00:00.23 | scorche|sh | glares at his broken Google pen and wonders why he still uses it |
00:00.25 | dberkholz | man, forwarding my pre-procmail'd gentoo email to gmail really shows me how much spam i get in a day. f |
00:00.33 | dberkholz | 1761 so far |
00:00.46 | lh | scorche|sh: i will give you a new pen at the summit dude |
00:00.48 | lh | promise. |
00:00.55 | scorche|sh | or 2! |
00:03.31 | lh | scorche|sh: for you, a pen that lights up in different colors |
00:03.37 | lh | has to go to earth university shindig |
00:03.45 | lh | be around later |
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04:23.09 | kblin | morning |
04:24.03 | harlan | evenin' |
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04:26.02 | harlan | hey lh |
04:26.18 | lh | harlan: greetings - how are you? |
04:26.19 | summatusmentis | hails lh |
04:26.34 | lh | summatusmentis: hail jake |
04:26.45 | harlan | doing OK thanks! Slowly heading back to the bay area, currently in colorado |
04:26.54 | lh | harlan: if you need a hotel room please just book one, it's no trouble |
04:27.07 | lh | needs to test this melange demo |
04:27.31 | thebolt|away | hi lh |
04:27.51 | harlan | thanks - where will everything be held? I'm driving OK now and can walk several blocks (longer if I pace myself), so I'm hoping coming up form sunnyvale will be easy. |
04:28.56 | lh | harlan: very easy actually. you can follow the shuttle bus in fact. approx. 20 min drive with traffic |
04:29.00 | lh | there won't be much |
04:29.03 | summatusmentis | lh: how is melange coming along? |
04:29.08 | lh | thebolt: greetings marten |
04:29.13 | lh | summatusmentis: unknown, have to check |
04:29.33 | lh | wishes she had more time for this project to do it justice |
04:29.58 | lh | actually |
04:30.00 | lh | here you go |
04:30.01 | lh | https://mail.google.com/a/google.com/#search/pawel/11cf619e904d135f |
04:30.09 | lh | well that was utterly ineffective |
04:30.15 | lh | goes to find list archive |
04:31.03 | lh | corrected link: http://groups.google.com/group/melange-soc-dev/browse_thread/thread/6d2cc9eb66fc7596 |
04:33.27 | kblin | evening lh |
04:33.42 | kblin | EOUTOFMILK |
04:33.47 | kblin | dammit |
04:33.54 | kblin | waits for the store to open |
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04:38.56 | kblin | lh: which building is the mentor summit at? the same the cifs workshop was in? |
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04:41.30 | lh | kblin: no, across the street, building 43, main campus |
04:41.34 | lh | i didn't get to take you there. |
04:41.41 | lh | kblin: it's nicer. |
04:41.59 | harlan | is there a schedule somewhere? Or directions on where to park, etc? |
04:42.33 | lh | harlan: wiki |
04:42.34 | kblin | !mentorsummitwiki |
04:42.34 | socinfo | "mentorsummitwiki" is http://gsoc-mentors-2008.thousandparsec.net/wiki/Main_Page - the password details can be found on the mentor's mailing list |
04:42.40 | lh | it is so all on the wiki |
04:42.44 | lh | i made you a checklist even |
04:43.01 | lh | wonders if checklist has parking info |
04:43.05 | harlan | I;'ll recheck, thanks! I'm not on my normal computer until THursday. |
04:43.15 | lh | suspects it does not |
04:43.17 | kblin | lh: parking via Amphitheatre Pkwy then, I guess |
04:43.17 | lh | harlan: merci |
04:43.23 | lh | kblin: correct. |
04:43.30 | kblin | ok |
04:43.33 | lh | if coming from sunnyvale, best to follow shuttle bus |
04:43.36 | lh | from hotel |
04:43.38 | lh | alternatively |
04:43.45 | lh | take shoreline blvd exit |
04:43.47 | lh | turn right |
04:43.56 | lh | turn left on charleston |
04:43.57 | kblin | not if that's at google at 9 and I need to be there at 8 |
04:44.01 | lh | first right into parking lot |
04:44.03 | lh | park, |
04:44.16 | lh | kblin: i thought you were going with cat? |
04:44.19 | lh | but yes this is true |
04:44.23 | harlan | park at the hotel and take the shuttlebus? |
04:44.24 | kblin | I am? |
04:44.27 | lh | harlan: yes |
04:44.33 | lh | kblin: this can be arranged |
04:44.39 | lh | in fact i think i may have done this already |
04:44.49 | lh | this is why all conversations should be text based |
04:44.50 | Landon | heh |
04:44.53 | Landon | google maps on xkcd |
04:48.17 | kblin | lh: anyway, I've got a car, and I think I can manage. I was just wondering if charleston or amphitheatre was the better access to parking |
04:48.55 | kblin | unless of course someone else has a bigger car and is going to drive anywya |
04:53.11 | kblin | say.. first right on charleston is a big dirt field according to google maps ;) |
04:56.08 | lh | kblin: charleston |
04:56.18 | lh | this is a field next to charleston |
04:56.23 | lh | street view is a bad thing |
04:56.27 | lh | sigh. |
04:56.33 | lh | Landon: link? |
04:57.59 | Landon | lh: http://www.xkcd.com |
04:58.08 | kblin | lh: looking at the sattelite picture |
04:58.16 | kblin | oh, yay |
04:58.32 | kblin | actually, sunnyvale is perfect for the shopping I need to do :) |
04:58.46 | Landon | nerf vulcan? |
04:58.48 | Landon | ;p |
04:58.49 | lh | oh my god. |
04:58.53 | lh | i think it might even be true. |
04:59.07 | lh | goes back to testing melange |
04:59.18 | summatusmentis | is the Vulcan the automatic weapon nerf? |
04:59.31 | Landon | the minigun |
04:59.34 | kblin | Landon: maybe |
04:59.44 | summatusmentis | thos things are frightening |
04:59.49 | Landon | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M61_Vulcan @ summatusmentis |
04:59.52 | Landon | but, with nerf |
04:59.52 | kblin | summatusmentis: oh, yeah |
04:59.55 | Landon | :P |
05:00.06 | summatusmentis | on the newspaper retreat I was just at, one of the kids there had one... :D |
05:00.25 | Landon | heh |
05:00.30 | Landon | we cant keep nerf guns in the dorms |
05:00.31 | kblin | Landon: no. this is a minigun, the nerf is a plain machine gun |
05:00.32 | Landon | so silly |
05:00.33 | Landon | :( |
05:00.51 | Landon | kblin: ah, for shame :( |
05:01.03 | Landon | perhaps I should change my major to mech E or something and design a real nerf minigun |
05:01.27 | kblin | so far, I've got a recon, a longshot and half a suitcase of darts on my shopping list |
05:01.45 | summatusmentis | I bought the little 6-shot revolver |
05:01.56 | kblin | and there's a toysrus right on my way to the googleplex |
05:01.59 | summatusmentis | Landon: we weren't able to either, didn't stop anyone |
05:02.55 | Landon | I'm not sure how serious it is to keep nerf guns here (they were specifically named, heh), but airsoft guns is the same as keeping a real gun in the dorms pretty much |
05:03.16 | summatusmentis | we didn't use them, but we definitely had them |
05:03.50 | Landon | well, applies for having them too |
05:03.52 | Landon | here |
05:03.59 | Landon | using... moreso :P |
05:04.10 | Landon | will be nice to get an apartment next year |
05:05.30 | summatusmentis | lives off campus |
05:05.41 | summatusmentis | oh, speaking of which, I should pay my phone bill |
05:07.10 | Landon | I'd be living in the uni apartments next year if anything |
05:07.32 | summatusmentis | it's cheaper to live off campus for me:) |
05:07.40 | kblin | Landon: and they get to search your rooms to find out if you have nerfs? |
05:08.34 | kblin | wonders what university dorms have to say about swords |
05:08.40 | scorche | i dont think they will allow people into my campus's dorm *without* a nerf gun to protect yourself |
05:09.03 | kblin | speaking of which, where's my wd40? |
05:10.13 | Landon | kblin: well, yes |
05:10.16 | Landon | pretty much |
05:10.27 | kblin | whoa |
05:10.30 | Landon | you get notices once in a while that maintenance will come and inspect your rooms |
05:10.36 | Landon | and they'll write down offenses |
05:10.45 | Landon | like a friend got a fine last year for an unlit candle |
05:10.53 | Landon | I think swords are a bad deal too |
05:10.57 | kblin | how gestapo is that? |
05:11.03 | Landon | well |
05:11.09 | Landon | its not exactly *anytime* |
05:11.12 | Landon | mostly around breaks |
05:11.31 | Landon | so I guess you could hide it in your car until then but you'd still have to sneak it out to the parking lot which is a ways :) |
05:11.57 | kblin | that'd be completely and utterly illegal in germany |
05:12.15 | kblin | searching your rooms, not hiding your sword in your car |
05:12.35 | Landon | well, we pay them for the convenience here :\ |
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05:13.16 | kblin | my sword is a piece of my sport equipment... |
05:13.18 | Landon | which is why I'm a little anxious about anyone flipping out if I get a few packages from LAPoliceGear :p |
05:13.27 | Landon | heh, so is my airsoft gun ;) |
05:13.45 | Landon | it's an official university team, they'll fund us if there are games we want to go to |
05:14.16 | kblin | but you need to leave your equipment in your locker? |
05:14.46 | kblin | "sorry, buddy, but tennis rackets aren't allowed in the dorm" |
05:16.05 | Landon | we have to leave it offcampus |
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05:16.52 | kblin | my girlfriend used to take her sword to class the days after training before we moved together |
05:17.02 | Landon | hehe |
05:17.06 | Landon | sticking out of her backpack? |
05:17.14 | Landon | is this fencing or other? |
05:17.20 | kblin | slung over her shoulder |
05:18.27 | kblin | stage combat. we're using one-and-a-half hand swords as used in 15th century europe |
05:18.36 | summatusmentis | kblin: I need to meet more girls with swords |
05:18.49 | summatusmentis | or get my girlfriend into swords |
05:18.52 | lh | summatusmentis: you clearly have good taste |
05:19.07 | Landon | kblin: ah |
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05:19.11 | kblin | summatusmentis: bring your girlfriend when shopping swords |
05:19.19 | Landon | lh: and airsoft isn't good taste? :P |
05:19.32 | summatusmentis | kblin: She'd just roll her eyes |
05:19.42 | summatusmentis | also, wouldn't know what to shop for :) |
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05:20.03 | summatusmentis | lh: I like to think I have good taste. 1 year as of... 19 minutes ago |
05:21.15 | kblin | summatusmentis: well, granted, both of us had been doing stage combat for over a year at that point |
05:21.35 | summatusmentis | ah, yeah, that'd make sense |
05:22.46 | Landon | where do you go shopping for swords? |
05:22.49 | Landon | o.O |
05:23.02 | kblin | we went to prague :) |
05:23.07 | Landon | ah |
05:23.27 | kblin | but medieval festivals usually are a good place, as well |
05:24.09 | kblin | I wouldn't buy a sword online, there's so many things you can't tell from a picture |
05:25.07 | kblin | anyway, the store opened, so I can get some stuff for breakfast now |
05:25.09 | kblin | bbl |
05:25.59 | summatusmentis | bai kblin |
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05:34.08 | lh | gets steev to see what time it is for pawel |
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05:34.18 | scorche | not andy? |
05:34.19 | lh | steev has no battery |
05:34.20 | lh | sigh |
05:34.31 | lh | scorche: andy lacks this application. otherwise, steev would be on ebay. |
05:34.48 | scorche | no world clock at all?! |
05:34.55 | scorche | that wont take long to fix |
05:35.07 | lh | scorche: if it's in there, i haven't found it. i also have not looked that hard, i have steev. |
05:35.19 | danderson | grr, why is rsync copying over all files and not just new ones |
05:35.24 | summatusmentis | lh: did you like steev before you met andy? |
05:35.57 | scorche | summatusmentis: it was her steev...what do you think? ;) |
05:35.58 | lh | summatusmentis: at first i really loved steev. he was so new and shiny. very shiny. |
05:36.03 | lh | i have a problem with shiny things |
05:36.15 | scorche | very very shiny |
05:36.17 | lh | then after a while, steev began to not behave as well. |
05:36.21 | lh | form factor too small, too easy to drop |
05:36.33 | scorche | lh: you need to keep your steevs in line |
05:36.39 | danderson | wins at explaining to rsync how to rsync photos |
05:36.39 | lh | you have to lay on screen to make speaker phone call hands free |
05:36.47 | lh | the list of things to complain about mounted |
05:36.54 | lh | we were seeing each other less and less |
05:36.54 | danderson | so now it "only" has 400 new photos to transfer |
05:36.58 | danderson | instead of all 900 |
05:36.59 | danderson | sigh |
05:37.01 | lh | then i had to replace little steev |
05:37.17 | lh | and now new little steev wants to rewrite all of steev's music |
05:37.26 | lh | and i'm just annoyed and buying all music on andy from now on. |
05:37.28 | lh | so there. |
05:37.38 | scorche | wouldnt keep music on his steev if he had one |
05:37.46 | scorche | had oodles of DAPs for that |
05:37.49 | scorche | has |
05:37.55 | lh | scorche: ok, ok, i get the point. |
05:38.05 | lh | i also don't have tons of machines laying around either. |
05:38.10 | summatusmentis | lh: were steves issues phone related? or overal interface? |
05:38.18 | danderson | has a NAS, and a laptop, and a really really dumb mp3/ogg vorbis player with usb mass storage |
05:38.25 | scorche | you could get a DAP!...and use rockbox! ;) |
05:38.28 | lh | summatusmentis: phone also does not hold up well to intense lifestyle, it's delicate. |
05:38.41 | danderson | the nas and laptop have synced copies of my music, and le player just gets what I feel like listening to on the road |
05:38.46 | lh | thus far andy has not been tested on international travel scene, but wait |
05:38.53 | lh | steev constantly sucked while traveling |
05:38.54 | danderson | keeps talking to himself, decides to blog instead |
05:38.56 | lh | data plan never worked right |
05:38.57 | dberkholz | i'm a little confused about all these names |
05:39.00 | dberkholz | who's steev? |
05:39.07 | scorche | iphone |
05:39.08 | lh | danderson: hi darling, sorry i was bitching about steev |
05:39.14 | dberkholz | also, anyone want to find me a good postdoc fellowship? |
05:39.17 | lh | danderson: how are you? |
05:39.23 | lh | and why is rsync being mean to you |
05:39.29 | danderson | lh: hi, steev is evil and the reality distortion field generator in yours is broken |
05:39.31 | lh | dberkholz: define good postdoc fellowship |
05:39.37 | lh | danderson: correct. |
05:39.48 | dberkholz | in other words, i'm looking for someone to give me $100K-$150K to try curing a few diseases for 2-3 years |
05:39.53 | danderson | I'm fine, spent a day on an LOTR tour |
05:40.06 | lh | danderson: when i find a world clock app steev and i are no longer seeing each other. i am just using him so i don't have to frequently access timeanddate.com which is a useful but ugly website |
05:40.07 | dberkholz | lh: see above. =) |
05:40.13 | danderson | any day in which you get to swing Theoden's sword around is good |
05:40.16 | lh | dberkholz: which diseases would these be? |
05:40.26 | dberkholz | neuromuscular degeneration |
05:40.33 | lh | danderson: where do i find this sword? and is that from 13th warrior? |
05:40.40 | summatusmentis | lh: so you think steev's kid brother who hasn't yet developed his phone capabilities would be a bad person to start seeing? |
05:40.52 | lh | i now think i am about to feel incredibly stupid |
05:40.56 | danderson | lh: if you want a vintage one, they can't be found anymore |
05:40.57 | dberkholz | along the lines of lou gehrig's disease, and somewhat more obscure but related ones |
05:41.10 | lh | summatusmentis: i think you should stay entirely out of steev's territory. |
05:41.12 | danderson | the one I messed with was insured for NZ$2000 |
05:41.31 | lh | steev is the middle one now. big steev is the oldest and little steev is the youngest. |
05:41.36 | danderson | lh: and it's this sword here: http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f398/dlowsi/theoden-1.jpg |
05:41.41 | lh | danderson: omg. |
05:41.41 | dberkholz | lh: does google have any interest in funding open-access research? =) |
05:41.47 | danderson | the sword of Theoden king in lotr |
05:41.48 | summatusmentis | lh: but... steev's kid brother is so pretty! |
05:42.03 | lh | dberkholz: google for google university research |
05:42.07 | lh | danderson: i want!!! |
05:42.08 | danderson | I also got to play with Anduril (the flame of the west, king aragorn's reforged sword) |
05:42.17 | lh | summatusmentis: who is steev's kid brother |
05:42.23 | lh | btw, so far, melange does not suck |
05:42.24 | summatusmentis | iPod Touch |
05:42.31 | summatusmentis | steev w/out the tphone |
05:42.42 | danderson | also with bilbo's Sting, also the swords of Eowyn, Legolas, Aragorn's hunting knife, and Gimli's double headed axe |
05:42.42 | summatusmentis | I tried to be as clear as possible :) |
05:42.45 | danderson | it was awesome |
05:42.47 | dberkholz | ok, i see high-volume programmatic access to google research |
05:42.55 | lh | summatusmentis: oh that thing. that roller wheel clickety whatever thing just always annoys the crap out of me. |
05:42.57 | dberkholz | google search* |
05:43.12 | lh | dberkholz: what in the heck does that even mean? |
05:43.18 | summatusmentis | my old iPod is dying, I need a new one |
05:43.20 | dberkholz | oh, and faculty research awards |
05:43.21 | danderson | lh: apparently in the US you can get these for about $100 a piece |
05:43.23 | lh | summatusmentis: dont |
05:43.30 | lh | danderson: you can wha? |
05:43.37 | danderson | reproductions, of course, handmade in taiwan under license from weta workshops |
05:43.40 | lh | can i get legolas and how much does he cost? |
05:43.45 | danderson | lh: the swords of lord of the rings |
05:43.46 | dberkholz | lh: i guess people who want to do systematic searches in the thousands or higher, and don't have the money for a grad student to do 'em =) |
05:43.47 | danderson | not legolas |
05:43.56 | danderson | I suspect cloning laws are hampering that one |
05:44.07 | scorche | summatusmentis: lots of better devices out there besides ipods.. |
05:44.08 | lh | danderson: 1) that is extremely disappointing news. 2) i would rather have one direct from weta. |
05:44.25 | danderson | the ones direct from weta no longer exist |
05:44.25 | summatusmentis | scorche: the issue is I want the web tablet portion aslo |
05:44.27 | dberkholz | i still get google recruiters emailing me asking if i want to do an internship |
05:44.27 | summatusmentis | also* |
05:44.31 | danderson | either weta still has them and isn't getting rid of them |
05:44.37 | dberkholz | c'mon, guys. you're about 5 years too late on that boat |
05:44.40 | danderson | or they're in private collections and will never move |
05:44.55 | danderson | but the reproductions are good |
05:45.00 | danderson | it's not fair to call them reproductions in fact |
05:45.14 | danderson | all the swords in LOTR were reproductions from a single master sword |
05:45.28 | danderson | this is exactly the same. They are real swords, sharp and well balanced |
05:45.39 | summatusmentis | scorche: looking to replace my 2 devices (nokia n810 and iPod) with one |
05:45.45 | Catfish_Man | I thought you had to collect the three pendants to get the master sword |
05:45.49 | danderson | only annoying thing is a little "Lord of the rings - made in Taiwan" stamp on them :( |
05:45.56 | dberkholz | hmm. i wonder if they'd let me apply for a faculty research award. |
05:46.19 | dberkholz | they say they're interested in health, so i guess there's some possibility |
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05:47.24 | dberkholz | i need to come up with someone who would be a fairly relevant primary contact at google. |
05:48.40 | codestr0m | I'm looking for patches of work from a student who completed a project I think in 07.. where would the patches be.. are they mirrored by google or only kept with the project? |
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05:49.51 | dberkholz | they should've been uploaded |
05:49.55 | dberkholz | to google |
05:50.06 | dberkholz | i'm too ignorant to know where exactly |
05:50.34 | dberkholz | lh: do you happen to know the vp for research? |
05:50.38 | codestr0m | dberkholz: I've been looking, but can't find the are to search. it was for opensolaris removing libc encumbered bits. I can probably find more details |
05:51.13 | codestr0m | dberkholz: I know some people who work at goog (specifically in the HPC area or you're interested in something else?) |
05:52.00 | dberkholz | codestr0m: i need specifically the VP for research. the final word on external research funding |
05:52.16 | summatusmentis | http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code-2007-opensolaris/downloads/list |
05:52.39 | summatusmentis | codestr0m: ^^^ |
05:52.39 | codestr0m | summatusmentis: super! |
05:52.40 | dberkholz | sweet -- "The requested URL /p/google-summer-of-code-2006-opsol/ was not found on this server." |
05:53.27 | summatusmentis | codestr0m: neither of those two lok like what you were asking for, but you'd know better than I |
05:53.33 | summatusmentis | look* |
05:53.40 | codestr0m | summatusmentis: it's exactly what I wanted I think |
05:54.02 | summatusmentis | glad to be of service :) |
05:54.08 | summatusmentis | just don't look up mine >_> |
05:54.09 | dberkholz | kyron: when are you going to finish that summary writeup we've been talking about? |
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05:56.31 | lh | i hate the wifi here |
05:57.38 | summatusmentis | wifi is annoying, truth |
05:57.50 | dberkholz | apparently wpa is now useless, thanks to gpgpu |
05:58.03 | dberkholz | everyone, open your networks |
05:58.15 | lh | this is clearly the universe's way of telling me to turn in early. i accede. |
05:58.17 | summatusmentis | awesome :( I wish I knew more about crypto |
05:58.24 | dberkholz | 11 is early? |
05:58.26 | lh | agrees with dberkholz |
05:58.30 | Catfish_Man | g'night lh |
05:58.31 | lh | dberkholz: yes. |
05:58.34 | lh | Catfish_Man: night |
05:58.34 | summatusmentis | sleep well lh |
05:58.34 | Ivanovic | 8am *IS* early... |
05:58.36 | Ivanovic | ;) |
05:58.39 | lh | summatusmentis: thank you |
05:58.43 | dberkholz | good night girly |
05:58.49 | lh | dberkholz: pardon me? |
05:58.59 | lh | not ok. |
05:58.59 | summatusmentis | ugh... I've apparently been recommended as a tutor for a scheme class :-[ |
05:59.03 | lh | good night all |
05:59.05 | dberkholz | ok |
05:59.09 | dberkholz | sorry then |
05:59.12 | kblin | night lh |
06:00.02 | kblin | dberkholz: hm? gpgpu? |
06:00.19 | summatusmentis | crypto on GPUs |
06:00.21 | dberkholz | general purpose computing on your video card |
06:00.41 | kblin | yeah, and how does that make WPA useless? |
06:00.46 | danderson | it doesn't |
06:00.53 | dberkholz | you can brute-force crack in a couple hours |
06:00.53 | danderson | it scales dictionary attacks on WPA-PSK 100x |
06:01.02 | danderson | making large scale distributed dictionary attacks feasible |
06:01.15 | danderson | but it doesn't have a thing on randomly generated pre-shared keys |
06:01.27 | danderson | and nothing at all on proper authenticated WPA |
06:01.58 | danderson | the search space is still several times longer than the life of the universe |
06:02.01 | kblin | from a cryptology point of view, nothing changed then.. |
06:02.11 | danderson | but if you assume the key is vulnerable to a dictionary attack |
06:02.19 | danderson | it'll take only 2 hours, instead of 5 days, to crack |
06:02.19 | summatusmentis | look at me, I'm danderson, I know everything :-P |
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06:02.33 | kblin | you'll just get caught if you use "god" as password... |
06:02.35 | kblin | great |
06:02.43 | danderson | so it's a pretty impressive feat, and only emphasizes good security practices |
06:03.03 | danderson | do as that Schneier quip says |
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06:03.59 | danderson | Most people use passwords. Some people use passphrases. Bruce Schneier uses an epic passpoem, detailing the life and works of seven mythical Norse heroes. |
06:04.19 | Catfish_Man | my brother used an entire verse of a German song for a while |
06:04.41 | dberkholz | that would be much cooler as 7 mythical Norris stories |
06:05.14 | danderson | uses a passphrase related to the name of his access point |
06:05.24 | summatusmentis | uses password |
06:05.26 | danderson | I figure if someone can figure it out, they've earned a little free internets |
06:05.29 | summatusmentis | >> |
06:05.41 | danderson | and a beer for knowing their Douglas Adams |
06:05.41 | kblin | dberkholz: the norris stories are too similar, and repetition is the enemy of the cryptologist |
06:05.46 | danderson | (access point is 'dontpanic') |
06:05.59 | kblin | the friend of the cryptanalyst of course |
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06:06.36 | kblin | but even if it just takes two hours to hack my access point, there's still a very good legal reason _not- |
06:06.41 | kblin | to turn crypto off here |
06:06.55 | dberkholz | all i've got on mine is a mac filter |
06:07.07 | dberkholz | it's enough to say "i'd rather you weren't here" |
06:07.54 | danderson | I have WPA, but mostly only because the location of the access point doesn't let any passerby legitimately use it |
06:08.06 | danderson | dberkholz: and to say "Please sniff my passwords" ? |
06:08.10 | kblin | dunno, a passphrase is easier to explain to a judge |
06:08.46 | danderson | dsniff plugged into a trace of the chatter on a filtered AP is quite fun |
06:08.52 | danderson | "Ooh, there goes a POP3 password!" |
06:08.55 | dberkholz | mutters something about secure protocols |
06:09.05 | danderson | one word: cookies |
06:09.30 | danderson | all the https in the world won't stop me stealing your google identity cookie and logging in as you :) |
06:09.56 | danderson | it only takes one unencrypted page on that domain.. |
06:10.22 | kblin | you just proved http is evil.. so what? :) |
06:10.48 | kblin | kudos for the canonical folks to do make launchpad https-only |
06:11.08 | danderson | nope, I just proved that it's really easy to fuck up on a public access point if you're not careful |
06:11.27 | danderson | I'll use them if I have to, but I ssh -D and socks through my dedicated server :) |
06:11.37 | kblin | basically, your best option is... yeah, vpn |
06:11.54 | danderson | yeah, I need to get openvpn set up again |
06:12.06 | kblin | same here |
06:12.12 | danderson | especially one running in http mode |
06:12.21 | danderson | so that I can hang it off :443 on my secondary IP |
06:12.24 | summatusmentis | 'night all |
06:12.30 | kblin | I should look into this before leaving to the mentor summit |
06:12.34 | danderson | and get through proxies |
06:12.51 | kblin | shrugs |
06:13.00 | danderson | what I really want is a turnkey solution for properly handling VPN accounts |
06:13.10 | danderson | I saw an interface like that in a commercial firewall once |
06:13.16 | dberkholz | eh, google docs has revision control anyway. i don't care if you get my cookie |
06:13.19 | danderson | you ssh into it as an admin, authenticate |
06:13.20 | kblin | if I was running a mandatory proxy, I'd use a https breaker |
06:13.24 | danderson | it asks questions about the new user |
06:13.35 | danderson | and spits out a tarball containing all certificates, configurations, installers... |
06:13.44 | danderson | unpack it, run the installers, boom, it works |
06:13.57 | danderson | kblin: openvpn does that :) |
06:14.04 | danderson | it has a proxy passing mode |
06:14.31 | danderson | not the most efficient though, you'll want a second openvpn running over UDP for better latency/throughput behavior |
06:14.48 | kblin | danderson: no. an https breaker will do the real https handshake with the target server and with the client and man-in-the-middle |
06:15.06 | kblin | and as openvpn doesn't really do an https handshake, it'll fail |
06:15.13 | danderson | tunelling reliable TCP over unreliable IP over reliable TCP really mucks up the window algorithms |
06:15.29 | danderson | kblin: hmm, it doesn't do an https handshae? |
06:15.43 | danderson | it does use SSL for the session initiation, I thought |
06:15.59 | danderson | which would be indistinguishable from an https handshake |
06:16.08 | danderson | and openvpn would refuse to connect if the certificate doesn't check out |
06:16.15 | danderson | (unless you're stupid and disable it) |
06:16.36 | danderson | anyway :) |
06:17.18 | kblin | danderson: but it doesn't do an https handshake the way a browser does |
06:17.42 | danderson | but, an https handshake starts with SSL initiation and certificate exchange |
06:17.59 | kblin | at least wireshark will show it as using "SSL continuation data" |
06:18.02 | danderson | and after that, unless you MITM (in which case the server cert doesn't check out), it's all ciphertext |
06:18.21 | kblin | right from the start |
06:18.48 | danderson | I mean, I don't see how you can figure that the tunelled protocol is not http |
06:18.57 | danderson | unless you can mitm, which is trivially detected by openvpn |
06:19.07 | kblin | not one the tunnel is established |
06:19.23 | danderson | um? |
06:19.36 | kblin | the trick is to use a https breaker coupled to your IDS |
06:19.39 | danderson | it keeps going through the same connection as SSL, afaik? |
06:19.59 | danderson | the way an IDS could detect it is by measuring the duration of a connection |
06:20.10 | danderson | even with epic keepalive, a 2min http connection is suspect |
06:20.15 | kblin | no, you can do better.. |
06:20.33 | kblin | e.g. skype so far doesn't send certs in it's "SSL handshake" |
06:20.43 | danderson | yeah, so skype you can screw |
06:20.54 | danderson | I'm talking about openvpn :) |
06:21.06 | kblin | and openvpn doesn't use the same packets as your browser when setting up SSL |
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06:21.37 | kblin | meaning the https breaker will fail |
06:22.04 | kblin | and you set up your IDS to kill all traffic that you can't MITM |
06:22.45 | danderson | okay, so you're assuming you have the fake certificate installed and accepted on client machines |
06:22.50 | kblin | your legitimate clients will have the https breaker's CA cert set up, so users won't even noticed |
06:22.59 | danderson | and even then, firefox would complain about domain name mismatches |
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06:23.53 | kblin | how so? you generate on-the-fly certs for the sites you intercept the connection for |
06:25.09 | kblin | anyway, my point is that unless you go that extra mile to control ssl traffic, you might as well not use a mandatory proxy |
06:25.44 | danderson | ugh, and that's how you end up with a 16 core firewall that still takes 30s to establish a connection |
06:25.53 | danderson | SSL certs suck to generate |
06:26.13 | danderson | but I agree on the principle, yes. If you let CONNECT through the proxy, there's no point in proxying |
06:26.37 | danderson | well, except caching of popular data and so forth |
06:26.43 | danderson | but no security |
06:26.59 | kblin | I used to run a ppp-over-ssh-over-ssl tunnel back in 2002 when I was in military service |
06:27.20 | danderson | ouch |
06:27.28 | kblin | it was sucky, but dealt with the lousy proxy best |
06:27.45 | danderson | not just ssh over ssl with socks for http? |
06:28.10 | danderson | it's not a full VPN, but it gets you shell and http trivially, and other stream protocols with a socks wrapper |
06:28.15 | kblin | danderson: I needed to open a way in for my boss to vnc to serves |
06:28.25 | kblin | *servers |
06:28.26 | danderson | ah. |
06:28.29 | kblin | windwos NT boxes |
06:28.33 | danderson | yeah, then ppp |
06:29.28 | kblin | it sucked, but at that point my boss had been forced to drive to the hospital and walk into the server room to restart a db app we had that would crash once in a while |
06:30.05 | kblin | and the hospital's IT dept had promised to set up vpn access for him years ago, and nothing had happened |
06:30.24 | kblin | so he told me to see if I "couldn't do anything about that" |
06:31.13 | kblin | funny business, of course |
06:31.36 | kblin | when I started, I had to sign a piece of paper stating I wouldn't try to circumvent the fire wall |
06:32.04 | kblin | but it's military service, so an order is an order. |
06:32.51 | danderson | heh |
06:33.19 | danderson | choice between disobeying an order and making the firewall people unhappy, eh? |
06:33.33 | danderson | (I assume the net was provided by some service company, not the military directly) |
06:34.17 | kblin | I was doing the civilian equivalent of military service, so I was at a hospital, not in the military |
06:34.57 | kblin | but the laws governing that were created from the military service regulations by doing search/replace |
06:35.30 | danderson | oh, ok |
06:35.44 | danderson | so military-like regulations vs. hospital IT policy |
06:36.05 | kblin | and the IT dept couldn't find their own nose with the help of a mirror |
06:36.12 | danderson | heh |
06:37.31 | kblin | rumor has it that they used to have good people work there once, but during the dotcom boom everybody who could find the any key left to get better pay in industry |
06:38.05 | danderson | classic story of the regular "boring" IT dept with nothing fun to do |
06:38.24 | kblin | I had to walk their "UNIX specialist" through creating nfs exports on IRIX using my linux man page |
06:39.05 | kblin | I can sympathize to a degree |
06:40.19 | kblin | I sometimes wonder if tech support is worse with tech-savvy users or with totally clueless users |
06:40.34 | kblin | our MDs were in the latter category |
06:42.03 | kblin | seems like part of the examns on becoming a surgeon is a self-lobotomy of the parts of the brain that contain computer knowledge |
06:44.42 | Catfish_Man | totally clueless users are fine in my experience |
06:44.50 | Catfish_Man | they don't try to claim they know what they're doing |
06:44.53 | Catfish_Man | and they're so greatful |
06:45.02 | Catfish_Man | *grateful |
06:45.51 | kblin | true |
06:46.16 | Catfish_Man | also some of my clients would make me tea :) |
06:49.07 | kblin | hmm |
06:50.10 | kblin | I don't know the name for the place in english, but there was one dept that mostly dealt with elderly people, and the nurses there always had lots of chocolate they'd share :) |
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06:58.07 | kblin | hm, this time I should actually take the directions to the hotel with me.. |
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07:12.31 | mlankhorst | Morning. |
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07:16.51 | kblin | morning mlankhorst |
07:18.16 | kblin | yay, my email client is at -1% of syncing my mails |
07:26.52 | mlankhorst | Damn those preparations |
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08:39.18 | MatthewWilkes | moin |
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09:52.21 | kblin | hm, I guess I need to rethink my network layout at home |
09:53.18 | kblin | that's going to be fun |
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10:53.06 | araujo | morning |
10:53.36 | AJuOnLiNE|zZz | i think i need to re-think my brain layout |
10:53.47 | AJuOnLiNE|zZz | just talking out loud |
10:53.49 | AJuOnLiNE|zZz | :-/ |
10:56.46 | scorche | kblin: why so? |
10:57.59 | waldi | yeah, the connection with the backup server broken last night |
11:04.55 | kblin | scorche: I slapped on some more subnets last time I played with AD by just opening up the netmask a little. but now I want to add a vpn subnet, and the current config will make routing messy |
11:05.15 | scorche | ah |
11:05.21 | scorche | which router do you ahve at home? |
11:07.48 | kblin | it's an asus wireless ap dsl modem |
11:07.55 | kblin | nothing fancy |
11:08.49 | kblin | nothing that can support the setups I'm currently playing with, either |
11:09.01 | kblin | hehe |
11:09.02 | kblin | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/09/the_pentagons_w.html |
11:09.22 | kblin | so they _are_ playing wow in the us gov't |
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13:13.45 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | .o/ |
13:16.16 | thebolt | hi |
13:16.50 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | thebolt: hi.. |
13:16.55 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | how are you doing ? |
13:19.26 | kyron | dberkholz: as I said, I am rebuilding my dead cluster (today actually, we finally have all the hardware) and the writing comes with the rebuilding. |
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13:20.07 | kyron | and hey!...since when do you have interest in GPGPU processing... :P any ATI version of CUDA? :P |
13:20.47 | thebolt | AJuOnLiNE|sh: dead tired after 2½ hours of judo practice.. and homework to finish |
13:20.49 | thebolt | and you? |
13:20.53 | thebolt | kyron: CTM |
13:21.49 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | thebolt: i wish i could judo too :P i am trying to decide how do I finish 3 tasks who have all deadlines on friday. |
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13:24.13 | mlankhorst | AJuOnLiNE|sh: CFQ scheduling :) |
13:25.07 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | mlankhorst: you think i have time to figure out what that is :P |
13:25.45 | kyron | thebolt: ? CTM |
13:26.44 | kyron | mlankhorst: CFQ == source of contention and cesession in kernel dev iirc :P |
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13:27.29 | kyron | thebolt: yeah, goog told me what CTM is. ;) |
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13:35.50 | kyron | thebolt: CTM seems much closer to hardware compared to CUDA (less abstraction, more ASM-ish + hardware considerations) |
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13:39.14 | thebolt | kyron: yes |
13:39.21 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | nirbheek: whats up ? |
13:39.49 | nirbheek | AJuOnLiNE|sh, headache! :p |
13:40.12 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | nirbheek: heard there were blasts? |
13:40.19 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | *again* |
13:40.20 | nirbheek | AJuOnLiNE|sh, false news :p |
13:40.26 | nirbheek | That was a box of firecrackers |
13:40.27 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | ok |
13:40.44 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | fssk them |
13:40.51 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | who spread the rumours then |
13:41.04 | nirbheek | No rumours |
13:41.10 | nirbheek | Everyone thought it was a bomb |
13:41.40 | nirbheek | Then it turned out it wasn't; the blast was large enough to be a bomb, but the explosives used were firecracker quality |
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13:42.08 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | injuries? |
13:42.09 | thebolt | kyron: well,m what do you expect with that name ? :) |
13:42.30 | nirbheek | AJuOnLiNE|sh, serious, but atleast it was an accident |
13:42.37 | kyron | thebolt: dunno, is CUDA a better name? |
13:43.12 | kyron | CUAD seems to be generations ahead of CTM |
13:43.43 | thebolt | kyron: i just meant CTM= Close To Metal.. of course it will be close to hardware ;) |
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13:45.08 | kyron | thebolt: good point, I didn't even bother looking up the acronym |
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13:57.50 | kblin | pff, great |
13:58.22 | kblin | I'm invited to give two of my LCA talks at the gaming miniconf |
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13:59.53 | kyron | kblin: btw, to close the loop, Nvidia's CUDA stuff is well packed and trivial to get working on any distro (as opposed to Intel's packages which are convoluted and hackerish) |
14:06.40 | kblin | shrugs |
14:06.58 | kblin | I haven't been running gentoo boxes in ages |
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14:55.13 | r0bby | lh: o/ |
14:55.27 | r0bby | I didn't notice you ping me til this morning when i looked |
14:55.31 | r0bby | what'd you need? |
14:55.44 | lh | r0bby: all good. what happened with your visit and your boy? you were lamenting |
14:56.02 | r0bby | Oh just the 1 month thing |
14:56.16 | r0bby | :) |
14:56.42 | lh | what does this mean? you were saying you did not get to visit his family or something i thought |
14:58.29 | r0bby | oh that was seperate |
14:58.39 | r0bby | that was sundat |
14:58.41 | r0bby | sdunday |
14:58.42 | r0bby | sunday \ |
14:59.36 | r0bby | http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/political-pictures-barack-obama-negotiates-terriors.jpg |
15:00.35 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | \o. |
15:01.49 | r0bby | AJuOnLiNE|sh: o/ |
15:01.56 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | elo r0bby |
15:02.10 | MatthewWilkes | lh! |
15:02.12 | r0bby | \o o/ \o |
15:02.18 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | lh: good day :) |
15:02.19 | r0bby | does the dance |
15:02.26 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | joins in |
15:02.45 | lh | AJuOnLiNE|sh: hello my dear |
15:02.51 | lh | dances too |
15:03.02 | lh | MatthewWilkes: good afternoon dear |
15:03.08 | lh | assumes MatthewWilkes is back in the UK |
15:03.25 | r0bby | does the lh dance |
15:03.31 | MatthewWilkes | I am, I got back on monday afternoon. 2nd day back at work now |
15:03.31 | r0bby | which can get quite disturbing |
15:03.41 | summatusmentis | stands awkwardly against the wall, reminscing about middle school |
15:03.46 | r0bby | sighs |
15:03.47 | MatthewWilkes | still fielding angry lecturers asking why I missed 5 days of uni |
15:04.06 | lh | summatusmentis: you can totally come and dance - no one here knows how to do it properly either |
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15:04.23 | r0bby | summatusmentis: I have video of me dancing |
15:04.25 | lh | MatthewWilkes: can i write you a nice note? |
15:04.30 | summatusmentis | lh: that's a bad idea :P |
15:04.30 | r0bby | and to say the least, I'll never live it down. |
15:04.51 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | BarryCarlyon: aiYo! |
15:04.54 | r0bby | (My cousin's wedding, scary part is: I WAS SOBER!) |
15:05.06 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Nah, I was "ill". Just got to break the news about the summit to them! |
15:05.08 | lh | summatusmentis: it's not though. really. endorphins are good for you |
15:05.19 | jmb | !orgsbycat |
15:05.20 | socinfo | Error: "orgsbycat" is not a valid command. |
15:05.22 | lh | MatthewWilkes: would you like a lovely invitation on tasty google letterhead? |
15:05.22 | jmb | bah |
15:05.25 | jmb | brain fail |
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15:05.32 | jmb | !orgbycat |
15:05.33 | socinfo | "orgbycat" is http://genmapp.org/gsoc/mentors_by_category.htm |
15:05.36 | jmb | vetter |
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15:05.39 | jmb | s/v/b/ |
15:05.47 | jmb | fingers, too, by the looks of things |
15:05.52 | summatusmentis | ooh... letterhead |
15:05.56 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Hmm, that's an idea. Would you mind? |
15:07.18 | lh | not at all |
15:07.34 | lh | do you want to use the standard template or would you like one where i fawn over how awesome you are? |
15:07.39 | lh | both will be suitable for framing |
15:07.44 | r0bby | fawn over how awesome he is! |
15:07.52 | lh | r0bby: that is up to MatthewWilkes |
15:07.54 | r0bby | MatthewWilkes: i'm deciding for you! |
15:07.59 | lh | r0bby: be good. |
15:08.03 | r0bby | I am! |
15:08.07 | r0bby | is an angel |
15:08.15 | lh | checks angel list |
15:08.16 | r0bby | halo >> O:-) |
15:08.25 | lh | ah right here, fallen angels.... hrm..... |
15:08.36 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | passes on the devils list to lh |
15:08.38 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | check on that |
15:08.51 | r0bby | }=) |
15:09.00 | r0bby | snickers and swipes AJuOnLiNE|sh's wallet |
15:09.04 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Put that way I couldn't possibly accept anything but the template ;) |
15:09.12 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | r0bby: i am broke atm |
15:09.27 | summatusmentis | hey, me too |
15:09.43 | lh | AJuOnLiNE|sh: that would be the fallen angels list. devil = fallen angel. or so sayeth the christians. |
15:09.52 | lh | MatthewWilkes: okay, for you i will fill in the template myself |
15:10.10 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | ah.. i dint know that. but wahtever serves the purpose ;) |
15:10.11 | lh | MatthewWilkes: dude if i were you i would have taken the fawning. how often do you get that offer/ |
15:10.19 | summatusmentis | they're wrong anyway :-P |
15:10.30 | MatthewWilkes | lh: British. Apologise to busses, remember? |
15:10.30 | lh | summatusmentis: possibly. i have no conclusive evidence. |
15:10.31 | r0bby | to get good or not to get food |
15:10.39 | MatthewWilkes | 'buses* |
15:10.42 | lh | r0bby: get good. you get crazy when you don't eat |
15:10.47 | lh | MatthewWilkes: i do recall that yes. |
15:10.51 | lh | s/good/food |
15:10.59 | r0bby | food* |
15:11.18 | r0bby | actually, scott saw me when i dont eat |
15:11.20 | r0bby | :> |
15:11.24 | summatusmentis | lh: science isn't enough? |
15:11.37 | r0bby | I get a tad moody -- usually just kind of uhm negative |
15:11.40 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | i think i need some help on my resume. and how to put it up on my webpage :-s |
15:11.50 | MatthewWilkes | lh: You're making me regret picking the template now ;) |
15:11.57 | lh | summatusmentis: not really. science changes with every funeral. can |
15:12.01 | lh | s/can/can't |
15:12.04 | lh | we just have an idea? |
15:12.13 | lh | MatthewWilkes: i am going to spice up the template for you. |
15:12.22 | lh | goes to find coffee then write a letter for matthew wilkes |
15:12.37 | summatusmentis | lh: that's fair I suppose |
15:13.29 | summatusmentis | AJuOnLiNE|sh: I'd help, but I don't have a webpage to put my resume on, so I'm of no use |
15:13.55 | lh | summatusmentis: get one. google sites |
15:14.02 | lh | goes to get coffee for real now |
15:14.07 | r0bby | I have google pages i think |
15:14.09 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | summatusmentis: hmm thanks.. i will sak for it on friday.. :-/ got stuff to finish for college. deadline :-s |
15:14.12 | r0bby | or did |
15:14.13 | r0bby | :< |
15:14.42 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | s/sak/ask |
15:14.51 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | ibot: no! |
15:14.52 | ibot | [no!] this a bad thing? |
15:15.05 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | ok i thought your gonna write that complete line again |
15:15.21 | summatusmentis | lh: I think I have Google pages. It bugged me that I couldn't ftp things up |
15:15.36 | r0bby | ibot: lh? |
15:15.37 | ibot | somebody said lh was amazing, and probably secretly super woman with super human powers |
15:15.44 | r0bby | :) |
15:16.02 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | yAy! |
15:16.14 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | ibot: lh is Trinity! |
15:16.15 | ibot | ...but lh is already something else... |
15:16.33 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | yes that something else is called Trinity :P |
15:17.06 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | i could use some super powers now. |
15:17.12 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | i want to be invisible right now |
15:17.17 | lh | summatusmentis: yes in some ways it is |
15:17.17 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | and maybe fly too |
15:17.22 | lh | i wish i was that hot ajay |
15:17.32 | lh | AJuOnLiNE|sh: you can have my super powers. |
15:17.46 | MatthewWilkes | lh: You _rock_! |
15:17.48 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | lh: gee thanks.. i think i coudl finish my tasks faster now ;) |
15:18.20 | summatusmentis | ponders using ssh from an iPod Touch |
15:18.22 | lh | i am going to go and beat my head against the wall fora while |
15:18.39 | lh | summatusmentis: denounce steev. all hail andy. |
15:18.46 | lh | goes back to beating head against wall |
15:18.47 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | andy++ |
15:18.53 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | why?! |
15:19.00 | lh | AJuOnLiNE|sh: mailing list pain. |
15:19.31 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | which one? ours is dead |
15:19.38 | summatusmentis | lh: andy isn't a media player, and andy is too elite for me right now |
15:19.41 | lh | is not discussing this, too busy beating head against wall |
15:19.56 | summatusmentis | maybe someday he'll love me :'( |
15:19.56 | r0bby | puts padding on said wall |
15:20.00 | lh | summatusmentis: define media player |
15:20.02 | lh | r0bby: thank you |
15:20.04 | r0bby | can't have lh damaging too many brain cells |
15:20.05 | lh | andy loves me |
15:20.12 | lh | r0bby: you assume i have brain cells. |
15:20.31 | summatusmentis | lh: something that'll have more than 5 hours of playback |
15:20.42 | lh | summatusmentis: hrm. do you really need more than that? |
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15:22.48 | summatusmentis | lh: I do a lot of flying and spending time in airports |
15:22.56 | lh | summatusmentis: so do i. |
15:23.01 | r0bby | I have no brain cells |
15:23.14 | lh | summatusmentis: haven't you figured out where to find the power outlets in the airport yet? |
15:23.18 | lh | has this down pat |
15:23.48 | r0bby | Okay i'm outta here for 0xf00d |
15:23.53 | summatusmentis | lh: power outlets make listening to music difficult :) |
15:24.26 | lh | summatusmentis: are you complaining about lack of storage or poor battery life? |
15:24.42 | lh | r0bby: good, eating is good for you. low blood sugar + ADHD = bad scene |
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15:24.47 | lh | knows this personally |
15:24.49 | lh | all hail vincent |
15:24.58 | MatthewWilkes | hails vincent |
15:25.40 | summatusmentis | poor battery life more so. my current iPod would work, if it were working :) |
15:26.19 | lh | summatusmentis: then you do need to know where to find power outlets in the airport. 'nuf said. |
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15:26.57 | MatthewWilkes | Amsterdam airport is tough for that |
15:27.01 | MatthewWilkes | had to unplug a coke machine |
15:27.04 | kendrick | hey folks |
15:27.12 | kendrick | hits up O'Reilly for help with LUG's 10th birthday |
15:27.21 | kendrick | reminds himself he needs to poke lh too ;) |
15:27.22 | kendrick | tee-hee |
15:27.32 | MatthewWilkes | thankfully I'd brought a 3gang extender |
15:28.19 | lh | kendrick: sup? |
15:28.29 | lh | MatthewWilkes: oh dude, that's hot. you need to tell girls that. |
15:29.14 | kendrick | lh - if you think google can throw any speakers and/or sponsorship our way, that'd be spiffy |
15:29.18 | MatthewWilkes | lh: bah! :) |
15:29.27 | kendrick | i think you said you, personally, were unavailable (it's a mid-january event) |
15:32.02 | lh | kendrick: probably, email please |
15:32.07 | lh | MatthewWilkes: i am serious dude. |
15:32.14 | kendrick | sure sure |
15:32.15 | kendrick | thx |
15:32.19 | lh | kendrick: np. |
15:32.35 | lh | MatthewWilkes: well, imho, any of the ones you'd want would think that was the coolest thing they |
15:32.43 | lh | s/they/they'd |
15:32.45 | lh | heard all day |
15:36.17 | lh | ahem |
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15:36.20 | lh | was it something i said? |
15:36.26 | lh | MatthewWilkes: your letter has been sent |
15:36.30 | lh | jgay: all hail josh gay :) |
15:37.05 | jgay | hehe |
15:38.34 | summatusmentis | hails jgay |
15:39.09 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | ^5's jgay |
15:39.46 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Thanks so much! |
15:39.51 | jgay | ^5 |
15:40.19 | MatthewWilkes | lh: Although if you don't mind I think I might not use your picking up girls tip. ;) |
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15:40.59 | summatusmentis | I'm with lh, use it! |
15:42.15 | summatusmentis | I feel so gross, I'm installing Eudora for someone |
15:42.48 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | isnt that project dead? |
15:44.10 | summatusmentis | apparently a bunch of faculty at my Uni still use it |
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15:52.22 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | summatusmentis: can you confirm if it downloads chats from gmail too via pop? |
15:52.23 | r0bby | lh: I know :) |
15:52.47 | r0bby | eated |
15:52.47 | r0bby | :> |
15:52.55 | summatusmentis | AJuOnLiNE|sh: I have no idea |
15:53.26 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | summatusmentis: try it when you do that :P |
15:53.53 | summatusmentis | uh... these are faculty computer :) |
15:54.14 | r0bby | it downloads chats?!?! |
15:54.18 | r0bby | hrm |
15:54.46 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | r0bby: someone was telling. i didnt want to install it and try :-/ i have thunderbird. |
15:56.13 | lh | MatthewWilkes: darn skippy |
15:56.26 | lh | r0bby: you know what? |
15:56.43 | lh | all hail t-bird and scott macgregor |
15:56.56 | lh | and now i am going to concentrate on this ubuntu developer summit conference call |
15:57.07 | r0bby | lh: hrm? |
15:57.28 | r0bby | lh: what do I know? |
15:57.56 | lh | r0bby: nm con call |
16:00.13 | r0bby | yeh yeh |
16:00.16 | r0bby | ignore r0bby |
16:00.19 | r0bby | shakes fist |
16:01.50 | mlankhorst | Hmm |
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16:04.04 | kyron | anyone goog people here know Eric Rollins? I just found out he's a MV employee (and am reading his stuff about CUDA/GPGPU... interesting but some stuff I doubt about ICC Vs GCC) |
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16:22.23 | sonium | Hi, i forgot correcting my address. Is there still a chance of getting an tshirt? |
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16:24.48 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | sonium: the data pull was taken wednesday[last] |
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16:25.15 | sonium | that means? |
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16:26.14 | MatthewWilkes | sonium: That means whoever lives where you used to has just recieved or is about to recieve a nice shirt |
16:26.53 | sonium | ok |
16:27.04 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | sonium: the address data was taken last wednesday. and shipments already have that data. probably its shipped by now. |
16:27.53 | sonium | I hope *str. instead of *street is not this critical |
16:28.16 | MatthewWilkes | sonium: So it's your correct address, but didn't follow the formatting rules? |
16:28.33 | sonium | yes |
16:28.47 | bobbens | formatting rules? don't scare me :) |
16:28.56 | MatthewWilkes | sonium: Somebody left a . in the name and has now recieved the shirt, so you may be lucky. If not it'll delay it |
16:29.09 | sonium | kk |
16:29.12 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | bobbens: yes. no special characters. to make it simpler. |
16:29.28 | bobbens | i wrote what i always write for international orders, i'm guessing that'll get through |
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16:29.34 | bobbens | seeing that i do get packages :) |
16:30.07 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | bobbens: it was not about getting or not. probably the 3rd party stuff they were using this time messes things up if you give it a special char. |
16:30.23 | bobbens | it's all ascii |
16:30.39 | sonium | dot is ascii too I think |
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16:30.56 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | gives up |
16:31.08 | MatthewWilkes | better safe than sorry |
16:31.09 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | asks everyone to go read the ML :P |
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16:31.56 | sonium | unfortunately discovered gmail's auto-archive function |
16:32.05 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | =) |
16:32.26 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | sonium: bobbens http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-students-list/t/79226b9fd70e90b1 |
16:32.42 | sonium | they should have created two mailinglists, one for important stuff, and one for spam |
16:32.53 | Landon | announcements / students |
16:32.56 | Landon | :) |
16:33.01 | Landon | other than that, filter for lh |
16:33.02 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | +1 |
16:33.17 | bobbens | lh sends too many emails :P |
16:33.21 | r0bby | also filter for Robert O'Connor :) |
16:33.28 | bobbens | i read the ones i get in my inbox :) |
16:33.29 | r0bby | straight to the trash |
16:34.22 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | or send r0bby directly to the trash |
16:34.24 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | runs |
16:35.41 | bobbens | I've got a '/', but that's all |
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16:36.52 | Landon | fwiw I've read all 5047 emails I've received so far |
16:36.53 | Landon | >.> |
16:36.57 | r0bby | puts AJuOnLiNE|sh in a dumpster and sets it on fire :) |
16:37.02 | Landon | obv filtering isn't a concern of mine |
16:37.43 | summatusmentis | Landon: on purpose? |
16:37.56 | Landon | no, I accidentally read them all :P |
16:38.06 | summatusmentis | That's really excessive |
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16:39.04 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | summatusmentis: not really. Landon now knows a bit of what lh hsa to do |
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16:39.15 | Landon | summatusmentis: a few a day average |
16:39.22 | Landon | well |
16:39.26 | Landon | a dozen a day |
16:39.33 | Landon | still not too bad for a quick skim |
16:39.50 | Landon | I pretty much read them as I received them |
16:39.55 | summatusmentis | it was like... 150 the first day |
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16:43.25 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | and i went digest since then |
16:43.41 | summatusmentis | me too, I don't read them though :) |
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16:48.56 | lh | for those complaining about how much email i send |
16:48.57 | lh | i say |
16:48.58 | lh | :p |
16:49.01 | lh | goes away again |
16:49.30 | summatusmentis | I don't think we were complaining, just commiserating with the amount of email you have to read |
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16:52.43 | lh | summatusmentis: all a part of the job. and i love my work. :) |
16:53.42 | summatusmentis | lh: fair enough. even though we're only a small part of your job, we love you too |
16:54.25 | summatusmentis | (in the most platonic way possible) |
16:54.57 | lh | summatusmentis: not that small. |
16:55.03 | lh | summatusmentis: i knew that, thank you for clarifying tho |
16:55.17 | summatusmentis | ok, s/small// |
16:55.19 | AJuOnLiNE|sh | yAy! |
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17:19.59 | SanMehat | lh: ping - break? |
17:20.11 | lh | SanMehat: yes |
17:20.12 | lh | come on over |
17:20.57 | kendrick | looks at google stock news |
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18:01.18 | r0bby | wishes he had lh's job |
18:01.26 | r0bby | wishes he had a job PERIOD |
18:01.38 | r0bby | which doesn't involve retail or flipping burgers |
18:02.16 | kendrick | heh |
18:02.25 | tru | r0bby: so, what's your skillset and where do you live? |
18:03.58 | r0bby | Oh I suck |
18:04.37 | zukunftsalick | r0bby: Did you were a google student this year? |
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18:07.28 | Ivanovic | kblin: around? |
18:07.45 | Ivanovic | kblin: just talked to Sirp about transportation when arriving at SFO |
18:08.04 | Ivanovic | and he said that it would be better for him, if you could take us with you and we just call him once we are at the hotel |
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18:11.42 | r0bby | zukunftsalick: i was :) |
18:12.22 | zukunftsalick | r0bby: so you should know something....... where do you live? |
18:15.21 | r0bby | NY |
18:15.28 | r0bby | zukunftsalick: I didn't finish my project |
18:15.42 | r0bby | for the past month i've not been home during the weekends :X |
18:15.49 | r0bby | and weeks are spent procrastinating :X |
18:16.16 | zukunftsalick | I don`t believe... |
18:16.46 | r0bby | My mentor passed me |
18:16.51 | r0bby | I'm gonna finish it |
18:16.58 | r0bby | tho, i don't know _HOW_ |
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18:17.07 | zukunftsalick | which project was? |
18:17.09 | Maiku | continues to work on his as well |
18:17.11 | r0bby | I suspect that an important piece won't work |
18:17.30 | r0bby | http://openmrs.org/wiki/GroovyForms_Module |
18:17.33 | r0bby | :) |
18:17.55 | r0bby | I needed my mentor to bounce ideas off of |
18:18.09 | r0bby | and he was AWOL and I designed myself into a corner :/ |
18:18.29 | r0bby | I just hope it works |
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18:19.40 | kblin | Ivanovic: sounds good |
18:19.41 | Maiku | :) |
18:20.02 | r0bby | I needed to use templates |
18:20.06 | r0bby | templates didn't work |
18:20.09 | r0bby | so I decided I wouldn' |
18:20.11 | r0bby | t use them |
18:20.19 | r0bby | adding support isn't hard |
18:20.29 | Ivanovic | kblin: okay |
18:20.30 | r0bby | but it was easier to just NOT use them for now |
18:20.43 | kblin | Ivanovic: is that wild palms or domain? |
18:20.49 | zukunftsalick | mmmmm.. is it written in php ? |
18:21.10 | Ivanovic | wild palms |
18:21.35 | kblin | ok, need to check how to get there then |
18:22.13 | r0bby | zukunftsalick: no groovy/java and JSP/HTML for the views |
18:22.20 | r0bby | groovy is the controller/model |
18:22.38 | r0bby | the backend is also groovy :) |
18:22.42 | zukunftsalick | hmm I see... |
18:22.46 | r0bby | it was easier to do it in groovy |
18:23.10 | Ivanovic | !mentorsummitwiki |
18:23.10 | socinfo | "mentorsummitwiki" is http://gsoc-mentors-2008.thousandparsec.net/wiki/Main_Page - the password details can be found on the mentor's mailing list |
18:24.29 | Ivanovic | http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=us&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=111193371685251787855.000457aa22a505fe63172 |
18:25.20 | Ivanovic | looks like it is enough to follow the street from domain |
18:25.20 | kblin | that looks like statistical distribution of where the hotel could be ;) |
18:25.50 | Ivanovic | :) |
18:25.50 | kblin | 0.6 mi â about 58 secs |
18:25.59 | kblin | sounds doable |
18:26.28 | Ivanovic | wild palms is basically in the far south west where domain is close to the far east |
18:26.30 | Ivanovic | ;) |
18:27.24 | Ivanovic | and for me maps.google says that it is ~2mins between the two |
18:27.26 | Ivanovic | ;) |
18:27.41 | kblin | hmm |
18:27.47 | kblin | but 0.6 miles? |
18:28.05 | Ivanovic | 0.6 to 0.8 |
18:28.11 | Ivanovic | depending on where you put the marker |
18:28.28 | Ivanovic | says 12mins when walking, so it is not too bad |
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18:28.57 | brlcad | 10 if you're sober |
18:29.02 | kblin | hehe |
18:29.09 | Ivanovic | brlcad: okay, so 20 in RL |
18:29.11 | Ivanovic | ;) |
18:30.04 | kblin | ah, right, had the driving directions the wrong way around |
18:30.56 | Ivanovic | kblin: and to make finding me and mordante easier, we got a pic of the wesnoth people from this years fosdem: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=20046 |
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18:31.47 | kblin | did we ever meet on linuxtag? |
18:33.38 | Ivanovic | kblin: no |
18:33.46 | kblin | hmm |
18:33.55 | kblin | maybe I saw your picture before |
18:33.59 | kblin | you look familiar |
18:34.05 | Ivanovic | maybe you met one of my fivethousand clones... |
18:34.07 | Ivanovic | ;) |
18:34.15 | Ivanovic | lh: just got a message that my payment was initiated |
18:34.19 | kblin | I guess so |
18:34.27 | kblin | Ivanovic: 30 days it is, then |
18:34.43 | Ivanovic | jupp, exactly |
18:34.48 | kblin | Ivanovic: let's see if you get the additional 1% |
18:34.58 | Ivanovic | plus X days for the money to travel via the wires |
18:35.12 | Ivanovic | though the invoice date was the 17th |
18:35.22 | Ivanovic | and it looks like they wired exactly the requested amount |
18:35.47 | Ivanovic | (no idea how fees for the transfer are handled, if google is covering them, or if i got to) |
18:36.33 | Ivanovic | okay, taking a shower now and watching soccer afterwards, cu |
18:43.33 | lh | Ivanovic: lovely |
18:43.51 | lh | r0bby: you do not want my job. |
18:44.10 | lh | r0bby: my job requires patience. you are under equipped at this time. |
18:44.29 | kendrick | heh |
18:44.45 | kendrick | lh is a good example of a multitasking system |
18:44.55 | kendrick | doing a million things, having patience for processes that are not complete. |
18:45.03 | lh | kendrick: powered by love. :) |
18:45.08 | kendrick | she will become one... with the borg. |
18:45.20 | kendrick | her technology will be absorbed. |
18:45.25 | r0bby | lh: i have patience |
18:45.26 | kendrick | reminds me; i need to email her |
18:45.43 | lh | r0bby: no you dont |
18:45.51 | r0bby | DO TOO! |
18:45.56 | lh | kendrick: what makes you think the borg doesn't already have me assimilated? |
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18:46.40 | kendrick | lack of meaningless goggles and lasers...? |
18:47.45 | r0bby | heh |
18:49.00 | r0bby | hmm |
18:49.15 | r0bby | I think i know why they wrote "Rob is a douche |
18:49.16 | r0bby | <PROTECTED> |
18:49.20 | r0bby | they drew a cake |
18:49.53 | r0bby | and I wrote "NOT a lie (but the (pi symbol) is though) |
18:49.56 | r0bby | :) |
18:50.08 | r0bby | with an arrow pointing to the cvake |
18:50.10 | kendrick | not ONLY is the cake a lie, but there isn't even a spoon with which to eat the ice cream |
18:50.47 | r0bby | GAH |
18:50.54 | r0bby | but lh's cakes can't be a lie |
18:50.59 | r0bby | they are so delicious |
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18:53.03 | kendrick | email sent, lh |
18:53.12 | kendrick | no rush. meeting's not for 3 months |
18:54.23 | Landon | is going to make a chainmail mouthguard |
18:54.24 | Landon | heh |
18:54.28 | Landon | this will be interesting |
18:54.34 | Landon | waiting for the catalog to arrive from worth co |
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20:41.47 | Ivanovic | football match is over, time for little Ivanovic to head off to bed to get some sleep before his exam tomorrow... |
20:44.04 | MatthewWilkes | hail |
20:45.22 | Ivanovic | n8 |
20:49.31 | lh | kendrick: you've been queued for next week |
20:50.42 | kendrick | guf? |
20:50.46 | scorche|sh | lhlhlh |
20:51.08 | kendrick | what about next week? |
20:52.20 | mlankhorst | :O |
20:52.37 | kendrick | >X^{} |
20:52.42 | kendrick | <8-o |
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20:52.58 | kendrick | >#v#< |
20:53.17 | kendrick | hoh boy. i put the 'pro' in 'procrastinate' |
20:57.05 | mlankhorst | Can't be arsed doing that :/ |
20:59.27 | Landon | maybe later |
21:00.25 | MatthewWilkes | meh, new MBPs... Crappy mini display port |
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21:05.46 | kendrick | stares at lh |
21:05.52 | kendrick | what have i been roped into? |
21:05.53 | lh | kendrick: what? |
21:06.10 | kendrick | <lh> kendrick: you've been queued for next week |
21:07.21 | lh | kendrick: i will respond to your mail next week |
21:07.24 | lh | goes to a meeting |
21:07.28 | kendrick | aaaaahhh |
21:07.32 | kendrick | gotchya |
21:07.38 | kendrick | thought 'next week' as in gsoc |
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22:02.56 | AJuOnLiNE|zZz | cant sleep |
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22:40.37 | lh | anyone know of a good online resource for ordering engraved stainless steel flasks with delivery in less than 2 weeks? |
22:41.53 | Landon | on a slightly related note... does anyone know how to reliably dull stainless steel without leaving residue or anything |
22:42.05 | lh | Landon: tea |
22:42.19 | Landon | intriguing |
22:42.22 | Landon | I'll have to do that |
22:42.36 | summatusmentis | stainless steal flasks? |
22:46.31 | lh | summatusmentis: i need them for san |
22:46.40 | lh | bride and groom party gifts |
22:46.47 | summatusmentis | ah, most reasonable then |
22:51.01 | lh | Landon: black tea |
22:51.45 | Landon | I'll have to look around for that |
22:54.08 | lh | Landon: get lipton tea bags, that's all you need - plus they are cheap |
22:54.18 | lh | and will be available in oklahoma for that matter |
22:54.20 | lh | or kansas |
22:54.25 | Landon | ok :P |
22:54.25 | lh | are you in kansas? |
22:55.28 | Landon | I am! |
22:55.43 | Landon | and I know where to get lipton! |
22:55.45 | Landon | heh |
22:55.48 | Landon | now to get my stainless steel |
22:56.12 | Landon | going to look at making a mouth guard of sorts so I don't lose a tooth while running around |
22:56.18 | Landon | (and being shot at) |
22:56.23 | Landon | of course |
22:56.40 | Landon | time for dinners |
22:57.35 | summatusmentis | a mouth guardout of stainless steel? |
23:02.40 | lh | summatusmentis: it's not the worst idea i have ever heard |
23:05.18 | summatusmentis | I need to find a good place to slack line |
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23:50.41 | araujo | back and greets |
23:52.06 | thebolt | morning |
23:56.00 | lh | araujo: hola mi amigo. la fiesta ayer noche es muy bueno. |
23:56.05 | lh | needs to learn past tense spanish |
23:56.42 | araujo | hahaha |
23:56.47 | araujo | lh, yeah? :-D |
23:57.05 | araujo | lh, good you had a nice time! |
23:57.14 | araujo | lh, 'la fiesta estuvo muy buena' |
23:57.15 | lh | araujo: very nice time, the people were lovely |
23:57.16 | araujo | :-] |
23:57.18 | lh | estuvo |
23:57.23 | lh | makes note |
23:57.26 | araujo | :-D |
23:57.35 | lh | araujo: they invited me to come down in february to give a talk on open source |
23:57.38 | lh | so i think i might go |
23:57.45 | araujo | lh, yeah?, .. did you collect funds? |
23:57.52 | araujo | wow, awesome |
23:58.34 | lh | araujo: no funds, i need to find those myself. it was a benefit dinner for earth university. |
23:58.56 | araujo | lh, nice :-D |
23:59.11 | summatusmentis | how is everyone here? |
23:59.47 | lh | araujo: i tries. let's see how i succeedz. |
23:59.54 | lh | summatusmentis: very well dear. how are you? |