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| 02:45.54 | madman91 | hello |
| 02:48.03 | HerrJth | hello |
| 02:50.31 | madman91 | When are you enrolled in a school? If I get a response from a school on March 31, and reply to them let's say, April 03, am i "enrolled" in time for google SOC? |
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| 02:52.34 | Ori_B | madman91: yes, I believe so. |
| 02:53.29 | madman91 | :) |
| 02:53.50 | HerrJth | madman91: with school, you mean some sort of university? Afaik only students can apply to gsoc |
| 02:54.00 | madman91 | Yes, Berkeley |
| 02:54.26 | madman91 | they reply march 31 :\ a bit late for my liking |
| 02:55.02 | madman91 | Now then, is there a way to determine whether or not you are code-saavy enough for a project? |
| 02:55.02 | HerrJth | a bit late, indeed. but i think that should be okay for a gsoc appliance |
| 02:56.38 | madman91 | Cool, thanks Ori_B and HerrJth |
| 02:57.04 | HerrJth | i think best way is to subscribe at a dev mailinglist, follow the discussions there, browse the source-repository and (if available) look at the documentation |
| 02:57.38 | madman91 | Should it be 90% understandable? |
| 02:58.01 | Ori_B | madman91: join the IRC channel and discuss it with the developers. |
| 02:58.39 | madman91 | willdo, thanks again |
| 02:59.25 | dmitrig01|afk | lives in berkeley - yay! |
| 02:59.36 | madman91 | dmitrig01|afk: :) how is it? |
| 02:59.41 | dmitrig01|afk | madman91: awesome |
| 03:00.06 | madman91 | dmitrig01|afk: berkeley the school or the city, or both? |
| 03:00.12 | dmitrig01|afk | madman91: city |
| 03:00.56 | madman91 | dmitrig01|afk: near the ocean, :) i wouldnt mind it |
| 03:01.36 | AlexUA | dmitrig01|afk: off topic- but did you hear about the laser tag battle at DrupalCon on Friday? |
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| 03:19.08 | HerrJth | has anyone experience with applying for an accepted project? Am i getting it right that google pics projects, assigns student slots and interested students are applying to that projects via the google-system and the projects chose which student they take? |
| 03:19.53 | Ori_B | HerrJth: yes, that sounds right. |
| 03:22.19 | HerrJth | Ori_B: thanks. Have you an idea how those applications look like? Is it, like, some formular where you fill in all relevant information or have you some freedom in how you apply? Referencing some external ressources maybe or more concrete ideas if you looked at the code before? |
| 03:23.22 | ThomasWaldmann | HerrJth: aside from some rather general infos, application contents depend a bit on the organisation |
| 03:23.54 | ThomasWaldmann | but usually you have to show what exactly you want to do and that you're capable of doing that |
| 03:24.30 | ThomasWaldmann | in past years, the slot count was assigned rather late, btw |
| 03:26.16 | thebolt | ThomasWaldmann: not _that_ late.. except the final "give and take" of slots between projects during/after conflict resolution |
| 03:26.56 | HerrJth | ThomasWaldmann: Thank you. That was actually the point I worried about. I dropped a letter to a dev-mailing list and got a nice answer with the next steps to do, like, getting used to the code base, figure out what is the most interesting part for me and so on. I looked up resources and read the relevant RFCs on that topic and to collect all my stuff and ideas I sat up a wiki which would maybe quite nice for an appliance... phew, long text. Thx for |
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| 03:27.48 | ThomasWaldmann | HerrJth: your line was truncated after Thx for |
| 03:28.20 | HerrJth | ThomasWaldmann: Thats okay, missed nothing important, only a "thanx for reading" :) |
| 03:28.39 | Ori_B | HerrJth: you more or less have complete freedom, aside from some administrative information |
| 03:28.50 | Ori_B | HerrJth: most organizations have guidelines and recommendations for formats though |
| 03:30.09 | HerrJth | Ori_B: Ok, so I think its a good idea to discuss the specific format etc. with the organization and simply hope they will be accepted |
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| 03:30.54 | ThomasWaldmann | they should have some template |
| 03:32.02 | Ori_B | HerrJth: you can see a number of examples around too. |
| 03:32.31 | Ori_B | for example, mine from a few years ago: http://code.google.com/soc/2006/xorg/appinfo.html?csaid=73A89F18E7770493 |
| 03:34.36 | HerrJth | Ori_B: Thanks, will take a look. Its to have some orientation, cause I have simply no idea how a good appliance should look like |
| 03:34.53 | Ori_B | it was obviously good enough to get me accepted :P |
| 03:34.57 | HerrJth | Ori_B: I think I will spent the night browsing through sample-appliiances :D |
| 03:36.17 | Ori_B | HerrJth: just make sure you talk to the org and ask them to edit or make recommendations about your application before you submit it. |
| 03:36.20 | HerrJth | If I were in charge back then, the alpha-geek-line alone had me convinced :D |
| 03:36.34 | Ori_B | :P |
| 03:37.17 | HerrJth | Ori_B: Yes, i already got in touch with them, I think I will send them my first concept in the next few days, lets see what they say |
| 03:37.35 | Ori_B | you're probably in a good position then :) |
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| 03:38.40 | HerrJth | Ori_B: I hope so. I never got involved into such a big codebase before, so I hope I didn`t make any mistakes :/ |
| 03:39.19 | HerrJth | *made, excuse my bad english, its late *yawn* |
| 03:39.37 | AlexUA | dmitrig01|afk: ping |
| 03:40.01 | ThomasWaldmann | Ori_B: if you can make up some reasonable idea, based on the project's code, for a much needed or at least useful thing, show that you looked at the code by suggesting some implementation ideas for you project, show some own source, that's all big plusses |
| 03:40.16 | milki | lol alpha geek |
| 03:40.54 | Ori_B | ThomasWaldmann: well, the mentor kind of explained how things worked so that I could write the application :) |
| 03:41.28 | Ori_B | I was researching and discussing approaches as I wrote the application |
| 03:41.44 | ThomasWaldmann | ok, then it will be his problem to judge that, if you don't provide more :) |
| 03:42.25 | Ori_B | but yeah, unless something goes horribly wrong I don't think I'm doing SoC this year |
| 03:42.28 | HerrJth | Ori_B: How long have you studied the source of the project before you actually applied? |
| 03:42.44 | Ori_B | I'm hoping for one of several interesting internships. |
| 03:43.15 | Ori_B | HerrJth: hm, depends... I mostly did it for a day or so when writing up the proposals... |
| 03:43.32 | ThomasWaldmann | the problem is, if the project gives ideas very detailled, a student can make the application by just reusing that information |
| 03:43.48 | ThomasWaldmann | of course that tells nothing about the student then |
| 03:43.59 | Ori_B | ThomasWaldmann: well, yeah. it wasn't them just telling me how things worked. it was a back and forth conversation. |
| 03:44.42 | ThomasWaldmann | ok, that's a plus for communications skills |
| 03:44.45 | Ori_B | eg, I was coming up with approaches and asking for what the expected issues would be, modifying, updating, etc. |
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| 03:47.15 | Ori_B | anyways, I need to take a nap before I continue with this assignment. |
| 03:47.19 | Ori_B | *sighs* fourier analysis. |
| 03:48.41 | HerrJth | uh, this awaits me next semester |
| 03:48.47 | HerrJth | which, mh, actually starts tomorrow |
| 03:48.50 | Ori_B | HerrJth: it's not that bad. |
| 03:49.04 | Ori_B | only... we weren't actually taught how to do it thorougly. |
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| 03:49.39 | Ori_B | this is a data analysis course, so we spent about 2 or 4 hours in lecture and are now expected to do a question that has to date stumped 3 graduate students. |
| 03:51.26 | HerrJth | sounds familiar quite familiar, reminds me of electrical engineering I :D |
| 03:53.03 | Ori_B | more or less, they want us to find the spectral purity on a DAC-sampled sine wave |
| 03:53.21 | Ori_B | with a potentially non-integer number of samples per period. |
| 03:53.23 | HerrJth | its quite late, I think I will sleep a litte bit. Thanks for your Answers, especially Ori_B and ThomasWaldmann, helped me a lot |
| 03:53.30 | Ori_B | takes a nap. |
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| 04:29.26 | proudfoot | hey |
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| 05:06.33 | Kwaa | Hello, anyone can help me get the Google Custom Search going? |
| 05:07.28 | scorche|sh | this isnt a help channel for google products.. |
| 05:08.15 | Kwaa | M'key. |
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| 05:21.37 | proudfoot | hey, anyone there? |
| 05:21.51 | proudfoot | i'm curious how the selection process for students works |
| 05:22.50 | proudfoot | are there any organizations who simply give a student a challenge prompt, probably in the form of write this |
| 05:22.54 | proudfoot | and ask them to do that? |
| 05:24.48 | scorche|sh | proudfoot: many organizations provide "tests" or simple problems to solve in order to prove that the student is capable of basic programming (or other) tasks...but it is entirely up to the organization's whims |
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| 05:26.47 | proudfoot | excellent |
| 05:27.05 | proudfoot | i'm a freshman EE student at UCSD, and I have this issue of having very little history to write in an application |
| 05:27.35 | proudfoot | I'm a pretty well self taught programmer, though no professor will give me a good recommendation - they don't know my name, just I got an A in a coding class of 120 people. |
| 05:28.01 | proudfoot | so some kind of show us you can code works better for me then a resume |
| 05:28.32 | scorche|sh | proudfoot: keep in mind that there is nothing in the rules against socializing with open source orgs before they rank the applications ;) |
| 05:28.35 | scorche|sh | *hint hint* |
| 05:28.38 | proudfoot | lawl |
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| 05:29.54 | scorche|sh | seriously though...get to know the members of that/those org/orgs...talk through your application(s) with them...it will help =) |
| 05:30.30 | proudfoot | I'm not even sure what orgs I want to apply for |
| 05:30.47 | proudfoot | last year a friend of mine ran the x264 one through videolan, though he's not running it again this year |
| 05:30.55 | proudfoot | last year I was in HS though, and couldn't qualify |
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| 06:55.19 | the9a3eedi | Hi. I'm a second year computer science undergraduate interesting in joining Google summer of code. Unfortunately I feel that I do not have much experience in coding (still getting more and more experience). Since in gsoc I'd be working with real project trying to achieve real objectives, I feel that I might be getting int the way or something. Will there be people to help me out if I decide to start a project for |
| 06:55.49 | Landon | you got cut off |
| 06:55.56 | Landon | at "start a project for" |
| 06:56.01 | Landon | but GSOC is open to people of all coding levels |
| 06:56.15 | Landon | last summer I hadnt taken any data structures or algorithms courses or anything formal like that |
| 06:56.19 | Landon | other than intro to programming |
| 06:56.34 | the9a3eedi | I was cut off? hmm. |
| 06:56.35 | Landon | and a few smaller scripts I made for myself |
| 06:56.36 | the9a3eedi | Will there be people to help me out if I decide to start a project for gsoc? Will there be mentors that are suitable for even the most beginner of beginners? |
| 06:57.02 | the9a3eedi | Landon: I see. Thats sounds good to me. What mentor have you joined? |
| 06:57.19 | Landon | I worked with the Software Freedom Conservancy |
| 06:57.26 | thebolt | Landon: i hadn't taken any course related to programming first year i was mentor :P |
| 06:57.39 | proudfoot | SFC? |
| 06:57.43 | Landon | my project was basically something I wrote from the ground up (using an old project as a base model) |
| 06:57.57 | Landon | proudfoot: yup |
| 06:58.21 | the9a3eedi | Also, I dont want to ask this :P but what happens if you dont finish the project you started |
| 06:58.23 | proudfoot | I'm impressed they sponsored developers |
| 06:58.30 | proudfoot | you get cut off and don't get the rest of the money |
| 06:58.34 | proudfoot | 500 is given to you at the beginning |
| 06:58.37 | the9a3eedi | ah |
| 06:58.38 | proudfoot | 2k in the middle |
| 06:58.41 | proudfoot | 2k more at the end |
| 06:58.43 | the9a3eedi | I see |
| 06:58.48 | the9a3eedi | :3 |
| 06:58.50 | Landon | proudfoot: well its not like it cost them anything ;] |
| 06:58.58 | proudfoot | I'm a freshmen, I hope this is my first year in GSOC |
| 06:59.01 | Landon | but they only got 2 slots iirc |
| 06:59.07 | proudfoot | I need someone who won't really read my resume, I can pass a coding challenge though |
| 06:59.08 | the9a3eedi | this stuff looks good on a resume you know lol |
| 06:59.24 | Landon | proudfoot: work on the application |
| 06:59.26 | proudfoot | my resume - I worked tech support in HS, got all As in my EE class |
| 06:59.32 | proudfoot | uhh, nothing else |
| 06:59.35 | Landon | my resume wasnt impressive last semester at all |
| 06:59.36 | the9a3eedi | EE? |
| 06:59.37 | proudfoot | its unfortunate |
| 06:59.40 | proudfoot | electrical engineering |
| 06:59.41 | Landon | electrical engineering |
| 06:59.45 | the9a3eedi | ah |
| 06:59.51 | Landon | its really all about the application and involvement in the community |
| 06:59.58 | Landon | and showing that you can quickly get up to speed |
| 07:00.01 | proudfoot | ah okay |
| 07:00.04 | proudfoot | how do you demonstrate that? |
| 07:00.06 | proudfoot | the latter |
| 07:00.13 | proudfoot | hay guyz i'm really really smart i get up to speed fast |
| 07:00.15 | proudfoot | pick me pick me |
| 07:00.25 | proudfoot | easiest way would be gimme something to implement |
| 07:00.53 | Landon | in the application |
| 07:01.02 | Landon | also interacting with the community |
| 07:01.09 | Landon | and some organizations require you to do a patch or two |
| 07:01.12 | Landon | some suggest it |
| 07:01.15 | ojwb | quite a few orgs will ask you to do tasks as well as the application, to check what you actually can do |
| 07:01.18 | proudfoot | I was in the obama campaign, as well was the courage campaign |
| 07:01.20 | Landon | and some have a coding challenge of sorts |
| 07:01.22 | ojwb | so if they ask, do that |
| 07:01.24 | proudfoot | I volunteered for many, many things |
| 07:01.26 | proudfoot | I have a list somewhere |
| 07:02.17 | Jpowers4 | I'm in a similar situation, I know Java really well, but I have some friends in the industry and they don't really use Java that much |
| 07:02.25 | the9a3eedi | oh wow its 2:00AM .. I did NOT realize the time flying lol. |
| 07:02.26 | Jpowers4 | So i'm starting to learn some Ruby |
| 07:02.32 | Landon | thebolt: so would you say your org would be a relatively good choice for someone with low-mid experience? ;] |
| 07:03.04 | proudfoot | I have quite a bit of experience, in C and lower level stuff |
| 07:03.12 | proudfoot | I do not know java or other higher level langauges well |
| 07:03.18 | proudfoot | I do embedded work with pic controllers though |
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| 07:03.33 | proudfoot | I did robotics for 4 years in hs, now mentoring a team in college |
| 07:03.41 | Landon | ah cool |
| 07:03.45 | proudfoot | lots of programming |
| 07:03.45 | Landon | my hs had a robotics team for 2 years |
| 07:03.54 | Landon | but it was more of a remote control machine :P |
| 07:03.57 | proudfoot | haha |
| 07:04.01 | Landon | BEST competition |
| 07:04.05 | proudfoot | some teams have alot of software |
| 07:04.06 | proudfoot | oh |
| 07:04.07 | proudfoot | FIRST |
| 07:04.09 | the9a3eedi | personally, I'd like to port an open source project to a different platform. Is that good as a project proposal for gsoc? |
| 07:04.23 | proudfoot | FIRST is like best except 5x the cost |
| 07:04.26 | Landon | depends if they really need that or not :P |
| 07:04.28 | proudfoot | and 5x the weight size, etc of the robots |
| 07:04.32 | Landon | heh |
| 07:04.37 | Landon | we really didnt have much interest in the program |
| 07:04.40 | Landon | which is why we only did it two years :( |
| 07:04.41 | proudfoot | we also got microcontrollers to program |
| 07:04.48 | Landon | and this was before I knew I wanted to be in computer engineering |
| 07:04.53 | thebolt | Landon: no, not at all.. our codebase is big, old (10+ years) and complex.. dealing with performance critical stuff on non-controllable hardware |
| 07:05.00 | proudfoot | ah |
| 07:05.06 | Landon | stays away, far away then |
| 07:05.11 | proudfoot | thebolt, what is your organization? |
| 07:05.46 | proudfoot | i'm sorry if i missed it earlier |
| 07:05.58 | Landon | proudfoot: our school always ended up getting owned by the catholic/private schools though ;[ |
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| 07:06.05 | Landon | I dont think we would have fared much better in FIRST |
| 07:06.12 | thebolt | proudfoot: Crystal Space 3D (3d graphics/sound/physics SDK) |
| 07:06.25 | proudfoot | ah |
| 07:06.34 | proudfoot | neat |
| 07:06.52 | proudfoot | I'm interested in stuff like that, can you give details on what skillsets are required? |
| 07:06.58 | proudfoot | actually lets talk in PM |
| 07:07.41 | thebolt | sure |
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| 07:26.24 | Jpowers4 | well damn, now i need to change my password |
| 07:26.35 | Landon | heh |
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| 07:28.24 | DakeDesu | hai... |
| 07:28.57 | DakeDesu | uh there is a lot of information on this topic... currently reading through it all |
| 07:29.20 | DakeDesu | I am looking to see abuot participating in the 2009 gsoc |
| 07:29.35 | DakeDesu | any advice? |
| 07:29.43 | russellb | ~faq |
| 07:29.44 | ibot | The GSoC 2009 FAQ is here: http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html |
| 07:29.50 | russellb | that's a good place to start :-) |
| 07:30.23 | DakeDesu | ah okay.. wasn't sure if that was for mentors or students |
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| 08:07.49 | the9a3eedi | so basically, a list of "Mentors" (organizations that are willing to help students start subprojects for their projects) join in gsoc, and then google publishes a list of mentors, along with a list of stuff that needs to be impelemented, or stuff that the mentor would like to be see implemented, and then the student looks at this list, gets ideas for a subproject he can do, then applies to google, and if google t |
| 08:08.23 | Landon | you got cut off at "google, and if google t" |
| 08:08.28 | the9a3eedi | gah |
| 08:08.37 | the9a3eedi | forgive me, I'm using a beta IRC client |
| 08:08.40 | the9a3eedi | "HydraIRC" |
| 08:08.43 | Landon | no, it happens to a lot of people |
| 08:08.45 | Landon | ;) |
| 08:08.50 | the9a3eedi | rly? hmm |
| 08:08.53 | Landon | at least 2 others today :P |
| 08:09.03 | Landon | also, you dont apply directly to google |
| 08:09.05 | the9a3eedi | and if google thinks his application is good, he enters gsoc? Is this how it works? |
| 08:09.10 | Landon | you apply via google to the organization |
| 08:09.12 | proudfoot | no |
| 08:09.16 | proudfoot | the mentor chooses who to take |
| 08:09.18 | Landon | the organization decides |
| 08:09.18 | Landon | yes |
| 08:09.26 | the9a3eedi | I see |
| 08:09.27 | Landon | and then google allots slots to each orga |
| 08:09.30 | Landon | organization |
| 08:09.31 | proudfoot | if you must, you can bribe the mentor |
| 08:09.46 | the9a3eedi | is it that hard to get into gsoc? |
| 08:09.50 | proudfoot | not really |
| 08:09.53 | Landon | heh :P |
| 08:09.55 | proudfoot | but are you a good programmer? |
| 08:09.56 | Landon | not especially |
| 08:10.04 | Landon | strong application, decent programming skills |
| 08:10.04 | proudfoot | I'm pretty certain I can find someone |
| 08:10.07 | the9a3eedi | proudfoot: not experienced. A good one? maybe. |
| 08:10.18 | proudfoot | quick quick quick |
| 08:10.22 | proudfoot | swap two variables without a temp one |
| 08:10.25 | proudfoot | can be of any type |
| 08:10.29 | DakeDesu | what all is there for qt4 support? |
| 08:10.35 | sid0 | proudfoot: XOR swap |
| 08:10.42 | proudfoot | that was meant for him to answer |
| 08:10.43 | proudfoot | but yeah okay |
| 08:10.46 | sid0 | but it's completely irrelevant |
| 08:10.48 | proudfoot | yes |
| 08:10.49 | sid0 | I don't see the point |
| 08:10.50 | the9a3eedi | gah, wasnt able to answer that -_- |
| 08:11.10 | the9a3eedi | care to explain? |
| 08:11.14 | DakeDesu | I want to work on a qt4 competator to xcfe... I am starting to work as soon as possible.. (prolly well before summer 2009) |
| 08:11.23 | proudfoot | okay, so you have x and y |
| 08:11.27 | proudfoot | xor has this property |
| 08:11.33 | proudfoot | a xor b xor b again is a |
| 08:11.39 | DakeDesu | x ^= y ^= x ^= y |
| 08:11.47 | proudfoot | where ^ is xor |
| 08:11.47 | proudfoot | not |
| 08:11.51 | proudfoot | exponent |
| 08:12.03 | DakeDesu | in C++/C syntax ** is exponent |
| 08:12.17 | proudfoot | in every other langauge its ^ for exponent |
| 08:12.25 | the9a3eedi | and x ^= y is x = x ^ y I guess |
| 08:12.26 | the9a3eedi | hmm |
| 08:12.39 | DakeDesu | the9a3eedi: pretty much |
| 08:13.00 | Landon | xor trick is fancy |
| 08:13.02 | Landon | but is it ever used? |
| 08:13.04 | DakeDesu | xor is a bitwise operation, so if ^ has been overloaded you may have issues |
| 08:13.19 | the9a3eedi | true |
| 08:13.25 | DakeDesu | Landon: in programs that require low memory use |
| 08:13.38 | proudfoot | if you are working with a pic controller |
| 08:13.40 | proudfoot | with 1kb of memory |
| 08:13.43 | proudfoot | yes i have used it |
| 08:13.47 | sid0 | i.e. not 99.99999% of programs |
| 08:13.53 | Landon | hm |
| 08:13.58 | proudfoot | forgetting about us embeddeds |
| 08:14.00 | sid0 | I don't think I'm a better programmer for knowing the xor swap trick :/ |
| 08:14.06 | proudfoot | okay true |
| 08:14.15 | Landon | I could have sworn hearing an argument about not using it, because there are more efficient ways of doing it |
| 08:14.19 | Landon | might just be my mind playing tricks on me though |
| 08:14.19 | DakeDesu | well it should be used more often int x,y,swap; |
| 08:14.22 | the9a3eedi | does this xor trick on paper to fully understand it |
| 08:14.46 | sid0 | Landon: well there are languages that support [x, y] = [y, x] so meh :P |
| 08:14.55 | DakeDesu | I don't think of programming as math... I think of it as speaking another langauge |
| 08:15.08 | sid0 | Landon: plus |
| 08:15.11 | DakeDesu | and looking at my speling; grammer most are afraid fo my code |
| 08:15.15 | sid0 | it breaks down completely when x == y |
| 08:15.22 | proudfoot | wait why? |
| 08:15.25 | proudfoot | it should still work |
| 08:15.30 | sid0 | proudfoot: x ^ x == 0 |
| 08:15.31 | proudfoot | x xor x xor x = x |
| 08:15.32 | proudfoot | still |
| 08:15.33 | proudfoot | oh |
| 08:15.49 | proudfoot | but 0 xor x |
| 08:15.54 | Landon | 1 xor 1 xor 1 = 1 |
| 08:16.05 | sid0 | proudfoot: write it out as 3 operations |
| 08:16.05 | proudfoot | 0 xor x = x |
| 08:16.09 | sid0 | then it makes sense |
| 08:16.13 | proudfoot | okay |
| 08:16.22 | sid0 | x = x ^ y |
| 08:16.30 | sid0 | now x has 0 |
| 08:16.37 | sid0 | y = x ^ y |
| 08:16.37 | Landon | oh |
| 08:16.45 | Landon | since we've got some embeddeds here... |
| 08:16.59 | Landon | I'm looking for some cheapish microcontrollers that also have a cheapish programmer |
| 08:17.01 | proudfoot | y = 0 |
| 08:17.05 | proudfoot | x = x ^ y |
| 08:17.06 | Landon | (or something relatively easy to build) |
| 08:17.08 | proudfoot | again |
| 08:17.11 | proudfoot | oh |
| 08:17.15 | proudfoot | you probably want AVR |
| 08:17.17 | proudfoot | or pic |
| 08:17.26 | Landon | any thoughts on freescale? |
| 08:17.34 | proudfoot | pics have a free sample program, and you can register with any email you want, claim to be whatever |
| 08:17.43 | proudfoot | and they'll give out samples |
| 08:17.44 | Landon | that's what we're using in my microcontrollers class |
| 08:17.48 | sid0 | proudfoot: er sorry |
| 08:17.54 | DakeDesu | Landon: ARM is a popular processor right now |
| 08:17.55 | sid0 | proudfoot: only happens when &x == &y |
| 08:18.04 | sid0 | sorry, memory failed me :P |
| 08:18.07 | proudfoot | ah |
| 08:18.10 | proudfoot | you confused me :p |
| 08:18.13 | sid0 | yeah |
| 08:18.18 | lifeeth | Landon, AVR is the thing to go |
| 08:18.19 | sid0 | but still |
| 08:18.24 | sid0 | you have to check for that |
| 08:18.30 | sid0 | and that's an OMG CONDITIONAL |
| 08:18.45 | lifeeth | DakeDesu, ARM is popular in the micro-processor regime not the controller one |
| 08:18.47 | sid0 | I'll stick with a temp var, thanks |
| 08:18.54 | Landon | Most modern compilers can optimize away the temporary variable in the naive swap, in which case the naive swap uses the same amount of memory and the same number of registers as the XOR swap and is at least as fast, and often faster |
| 08:18.54 | proudfoot | pfft, you can safely assume any variable you want swapped |
| 08:18.54 | DakeDesu | lifeeth: thanks |
| 08:18.57 | Landon | thats what I was thinking about |
| 08:18.58 | proudfoot | doesn't occupy the same address |
| 08:19.04 | Landon | [wikipedia] |
| 08:19.27 | sid0 | proudfoot: have you seen the underhanded C contest? |
| 08:19.35 | proudfoot | obsfucated c code contest? |
| 08:19.35 | proudfoot | yes |
| 08:19.41 | sid0 | no, the underhanded C contest |
| 08:19.44 | proudfoot | no |
| 08:19.45 | sid0 | code that looks simple |
| 08:19.49 | proudfoot | but is devious |
| 08:19.50 | sid0 | but has a serious bug :) |
| 08:19.51 | sid0 | yeah |
| 08:19.53 | DakeDesu | Landon: yeah, I've not trusted Wikipedia for a little while |
| 08:19.56 | sid0 | this is one of the tricks one of the winners used |
| 08:20.03 | proudfoot | ah |
| 08:20.09 | proudfoot | xor swap but memory addresses are the same |
| 08:20.12 | sid0 | yep |
| 08:20.14 | proudfoot | pretty effective |
| 08:20.50 | proudfoot | also, i'm sure freescale is fine |
| 08:20.53 | proudfoot | but it isn't as common |
| 08:21.06 | lifeeth | proudfoot, cheap programmer :D |
| 08:21.06 | the9a3eedi | is done with doing the xorg trick on paper |
| 08:21.15 | the9a3eedi | wow it actually works o_o |
| 08:21.19 | proudfoot | oh freescale is motorola 68000 |
| 08:21.21 | proudfoot | its pretty common |
| 08:21.22 | sid0 | proudfoot: http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=9 |
| 08:21.24 | the9a3eedi | lol, I said xorg :P |
| 08:21.30 | Landon | proudfoot: not just 68000 |
| 08:21.33 | proudfoot | I didn't know freescale bought motorola |
| 08:21.45 | lifeeth | proudfoot, other way :) |
| 08:21.54 | proudfoot | pfft |
| 08:21.56 | proudfoot | blah |
| 08:22.11 | DakeDesu | motorola? isn't that the chipset APPLIe ][, NES and SNES used? |
| 08:22.17 | proudfoot | yup |
| 08:22.27 | DakeDesu | awesome |
| 08:22.42 | proudfoot | AVR is probably my recommendation, gcc exists for it etc |
| 08:22.45 | lifeeth | DakeDesu, It is also that mobile phone company |
| 08:22.53 | lifeeth | Landon, check out #avr |
| 08:22.55 | proudfoot | PIC is free, generally, but has this nasty issue of the compiler blowing |
| 08:23.08 | Landon | ohright :p |
| 08:23.12 | Landon | reminds me of my other requirement |
| 08:23.15 | Landon | ez to use on linux |
| 08:23.18 | proudfoot | both are |
| 08:23.26 | lifeeth | Landon, +1 for avr :P |
| 08:23.33 | proudfoot | you can get mcc18 to run under easily, and call it using make |
| 08:23.41 | proudfoot | however, mcc18 is an absolutely horrid compiler |
| 08:23.46 | proudfoot | C89, not C99 support |
| 08:24.06 | proudfoot | it notes in the documentation that using functions, pointers, etc, is not recommended, as that can screw up the compiler |
| 08:24.11 | lifeeth | The compiler and the programmer is in most of the standard repos |
| 08:24.13 | proudfoot | AVR has gcc, thankfully |
| 08:24.22 | proudfoot | that too |
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| 08:25.37 | DakeDesu | lifeeth: I still associate Motorola with the bricks of yesteryear... so I am slow as to thinking they might possibly make modern phones, even though they do |
| 08:26.33 | lifeeth | DakeDesu, I thought moto razr was pretty famous |
| 08:27.44 | DakeDesu | well I do have a moto KRZR and had a Moto Q... I just am not quick enough to think Moto == Motorola |
| 08:28.19 | DakeDesu | my main impression on Motorola will always be the Apple ][ and the bricks |
| 08:28.27 | DakeDesu | is my old showing? |
| 08:28.40 | lifeeth | DakeDesu, :) |
| 08:28.51 | DakeDesu | =^.^= |
| 08:29.33 | DakeDesu | and I am still a young pup! I swear! I have no idea how well Linux runs on some of the newer PDPs! |
| 08:29.45 | DakeDesu | <.< |
| 08:29.47 | DakeDesu | >.> |
| 08:29.49 | DakeDesu | <.< |
| 08:29.57 | lifeeth | DakeDesu, .. a mental block maybe |
| 08:30.05 | DakeDesu | prolly |
| 08:30.43 | DakeDesu | heck I'll prolly still think of Perl 4 when Perl 6 comes out, and Perl 4 has been outdated since 1995 |
| 08:31.18 | DakeDesu | baby jesus will part the clouds and hand us Perl 6 and Duke Nukem Forever... Hallelujah! |
| 08:31.21 | DakeDesu | is shot |
| 08:31.33 | Landon | and Spore! |
| 08:31.34 | Landon | oh wait |
| 08:31.35 | Landon | spore came out :( |
| 08:31.58 | DakeDesu | I still need to get spore |
| 08:32.23 | DakeDesu | If I was good enough with 3d engines, I'd prolly try to make a FOSS Version of Spore |
| 08:32.34 | proudfoot | spore sucks |
| 08:32.35 | proudfoot | sorry |
| 08:32.47 | Landon | sadly tue |
| 08:32.50 | proudfoot | its like a game which tries to be 5 games in one |
| 08:32.53 | the93D | agrees |
| 08:32.55 | proudfoot | with none of the games really being very good |
| 08:32.56 | Landon | although I'd buy it if it happens to go into the $10 range |
| 08:33.10 | proudfoot | also what you do at an earlier state |
| 08:33.16 | the93D | yet another question for gsoc: |
| 08:33.17 | proudfoot | doesnt matter for anything |
| 08:33.19 | proudfoot | at a later state |
| 08:33.24 | proudfoot | excepting cosmetics |
| 08:33.39 | DakeDesu | well, imagine how good a FOSS Version of Spore would be? |
| 08:33.46 | DakeDesu | that is if people got on board |
| 08:33.50 | proudfoot | freeciv + opentribes, etc |
| 08:33.52 | proudfoot | + blender |
| 08:34.17 | proudfoot | just have what you do earlier effect the graphics in a later game |
| 08:34.18 | the93D | say I proposed a project. I went really far with the project, implemented a lot of stuff, but I just couldn't finish it due to the massive scope of the project. Does my work count? |
| 08:34.18 | proudfoot | bam spore |
| 08:34.29 | proudfoot | depends on your mentor |
| 08:34.41 | Landon | ^ |
| 08:34.42 | proudfoot | ofc, they might implement it later, or save the code for something |
| 08:34.44 | the93D | I see |
| 08:34.49 | proudfoot | your mentor decides if you get your cash though |
| 08:34.59 | proudfoot | btw, any mentors here? |
| 08:35.01 | Landon | I didnt completely finish my project, yet I finished gsoc |
| 08:35.03 | the93D | so it all boils down to whether the mentor is satisfied with your work or not |
| 08:35.07 | proudfoot | I'll join your project! |
| 08:35.15 | the93D | interesting |
| 08:35.16 | proudfoot | yeah |
| 08:35.21 | the93D | so when's the list of mentors coming out? |
| 08:35.30 | DakeDesu | IO thi |
| 08:35.39 | the93D | ? |
| 08:35.45 | DakeDesu | I think sign up for mentors begins in march |
| 08:36.00 | DakeDesu | hates her current keyboard |
| 08:36.17 | the93D | it cant be worse than my keyboard |
| 08:36.21 | the93D | and I spent so much on it too |
| 08:36.25 | the93D | Razer Lycosa. |
| 08:36.29 | the93D | avoid that keyboard at all costs |
| 08:36.40 | proudfoot | hahah |
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| 08:36.42 | DakeDesu | I am just use to a smaller keyboard |
| 08:36.49 | proudfoot | I use a dell quietkey |
| 08:36.52 | proudfoot | came with my computer |
| 08:36.53 | proudfoot | works fine |
| 08:36.53 | Landon | I am using a smaller keyboard :p |
| 08:37.00 | Landon | main one is a membrane Model M |
| 08:37.03 | DakeDesu | this keybaord is too big for my dainty hands |
| 08:37.09 | proudfoot | wtf |
| 08:37.09 | Landon | although I'm trying (slowly so slowly) to move to an alphagrip |
| 08:37.12 | proudfoot | i have tiny tiny hands |
| 08:37.15 | the93D | you should see my keyboard |
| 08:37.16 | proudfoot | and a normal sized keyboard is fine |
| 08:37.19 | the93D | when I press the caps lock |
| 08:37.21 | the93D | it goes berserk |
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| 08:37.38 | proudfoot | so uh, any mentors to be here? |
| 08:37.41 | the93D | I can't press 2 keys at the same time anymore when this happens. So no shift + __ |
| 08:37.49 | the93D | or ctrl, or whatever |
| 08:38.04 | DakeDesu | the93D: you need a new keybaord |
| 08:38.05 | the93D | the backlight on the keyboard starts going crazy.. switching on and off like its possessed |
| 08:38.17 | proudfoot | go buy one from a thrift store |
| 08:38.18 | DakeDesu | the93D: clearly you are being hacked |
| 08:38.24 | DakeDesu | put up a firewall |
| 08:38.31 | proudfoot | no |
| 08:38.31 | DakeDesu | is shot |
| 08:38.32 | the93D | DakeDesu: no. It's a known issue |
| 08:38.35 | proudfoot | your keyboard is possessed |
| 08:38.41 | proudfoot | you need to contact bobby jindal |
| 08:38.45 | proudfoot | and have him perform an excorcism |
| 08:39.00 | proudfoot | bobby jindal - only governor who does excorcisms |
| 08:39.01 | the93D | DakeDesu: sure, I'd get a new keyboard, but I paid so much for this I refuse to let go of it -_- |
| 08:39.04 | DakeDesu | the93D: if proudfoot is correct you'll need one old priest and one young priest |
| 08:39.05 | the93D | 1--$ |
| 08:39.07 | the93D | 100$ |
| 08:39.17 | proudfoot | no the governer of lousiana will do it |
| 08:39.20 | Landon | the93D: I feel your pain |
| 08:39.22 | proudfoot | alone |
| 08:39.23 | proudfoot | he's that badass |
| 08:39.24 | the93D | well technically its probably a firmware issue lol |
| 08:39.37 | DakeDesu | yeah, I rarely pay more than 20$ for a keyboard |
| 08:39.40 | proudfoot | so no mentors to be in here? :( |
| 08:39.41 | the93D | though razer hasn't released a firmware update yet :/ |
| 08:39.57 | DakeDesu | I go through keyboards too quickyl |
| 08:39.58 | the93D | proudfoot: give them a break its like 3:45AM :p |
| 08:40.00 | DakeDesu | quickly* |
| 08:40.08 | proudfoot | yes its never too early to make contacts |
| 08:40.18 | the93D | sure |
| 08:40.34 | DakeDesu | wait? 3:45AM? It is only 1:40AM where I am... |
| 08:40.37 | DakeDesu | what is the future like? |
| 08:40.40 | the93D | personally, I'm interested in the logitech G-series keyboard |
| 08:40.40 | proudfoot | comeon guys, one of my professors will give an excellent recommendation letter! he uses the same well written letter for all students who get As |
| 08:40.44 | proudfoot | 12:45 here atm |
| 08:40.51 | proudfoot | It is a very good letter though |
| 08:41.20 | Landon | DakeDesu: I can tell you how 2:40 am is |
| 08:41.22 | Landon | it's very boring |
| 08:41.28 | the93D | QMV? wut |
| 08:41.28 | proudfoot | 12:41 am here |
| 08:41.32 | Landon | I think I'll get back to reading Endymion |
| 08:41.37 | proudfoot | pfft |
| 08:41.46 | proudfoot | DakeDesu, what project were you on |
| 08:42.00 | DakeDesu | the93D: I am guessng the Quit Message Virus is similar to the Siggy Virus |
| 08:42.10 | DakeDesu | proudfoot: haven't joined on yet... I is no a mentor |
| 08:42.24 | proudfoot | so first year? |
| 08:42.27 | DakeDesu | looking to get as much funding as I can for school |
| 08:42.31 | proudfoot | haha |
| 08:42.33 | DakeDesu | proudfoot: yersh |
| 08:42.44 | proudfoot | freshmen looking for gsoc position here |
| 08:42.51 | proudfoot | traditional internships do not take freshmen |
| 08:42.52 | proudfoot | :( |
| 08:43.04 | DakeDesu | fair enough |
| 08:43.16 | DakeDesu | I generally know enough I can teach the classes |
| 08:43.18 | the93D | I'm still slightly worried that I'm not good enough for gsoc .___. |
| 08:43.23 | Landon | proudfoot: ah some do :P |
| 08:43.31 | Landon | several friends of mine got internships last year |
| 08:43.46 | proudfoot | need really good contacts for that |
| 08:43.48 | DakeDesu | I tried the course a few years ago... found it very boring and dropped out due to lack of interest |
| 08:44.02 | proudfoot | or have professors who care |
| 08:44.17 | proudfoot | considering some companies have stopped taking said professors recommendation letters after he sent the same one for five students |
| 08:44.19 | proudfoot | i am out of luck |
| 08:44.39 | DakeDesu | still reading up on the GSoC to see if how eligible I am |
| 08:44.44 | proudfoot | welcome to large public university ftw |
| 08:44.50 | proudfoot | are you a student? are you over 18 |
| 08:44.53 | proudfoot | you are eligible |
| 08:44.58 | DakeDesu | alright |
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| 08:45.38 | the93D | proudfoot: I might be eligible, but am I good enough? I might know some C++, some C, some Java, etc. Some data structures concepts, algorithms, etc. |
| 08:45.46 | Landon | thats plenty |
| 08:45.49 | the93D | but the thing I'm worried about |
| 08:45.52 | proudfoot | thats really for the mentor to judge |
| 08:46.03 | Landon | just choose a project appropriate for youskills |
| 08:46.06 | Landon | your skills* |
| 08:46.08 | the93D | is that I have no experience with working with other people's code |
| 08:46.09 | DakeDesu | monday I'll be signing up for my courses that I'll be taking in Septembre... tried the college course before, but it required a lot of effort not to take over a lot of the teacher's classes |
| 08:46.19 | proudfoot | do what i do |
| 08:46.21 | proudfoot | don't go to class |
| 08:46.22 | Landon | the93D: you might get lucky like I did and start a fresh codebase :P |
| 08:46.24 | proudfoot | turn in assignment |
| 08:46.26 | proudfoot | problem solved |
| 08:46.56 | DakeDesu | proudfoot: well going to class is good to know how to use the three Bs |
| 08:47.09 | DakeDesu | (Brains, Baffles and Bullshit) |
| 08:47.25 | proudfoot | no not really |
| 08:47.29 | the93D | Landon: One can only hope :P |
| 08:47.32 | Landon | wonders what level of courses you're taking that you're not learning anything new |
| 08:47.34 | proudfoot | my ece professor posted assignments online |
| 08:47.36 | proudfoot | program this okay |
| 08:47.37 | Landon | :\ |
| 08:47.38 | proudfoot | so i do |
| 08:47.42 | proudfoot | and submit them via email |
| 08:47.44 | the93D | Landon: me? |
| 08:47.51 | Landon | no, the other two :P |
| 08:47.55 | DakeDesu | Landon: I've just been programming since I was ten |
| 08:48.08 | proudfoot | Landon, i'm a freshmen student |
| 08:48.13 | proudfoot | i've been programming since 6 grade |
| 08:48.18 | DakeDesu | I've been reading up on computer stuff for longer |
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| 08:48.47 | DakeDesu | I do learn a little, but it is mostly stuff I don't think I'll ever use |
| 08:48.57 | proudfoot | do you get an A in your classes? |
| 08:49.02 | Landon | then keep with it and move on up to higher classes? |
| 08:49.06 | proudfoot | yeah |
| 08:49.18 | proudfoot | I just submit assignments online, take the A, then go to next class |
| 08:49.25 | DakeDesu | proudfoot: when I took them last, I was getting As on my tests, but not doing homework due to a living situation |
| 08:49.38 | proudfoot | community college, i assume |
| 08:49.47 | DakeDesu | Technical Institute |
| 08:49.51 | proudfoot | oh |
| 08:49.51 | proudfoot | lame |
| 08:49.54 | proudfoot | those are a ripoff |
| 08:50.08 | DakeDesu | Northern Alberta Institute of Technology |
| 08:50.15 | proudfoot | oh canada |
| 08:50.20 | the93D | gah |
| 08:50.21 | the93D | stupid kate |
| 08:50.28 | the93D | why must it convert tabs to spaces -_- |
| 08:50.36 | Landon | DakeDesu: were you getting much theory? |
| 08:50.42 | the93D | I hate it when people indent with spaces |
| 08:50.50 | DakeDesu | all else there is s University of Alberta, and I have to go into the middle of nowhere for their campus |
| 08:50.51 | Landon | the93D: thats the only way I indent |
| 08:50.59 | the93D | Landon: it's annoying ._. |
| 08:51.02 | DakeDesu | Landon: only theory I already new too much about |
| 08:51.09 | sid0 | spaces++ |
| 08:51.20 | sid0 | 2 spaces++ |
| 08:51.20 | Landon | maybe a non-technical institute would be better then :P |
| 08:51.26 | Landon | sid0: 4! |
| 08:51.28 | DakeDesu | I pointed out something about MVC in class and the teacher was sayign I was being too advanced |
| 08:51.32 | sid0 | Landon: no u |
| 08:51.36 | Landon | actually I dont know how many I use |
| 08:51.39 | Landon | fires up vim |
| 08:51.50 | DakeDesu | Landon: again the only other option is in the middle of nowhere |
| 08:52.09 | Landon | DakeDesu: I can see where the teacher is coming from |
| 08:52.25 | Landon | you dont want to overwhelm |
| 08:52.29 | Landon | has had a few classes like that |
| 08:52.36 | Landon | where the professor will go off on tangents |
| 08:52.38 | proudfoot | yeah |
| 08:52.45 | Landon | and take a while to come back to where we are |
| 08:52.48 | Landon | was no good for anyone |
| 08:52.53 | proudfoot | and quite honestly, most people in an introductory class know way less about programming |
| 08:52.54 | proudfoot | then you do |
| 08:52.58 | proudfoot | the class is really for them |
| 08:53.02 | proudfoot | find a way of skipping the class if you can |
| 08:53.03 | sid0 | Landon: also, Allman style or bust |
| 08:53.10 | DakeDesu | Landon: well, telling people 10 PRINT "HELLO"; 20 GOTO 10; was slightly too advanced for a lot of them |
| 08:53.11 | proudfoot | pfft, gnu style |
| 08:53.17 | proudfoot | they will fail out |
| 08:53.22 | proudfoot | don't worry about the rest of them |
| 08:53.28 | sid0 | gnu style is crazy, just like RMS :P |
| 08:53.28 | proudfoot | just get the A, go to next class |
| 08:53.38 | Landon | Allman style? |
| 08:53.39 | proudfoot | i really prefer gnu style |
| 08:53.44 | proudfoot | and have not heard of allman |
| 08:53.47 | DakeDesu | proudfoot: thats what I plan this time around |
| 08:53.48 | sid0 | while(x == y) |
| 08:53.48 | sid0 | { |
| 08:53.48 | sid0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:53.49 | sid0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:53.49 | sid0 | } |
| 08:53.49 | sid0 | finalthing(); |
| 08:53.53 | sid0 | (from wiki) |
| 08:53.55 | Landon | hm |
| 08:53.59 | Landon | I generally use |
| 08:54.03 | sid0 | though I like a space between the while and the ( |
| 08:54.05 | Landon | while (x == y) { |
| 08:54.08 | proudfoot | oh ansi style |
| 08:54.10 | Landon | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:54.13 | Landon | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:54.14 | Landon | } |
| 08:54.20 | proudfoot | i prefer |
| 08:54.23 | Landon | finalthing(); |
| 08:54.38 | DakeDesu | I did use three space tabs, but now I use four space tabs for most things |
| 08:54.39 | proudfoot | while (x == y) |
| 08:54.40 | proudfoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:54.40 | proudfoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:54.40 | proudfoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:54.40 | proudfoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:54.41 | proudfoot | finalthing (); |
| 08:54.47 | Landon | my data structures professor is forcing a very whitespace intensive stlye on us though :P |
| 08:54.48 | sid0 | proudfoot: as I said, crazy |
| 08:54.49 | tcoppi | eww |
| 08:54.49 | Landon | actually |
| 08:54.56 | Landon | I think it is allman |
| 08:55.01 | Landon | or very similar |
| 08:55.11 | proudfoot | whats wrong with different level of tabs between {s and the things in the {s |
| 08:55.12 | proudfoot | ? |
| 08:55.18 | proudfoot | allman is also known by most people as ansi style |
| 08:55.18 | DakeDesu | I like ada style naming tough |
| 08:55.19 | sid0 | proudfoot: what's right with it? |
| 08:55.20 | tcoppi | it looks disgusting |
| 08:55.26 | sid0 | ^ |
| 08:55.28 | proudfoot | it looks better to me |
| 08:55.31 | tcoppi | i prefer k&r for the most part |
| 08:55.38 | proudfoot | ewww k&r |
| 08:55.39 | DakeDesu | something(); something_else(); final_thing() |
| 08:55.48 | tcoppi | except I usually don't put a space between the function/statement and the () |
| 08:55.51 | Landon | either way |
| 08:55.56 | Landon | I have an editor that highlights it for me |
| 08:56.02 | Landon | so I'm not completely crippled by different standards |
| 08:56.03 | Landon | :p |
| 08:56.07 | proudfoot | true |
| 08:56.37 | DakeDesu | I plan to try to use FOSS tools throughout my course... though that will be fun once we get to VB |
| 08:56.58 | DakeDesu | still cannot believe second year programming is Visual BASIC |
| 08:57.05 | sid0 | wat |
| 08:57.06 | Landon | ouch |
| 08:57.10 | DakeDesu | wants to pull out the lart |
| 08:57.10 | proudfoot | maybe it might be a poor quality technical institute? |
| 08:57.21 | proudfoot | wait, is it similar to say |
| 08:57.23 | proudfoot | ITT |
| 08:57.23 | Landon | my school is mostly C# now |
| 08:57.28 | proudfoot | from the united states? |
| 08:57.39 | DakeDesu | proudfoot: generally a lot of companies, aparrently hire out of NAIT |
| 08:57.42 | Landon | DakeDesu: no options for distance courses? >.< |
| 08:57.48 | proudfoot | no community colleges? |
| 08:57.56 | Landon | or testing out, since you apparently know so much? |
| 08:57.57 | sid0 | visual basic? :( |
| 08:58.10 | DakeDesu | Landon: most companies don't like distance ed |
| 08:58.31 | DakeDesu | proudfoot: GMCC doesn't teach tech course as NAIT already has that covered |
| 08:58.59 | proudfoot | i meant, take enough courses |
| 08:59.03 | proudfoot | transfer to a real university |
| 08:59.29 | DakeDesu | proudfoot: UA's science department is in the middle of nowhere |
| 08:59.47 | DakeDesu | I'd have to move to a small town with very little public transit to edmonton |
| 09:00.01 | DakeDesu | apart from Greyhound |
| 09:00.05 | Landon | [mharrison]: this channel, you butt |
| 09:00.36 | sid0 | Landon: also, tell your prof to use astyle |
| 09:00.43 | sid0 | or use it yourself |
| 09:00.45 | DakeDesu | NAIT does do a four year program IIRC though (well three years with one break year) |
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| 09:01.17 | Landon | sid0: hah interesting |
| 09:01.19 | proudfoot | because honestly, its not easy to get a job without a 4 year degree |
| 09:01.23 | proudfoot | from a big name institution |
| 09:01.25 | Landon | I just use visual studio for my assignments this your though |
| 09:01.32 | Landon | year* |
| 09:01.38 | Landon | path of least resistance :) |
| 09:01.41 | proudfoot | I'm personally, ECE, so we learn C followed by assembly |
| 09:01.46 | DakeDesu | first year programming is in Java, which Java is one of my three first langauges I'd do |
| 09:01.46 | Landon | and it pretty much enforces his style |
| 09:01.48 | proudfoot | and never really touch the high level stuff |
| 09:01.57 | sid0 | Landon: um, C++ or C#? |
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| 09:02.02 | Landon | C# |
| 09:02.02 | DakeDesu | first three learning languages* |
| 09:02.04 | sid0 | ah yeah |
| 09:02.08 | proudfoot | oh god that noob DinkyDogg_ |
| 09:02.14 | DinkyDogg_ | haha |
| 09:02.15 | DinkyDogg_ | good to see you too proudfoot |
| 09:02.22 | sid0 | Landon: by default that's very close to the allman style =) |
| 09:02.30 | DakeDesu | for any beginer I'd suggest python, delphi or Java... |
| 09:02.36 | proudfoot | delphi wtf |
| 09:02.39 | Landon | proudfoot: really? here computer engineering has to take a few higher level programming courses |
| 09:02.45 | proudfoot | i'm eletrical |
| 09:02.47 | proudfoot | not computer |
| 09:02.48 | Landon | EEs only have to take C though |
| 09:02.49 | Landon | a |
| 09:02.49 | sid0 | coded his first ever python program yesterday :) |
| 09:02.51 | Landon | ah |
| 09:02.59 | Landon | sid0: congratulations :P |
| 09:03.03 | proudfoot | haha |
| 09:03.16 | Landon | pretty much went from perl to python |
| 09:03.24 | DinkyDogg_ | hallo everyone |
| 09:03.27 | DakeDesu | proudfoot: technically NAIT is a four year degree... |
| 09:03.41 | proudfoot | but any school with a program that involves VB |
| 09:03.44 | proudfoot | in the second year |
| 09:03.49 | DakeDesu | I went from perl to a mixture of Python and Ruby |
| 09:03.52 | proudfoot | I tend to be rather suspicious of |
| 09:04.02 | DinkyDogg_ | so far i'm only C/C++ |
| 09:04.06 | DakeDesu | proudfoot: Its Canada, businesses like people with MSCE degrees |
| 09:04.07 | DinkyDogg_ | hoping to expand :) |
| 09:04.07 | proudfoot | started with BASIC here |
| 09:04.17 | DinkyDogg_ | heh |
| 09:04.21 | DinkyDogg_ | started on my sister's calculator |
| 09:04.24 | proudfoot | 10 Print PENIS |
| 09:04.25 | DinkyDogg_ | with TI-BASIC |
| 09:04.27 | proudfoot | 20 GOTO 10 |
| 09:04.28 | DinkyDogg_ | haha |
| 09:04.30 | proudfoot | I have done that |
| 09:04.39 | sid0 | Landon: yeah it was actually really really easy. (coded something to keep alive our newly implemented firewall auth system without leaving a browser window open) respect for python. |
| 09:04.44 | DinkyDogg_ | proudfoot, i went way beyond that |
| 09:04.46 | proudfoot | LI WHY IS THE COMPUTER SPEWING PENIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN |
| 09:04.47 | DinkyDogg_ | i actually animated penises |
| 09:04.50 | DakeDesu | started with QBASIC when to PHP, went to PHP, then to C++ then to Perl, now mostly use Ruby Python or C++ |
| 09:04.50 | proudfoot | Mom, its a virus |
| 09:04.55 | proudfoot | okay you win |
| 09:05.01 | Landon | sid0: yeah, I'm going to agree with randall munroe on python... executable pseudocode |
| 09:05.04 | Landon | I <3 it |
| 09:05.09 | proudfoot | its excellent |
| 09:05.09 | Landon | not sure why I was hesitant to use it at first |
| 09:05.17 | proudfoot | it also enforces good practice |
| 09:05.26 | proudfoot | with the whitespace counting in syntax thing |
| 09:05.26 | Landon | also not sure why my friends complain about whitespace.. when they'd be putting whitespace in anyways |
| 09:05.28 | Landon | *shrug* |
| 09:05.34 | sid0 | Landon: PM? |
| 09:05.38 | Landon | PM |
| 09:06.15 | DinkyDogg_ | it's AM here |
| 09:06.18 | DinkyDogg_ | harrr |
| 09:06.20 | DakeDesu | went to PHP, went to Perl, then to C++ |
| 09:06.24 | tcoppi | lots of people seem to complain about python whitespace for some reason |
| 09:06.24 | DakeDesu | * |
| 09:06.40 | DakeDesu | tcoppi: well then they'd hate the langauge "white space" |
| 09:06.41 | tcoppi | resistant to something different I guess |
| 09:06.54 | DakeDesu | my person favourite langauge is Intercal |
| 09:07.01 | DinkyDogg_ | what's that? |
| 09:07.23 | tcoppi | esoteric language no one can write anything significant in |
| 09:07.30 | tcoppi | my favorite is occam |
| 09:07.52 | DinkyDogg_ | putting in a vote for "english" |
| 09:08.01 | DinkyDogg_ | actually scratch that |
| 09:08.07 | DinkyDogg_ | i'd totally rather write a program than an essay |
| 09:08.34 | DakeDesu | DinkyDogg_: intercal is an esoteric langauge created in the 1960s which the authors still haven't lived down. It is known for having decent Intercal being indistiguishable from Line Noise |
| 09:08.55 | DinkyDogg_ | haha |
| 09:08.56 | DakeDesu | mmm... Line Noise |
| 09:09.27 | DakeDesu | my favourite Intercal Interpreters are the ones written in Perl |
| 09:10.16 | DakeDesu | *sigh* if only I was not waiting for Perl6 before working more with Perl |
| 09:10.27 | tcoppi | you'll be in for a long wait |
| 09:11.03 | DakeDesu | I just don't want to see something similar to how perl 4 was still around in 2003, when Perl 5 came out in 1995 |
| 09:11.14 | DakeDesu | perl 4 code* |
| 09:12.06 | DakeDesu | oh well, when the lord thundering jesus comes down from the heavans, I am sure he'll have Perl 6 and Duke Nukem Forever with him |
| 09:12.12 | DakeDesu | wait, I did that joke already |
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| 09:12.56 | proudfoot | wow wow someone from reactos |
| 09:13.04 | tcoppi | dnf is supposed to be out this year :) |
| 09:13.18 | proudfoot | haha |
| 09:13.21 | proudfoot | i've heard that one before |
| 09:13.22 | rkatiyar | haha |
| 09:13.24 | DinkyDogg_ | haha |
| 09:13.49 | tcoppi | no really, this time it will be out |
| 09:13.56 | proudfoot | i've heard that too |
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| 15:04.51 | head-embedded | I wish to set some questions concerning GSoC. To whom to me will address? |
| 15:10.54 | mordante | just ask here |
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| 15:24.07 | ahf | hm. it's not possible to be a student when you're still at your senior year in high school, right? |
| 15:24.36 | ahf | participated as a mentor when he was in his first year of high school |
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| 15:25.58 | spectie | ahf, yes |
| 15:26.00 | spectie | that is not possible |
| 15:26.10 | spectie | you have to be enrolled in higher education |
| 15:26.14 | spectie | ~fq |
| 15:26.15 | ibot | [fq] Frequently Asked Question |
| 15:26.15 | spectie | ~fa |
| 15:26.16 | spectie | ~faq |
| 15:26.17 | ibot | The GSoC 2009 FAQ is here: http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html |
| 15:26.18 | spectie | por fin |
| 15:26.31 | spectie | http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html |
| 15:26.57 | spectie | http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html#0_1_student_eligibility_168297_04942995566279251 |
| 15:28.11 | ahf | yeah, that's why i asked as well. |
| 15:28.27 | ahf | but there're no requirements for being a mentor? |
| 15:28.40 | thebolt | ahf: nope, thats fully up to the organizations |
| 15:28.46 | spectie | yep |
| 15:29.03 | ahf | heh. |
| 15:29.10 | thebolt | ahf: last year there was everything from retired persons to elementary school students being mentors ;) |
| 15:29.17 | ahf | yup |
| 15:29.31 | ahf | as said, i was a mentor (for gentoo) when i was in my first high school year |
| 15:29.39 | spectie | nice |
| 15:29.44 | ahf | but i considered participating as a student this year, but looks like that's not going to be possible |
| 15:30.09 | spectie | nop :/ |
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| 15:30.33 | thebolt | mm.. i've considered the same but for opposite reasons.. will be my last year at uni so if i ever want to be a student and not just admin+mentor i better do it this sumer ;) |
| 15:31.06 | ahf | well, i'm involved in a couple of projects, so i can probably easily become a mentor |
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| 17:25.26 | *** topic/#gsoc is Spread the Word About GSoC 2009 - Flyers & Program Presentations Updated for This Year, see the wiki - Upload your screen casts, etc. to our YouTube Channel (details on mentors and students list) - Mentors, Help Us Test Melange: http://tinyurl.com/melangetesters - This channel is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gsoc |
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| 18:14.19 | Guest74796 | hi all |
| 18:14.40 | Guest74796 | wats going on here |
| 18:15.23 | lut4rp | we're rewriting the Linux kernel. Sshhhh... |
| 18:15.51 | Guest74796 | thnx |
| 18:16.04 | Jpowers4 | lol |
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| 18:25.36 | pygi | hi |
| 18:25.45 | spectie | hey pygi |
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| 18:39.43 | hippieindamakin8 | lut4rp, sure we are :P |
| 18:40.08 | lut4rp | hippieindamakin8: I'm almost done with the ext17 filesystem. |
| 18:40.21 | lut4rp | hippieindamakin8: how's you doing? |
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| 19:12.09 | garbus | Re |
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| 19:45.23 | ajuonline | ahf: you need to be over 18 and into a university program, no such thing for a mentor. yes :) |
| 19:45.28 | ajuonline | sorry if thats late. |
| 19:45.38 | ahf | heh. it's okay to answer later :) |
| 19:45.46 | ahf | well. i'm 19, but as said, still in high school. |
| 19:45.53 | ajuonline | ok |
| 19:46.04 | Landon | are you going to be enrolledi n uni for the next fall session? |
| 19:46.20 | ahf | i'm going to start at the university this summer |
| 19:46.44 | ajuonline | april 20, 2009. thats the date where you should be enrolled in to _some_ university program iirc. |
| 19:47.58 | ahf | not going to happen. i'm going to do a talk for a couple of scientist about the use of some of their research programs in opensource at the local university two days later though :P |
| 19:48.01 | ahf | giggles |
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| 19:50.54 | ajuonline | ahf: or maybe you can hack on some foss project, and save the wolrd till then. :) |
| 19:51.02 | ahf | oh i will |
| 19:51.14 | ahf | i'm going to work on irssi regardless of it's part of the gsoc project or not :) |
| 19:51.26 | ajuonline | ahf: i highly recommend, http://sahana.lk or www.sahanapy.org [python] |
| 19:51.33 | ajuonline | ;) |
| 19:52.18 | ahf | that sounds very interesting. are you supported by some big organizations as well? |
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| 19:52.31 | ajuonline | ahf: yup, check the sponsors list :) |
| 19:52.55 | ajuonline | that is what i refer to as _save the world_ |
| 19:53.01 | ajuonline | of course, I am biased :) |
| 19:53.11 | ajuonline | coz, I work on that project. |
| 19:53.34 | ahf | impressive |
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| 19:54.45 | ajuonline | ahf: so is that a yes/no ? |
| 19:56.07 | Landon | ajuonline: sahana has python projects? :O |
| 19:56.08 | ahf | i'm not going to start looking at another project right now. i'm already involved in both exherbo and irssi |
| 19:56.15 | ahf | plus i suck at python |
| 19:56.35 | Landon | ahf: hehe, nothing to learn about python... executable pseudocode :P |
| 19:56.46 | ahf | haha. |
| 19:56.59 | ahf | that's perhaps the best definition to a language, ever :) |
| 19:57.17 | Landon | (stole it from randall of XKCD) |
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| 19:58.27 | ajuonline | Landon: yAy! |
| 19:58.43 | ajuonline | Landon: we just started a experimental/re-write , wanna join? ;) |
| 19:59.00 | Landon | if its a summer of code project *cough**cough* |
| 19:59.03 | Landon | too much going on at school |
| 19:59.11 | Landon | have a few projects on my back burner for myself :( |
| 19:59.15 | ajuonline | yes, we are applyinh to SoC |
| 19:59.24 | ajuonline | applying* as an org |
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