| 00:00.20 | lh | up to 33 organization applications. woot! |
| 00:02.02 | Chainsaw | lh: We're among them, I think it went :) |
| 00:03.07 | lh | Chainsaw: yep, it's there |
| 00:03.16 | Chainsaw | Cool, thanks. |
| 00:03.31 | araujo | lh, hola! |
| 00:03.48 | araujo | notices lh been very busy today here |
| 00:03.51 | lh | araujo: hola amigo, como estas? |
| 00:03.55 | lh | araujo: un poco. :) |
| 00:04.00 | araujo | lh, muy bien amiga :) |
| 00:04.03 | ojwb | everyone's been very busy here today! |
| 00:04.04 | araujo | y tu? |
| 00:04.22 | lh | araujo: lo mismo |
| 00:04.47 | araujo | hands lh some tea and a flower for her to relax a bit |
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| 00:07.49 | lh | araujo: gracias mi amigo |
| 00:08.32 | lh | decides now is a good time to hit the road |
| 00:08.36 | lh | bbl y'all |
| 00:08.44 | ojwb | bye lh |
| 00:09.09 | Chainsaw | ttyl lh |
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| 00:15.07 | dberkholz | this google groups problem with disappearing pages sucks |
| 00:15.25 | dberkholz | i can't get to http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/notes-on-student-allocations |
| 00:17.32 | Chainsaw | dberkholz: I can get to it, you want a copy by e-mail? |
| 00:17.48 | araujo | haha |
| 00:17.51 | Chainsaw | dberkholz: It makes me a bit concerned though, it's talking about slot counts and I wasn't asked that question. |
| 00:17.52 | araujo | later lh |
| 00:18.08 | SRabbelier | Chainsaw: relax, we're not that far into the program at all :) |
| 00:18.17 | SRabbelier | Chainsaw: worry about getting accepted first, ;) |
| 00:18.43 | dberkholz | Chainsaw: not so badly, i can mostly remember what's on it ... |
| 00:18.59 | Chainsaw | Yeah, it's the same Apr 23 2007 document if that helps. |
| 00:19.49 | dberkholz | SRabbelier: any idea how much the app engine upgrade will improve speed? saw somewhere that it's supposed to help somewhat. |
| 00:20.52 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: probably none for Melange |
| 00:21.13 | SRabbelier | dberkholz: the real problem is that none of us has had the time to do any decent profiling and figure out how to make the app even faster |
| 00:21.19 | SRabbelier | (time and/or experience) |
| 00:21.43 | SRabbelier | anyway |
| 00:21.49 | SRabbelier | it's time for me to be off :) |
| 00:21.58 | SRabbelier | cya'll later :) |
| 00:22.01 | dberkholz | i'm heading to the science pub now |
| 00:22.04 | dberkholz | thx for the tips |
| 00:22.08 | SRabbelier | np :) |
| 00:22.19 | ojwb | dberkholz: lh said the app engine upgrade would help in her announcement |
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| 00:40.51 | mdc_mobile | is pleased to have finished the Etherboot Project GSoC mentoring organization application :) |
| 00:41.23 | Chainsaw | mdc_mobile: ^5 |
| 00:41.31 | Chainsaw | mdc_mobile: That makes at least 34. |
| 00:42.16 | mdc_mobile | Chainsaw: what org are you with? |
| 00:42.27 | Chainsaw | mdc_mobile: Atheme.org |
| 00:42.34 | Chainsaw | mdc_mobile: aka Audacious & friends |
| 00:43.07 | mdc_mobile | I find the name of the app engine interesting. "Melange" |
| 00:43.08 | mdc_mobile | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melange_(fictional_drug) |
| 00:43.40 | Catfish_Man | Dune is definitely worth reading if you haven't |
| 00:44.26 | ojwb | some of the sequels aren't so worth reading though |
| 00:44.35 | mdc_mobile | I enjoyed the movie, certainly. |
| 00:44.46 | mdc_mobile | Though I'm sure the book is even more engrossing. |
| 00:45.25 | mdc_mobile | Chainsaw: audacious looks like a cool app :) |
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| 00:45.55 | Chainsaw | mdc_mobile: It gets better every year :) |
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| 01:03.39 | GAdmiral_Matt | Hello all |
| 01:04.10 | Chainsaw | Afternoon admiral Matt. |
| 01:05.07 | GAdmiral_Matt | hello Chain |
| 01:05.15 | GAdmiral_Matt | or do you prefer chainsaw? |
| 01:05.26 | Chainsaw | Either way goes. |
| 01:05.32 | GAdmiral_Matt | sounds good |
| 01:05.43 | GAdmiral_Matt | I am a new one for this program |
| 01:05.58 | GAdmiral_Matt | do organizations have people on this ? |
| 01:06.15 | GAdmiral_Matt | or is this only for the SoCers? |
| 01:06.37 | Chainsaw | I'm applying for an organisation if that's what you mean. |
| 01:06.52 | Chainsaw | hopes to be administrating for Atheme.org |
| 01:06.59 | GAdmiral_Matt | awesome |
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| 01:07.12 | GAdmiral_Matt | I would like to contribute to possibly linux |
| 01:09.42 | Chainsaw | Linux as a project is fairly wide. |
| 01:09.49 | Chainsaw | Are you talking about the kernel or about other components? |
| 01:10.37 | GAdmiral_Matt | well I'd like to work on specific components considering that I've only had 5 years of programming experience but only 3 in java and 2 in c/++ |
| 01:10.55 | johndbritton | logs? |
| 01:10.57 | GAdmiral_Matt | I'm pretty good at fixing segmentation faults |
| 01:11.07 | GAdmiral_Matt | grettings John |
| 01:11.13 | GAdmiral_Matt | what about logs? |
| 01:11.36 | johndbritton | hello |
| 01:11.44 | johndbritton | i think i missed a message in this channel |
| 01:11.55 | GAdmiral_Matt | oh |
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| 01:18.12 | GAdmiral_Matt | I found the debian channel for summer of code |
| 01:18.16 | GAdmiral_Matt | but no one admins it yet |
| 01:18.48 | Chainsaw | Right now, organisations are applying. |
| 01:18.51 | GabeS | GAdmiral - once all of the organisations have applied, potential coders will get a chance to see what's available |
| 01:18.57 | Chainsaw | We won't know until later in March whether we are accepted. |
| 01:19.08 | GAdmiral_Matt | oh okay |
| 01:19.13 | GAdmiral_Matt | thanks for the heads up |
| 01:19.37 | Chainsaw | I'm glad you're interested. Within a few weeks you should see more activity on this. |
| 01:19.41 | GAdmiral_Matt | so I should wait until organizations apply before I start scouring their rigs as they get ready? |
| 01:19.45 | Chainsaw | However, feel free to browse. |
| 01:19.50 | GAdmiral_Matt | ah |
| 01:19.51 | GAdmiral_Matt | I love browsing |
| 01:19.51 | Chainsaw | Most organisations will have their idea pages up. |
| 01:19.53 | GAdmiral_Matt | thanks |
| 01:19.57 | Chainsaw | Wiki pages, etc. |
| 01:20.15 | Chainsaw | Ours is at: http://redmine.atheme.org/wiki/atheme-project/SummerOfCodeIdeas |
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| 01:20.54 | GabeS | here's the full timeline: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 01:21.54 | GAdmiral_Matt | wow |
| 01:22.00 | GAdmiral_Matt | I really like that project |
| 01:22.14 | GAdmiral_Matt | This site will be down due to Google App Engine maintenance from 1:00 UTC - 5:00 UTC on March 10, 2009. No applications can be submitted during this time. |
| 01:22.20 | GAdmiral_Matt | I got that from the timeline link |
| 01:22.21 | GAdmiral_Matt | lol |
| 01:24.02 | GabeS | heh - oops... guess you'll have to wait :) |
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| 01:29.03 | sausagefeet | Hi all, kind of related to what you guys were talking about...since organizations have not been accepted yet... |
| 01:29.32 | sausagefeet | is it considered too early to ask specific questions related to project ideas on mailing lists? because I did just that earlier today :) |
| 01:29.49 | ojwb | no, it's not too early |
| 01:29.56 | summatusmentis | hi all |
| 01:30.01 | Chainsaw | You can always ask about the ideas. |
| 01:30.13 | ojwb | but do bear in mind that the org may not be accepted |
| 01:30.20 | sausagefeet | not just questions, but queries for comments on my high level thoughts about how a project should be approached. |
| 01:30.41 | Chainsaw | sausagefeet: That's a good thing, yes. If we get accepted I'd want to hear those thoughts anyway. |
| 01:31.07 | johndbritton | is it possible that melange will be accepting gsoc students? |
| 01:31.34 | ojwb | that might be a better question for #melange |
| 01:32.11 | sausagefeet | great. I realize some orgs may not get accepted. But, I'd rather start querying now anyway. There's always the possibility that I could pursue the project if they dont get accepted. |
| 01:33.23 | sausagefeet | pursue it on my own in my spare time I mean. |
| 01:34.08 | ojwb | yes, most projects are happy for people to get involved |
| 01:34.32 | MatthewWilkes | johndbritton: Melange will apply as a mentoring organisation, personally I reckon it'll be accepted, but nothing's certain in the world! |
| 01:35.29 | sausagefeet | Cool. Thanks. I guess I just have to be patient and wait for responses to my queries now. :) |
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| 01:38.30 | Beket | Hey people. A student submits the application to the mentoring organisation or to the google itself ? |
| 01:38.43 | GAdmiral_Matt | That's a good question |
| 01:38.48 | GAdmiral_Matt | I always thought google |
| 01:38.51 | ojwb | to the web application |
| 01:38.52 | Catfish_Man | the organization, via google's interface |
| 01:39.00 | ojwb | exactly |
| 01:39.16 | GAdmiral_Matt | cool |
| 01:39.32 | Beket | Oh, I see. Do you have any link by the way ? Is it a predefined format ? |
| 01:40.14 | johndbritton | MatthewWilkes: cool |
| 01:40.49 | Chainsaw | Beket: Those interfaces aren't open yet. |
| 01:40.56 | MatthewWilkes | johndbritton: Do you have any ideas in mind? I know there's a melange ideas page that's work in progress |
| 01:41.26 | Chainsaw | Beket: But basically you'll get a template that the organisation has already prepared for you. |
| 01:41.39 | Chainsaw | So it's not one big scary empty text box. |
| 01:41.40 | Beket | Thank you Chainsaw. I've written it in latex/pdf and that's why I'm asking. If it's some kind of 'upload your app file' I'll be ok, otherwise I'll need to rewrite it in simple text format |
| 01:41.45 | Beket | Oh nice |
| 01:41.51 | Beket | Thanks again:) |
| 01:42.08 | MatthewWilkes | Beket: You'll need to provide some plain text, but linking to a more complex PDF is usually fine |
| 01:42.12 | Chainsaw | You'll be filling it in on a web interface I'm afraid. |
| 01:42.20 | Chainsaw | But yeah, you can always attach it. |
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| 01:42.29 | Chainsaw | (If you'd be applying to us we'd be inviting you onto IRC first anyway) |
| 01:43.03 | Beket | Right. Everything makes sense. Thanks again :) |
| 01:45.36 | tlarsen | http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-downtime-notify/browse_thread/thread/16d46fbc268d1ad1 |
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| 01:45.57 | tlarsen | (why socghop is in "Down for Maintenance" mode...) |
| 01:46.13 | tlarsen | put it in that mode. :) |
| 01:46.34 | Geiss | it was scheduled maintenance |
| 01:47.24 | tlarsen | Yes, but the "Down for Maintenance" scheduler in Melange didn't trigger. :) |
| 01:47.32 | tlarsen | http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=327 |
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| 01:51.39 | cjhopman | ~timeline |
| 01:51.57 | ibot | http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html#0_1_timeline_5354032302481437_ |
| 01:52.59 | brlcad | ~no, timeline is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 01:54.16 | tlarsen | brlcad: Correct. |
| 01:54.38 | brlcad | tlarsen: I know, I was updating ibot |
| 01:54.42 | brlcad | ~timeline |
| 01:54.42 | ibot | from memory, timeline is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/timeline |
| 01:55.02 | tlarsen | is ending the socghop outage early, since the Google App Engine maintenance is over. |
| 01:55.05 | brlcad | "no" corrects a factoid |
| 01:55.20 | brlcad | s/corrects/changes/ |
| 01:55.42 | tlarsen | brlcad: I was confirming, to you, that you had the new current URL. |
| 01:56.42 | brlcad | tlarsen: there wasn't doubt, but thanks |
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| 01:57.22 | tlarsen | Let's see if the maintenance mode goes away at 2:00 UTC to confirm my theories in the bug report. |
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| 02:00.05 | tlarsen | Awwww. We lost our pretty graph with the 20 QPS spike. :( |
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| 02:03.36 | tlarsen | OK, it looks like we are back in business. |
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| 02:10.45 | GAdmiral_Matt | hello all |
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| 02:25.48 | mmadia | Regarding this quote from socghop.appspot.com---faqs#when_apply :"The email addresses associated with the Google Account information provided during application process..." Does this imply that said email addresses must be of gmail.com or is any email address valid? |
| 02:26.23 | tlarsen | mmadia: You can create a Google Account with any valid email address. |
| 02:27.43 | mmadia | If they already have a gmail address, should that simply be used instead? |
| 02:28.04 | ojwb | if you're happy for the soc mail to go to it |
| 02:28.35 | mmadia | ok. thank you. |
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| 06:13.21 | codestr0m | good morning |
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| 06:28.23 | summatusmentis | mrr... hi |
| 06:28.36 | summatusmentis | I hate being up this late |
| 06:30.49 | hwked | really want to participate in gsoc, but feeling a little awed |
| 06:31.08 | cjhopman | just go for it |
| 06:31.50 | scorche | hwked: no one can help you get past them except yourself ;) |
| 06:32.40 | summatusmentis | hwked: yeah, I'm with cjhopman, do your best :) |
| 06:33.15 | hwked | Thanks for the encouragement guys |
| 06:33.54 | hwked | I don't have much exp. with opensource, so more work for me |
| 06:34.21 | r0bby | hwked: Well this is time to learn :) |
| 06:34.25 | arma | hwked: gsoc is a great way to get involved. one of the really nice things about gsoc is how it's focused the people who do understand open source into mentoring for others |
| 06:34.29 | r0bby | just don't get in over your head :) |
| 06:34.46 | ojwb | yeah, one of the aims of gsoc is to get introduce new people to open source |
| 06:35.01 | r0bby | sighs |
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| 06:37.19 | dberkholz | a lot of people try really hard at gsoc to make open source projects accessible to any and all students |
| 06:37.45 | summatusmentis | I don't think that's fair to say |
| 06:37.53 | dberkholz | dunno how many points we get for effort, but it seems like there's at least some success |
| 06:37.55 | summatusmentis | as accessible as possible, yes |
| 06:38.09 | summatusmentis | 'any and all' is incredibly far reaching |
| 06:38.19 | arma | summatusmentis: he did say try :) |
| 06:38.25 | summatusmentis | true |
| 06:38.53 | arma | we've had our share of students who didn't grok free software much when they started. the risk is much higher with them. |
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| 06:39.32 | summatusmentis | it sounds elitest, and I don't mean it this way at all, but really the 'best' students get to participate, because obviously there's an application process etc. |
| 06:39.46 | dberkholz | my perspective is that the investment is higher. you need to step that up to keep the risk the same |
| 06:39.48 | summatusmentis | 'best' here being loosely defined, based on individual org definitions |
| 06:39.50 | ojwb | well, "best" by some measure |
| 06:39.56 | summatusmentis | right, exactly |
| 06:40.03 | dberkholz | summatusmentis: even the rest walk away with an improved understanding of open source |
| 06:40.07 | summatusmentis | and as many as possible |
| 06:40.12 | summatusmentis | dberkholz: that's true |
| 06:40.27 | slouken | Hey Leslie and friends, I started a company to manage SDL licensing. Would it be confusing to register this year under that company's name, or should I just stick with SDL as the project like it was last year? |
| 06:40.54 | summatusmentis | I don't disagree that it's a good thing, just that it is what it is |
| 06:40.58 | dberkholz | maybe they won't contribute to my project this year, or even to any project. but part of increasing the open source world is just increasing common knowledge of it |
| 06:41.14 | summatusmentis | dberkholz: yes, that's true |
| 06:41.32 | dberkholz | get the people who becomes developers or CS profs to consider using an oss project for their work. maybe they'll contribute patches, maybe they'll talk on mailing lists, whatever |
| 06:41.41 | dberkholz | become* |
| 06:41.54 | arma | slouken: lh isn't here currently. you could email her. my impression is that they like consistency. people judge them on whether they recognize the names of the projects they pick. |
| 06:42.10 | dberkholz | slouken: hi there former roomie! |
| 06:42.13 | ojwb | slouken: I don't speak for Leslie or Google, but I'd think it might be less clear to applicants, unless the company is "SDL licensing inc" or similar |
| 06:42.18 | summatusmentis | she'll likely be around tomorrow though |
| 06:42.22 | slouken | arma, yeah that was my impression as well. |
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| 06:42.25 | slouken | Thanks guys |
| 06:42.28 | dberkholz | well, i'm getting a bit too abstract for this channel i think |
| 06:42.28 | slouken | Hey dberkholz! |
| 06:42.43 | ojwb | you can certainly invoice for mentor payments through a company even if that's not the org name |
| 06:42.50 | dberkholz | oh good, you can. |
| 06:42.58 | dberkholz | i really didn't want to funnel money through me. |
| 06:43.12 | slouken | ojwb, awesome, thanks! |
| 06:43.15 | dberkholz | slouken: good to hear you're applying again |
| 06:43.18 | summatusmentis | dberkholz: lh just posted a blog post about integrating OSS into the 'tenure' process of professors |
| 06:43.30 | slouken | Yep, it was a great experience last year, I'd love to do it again. :) |
| 06:43.31 | dberkholz | summatusmentis: yeah, i read it and pointed a few local higher-ed folks at it |
| 06:43.46 | summatusmentis | it was intriguing, I agree |
| 06:44.04 | summatusmentis | pointed my advisor at it, but he's busy, and may not get around to reading it |
| 06:44.07 | dberkholz | there were a couple of lines i found particularly compelling |
| 06:44.40 | dberkholz | And, of course, contributions of source code are not considered publication, whether or not they meet the stated objective of publication - the advancement of Computer Science. |
| 06:45.07 | dberkholz | which basically puts the ball firmly in the court of tenured professors instead of younger ones |
| 06:45.11 | slouken | Okay, good luck everyone! |
| 06:45.12 | slouken | waves |
| 06:45.21 | dberkholz | slouken: adios, same to you sir |
| 06:45.26 | summatusmentis | I would guess that a lot of open source is implementation, not 'research' exactly |
| 06:45.58 | dberkholz | sure |
| 06:45.59 | summatusmentis | not all, obviously |
| 06:46.13 | dberkholz | i'd guess academic types would focus on research-friendly areas |
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| 06:47.16 | dberkholz | maybe the real research is the new algorithm that doesn't suck |
| 06:48.24 | summatusmentis | yes, that'd be the easiest |
| 06:48.37 | summatusmentis | new open algorithm that doesn't suck |
| 06:49.01 | summatusmentis | I'm sure new non-sucking algos are developed pretty regularly at places like MS, Google, Apple, etc. etc. |
| 06:50.36 | summatusmentis | that said, I need sleep |
| 06:50.41 | summatusmentis | 'night all |
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| 07:00.47 | slouken | Hey, what are people using for a student application template? It's required this time around, and our project doesn't have a standard one. |
| 07:05.03 | arma | slouken: last year we used https://www.torproject.org/gsoc#Template |
| 07:05.30 | arma | you're welcome to crib from it. it served us pretty well. (that is, the reasons we screwed up last year were not based on our template, i think. :) |
| 07:05.49 | slouken | Heheh, thanks |
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| 08:27.21 | juanma | morning |
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| 08:28.47 | tmiw_ | :D |
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| 08:34.01 | kblin | phew, almost done with the second org application |
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| 08:38.56 | tmiw_ | kblin: you're part of more than one OSS project? |
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| 08:42.08 | Kayden | hello. I'm considering being one of my projects' mentors this year. for those of you who've decided to be mentors...why are you doing it? |
| 08:43.09 | arma | in hopes that my student will become a long-term contributor to the project |
| 08:43.15 | thebolt | Kayden: i won't be mentor this year but have been three earlier years.. i think my main motivation is two-fold.. one is to help "my" project.. the other (which technically is as selfish:P) is the satisfaction of seeing others succeed |
| 08:44.34 | Kayden | *nods* |
| 08:44.56 | kblin | tmiw_: yeah. it's a bit tough on the spare time, but you can switch challenges once in a while and don't burn out on a specific one :) |
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| 09:00.34 | kblin | yay, done.. |
| 09:00.40 | kblin | now back to real work :) |
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| 09:04.06 | tmiw_ | can't wait to hear back |
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| 09:54.28 | Lennie | hi |
| 09:54.57 | spectie | hey all |
| 09:55.09 | spectie | where abouts do i file a bug for the GSOC wiki ? |
| 09:55.23 | Lennie | which wiki is that? |
| 09:56.57 | Lennie | ajuonline, new episode for heroes and BBT :) |
| 09:57.23 | spectie | Lennie, the GSOC wiki |
| 09:58.10 | Lennie | you mean http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/w/list ? |
| 09:58.28 | spectie | yes |
| 09:58.35 | spectie | isn't that the GSOC wiki ? |
| 09:58.36 | spectie | :) |
| 09:58.50 | spectie | anyway, i'm getting " Bad Request |
| 09:58.50 | spectie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:58.53 | spectie | when i try to submit a comment |
| 09:59.14 | Lennie | spectie, there are a lot of wiki's floating around :) |
| 09:59.21 | spectie | Lennie, specifically GSOC ones ? |
| 09:59.32 | spectie | :) |
| 09:59.40 | Lennie | I've seen some others, was just wondering which you were referring to |
| 09:59.48 | spectie | oh |
| 09:59.56 | spectie | well, i wasn't aware of any others |
| 10:00.02 | spectie | anyway, is there a bug tracking system of some sort ? |
| 10:00.07 | Lennie | that sounds more like a bug in google code to me |
| 10:00.19 | Lennie | you can file a bug for that http://code.google.com/p/support/ |
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| 10:00.31 | j-b | hello |
| 10:00.34 | Lennie | hi j-b |
| 10:01.00 | j-b | Lennie: hello ! |
| 10:01.10 | Lennie | anyhow spectie, is there a typo in one of the pages? |
| 10:01.54 | spectie | there is a type in one of the flyers |
| 10:01.58 | spectie | but i've already notified lh |
| 10:02.17 | Lennie | k then that should be solved once she is awake |
| 10:02.50 | Lennie | but I dont think I can do anything because of the malformed request error |
| 10:03.17 | Lennie | *to help you with |
| 10:03.23 | spectie | ok |
| 10:03.27 | Lennie | needs his morning tea |
| 10:05.18 | Lennie | The only thing I can think of is that you logged out while trying to post a comment |
| 10:05.29 | Lennie | but that's probably unlikely |
| 10:05.42 | spectie | actually |
| 10:05.45 | spectie | you hit the nail on the head |
| 10:05.55 | spectie | thanks ;) |
| 10:05.59 | Lennie | o |
| 10:06.00 | Lennie | hehe |
| 10:06.05 | Lennie | yw |
| 10:06.17 | spectie | yw = 'is' in Welsh |
| 10:06.23 | spectie | but i guess you mean "you're welcome" :) |
| 10:06.24 | Lennie | *your welcome then :) |
| 10:06.32 | Lennie | you're * |
| 10:06.35 | ajuonline | Lennie: ah, thanks. will check out ;) |
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| 11:12.50 | PeepOle | 222 |
| 11:13.07 | PeepOle | ~faq |
| 11:13.19 | ibot | The GSoC 2009 FAQ is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 11:13.20 | PeepOle | ~ibot |
| 11:13.30 | PeepOle | ~faq |
| 11:13.31 | ibot | The GSoC 2009 FAQ is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 11:13.34 | PeepOle | ~faqs |
| 11:13.35 | ibot | hmm... faqs is an apt wannabe |
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| 11:14.01 | PeepOle | ~PeepOle is the Best. |
| 11:14.02 | ibot | okay, PeepOle |
| 11:14.04 | scorche | PeepOle: please dont abuse the bot... |
| 11:14.09 | scorche | ~forget PeepOle |
| 11:14.09 | ibot | scorche: i forgot peepole |
| 11:14.26 | PeepOle | :( |
| 11:14.44 | PeepOle | scorche: sorry |
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| 11:16.38 | X-Istence | I'm trying to decide if I want to apply to GSoC this year. |
| 11:16.55 | scorche | do it |
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| 11:17.20 | knishant | hi sivaji |
| 11:17.33 | sivaji | knishant, hi |
| 11:17.45 | x58 | I have an internship to complete though :/ |
| 11:18.56 | scorche | eh...then complete that unless you plan on getting much sleep |
| 11:19.12 | x58 | I am up at 4:18 in the morning |
| 11:19.25 | x58 | That should tell you something about the amount of sleep I generally get. |
| 11:19.33 | scorche | forgot a "not" somewhere in that sentence |
| 11:20.08 | ojwb | yeah, it's not feasible to do gsoc and a fulltime job |
| 11:20.48 | arma | ojwb: unless you're a mentor or an admin, at least in theory. (here i am up at 07:18, so who am i to talk) |
| 11:20.58 | ojwb | yes, I mean as a student |
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| 11:27.59 | scorche | >_> |
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| 11:31.01 | Huy | >_> |
| 11:31.06 | Huy | :D |
| 11:31.23 | scorche | at least they arent tiny pinpricks like yours |
| 11:32.06 | scorche | whistles calmly |
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| 12:04.50 | djbclark | on the org app, does "save changes" actually submit the app to google, or is that a seperate step? Just wondering if I need to like make a copy of the app on a wiki to collaborate on it with people before submitting or not. |
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| 12:06.34 | ojwb | lh said it's fine to save a partly completed application and come back to edit it |
| 12:06.59 | ojwb | so I guess it doesn't "send it" |
| 12:12.18 | kblin | djbclark: well, you can still edit it until up to the deadline |
| 12:12.31 | kblin | djbclark: but so far only the submitter can see it |
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| 12:12.55 | kblin | I've filed a feature request to let at least the backup admin see it as well :) |
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| 12:15.51 | djbclark | kblin thanks - for my use case I'll just make a stupid wikitext version and then cut-and-paste back (>1 other person I want to involve) |
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| 12:28.48 | spectie | in the email |
| 12:28.50 | spectie | sorry |
| 12:28.51 | spectie | in the application |
| 12:28.56 | spectie | what does "public email" refer to |
| 12:29.10 | spectie | it doesn't appear to be the mailing list, as that is requested subsequently |
| 12:29.55 | spectie | there is no 'popup help' |
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| 12:30.20 | spectie | ah |
| 12:30.22 | spectie | found it |
| 12:30.29 | spectie | # |
| 12:30.29 | spectie | # For Public Email, please enter an email address to be used by would-be mentors or students seeking additional information. This can be an individual's email address or a mailing list address; use whichever will work best for your organization. |
| 12:30.55 | ojwb | where's that from? |
| 12:31.01 | jhesketh | Hi. Anybody here from Australia? I'm curious about how GSoC would affect centrelink and Australian Tax. |
| 12:31.37 | spectie | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide |
| 12:31.39 | spectie | from here |
| 12:32.50 | ojwb | spectie: thanks, I'll bookmark that for later... |
| 12:32.55 | spectie | np |
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| 12:50.07 | scorche | ~userguide is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide |
| 12:50.08 | ibot | ...but userguide is already something else... |
| 12:50.14 | scorche | grumbles |
| 12:50.59 | thebolt | ~userguide |
| 12:51.00 | ibot | userguide is probably http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide |
| 12:51.23 | scorche | PMed ibot |
| 12:51.24 | thebolt | scorche: hm.. i would have imagined it to recognize you are trying to relearn it with exactly same thing.. |
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| 12:51.45 | scorche | <ibot> it has been said that userguide is http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/userguide/ |
| 12:52.02 | beket | Hi people! Any "inside" information regarding the number of organisations applied so far ?:) |
| 12:52.07 | scorche | thebolt: i just did the editing in a Pm with ibot ;) |
| 12:52.12 | scorche | beket: nope |
| 12:52.19 | thebolt | scorche: haha, okay :) |
| 12:52.36 | scorche | only one day has passed...relax.. |
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| 12:59.02 | ojwb | earlier, lh said "up to 33 organization applications. woot!" |
| 12:59.14 | ojwb | but I don't see it means anything much |
| 12:59.29 | ojwb | it's not like gsoc was going to cancelled due to lack of interest |
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| 13:00.06 | beket | Certainly not :) Just being curious |
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| 13:15.04 | rindolf | Hi all! How can a prospective student (not me) register on http://code.google.com/soc/ ? |
| 13:15.22 | russellb | ~faq |
| 13:15.23 | ibot | The GSoC 2009 FAQ is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
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| 13:16.12 | scorche | rindolf: the time has not come for students to register yet...see the timeline on the page that was linked |
| 13:16.28 | rindolf | scorche: OK, thanks. |
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| 13:18.38 | kblin | hey mlankhorst :) |
| 13:19.15 | thebolt | hi mlankhorst |
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| 13:19.43 | mlankhorst | afternoon |
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| 13:21.06 | ingo86 | hello all |
| 13:21.15 | rindolf | Hi ingo86 |
| 13:21.27 | rindolf | ingo86: is it 86 like the x86 processors, or were you born in 1986? |
| 13:22.32 | ingo86 | rindolf: born in 86 and glad that 86 is the x86 processor |
| 13:22.36 | ingo86 | :-P |
| 13:23.01 | rindolf | ingo86: ah. |
| 13:23.49 | rindolf | ingo86: there are several x86 processors: 8086, 8088, 80186, 80286, 80386 (SX/DX), 80486 (SX/DX), Pentium, Pentium Pro, Pentium II, etc. |
| 13:24.08 | rindolf | It's a family of processors. |
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| 13:24.17 | ingo86 | rindolf: i know |
| 13:24.46 | rindolf | I studied their architecture when I did my B.Sc. Quite horrid. |
| 13:25.32 | ingo86 | rindolf: but 86 is the family, is there a connection between 1986 an x86? |
| 13:25.44 | thebolt | ingo86: not really |
| 13:25.46 | rindolf | ingo86: no. |
| 13:25.54 | rindolf | ingo86: I think the 8086 preceded 1986. |
| 13:26.02 | rindolf | I recall using a PC XT in 1987ish. |
| 13:26.11 | ingo86 | rindolf: i studied it too, but i forget the year when it was released |
| 13:26.12 | thebolt | yes, 8086 was released in 1976 |
| 13:26.17 | thebolt | ahm, 78 |
| 13:26.33 | rindolf | thebolt: I see. |
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| 13:26.37 | ingo86 | thebolt: a now knowledge is always fine, thank you |
| 13:26.44 | thebolt | 1986 didn't give us any new x86 processors :) |
| 13:26.45 | ingo86 | *new |
| 13:26.48 | rindolf | It was preceded by the 8080 and the 8008. |
| 13:27.10 | thebolt | rindolf: well, 8080 and 8008 (and 4004) is not part of the x86 family |
| 13:27.19 | rindolf | thebolt: yes, I know. |
| 13:27.40 | rindolf | thebolt: wasn't the original Altaire based on the 8008? |
| 13:28.34 | thebolt | hm, no idea.. it was before my time.. but wikipedia seems to say no |
| 13:28.53 | thebolt | ah, no, it was 8080 |
| 13:29.12 | rindolf | OK. |
| 13:29.20 | thebolt | (i was born in 1984 , altair released in 75 ;) |
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| 13:37.45 | TipTop | hello |
| 13:38.42 | TipTop | i just edited my Org application form. but it seems that my newlines are not handled once converted from the textareas to the public HTML page. so my formatting sucks. |
| 13:38.54 | TipTop | http://socghop.appspot.com/org_app/show/google/gsoc2009/datao |
| 13:39.32 | TipTop | any hint to force the newlines in the final HTML? |
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| 13:44.33 | ScottMac | So last year when you added a backup admin they could see the application, but this doesn't appear to be the case this year? |
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| 13:49.31 | TipTop | ScottMac: did your carriage return appear in the final public Org App webpage? |
| 13:50.14 | kblin | ScottMac: nope, but I already added a feature request on the issue tracker |
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| 13:50.28 | kblin | http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=329 |
| 13:50.32 | ScottMac | kblin, cheers |
| 13:50.59 | mlankhorst | what the hell is a link id |
| 13:51.20 | kblin | some sort of an ID |
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| 13:51.27 | mlankhorst | ._. |
| 13:51.35 | kblin | mlankhorst: it's semantic web lingo, I think |
| 13:51.41 | mlankhorst | and I've just been reading about how to keep software simple for users too |
| 13:51.46 | mlankhorst | whistles |
| 13:51.57 | summatusmentis | yeah, I assume it's just 'screen name' |
| 13:52.42 | kblin | it's an ASCII-only user id when you sign up as a user |
| 13:53.19 | mlankhorst | Would be a lot easier to understand if they call it 'username' |
| 13:54.16 | kblin | but if it's an org application, the link_id is an org name :) |
| 13:54.58 | mlankhorst | I'm just saying that it's very confusing if you have no idea what they are talking about |
| 13:55.07 | mlankhorst | and the clarification is not particularly helpful, either |
| 13:55.14 | kblin | yeah |
| 13:55.20 | thebolt | well, sourceforge calls it "unixname" when you want to sign up a project or user there.. |
| 13:55.21 | kblin | file a bug report |
| 13:55.31 | thebolt | not much clearer |
| 13:55.35 | mlankhorst | brb |
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| 13:56.00 | kblin | I stumbled into link_id for projects not being the field where I need to put in my link_id :) |
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| 14:01.57 | PeepOle | summatusmentis: hey, you know James Kakalios, professor in University of Minnesota? |
| 14:04.41 | mlankhorst | !bugs |
| 14:04.45 | mlankhorst | ~bugs |
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| 14:06.48 | Raim | what is meant by the Public Email address required for the organization application? what mails will be sent there? |
| 14:06.59 | kblin | ~bugs is http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/list |
| 14:07.20 | ojwb | Raim: |
| 14:07.22 | ojwb | <spectie> # For Public Email, please enter an email address to be used by would-be mentors or students seeking additional information. This can be an individual's email address or a mailing list address; use whichever will work best for your organization. |
| 14:07.27 | ojwb | from the userguide |
| 14:07.41 | Raim | ojwb: oh, thanks :-) |
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| 14:20.15 | djc | if I submit an org application, will it become final as soon as I first submit? |
| 14:20.21 | djc | or can I iterate a few times? |
| 14:20.28 | ojwb | you can iterate |
| 14:21.33 | djc | so when I save, it just saves, and stuff gets queued for review only by the end of the app period? |
| 14:22.31 | antarus | pretty sure the review is kind of a multi-day jam session involving pizza, alcohol, and foozball |
| 14:22.42 | antarus | so whatever you have at that time is what they will read |
| 14:23.07 | durin42 | djc: you can iterate |
| 14:23.33 | djc | hmmm, and what kind of thing is "public email"? |
| 14:23.42 | djc | is that for an admin, or for an organization? |
| 14:23.47 | djc | can I just put the mailing list in there? |
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| 14:24.32 | kblin | djc: that's what I did |
| 14:24.40 | djc | also, who are "the members of my group": developers, or mentors, or students? |
| 14:24.42 | summatusmentis | some google employee, since they have control of the internet, should cancel my class today |
| 14:24.45 | lh | we don't get any pizza, alcohol or foozball :) |
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| 14:24.56 | Raim | djc: I asked the same, and I was pointed to the public User's Guide which describes each of the fields :) |
| 14:25.04 | djc | Raim: ah :P |
| 14:25.20 | Raim | djc: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide#depth_orgapp |
| 14:25.26 | kblin | lh: no pizza? |
| 14:25.48 | antarus | lh: what about noname pasta? :p |
| 14:26.27 | lh | kblin: no pizza |
| 14:26.32 | lh | antarus: that can be done |
| 14:26.42 | kblin | is shocked |
| 14:26.43 | spectie | no pizza D: |
| 14:26.49 | antarus | just moved buildings, first time in 2 years ;p |
| 14:26.57 | lh | that's ok, we can have something healthier |
| 14:27.01 | lh | antarus: where are you now? |
| 14:27.15 | antarus | 1500 plymouth? I think |
| 14:27.22 | Landon | pizza? |
| 14:27.24 | Landon | I could use pizza |
| 14:27.28 | kblin | lh: pizza _is_ healthy... kind of depends on what toppings you use |
| 14:27.33 | Landon | over the weekend I had the most amazing pizza toppings |
| 14:27.38 | Landon | banana peppers and hot wing sauce |
| 14:27.41 | Landon | *drool* |
| 14:27.42 | aghisla | ?!? |
| 14:27.47 | Landon | instant heartburn though |
| 14:27.50 | aghisla | is shocked |
| 14:28.13 | kblin | lh: but in general it's with olive oil, which is good, and garlic, which keeps the vampires away |
| 14:28.15 | lh | antarus: they have a great cafe in 1600 |
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| 14:28.29 | lh | kblin: and covered in cheese |
| 14:28.34 | lh | Landon: sounds spicy |
| 14:28.41 | Landon | indeed |
| 14:28.42 | kblin | lh: there's always something. ;) |
| 14:28.45 | djc | hmm, it seems "the members of your group" isn't explained in the user's guide |
| 14:28.49 | Landon | and the physically hotter you make it the better it is! |
| 14:28.56 | lh | kblin: true |
| 14:29.00 | lh | djc: i am adding that now |
| 14:29.02 | lh | member = mentor |
| 14:29.08 | lh | contributor = student |
| 14:29.11 | djc | lh: thanks, great |
| 14:29.17 | lh | djc: np |
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| 14:30.26 | djc | hmmm, "your group" == this specific group of mentors? this project? |
| 14:30.52 | djc | e.g. the project participated last year (but that's explained in the next question), but the set of mentors will be different this year |
| 14:31.23 | mlankhorst | lh: gsoc 2008 mentor payment? |
| 14:31.58 | HanzZ | lh, Hi, I'm happy you are here. I have only one question and I think I know the answer, but I want to ask you, too. If I've just finished grammar school and I can't be enrolled to university in my country on the 17th April, I can't participate. Is it true? |
| 14:32.29 | mlankhorst | one of my mentors is getting unhappy with the irs soon if they don't get paid out :s |
| 14:32.30 | lh | mlankhorst: too late to request it |
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| 14:32.58 | lh | HanzZ: it's april 20th and go ahead and apply anyway |
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| 14:33.12 | lh | HanzZ: aren't you going to be in gymnasium on april 20th? |
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| 14:33.56 | HanzZ | I will be in gymnasium on this date... but I will have applications to universities submitted |
| 14:33.59 | new_bee_ycce | hi , everybody |
| 14:34.58 | lh | HanzZ: that's fine then. you just have to be in school on april 20th and at least 18 years of age. |
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| 14:35.33 | new_bee_ycce | i am a second year student in Bachelors of engg , i know c/c++ and .net a little is it good enough for participating at gsoc ?This is my first time , i am nervous ? |
| 14:35.36 | HanzZ | so it doesn't have to be university... thanks for the response and great work for summer of code :) |
| 14:35.49 | jbailey | lh, I'm sad. I just realised I didn't hang out here during the push yesterday like I did last year. My bad! |
| 14:35.53 | jbailey | Not too late to come say hi, though. =) |
| 14:36.08 | lh | jbailey: all good. we are very happy to have you. |
| 14:36.08 | summatusmentis | new_bee_ycce: I advocate applying, doing your best, and see where you get |
| 14:36.09 | spectie | new_bee_ycce, hello |
| 14:36.12 | ankush | hi all |
| 14:36.12 | lh | all hail jbailey |
| 14:36.27 | summatusmentis | hails jbailey |
| 14:36.38 | jbailey | new_bee_ycce, Keep that in mind when you pick projects to work on. You want to make sure that you have a reasonable chance of success. |
| 14:36.38 | spectie | new_bee_ycce, what summatusmentis said ;) |
| 14:36.39 | summatusmentis | what the hail >_> |
| 14:36.54 | lh | ankush: welcome |
| 14:36.58 | jbailey | new_bee_ycce, There are a lot of c/c++ and .net projects out there. |
| 14:37.26 | kblin | well, more C/C++ than .Net, I guess |
| 14:37.27 | kblin | ;) |
| 14:37.41 | summatusmentis | is mono applying? |
| 14:37.46 | summatusmentis | or is that part of GNOME? |
| 14:37.49 | new_bee_ycce | ok , |
| 14:37.50 | mlankhorst | they did last year |
| 14:37.53 | ankush | i kept a track of gsoc last year...and want to be a part of the same this year... |
| 14:37.56 | mlankhorst | mono is a suse project |
| 14:38.04 | summatusmentis | oh, I suppose it is |
| 14:38.08 | mlankhorst | novell product* |
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| 14:38.41 | HanzZ | I hope there will be jabber - libpurple transport :) |
| 14:39.01 | ankush | but somewhere there is a glitch or you can say nervousness, as to whether i will be able to dive into it or not :( |
| 14:39.10 | summatusmentis | libpurple supports jabber now? |
| 14:39.35 | antarus | libpurple? |
| 14:39.45 | antarus | sounds like a lib one of my college buddies would write |
| 14:39.46 | summatusmentis | ankush: just dive in, nervousness isn't helpful |
| 14:39.47 | new_bee_ycce | does the mentor provide training too ? Or they just need us to work ? |
| 14:39.55 | summatusmentis | ankush: it's the lib behind pidgin |
| 14:39.58 | lh | antarus: sounds like a band to me |
| 14:40.08 | antarus | figuring that picking a name took more time than writing something; he just chose names out of colors and objects |
| 14:40.10 | ankush | yeah...i know ;) |
| 14:40.12 | summatusmentis | new_bee_ycce: depends on the org |
| 14:40.17 | antarus | our project in college was 'orangetree' |
| 14:40.30 | HanzZ | summatusmentis, I have done jabber - icq transport with gloox/ libpurple |
| 14:40.34 | summatusmentis | ankush: really, just do it :) |
| 14:40.44 | HanzZ | but I can't release it as GPL... |
| 14:40.49 | mlankhorst | just takes the first word that comes to mind in his brains |
| 14:41.28 | antarus | after working at goog for 2 years all I can say is I really really really hate codenames |
| 14:41.28 | ankush | i went through the KDE Ideas list, and found a project interesting...can i discuss it here ? |
| 14:41.52 | spectie | ankush, better discuss it in #kde no? |
| 14:41.54 | mlankhorst | this is not the kde channel |
| 14:42.04 | mlankhorst | this is one abstraction layer higher ;) |
| 14:42.19 | summatusmentis | presumably there's #kde-dev too ? |
| 14:42.33 | spectie | there are probably many kde-* channels :) |
| 14:42.38 | antarus | sighs and heads into work |
| 14:42.44 | ankush | yeah...right, just confirming... thanks :) |
| 14:42.58 | lh | ankush: good luck. :) |
| 14:43.09 | summatusmentis | antarus: oh, your life is so hard, you have to go to ElGoog :-P |
| 14:43.24 | PeepOle | antarus: what do you do in google? |
| 14:43.43 | antarus | PeepOle: I'm a sysadmin at present |
| 14:43.51 | antarus | works on email |
| 14:44.02 | antarus | not gmail |
| 14:44.06 | summatusmentis | something about sysadmimmer |
| 14:44.19 | PeepOle | wants 20 Gb Gmail |
| 14:44.32 | summatusmentis | PeepOle: you can pay for it |
| 14:44.40 | antarus | is your gmail full or something? :) |
| 14:44.58 | PeepOle | wants to store movies. |
| 14:45.08 | PeepOle | also wants 1gb attachment max size |
| 14:45.12 | ankush | lh: thanks |
| 14:45.16 | mlankhorst | uploading them with 10 kb/s? |
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| 14:45.17 | mlankhorst | erm |
| 14:45.31 | summatusmentis | an attachment size upping would be good |
| 14:45.47 | mlankhorst | isp's suck for making it impossible to use any upload speed for anything other than ack packets.. |
| 14:45.52 | antarus | PeepOle: ummm no ;) |
| 14:46.04 | antarus | if you want to store movies get a real storage service ;p |
| 14:46.25 | PeepOle | antarus: Was joking there. But on a serious note, a Google Reader tab in Gmail would be a veyy nice feature |
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| 14:46.52 | PeepOle | antarus: Greasemonkey scripts already do that but I dont like greasemonkey |
| 14:47.03 | summatusmentis | my iGoogle homepage just addded chat, weird |
| 14:47.03 | antarus | greasemonkey is a huge hack, I agree ;p |
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| 14:47.32 | antarus | luckily I can't talk any gmail UI changes that may or may not be in the pipeline ;p |
| 14:47.46 | Landon | antarus: you can think about them |
| 14:47.47 | Landon | a lot |
| 14:47.58 | Landon | so our ESP gifted individuals can pick up on it |
| 14:49.36 | juanma_ | re |
| 14:49.55 | summatusmentis | wanders off to go do spanish studying :( |
| 14:51.02 | spectie | summatusmentis, lo puedes practicar aquà ;) |
| 14:51.05 | aghisla | summatusmentis: hola!! |
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| 14:51.41 | summatusmentis | spectie: tengo que estudiar para una examen |
| 14:51.49 | spectie | de qué nivel ? |
| 14:51.50 | summatusmentis | aghisla: que pasas? |
| 14:52.01 | Catfish_Man | hi folks |
| 14:52.05 | aghisla | my spanish is very very poor |
| 14:52.06 | spectie | summatusmentis, *qué pasa |
| 14:52.08 | spectie | :) |
| 14:52.10 | aghisla | :P |
| 14:52.15 | spectie | o "qué te pasa" |
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| 14:52.35 | lh | Catfish_Man: morning! |
| 14:52.44 | lh | Catfish_Man: saw your FB status update. yay for you. |
| 14:52.45 | summatusmentis | spectie: introduccion a literatura de españa y latinoamerica |
| 14:52.54 | spectie | ouf, odio la literatura |
| 14:52.55 | Catfish_Man | yay for me indeed :) |
| 14:52.57 | summatusmentis | yeah yeah, accents, blah blah blah |
| 14:52.58 | Catfish_Man | thanks |
| 14:52.58 | spectie | en cualquier lengua |
| 14:53.00 | thebolt | hi lh |
| 14:53.02 | mlankhorst | switches to german |
| 14:53.09 | mlankhorst | jawohl, wie geht es |
| 14:53.13 | spectie | mlankhorst, genau |
| 14:53.18 | summatusmentis | spectie: yo tambien, pero lo necesito para mi escuela |
| 14:53.20 | aghisla | mlankhorst: gut, und dir? |
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| 14:53.31 | mlankhorst | sehr gut:) |
| 14:53.48 | spectie | plurilingualism makes me feel fuzzy ^___^ |
| 14:53.50 | lh | thebolt: hello my friend. you have mail |
| 14:53.55 | aghisla | es gibt so viele Leute heute |
| 14:54.06 | spectie | i remember it was discouraged last year though |
| 14:54.06 | mlankhorst | jawohl, aber nicht so viele wie normal |
| 14:54.09 | spectie | summatusmentis, :( |
| 14:54.11 | thebolt | lh: oh, do i? thanks :) how do you do today? |
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| 14:54.27 | thebolt | btw, for once being gsoc related.. |
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| 14:54.31 | summatusmentis | spectie: yeah, big test today |
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| 14:55.07 | lh | thebolt: very well thank you. you? |
| 14:55.08 | spectie | summatusmentis, buena suerte |
| 14:55.20 | lh | thebolt: yes? |
| 14:55.20 | aghisla | también |
| 14:55.43 | summatusmentis | spectie, aghisla: gracias |
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| 14:55.47 | thebolt | one question not in the faq but i think i know the answer.. being a mentor/admin earlier years, does this in any way affect the eligibility as a student this year? |
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| 14:56.18 | Catfish_Man | thebolt: should be fine afaik |
| 14:56.23 | kblin | happened before |
| 14:56.41 | thebolt | Catfish_Man: yea, thats how i interpret the "spirit" of the "mentor & student" answer.. |
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| 14:57.00 | lh | thebolt: yes, it's fine. as kblin said it has happenned before |
| 14:57.35 | thebolt | worst part about going mentor->student would be not being able to go to any (if any) mentor summit :P |
| 14:57.46 | eean | what is the "public email address" for on the organization application? |
| 14:57.55 | eean | we're not sure what address to put there (for KDE) |
| 14:57.57 | spectie | eean, For Public Email, please enter an email address to be used by would-be mentors or students seeking additional information. This can be an individual's email address or a mailing list address; use whichever will work best for your organization. |
| 14:57.57 | kblin | ~usersguide |
| 14:57.59 | spectie | it's in the user guide |
| 14:58.04 | kblin | ~userguide |
| 14:58.05 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, userguide is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide |
| 14:58.06 | spectie | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide |
| 14:59.14 | kblin | eean: I've put the devel mailing list there, usually |
| 14:59.16 | eean | ok cool we'll put the kde-soc-mentor list |
| 14:59.43 | kblin | probably makes sense for an umbrealla org like kde :) |
| 15:00.06 | eean | and we |
| 15:00.12 | eean | and we're submitted, hooray :) |
| 15:00.16 | lh | eean: woot! |
| 15:00.30 | kblin | which reminds me that I wanted to check up on MAPI support in Akonadi |
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| 15:00.42 | dberkholz | morning folks |
| 15:00.54 | anki11 | good evening |
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| 15:02.01 | lh | dberkholz: greets |
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| 15:02.48 | dberkholz | anki11: i'm in the irc time zone -- it's morning whenever someone arrives and evening/night when they leave =) |
| 15:03.25 | dberkholz | man, we are starting to get some really awesome ideas |
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| 15:03.56 | dberkholz | i'm glad we've spent a month trying to think about them, because a lot of the really good ones just started coming in the past week |
| 15:04.02 | anki11 | dberkholz:ok.......good morning |
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| 15:04.13 | lh | dberkholz: awesome! |
| 15:04.18 | eean | dberkholz: well yea half the point is having a good ideas page by the time you submit :) |
| 15:05.25 | kblin | it's kind of hard to motivate people to spend time on this if the start of the program is still further off |
| 15:05.48 | dberkholz | i think this is the year i'll try to expand and apply stuff from gsoc to attract new contributors outside of gsoc too. |
| 15:05.56 | mlankhorst | kblin: or if nobody cares :S |
| 15:05.59 | lh | dberkholz: ++ |
| 15:06.38 | PeepOle | Why weren't there any Sun projects in GSoC like opensolaris and openoffice.org? |
| 15:06.46 | PeepOle | last year |
| 15:06.50 | eean | guesses they didn't apply? |
| 15:07.02 | scorche | PeepOle: ask them? |
| 15:07.06 | summatusmentis | eean: why not? |
| 15:07.19 | eean | I don't even know that they didn't apply |
| 15:07.20 | kblin | summatusmentis: what scorche said :) |
| 15:07.25 | eean | so I certainly don't know why they didn't ;) |
| 15:07.25 | PeepOle | thinks its starnge all Sun products disappeared after GSoC 07 |
| 15:07.51 | summatusmentis | kblin: it just seems odd that they wouldn't be allowed to apply |
| 15:07.59 | eean | who said that |
| 15:08.06 | lh | PeepOle: as scorche said, ask them. this has also been discussed pretty extensively on their mailing lists. |
| 15:08.06 | scorche | i dont think anyone said they werent allowed to apply |
| 15:08.24 | summatusmentis | eean: oh, didn't, not can't |
| 15:08.27 | summatusmentis | never mind, I can't read |
| 15:08.35 | eean | or write lol |
| 15:09.00 | summatusmentis | no, this is reading comprehension |
| 15:09.08 | PeepOle | I did read through their mailing lists, I am fishing for a scoop here. |
| 15:09.29 | scorche | well, go fish somewhere else...this lake doesnt have any fish left in it =P |
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| 15:09.52 | Landon | smells fishy to me |
| 15:10.02 | kblin | PeepOle: in general we consider people to be able to use google before being involved in the google summer of code ;) |
| 15:10.29 | scorche | Landon: well, people expect a lake to smell fishy whether it has fish in it or not |
| 15:10.29 | kblin | because apart from funding open source projects, google sports a pretty decent search engine |
| 15:10.42 | gustavonarea | Hello. I'd like to nominate a project which is not backed by a registered non-profit, but I've seen that we'd have to send some official forms to get the $500 per student. Do we have to ask a registered organization to represent us? Or we can do it ourselves and forget about the money (we don't care too much about it anyway) |
| 15:10.50 | gustavonarea | ? |
| 15:11.10 | scorche | gustavonarea: no nominations are done...the organization needs to apply |
| 15:11.11 | lh | gustavonarea: you do not need to take the money. |
| 15:11.29 | scorche | oh...project |
| 15:11.33 | scorche | re-reads |
| 15:11.33 | kblin | gustavonarea: you can just sign up and figure out who of you will get the money, you don't need to be registered as a non-profit |
| 15:11.35 | lh | gustavonarea: so go ahead and apply. if you decide to later, you can donate the funds, e.g. to the software freedom law center, etc. |
| 15:11.36 | mlankhorst | mmm |
| 15:11.44 | mlankhorst | 241 people, still lot less than last year :) |
| 15:11.55 | scorche | mlankhorst: patience... |
| 15:11.58 | mlankhorst | I know |
| 15:12.02 | kblin | ~when |
| 15:12.03 | ibot | later |
| 15:12.10 | kblin | gives ibot a cookie |
| 15:12.16 | gustavonarea | scorche, lh, kblin: ok, thanks! :) |
| 15:12.18 | Raim | mlankhorst: could also mean the site is more self-explaining now ;) |
| 15:12.23 | mlankhorst | It was surprising though, soon after I had created the channel people already trickled in. |
| 15:13.12 | pygi | lh, hi kid |
| 15:13.19 | mlankhorst | kid? eep |
| 15:13.19 | pygi | kblin, mlankhorst : greetings humans |
| 15:13.24 | lh | pygi: greetings my child. |
| 15:13.29 | lh | gustavonarea: yw |
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| 15:13.43 | mlankhorst | ok that's enough chat for me, I'm off |
| 15:13.56 | lh | mlankhorst: depends on why last year. for the duplicate resolution meeting we had like 600 people. |
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| 15:14.00 | lh | mlankhorst: rest well |
| 15:14.12 | mlankhorst | lh: Right before the end of student deadline we had 900.. |
| 15:14.22 | lh | mlankhorst: damn. |
| 15:14.22 | mlankhorst | think we broke the 1000 |
| 15:14.30 | shyamheartbreak1 | hey where do i get the ideas list :) am new help me:) |
| 15:14.34 | scorche | i dont think we broke 1k |
| 15:14.35 | kblin | it was busy as hell |
| 15:14.40 | lh | well, we also waited to announce on the official google blog, so that will change some things |
| 15:14.42 | mlankhorst | shyamheartbreak1: read the faq |
| 15:14.44 | spectie | shyamheartbreak1, there are many |
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| 15:14.47 | kblin | but the conflict resolution was scrolling faster |
| 15:14.47 | spectie | ~faq |
| 15:14.48 | ibot | The GSoC 2009 FAQ is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 15:14.48 | lh | still remembers that day with glee |
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| 15:14.50 | summatusmentis | shyamheartbreak1: the org creates one... |
| 15:14.54 | spectie | read the faq --^ |
| 15:15.08 | thebolt | lh: it was fun |
| 15:15.11 | shyamheartbreak1 | ok thanks:) |
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| 15:15.41 | thebolt | #gsoc-freakout also had quite some traffic while conflict resolution was in motion in here (and just after) |
| 15:16.24 | summatusmentis | bn2vs: that wasn't here though, conflict resolution was #gsoc-mentors or something right? |
| 15:16.31 | summatusmentis | wow... I meant kblin |
| 15:16.35 | thebolt | summatusmentis: it was here |
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| 15:16.39 | thebolt | (i still have the log) |
| 15:16.53 | summatusmentis | were students not allowed here then? |
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| 15:17.00 | summatusmentis | I don't remember this at all |
| 15:17.03 | scorche | they were |
| 15:17.12 | summatusmentis | must've completely missed it |
| 15:17.14 | dberkholz | i think conflict resolution was something like #conflict-resolution |
| 15:17.15 | kblin | it was a different channel |
| 15:17.18 | dberkholz | channel just for that |
| 15:17.48 | scorche | #duplicate-resolution was the channel |
| 15:17.57 | summatusmentis | oh |
| 15:18.02 | summatusmentis | that would be why I wasn't there |
| 15:18.10 | thebolt | ah right.. |
| 15:18.16 | thebolt | but the worst was 10 days later, in here |
| 15:18.26 | mlankhorst | that's what I meant |
| 15:18.29 | thebolt | when the final project assignments or so where announced (april 28th) |
| 15:18.30 | mlankhorst | we had to mute the channel :S |
| 15:18.36 | summatusmentis | that I remember :) |
| 15:18.42 | thebolt | i can easily see that from the log file size :) |
| 15:18.44 | scorche | mlankhorst: we were racing to be the one to mute it =P |
| 15:18.51 | mlankhorst | and daniel berlin came in |
| 15:18.51 | aghisla | bye folks see you tomorrow |
| 15:18.54 | mlankhorst | and it was madness lol |
| 15:18.57 | thebolt | a normal day in here is 100-150kb.. |
| 15:19.00 | thebolt | that day was 800kb |
| 15:19.16 | scorche | it will come again... |
| 15:19.24 | thebolt | (conflict resolution was quite in comparison.. only 170kb) |
| 15:19.45 | lh | these are the moments we live for folks. 1K chan peak. |
| 15:19.53 | lh | sits back on free couch and sips coffee |
| 15:19.58 | Catfish_Man | it is a good day to log! |
| 15:19.58 | scorche | ehhh...i dont think it was that high, but.. |
| 15:20.05 | mlankhorst | after that this channel collapses again, briefly lives up for payments |
| 15:20.08 | mlankhorst | and then erm |
| 15:20.08 | lh | Catfish_Man: ^5 |
| 15:20.08 | Catfish_Man | hm. Somehow that doesn't have quite the drama of the original quote |
| 15:20.13 | mlankhorst | we lay dormant again :) |
| 15:20.13 | Catfish_Man | ^5 |
| 15:20.17 | lh | Catfish_Man: i loved it!! |
| 15:20.22 | lh | wanders out in search of coffee |
| 15:20.41 | Catfish_Man | mlankhorst: waiting. watching. |
| 15:20.49 | scorche | goes digging for the actual peak |
| 15:21.16 | mlankhorst | scorche: 1294? or so |
| 15:21.41 | summatusmentis | wants jasmine tea |
| 15:21.57 | Catfish_Man | Kublai Khan died in 1294 |
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| 15:22.39 | summatusmentis | Catfish_Man: how do you know that? |
| 15:22.45 | Catfish_Man | wikipedia |
| 15:22.46 | kblin | wikipedia? |
| 15:22.50 | summatusmentis | oh |
| 15:23.03 | summatusmentis | was hoping it was something you knew off the top of your head |
| 15:23.10 | Catfish_Man | no, but I will next time |
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| 15:23.28 | summatusmentis | contemplates switching gsoc-students from digest to straight email |
| 15:23.29 | mlankhorst | changes number back to 1942 |
| 15:23.47 | Catfish_Man | woke up at 7 AM after 3.5 hours of sleep, is sort of in drifting free-association mode |
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| 15:24.11 | mlankhorst | summatusmentis: I just stopped delivery on gsoc-students, everyone asked the same questions all the time, I was amazed LH could keepu p |
| 15:24.16 | mlankhorst | keep up* |
| 15:24.34 | summatusmentis | mlankhorst: well, presumably it starts again? |
| 15:24.35 | kblin | it's worse when the program just started |
| 15:24.41 | summatusmentis | at some point? |
| 15:24.48 | mlankhorst | kblin: that's when I turned it off |
| 15:24.53 | mlankhorst | 1000's of emails a day |
| 15:24.57 | scorche | was correct in his conservative estimates |
| 15:25.00 | mlankhorst | lh read them all, replied to all |
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| 15:25.08 | mlankhorst | I couldn't do that |
| 15:25.21 | scorche | you guys exaggerate way too much =P |
| 15:25.31 | summatusmentis | mlankhorst: oh, you stopped delivery of it to you |
| 15:25.36 | summatusmentis | not overall :) |
| 15:25.39 | Landon | mlankhorst: I've read them all ... :P |
| 15:25.48 | mlankhorst | O_O |
| 15:26.10 | scorche | Peak for #gsoc@freenode: 874 (Mon Apr 21 14:44:36 2008) |
| 15:26.11 | mlankhorst | the google groups interface sucks bad though |
| 15:26.19 | Catfish_Man | mlankhorst: you are the emails |
| 15:26.33 | summatusmentis | I kinda like Google Groups |
| 15:27.03 | mlankhorst | really g2g now |
| 15:27.30 | Landon | doh |
| 15:27.35 | Landon | I take such precautions |
| 15:27.39 | Landon | every day |
| 15:27.43 | summatusmentis | against? |
| 15:27.47 | Landon | and yet, today, I start my day off with my fly open |
| 15:27.48 | Landon | :\ |
| 15:27.51 | summatusmentis | oh |
| 15:27.54 | summatusmentis | :-D |
| 15:28.06 | kblin | there's worse |
| 15:28.12 | Catfish_Man | sometimes your fly is open. sometimes your fly opens you. |
| 15:28.17 | Landon | o.O |
| 15:28.26 | kblin | at least you were wearing pants :) |
| 15:28.29 | Landon | Catfish_Man: sounds horrific |
| 15:28.32 | summatusmentis | Catfish_Man: that's frightening |
| 15:28.48 | Landon | kblin: it'd take a pretty low roll for me to fail that check |
| 15:29.01 | lh | Landon: rotflmao. |
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| 15:29.13 | kblin | Landon: well, you could wear a kilt, that'd avoid problems with your fly |
| 15:29.25 | lh | applauds kblin's suggestion |
| 15:29.25 | Catfish_Man | also it'd be way more badass |
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| 15:29.26 | Landon | kblin: totally, but then I'd have problems with the cold weather |
| 15:29.26 | Landon | :P |
| 15:29.53 | kblin | dunno, my biggest issue with kilts is the lack of pockets |
| 15:30.08 | Catfish_Man | utilikilts have pockets don't they? |
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| 15:30.18 | dberkholz | it's scary that you know that |
| 15:30.20 | summatusmentis | utilikilts? |
| 15:30.33 | kblin | Catfish_Man: that's cheating |
| 15:30.39 | Catfish_Man | summatusmentis: http://www.utilikilts.com/ |
| 15:31.03 | Catfish_Man | kblin: I'm strangely ok with cheating at clothing :P |
| 15:31.13 | summatusmentis | oh shit yeah! do want |
| 15:31.34 | Landon | tuxedo kilt :o |
| 15:31.37 | summatusmentis | although it's less clear that they're kilts |
| 15:31.53 | scorche | utilikilts charge way too much =< |
| 15:32.05 | Catfish_Man | yeah, that's the main problem :/ |
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| 15:32.25 | kblin | Catfish_Man: there's that |
| 15:32.27 | Catfish_Man | supposedly they're pretty high quality though, so I imagine it'd last a while |
| 15:32.41 | kblin | speaking of clothing |
| 15:33.40 | summatusmentis | what about it? |
| 15:33.43 | scorche | oh noes...they have some kilts with cargo pockets on them...now i have to get one.. |
| 15:34.19 | summatusmentis | if you're buying those, why not just buy a skirt with cargo pockets? same concept, and probably cheaper |
| 15:34.31 | scorche | The Survivals maximum capacity is 20 Bottles of the survival beverage of your choice. Thats six in the front slant pockets, ten in the cargo pockets and four in the back. |
| 15:34.40 | scorche | ..........nice |
| 15:34.43 | Catfish_Man | hahaha |
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| 15:34.48 | MatthewWilkes | Cool, CMS watch has published the latest subway map: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8zYMpfKI5UY/SbY3lLntc1I/AAAAAAAAAhQ/Wlct9WIbYbg/s1600/CMS-Watch-subway-map-2009-large.jpg |
| 15:35.00 | antarus | the day I can stab users in the face over the internet is the day I'll be a happy man |
| 15:35.29 | Landon | summatusmentis: or sew your own :P |
| 15:35.42 | summatusmentis | Landon: also a possibility |
| 15:35.43 | Landon | scorche: also a favorite at $SPORTING_EVENT ? |
| 15:35.45 | dberkholz | antarus: and the next day is the day you'll be in jail. =) |
| 15:36.00 | scorche | eeeeeeek...$150 |
| 15:36.10 | antarus | 'waa waa waa you masked truecrypt due to complex licensing issues, unmask it now!' |
| 15:36.38 | dberkholz | i wish people would just use a normal license. |
| 15:36.40 | Landon | scorche: :| |
| 15:36.51 | dberkholz | stuff like that is such a huge waste of time |
| 15:37.15 | antarus | shrugs |
| 15:37.23 | z4chh | this confuses me: 11. What happens if two students are accepted to work on the same project, e.g. from an organization's "Ideas" list? Answer: That's fine, a little duplication is par for the course in open source. ...does that mean two students work separately on the same project? |
| 15:37.41 | Catfish_Man | z4chh: yes, adium accepted two students to improve our test suite last year |
| 15:37.57 | summatusmentis | whoa, is that different? |
| 15:38.03 | z4chh | do they do the same task? |
| 15:38.04 | antarus | summatusmentis: no |
| 15:38.07 | summatusmentis | I was was under the impression students couldn't work on the same thing |
| 15:38.19 | antarus | its been like for a few years, iirc |
| 15:38.20 | scorche | z4chh: it is up to the org...they may choose to do something else |
| 15:38.24 | eean | z4chh: but um generally organizations dont' accept two students for the same project |
| 15:38.31 | eean | eg KDE would never do that |
| 15:38.31 | dberkholz | they can't share responsibility for completing a single project proposal |
| 15:38.32 | Catfish_Man | summatusmentis: they can't work collaboratively |
| 15:38.37 | scorche | summatusmentis: not together...but both working on the same project by themselves is |
| 15:38.46 | scorche | "legal" |
| 15:38.53 | summatusmentis | oh, that's... stupid? |
| 15:38.58 | z4chh | that is odd.. |
| 15:39.07 | summatusmentis | I don't understand why you'd let two students work on the same thing |
| 15:39.07 | z4chh | that would mean the org would have to pick what code to use |
| 15:39.08 | z4chh | o_O |
| 15:39.10 | summatusmentis | separately |
| 15:39.22 | dberkholz | z4chh: follow the linux kernel development sometime =) |
| 15:39.22 | eean | in the case of a test suite its easy to just split up what classes to write unit tests for |
| 15:39.24 | Catfish_Man | summatusmentis: in our case, both projects were improving our test suite |
| 15:39.27 | dberkholz | there are always competing implementations |
| 15:39.29 | Catfish_Man | so there really wasn't any duplication |
| 15:39.43 | scorche | z4chh: well, most orgs i would imagine wouldnt accept 2 students for the same project liek that and would things out/ask the students to consider something else |
| 15:39.56 | summatusmentis | Catfish_Man: because they were working on something that's within the same project, but different enough |
| 15:40.01 | Catfish_Man | also they were taking very different approaches |
| 15:40.18 | scorche | s/would/would work |
| 15:40.22 | z4chh | scorche, why wouldn't they? theyd get more money >.< |
| 15:40.23 | eean | or in the case of kde which always has way more good projects then slots, we would just pick the best application of the two and move on :) |
| 15:40.32 | scorche | z4chh: it sint about the money... |
| 15:40.36 | Catfish_Man | z4chh: there's a limited number of slots per project |
| 15:40.45 | Catfish_Man | and almost always more qualified students than slots available |
| 15:40.54 | scorche | eean: yeah...thats what we did |
| 15:41.17 | z4chh | how are qualifications measured? past experience? |
| 15:41.30 | summatusmentis | that's up to the org |
| 15:41.33 | Catfish_Man | z4chh: everything the organization can think of |
| 15:41.39 | MatthewWilkes | z4chh: We as organisations are very conscious that the money available for SoC isn't unlimited. Taking some for a waste of time is a horrible thought, it'd deprive another community of the chance to do great things |
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| 15:41.41 | scorche | by any number of factors...ask the org you are applying to what they look at |
| 15:41.41 | antarus | I rate based on hotness |
| 15:41.42 | Catfish_Man | the proposal, talking with the student, past experience, etc... |
| 15:42.29 | summatusmentis | antarus: I'm applying to your org, I'm sure I'll get in there :-D |
| 15:42.29 | eean | MatthewWilkes: yea, organizations can always offer up slots back to the 'pool' |
| 15:42.35 | eean | and they do |
| 15:43.00 | MatthewWilkes | Indeed |
| 15:43.39 | antarus | summatusmentis: O RLY? |
| 15:43.43 | antarus | summatusmentis: what do you want to work on? |
| 15:43.49 | scorche | we did last year |
| 15:43.58 | scorche | (gave a slot to the pool, that is) |
| 15:44.00 | kblin | summatusmentis: had to go take care of the laundry |
| 15:44.10 | summatusmentis | antarus: that was a joke, as I'm clearly the hottest person here. |
| 15:44.18 | Landon | summatusmentis: clearly you haven't seen me |
| 15:44.19 | Landon | few have |
| 15:44.24 | Landon | since I tend to blind them with my brilliant hotness |
| 15:44.28 | antarus | :( |
| 15:44.33 | antarus | we need students dammit |
| 15:44.34 | scorche | the student we were planning on giving that slot to ran away to a different org and we had no decent apps left |
| 15:44.40 | dberkholz | last year we had about twice as many students i'd have been happy to take as we had slots |
| 15:44.40 | IngoRenner | Hi there, I'd created a leaderboard format banner for GSoC and just now found out that the license for the GSoC logo does not allow derivative work, why is that? |
| 15:44.46 | summatusmentis | antarus: I'm applying to OpenAFS again, sorry dude! |
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| 15:44.52 | antarus | ppffftt |
| 15:44.55 | antarus | openAFS |
| 15:45.10 | Landon | antarus: what is your org? |
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| 15:45.15 | antarus | Gentoo ;) |
| 15:45.19 | Landon | oh right :P |
| 15:45.32 | scorche | IngoRenner: google legal stuffs, i would imagine... |
| 15:45.46 | summatusmentis | antarus: ppfftt Gentoo |
| 15:45.48 | summatusmentis | so there |
| 15:45.53 | antarus | agrees |
| 15:45.57 | eean | IngoRenner: just ignore it, probably no one will say anything ;) |
| 15:45.59 | scorche | IngoRenner: you can resize it if that is all you needed to do... |
| 15:46.05 | IngoRenner | how about sending the banner to Google as a contribution, making it available to everyone? |
| 15:46.09 | sfb | Working on an MMO is much more glamorous. Should I be accepted. (; |
| 15:46.31 | lh | IngoRenner: because our lawyers don't want us to let you do anything to the google brand, nor does our marketing team. i am not going to care what you do with it. |
| 15:46.33 | IngoRenner | actually I suffled some things around to make it fit the format |
| 15:46.42 | scorche | eean: erm....bad idea.. |
| 15:46.52 | IngoRenner | thanks Leslie! |
| 15:46.52 | eean | fine idea, see lh :) |
| 15:46.58 | lh | scorche: no it's a fine idea, but with a yes from google. |
| 15:47.00 | lh | which you have |
| 15:47.02 | lh | :) |
| 15:47.06 | scorche | exactly |
| 15:47.09 | lh | IngoRenner: we trust y'all |
| 15:47.24 | IngoRenner | would you still welcome if I send you the banner? |
| 15:47.25 | z4chh | MatthewWilkes, good point, i hope that is how most orgs think >.< |
| 15:47.33 | lh | IngoRenner: sure, would love to take a look |
| 15:47.40 | scorche | i was referring to the general "just ignore it, probably no one will say anything ;)" stance that some take with licenses =/ |
| 15:47.42 | IngoRenner | will do in a second |
| 15:47.46 | lh | IngoRenner: regarding your email, PM? |
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| 15:47.53 | lh | is going for a coffee then we can chat |
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| 15:48.39 | IngoRenner | fine with me |
| 15:49.03 | pygi | lh, I feel disappointed |
| 15:49.08 | pygi | you stopped drinking cocoa |
| 15:49.09 | pygi | :-/ |
| 15:49.13 | lh | pygi: i can do both |
| 15:49.16 | lh | goes for coffee |
| 15:50.14 | antarus | has a coffee machine by his desk now |
| 15:50.17 | antarus | coffee++ |
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| 15:50.42 | kblin | tea++ |
| 15:50.56 | Landon | cold tea++ |
| 15:51.11 | j-b | hello * |
| 15:51.15 | z4chh | on a scale of 1 to 10, how would you rank the competitiveness of students to be accepted? |
| 15:51.29 | kblin | 23 |
| 15:51.33 | Landon | 11 |
| 15:51.34 | antarus | pi^e |
| 15:51.38 | thebolt | Landon: i totally disliked that before moving here.. now i kind of like it |
| 15:51.44 | pygi | z4chh, depends which ones :) |
| 15:51.46 | Landon | where's here? |
| 15:51.48 | summatusmentis | kblin++ |
| 15:51.50 | thebolt | antarus: if anything e^(i*pi) |
| 15:51.53 | thebolt | Landon: Taiwan |
| 15:51.56 | antarus | z4chh: in past years 80% of apps were complete shite |
| 15:52.00 | z4chh | antarus, that is greater than 10 >.< |
| 15:52.09 | Mathiasd1 | how are the odds for new organisations, when it comes to being accepted? |
| 15:52.12 | antarus | z4chh: but last year they probably improved by 10 times in quality |
| 15:52.14 | Landon | z4chh: I think we got our point through :P |
| 15:52.18 | antarus | Mathiasd1: stacked against you, iirc |
| 15:52.29 | Mathiasd1 | yeah, that's what I feared |
| 15:52.33 | summatusmentis | Mathiasd1: what org? |
| 15:52.38 | Mathiasd1 | I2P |
| 15:52.52 | Mathiasd1 | submission will probably be today or tomorrow |
| 15:52.56 | summatusmentis | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I2P |
| 15:52.57 | kblin | Mathiasd1: well, usually I'd say p, where p = 1-q and 0 <= q <= 1 |
| 15:52.59 | summatusmentis | ? |
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| 15:53.16 | thebolt | kblin: :) |
| 15:53.28 | Mathiasd1 | yes, summatusmentis |
| 15:53.33 | summatusmentis | intriguing |
| 15:53.38 | Mathiasd1 | thanks, kblin :p extremely helpful ;) |
| 15:53.39 | antarus | kblin: thanks, now i have a headache ;p |
| 15:53.48 | summatusmentis | anonymizing has always interested |
| 15:53.49 | summatusmentis | me8 |
| 15:53.52 | summatusmentis | me** |
| 15:54.08 | Mathiasd1 | same for me (obviously :p), summatusmentis |
| 15:54.17 | summatusmentis | well, granted :-D |
| 15:54.27 | Mathiasd1 | I'd actually like to work on the project as a student, but that would require the project getting accepted first |
| 15:54.45 | summatusmentis | Mathiasd1: apply anyway :D |
| 15:54.49 | z4chh | anyone here from maemo, or know anyone from maemo? |
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| 15:55.03 | summatusmentis | z4chh: VDVsx is maemo |
| 15:55.44 | kblin | Mathiasd1: well, then get them to apply anyway |
| 15:56.06 | Mathiasd1 | yeah, they will |
| 15:56.22 | Mathiasd1 | I was just wondering about the odds |
| 15:56.26 | Mathiasd1 | ah well, we'll see! :) |
| 15:56.29 | kblin | impossible to tell :) |
| 15:58.12 | sfb | i2p sounds like tor |
| 15:58.40 | Mathiasd1 | yes, it's similar |
| 15:58.50 | Mathiasd1 | they were both started around the same time |
| 15:58.56 | Mathiasd1 | but by different groups |
| 15:59.13 | Mathiasd1 | iirc, the original I2P developers came from freenet |
| 16:00.49 | PeepOle | Mathiasd1: how is i2o different from freenet? |
| 16:00.52 | sfb | That would make sense. Freenet is still "in business" though, are they not? |
| 16:00.54 | PeepOle | *i2p |
| 16:01.35 | Mathiasd1 | i2p uses garlic routing (encryption and passing through multiple routers) |
| 16:01.48 | Mathiasd1 | freenet is more a data store, iirc |
| 16:02.09 | sfb | How does garlic routing differ from onion routing? |
| 16:02.11 | Mathiasd1 | it also passes messages through multiple other routers (and with encryption), but it's more 'high-latency' |
| 16:02.13 | sfb | Other than spice and flavor? |
| 16:02.27 | Mathiasd1 | the difference is in bundling messages, I think |
| 16:02.45 | Mathiasd1 | onion routing just passes each message separately in an onion, while garlic routing can put multiple together |
| 16:03.08 | kblin | pokes sfb |
| 16:03.16 | kblin | hey there, how's life? |
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| 16:06.13 | MatthewWilkes | Got lemon jelly stuck in my head |
| 16:06.24 | MatthewWilkes | All the ducks are swimming in the water, fal de ral de ral do |
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| 16:12.53 | GAdmiral_Matt | hello all |
| 16:14.33 | GAdmiral_Matt | are their any mentor organizations available for chat? |
| 16:15.01 | thebolt | mentor organization _candidates_ at this point.. at most ;) |
| 16:15.45 | GAdmiral_Matt | yes that is what I mean |
| 16:16.03 | GAdmiral_Matt | yesterday I was able to speak with someone from Atheme |
| 16:16.12 | GAdmiral_Matt | are their any other potential projects out there |
| 16:16.37 | GAdmiral_Matt | I am interested in knowing specifically pertaining to java and c++ |
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| 16:18.03 | GAdmiral_Matt | I know it is very important to get into contact with potential mentoring organizations |
| 16:19.02 | sfb | GAdmiral_Matt: I'm sure there's a handful of us around. |
| 16:19.07 | sfb | kblin: Hi |
| 16:19.22 | sfb | Oh Kai! |
| 16:19.23 | sfb | hahah |
| 16:19.25 | sfb | Wow, LTNS |
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| 16:19.38 | sfb | Is WF doing GSoC again this year? |
| 16:19.50 | sfb | You guys had 3 students last year, looks like it was successful. |
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| 16:28.18 | GAdmiral_Matt | sorry I went to grab a bite to eat back |
| 16:28.20 | GAdmiral_Matt | that's good |
| 16:29.11 | GAdmiral_Matt | well if any of you guys want to discuss projects I'll be up here |
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| 16:30.58 | toad_ | what is "Public Email" in the org application form? |
| 16:31.04 | toad_ | it doesn't have a tooltip ... |
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| 16:34.44 | VDVsx | toad_, that info is in the User's guide :) |
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| 16:35.35 | sfb | toad_: It's an email that to-be-mentors and to-be-students can contact the organization admin(s), basically. |
| 16:35.59 | toad_ | hmmm so my email address, if i am applying as the primary admin? |
| 16:36.06 | toad_ | or does it need to be a shared account? |
| 16:36.14 | sfb | GAdmiral_Matt: A good start would be to look at the 2008 GSoC info since previous orgs will be given preference, iirc. |
| 16:36.27 | sfb | I think that's up to you. |
| 16:36.32 | GAdmiral_Matt | yeah |
| 16:36.34 | toad_ | or a mailing list even... |
| 16:36.35 | sfb | How do people contact your project? |
| 16:37.26 | toad_ | students will generally be able to contact a specific admin if they need to send private info? |
| 16:37.51 | toad_ | user's guide says a mailing list can work, so i'll put that for redundancy |
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| 16:44.58 | sfb | GAdmiral_Matt: Do you have an area of interest already? |
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| 16:46.06 | GAdmiral_Matt | java and c++ |
| 16:46.11 | GAdmiral_Matt | either patching existing code |
| 16:46.20 | GAdmiral_Matt | or helping to build up a new project |
| 16:46.47 | sfb | Nothing specific? Like "writing device drivers is interesting" or "I'm really good with sound, I'd like to work on DSPs." |
| 16:47.22 | Catfish_Man | work on writing an OS in malbolge! |
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| 16:47.40 | sfb | heh |
| 16:47.54 | ankush | GAdmiral_Matt: well i love working with JAVA APIa |
| 16:47.57 | ankush | APIs |
| 16:48.11 | GAdmiral_Matt | I love writing for input and output applications |
| 16:48.31 | GAdmiral_Matt | I once wrote a gui that would read a local database and process user input to arrange the items in specific orders |
| 16:48.41 | GAdmiral_Matt | but I'm pretty flexible |
| 16:48.50 | GAdmiral_Matt | I'm not very experienced with writing device drivers |
| 16:48.57 | GAdmiral_Matt | but I can learn pretty fast |
| 16:49.24 | ajuonline | ^5's Catfish_Man |
| 16:49.32 | Catfish_Man | ^5 |
| 16:49.44 | Catfish_Man | old school gsoc irc; malbolge OSs and unicorn bakeries |
| 16:49.55 | ankush | sfb: i worked with some APIs to develop a mp3 player in java |
| 16:49.59 | sfb | GAdmiral_Matt: Do you have a UI toolkit you prefer, one that you're comfortable with? |
| 16:50.02 | GAdmiral_Matt | ankush:I love working with JAVA APi's to |
| 16:50.44 | GAdmiral_Matt | well I prefer GEDIT, eclipse, and visual studio, and blood-dev |
| 16:50.55 | GAdmiral_Matt | just depends if I'm in linux or windows at the time |
| 16:51.03 | GAdmiral_Matt | sometimes wordpad |
| 16:51.11 | GAdmiral_Matt | wait |
| 16:51.13 | GAdmiral_Matt | wrong question |
| 16:51.14 | GAdmiral_Matt | sorry |
| 16:51.20 | PeepOle | Is malbolge good for anything? |
| 16:51.25 | GAdmiral_Matt | UI toolkit you mean like GTK? |
| 16:51.25 | Catfish_Man | no |
| 16:51.36 | GAdmiral_Matt | stf: like GTK? |
| 16:51.38 | sfb | GAdmiral_Matt: Yeah. |
| 16:51.41 | GAdmiral_Matt | sorry |
| 16:51.44 | sfb | GAdmiral_Matt: GTK, Qt, Swing, etc. |
| 16:51.54 | sfb | is just asking questions to spur conversation. (= |
| 16:51.55 | GAdmiral_Matt | I've worked with swing some |
| 16:52.08 | GAdmiral_Matt | I've really wanted to do a GTK project though |
| 16:52.15 | PeepOle | So malbolge is just a joke? |
| 16:52.26 | Catfish_Man | PeepOle: yup. Took years to write hello world in |
| 16:52.38 | Catfish_Man | they had to approach it like a crytography problem |
| 16:52.42 | Catfish_Man | *cryptography |
| 16:52.52 | GAdmiral_Matt | I've been doing some independent research but I haven't had a good basis in GTK |
| 16:52.57 | PeepOle | not cool |
| 16:53.03 | PeepOle | :( |
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| 16:53.15 | Catfish_Man | what's wrong with joke languages? particularly clever ones |
| 16:53.26 | sfb | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:53.26 | sfb | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:53.32 | sfb | That's Hello, World, in Malbolge. |
| 16:53.33 | sfb | FYI |
| 16:53.38 | Catfish_Man | heh |
| 16:53.42 | _sj_ | demonic |
| 16:54.01 | GAdmiral_Matt | yeah |
| 16:54.05 | sfb | GAdmiral_Matt: I'm sure there are projects out there that will need work done in GTK. |
| 16:54.13 | GAdmiral_Matt | right |
| 16:54.19 | GAdmiral_Matt | sfb:right |
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| 16:54.52 | GAdmiral_Matt | sfb:where did you learn Malbolge? |
| 16:54.57 | sfb | GAdmiral_Matt: I mean if you want to talk specifics again a lot of the orgs that were on in 2008 have their 2009 ideas posted. |
| 16:54.59 | MatthewWilkes | sfb: The thing that really annoys me about malbolge is there's no 'e' |
| 16:55.03 | sfb | GAdmiral_Matt: I didn't. Wikipedia FTW. |
| 16:55.06 | ajuonline | ^5's Catfish_Man |
| 16:55.09 | GAdmiral_Matt | lol |
| 16:55.13 | MatthewWilkes | GAdmiral_Matt: Nobody leanrs Malbolge, it is brute forced |
| 16:55.14 | ajuonline | oops |
| 16:55.20 | sfb | haha |
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| 16:55.34 | GAdmiral_Matt | I bet |
| 16:56.13 | sfb | GAdmiral_Matt: I know I have my ideas list up... Its kind of required to apply. (= |
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| 16:57.52 | GAdmiral_Matt | cool what's the link to your site |
| 16:57.56 | GAdmiral_Matt | wait |
| 16:57.58 | GAdmiral_Matt | don't tell me |
| 16:58.04 | GAdmiral_Matt | I'll be clever and figure it out |
| 16:58.06 | GAdmiral_Matt | haha |
| 16:58.07 | sfb | hahah |
| 16:58.11 | sfb | Okay |
| 16:58.32 | sfb | I'm a new org so I'm trying not to get too far ahead of myself. |
| 16:58.49 | sfb | I'll be much more chatty if I find out I'm on the A-list on the 18th |
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| 16:59.42 | GAdmiral_Matt | does it have anything to do with OpenMNS? |
| 17:00.54 | GAdmiral_Matt | sfb:OpenMNS? |
| 17:01.05 | sfb | GAdmiral_Matt: Negatory. OpenNMS isn't applying this year, TMK. |
| 17:01.14 | GAdmiral_Matt | my bad |
| 17:01.22 | GAdmiral_Matt | um, let's see |
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| 17:01.29 | sfb | No, I can see where that comes from. I do a lot of code for them. |
| 17:01.29 | sfb | haha |
| 17:01.58 | GAdmiral_Matt | yeah |
| 17:02.00 | GAdmiral_Matt | hmm |
| 17:02.16 | sfb | I assure you there's one more project you'll see my name attached to.. |
| 17:03.15 | kblin | sfb: yeah, sorry. got distracted on wikipedia :) |
| 17:03.16 | GAdmiral_Matt | sfb:svnc |
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| 17:03.28 | sfb | Nope? |
| 17:03.30 | GAdmiral_Matt | lol |
| 17:03.32 | GAdmiral_Matt | my bad |
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| 17:03.44 | sfb | kblin: So how have things been? |
| 17:03.50 | GAdmiral_Matt | sfb:NEL |
| 17:03.53 | sfb | Yup. |
| 17:03.56 | sfb | Hopefully... |
| 17:04.01 | MatthewWilkes | moin Lennie |
| 17:04.05 | Lennie | hi |
| 17:04.09 | Lennie | hi MatthewWilkes :) |
| 17:04.24 | Lennie | wassup? |
| 17:04.29 | GAdmiral_Matt | hi Matt's |
| 17:04.36 | karsten_ | hey. just found a typo in the faq. the student application deadline has two times for PDT. |
| 17:04.57 | sfb | kblin: Are you doing WF again this year? |
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| 17:05.05 | kblin | sfb: yeah, if we get in :) |
| 17:05.28 | sfb | You were in last year right? |
| 17:05.35 | MatthewWilkes | Lennie: Good, good, going to do my app tonight :) |
| 17:05.42 | kblin | yeah, three students, one of them still active :) |
| 17:05.43 | Lennie | cool |
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| 17:05.53 | GAdmiral_Matt | that's cool |
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| 17:06.12 | GAdmiral_Matt | I could see myself being active even after a project gets complete |
| 17:06.15 | sfb | kblin: That's pretty good. Most of the work on Ember? |
| 17:06.28 | MatthewWilkes | Lennie: Is Pawel doing the app for melange? |
| 17:06.32 | Lennie | yes |
| 17:06.35 | sfb | GAdmiral_Matt: It depends on the community you get involved in and whether you like the code experience. |
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| 17:06.52 | sfb | GAdmiral_Matt: I think community is really important which is why I gravitate to small-mid sized projects. |
| 17:07.15 | GAdmiral_Matt | yeah |
| 17:07.23 | kblin | sfb: yeah, all of the projects were ember-related. this year, it looks like alriddoch has time to mentor, so we might see a cyphesis project as well |
| 17:07.30 | MatthewWilkes | Lennie: :) Any students expressed interest yet? |
| 17:07.35 | kblin | and I've started a media repository project |
| 17:07.58 | GAdmiral_Matt | sfb:I've done volunteer code work before, but I was the lone programmer, and my boss kinda gave up on his own project |
| 17:08.23 | GAdmiral_Matt | MatthewWilkes:I'm a student expressing interest in projects |
| 17:08.23 | sfb | GAdmiral_Matt: Sometimes it's really fun to be the lone coder but I've learned that I like having at least a pair. |
| 17:09.00 | ajuonline | Lennie: done with tbbt and Heroes ;) |
| 17:09.02 | GAdmiral_Matt | sfb:oh I had a lot of fun, I learned so much too about every aspect of my project, even learned how to work a local database and use .net |
| 17:09.06 | Lennie | ajuonline, dont spoiler :P |
| 17:09.07 | sfb | kblin: A Cyphesis project eh? What kind of work do you think? |
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| 17:09.12 | Lennie | ajuonline, I only watched tbbt yet |
| 17:09.14 | GAdmiral_Matt | sfb:but you're right, its good to have a partner |
| 17:09.23 | Lennie | MatthewWilkes, we might have one |
| 17:09.38 | Lennie | MatthewWilkes, but we'll see :) |
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| 17:09.57 | kblin | sfb: I have no idea. that's alriddoch's realm :) |
| 17:10.03 | sfb | kblin: ahh, haha. |
| 17:10.09 | kblin | sfb: I'm working on Wombat these days |
| 17:10.11 | Lennie | ajuonline, step 1 locate the emergency key to our apartment ^_^ |
| 17:10.21 | sfb | What's Wombat? That's something that came after I left. |
| 17:10.22 | GAdmiral_Matt | sfb:Kdevelop? |
| 17:10.23 | PerryArmstrong | hey everyone i am new to open source projects...can i still participate??? |
| 17:10.33 | ajuonline | Lennie: step 2: go to our apartment? |
| 17:10.42 | GAdmiral_Matt | hi PerryArmstrong |
| 17:10.42 | sfb | GAdmiral_Matt: We support KDevelop in theory for Linux development. |
| 17:10.53 | sfb | GAdmiral_Matt: You can generate KDevelop projects via CMake. |
| 17:10.57 | kblin | sfb: a media repository tool, web-based |
| 17:11.17 | GAdmiral_Matt | sfb:cool so is that your project CMake ? |
| 17:11.21 | sfb | kblin: I remember when you, Pato and I talked about something like that. Nothing ever became of it back then so I'm glad to see progress on it! |
| 17:11.24 | Lennie | ajuonline hehe, no idea but sheldon was all hyped up :P |
| 17:11.31 | PerryArmstrong | GAdmiral_Matt; hii...can you answer that? |
| 17:11.40 | sfb | GAdmiral_Matt: No, NeL is my project. But we use CMake as our build environment and our Linux coders use KDevelop. |
| 17:11.52 | sfb | GAdmiral_Matt: But most of the coders work in VS2005 Express |
| 17:12.09 | GAdmiral_Matt | PerryArmstrong: I'm not sure if you're a mentor I have no idea, students haven't had a chance to apply yet, the mentors are waiting to be confirmed I think |
| 17:12.19 | kblin | sfb: it basically started when erik found a pretty bad php script that would have done part of the job if the media repo was 6 kB instead of 6GB |
| 17:12.22 | GAdmiral_Matt | sfb:wow, I could go with a project like that |
| 17:12.35 | GAdmiral_Matt | sfb:working in either linux or windows is a cool thing for me |
| 17:12.46 | sfb | GAdmiral_Matt: Everything we do has to work on Windows, Linux and OSX. |
| 17:12.54 | PerryArmstrong | GAdmiral_Matt; you mean students can't participate |
| 17:12.57 | ajuonline | Lennie: yeah :P |
| 17:13.12 | sfb | PerryArmstrong: He means that the student application period hasn't started yet. |
| 17:13.33 | sfb | PerryArmstrong: But being new to open-source as a student isn't necessarily a barrier. There's no harm in applying. |
| 17:13.44 | GAdmiral_Matt | sfb:that's exactly right |
| 17:13.44 | sfb | PerryArmstrong: It could prove to be a really good experience. |
| 17:14.06 | GAdmiral_Matt | sfb:I have no official open source experience, but that's what this would do for me if I got in |
| 17:14.16 | sfb | See. |
| 17:14.17 | sfb | hehe |
| 17:14.25 | Catfish_Man | we've actually slightly prioritized new-to-oss students before |
| 17:14.34 | sfb | kblin: Henri started something for school similar to what you;'re talking about |
| 17:14.35 | PerryArmstrong | sfb; vow thank you....i came to know about this last year..but then it was too late for me to apply as the deadlines had crossed |
| 17:14.44 | GAdmiral_Matt | hi Catfish: are you involved with google? |
| 17:14.58 | sfb | kblin: It was modeled after some commercial product. I'll have to find it. It was pretty neat. It had comments, versions, metadata and security. |
| 17:15.00 | Catfish_Man | no, I was a mentor/admin for Adium the last few years |
| 17:15.11 | kblin | sfb: open source? |
| 17:15.17 | sfb | kblin: Yeah. |
| 17:15.30 | kblin | interesting :) |
| 17:15.35 | GAdmiral_Matt | Catfish:What kinds of projects are available for Adium thi syear? |
| 17:15.36 | sfb | kblin: He made it for school so all of the comments are in Russian or Estonian, probably the latter. |
| 17:15.59 | kblin | http://wiki.worldforge.org/wiki/Wombat |
| 17:16.10 | kblin | hehe, and he probably used php... :) |
| 17:16.22 | lut4rp | stretches and yawns |
| 17:16.29 | Catfish_Man | GAdmiral_Matt: it's unclear if we'll be participating. A lot of the development team has gotten jobs and other commitments in the last year |
| 17:16.43 | sfb | kblin: Who did? Henri? |
| 17:16.44 | GAdmiral_Matt | Catfish:oh okay |
| 17:16.49 | sfb | kblin: He used Java actually. |
| 17:16.55 | kblin | sfb: oh, I see |
| 17:16.55 | GAdmiral_Matt | sfb:did I hear java |
| 17:17.04 | Catfish_Man | GAdmiral_Matt: also it's an objective-c project, so you probably wouldn't be interested |
| 17:17.05 | sfb | GAdmiral_Matt: Yeah, different project. Old project. |
| 17:17.09 | lut4rp | who got the maximum number of slots last year? Drupal? |
| 17:17.28 | td123 | lut4rp: I think it was something like kde |
| 17:17.35 | lut4rp | ah |
| 17:17.40 | PerryArmstrong | sfb; so is it really possible for me to work with this project besides i have my semester coming to a close...and i am new to open source projects...never really worked upon |
| 17:17.47 | GAdmiral_Matt | catfish: I'm not too fond of objective C but its not scary to me |
| 17:18.08 | Catfish_Man | ah ok. Surprised to see a Java/C++ person familiar with it as well :) |
| 17:18.08 | td123 | GAdmiral_Matt: on the otherhand I wouldn't be cause dead using obj-c :P |
| 17:18.11 | lut4rp | is looking for any PHP or Python organizations this year. |
| 17:18.24 | td123 | s/cause/caught |
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| 17:18.36 | kblin | sfb: thomas ingham resurfaced recently and helped me with some mad web design skillz for wombat. it's a really nice pet project.. unfortunately, I currently need to take care of getting done with university this year |
| 17:18.43 | GAdmiral_Matt | Catfish: my mom primarly programs in objective C so that's what she taught me first |
| 17:18.52 | Catfish_Man | neat :) |
| 17:19.01 | GAdmiral_Matt | Catfish:this school of mine though has been shoving c++ down my throat, java too |
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| 17:19.23 | td123 | GAdmiral_Matt: I think c++/java are just standard.. |
| 17:19.28 | Catfish_Man | yeah. Good to know a lot of languages though. Each one brings new techniques you can apply elsewhere :) |
| 17:19.42 | Catfish_Man | td123: depends on what you're doing. Certainly very common though |
| 17:19.54 | kblin | objC has the nicer OO paradigm, but yeah, C++/Java will land you more jobs, I guess |
| 17:19.56 | td123 | Catfish_Man: computer science |
| 17:20.02 | GAdmiral_Matt | catfish:yeah, to me programming is programming, languages don't bother me too much |
| 17:20.13 | PerryArmstrong | GAdmiral_Matt; so is it really possible for me to work with this project besides i have my semester coming to a close...and i am new to open source projects...never really worked upon |
| 17:20.20 | td123 | GAdmiral_Matt: you haven't tried haskell then :P |
| 17:20.20 | sfb | kblin: What was Thomas' nick? |
| 17:20.30 | kblin | tingham, I think |
| 17:20.33 | PerryArmstrong | GAdmiral_Matt; but i am interested |
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| 17:20.45 | kblin | sfb: at least that's what he's using these days :) |
| 17:20.47 | GAdmiral_Matt | td123:I haven't tried Molbolge either |
| 17:20.50 | Catfish_Man | td123: C++ and Java are more common in the industry I've found. Scheme/Haskell/ML/etc... are more common in CS |
| 17:21.06 | GAdmiral_Matt | PerryArmstrong: You'll have to check the GSoC site about specific student requirements |
| 17:21.17 | GAdmiral_Matt | Perry:Like you I'm a student too |
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| 17:22.08 | GAdmiral_Matt | sfb:So what exactly is the NeL project concerned with? |
| 17:22.32 | td123 | GAdmiral_Matt: have you looked at any functional programming languages? |
| 17:23.32 | GAdmiral_Matt | td123:not yet, I will next year |
| 17:23.35 | sfb | GAdmiral_Matt: NeL is a MMORPG framework - the basis for creating MMOs. |
| 17:23.48 | sfb | GAdmiral_Matt: It's currently in use with the commercial MMO Ryzom (www.ryzom.com) |
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| 17:24.10 | GAdmiral_Matt | sfb:wow! |
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| 17:24.25 | sfb | GAdmiral_Matt: We're working on the tool chain now, trying to rewrite a lot of ugly MFC tools to use Qt. |
| 17:24.31 | GAdmiral_Matt | sfb:sounds like an exciting project, I have a lot of friends into the MMO stuff |
| 17:24.41 | GAdmiral_Matt | sfb:so kinda like housekeeping |
| 17:24.56 | sfb | GAdmiral_Matt: There's new functionality we need as well ranging from simple to advanced. |
| 17:25.14 | GAdmiral_Matt | sfb:cool, I really hope your project gets in |
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| 17:25.19 | sfb | GAdmiral_Matt: A few new tools are requested plus there's some substantial work around FPs and VPs. |
| 17:25.27 | Catfish_Man | ugh mfc |
| 17:25.41 | sfb | GAdmiral_Matt: The former being easy-to-moderate, the latter being difficult. |
| 17:26.00 | sfb | Catfish_Man: Amen. And some of the code is from the MSVC6 days so MFC is linked in and never used. |
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| 17:26.34 | GAdmiral_Matt | sfb:oh okay, I'm not familiar with the abbreviations FP and VP can you fill me in |
| 17:26.54 | sfb | GAdmiral_Matt: Oh. Fragment Programs and Vertex Programs. Shaders. 3D stuff. |
| 17:27.12 | GAdmiral_Matt | sfb:more cool stuff |
| 17:27.31 | sfb | There's a pretty substantial list on our ideas page. |
| 17:27.46 | GAdmiral_Matt | sfb:cool, can you post a link to it |
| 17:27.58 | GAdmiral_Matt | sfb:even if you don't get in maybe I can still contribute this summer |
| 17:28.43 | sfb | GAdmiral_Matt: http://dev.ryzom.com/wiki/nel/GSoc2009Ideas |
| 17:30.47 | GAdmiral_Matt | sfb:that is an exciting ideas page |
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| 17:31.17 | spectie | is there a central place where prospective organisations can put links to their ideas pages ? |
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| 17:31.48 | cwant | Has anybody listed a URL for an application template rather than entering it in the html editor? (considering whether I should do this) |
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| 17:32.13 | spectie | we entered ours in the edit |
| 17:32.13 | spectie | or |
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| 17:32.53 | rohananil | isnt better not to give the template, so the student figures on how to write the application , have better idea about the project , just a suggestion |
| 17:32.54 | sfb | spectie: It'll be posted on the accepted orgs page too... |
| 17:33.00 | spectie | yes sfb |
| 17:33.07 | spectie | but i mean, prior to the acceptance |
| 17:33.34 | cwant | spectie: yeah, I probably will too. last year the form asked for URL for this, so I was surprised to see the HTML editor |
| 17:34.03 | spectie | same here |
| 17:34.11 | cwant | rohananil: I think it's better to give a template so that you can add additional questions that might weed our unqualified students |
| 17:34.55 | cwant | I guess it's the old battle between quality of applications and quantity of applications though |
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| 17:35.39 | GAdmiral_Matt | sfb:I just registered with the site you gave me |
| 17:36.25 | cwant | s/our/out above |
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| 17:40.11 | sfb | cwant: I just had an URL for my ideas? |
| 17:40.22 | sfb | Oh, editor for the applicant template. Got it. |
| 17:41.12 | cwant | sfb: yeah, last year it asked for URLS for both ideas and template |
| 17:41.44 | sfb | Sorry, nevermind me. |
| 17:42.01 | cwant | no prob :) |
| 17:42.49 | sfb | rohananil: I'd agree with cwant. I can already imagine a student making assumptions about what information to provide. There's no preconception surrounding this application process similar to a resume/CV so you have to sort of invent one giving the student suggestions of things you're interested in. |
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| 17:43.17 | sfb | rohananil: Plus it's a good place to give them input on how to detail out their project proposal. I'm not interested in my students being project managers, I'm interested in them learning and coding. |
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| 18:13.28 | codestr0m | !faq |
| 18:13.43 | codestr0m | ~faq |
| 18:13.43 | ibot | The GSoC 2009 FAQ is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
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| 18:19.25 | zooko | I just posted a call for mentors and ideas for the Tahoe project: http://allmydata.org/pipermail/tahoe-dev/2009-March/001437.html |
| 18:19.31 | zooko | See also channel #tahoe on freenode. |
| 18:19.40 | j-b | is "application template" mandatory? |
| 18:20.21 | Arc | the PSF SoC channel is open, #gsoc-python |
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| 18:22.48 | Arc | j-b, it says "required" next to it |
| 18:23.32 | GabeS | j-b: if you don't have anything to put in, just type "N/A" |
| 18:24.07 | j-b | GabeS: well, we would prefer to have no templates this year, because students with imaginations are nicer :D |
| 18:24.28 | GabeS | hehe |
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| 18:26.37 | dberkholz | my template has a couple of additional requests on it then says the rest is free-form and links to the faq etc. |
| 18:29.08 | zooko | Hm, I was just thinking for ideas for my project, and I realized that a lot of the best ideas are of the form "Stir together my project and $other_project like chocolate and peanut butter.". |
| 18:29.34 | zooko | Hm. I guess after organizations apply then I can see if any of the $other_project 's are also accepted. |
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| 18:30.10 | Catfish_Man | man. I don't like chocolate, and peanut butter is just ok |
| 18:30.14 | Catfish_Man | so that sounds really bad :P |
| 18:33.02 | zooko | :-) |
| 18:33.28 | zooko | I guess I'm dating myself by thinking of a television advertisement for candy when I say that. Better come up with a new metaphor if I want to appeal to students. |
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| 18:35.03 | Catfish_Man | zooko: nah, I knew what you meant |
| 18:35.07 | Catfish_Man | I just chose to think of it literally |
| 18:35.41 | zooko | :-) |
| 18:35.45 | Landon | weeooooooooo weeeoooooo |
| 18:35.47 | Landon | tornado sirens :o |
| 18:36.15 | Landon | I for one, think it'd make more sense to *not* do drills on cloudy days :P but that's just me |
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| 18:37.44 | ixdz | Landon: but then you'd know it was just a drill, so you'd ignore it :) |
| 18:37.54 | Landon | ?? |
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| 18:38.24 | Landon | they *currently* do drills on the second tuesday of the month or whatever the schedule is |
| 18:38.33 | Landon | regardless of weather conditions |
| 18:38.52 | ixdz | sorry, I was just being sarcastic |
| 18:39.21 | Landon | oh I see what you were getting at :p |
| 18:39.24 | Landon | we ignore it anyways >.> |
| 18:39.32 | welterde | hmm... currently wondering about that "What is your plan for dealing with disappearing contributors?" question... |
| 18:39.47 | Catfish_Man | I suggest bears, personally |
| 18:39.50 | welterde | what other options are there other than: "try to contact them"?! |
| 18:40.07 | Kaetemi | hide their invisibility cloaks |
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| 18:46.33 | lh | welterde: there are a lot of options. we want to see what your plan is |
| 18:47.03 | welterde | lh: for example? |
| 18:47.14 | welterde | I can't really think of anything else :/ |
| 18:47.21 | spectie | be creative! |
| 18:47.38 | summatusmentis | ninjas |
| 18:47.40 | summatusmentis | that's my vote |
| 18:47.49 | summatusmentis | google ninjas |
| 18:47.52 | spectie | i'm hearing that |
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| 18:48.04 | Gareth | jbrockmeier: ping |
| 18:48.34 | dberkholz | ah, hey jbrockmeier -- didn't realize your irc nick was different from twitter |
| 18:49.15 | dberkholz | jbrockmeier: cool to see what's happening with linux.com as we talked about at the summit, isn't it? |
| 18:49.19 | lh | welterde: i would lay out a plan for your steps for contact, when you give up, etc. but that's a thought. You really should think this through on your own. |
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| 18:56.37 | welterde | is it possible to add notes to the links to the forums/ideas list/...? |
| 18:56.53 | welterde | like "Warning: very slow" or so? |
| 18:57.08 | lh | welterde: you are welcome to add notes to your ideas list |
| 18:57.17 | lh | if you mean in the text field, yes you can |
| 18:57.28 | welterde | ah.. good :) |
| 18:57.54 | welterde | or sth. like $non_anon_url (anonymous url: $other_url) |
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| 19:06.19 | icy | if a student will graduate this spring, can he still participate in this year's gsoc? |
| 19:07.06 | smtms | I think the answer is in the FAQ |
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| 19:09.20 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: |
| 19:10.08 | spectie | icy, |
| 19:10.10 | spectie | ~faw |
| 19:10.11 | ibot | i guess faw is Felipe Augusto van de Wiel <mailto:felipe.wiel@gmail.com> <http://www.advogato.org/person/faw/> |
| 19:10.11 | spectie | ~faq |
| 19:10.12 | ibot | The GSoC 2009 FAQ is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 19:11.15 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: what's up? |
| 19:11.50 | icy | smtms, spectie. yea thanks. found it |
| 19:11.59 | spectie | np |
| 19:13.30 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: where is the blog post? :P |
| 19:13.45 | summatusmentis | on... |
| 19:13.51 | summatusmentis | oh, on gsoc selection |
| 19:13.54 | summatusmentis | I forgot :) |
| 19:14.24 | ajuonline | sends a tomahawk missile at summatusmentis's head |
| 19:16.13 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: do that please :D |
| 19:16.53 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: harsh |
| 19:17.11 | ajuonline | ok |
| 19:17.28 | ajuonline | ummm, what about telling your sister and asking her to scold you? :P |
| 19:17.33 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: ^ |
| 19:17.51 | summatusmentis | hrr... she's 16, and doesn't like me anyway |
| 19:18.20 | ajuonline | lol, she can mess up on your FB |
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| 19:20.02 | ajuonline | brb, i need to go get some medicines |
| 19:22.52 | GAdmiral_Matt | well cya guys for today |
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| 19:57.42 | summatusmentis | Landon: ping |
| 19:58.16 | summatusmentis | kblin: ping |
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| 19:59.58 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: pong |
| 20:00.07 | MatthewWilkes | hi all! |
| 20:00.14 | ajuonline | hi MatthewWilkes |
| 20:00.19 | anki1 | hello |
| 20:00.20 | Kokito | hello all |
| 20:00.22 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: d'you have a site I can link back to? |
| 20:00.23 | Kokito | I have a question: is it possible to add mentors after the org application has been submitted? |
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| 20:00.37 | summatusmentis | Kokito: I feel like yes, but I don't actually know |
| 20:00.44 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: ajuonline.net or /blog2 for a blog directly |
| 20:00.47 | summatusmentis | hi MatthewWilkes, anki1 |
| 20:00.50 | anki1 | Yes it is |
| 20:00.53 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: preferene? |
| 20:01.01 | summatusmentis | preference* |
| 20:01.19 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: root url :) |
| 20:01.23 | summatusmentis | kk |
| 20:03.00 | anki1 | can we leave the project after being selected . I mean in between. Sounds weired |
| 20:03.17 | summatusmentis | it's highly discouraged |
| 20:03.29 | summatusmentis | but ultimately, they can't force you to stay |
| 20:03.33 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: http://summatusmentis.com/2009/03/10/gsoc-fairness-participation-the-way-things-are/ |
| 20:03.34 | ajuonline | anki1: you waste a lot of resources that way. better not apply. |
| 20:04.05 | sfb | Kokito: You can modify your application up until the deadline on March 13th |
| 20:04.19 | sfb | anki1: Can you as a mentor leave the project? yes. |
| 20:04.22 | Kokito | thanx sfb |
| 20:04.34 | anki1 | In emergency cases one has to d so |
| 20:04.41 | sfb | Oh. Yeah. |
| 20:04.52 | summatusmentis | sfb: oh, you raise a good point, mentor vs. student |
| 20:05.02 | summatusmentis | anki1: my response was assuming you meant as a student |
| 20:05.13 | ajuonline | anki1: mine too. |
| 20:05.17 | sfb | It's different for mentors since they're not getting paid. That's up to the organization administrators to manage, realsitically. |
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| 20:05.23 | anki1 | mine too |
| 20:05.52 | summatusmentis | obviously things come up that are out of your control |
| 20:05.52 | anki1 | @summatusmentis----------nice web |
| 20:05.59 | r0bby | lh hs the patience of a saint |
| 20:06.19 | summatusmentis | however, if you're accepted, and back out, that's a slot that no one can use without a lot of work |
| 20:06.23 | summatusmentis | anki1: thanks :) |
| 20:06.23 | r0bby | half the questions are answered by reading the faq...I'd have flamed but self control/zen and stuff :) |
| 20:06.52 | summatusmentis | r0bby: I assume you mean mailing list? |
| 20:07.16 | r0bby | yeh |
| 20:07.22 | r0bby | I mean jesus |
| 20:07.30 | summatusmentis | well, yes |
| 20:07.30 | ajuonline | r0bby: its not for you. |
| 20:07.33 | ajuonline | you should be banned :P |
| 20:07.35 | r0bby | That reflects horribly on the student :) |
| 20:07.47 | summatusmentis | it is easier to write a question than go looking for the answer |
| 20:07.47 | r0bby | ajuonline: I've not posted in MONTHS |
| 20:08.05 | r0bby | yeh |
| 20:08.07 | ajuonline | r0bby: lololol! |
| 20:08.14 | r0bby | write a question, waste people's time |
| 20:08.21 | r0bby | vs doing a little leg work |
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| 20:08.48 | r0bby | this seems to be a common theme among programming channels |
| 20:08.52 | r0bby | nobody is willing to try |
| 20:09.02 | summatusmentis | well, I'm not excusing it, just saying |
| 20:09.21 | bn2vs | what is GSoC? how can i apply? |
| 20:09.43 | ajuonline | ~faq |
| 20:09.44 | ibot | The GSoC 2009 FAQ is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
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| 20:09.50 | bn2vs | kidding ofc :D |
| 20:09.50 | ajuonline | bn2vs: ^ |
| 20:09.50 | summatusmentis | bn2vs: "what is GSoC"? really? |
| 20:09.54 | summatusmentis | oh |
| 20:09.56 | summatusmentis | :-D |
| 20:10.25 | summatusmentis | I was like, you somehow managed to get into a channel titled #gsoc and have no idea what it is? |
| 20:10.38 | bn2vs | :p |
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| 20:12.28 | summatusmentis | r0bby: are you applying again? |
| 20:12.31 | summatusmentis | presumably? |
| 20:12.45 | r0bby | bn2vs: I was just addressing this issue! In the future, when you have questions like this, check the web site typically there is an FAQ read that |
| 20:13.05 | r0bby | summatusmentis: possibly |
| 20:13.05 | r0bby | I have some issues to sort out w/ openmrs |
| 20:13.18 | summatusmentis | r0bby: sure. There are other orgs too |
| 20:13.24 | r0bby | summatusmentis: nah |
| 20:13.30 | r0bby | OpenMRS is where it's at dude :) |
| 20:13.33 | MatthewWilkes | summatusmentis: Yeah, but openMRS are saving the world ;) |
| 20:13.46 | summatusmentis | MatthewWilkes: yeah yeah :-D |
| 20:13.52 | r0bby | I Love the people and it's amazing knowing what I'm creating is gonna help people |
| 20:14.04 | summatusmentis | rub it in all of our faces that our orgs are just creating distributed filesystems |
| 20:14.06 | summatusmentis | :-P |
| 20:14.20 | MatthewWilkes | summatusmentis: Dude. Content management. |
| 20:14.21 | r0bby | rubs the lotion on its skin... |
| 20:14.30 | r0bby | gets the hose |
| 20:14.36 | ajuonline | MatthewWilkes: so is, Sahana. |
| 20:14.44 | MatthewWilkes | That said, we are used by oxfam for an in-the-field knowledge base |
| 20:14.45 | ajuonline | r0bby: ^ |
| 20:14.46 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: that was my first thought too |
| 20:14.55 | r0bby | MatthewWilkes: =) |
| 20:14.59 | ajuonline | MatthewWilkes: my mentor works for Oxfam :) |
| 20:15.10 | summatusmentis | MatthewWilkes: you're... drupal? |
| 20:15.11 | MatthewWilkes | ajuonline: In oxford? |
| 20:15.14 | MatthewWilkes | summatusmentis: Plone |
| 20:15.18 | summatusmentis | plone, right |
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| 20:15.26 | summatusmentis | I was thinking plongo, but knew that wasn't right |
| 20:15.28 | ajuonline | MatthewWilkes: somewhere in UK, :/ dunno where exactly. |
| 20:15.49 | MatthewWilkes | ajuonline: Well, oxfam are mostly oxford based. OXford FAMine relief |
| 20:15.50 | ajuonline | MatthewWilkes: i can tell you he logs in via oxfam.org.uk ident :P |
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| 20:17.02 | xorAxAx | omg, what a wild chase today |
| 20:17.19 | ajuonline | xorAxAx: where? |
| 20:17.20 | MatthewWilkes | hi there xorAxAx! |
| 20:17.48 | xorAxAx | ajuonline: western germany |
| 20:17.49 | xorAxAx | hi MatthewWilkes |
| 20:18.09 | r0bby | Puns are really the best thing to happen to the english language. |
| 20:18.10 | r0bby | "D |
| 20:18.29 | r0bby | I've yet to find somebody who gets my "Discrete Math" puns :) |
| 20:18.32 | r0bby | giggles |
| 20:18.34 | mordante | !faq |
| 20:18.35 | xorAxAx | lets see if i will find an ultimate justification tomorrow |
| 20:18.41 | summatusmentis | mordante: ~faq |
| 20:18.45 | MatthewWilkes | r0bby: Go ahead⦠|
| 20:18.46 | summatusmentis | ~faq |
| 20:18.47 | ibot | The GSoC 2009 FAQ is here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs |
| 20:18.58 | r0bby | sighs |
| 20:19.00 | summatusmentis | mordante: different bot and all that |
| 20:19.10 | r0bby | grumbles |
| 20:19.17 | mordante | thanks summatusmentis |
| 20:19.25 | summatusmentis | sure thing |
| 20:20.56 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: your homepage, is that static? |
| 20:21.06 | r0bby | somebody needs to download discrete math into my brain |
| 20:21.08 | summatusmentis | or are you using a CMS for that, and then linking to wordpress? |
| 20:21.39 | summatusmentis | r0bby: me too |
| 20:23.23 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: yeah |
| 20:23.35 | summatusmentis | yeah what? static? |
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| 20:23.41 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: yes. |
| 20:23.47 | summatusmentis | hmm |
| 20:24.08 | summatusmentis | has been contemplating a professional site and a personal site |
| 20:24.10 | r0bby | sighs |
| 20:24.20 | r0bby | I want this exam over |
| 20:24.20 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: the root url is a html page. static. yes. blog runs on WP. |
| 20:24.28 | summatusmentis | right right |
| 20:24.31 | ajuonline | r0bby: sleep over it. it will be over. |
| 20:26.01 | r0bby | ajuonline: I'd like to take it, get an A, then be done :) |
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| 20:30.18 | ajuonline | r0bby: whats the fun. sleep over it. |
| 20:30.34 | r0bby | ajuonline: a 0? |
| 20:30.39 | r0bby | Not something i want. |
| 20:30.52 | r0bby | I may hate this class, but i need it! |
| 20:31.06 | ajuonline | r0bby: you need to decide, what you want. do something that you like. :D |
| 20:31.09 | ajuonline | not need |
| 20:31.09 | ajuonline | lol |
| 20:31.22 | r0bby | ajuonline: Welcome to Undergraduate level crap :) |
| 20:31.28 | r0bby | it's called core requirements :P |
| 20:31.38 | ajuonline | r0bby: i know, i am part of it as well. but i did sleep over an exam. |
| 20:31.40 | ajuonline | :D |
| 20:31.57 | ajuonline | my body couldnt handle the lack of sleep. |
| 20:31.59 | r0bby | and then you slept with...nevermind this is so not kosher to say on any level |
| 20:32.13 | ajuonline | and I fell asleep in the exam hall |
| 20:32.24 | r0bby | sighs |
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| 20:38.53 | r0bby | drops a large bowling ball to see if anybody is awake |
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| 20:39.02 | russellb | eep! |
| 20:39.04 | literal | oww, my toe! |
| 20:39.38 | r0bby | Now for my next trick... |
| 20:39.40 | Ivanovic | continues snoring |
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| 20:39.58 | russellb | ~thwack r0bby |
| 20:39.58 | ibot | ACTION beats r0bby on the thumb with a iMac |
| 20:40.16 | Ivanovic | with *an* iMac, ibot |
| 20:40.17 | r0bby | is bored |
| 20:40.22 | r0bby | ugh |
| 20:40.23 | Ivanovic | learn your grammar! |
| 20:40.25 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 20:40.38 | r0bby | Ivanovic: the bot is perfect |
| 20:40.43 | r0bby | how dare you judge it! |
| 20:40.50 | r0bby | How DARE you :) |
| 20:41.03 | Ivanovic | in fact this is quite simple |
| 20:41.07 | Ivanovic | should i elaborate? |
| 20:41.08 | Ivanovic | ^^ |
| 20:41.29 | joszi | ~thwack r0bby |
| 20:41.30 | ibot | ACTION bludgeons r0bby on the eye with a Holy Bible |
| 20:41.31 | r0bby | You're right. I'm wrong. Wait no, that's not right. I'm *ALWAYS* right. |
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| 20:41.48 | vivek | any way to know the mentoring groups who have applied for gsoc ? |
| 20:41.48 | MatthewWilkes | eww, theism |
| 20:42.06 | r0bby | vivek: you'll know when we know |
| 20:42.08 | ThomasWaldmann | moin |
| 20:42.17 | r0bby | openmrs has i believe |
| 20:42.21 | r0bby | pidgin likely |
| 20:42.26 | r0bby | *LIKELY* |
| 20:42.33 | vivek | rObby:any idea about ns-3 ? |
| 20:42.40 | r0bby | why don't you ask them? |
| 20:43.02 | r0bby | vivek: to be a more appealing candidate you should become part of their community prior to the start :) |
| 20:43.08 | spectie | vivek, gnome |
| 20:43.09 | spectie | kde |
| 20:43.24 | spectie | look at the past years list |
| 20:43.35 | vivek | ok. |
| 20:43.47 | spectie | python |
| 20:43.54 | spectie | apertium is applying |
| 20:43.58 | spectie | although we weren't on last years list |
| 20:44.33 | spectie | http://code.google.com/soc/2008/ |
| 20:44.36 | spectie | here is the list from last year |
| 20:45.05 | russellb | my organization is applying this year ... haven't been in it since 2005 ... asterisk.org |
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| 20:45.21 | spectie | asterisk is cool |
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| 20:46.06 | vivek | i will have a look at it. i have a project proposal for ns-3. i should probably try their irc channel . thanks |
| 20:47.50 | xorAxAx | will wear an AAA badge tomorrow :-) |
| 20:48.24 | xorAxAx | (hmm, pretty ambigous, i meant the anthropological one) |
| 20:49.07 | spectie | australian association of anthropology? |
| 20:49.22 | xorAxAx | the american one |
| 20:49.27 | spectie | oh |
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| 20:49.31 | spectie | cool |
| 20:49.42 | xorAxAx | which voted regarding the question whether secret research projects should be supported |
| 20:49.57 | spectie | secret research projects in anthropology ? |
| 20:50.00 | xorAxAx | yep |
| 20:50.04 | xorAxAx | there seem to be a lot |
| 20:50.10 | xorAxAx | the world is bad |
| 20:50.12 | spectie | the part i like about anthropology is where it overlaps with sociolinguistics |
| 20:50.20 | spectie | well, social sciences tend to like to be secretive |
| 20:50.27 | spectie | work hard for 5 years then publish a book |
| 20:50.29 | xorAxAx | for which reason? |
| 20:50.40 | spectie | compscis like to work hard for two weeks and publish a conference paper |
| 20:50.43 | spectie | in my experience |
| 20:50.46 | xorAxAx | it seems to be a lot about campaign planning |
| 20:51.27 | xorAxAx | in the sense that companies need a lot of "media data" to target markets |
| 20:51.35 | xorAxAx | and understand how media circulates |
| 20:52.23 | spectie | ah |
| 20:52.44 | spectie | so more commercial anthropology then |
| 20:52.45 | xorAxAx | socioeconomic metrics and reports seem to be worth it |
| 20:53.08 | spectie | i was thinking of more academically minded anthropology |
| 20:53.26 | xorAxAx | indeed, military and linguistic interests dont seem to be combine as well, but probably its just my limited imagination |
| 20:53.48 | spectie | well, the US military puts a lot of money into translation |
| 20:53.51 | spectie | and machine translation in particular |
| 20:54.08 | spectie | but usually for a few "strategically important" languages |
| 20:54.19 | spectie | chinese, arabic, persian, pashto, ... |
| 20:54.38 | xorAxAx | hmm, yeah |
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| 21:03.53 | ajuonline | am I the only one not being able to access The page you navigated to does not exist. |
| 21:04.03 | ajuonline | http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/notes-on-student-allocations |
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| 21:05.15 | rohananil | nah , |
| 21:05.20 | rohananil | me either |
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| 21:05.44 | ajuonline | lh: link broken. http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/notes-on-student-allocations |
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| 21:07.17 | Mathiasd1 | works for me, ajuonline |
| 21:07.48 | spectie | works here |
| 21:07.50 | spectie | it's a redirect |
| 21:07.55 | ajuonline | Mathiasd1: strange, i get that error |
| 21:08.01 | ajuonline | The page you navigated to does not exist. |
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| 21:08.53 | ajuonline | spectie: redirect to? |
| 21:08.59 | spectie | http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/notes-on-student-allocations?pli=1 |
| 21:09.41 | ajuonline | spectie: still same |
| 21:09.45 | spectie | odd |
| 21:09.57 | spectie | what browser? |
| 21:10.01 | ajuonline | ff |
| 21:10.05 | welterde | ajuonline: are you logged in? |
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| 21:10.33 | ajuonline | welterde: very much |
| 21:11.17 | welterde | hmm |
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| 21:19.28 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: kool post, thanks :) |
| 21:20.26 | summatusmentis | sure thing :) |
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| 21:39.29 | r0bby | munches his brownie |
| 21:43.33 | MatthewWilkes | Org App - submitted :) |
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| 21:46.49 | ajuonline | MatthewWilkes: plone? |
| 21:46.57 | MatthewWilkes | Yup |
| 21:49.05 | ajuonline | MatthewWilkes: awesome. good luck! :) |
| 21:49.09 | MatthewWilkes | Thanks :) |
| 21:49.24 | MatthewWilkes | I almost missed off an awesome fact, can't believe I hadn't thought to mention it earlier |
| 21:49.39 | MatthewWilkes | Our new release manager is an ex-SoC student |
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| 21:55.28 | tomeKK1 | hi there I'm really interessed in getting participating in GSOC.. but I'm 17 years old :| is there a way to participate anyway? |
| 21:55.57 | ajuonline | tomeKK1: participate in FOSS? no age limits. gsoc, 18 years. |
| 21:56.18 | ajuonline | tomeKK1: or be a mentor. |
| 21:57.21 | tomeKK1 | hmm |
| 21:57.41 | tomeKK1 | even when I will be 18 this year? |
| 21:57.52 | tomeKK1 | * December.. |
| 21:58.13 | impl | The age cutoff is sometime in April, I think |
| 21:58.26 | tomeKK1 | :| |
| 21:58.29 | tomeKK1 | k thanks |
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| 22:04.59 | tomeKK1 | ajuonline: "participate in FOSS? no age limits".. is it possible to earn extra money there too? I find it very intresting getting a favorite hobby and a holiday job.. |
| 22:05.01 | tomeKK1 | :) |
| 22:05.45 | ajuonline | tomeKK1: there are FOSS jobs as well. you can always look. |
| 22:05.58 | ajuonline | like any other job/internship |
| 22:06.29 | tomeKK1 | ok thanks.. cu :) |
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| 22:15.16 | osgeo_wolf | lh: We at OSGeo have a small problem. Our projects have varied licences, how should we select the licence from the drop-down menu? |
| 22:15.34 | osgeo_wolf | greets lh |
| 22:17.54 | lh | osgeo_wolf: greetings unto thee my friend |
| 22:18.00 | lh | i would choose the most used license |
| 22:18.09 | lh | then note the others in one of the text fields |
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| 22:31.14 | r0bby | DEATH TO MATH PROOFS! |
| 22:31.19 | r0bby | that is all. |
| 22:31.37 | r0bby | ps: lh is awesome |
| 22:33.01 | Ori_B | r0bby: prove inductively that math proofs are evil. |
| 22:33.17 | r0bby | Haven't done those :( |
| 22:33.27 | r0bby | hates that he can't do them |
| 22:33.30 | lh | looks up from seat on the free couch, gets back to work while blushing furiously |
| 22:33.43 | summatusmentis | math proof makes me blush too |
| 22:33.46 | summatusmentis | >_> |
| 22:34.03 | r0bby | lh: I love you more than this math |
| 22:34.08 | zooko | summatusmentis: distributed filesystems? |
| 22:34.09 | r0bby | and that's probably not saying much |
| 22:34.13 | r0bby | i </3 math |
| 22:34.14 | summatusmentis | zooko: OpenAFS |
| 22:34.19 | r0bby | I just wanna be DONE! |
| 22:34.23 | Ori_B | r0bby: math is awesome :P |
| 22:34.30 | lh | i love everyone more than math. |
| 22:34.35 | zooko | Ah, cool. |
| 22:34.36 | lh | not a fan of the m-a-t-h |
| 22:34.51 | summatusmentis | I don't normally mind math |
| 22:34.57 | summatusmentis | except linear alg. that was rough |
| 22:35.08 | r0bby | :'( |
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| 22:35.26 | Mathiasd1 | math's a useful tool :) especially discrete mathematics |
| 22:35.26 | koryk | discrete math is the way to go |
| 22:35.29 | r0bby | I have an exam in like a lil over 12 hrs :( |
| 22:35.34 | Mathiasd1 | but sometimes, the proofs are boring :( |
| 22:35.39 | Mathiasd1 | aww |
| 22:35.43 | Mathiasd1 | good luck, r0bby! |
| 22:35.44 | MatthewWilkes | bah, the west indies won, we're really not doing well |
| 22:35.46 | r0bby | discrete math is the most useful math course a CS student will ever take |
| 22:35.56 | koryk | changed my way of thinking |
| 22:35.57 | r0bby | doesn't make it any less annoying |
| 22:35.58 | koryk | about EVERYTHING |
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| 22:36.54 | osgeo_wolf | thanks lh :) |
| 22:36.59 | osgeo_wolf | and good night |
| 22:37.06 | lh | osgeo_wolf: you are most welcome. rest well. |
| 22:37.22 | dennda | If a mentoring organization applies, listing me as a mentor: If that organization isn't chosen, may I apply as student instead? |
| 22:37.50 | lh | dennda: absolutely |
| 22:37.54 | summatusmentis | dennda: why not? (ask lh) :-D |
| 22:38.01 | summatusmentis | oh, she beat me |
| 22:38.18 | mmadia | hi , I hope i'm not overstepping my bounds with this question, but... |
| 22:38.20 | mmadia | should questions 3 and 4 of the mentoring application, http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs#org_app , be reworded and combined into a single question? eg, 3. Has your organization been accepted to participate in past GSoCs? If so, please summarize your groups involvement and the successes and challenges of your participation. If not, please list the years in which your group has applied. |
| 22:38.44 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Not a fan of maths? Oh my, whyever not? Numbers are my friends, I'm sure they'd like to be your's too. |
| 22:38.58 | dennda | lh: thanks |
| 22:39.03 | summatusmentis | lh is elitest she prefers books to numbers |
| 22:39.14 | summatusmentis | somehow books are superior >_> |
| 22:39.18 | lh | mmadia: i am not sure if i understand the question. |
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| 22:39.27 | lh | MatthewWilkes: i like my words tyvm. |
| 22:39.37 | lh | summatusmentis: elitist. and no, just not a fan of math. |
| 22:39.59 | summatusmentis | lh: haha, spelling fail :) |
| 22:40.06 | summatusmentis | (mine) |
| 22:40.20 | lh | summatusmentis: all good. :) |
| 22:40.57 | summatusmentis | now you know why I'm not an english major |
| 22:41.09 | ojwb | hmm, I keep wondering who this eli test is... |
| 22:41.15 | mmadia | lh : on the #org_app section, the question about past GSoC participation is two individual questions. if the first question, #3 is true then question 4 doesn't need to be addressed by that organization. |
| 22:41.24 | ojwb | not quite awake yet it seems |
| 22:41.34 | zooko | summatusmentis: my project is a distributed filesystem of sorts, too. |
| 22:41.40 | zooko | allmydata.org "Tahoe" |
| 22:42.08 | lh | mmadia: so both questions are asked on the org application. does this really matter? |
| 22:42.11 | MatthewWilkes | lh: They're not mutually exclusive. Words are more variable, some are wonderful, some are poor, numbers are much more uniform. I'm sure they can learn to coëxist. |
| 22:42.23 | summatusmentis | zooko: intriguing :) |
| 22:42.27 | lh | MatthewWilkes: they co-exist fine. i am just not having dinner with both of them at the same time. :) |
| 22:42.43 | mmadia | lh : not really. it's very possible that i've been working on the gsoc application for too long today. :) |
| 22:43.19 | lh | mmadia: okay. if you feel strongly please file an issue |
| 22:43.21 | lh | ~issues |
| 22:43.22 | ibot | Yep, got 'em. |
| 22:43.28 | lh | hrm. |
| 22:43.38 | lh | http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues |
| 22:43.59 | spectie | <MatthewWilkes> lh: They're not mutually exclusive. Words are more variable, some are wonderful, some are poor, numbers are much more uniform. I'm sure they can learn to coëxist. |
| 22:44.00 | spectie | haha |
| 22:44.01 | spectie | !! |
| 22:44.23 | danderson | It's time for a Wikipedia fun fact! |
| 22:44.27 | spectie | a diaeresis |
| 22:44.28 | koryk | yay! |
| 22:44.41 | spectie | MatthewWilkes, tell me you use that normally |
| 22:44.48 | spectie | and coöperate too |
| 22:44.49 | danderson | The wikipedia entry for the word 'either' ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Either ) says, verbatim: |
| 22:44.58 | danderson | "In the end, happily, love conquers phonetics." |
| 22:45.12 | danderson | I believe that this sentence was probably first composed on Wikipedia. |
| 22:45.14 | danderson | That is all. |
| 22:45.20 | MatthewWilkes | spearce: Yep, I'm trying to bring it back into common usage. |
| 22:45.45 | MatthewWilkes | Last time I told someone that, they said I was "being naïve", which was wonderful. |
| 22:45.55 | koryk | that seems like a highly subjective sentence for wikipedia |
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| 22:46.07 | MatthewWilkes | sorry, spectie ^^^ |
| 22:46.12 | danderson | koryk: I don't care about NPOV |
| 22:46.12 | ojwb | [citation required] |
| 22:46.17 | spectie | MatthewWilkes, splendid |
| 22:46.25 | danderson | I just find "love conquers phonetics" to be an awesome WTF statement |
| 22:46.31 | danderson | I want this on a t-shirt |
| 22:46.43 | koryk | danderson: sorry, but what is NPOV? |
| 22:46.43 | danderson | "Love conquers phonetics (or is it fanatics?)" |
| 22:46.58 | lh | i think it's the first one. it has not yet proved true in the second one. |
| 22:47.07 | lh | unless said conquest is what turned them fanatical. |
| 22:47.12 | danderson | koryk: neutral point of view. Wikipedia's policy for writing articles without bias. |
| 22:47.20 | koryk | oh thanks |
| 22:47.31 | spectie | danderson, or is it phonology |
| 22:47.34 | spectie | ;D |
| 22:47.38 | danderson | okay, I seem to be the only one to intuitively grasp how fundamentaly strange that statement is |
| 22:47.42 | danderson | never mind :) |
| 22:47.47 | Catfish_Man | NPOV can go to hell if it tries to get rid of that quote |
| 22:47.54 | danderson | (and by strange I mean awesomely funny) |
| 22:48.17 | Catfish_Man | danderson: I liked it, I just was off eating lunch |
| 22:48.25 | GabeS | danderson: esp out of context |
| 22:48.29 | GabeS | assuming there is any context |
| 22:48.44 | danderson | GabeS: it doesn't get less funny in context |
| 22:49.40 | danderson | context: either can be pronounced 'ee-ther' (american preference) or 'eye-ther' (UK preference). Some song apparently used this phonetic variant to talk about disconnects in a romantic relationship. |
| 22:50.00 | danderson | Wikipedia spoils the song's ending by stating that, in the end, love conquers phonetics. |
| 22:50.15 | dennda | lh: Appending to my last question: What if the mentoring organization is accepted but I as mentor do not "get" a student? |
| 22:50.25 | spectie | danderson, it can be pronounced many other ways too! |
| 22:50.28 | spectie | i just fixed the article |
| 22:50.49 | GabeS | yea that is weird |
| 22:50.51 | spectie | /ËaɪvÉ/ |
| 22:50.52 | spectie | and |
| 22:50.58 | spectie | /ËiËvÉ/ |
| 22:50.59 | Landon | summatusmentis: POING |
| 22:51.04 | GabeS | i just proves that very odd people are more likely to write those types of articles :) |
| 22:51.06 | spectie | are also fairly valid |
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| 22:51.31 | MatthewWilkes | danderson: I'm from the UK and I've never heard it pronounced "eye-ther". It's æther or aether here traditionally though, ether is only recently becoming popular |
| 22:51.39 | danderson | GabeS: I want to meet more people who say stuff like "love conquers phonetics" in everyday conversation. |
| 22:51.53 | GabeS | one would be unlikely to get bored |
| 22:52.08 | MatthewWilkes | n/m |
| 22:52.10 | MatthewWilkes | being stupid |
| 22:52.19 | MatthewWilkes | missed the "i" |
| 22:52.56 | spectie | Mathiasd1, ipa man! |
| 22:53.00 | spectie | *matthewwilkes |
| 22:53.26 | spectie | MatthewWilkes, you've never heard 'ee-ver', /ËiËvÉ/ |
| 22:53.27 | spectie | ? |
| 22:53.29 | MatthewWilkes | spectie: I know, I know, I can read some of it, but I'm not good enough to spell it |
| 22:54.02 | MatthewWilkes | Yeah, quite a lot |
| 22:54.04 | spectie | /ð/ â /v/ is quite common in some english dialects |
| 22:54.07 | MatthewWilkes | I've probably said it myself |
| 22:54.11 | spectie | aye |
| 22:54.12 | spectie | same here |
| 22:54.18 | spectie | whereabouts are you from then ? |
| 22:55.32 | MatthewWilkes | spearce: Birmingham, now living in Bristol |
| 22:55.41 | MatthewWilkes | Yourself? |
| 22:56.02 | spectie | nottingham, living in alicante |
| 22:56.23 | spectie | i reckon we probably spoke last year |
| 22:56.28 | spectie | were you working on plone ? |
| 22:56.30 | MatthewWilkes | We did indeed |
| 22:56.44 | MatthewWilkes | I've let the welsh slip a bit, I'm afraid |
| 22:56.48 | MatthewWilkes | Been learning Japanese |
| 22:56.49 | spectie | bah! |
| 22:56.59 | spectie | well, japanese is probably easier to learn living in bristol |
| 22:57.06 | spectie | we got mention in the guardian |
| 22:57.09 | spectie | did you see? :) |
| 22:57.22 | spectie | (i don't know if you read the grauniad or not) |
| 22:57.24 | MatthewWilkes | I didn't, no. Don't read the grauniad |
| 22:57.26 | spectie | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/aug/14/freeourdata.opensource |
| 22:57.26 | MatthewWilkes | :D |
| 22:57.42 | spectie | :) |
| 22:57.46 | MatthewWilkes | "read the grauniad" aligned perfectly for me |
| 22:57.52 | spectie | same here :D |
| 22:58.01 | spectie | and you put in a double space! |
| 22:59.21 | spectie | btw, in order to not keep you in suspense, the reply from the welsh language board was "no, you can't use our data in your GPL software" |
| 22:59.35 | MatthewWilkes | I am somewhat o a linguistic conservative. |
| 22:59.39 | MatthewWilkes | Really? Boo! |
| 22:59.43 | Catfish_Man | how lame of them |
| 22:59.45 | spectie | yep |
| 22:59.48 | spectie | suckers |
| 22:59.49 | Catfish_Man | did they have a rationale? |
| 23:00.01 | spectie | they were frightened people might take their words and change them |
| 23:00.09 | koryk | MatthewWilkes: nihongo o hanashimasuka? |
| 23:00.20 | MatthewWilkes | Was it because it's spelled "GPL" not "GWYPL" or something? |
| 23:00.24 | spectie | lol |
| 23:00.25 | spectie | 'se |
| 23:00.25 | spectie | c |
| 23:00.27 | spectie | let me find the reply |
| 23:00.29 | koryk | I don't have the Japanese language pack |
| 23:01.00 | MatthewWilkes | koryk: Hai, benkyou shimasu |
| 23:01.33 | MatthewWilkes | ã¯ããã¹ãããããã¾ãã looks so much more awesome |
| 23:01.34 | r0bby | I wonder if there |
| 23:01.37 | koryk | MatthewWilkes: ah, soo desuka. watashi mo benykyoo shimasu |
| 23:01.48 | r0bby | I wonder if there's a way to prove sqrt(2) is irrational directly |
| 23:01.49 | r0bby | :/ |
| 23:01.58 | r0bby | I know indirect is the best wya |
| 23:01.59 | r0bby | way* |
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| 23:02.08 | spectie | nopasting |
| 23:02.17 | koryk | too bad pidgin doesn't show japanese character, maybe that will be my GSOC project |
| 23:02.21 | MatthewWilkes | koryk: Gakusee desu ka? |
| 23:02.37 | spectie | it does koryk |
| 23:02.38 | r0bby | koryk: that's not pidgin |
| 23:02.41 | r0bby | that's GTK+ |
| 23:02.42 | spectie | koryk, either you don't have the fonts installed |
| 23:02.48 | spectie | or you don't have the correct locale set |
| 23:02.51 | r0bby | technically pango |
| 23:02.54 | r0bby | i think |
| 23:02.55 | spectie | or you don't have the right encoding set in pidgin |
| 23:02.56 | spectie | no |
| 23:02.58 | spectie | pango does it |
| 23:03.08 | koryk | gotta look into that |
| 23:03.41 | spectie | MatthewWilkes, http://pastebin.com/d597d6ead |
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| 23:03.51 | koryk | MatthewWilkes: hai, watashi wa Villanova daigaku no gakusee desu. |
| 23:04.40 | spectie | anyway, jerks |
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| 23:05.46 | MatthewWilkes | spectie: Very much so. I'd have thought they'd jump at the chance |
| 23:06.12 | spectie | the ofis ar brezhoneg did |
| 23:06.13 | spectie | :) |
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| 23:06.36 | spectie | they get a +10 for free software |
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| 23:06.57 | ojwb | spectie: i guess because GPL != non-commercial |
| 23:07.07 | spectie | ojwb, yep |
| 23:07.10 | spectie | something like that |
| 23:07.17 | spectie | they want to keep their precious words to themselves |
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| 23:07.26 | spectie | even though they are a public body |
| 23:07.31 | rohananil | yay , i finally got octave installed on comp , after struggling with it for an hour :) |
| 23:07.32 | ojwb | though you'd think the welsh language board should really be encouraging use of welsh |
| 23:07.34 | spectie | i had the same problem with the national assembly |
| 23:07.49 | spectie | they insist on using crown copyright (an abomination) for the proceedings |
| 23:08.03 | spectie | if they released them public domain like the european parliament proceedings |
| 23:08.10 | spectie | then they could encourage a lot of research |
| 23:08.18 | ojwb | isn't hansard the same? |
| 23:08.25 | spectie | the canadian parliament ? |
| 23:08.27 | spectie | i don't know |
| 23:08.28 | ojwb | and theyworkforyou.com haven't yet been sued |
| 23:08.32 | spectie | i'd have thought it was crown copyright |
| 23:08.35 | ojwb | no, the UK parliament |
| 23:08.40 | spectie | ojwb, they don't release their stuff |
| 23:08.43 | ojwb | hansard is the official ... minutes |
| 23:08.44 | spectie | e.g. no distribution |
| 23:08.58 | spectie | the canadian one is called the same .. and they have it bilingual french/english |
| 23:09.01 | spectie | but anyway |
| 23:09.05 | spectie | the problem is in GPL compatibility |
| 23:09.08 | spectie | not in re-use |
| 23:09.13 | spectie | the crown copyright allows re-use |
| 23:09.13 | ojwb | um, you can read a repackaged version of hansard on theyworkforyou |
| 23:09.16 | ojwb | true |
| 23:09.20 | spectie | but not in GPL compatible ways |
| 23:09.41 | spectie | e.g. you are forbidden to allow the use of the proceedings in such a way as to "ridicule or insult members of parliament/assembly" |
| 23:09.51 | spectie | which is GPL incompatible |
| 23:09.57 | spectie | you are also not allowed to create derivative works |
| 23:10.04 | MatthewWilkes | koryk: ahh, amerika no daigaku desu ne? watashi wa burisutoru daigaku no gakusee desu soshte irigisu no daigaku desu senmon wa doitsugo desu |
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| 23:11.58 | spectie | anyway, i could whine about re-use of publically funded data all day |
| 23:12.03 | MatthewWilkes | spearce: I once heard a great comment about fillibustering in the canadian parliament. An opponent accused the person of reading out a novel just to get a translation from hansard |
| 23:12.08 | spectie | lol |
| 23:12.15 | spectie | i can believe it |
| 23:12.40 | ojwb | hmm, except fair use allows for commentary and parody... |
| 23:12.47 | spectie | ojwb, fair use is not free |
| 23:12.58 | ojwb | yes, but "forbidden to use" |
| 23:13.11 | ojwb | I realise that doesn't give you GPL compatibility |
| 23:13.13 | spectie | let me find it |
| 23:13.20 | spectie | bah, our server is down |
| 23:13.50 | spectie | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-legal@lists.debian.org/msg39573.html |
| 23:14.27 | spectie | http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:WCfZBEyQ4lwJ:www.opsi.gov.uk/advice/crown-copyright/copyright-guidance/reproduction-of-the-record-of-proceedings-the-national-assembly-for-wales+crown+copyright+waiver+proceedings&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&client=iceweasel-a |
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| 23:15.33 | ojwb | ah, so libel and slander rather than just ridiculing |
| 23:15.48 | spectie | yeah, but those are illegal anyway |
| 23:16.08 | spectie | well, in personal cases |
| 23:16.11 | ojwb | although "potentially" is a bit sweeping |
| 23:16.11 | spectie | i'm not sure against organisations |
| 23:16.16 | spectie | yeah |
| 23:16.18 | spectie | 16. The Proceedings must not be reproduced for overtly political purposes. |
| 23:16.21 | spectie | 13. The Proceedings must not be used in connection with advertising or product endorsement or in any context which could be viewed as undignified association. |
| 23:16.24 | spectie | those are problematic too |
| 23:16.36 | spectie | from a GPL/DFSG compatibility point of view |
| 23:16.59 | MatthewWilkes | One of my favourite legal phrases is "merely vituperative" in relation to slander/libel laws |
| 23:17.08 | spectie | haha |
| 23:17.20 | spectie | they've got the upper hand immediately by using a word i don't know! |
| 23:17.39 | ojwb | "merely" means approximately "only" |
| 23:17.51 | MatthewWilkes | hahaha |
| 23:18.02 | spectie | haha ojwb |
| 23:18.16 | spectie | i had a record of some correspondence acutally |
| 23:19.09 | spectie | google isn't caching it :( |
| 23:19.11 | MatthewWilkes | submitted to qdb :) |
| 23:19.34 | r0bby | NICE |
| 23:19.36 | r0bby | http://www.acm.org/press-room/news-releases/turing-award-08/ |
| 23:19.40 | ojwb | hangs his head in shame |
| 23:20.03 | MatthewWilkes | Plone site :) |
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| 23:21.31 | spectie | ok, nn all |
| 23:21.40 | spectie | m'en vaig a dormir / me voy a dormir |
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| 23:24.36 | r0bby | wow :) |
| 23:25.09 | Catfish_Man | r0bby: I wish they'd been more specific about what she'd done |
| 23:25.14 | Catfish_Man | now I'm going to have to google |
| 23:25.45 | r0bby | Catfish_Man: hold? |
| 23:25.47 | r0bby | er hold |
| 23:25.48 | Arc | does anyone know if student applications are going to be for mentor eyes only, or is this information destined for the public web? |
| 23:26.07 | Arc | ie, should details such as personal contact info be requested |
| 23:26.14 | r0bby | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liskov_substitution_principle |
| 23:26.24 | r0bby | ^^ her work |
| 23:26.31 | Catfish_Man | oh, right, THAT |
| 23:26.35 | smtms | Arc, mentoring organizations only |
| 23:26.45 | Catfish_Man | didn't make the "liskov" name connection |
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| 23:28.33 | r0bby | i own an ACM membership now |
| 23:28.36 | r0bby | :D |
| 23:28.38 | r0bby | <3 it |
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| 23:31.21 | cjhopman | i think im getting a free one in april |
| 23:31.32 | Landon | is there any benefit? |
| 23:32.23 | smtms | membership without access to the digital library wouldn't be of much use IMO |
| 23:32.52 | Mek | I had a free one for a year some time ago (and than was spammed for the next 5 years if I wanted to renew my membership :) ) |
| 23:33.21 | Ori_B | r0bby: :) |
| 23:33.32 | Ori_B | their repository of papers is pretty useful |
| 23:34.04 | Landon | is probably going to get an IEEE membership sooner or later |
| 23:34.07 | Ori_B | had a free one for a while; I think it's still active. |
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| 23:34.20 | Ori_B | for now, though, it's easier to just use the university's portal |
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| 23:34.51 | Landon | heh I just found out the other day the engg library at my uni has safari access |
| 23:35.02 | Landon | most of the books seemed to be mac related though :\ |
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