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| 18:57.26 | florian | hi all |
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| 19:21.02 | mimecar | hi |
| 19:21.48 | florian | hi mimecar |
| 19:23.06 | mimecar | evening florian |
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| 21:05.06 | florian | hi CoreDump|home, hi goxboxlive |
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| 22:01.53 | florian | neal: ping |
| 22:06.52 | neal | I'm leaving for a 2 week vacation in 10 minutes |
| 22:06.54 | neal | what's up? |
| 22:10.44 | florian | neal: oh... enjoy, i could need this as well :) |
| 22:11.36 | neal | should be fun |
| 22:11.37 | florian | neal: I intended to ask and maybe discuss the library licensing and releasing latest bits. |
| 22:12.11 | neal | I've neglected responding, sorry about that |
| 22:12.19 | neal | I'm been quite busy |
| 22:12.40 | neal | in short, I'm not convinced for the practical arguments |
| 22:13.04 | florian | too bad :( |
| 22:13.05 | neal | the basic problem is you subscribe to an open source ethic and I subscribe to a free software ethic |
| 22:13.55 | neal | If I had known this at the outset, I would have contributed to a different project |
| 22:15.21 | neal | sorry about that |
| 22:15.30 | florian | hum... what of libgpevtype is not free? |
| 22:16.17 | florian | i suppose open source is one thing but if we reach a state where block each other we have done something wrong. |
| 22:17.44 | neal | it is the application of the LGPL |
| 22:18.06 | florian | i guess you were aware if the fact since you changed this sentence on the main website. |
| 22:19.34 | neal | that I only changed recently |
| 22:19.45 | neal | for two reasons |
| 22:19.51 | neal | one: not all the libraries were LGPL |
| 22:19.54 | neal | so it was misleading |
| 22:20.07 | neal | two: because not all contributors are open source people |
| 22:20.26 | neal | I obviously should have paid more attention to such details at the start |
| 22:20.47 | florian | who here is not an open source person?! |
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| 22:20.49 | mimecar | hi |
| 22:20.52 | neal | me. |
| 22:20.53 | florian | mimecar: hi |
| 22:20.55 | neal | for instance |
| 22:21.24 | florian | neal: can you elaborate this a little bit? |
| 22:22.06 | neal | http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html |
| 22:22.36 | florian | neal: where do you place yourself? |
| 22:22.46 | neal | free software |
| 22:23.03 | neal | zero tolerance for proprietary software |
| 22:23.11 | florian | thats politics |
| 22:23.15 | neal | yup |
| 22:23.19 | neal | that is politics |
| 22:23.32 | neal | and if you read that essay, that makes exactly that point |
| 22:23.35 | florian | i hate discussions about politics... |
| 22:23.43 | neal | I'm sorry. |
| 22:24.03 | florian | neal: you are in the position to change this, not me |
| 22:24.14 | neal | what do you mean? |
| 22:24.27 | neal | you want to relicense |
| 22:24.35 | florian | neal: yes |
| 22:24.42 | neal | it all pretty much started as GPL code |
| 22:25.01 | mimecar | florian: what's the program you want relicense ? |
| 22:25.21 | neal | libeventdb and libgpevtype |
| 22:25.24 | neal | namely |
| 22:25.32 | mimecar | new license ? |
| 22:25.48 | florian | neal: i accepted the gpled libeventdb already, but i do not want the whole set of libraries gpl. i would be fine with having libgpevtype lgpl. |
| 22:25.50 | neal | it is really a negotiation of future policy |
| 22:26.04 | neal | that makes no sense |
| 22:26.11 | neal | as libgpevtype depends on libeventdb |
| 22:26.15 | mimecar | is florian the only developer of that library ? |
| 22:26.19 | neal | so libgpevtype is effectively GPL |
| 22:26.26 | neal | (you can't use it without libeventdb) |
| 22:26.38 | florian | i do not want a single person moving the whole gpe to gpl. |
| 22:27.08 | neal | I agree that libgpewidget should be LGPL, by the way |
| 22:27.20 | mimecar | usually libs for development are lgpl |
| 22:27.26 | mimecar | the gtk case for example |
| 22:28.08 | florian | true, but thats a different story... |
| 22:28.45 | mimecar | then, that 2 library are.... ? (license) |
| 22:29.03 | neal | they are GPL |
| 22:29.21 | mimecar | directly it can not be converted to lgpl |
| 22:29.35 | mimecar | if you hace code of other people, if you 're the only developer |
| 22:29.40 | mimecar | you can change the license |
| 22:29.52 | mimecar | on a new version |
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| 22:32.59 | florian | neal: libgpevtype was sane LGPL before you touched it. |
| 22:33.01 | florian | hi mmp |
| 22:33.11 | mmp | hi florian :) |
| 22:33.15 | neal | actually, graham did the import of the GPL code |
| 22:33.29 | neal | I didn't |
| 22:33.58 | neal | no, that's not quite true |
| 22:34.11 | neal | Graham copied the gpe-calendar code into gpesyncd |
| 22:34.12 | florian | then everything is ok and we only need to change the headers since it was pb_ who wrote that code and he was fine with that change |
| 22:34.30 | neal | and then I consolidated the code in libgpevtype |
| 22:34.59 | neal | hmm? |
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| 22:37.43 | neal | okay, I'm off |
| 22:37.49 | neal | be back April 1st. |
| 22:38.17 | neal | florian: I don't see technically what an LGPL libgpevtype gets you |
| 22:38.52 | neal | especially as you admit a GPL libeventdb |
| 22:39.10 | florian | maybe i should just stop wasting my time making others happy |
| 22:39.19 | florian | have a good time |
| 22:39.34 | neal | thanks. |
| 22:39.37 | neal | later. |
| 22:58.34 | mmp | florian: are there many "GPLed library" issues? |
| 22:59.44 | florian | mmp: two iirc - libeventdb and libgpevtype which was moved to gpl lately. |
| 23:01.20 | mmp | hmm, that could be possible to fix in reasonable time... |
| 23:02.24 | mmp | ... if the amount of code is not too big... |
| 23:05.15 | florian | mmp: in theory yes, but it would be a wast of resources we do not even really have. |
| 23:05.36 | mmp | florian: (just an idea) I know it is "alibistic", but would not it be possible to for now just visually mark the GPL code in those libraries somehow and continue in development, even with this code. And later, when there will be time, someone can re-implement it in LGPL... |
| 23:06.54 | florian | mmp: sure, but that's really unclean and only causes confusion which is bad for the reputation of the project. |
| 23:07.38 | florian | its a shame that we obviously have to live with the crappy old website :-( |
| 23:07.56 | florian | that causes quite some confusion already |
| 23:32.35 | florian | ibot: seen france? |
| 23:33.12 | ibot | france <n=George@38.99.207.90> was last seen on IRC in channel #handhelds.org, 2d 29m 38s ago, saying: 'nods'. |