| 00:16.46 | florian | good night |
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| 09:32.28 | florian | good morning |
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| 10:13.13 | flo_netvista | hi all |
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| 18:16.52 | smutny | Hello everyone. I have a problem with booting to gpe. After every time i when i soft-reset my t-sinus pad gpe doesnt start as it should do. In the hyperterm i see repeating messages like this one: http://phpfi.com/223338 , sometime GPE boots but mostly not |
| 18:17.00 | smutny | Is there a way to solve this problem ? |
| 18:20.18 | philippe | smutny: seems there is something wrong with your kernel, rather than with GPE |
| 18:21.57 | smutny | so what could i do ? there is no way (that i know) to boot into a command prompt to do something |
| 18:31.34 | philippe | smutny: well it seems to me that your flash chip does not get reset decently, so I even doubt you will get a command prompt |
| 18:32.03 | philippe | If you can change the kernel command line you can get a shell by setting init=/bin/sh if you want to try |
| 18:33.38 | smutny | I sometimes (1/10) get the command line but its random. Now i cannot do nothing ;/ Only watch at hyperterm. |
| 18:36.33 | philippe | smutny: exactly what I mean. You don't even get to GPE either due to a bad kernel or faulty HW |
| 18:37.05 | philippe | oops talking about the kernel command line are you? |
| 18:37.27 | philippe | well I have no experience with your hardware so I have no clue about your bootloader |
| 18:37.47 | philippe | If it does boot far enough you should get a prompt on the hyperterm though |
| 18:38.25 | smutny | But how long ;] A year meybe ;] My pad uses 2.5.3 or 2.3.5 boot image as i remember |
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| 18:41.58 | philippe | smutny: well if it takes that long your kernel is broken and you will need to flash an image with one that works. |
| 18:42.21 | philippe | unfortunately I cannot help you there as I do not know the t-sinus pad. |
| 18:43.22 | philippe | But anything else is not going to solve it as it is not a GPE issue |
| 18:43.48 | philippe | AFAIK based on the information I have |
| 18:44.26 | smutny | Shucks, ok thank you philippe, i would try to make some magic and run a new install on it. |
| 18:45.00 | philippe | guessing from the image numbers you are using openzaurus no? |
| 18:45.40 | philippe | http://openzaurus.linuxtogo.org/wordpress/ has much newer releases |
| 18:46.12 | smutny | Truly - i dont know. I`ve done the install like is sez here : http://opensimpad.org/index.php/Linux#Put_Linux_on_your_SIMpad |
| 18:46.33 | philippe | hmmm, opensimpad... |
| 18:47.01 | philippe | try to drop in later when florian is online. He has one and might point you to a newer image that probably works |
| 18:47.35 | smutny | ok, thanks |
| 18:48.25 | smutny | BTW I have a suggestion to people who would want to buy a Simpad -> DONT BUY IT. I have made a bad decission with buing it. |
| 18:48.47 | smutny | ahh! finally a boot prompt |
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| 18:53.27 | XorA|gone | philippe: oooh, new webcore goodness |
| 19:00.40 | philippe | XorA|gone: yep |
| 19:00.57 | philippe | seems that some people have taken extra interest. |
| 19:01.16 | philippe | I just wish I had a platform different from x86 to try it on |
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| 19:10.37 | XorA|gone | philippe: I wonder if you could get one of the OE devices |
| 19:13.08 | philippe | well I have been hacking a bit on getting my h3850 alive. |
| 19:13.19 | philippe | It kind of boots to a shell now, but that's it. |
| 19:13.31 | philippe | And due to lack of info I gave up. |
| 19:15.44 | XorA|gone | philippe: well as long as you can get as far as networking you can always ssh -X |
| 19:16.35 | philippe | XorA|gone: well unfortunately the USB is not working either... |
| 19:17.31 | XorA|gone | :-( |
| 19:18.52 | philippe | XorA|gone: that reminds me I should see if I can get my netbook alive again with the image florian sent me |
| 19:19.31 | XorA|gone | philippe: anything that can run arm Angstrom :-) |
| 19:26.28 | smutny | philippe, i have booted to gpe - do you have any suggestions about what i could do now with the kernel ? |
| 19:27.41 | philippe | smutny: if you can boot to GPE it must be ok. |
| 19:27.53 | philippe | IT only happens on soft-resets right? |
| 19:28.12 | smutny | it is not ok because if i would now soft-reset would be the same story |
| 19:28.55 | philippe | smutny: seems your flash chip does not get reset correctly on soft-reset. That could be a kernel, bootloader or HW problem... |
| 19:29.36 | smutny | *unpolite |
| 19:29.53 | philippe | But as I said I do not know the flashing procedures for the simpad or where to get a recent kernel I cannot really help you. |
| 19:29.57 | hvontres|poodle | smutny: something akin to fsck ? |
| 19:30.49 | smutny | hvontres|poodle, something about that |
| 19:31.40 | smutny | I discovered that the person that sold me the pda lied about the battery pack because inside is a Siemes - 1400mah and should be a 2500 mah |
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| 19:45.25 | smutny | soft-reset - f... |
| 19:46.05 | smutny | florian, greetings - philippe said me that you have a t-sinus pad and you have some information about it, is it true ? |
| 19:48.16 | smutny | sorry all - gprs losted signal |
| 19:48.59 | smutny | florian - greetings, philippe said me that you have a t-sinus pad and you have some information about it, could you help me ? |
| 19:49.33 | florian | re |
| 19:49.53 | florian | smutny: more or less, i have a SL4 |
| 19:50.04 | florian | smutny: but hi, btw :-) |
| 19:50.32 | smutny | florian, sl4 - sinus pad, the same problems ;] |
| 19:51.43 | florian | smutny: almost - with the sl4 you have less memory problems :-) |
| 19:52.22 | smutny | florian - please dont depress me |
| 19:52.24 | smutny | ;] |
| 19:52.32 | florian | hehe |
| 19:53.01 | smutny | ok, lets go: http://phpfi.com/223368 -> i receive these info on hyperterm after a soft reset - every time, after i had changed the ce.net for familiar with gpe |
| 19:53.26 | smutny | no display on the simpad, sometime (1/10) the system boots but its random |
| 19:54.53 | smutny | philippe suggested me that could be a kernel/hw/bootldr problem but this doesnt tell me what to do |
| 19:55.48 | florian | well... its definitely a lowlevel problem |
| 19:57.00 | florian | it looks a little bit like a problem with initialising the graphics chip |
| 19:57.03 | smutny | ok we know how to name it ;] thats something |
| 19:57.48 | florian | it says: Read back MQ200 ID is 0x02000D51 |
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| 19:58.02 | florian | and Correct Device ID should be 0x02004D51 |
| 19:58.23 | florian | I read this like it never gets the id it expects. |
| 19:59.11 | smutny | i have alsow thinked about doing something with that error but mr. google wasnt helpful |
| 19:59.11 | florian | Is this the original bootloader? |
| 19:59.57 | smutny | no it is the Bloader-2.5.3-SL4 |
| 20:01.03 | florian | i wonder if there if a tiny difference between SL4 and CL4 there |
| 20:01.28 | smutny | as i know - there is not |
| 20:01.46 | florian | indeed, if i remember correctly the only differences are ram and flash size |
| 20:02.31 | florian | i could try to call the people who designed it tomorrow ;) |
| 20:03.05 | smutny | that wasnt funny at all :P |
| 20:03.25 | smutny | sorry wrong channel |
| 20:03.47 | smutny | florian, if you would be not a problem for you |
| 20:04.48 | smutny | but the weird part in my history is that part when simpad boots after sometime - why ? i dont know |
| 20:05.54 | florian | smutny: not really but its quite unlikly that they can help as they have a different bootloader. |
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| 20:06.23 | florian | smutny: right, thats an indication for a hardware problem. |
| 20:07.08 | smutny | super |
| 20:08.55 | smutny | florian, is there an any posibility that there is an another way to boot the pad without using jtag ? |
| 20:09.58 | florian | smutny: unless you get the bootloader console: no |
| 20:10.30 | smutny | snafu |
| 20:11.16 | florian | the jtag for these is easy to build ;) |
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| 20:13.33 | smutny | florian maybe you have a good instruction for the jtag ? i dont whant to mess something up |
| 20:14.54 | mrdata | hi all |
| 20:14.55 | smutny | or what do you think about the jtag from opensimpad - is it ok ? |
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| 20:16.36 | mr_nice | smutny: http://opensimpad.org/index.php/JTAG_HOWTO |
| 20:16.55 | mr_nice | smutny: it is well tested :) |
| 20:18.32 | smutny | ok, so i must look now on my room for some parts, f.... |
| 20:18.36 | smutny | brb |
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| 20:22.44 | mimecar | hi |
| 20:24.20 | smutny | mr_nice, resistors are necessery ? |
| 20:25.56 | mr_nice | smutny: I think so |
| 20:28.15 | florian | sorry, had to check what's up with my son |
| 20:28.48 | florian | i think you can live wit a resistor-only variant, but i don't know offhand |
| 20:29.01 | mimecar | smutny: what do you need? |
| 20:30.32 | smutny | mimecar, i`m going to make a cable for jtag because my simpad doesnt listen me |
| 20:31.00 | mimecar | you have schemes for jtag on microcontrollers |
| 20:31.05 | mimecar | should be similar on simpad |
| 20:31.23 | smutny | i have a schem on the opensimpad.org website |
| 20:31.43 | smutny | but i never made one ;] |
| 20:31.54 | mimecar | is not hard |
| 20:32.20 | mimecar | you can use a prototype board, you won't make any "electronic task" |
| 20:32.26 | mimecar | soldering |
| 20:34.41 | mimecar | florian: one child only ? |
| 20:34.54 | smutny | i have forgotten that i have a prototype board somewhere, now im unsoldering pins from an old isa serial port i have found eaven an good cable ;] |
| 20:35.29 | mimecar | you have some options before soldering |
| 20:35.37 | florian | mimecar: yeah, currently yes... |
| 20:35.42 | mimecar | but soldering will be the best option at the nend |
| 20:35.52 | mimecar | florian: that's work :P |
| 20:36.39 | florian | mimecar: indeed |
| 20:36.45 | florian | but nice work |
| 20:37.18 | mimecar | child, don't change my open embedded settings when you want test some new features ;) |
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| 20:55.12 | florian | heh |
| 20:55.37 | mimecar | that would be a future problem xDDD |
| 20:56.58 | florian | I wonder if 14 months is old enough to start learning C ;) |
| 20:57.19 | mimecar | mmm |
| 20:57.28 | mimecar | I think the problem is here if he's 14 old |
| 20:57.44 | mimecar | caution if he /she read an assembler book |
| 20:58.07 | florian | :-) |
| 20:59.10 | mimecar | Assembler for dummies :P |
| 20:59.44 | mimecar | I should go to the bed |
| 21:00.37 | mimecar | I write silly thing at this time of the day |
| 21:01.32 | florian | hmm... assembler books for kids sounds like a cool idea :) |
| 21:01.56 | mimecar | that would be dangerous |
| 21:06.30 | mimecar | night all |
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| 22:11.42 | hvontres|poodle | florian: well, you could start teaching him mnonics right after he starts learning his ABC's.. |
| 22:14.11 | florian | :-) |
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