| 00:00.01 | thebolt|away | i'd guess economy :P |
| 00:00.08 | ojwb | I'd guess partly the economic downturn and partly that it seemed a bit overwhelming last year at times |
| 00:00.10 | scorche | i am not google and dont claim to know the actual reason, but it is not surprising at all considering the current economy situation |
| 00:00.40 | ojwb | growing the numbers every year isn't likely to be sustainable anyway |
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| 00:01.57 | hsz | economy situation.. ehh.. at my work it is good reproof last time ;) |
| 00:02.16 | ojwb | fwiw, the faq says "We expect slightly fewer organizations to take part in 2009, as we've capped the number of student participants at 1,000" |
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| 00:02.19 | hsz | and where can i find list of probably orgs this year ? |
| 00:02.41 | hsz | i think that 1,000 of students is a bit low amount |
| 00:02.45 | ojwb | i don't think you can |
| 00:03.05 | ojwb | the org application date isn't until next month |
| 00:03.24 | ojwb | if you have particular interests, ask those projects |
| 00:03.40 | scorche | you can see who participated last year and ask if they plan on participating |
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| 00:04.00 | scorche | hsz: when you are willing to give out that much money, feel free to say that ;) |
| 00:04.08 | welterde | hi |
| 00:06.44 | hsz | scorche: there are many ways :) |
| 00:07.06 | hsz | hi welterde |
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| 01:28.31 | pygi | hi |
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| 01:32.01 | sammcd | What time would someone know if they had a Gsoc for 09 ? |
| 01:33.08 | sammcd | I am currently talking to people about other summer jobs. My favorite would be to do a Gsoc, but at the same time these other offers have time limits. Thats bascically my reason for asking. |
| 01:33.28 | Catfish_Man | soc 09 has already been announced |
| 01:33.45 | wite | i think he means when will he know if he got in or not >.> |
| 01:34.01 | Catfish_Man | ah |
| 01:34.04 | Catfish_Man | not for quite a while |
| 01:34.33 | Dragonking | sammcd: http://code.google.com/intl/pl-PL/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html#0_1_timeline_5354032302481437_ |
| 01:34.41 | sammcd | thanks |
| 01:35.06 | Dragonking | You're welcome. |
| 01:36.14 | sammcd | Cool, april 20 is definitely pushing it... We'll see. |
| 01:36.48 | sammcd | I could try and do both :/ But I don't know if I could pull that off. |
| 01:37.08 | sammcd | Ya... nevermind that. |
| 01:40.32 | ojwb | sammcd: you should really treat gsoc as a full time job - it's unlikely you can do a project justice while holding down a full time job as well |
| 01:46.03 | sammcd | ojwb: Ya, thats how I see it. I just wish it announced earlier. Leaning towards taking the job and trying to do my project in my spare time without it being a gsoc. |
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| 01:48.09 | sammcd | Anyway thanks for the valuable information I will have a long talk with my possible future employer :P |
| 01:48.52 | r0bby | sammcd: not possible |
| 01:49.10 | r0bby | Summer of code takes a HUGE time commitment |
| 01:49.36 | sammcd | Heh, how many times do I have to say nevermind? |
| 01:49.37 | r0bby | I have friends whom i've tried to get to participate who wanna try and just do it thinking it'd be easy money |
| 01:49.47 | r0bby | ditch the other job :D |
| 01:49.55 | r0bby | This looks amazing on your resume |
| 01:49.58 | sammcd | well... If I don't get the gsoc then I'm out on my own. |
| 01:50.15 | sammcd | However taking the job means money :D. And I can still work on open source stuff. |
| 01:50.16 | r0bby | then you better make damn sure you DO get in :) |
| 01:50.22 | r0bby | duh |
| 01:50.23 | Catfish_Man | r0bby: that can be difficult :P |
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| 07:47.46 | codestr0m | are there any would-be gsoc students floating around that are interested in hacking on web based java projects? |
| 07:48.11 | codestr0m | I have some really creative ideas that would be great and if so may try to get it off the ground |
| 07:49.50 | r0bby | is here |
| 07:49.53 | r0bby | bbuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut |
| 07:50.02 | r0bby | I have a project I have to finish from '08 |
| 07:50.09 | r0bby | :'( |
| 07:50.14 | r0bby | I'm doing it :) |
| 07:50.25 | r0bby | I have some problems w/ it that aren't good. |
| 07:50.35 | r0bby | overall it's amazing :D |
| 07:50.37 | r0bby | <3 it |
| 07:50.43 | r0bby | finally learning about ti :D |
| 07:50.47 | r0bby | Spring MVC :-/ |
| 07:52.26 | scorche | takes away r0bby's enter key |
| 07:52.58 | ecin | If you happen to have any awesome ideas for a Ruby-based project, let me know! |
| 07:53.54 | codestr0m | r0bby: hi.. you know I want Wicket to partake in this year's gsoc if possible |
| 07:54.01 | codestr0m | ecin: in a way yes I do in fact |
| 07:54.13 | codestr0m | ecin: it's not ruby code, but would benefit the framework a lot |
| 07:54.28 | ecin | listens. |
| 07:55.00 | r0bby | codestr0m: hang in ##wicket |
| 07:55.05 | r0bby | on that note zzzz |
| 07:55.05 | codestr0m | ecin: it's really really tough though. because it's about adding bindings to either nginx or haproxy |
| 07:55.15 | r0bby | sleep -> school -> maybe code?? |
| 07:55.24 | ecin | Bindings for? |
| 07:55.25 | r0bby | iff no hw |
| 07:55.27 | codestr0m | r0bby: I was there for the past 3 years.. :P recently changed irc clients though |
| 07:55.43 | codestr0m | ecin: I'll pm you more details instead of channel noise |
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| 07:57.46 | r0bby | I ughhhhhh |
| 07:58.03 | r0bby | I hate my design so much |
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| 12:23.33 | schumaml | will there be official versions of the soc logo at a few common sizes (banners, icons, and the like)? |
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| 12:24.47 | codestr0m | schumaml: isn't there vector based gsoc 09 logo around? |
| 12:24.54 | Gurpartap | It'll be a SVG |
| 12:25.04 | Gurpartap | afaik |
| 12:25.15 | Mek | "The 2009 logo is now available. Currently only in png, but more file formats and sizes coming soon. |
| 12:25.44 | Gurpartap | Heh |
| 12:26.19 | Gurpartap | Maybe no vector format, as they use some some other graphics in it, like the world map and flowers ('07) |
| 12:26.38 | Gurpartap | (which might not be available in vector format) |
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| 12:33.20 | schumaml | I guess I'll do my own until the official ones become available |
| 12:42.09 | schumaml | first, crude attempt: http://mibbit.com/up/6Qk1SxGY.png |
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| 12:52.17 | MatthewWilkes | http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/windows-3-1-running-on-nokia-n95-is-both-awesome-and-depressing/ |
| 12:52.22 | MatthewWilkes | - Do I install windows on my phone>? |
| 12:52.58 | kblin | windows 3.11 wasn't that bad for it's time |
| 12:53.10 | ajuonline | MatthewWilkes: why would you want to do that! |
| 12:53.11 | MatthewWilkes | Yeah, I used to use it a lot |
| 12:53.17 | MatthewWilkes | some fun DLLHell at times though |
| 12:54.40 | kblin | MatthewWilkes: well, yeah.. |
| 12:55.17 | kblin | and I remember that my cdrom driver and my sound card driver were at war and deleted random directories on the hard drive when both were loaded... |
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| 13:00.30 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: I remember having to copy winsock2.dll into ICQ 0.99b's working directory to get it to connect |
| 13:00.44 | MatthewWilkes | my soundcard and cdrom were fine together though |
| 13:00.57 | MatthewWilkes | They were both SCSI on the same daisychain |
| 13:01.06 | gloob | hehe, old time always are better |
| 13:01.09 | gloob | s/time/times |
| 13:01.35 | gloob | I remember patching kernel sources to have my soundblaster cdrom controller working |
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| 13:02.05 | kblin | yeah, back in those days even the future was brighter ;) |
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| 13:05.57 | gloob | kblin: yep, more than now |
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| 15:16.58 | kv | \list |
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| 15:26.20 | MatthewWilkes | Argh, more spam on soc-discuss |
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| 15:27.28 | kblin | MatthewWilkes: spam as in real spam? |
| 15:27.40 | Ivanovic | jupp |
| 15:27.53 | Ivanovic | subject: OT: please give me 60 seconds of your time |
| 15:27.59 | kv | )) |
| 15:28.19 | kv | and about shoes |
| 15:28.21 | kv | )) |
| 15:28.33 | Ivanovic | stuff that clearly should *not* be on the list... |
| 15:28.56 | kv | sell Sport Shoes))) |
| 15:30.29 | kv | i react easy on this laters |
| 15:30.53 | kblin | ah |
| 15:31.10 | kblin | I don't read soc-discuss, so I didn't notice :) |
| 15:31.38 | ESphynx | hey gus |
| 15:31.56 | ESphynx | guys*, anything special I should know in preparation for applying as a mentor organization? :) |
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| 15:36.21 | kv | do you want to be a mentor? |
| 15:36.32 | ESphynx | yes |
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| 15:37.08 | kblin | !faq |
| 15:37.08 | socinfo | "faq" is http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html |
| 15:37.18 | ESphynx | oh the 2009 is there now |
| 15:37.18 | kv | have you already read the presentation and FAQ? |
| 15:37.31 | ESphynx | where's the presentation at |
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| 15:38.02 | kv | no the potential mentor will registrate 8 march |
| 15:38.22 | ESphynx | I meant the fact |
| 15:38.35 | ESphynx | and that's march 9, right? |
| 15:38.41 | kv | y |
| 15:38.53 | kblin | !timeline |
| 15:38.53 | socinfo | "timeline" is over, wait till next year. |
| 15:39.00 | kblin | ah, drats |
| 15:39.11 | brlcad | heh |
| 15:39.27 | ESphynx | lol |
| 15:39.29 | kblin | danderson: you had mad socinfo adjustment skills, didn't you? |
| 15:39.33 | gloob | !update socinfo |
| 15:39.33 | socinfo | Error: "update" is not a valid command. |
| 15:39.37 | gloob | :P |
| 15:39.45 | ESphynx | anybody interested in hearing about my project? |
| 15:39.51 | danderson | kblin: hm? |
| 15:39.52 | danderson | oh |
| 15:39.52 | kblin | sure :) |
| 15:39.55 | brlcad | ~gsoctimeline |
| 15:39.56 | ibot | i heard gsoctimeline is http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html#0_1_timeline_5354032302481437_ |
| 15:39.56 | danderson | socinfo: forget timeline |
| 15:39.56 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 15:40.24 | danderson | socinfo: timeline is http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html#0_1_timeline_5354032302481437_ |
| 15:40.25 | socinfo | Error: "timeline" is not a valid command. |
| 15:40.27 | ESphynx | kblin it's a cross platform SDK, GUI toolkit, IDE and new programming language, mainly |
| 15:40.32 | danderson | socinfo: learn timeline as http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html#0_1_timeline_5354032302481437_ |
| 15:40.32 | socinfo | The operation succeeded. |
| 15:40.35 | danderson | timeline? |
| 15:40.41 | danderson | !timeline |
| 15:40.41 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html#0_1_timeline_5354032302481437_ |
| 15:40.48 | danderson | socinfo: forget gsoctimeline |
| 15:40.49 | socinfo | Error: There is no such factoid. |
| 15:40.58 | brlcad | wrong bot |
| 15:40.59 | danderson | what's with ibot? |
| 15:41.09 | danderson | do we need 53 bots to answer questions? |
| 15:41.12 | kv | ESphynx: yas i am intereated, are you registred on gmail? |
| 15:41.20 | brlcad | we've already had this exact discussion before |
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| 15:41.25 | Landon | danderson: I thought ibot did logging |
| 15:41.26 | ESphynx | kv on gmail ? |
| 15:41.32 | brlcad | it does |
| 15:41.34 | brlcad | ~logs |
| 15:41.35 | ibot | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 15:41.57 | danderson | Landon: so does socbot |
| 15:42.02 | danderson | shit |
| 15:42.05 | danderson | which I just killed. |
| 15:42.11 | Landon | heh |
| 15:42.19 | gloob | bots-- |
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| 15:43.32 | danderson | so, again |
| 15:43.34 | brlcad | ibot also has an extensively bigger/better factoid database for other topics (probably more than any other irc bot if I had to guess) that is often useful |
| 15:43.35 | ibot | brlcad: what are you talking about? |
| 15:43.35 | danderson | why two bots? |
| 15:43.51 | danderson | brlcad: relevant to soc? Otherwise we don't give a damn, tbh |
| 15:44.08 | danderson | but hey, if you want to handle the whiners wanting logs purged, be my guest |
| 15:44.26 | brlcad | as relevant as having chanserv and other network services |
| 15:44.34 | MatthewWilkes | brlcad: Ew, it talks when you say its name |
| 15:44.35 | brlcad | that's already taken care of with ibot, it's not some pet project |
| 15:44.38 | danderson | parse error |
| 15:44.38 | danderson | what? |
| 15:44.40 | MatthewWilkes | ibot should stay bloody quiet |
| 15:44.47 | MatthewWilkes | hmm, better |
| 15:44.49 | brlcad | logs are never purged |
| 15:45.05 | danderson | so far, you're describing the supybot I was running |
| 15:45.16 | danderson | but honestly, I don't care. If lh doesn't care, I don't either :) |
| 15:45.26 | easwar | does that mean that if ibot quits,this channel is no longer logged? |
| 15:45.38 | danderson | yes. |
| 15:45.41 | Landon | easwar: we don't need 5 9s on logging :P |
| 15:45.45 | danderson | same deal as with socbot |
| 15:45.57 | easwar | Landon, 5 9s? |
| 15:46.04 | danderson | just make sure it's registered, so that asshats can't prevent it joining. |
| 15:46.05 | Landon | 99.999% uptime |
| 15:46.33 | kblin | ESphynx: all in one? |
| 15:46.34 | easwar | Landon, oh,ok,ibot occasionally leaves? |
| 15:46.44 | Landon | easwar: no clue, but the world won't end! |
| 15:46.45 | Landon | :P |
| 15:46.55 | easwar | Landon, oh,hmm |
| 15:49.45 | ESphynx | kblin : well all these make up the SDK and work together ... |
| 15:49.47 | ESphynx | and e.g. the IDE and GUI toolkit are written in the language, and they are using its GUI toolkit |
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| 15:59.37 | kblin | ESphynx: you've probably heard this before, but what can your language/ide/gui toolkit do that I can't do as conveniently with some language I already know? :) |
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| 15:59.57 | ESphynx | kblin indeed I have, and actually quite a lot :P |
| 16:00.40 | Ivanovic | *wonderfull* |
| 16:00.59 | kblin | ESphynx: so the other way around, what are you trying to solve with your new language? |
| 16:01.08 | ESphynx | just a sec on the phone |
| 16:01.15 | kblin | sure, no hurry |
| 16:01.21 | Ivanovic | ordered a bluetooth dongle for $2.74 (including shipping) and it works perfectly under linux |
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| 16:01.54 | brlcad | danderson: I don't really care either, you're the one that raises the question anytime anyone uses ibot :) |
| 16:02.37 | brlcad | lh asked it to be joined, that request went to tim riker directly (who is good friends with dibona) |
| 16:04.24 | danderson | brlcad: any time? |
| 16:04.28 | MatthewWilkes | kblin: I heard an interesting one from one of my old professors. It is a syntax error to have no else on an if and no content in that else or in excepts. The idea is to prevent errors being easily suppressed, you need to deal with them |
| 16:04.36 | danderson | this is honestly the first I remember seeing of it. |
| 16:04.43 | brlcad | and as far as duplication goes, ibot was running first -- so technically you're the one that has duplicated functionality that was already in place (nih?) |
| 16:05.03 | danderson | ... running first? |
| 16:05.09 | danderson | I must have fallen into a parellel universe. |
| 16:05.15 | danderson | but as I said, I *really* don't care |
| 16:05.20 | danderson | and rm -rf'd socbot anyway |
| 16:05.24 | danderson | so, enjoy |
| 16:07.36 | brlcad | no need to be snarky, as I said, I don't care either |
| 16:11.39 | ESphynx | sorry back around... |
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| 16:12.15 | ESphynx | kblin : as a C programmer, I had my SDK built as a C library. I was looking for a nice way to organize things in an object oriented manner, and somehow C++ just wasn't doing it for me. |
| 16:13.26 | ESphynx | one thing really missing was properties, and a more elegant syntax better suited for GUI. But I still wanted things to be native so C#/Java weren't doing it either. |
| 16:16.51 | ESphynx | this sums it up in a few lines: http://www.ecere.com/whyEcere.png |
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| 16:25.50 | kblin | ah |
| 16:26.00 | kblin | how does it compare to ObjC? |
| 16:26.07 | ajuonline | can anyone provide some feedback on my linkedin summary/goals :) ? |
| 16:26.16 | ESphynx | kblin: *cough* it looks a lot saner :P |
| 16:26.58 | ESphynx | ObjC took the stance to be absolutely compatible with C, i.e. not even adding keywords, so instead adopted a really funky syntax |
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| 16:27.20 | ESphynx | I like to see eC as the natural evolution of C towards object-oriented ;) |
| 16:27.44 | kblin | :) |
| 16:28.11 | brlcad | ESphynx: funky syntax? ever used smalltalk? |
| 16:28.18 | ESphynx | brlcad ;) |
| 16:28.35 | brlcad | the adopted syntax from a pure OO grandaddy |
| 16:28.44 | ESphynx | Isn't ObjC smalltalk inspired? :) |
| 16:28.50 | brlcad | that's my point |
| 16:29.00 | ESphynx | it's funky for us C kids :P |
| 16:29.18 | kblin | dunno, I prefer it to C++ |
| 16:29.20 | brlcad | the OO should also be "funky" for a C kid :) |
| 16:29.30 | ESphynx | granted :) |
| 16:29.41 | kblin | there's that as well |
| 16:30.38 | ESphynx | different tools for different ppl :) but there is some elegance and compactness in eC code. |
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| 16:31.11 | ESphynx | and it will be friendlier for non-smalltalk ppl :) |
| 16:32.05 | brlcad | you should embrace other languages ;) |
| 16:32.15 | kblin | shrugs |
| 16:32.26 | brlcad | smalltalk in particular is fantastic at least for teaching OO |
| 16:32.36 | ESphynx | brlcad I love my language :P |
| 16:32.39 | kblin | ESphynx: looks like an interesting concept, I just don't deal with OO |
| 16:32.47 | ESphynx | kblin :) |
| 16:33.01 | kblin | <-- C hacker |
| 16:33.16 | ESphynx | kblin OO is useful :P |
| 16:33.27 | kblin | sure, if you want to write GUIs |
| 16:33.35 | ESphynx | among other things :) |
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| 16:33.43 | brlcad | if all you know is how to hammer, everything starts to look like a nail ;) |
| 16:33.45 | ESphynx | but the nice things about eC is you have C right in your hand |
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| 16:34.40 | kblin | ESphynx: in the last 4 years, I think I didn't work on many things that would have been easier with an OO language |
| 16:35.11 | kblin | apart from Microsoft's sick DCOM stuff, but that's probably a pain in every language |
| 16:35.14 | ESphynx | hehehe |
| 16:37.28 | kblin | e.g. I'm currently writing some computational biology tools in python because prototyping is easy in python and the dept's C++ libs have python bindings, but I just use "class" for some data collections I'd use structs for in C |
| 16:38.16 | kblin | of course they have a couple of member functions, but that's a mere convenience |
| 16:39.01 | kblin | all I save is one parameter when calling the function |
| 16:39.08 | ESphynx | Well that's where eC is convenient |
| 16:39.11 | ESphynx | It's no overhead... |
| 16:39.26 | ESphynx | You can just use it as C with struct member functions |
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| 16:40.01 | kblin | on a sidenote, there's spam on your wiki front page |
| 16:40.06 | ESphynx | kblin spam? |
| 16:40.15 | ESphynx | bleh :S |
| 16:40.39 | ESphynx | thanks . fixed it. |
| 16:42.40 | brlcad | ESphynx: does eC support code blocks and closures? |
| 16:43.31 | kblin | looking at your recent changes, I'd suggest some extensions like SpamBlacklist or even ConfirmEdit for your mediawiki, or you'll waste many precious hours of your life cleaning up after spammers |
| 16:43.32 | brlcad | and run-time type inference |
| 16:43.37 | kblin | been there, done that... |
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| 16:44.59 | ESphynx | kblin it hasn't been too bad lol |
| 16:45.16 | ESphynx | but yeah I need to do a bit of work on the site :P |
| 16:45.38 | kblin | ESphynx: I'm running a mediawiki as well, and it's been a royal pain |
| 16:45.41 | ESphynx | brlcad it does support a lot of runtime stuff.. it's very dynamic |
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| 16:45.59 | ESphynx | brlcad it doesn't support closures, what are code blocks? |
| 16:52.37 | brlcad | ESphynx: code blocks are blocks of code that you can pass around, sort of like templates in C++ or actual code blocks that you'd get from the likes of smalltalk or ruby -- generally a pure OO feature, block of code as an object in itself |
| 16:53.19 | brlcad | have to have closures to support them |
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| 16:58.18 | ESphynx | ah yeah |
| 16:58.29 | ESphynx | I would say that's part of where I'm trying to go with eC. |
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| 16:58.43 | ESphynx | eC has dynamic templates |
| 16:58.58 | ESphynx | See http://www.ecere.com/blog/2008/09/03/ecere-sdk-043-templates-syntax-highlighting/ |
| 16:59.09 | ESphynx | i.e. not recompiled for every new data type they need to be used with |
| 17:00.09 | brlcad | fwiw, compared to code blocks, templates are a hack |
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| 17:00.32 | brlcad | they're just "similar" in some respects |
| 17:01.10 | ESphynx | right. |
| 17:01.16 | brlcad | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smalltalk#Code_blocks |
| 17:01.32 | ESphynx | I designed eC partly as a scripting language for a game SDK, something like Virtools I want to make |
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| 17:01.39 | brlcad | templates effectively make them non-anonymous |
| 17:01.45 | ESphynx | to be able to script an object's methods |
| 17:02.09 | ESphynx | i.e. eC instances can override virtual methods |
| 17:02.20 | ESphynx | which makes it particularly useful for GUI |
| 17:04.59 | ESphynx | well, nice chatting with you guys :) have to go, catch you later :) |
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| 18:09.58 | mlankhorst | :o |
| 18:10.03 | mlankhorst | jumps on lh's free couch |
| 18:10.18 | lh | mlankhorst: hey there |
| 18:10.23 | lh | how are you? |
| 18:10.35 | lh | is busy writing documentation for would-be testers of melange |
| 18:10.36 | scorche|sh | lh! |
| 18:10.50 | scorche|sh | sorry i didnt say goodbye..i had to leave and didnt see you immediately =( |
| 18:11.01 | mlankhorst | heu |
| 18:11.11 | lh | scorche|sh: all good |
| 18:11.26 | mlankhorst | lh: I'm good, slightly tired though |
| 18:11.37 | lh | mlankhorst: cool. |
| 18:12.28 | ajuonline | jumps and dances with lh |
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| 18:12.41 | lh | ajuonline: hey ajay! :) busy, sorry :) |
| 18:12.45 | antarus | lh: is there any way to get our org app from last year? :) |
| 18:12.52 | mlankhorst | and slowly starting to try to organize wine's part of soc 2009 |
| 18:12.53 | ajuonline | lol ok :) |
| 18:12.58 | lh | antarus: that would be lovely, eh? not that i know of. |
| 18:13.02 | lh | mlankhorst: cool |
| 18:13.34 | antarus | tried going in the backdoor but found it locked |
| 18:13.44 | antarus | so I should bribe one of the engineers; got it ;p |
| 18:13.55 | lh | antarus: beer or pizza |
| 18:13.56 | lh | :) |
| 18:15.05 | summatusmentis | Google needs to figure out how to modify time |
| 18:15.09 | summatusmentis | so there can be more hours in the day |
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| 18:15.33 | ajuonline | +1 |
| 18:15.47 | ajuonline | we need to file a bug request |
| 18:15.55 | ajuonline | does god use BugZilla? |
| 18:16.19 | summatusmentis | or even if not god, can we file a bug request to modify the laws of space-time? |
| 18:16.40 | summatusmentis | like, I know the system is in production already, but everyone would benefit greatly |
| 18:17.03 | ajuonline | umm, lets work it out, and propose as a gsoc application. google can be the mentoring org, |
| 18:17.11 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: what say? |
| 18:17.28 | summatusmentis | only one of us can be granted that project though :) |
| 18:17.45 | schumaml | summatusmentis: why modify the laws? |
| 18:17.54 | ajuonline | umm, collaboration is allowed, but yeah one person gets it :) |
| 18:18.14 | summatusmentis | schumaml: well, because that's what governs the way space-time operates |
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| 18:19.11 | rohananil | i am sure there is time-travel machine in area 51 |
| 18:19.15 | summatusmentis | if I didn't have classes I had to be at, I'd totally try http://xkcd.com/320/ |
| 18:19.16 | rohananil | a* |
| 18:19.45 | summatusmentis | rohananil: sure, but how many of us have clearance to area 51? |
| 18:20.08 | rohananil | :) |
| 18:20.33 | rohananil | i need some help with GtkIconView |
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| 18:20.58 | schumaml | ah yes, I forgot the problem of submiting your project to google in time if you do accelerate their hq close to light speed |
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| 18:22.18 | Lennie|Food | thanks lh |
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| 18:25.07 | Lennie|Food | <- I'm a developer for Melange, if you ever need help or have a question about it feel free to ping me. Or SRabbelier ^^ |
| 18:25.18 | SRabbelier | Lennie|Food: +1 |
| 18:25.25 | Lennie|Food | Back to dinner :) |
| 18:25.28 | Ivanovic | be carefull, we might make use of this offer |
| 18:25.28 | Lennie|Food | almost ready :D |
| 18:25.36 | Ivanovic | that is: we will when we encounter any problems |
| 18:25.37 | SRabbelier | Ivanovic: you should :) |
| 18:25.38 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 18:25.55 | SRabbelier | Ivanovic: we don't work for Google though, so we might not know specific stuff ;) |
| 18:26.01 | MatthewWilkes | Lennie|Food: Welcome to the fold! |
| 18:26.06 | tlarsen | Ivanovic: The issue tracker at http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues is a better way. |
| 18:26.38 | Ivanovic | expect it to be floored with general probs once application and later students tackle the system... |
| 18:26.52 | SRabbelier | Ivanovic: that's no problem |
| 18:26.58 | SRabbelier | Ivanovic: we can filter it :) |
| 18:27.06 | Ivanovic | :) |
| 18:27.20 | summatusmentis | whoa, you guys are making me confused as to which irssi window I'm in |
| 18:27.26 | mlankhorst | lol |
| 18:27.28 | SRabbelier | summatusmentis: how'd we do that? |
| 18:27.34 | mlankhorst | puts summatusmentis in window xp |
| 18:27.36 | summatusmentis | I idle in #melange :) |
| 18:27.50 | SRabbelier | summatusmentis: hehe, :) |
| 18:28.09 | summatusmentis | mlankhorst: oh god! please no! So much blood! |
| 18:28.42 | Lennie|Food | Thanks MatthewWilkes |
| 18:28.58 | summatusmentis | SRabbelier: the plan was originally to help out, but I have absolutely no time |
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| 18:29.09 | SRabbelier | summatusmentis: totally understandable :) |
| 18:29.10 | mlankhorst | puts summatusmentis on NT4 for sparc |
| 18:29.38 | summatusmentis | work over, gotta bail |
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| 20:58.32 | ecin | What's everyone else interested in working on this summer? |
| 20:59.26 | summatusmentis | OpenAFS |
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| 21:01.24 | ecin | googles OpenAFS. |
| 21:01.29 | zounds | Hello |
| 21:01.32 | summatusmentis | hi |
| 21:02.03 | zounds | I've just been reading up on the summer of code thing and saw there was an irc channel so decided to drop by |
| 21:02.13 | summatusmentis | cool |
| 21:03.03 | ecin | summatusmentis: A distributed file system? |
| 21:03.54 | kblin | yeah |
| 21:04.17 | kblin | summatusmentis: A friend of mine has an AFS bug you could fix to get to know the code ;) |
| 21:04.26 | ecin | zounds: Just getting started, or have an idea on what you want to work with? |
| 21:04.52 | summatusmentis | kblin: tell him to submit it to the bugtracker |
| 21:04.55 | summatusmentis | or her |
| 21:05.02 | zounds | no idea really, to be honest I'm not sure my level of skill/knowledge would be up to taking on a project but I am interested |
| 21:05.28 | summatusmentis | kblin: openafs-bugs@openafs.org :-P |
| 21:05.56 | ecin | zounds: Seems to be a common prob with anyone submitting to an open source project. But starting early will surely help your application! |
| 21:06.24 | summatusmentis | absolutely, talk to orgs you might be interested in working with, see what level of skill set they want/need |
| 21:06.27 | summatusmentis | get to know them |
| 21:06.37 | zounds | makes sense, though the mentoring organisations haven't been picked yet. Do they stay much the same from year to year? |
| 21:06.58 | kblin | zounds: more or less, though new ones were added the last years |
| 21:07.01 | summatusmentis | if an org has been a part of multiple past SoCs, it's likely they'll be there again |
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| 21:08.10 | kblin | zounds: given that google has some less money to spend on the program this year, you can't be certain, of course, but as summatusmentis said, the long timers are probably good bets |
| 21:08.31 | thiago_home | you can expect the well-known names to be there |
| 21:08.37 | zounds | hm, right so |
| 21:08.42 | thiago_home | it's the small, unknowns that may be rejected |
| 21:08.53 | thiago_home | while small rising stars should make the cut |
| 21:08.54 | kblin | you don't happen to know C and are interested in networking? |
| 21:09.02 | thiago_home | kblin: I do :-) |
| 21:09.24 | kblin | thiago_home: you're not eligible as a student, I guess ;) |
| 21:09.51 | thiago_home | damn |
| 21:09.53 | zounds | I don't now C, I am interested in networking |
| 21:10.11 | thiago_home | damn, yeah, not been a student for over a year and half now |
| 21:10.22 | summatusmentis | zounds: what languages do you know? |
| 21:10.23 | zounds | I know basic python (self taught) and java (college course) |
| 21:10.28 | summatusmentis | ah |
| 21:11.06 | summatusmentis | kblin: what org are you? |
| 21:11.09 | zounds | I'm a first year CS student so I don't have a great deal of practice with either |
| 21:11.35 | summatusmentis | zounds: I got chosed last summer, after only one year of csci |
| 21:11.54 | summatusmentis | and apparently no english >_> |
| 21:12.02 | kblin | summatusmentis: WorldForge, Wine, Samba |
| 21:12.02 | summatusmentis | I was chosen* |
| 21:12.05 | ecin | Hah. |
| 21:12.06 | zounds | csci? |
| 21:12.12 | ecin | Computer science. |
| 21:12.19 | summatusmentis | CS, computer science, whatever you want to call it |
| 21:12.39 | zounds | ah, C Sci, I was parsing it as a four letter acronym |
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| 21:12.52 | ecin | summatusmentis: you worked on OpenAFS last year as well? |
| 21:12.54 | summatusmentis | kblin: never heard of worldforge |
| 21:12.56 | summatusmentis | ecin: yes |
| 21:13.07 | summatusmentis | oh, OSS mmo |
| 21:15.29 | zounds | what's openAFS for? (I had a quick look at their website but couldn't really tell what the software is good for) |
| 21:16.01 | summatusmentis | it's a distributed network filesystem |
| 21:16.32 | zounds | why would one want one of those? |
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| 21:16.40 | summatusmentis | allows for secure, wan-ready, replicated access to files |
| 21:17.07 | summatusmentis | suppose you're a multinational corporation that needs to have access to certain data at all of it's sites |
| 21:17.47 | summatusmentis | you can have one filesystem running on numerous servers, hosted at different sites |
| 21:18.06 | summatusmentis | but client doesn't see what server they're connected to, where the data originated from, or how they're getting it |
| 21:19.19 | zounds | why's that an advantage? |
| 21:19.27 | zounds | (sorry if I'm pestering) |
| 21:19.42 | summatusmentis | speed, security, fail-safe |
| 21:20.28 | zounds | hm, okay |
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| 21:21.34 | zounds | sounds interesting |
| 21:23.53 | ecin | I'll be happy to find a good project that requires Ruby. |
| 21:24.25 | zounds | your prefered language? |
| 21:24.42 | zounds | I'm not sure I've ever even seen Ruby code |
| 21:25.15 | mlankhorst | neither |
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| 21:26.28 | zounds | looks some up |
| 21:26.58 | kblin | summatusmentis: speed? only on a fast network |
| 21:27.20 | kblin | summatusmentis: I tried OpenAFS at home once, over ADSL.. no fun |
| 21:29.34 | zounds | it looks quite like python, is indentation important for structure or am I just seeing some very tidy ruby? |
| 21:30.49 | ecin | zounds: you're seeing very tidy ruby. |
| 21:31.23 | ecin | zounds: I consider Python and Ruby to be friendly cousins. |
| 21:33.19 | mlankhorst | nfs v4.1 might finally get more speedy though :) |
| 21:34.49 | zounds | ecin: I notice it has the same potential for being a highly over-engineered desktop calculator that python does |
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| 21:35.53 | ecin | zounds: you mean using the command interpreter to do math? I do that all the time. |
| 21:37.06 | thiago_home | uses Alt+F2 in KDE as a desktop calculator |
| 21:37.08 | zounds | ecin: yeah |
| 21:37.36 | zounds | had already pressed Alt+F2 when he remembered he was using gnome |
| 21:37.51 | zounds | what's that do in KDE? |
| 21:40.21 | mlankhorst | wants to say nice things about kde v4.2, but it broke his desktop web comes |
| 21:40.24 | mlankhorst | comics* |
| 21:41.19 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: dude, around? |
| 21:44.28 | dberkholz | mlankhorst: looking forward to the cluster-nfs stuff? |
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| 21:52.23 | thiago_home | Alt+F2 launches krunner (KDE4) or the minicli (KDE3) |
| 21:52.28 | thiago_home | it's the command launcher |
| 21:52.37 | kblin | hmm dunno |
| 21:52.40 | thiago_home | you can type simple math expressions there and it'll calculate for you |
| 21:52.55 | kblin | prefers to use cifs over nfs |
| 21:53.01 | kblin | but I guess I'm biased |
| 21:53.29 | dberkholz | our sgi's can't mount cifs |
| 21:54.16 | kblin | dberkholz: does FUSE work on your platform? |
| 21:54.29 | dberkholz | i don't think anyone ported fuse to irix |
| 21:54.39 | thiago_home | feels dberkholz's pain |
| 21:54.49 | zounds | thiago_home:Ah, it launches something similar in gnome but you can't use it for math |
| 21:54.52 | thiago_home | we dumped 3 IRIX machines last year |
| 21:55.17 | thiago_home | zounds: in KDE 4, you have to write = first (=2+2) |
| 21:55.22 | dberkholz | and we're stuck with a proprietary irix application running a critical, expensive piece of hardware |
| 21:55.35 | thiago_home | getting Git to compile on IRIX was very difficult |
| 21:55.46 | zounds | thiago_home: Still doesn't work |
| 21:55.49 | thiago_home | then it got difficult to run it, because it would fail to fork |
| 21:55.55 | dberkholz | i'm done spending time dealing with irix garbage |
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| 21:56.18 | zounds | ecin: Wondering what Ruby looks like has led to me installing it and working through a tutorial |
| 21:56.37 | ecin | zounds: Not even necessary. tryruby.hobix.com |
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| 21:58.18 | zounds | ecin: hm, cool, too late though, I have it installed |
| 21:59.27 | ecin | zounds: Hope you find it enjoyable. :) #ruby-lang and #ruby are helpful if you come across questions. |
| 21:59.58 | zounds | cool, thanks |
| 22:00.18 | summatusmentis | ajuonline: I am now |
| 22:01.25 | summatusmentis | also, kblin, proximity will increase speed vs. one central fileserver |
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| 22:03.05 | ajuonline | summatusmentis: pm |
| 22:10.41 | kblin | summatusmentis: sure, but I can do that with cifs as well |
| 22:12.50 | spectie | hey all |
| 22:15.35 | summatusmentis | hi spectie |
| 22:15.43 | spectie | hi |
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| 22:16.50 | kblin | summatusmentis: arguably all filesystems are likely to suck over dsl speeds |
| 22:16.55 | summatusmentis | well, yes |
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| 22:17.20 | summatusmentis | I'm not saying AFS is completely the best filesystem |
| 22:17.53 | kblin | it seems to be a decent workhorse.. we're using it at my university |
| 22:18.50 | summatusmentis | I wish my uni was |
| 22:18.56 | mlankhorst | too |
| 22:18.58 | summatusmentis | we use some stupid WebDAV fs |
| 22:20.12 | kblin | anyway, I'm off to bed, neet to get up waaaay too early tomorrow morning |
| 22:21.06 | summatusmentis | a |
| 22:21.08 | summatusmentis | ta* |
| 22:23.40 | lh | kblin: night |
| 22:26.35 | spectie | hey lh!! |
| 22:27.40 | mlankhorst | yeah webdav here too |
| 22:27.44 | mlankhorst | dunno what they use for mounting |
| 22:27.56 | mlankhorst | novell for application installation stuff |
| 22:28.29 | mlankhorst | not a single linux distro available :/ |
| 22:29.28 | summatusmentis | :-/ |
| 22:30.46 | lh | spectie: greetings |
| 22:31.32 | mlankhorst | fortunately astronomy has its own it management |
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| 22:43.45 | scorche | yawns |
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