! |
| 20:30.17 | webchick | A month or so ago? |
| 20:30.18 | MatthewWilkes | webchick: Interesting. If it's the first week I'll consider it. Going to be in Indy in the 2nd week of sep doing a plone training session, which I'm really looking forward to |
| 20:30.23 | isforinsects | Yep |
| 20:30.26 | webchick | Yeah, I heard they got tons of stuff done there. Wish I was there. :( |
| 20:30.49 | webchick | MatthewWilkes, I can almost 100% confirm that it is going to be sometime that first week. Precise dates are still being nailed down. |
| 20:31.00 | lh | hangs head in shame for missing DC |
| 20:31.23 | MatthewWilkes | webchick: Shall keep an eye on it then. It's nice to learn from other communities |
| 20:31.27 | webchick | We should tack on a GSoCon. I mean. Who doesn't want to come to Paris? :D |
| 20:31.37 | lh | webchick: that's not a bad idea really. |
| 20:31.41 | MatthewWilkes | Paris rocks |
| 20:31.42 | webchick | lh: Well fortunately you're pretty awesome, so we forgive you. ;) |
| 20:31.48 | brlcad | MM.. paris |
| 20:31.51 | danderson | webchick: I don't, paris sucks |
| 20:31.51 | lh | webchick: thanks :) |
| 20:31.57 | isforinsects | DC looked really awesome too, I really want to meet the hosts. |
| 20:31.59 | danderson | rude people, stinking subway, expensive coffee |
| 20:32.04 | Jeff_S | I hope you don't mean paris, tx ;) |
| 20:32.05 | lh | has never been to the city of lights |
| 20:32.10 | ajuonline | GSoCon sounds *awesome* :P |
| 20:32.12 | webchick | danderson, Not to mention those hooligans named "Dave" |
| 20:32.14 | danderson | lh: oh! |
| 20:32.30 | danderson | lh: then you should go. It's wonderful. Beautiful, nice people, a great place. |
| 20:32.31 | webchick | lh: Btw, I have some pretty stupid questions about that questionnaire. Is it ok if I send you a mail sometime with a lot of stupid questions? ;) |
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| 20:32.41 | lh | webchick: it's totally good, do it. |
| 20:32.45 | lh | danderson: mmhmmmm |
| 20:33.12 | scorche | danderson: i hear the champs-elysees has really gone downhill |
| 20:33.16 | danderson | more seriously, my relationship with paris is that it's a nice tourist destination |
| 20:33.20 | ajuonline | ok since everyone is talking about their *con* |
| 20:33.22 | danderson | but I wouldn't want to live there |
| 20:33.25 | MatthewWilkes | danderson: +1 |
| 20:33.30 | danderson | or anywhere in a 100km vicinity for that matter |
| 20:33.45 | MatthewWilkes | I went there for a day trip in jan last year |
| 20:33.56 | webchick | danderson, that's also my opinion about Montr?al. |
| 20:33.59 | MatthewWilkes | nice 15ish mile walk around paris, back home on the eurostar |
| 20:34.02 | MatthewWilkes | was so nice |
| 20:34.03 | ajuonline | we have the first ever Sahana Conf 2009, at Colombo, Sri Lanka. http://sahana2009.foss.lk/ March 24-25 09. spread the word ;) |
| 20:34.59 | danderson | webchick: well, except that Montreal is awesome |
| 20:34.59 | webchick | danderson, although it's nice to live there when friends come from out of town. ;) |
| 20:34.59 | danderson | :P |
| 20:34.59 | webchick | hahaha |
| 20:34.59 | danderson | and they all talk funny |
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| 20:34.59 | danderson | (and get annoyed when you point it out :P |
| 20:35.00 | danderson | but they have most excellent beer, so that's okay, they can talk however they like |
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| 20:35.09 | webchick | LOL |
| 20:35.26 | lh | ajuonline: done |
| 20:35.39 | ajuonline | lh: you are lovely :) |
| 20:35.53 | lil_Toady | paris is a crap city |
| 20:36.01 | lh | ajuonline: thanks. :) |
| 20:36.03 | lil_Toady | all so dirty |
| 20:36.13 | xorAxAx | dirty and nobody speaks english? :) |
| 20:36.18 | webchick | Honestly, I think we could have Drupalcon in Backwoods, Kentucky and it would be awesome. |
| 20:36.29 | webchick | No offense to any Backwoodian Kentuckioids |
| 20:36.35 | danderson | webchick: you should have it in Zurich. |
| 20:36.38 | lil_Toady | and those bazaars in the streets |
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| 20:36.42 | danderson | The ETH is huge and would probably welcome you |
| 20:36.46 | webchick | danderson, Wayyyy too expensive. ;) |
| 20:36.56 | MatthewWilkes | webchick: Well, you survived DC. I didn't have much time to explore DC but what I saw wasn't great |
| 20:36.57 | webchick | Or so is my understanding. |
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| 20:36.59 | danderson | meeeh, drupal is rich! |
| 20:37.11 | webchick | DC is hilarious. It's like AmericaLand!!! (yes, with three !s) |
| 20:37.18 | manus_eiffel | many things are happening in Zurich, especially ETH |
| 20:37.27 | manus_eiffel | there is even a google lab there |
| 20:37.29 | webchick | <question type="stupid">What is ETH</question> |
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| 20:37.35 | danderson | webchick: zurich has a high quality of life (highest in the world according to some survey), and yes, the cost of living is in proportion |
| 20:37.40 | manus_eiffel | The top university in switzerland |
| 20:37.40 | isforinsects | There is this little missile silo I know that's available |
| 20:37.46 | danderson | but I'm sure something could be worked out |
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| 20:38.00 | MatthewWilkes | webchick: I just got freaked out by the fact that every black person I saw worked in the service industry (and made up at least 90% of the cleaning staff, etc) |
| 20:38.00 | manus_eiffel | http://www.ethz.ch |
| 20:38.04 | danderson | webchick: two major places of higher learning in zurich, the university, and the ETH |
| 20:38.04 | scorche | isforinsects: oh, man...still? |
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| 20:38.13 | scorche | isforinsects: why havent we capitalized on that yet? =P |
| 20:38.19 | lh | MatthewWilkes: welcome to the USA |
| 20:38.27 | danderson | scorche: ssshhhh. Don't mention Skynet. |
| 20:38.42 | webchick | Oh, ok. So "big fancy technology school" :) |
| 20:38.44 | MatthewWilkes | lh: I'd never seen it that much before. That said, I've only felt uncomfortable due to race twice, both times in the US |
| 20:38.49 | Landon | wonders what part of USA lh visits :o |
| 20:39.11 | danderson | webchick: pretty much. I've actually been tempted to sign up there, they have extremely interesting courses |
| 20:39.18 | MatthewWilkes | lh: DC is the most recent, going to a supermarket in the navajo nation and being the only white person was the other |
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| 20:39.36 | danderson | but I've had 5 years of studying, I want to break stuff in the real world for a bit first |
| 20:39.41 | isforinsects | scorche: Yeah, I was working on it: http://hellosilo.com/ |
| 20:39.41 | impl | In my part of the US we replaced black people with Mexicans |
| 20:39.49 | Landon | ^ |
| 20:39.55 | lh | Landon: lots of it |
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| 20:40.02 | isforinsects | scorche: but then Toorcon muscled in and is doing it a month earlier |
| 20:40.06 | lh | MatthewWilkes: i love going places where i am the only white person |
| 20:40.11 | scorche | toorcamp...yeah...cant wait |
| 20:40.11 | lil_Toady | Maxicans can at least do proper food |
| 20:40.21 | Landon | lh: echoing what impl said, seems to be the case in the midwest |
| 20:40.33 | impl | lh: Get a taste of what it's like to be not the majority, hm? |
| 20:40.42 | scorche | isforinsects: i weas just about to mention toorcamp to you... |
| 20:40.52 | MatthewWilkes | lh: It wasn't that, it was just that it was so unexpected. Felt too much like segregation for my tastes |
| 20:40.53 | lh | to be honest, one of my ways to watch if the economy is going south is counting the number of white people working in service and retail. |
| 20:41.05 | lh | that number goes up long before the economists start preaching gloom, doom and recession. |
| 20:41.17 | lh | at least in the USA and the parts i frequent. |
| 20:41.32 | impl | Hmm, that's interesting |
| 20:41.42 | impl | will start watching that |
| 20:41.48 | isforinsects | scorche: yeah, that's my silo :( |
| 20:41.52 | isforinsects | Oh wells |
| 20:41.56 | isforinsects | I'm just glad tha tsomeone's doing it |
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| 20:42.24 | pygi | lh, can I get op so I could kick ajuonline ? |
| 20:42.28 | impl | MatthewWilkes: A lot of the US is de-facto segregated. You would probably be appalled by our public schools. |
| 20:42.28 | pygi | just for fun, please, please, please :D |
| 20:42.29 | pygi | ? |
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| 20:42.50 | scorche | "your" silo?...i distinctly remember plans including me in renting this place a year ago =P |
| 20:42.59 | ajuonline | lol pygi :D |
| 20:43.01 | lh | pygi: no you cant, i like ajuonline |
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| 20:43.13 | pygi | lh, but but :'( |
| 20:43.13 | lh | scorche: i couldn't find one that suited all our needs |
| 20:43.18 | lh | that plan is on the drawing board |
| 20:43.27 | ajuonline | pats pygi the kid |
| 20:43.35 | ajuonline | :P |
| 20:43.35 | straydawg | did someone say something about living in a missile silo? |
| 20:43.36 | pygi | you little! |
| 20:43.41 | impl | kid, like, goat? |
| 20:43.44 | straydawg | signs up! |
| 20:43.44 | scorche | isforinsects: much more than a year ago, it seems |
| 20:43.47 | straydawg | invites himself |
| 20:43.48 | scorche | lh: i see |
| 20:43.49 | Crofton|work | there is a cave for sale on ebay |
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| 20:44.12 | lil_Toady | living in a missle silo? |
| 20:44.12 | impl | straydawg: There was an old military testing ground that included a missile silo for sale on eBay about a year ago |
| 20:44.18 | straydawg | impl: arrr |
| 20:44.20 | lil_Toady | must've overrun even soviet russia |
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| 20:44.39 | isforinsects | impl: it's now for rent |
| 20:44.39 | straydawg | impl: no-one would give you any shit if you'd live in one of those |
| 20:44.40 | lh | straydawg: upi |
| 20:44.44 | lh | eugh |
| 20:44.45 | isforinsects | Or was |
| 20:44.56 | straydawg | lh: mm? |
| 20:45.01 | lh | straydawg: you're invited. this plan is a subset of the costa rican hacker colony plan(tm) |
| 20:45.03 | impl | I would definitely live in a missile silo. |
| 20:45.06 | scorche | lh: i am now willing to settle for a hacker commune sans-silo |
| 20:45.11 | lh | straydawg: poor typing |
| 20:45.13 | straydawg | lh: ! |
| 20:45.28 | straydawg | lh: hooray for such plans!@ |
| 20:45.33 | lh | scorche: okay now you're talking. i think we wait for the world economy to tank for real, then we move. |
| 20:45.34 | Landon | costa rica? |
| 20:45.39 | Landon | I thought we were getting a whole island |
| 20:45.40 | Landon | :( |
| 20:45.45 | lh | calculates 5 year opex at 5M, including buildout |
| 20:45.52 | lh | Landon: i never suggested an island. |
| 20:46.16 | MatthewWilkes | impl: See, we have problems in that regard, richer areas tending to be more white than poorer ones, ignorant racists airing their opinions, etc, but it's nowhere near as bad as what I've seen scratching the surface of the usa |
| 20:46.20 | scorche | lh: well, i am student now, so i will likely be failing on the financial aspect of the colony |
| 20:46.26 | Landon | well, I'll be on my island, sending smoke signals |
| 20:46.32 | isforinsects | scorche: have you seen seasteading? |
| 20:46.52 | lh | scorche: you can help me make the drinks |
| 20:47.00 | scorche | isforinsects: yup |
| 20:47.09 | scorche | lh: only as long as i can drink a few too |
| 20:47.09 | lh | impl: it can get really yucky here. |
| 20:47.18 | lh | impl: i think it is getting better tho |
| 20:47.29 | lh | scorche: sure, and you can help me in the vegetable garden too. |
| 20:47.43 | scorche | my thumbs arent too green |
| 20:48.00 | Arc | lh: when can we no longer edit student app templates? |
| 20:48.04 | lh | scorche: you can lift heavy things then |
| 20:48.07 | scorche | isforinsects: less feasible for our purposes though |
| 20:48.15 | scorche | lh: if i must... |
| 20:48.16 | Arc | is that getting closed off this afternoon or do we have another week+? |
| 20:48.17 | isforinsects | scorche: unless you know people on the board... |
| 20:48.25 | isforinsects | scorche: when are you going to come visit boston anyway? |
| 20:48.29 | lh | Arc: you can edit them in your org profile after org is accepted, but not until then once apps close in 1 hrish |
| 20:48.38 | impl | lh: yeah, I grew up in North Carolina so we get the whole 9 yards of racial injustice training here |
| 20:48.45 | lh | impl: oy. |
| 20:48.45 | scorche | isforinsects: ugh...do you know how many people i need to go visit? |
| 20:48.51 | lh | i am not sure how much that stuff helps either. |
| 20:48.55 | isforinsects | I may or may not have some interesting arm stuff to show you |
| 20:49.02 | impl | lh: I don't think it does |
| 20:49.04 | lh | but then again, i grew up in CA |
| 20:49.11 | impl | It just makes people think about it way too much |
| 20:49.14 | scorche | isforinsects: arm stuff made the blogs |
| 20:49.15 | borja | waves to everyone, after just lurking for a while |
| 20:49.18 | borja | waves to lh |
| 20:49.21 | lh | impl: sometimes i think we should all just talk about our preconceptions instead of hiding them. |
| 20:49.24 | Arc | lh: ok good :-) thanks |
| 20:49.26 | lh | borja: rock on, welcome! |
| 20:49.29 | MatthewWilkes | greetings borja! |
| 20:49.29 | lh | Arc: all good |
| 20:49.43 | lh | borja: we'll get your blog post published next week |
| 20:49.47 | scorche | this summer i have plans for seattle, .eu, vegas, new york, etc...and i need to visit lh's couch too....plus apparently you guys in Boston =P |
| 20:49.47 | borja | lh: I have made it a goal to actually spend more time on IRC this year |
| 20:49.56 | Arc | we're still discussing the template on the PSF mentors list, a lot of needs to synth |
| 20:50.02 | phillipadsmith | lh: will the number of applicants be announced after the submission is closed? |
| 20:50.09 | lh | scorche: we have a futon for you if you are against the free couch |
| 20:50.11 | lh | phillipadsmith: yes |
| 20:50.17 | Arc | btw, I just have to say, the interface this year is *extremely* impressive |
| 20:50.23 | phillipadsmith | lh: schweet -- excited to hear. |
| 20:50.26 | lh | Arc: thank the melange developer team |
| 20:50.28 | phillipadsmith | :-) |
| 20:50.33 | MatthewWilkes | scorche: Remember to stop in here when you've got your itinerary, if you're stopping by bristol there's a pint waiting for you |
| 20:50.34 | scorche | lh: i am fine with floor too....either way, i need to visit lots of people this summer |
| 20:50.46 | borja | lh: (re: blog post) cool! |
| 20:50.51 | lh | scorche: futon more comfortable. and nicer blankies thereon |
| 20:51.13 | isforinsects | is lh a bostonite? |
| 20:51.21 | scorche | nay |
| 20:51.24 | isforinsects | nope |
| 20:51.30 | isforinsects | I see whois now |
| 20:51.31 | lh | isforinsects: lh is a silicon valleyite |
| 20:51.42 | scorche | MatthewWilkes: unlikely...though London might be on the list |
| 20:52.02 | manus_eiffel | google ical |
| 20:52.03 | lh | borja: this post is frickin fantastic. |
| 20:52.08 | borja | blushes |
| 20:52.09 | lh | <3 |
| 20:52.11 | lh | thank you!! |
| 20:52.15 | manus_eiffel | Sorry, will the calendar be fixed? |
| 20:52.24 | lh | manus_eiffel: it has been fixed as far as we know |
| 20:52.29 | lh | are you having trouble for some reason? |
| 20:52.33 | manus_eiffel | great, I just need to redownload it |
| 20:53.08 | scorche | i really need to plan my summer out so that i can visit all the people whose couches i need to visit... |
| 20:53.10 | MatthewWilkes | scorche: Ah, not in London much anymore. I wish I was there more, lunch at the palace of westminster rocks. Great food, stupidly cheap |
| 20:53.12 | borja | lh: you're very welcome; I hope it encourages other GSoC-ers to spread the love |
| 20:53.25 | lh | so useful. i love useful. |
| 20:53.46 | scorche | MatthewWilkes: not stupidly cheap for people used to the USD...though it has gotten better since i was there last summer |
| 20:53.51 | isforinsects | lj, I follow you on twitter already |
| 20:53.55 | isforinsects | just didn't make the connection |
| 20:54.02 | isforinsects | s/lj/lh |
| 20:54.06 | lh | goes to get ready for meeting |
| 20:54.11 | lh | isforinsects: i know, i follow you too |
| 20:54.31 | scorche | isforinsects: so i assume ARM goodness refers to -1.5? |
| 20:54.39 | MatthewWilkes | scorche: Even at the height at the differences, 6USD for roast duck is pretty damn good |
| 20:54.51 | scorche | MatthewWilkes: oh wow... |
| 20:55.09 | WinterMute | $6 for roast duck! |
| 20:55.22 | MatthewWilkes | scorche: Parliament gets all sort of tax breaks, one of my friends works there so get in there a lot |
| 20:55.32 | WinterMute | oh |
| 20:55.39 | WinterMute | is jealous |
| 20:55.41 | MatthewWilkes | 'cos it's technically a palace and the royal family aren't obliged to pay tax |
| 20:56.04 | xzilla | i think the roast duck in bejing costs more than that... |
| 20:56.21 | MatthewWilkes | and remember, that's at the old rates |
| 20:56.36 | MatthewWilkes | more like $4.20 now |
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| 20:56.43 | xorAxAx | hmm, the royal family doesnt pay taxes ... is there a rational reason? |
| 20:57.08 | danderson | well, they have a game genie, obviously |
| 20:57.08 | xzilla | xorAxAx: its good to be king |
| 20:57.08 | MatthewWilkes | xorAxAx: Because they are legally the same as the state. In recent years they've opted to pay income tax though |
| 20:57.09 | danderson | duh |
| 20:57.34 | isforinsects | scorche: 2.0 |
| 20:57.36 | xorAxAx | sounds like a deliberately engineered loophole |
| 20:57.45 | manus_eiffel | I see a presentation in Zurich on the 19th, is it specific to the OLAT project or general to GSOC? |
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| 20:57.57 | scorche | isforinsects: oh dear...really interesting ARM stuff then =) |
| 20:58.03 | SRabbelier | durin42: no I'm not on the mentor list :) |
| 20:59.58 | lh | manus_eiffel: it is about both. |
| 21:00.34 | manus_eiffel | lh: so if we are selected, we could team up with Joel Fisler to present our project too? |
| 21:00.44 | MatthewWilkes | xorAxAx: Of course it's a deliberately engineered loophole |
| 21:00.50 | manus_eiffel | or should we do our own presentation? |
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| 21:01.16 | danderson | awesome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPKWCVUu1xc |
| 21:01.23 | danderson | apologies to #melange folks for repasting :) |
| 21:01.34 | lh | manus_eiffel: fine by me, ask joel. you are of course welcome to do your own, but we prefer if they are not proejct specific. you're welcome to talk about your project, but not to the exclusion of all else. |
| 21:02.15 | manus_eiffel | lh: I'll contact Joel and see with him then. |
| 21:02.22 | lh | manus_eiffel: ++ |
| 21:02.25 | lh | steps afk |
| 21:02.30 | scorche | ugh...why am i up? |
| 21:02.57 | scorche | goes to sleep before going out into the night once again |
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| 21:22.17 | mdc | webchick: how's life? :) |
| 21:25.05 | ajuonline | mdc: yo! :) |
| 21:25.13 | webchick | Hey. :) Not bad! |
| 21:25.17 | webchick | how are you, mdc? :D |
| 21:25.34 | mdc | I'm doing alright :) |
| 21:25.38 | mdc | hi ajuonline :) |
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| 21:27.30 | glaksmono | hello hello.. good morning |
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| 21:27.40 | glaksmono | any mentors interested in giving talks about GSoC at CSULA? |
| 21:27.55 | zooko | Hey, someone who would probably be a good mentor just volunteered to mentor for my project. |
| 21:27.56 | glaksmono | is going to host GSoC info talk.. |
| 21:28.06 | zooko | I guess I can't edit my application to add him. |
| 21:28.07 | glaksmono | zooko: what's your project? |
| 21:28.07 | zooko | tries. |
| 21:28.09 | zooko | tahoe |
| 21:28.15 | glaksmono | wew.. that's nice |
| 21:28.28 | zooko | http://allmydata.org/trac/tahoe/wiki/GSoCIdeas |
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| 21:29.44 | manus_eiffel | Is anyone presenting GSOC at UCSB ? |
| 21:30.15 | ajuonline | get someone to present over a video call :) |
| 21:30.25 | ajuonline | i am sure, you can have plenty then :) |
| 21:30.40 | Jeff_S | manus_eiffel: you are at ucsb? :) |
| 21:30.50 | glaksmono | is going at CSULA :P |
| 21:30.55 | glaksmono | going to present GSoC but looking for mentors now |
| 21:30.59 | glaksmono | anyone around here..? |
| 21:31.08 | glaksmono | was a student last year |
| 21:31.15 | danderson | okay, need nomenclature help |
| 21:31.17 | manus_eiffel | Jeff_S: I'm very close to it |
| 21:31.24 | danderson | what would you call a thingy that connects two pipes? |
| 21:31.34 | danderson | (in a program, but a real world term will do) |
| 21:31.35 | Jeff_S | manus_eiffel: oh, I was a student (and then employee) there |
| 21:31.48 | glaksmono | lol |
| 21:32.18 | Jeff_S | danderson: coupling ? |
| 21:33.15 | danderson | hmmm |
| 21:33.18 | danderson | Jeff_S: thanks |
| 21:33.25 | glaksmono | is also looking for interesting projects :P |
| 21:33.32 | danderson | wikipedia suggests a nipple, and I'm not sure if I'll be able to resist instanciating nipples. |
| 21:33.40 | Landon | o.O |
| 21:33.53 | manus_eiffel | Jeff_S: you are still around SB? |
| 21:33.57 | danderson | yeah, it's stupid, but I'm tired |
| 21:34.00 | danderson | so I can be silly |
| 21:34.03 | Jeff_S | manus_eiffel: no, I'm in oregon now |
| 21:34.15 | Jeff_S | manus_eiffel: but I miss SB on occasion :) |
| 21:34.17 | Landon | danderson: real world don't adapters connect pipes ? :P |
| 21:34.20 | manus_eiffel | Jeff_S: I'm sure |
| 21:35.35 | danderson | real world it's a coupling, or in plumbing specifically, a nipple :) |
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| 21:39.06 | Jeff_S | danderson: keep away from my nipples... :) |
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| 21:40.32 | glaksmono | i guess there's no mentors around los angeles eh..? |
| 21:40.38 | glaksmono | i should be the first one then.. :-? |
| 21:40.41 | glaksmono | hahah |
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| 21:41.09 | l0nwlf | gloob_: what project will you be mentoring ? |
| 21:41.25 | l0nwlf | s/gloob_ /glaksmono LOL |
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| 21:47.20 | glaksmono | l0nwlf: idk.. i thought i could be one..? |
| 21:47.46 | l0nwlf | glaksmono: :) |
| 21:47.50 | glaksmono | l0nwlf: sorry i was reading news.. hehe.. about this Google Voice.. |
| 21:47.58 | glaksmono | l0nwlf: are you a mentor..? |
| 21:48.10 | l0nwlf | glaksmono: best of luck |
| 21:48.27 | l0nwlf | glaksmono: no , i'm a student |
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| 21:50.40 | glaksmono | l0nwlf: ah i c.. i was a student last year too.. |
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| 21:54.25 | Catfish_Man | brb |
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| 21:54.41 | l0nwlf | glaksmono: and you are thementor for the same organization |
| 21:55.14 | l0nwlf | glaksmono: pm ? |
| 21:55.19 | danderson | EPIC FAIL |
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| 21:55.27 | danderson | I add one thread, and my program deadlocks. |
| 21:55.37 | mercutioviz | I've saved my organization's application on the site. Is there something else to "submit" it or am I good to go? :) |
| 21:56.06 | glaksmono | l0nwlf: no |
| 21:56.20 | l0nwlf | glaksmono: ok :) |
| 21:56.57 | homunq | mercutioviz: good to go |
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| 21:57.11 | mercutioviz | homunq: many thanks! |
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| 21:57.23 | homunq | all "saved" applications automatically "submit" at the deadline |
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| 21:58.14 | homunq | glaksmono: are you a freelance mentor? /me confused. |
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| 22:02.11 | manus_eiffel | how many applicants now that it is finally over? |
| 22:03.05 | evilcad | 3 |
| 22:03.11 | WinterMute | lol |
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| 22:03.39 | welterde | WinterMute: being i2p, tor and wesnoth ;P |
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| 22:04.09 | LinuxRockz | pfffffft |
| 22:05.22 | evilcad | unfortunately, there's only funding for one slot, so it's going to be a project to make wesnoth only work over an invisible network that is only accessible via tor |
| 22:06.37 | WinterMute | that would be cool |
| 22:06.54 | WinterMute | sombody should make that for the good of the world :p |
| 22:07.15 | welterde | WinterMute: we already have at least one game that works via i2p :P |
| 22:07.26 | welterde | (but well.. not "only") |
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| 22:14.29 | chx | I know this is obvious but the networking possibilites during a mentor summit are colossal benefits of this program. Just now I mailed someone I really needed and I could mail him easily 'cos we met and talked at the summit. Yay. |
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| 22:27.11 | drycafe | hi - if someone is an org admin here, can you confirm that the "List My Organization Applications" link in the Melange app is gone now? |
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| 22:27.29 | drycafe | at least it's gone for me, which makes me nervous |
| 22:27.40 | andrewcshafer | hello |
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| 22:28.17 | andrewcshafer | I'm creating an application for GSoC, and I have a few questions. |
| 22:28.32 | Catfish_Man | as an organization or a student? |
| 22:28.38 | andrewcshafer | org |
| 22:28.47 | Catfish_Man | isn't it a bit late for that? |
| 22:29.30 | andrewcshafer | I thought the site said the 13th was the deadline. |
| 22:29.34 | LinuxRockz | or a big head start on next year |
| 22:29.38 | Catfish_Man | it is the 13th |
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| 22:30.07 | welterde | drycafe: gone here too |
| 22:30.15 | schumaml | and the deadline was 19:00 utc, extended due to a calendar bug |
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| 22:30.21 | leto | i think the deadline passed about 30mins ago, which was already extended from noon due to timezone confusion |
| 22:30.33 | MatthewWilkes | andrewcshafer: Yes, the 13th at 1900 GMT, extended until 2200 GMT due to an error in the calendar |
| 22:30.34 | MatthewWilkes | (it's 2230 GMT atm) |
| 22:30.40 | leto | noon PDT, that is |
| 22:31.09 | drycafe | welterde: thanks, so at least I'm not the only one ... |
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| 22:31.57 | dudrenov` | Hello, does one have have to be enrolled as a student in an academic institution to be able to particapate in gsoc? |
| 22:31.59 | andrewcshafer | Where do you see the time and timezone? |
| 22:32.00 | MatthewWilkes | Someone should change the /topic |
| 22:32.09 | leto | dudrenov: yes |
| 22:32.10 | MatthewWilkes | Catfish_Man: hm, you have ops. ^^^^ |
| 22:32.13 | schumaml | ~timeline |
| 22:32.21 | dudrenov` | What about people that study on their own? |
| 22:32.29 | cpayan | heh, yes a topic change would make sense. |
| 22:32.29 | schumaml | hm |
| 22:32.39 | schumaml | didn't the bot react to ~? |
| 22:32.43 | Landon | dudrenov`: I think it has to be an accredited institution |
| 22:32.45 | Catfish_Man | Mentoring Organizations Have Applied! - Read the GSoC 2009 Site User's Guide http://tinyurl.com/gsoc09userguide - Updated Flyers & Program Presentations now the Wiki - Upload your screen casts, etc. to our YouTube Channel (details on mentors and students list) - Help Us Test the GSoC 2009 site: http://tinyurl.com/melangetesters - This channel is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 22:32.45 | leto | dudrenov: as a student that is. Mentors do not have to be. |
| 22:32.47 | Catfish_Man | er |
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| 22:32.50 | *** topic/#gsoc by Catfish_Man -> Mentoring Organizations Have Applied! - Read the GSoC 2009 Site User's Guide http://tinyurl.com/gsoc09userguide - Updated Flyers & Program Presentations now the Wiki - Upload your screen casts, etc. to our YouTube Channel (details on mentors and students list) - Help Us Test the GSoC 2009 site: http://tinyurl.com/melangetesters - This channel is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
| 22:32.53 | Landon | schumaml: looks like ibot is gone |
| 22:32.59 | Landon | !timeline |
| 22:32.59 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline, or (#2) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 22:33.02 | MatthewWilkes | Catfish_Man: Awesome, thanks |
| 22:33.05 | Catfish_Man | np |
| 22:33.06 | leto | dudrenov: what do you mean "study on your own" ? |
| 22:33.30 | dudrenov` | So if you are self tought. and try to learn on your own yau can't particapate. |
| 22:33.46 | anothy_x | sure you can. just not as a student. |
| 22:33.50 | dudrenov` | learn from books without actually having the chance to go to school |
| 22:33.51 | leto | dudrenov: you can always be a mentor |
| 22:34.22 | dudrenov` | I would go for the learning experience. I doubt I'm at a level of mentoring anyone. |
| 22:34.50 | schumaml | dudrenov`: there's no way to verify that they are studying |
| 22:35.20 | anothy_x | regardless, google's rules say you need to be enrolled at an institution. |
| 22:35.24 | dudrenov` | lieing at an application is the wrong way to start :( |
| 22:35.26 | anothy_x | (institutionalized?) |
| 22:35.35 | hkBst | dudrenov`: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#student_eligibility http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#not_eligible |
| 22:35.44 | leto | dudrenov: I agree that it sucks for people that genuinely are completely self-taught, but Google has no way of verifying that they are a student. And if you are totally self-taught, do you really need a mentor? |
| 22:35.50 | schumaml | granted, being enrolled does not mean that they do study, either... |
| 22:36.28 | dudrenov` | leto: yes, and no. |
| 22:36.48 | dudrenov` | leto: But anything to help me get better. |
| 22:37.21 | MatthewWilkes | dudrenov`: The point of GSoC is to encourage people at universities to become involved in open source. There is another programme, GHOP, that encourages school children to do the same. There is currently no programme that I know of anywhere that awards stipends to people to become involved in open source. |
| 22:37.31 | MatthewWilkes | dudrenov`: If you find an org you like the look of and approach them individually they might be willing to assign you a mentor, but you'd get no cash for it, and you'd not be considered part of SoC |
| 22:37.41 | cpayan | anothy_x, institutionalized :D |
| 22:37.52 | leto | dudrenov: there are lots more ways to get involved this summer even if you are not a student or mentor. You just don't get paid or get a free t-shirt. But it seems that learning is your main focus, so that should not be a problem. |
| 22:38.09 | leto | dudrenov: which orgs did you want to be a student for? |
| 22:38.14 | dudrenov` | I'd do it for free |
| 22:38.22 | dudrenov` | I'd ask for no money or sponsorship, heh. |
| 22:39.02 | dudrenov` | It's hard to find people that have to deal with their own daily routines to dadicate time to mentor you. |
| 22:39.11 | schumaml | then approach an organization |
| 22:39.24 | dudrenov` | leto: gambit-c scheme |
| 22:39.28 | schumaml | just don't expect them to drop a soc student |
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| 22:39.53 | Landon | schumaml: plenty of projects, more than funded slots :) |
| 22:40.24 | Landon | I dont think many orgs would be against someone collaborating with a student on a certain project as well |
| 22:41.08 | schumaml | Landon: well, just the soc rules, afaik |
| 22:41.11 | dudrenov` | I think that I'll stick to books. |
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| 22:41.44 | anothy_x | schumanl: i don't think the rules are against colaboration. |
| 22:42.03 | anothy_x | in fact, if i remember right, the question on "can groups apply as a student" (or whatever it was) explicitly said it was okay. |
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| 22:42.46 | leto | dudrenov: interact with the communities that you are interested in, that is my best advice. You can learn a lot through osmosis. |
| 22:42.47 | cpayan | How soon should we expect a list of the accepted organizations? |
| 22:42.56 | leto | cpayan: March 18th |
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| 22:43.03 | borja | !timeline |
| 22:43.03 | socinfo | "timeline" is (#1) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline, or (#2) http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
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| 22:43.12 | cpayan | leto, thank you |
| 22:43.27 | schumaml | let's see the faq... |
| 22:43.29 | cpayan | borja, ty, too |
| 22:43.54 | leto | cpayan: the timeline says ~Noon PDT 18. March |
| 22:43.59 | leto | cpayan: no prob |
| 22:44.06 | borja | cpayan: np |
| 22:44.15 | smtms | leto, the first or the second one? :-P |
| 22:44.37 | schumaml | anothy_x: no. |
| 22:44.41 | cpayan | Yea, I'm checking out the timeline too. Better grab my calendar before I forget to write these things down :) |
| 22:44.42 | homunq | anothy_x: no. |
| 22:45.01 | anothy_x | does google get the extra three hours to announce, now that they extended the submission deadline for us? ;-) |
| 22:45.05 | anothy_x | hrm. lemme see... |
| 22:45.17 | schumaml | "No, only an individual may work on a given project. Of course, students should feel free to collaborate with others to accomplish their project goals." |
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| 22:45.29 | anothy_x | right, that's what i was thinking of. |
| 22:45.36 | homunq | schumaml: (sorry, you beat me) |
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| 22:46.17 | cpayan | Would have been interesting to let, say, a chapter of ACM apply all together, stipend going into chapter funds. |
| 22:46.18 | anothy_x | er, wait, so why the "no"? |
| 22:47.00 | homunq | "only an individual may work on a given project" |
| 22:47.12 | homunq | that is, there is one person responsible, one person paid |
| 22:47.21 | anothy_x | right, but "students should feel free to collaborate with others". |
| 22:47.35 | anothy_x | right. but the earlier question was explicitly about colaboration. |
| 22:47.50 | russellb | that could put an additional burden on mentors, though |
| 22:48.09 | russellb | working with a lot more people, helping them to understand things ... |
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| 22:48.30 | anothy_x | potentially. or it could make it easier, depending on who the student is colaborating with. |
| 22:48.33 | danderson | collaborating with others from the project. |
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| 22:48.43 | danderson | It specifically doesn't apply to farming out your work to other people. |
| 22:49.14 | mdc | notes that it is Friday afternoon, almost 7pm on the right coast of the US of A :) |
| 22:49.20 | schumaml | "*Do my soc project for xxx gold in WoW*" |
| 22:49.38 | anothy_x | heh. no, clearly that's not the intent. |
| 22:49.45 | homunq | if you can get people to help you test, or review your code, that is great. Good open-source skills. But you are the coder in the end. |
| 22:49.53 | danderson | so, just to sum things up |
| 22:49.59 | danderson | 1. you should apply alone |
| 22:50.10 | danderson | 2. you may collaborate with folks from your project, obviously |
| 22:50.23 | danderson | 3. recruiting victims for testing/review/etc. is fine |
| 22:50.42 | danderson | 4. the code at the end should be 95% yours |
| 22:51.11 | danderson | ie. you should be able to say "I wrote this" without lying (maybe adding "well, Brian over there did this little tweak, but other than that...") |
| 22:51.27 | smtms | danderson, when modifying existing code? |
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| 22:51.57 | MatthewWilkes | smtms: "this" applies to the diffs in that case ;) |
| 22:52.00 | danderson | smtms: then the code that is produced during SoC should be your own. |
| 22:52.01 | anothy_x | that all sounds like what i was expecting. i guess there's some ambiguity over the "colaboration" in #2. i think of #3 as a particular form of colaboration. |
| 22:52.19 | danderson | collaboration is in fact too strong |
| 22:52.25 | danderson | it's more cooperation/coordination with the community |
| 22:52.37 | danderson | not collaboration as in pair programming or project groups |
| 22:52.58 | schumaml | there#s still time to fix this before the hordes of students do arrive |
| 22:53.18 | cpayan | waves <- horde-member |
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| 22:53.21 | anothy_x | cooperation/coordination does make it more clear, but then things like #3 would require explicit exemptions. |
| 22:53.24 | danderson | lh should be the one to review this kind of change |
| 22:53.30 | schumaml | and this has come up a few times in the past years, iirc |
| 22:53.38 | danderson | I'm not sure what kind of review things need to go through to change this stuff |
| 22:53.51 | danderson | lh: ping when you're around with time |
| 22:53.55 | anothy_x | personally, i'd suggest leaving "colaboration", but making the expectation, as you just stated it, of this being *your* code and *your* project, explicit in that answer. |
| 22:54.16 | Goundy | good night everybody |
| 22:54.18 | Goundy | see you later |
| 22:55.24 | homunq | cpayan: you are more a horde scout. |
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| 22:56.26 | homunq | I was supposed to be the backup admin for my application |
| 22:57.48 | pygi | homunq, poke lh when she's back me thinks |
| 22:57.48 | MatthewWilkes | hopes the Zope Foundation used a non-intuitive link_id |
| 22:57.50 | pygi | or rather! |
| 22:57.52 | pygi | send her mail |
| 22:57.53 | MatthewWilkes | Getting 404 from trying to look at "zope", makes me feel sad inside |
| 22:58.15 | pygi | MatthewWilkes, why would they use non-intuitive link_id? |
| 22:58.45 | homunq | pygi: only she has power to swap main admin and backup admin? Seems like an unnecessary bottleneck |
| 22:58.46 | MatthewWilkes | pygi: I dunno, but if it's "zope" they didn't apply |
| 22:58.47 | lh | what's up? |
| 22:58.48 | MatthewWilkes | no application afaict |
| 22:59.05 | lh | homunq: file a bug if you want this fixed. and i don't have the power to do that either. |
| 22:59.09 | homunq | if I were her I'd rather say "tough titties" than |
| 22:59.11 | homunq | ... |
| 22:59.13 | homunq | yup |
| 22:59.20 | homunq | :) |
| 22:59.36 | lh | MatthewWilkes: zope did apply |
| 22:59.41 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Yay! :) |
| 22:59.47 | pygi | homunq, see, only devs have the power :p |
| 22:59.50 | lh | 395 org apps total |
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| 23:00.01 | zooko | Just swap driver's licences. |
| 23:00.25 | lh | pygi: it involves a data store change and the melange BDFL doesn't want everyone mucking about in the data store |
| 23:00.30 | lh | and rightly so |
| 23:00.54 | homunq | zooko: happy to. But gmail accounts? that's personal. |
| 23:00.56 | homunq | :) |
| 23:01.03 | zooko | :-) |
| 23:02.43 | pygi | lh, I am not sure I am listening to you today, you didn't defend me :( |
| 23:02.46 | pygi | I feel disappointed.... |
| 23:04.54 | lh | defend you from what? |
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| 23:06.12 | homunq | and mchua will just handle it... if I |
| 23:06.18 | freebsdgirl | lh: house is safe. |
| 23:06.33 | homunq | 'm not there in realtime to get the email, she will see the app accepted/rejected soon enough. |
| 23:06.52 | lh | freebsdgirl: that's good. |
| 23:06.52 | mchua | homunq: hi - sorry, I'm spread a bit thin getting a dozen people going on projects here |
| 23:07.00 | lh | freebsdgirl: as soon as i file some bugs i can get on the road |
| 23:07.14 | impl | You can look at submitted org apps? |
| 23:07.20 | homunq | mchua: the answer was "go talk to the devs if you want to change" |
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| 23:07.26 | impl | I mean, ones that you didn't submit yourself |
| 23:07.34 | homunq | which to me means "no" and is OK. |
| 23:08.40 | Lennie | nn |
| 23:09.09 | homunq | impl: yes, if you know the link id |
| 23:09.23 | homunq | not the whole app, but most of it |
| 23:09.28 | impl | http://socghop.appspot.com/org_app/list <-- aww :) |
| 23:09.59 | impl | hehe |
| 23:10.31 | lh | fascinating |
| 23:10.36 | homunq | yeah. we can't see the list. but http://socghop.appspot.com/org_app/show/google/gsoc2009/sugarlabs works for all. |
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| 23:10.48 | lh | impl: file a security bug for me will you please? or can you not see that page? if not, good. :) |
| 23:10.58 | homunq | we can't see it |
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| 23:11.03 | impl | lh: I can't |
| 23:11.06 | lh | hallelujah! |
| 23:11.11 | impl | It says I have to sign in as a site developer :) |
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| 23:11.16 | lh | my sekrit list remains sekrit |
| 23:11.16 | MatthewWilkes | impl: You can see partial info if you know the link id though |
| 23:11.41 | impl | MatthewWilkes: Indeed |
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| 23:11.54 | MatthewWilkes | lh: basically, the "show" view is open |
| 23:11.54 | MatthewWilkes | svn ups and takes a look |
| 23:12.06 | impl | wanted to make sure his group's got in okay |
| 23:12.11 | homunq | MatthewWilkes: I already said all this |
| 23:13.03 | homunq | (and I even got to plug my project / app) |
| 23:13.23 | MatthewWilkes | homunq: Didn't say you didn't |
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| 23:18.05 | lh | MatthewWilkes: that is fine |
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| 23:20.51 | mdc | "The spice must flow." |
| 23:21.01 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Really? |
| 23:21.53 | impl | okay guys, get your bots ready. we're starting at org_app/show/google/gsoc2009/a and going to org_app/show/google/gsoc2009/zzzzzzzzzzzz! |
| 23:21.57 | lh | MatthewWilkes: if by show view you mean you can navigate to apps you submitted, that's ok by me. what did you mean by show view? |
| 23:22.07 | lh | impl: don't you have anything better to do? |
| 23:22.22 | impl | I need to pack, actually, yeah :P |
| 23:22.26 | danderson | impl: also, you will cost oney and annoy people |
| 23:22.29 | danderson | so, don't do it :) |
| 23:22.42 | impl | didn't intend on doing so :P |
| 23:22.46 | MatthewWilkes | lh: I mean navigate to apps other people submitted |
| 23:22.50 | mdc | ( I'm almost certain he was kidding :) ) |
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| 23:22.58 | danderson | so am I |
| 23:23.06 | danderson | I just wanted to make sure nobody gets stupid ideas :) |
| 23:23.32 | homunq | it would take until the singularity for his bot to finish, anyway. |
| 23:24.01 | mdc | If we could somehow use people's love of stupid ideas as an energy source... somehow channel them into a force for good....... |
| 23:24.13 | homunq | 27^12. |
| 23:24.16 | lh | MatthewWilkes: not good, please file a bug |
| 23:24.38 | homunq | oh really? I thought that was intended. |
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| 23:25.09 | homunq | I've put our show url out on our IRC and ML. |
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| 23:27.03 | mdc | needs more .5 tea .5 lemonde... |
| 23:27.04 | MatthewWilkes | lh: I'd rather submit a patch, will go for bug if I can't in the next hour or so though |
| 23:27.56 | lh | MatthewWilkes: you rock, thank you!! |
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| 23:31.47 | homunq | wonders why the "show" view doesn't include ideas page... |
| 23:32.13 | lh | homunq: because accepted orgs create a home page with that kind of information :) |
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| 23:37.47 | MatthewWilkes | Hmm, that would explain why the lappy was slow today |
| 23:37.56 | MatthewWilkes | Was still running a test on the cluster config for a site at work |
| 23:38.28 | MatthewWilkes | App designed to run on a beasty 8 core server was running on my 2 core laptop |
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| 23:39.35 | icy | hm google calc uses lg for logarithmus dualis, shouldn't that be ld? just noticed... |
| 23:40.27 | chx | MatthewWilkes: poor laptop :p |
| 23:40.51 | xorAxAx | thats a matter of agreement, icy |
| 23:42.35 | icy | xorAxAx: log alone. but not lg, ld and ln right? |
| 23:43.10 | xorAxAx | hmm, i have never perceived lg to be special here, what would g mean=? |
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| 23:44.17 | icy | good question |
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| 23:46.25 | icy | at least there should be a ld, I had to try log and lg out to find the right one |
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| 23:49.22 | smtms | I think Knuth used lg for binary logarithm |
| 23:49.26 | xorAxAx | another important invention of the mathematicians is the lh, the hexa logarithm |
| 23:50.10 | xorAxAx | :) |
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| 23:50.25 | xorAxAx | (no, seriously, it doesnt exist :) |
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| 23:51.05 | Raim | icy: I think lg is a common function name for binary logarithm, although I find ld more natural |
| 23:51.44 | mdc_mobile | "life good" |
| 23:52.06 | icy | Raim: really? I've seen lg to be used with decimal logarithm mainly |
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| 23:52.42 | xorAxAx | and why all these different functions? because mathematicians cannot multiply by a constant factor |
| 23:52.43 | thiago_home | log(10) = 1 |
| 23:53.01 | thiago_home | lg(2) = 1 |
| 23:53.12 | thiago_home | ln(e) = 1 |
| 23:53.39 | thiago_home | mathematicians use ln, engineers use log |
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| 23:53.40 | icy | thiago_home: yea and I had a problem with lg ;) |
| 23:53.47 | thiago_home | or 10*log or 20*log |
| 23:54.25 | icy | "mathematicians use ln, engineers use log" wtf? |
| 23:54.37 | Landon | heh |
| 23:54.44 | Landon | truefact |
| 23:54.55 | Landon | I've never seen an ln-ln graph |
| 23:54.58 | _dr | engineers call i j |
| 23:55.05 | thiago_home | of course. i is current |
| 23:55.07 | xorAxAx | _dr: yep :-( |
| 23:55.10 | thiago_home | therefore j = sqrt(-1) |
| 23:55.23 | Landon | but then |
| 23:55.26 | icy | those crazy bastards |
| 23:55.35 | Landon | computery people think oct 31 == dec 25 |
| 23:55.36 | Landon | :) |
| 23:55.42 | Landon | loonies |
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| 23:55.44 | mdc_mobile | "off with their heads!" |
| 23:55.56 | xorAxAx | off is their jmagjnatjon |
| 23:56.03 | icy | haha |
| 23:56.42 | mdc_mobile | dinnertime |
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| 23:57.07 | xorAxAx | but of course engineering allows for imaginary ideas ... in every dstep of design |
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| 23:57.37 | xorAxAx | but often life is limited to design and there is no time for art |
| 23:59.04 | xorAxAx | art in the sense of creative expression, not in the sense of compulsory enrichment of personal prestige via traded art pieces :-) |
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| 23:59.40 | xorAxAx | so what do we do ... |
| 23:59.52 | icy | same thing as every night |
| 23:59.55 | smtms | icy, it depends on the mathematical traditions of the country if lg is base 2 or base 10 |