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| 09:36.55 | sureshkumar | Hi all, Can anyone help me in starting the SMS application built from GPE Phone |
| 09:37.16 | sureshkumar | waiting for your express replies ............................................ :) |
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| 09:55.38 | sureshkumar | can anyone tell me on which platform shall we built the GPE Phone code? I am using UBUNTU LINUX version |
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| 10:46.49 | florian_ | good morning |
| 10:47.11 | neal | Hi florian |
| 10:56.38 | neal | florian: deb http://linuxtogo.org/~neal/maemo ./ |
| 10:58.23 | florian | neal: oh cool, i'll rey right now |
| 10:58.55 | florian | eh try |
| 10:59.13 | neal | there are two major bugs: |
| 10:59.18 | neal | it doesn't show up in the AM |
| 10:59.36 | neal | and it doesn't show up in the icon bar |
| 11:00.38 | florian | ok... that is usually a problem with the desktop or the service file- |
| 11:01.00 | neal | yes. |
| 11:01.26 | neal | I spent many hours debugging it |
| 11:01.31 | neal | there is just no debugging output |
| 11:03.01 | florian | hrm... i remember i suffered from the same a long time ago :-/ |
| 11:13.35 | florian | this stupid application manager does not like the repository. |
| 11:13.58 | neal | It worked for me. |
| 11:14.13 | neal | you left the third field blank, right? |
| 11:14.18 | neal | second field ./ |
| 11:14.47 | florian | oops sorry, typo |
| 11:21.35 | florian | neal: did you actually use the application manager to install it? |
| 11:21.43 | neal | no. |
| 11:21.46 | neal | apt-get install |
| 11:21.51 | neal | as it doesn't show up in the AM |
| 11:22.00 | florian | ok :-) |
| 11:22.04 | neal | I think I have to put it in the user category or something |
| 11:22.16 | neal | but you can add the source via the AM |
| 11:23.45 | florian | ah yes right, you need to do this |
| 11:38.25 | sureshkumar | Hi florian |
| 11:38.44 | sureshkumar | can anyone tell me on which platform shall we built the GPE Phone code? I am using UBUNTU LINUX version |
| 11:38.57 | sureshkumar | Can anyone help me in starting the SMS application built from GPE Phone? |
| 11:40.03 | florian | hi sureshkumar |
| 11:40.12 | florian | sureshkumar: i used ubuntu as well |
| 11:43.25 | sureshkumar | Hi Florian, can you help me in using the SMS application of GPE Phone? |
| 11:45.07 | florian | sureshkumar: maybe :-) |
| 11:48.38 | _law_ | is there already a working sms/phone framework in gpe-phone? |
| 11:49.04 | sureshkumar | I had build the code of the folder sms-1.0, along with the dependencies mentioned in the README.txt |
| 11:49.32 | sureshkumar | I had install it and when I call "sms" from the command prompt, I am able to get the Interface with SMS and MMS option |
| 11:49.59 | sureshkumar | Also I am able to travel to the window Create msg and I am able to enter the text or Phone number. But after this, I didn't find any button or point to go ahead, with sending a SMS. |
| 11:50.02 | florian | neal: imho there is something wrong with the osso init in starling. the loading notification stays there too long. |
| 11:50.19 | neal | if you figure it out, let me know |
| 11:50.28 | neal | Like I said, I need some debugging output |
| 11:50.36 | neal | I've read the documentation |
| 11:50.46 | neal | I've compared with other applications |
| 11:50.49 | neal | I can't figure it out |
| 11:51.17 | sureshkumar | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.37 | sureshkumar | florian: R U THERE? |
| 11:55.04 | XorA | sureshkumar: usings CAPS normally just annoys people |
| 11:55.05 | neal | yelling is annoying |
| 11:55.13 | XorA | see :-) |
| 11:55.34 | sureshkumar | XorA and neal: sorry for that |
| 11:56.05 | XorA | sureshkumar: remeber florian is a busy man at work :-) |
| 11:56.13 | sureshkumar | XorA and neal: it was typing mistake, with caps lock on |
| 11:56.54 | florian | _law_: there is to some extend. it still has some issues and lacks a proper device abstraction but its there. |
| 11:57.03 | florian | neal: ok |
| 11:57.40 | sureshkumar | florian: any idea on my query? |
| 11:58.45 | florian | sureshkumar: you don't have gpe-applauncher running, right? |
| 11:59.26 | sureshkumar | No. I haven't started anything else except "sms" |
| 12:00.04 | florian | sureshkumar: ah i see - if you start this as well you get the softkey window with the applications menu. |
| 12:01.47 | florian | neal: pretty nice |
| 12:02.05 | neal | florian: Thanks. |
| 12:02.26 | neal | florian: I'd like to figure out the dbus problem. |
| 12:02.40 | neal | if you have a time to take a peek, I'd appreciate another couple of eyes |
| 12:03.41 | florian | neal: oh, the fullscreen key of the n800 starts playback :-) |
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| 12:04.36 | sureshkumar435 | florian: did you see my messages, after starting the "sms" |
| 12:04.37 | neal | florian: Yeah |
| 12:04.42 | neal | florian: Zoom is next and previous |
| 12:04.54 | florian | cool |
| 12:04.54 | neal | florian: Unfortunately, there are not enough keys for volume as well |
| 12:05.06 | neal | florian: Or, there needs to be some state machine |
| 12:05.30 | florian | sureshkumar435: yes, your environment setup is wrong - check the dbus stuff in ste scripts |
| 12:05.37 | neal | full screen toggles zoom between next/previous and volume control |
| 12:05.49 | neal | long press of full screen toggles play/pause |
| 12:06.06 | neal | but that's complicated :) |
| 12:06.19 | florian | neal: ok, that would need some documentation :-) |
| 12:06.24 | florian | heh |
| 12:06.25 | neal | yeah |
| 12:06.27 | sureshkumar435 | may I know, what shall I do? I mean what to check and what to verify? |
| 12:06.39 | sureshkumar435 | florian: may I know, what shall I do? I mean what to check and what to verify? |
| 12:06.48 | neal | if you need documentation for a UI, it's likely not usable |
| 12:08.24 | florian | sureshkumar435: you need to get the address of your session dbus and make sure some environment variable is set to it. it should be in the scripts, just search for the dbus session bus startup. |
| 12:08.27 | florian | neal: true |
| 12:09.44 | sureshkumar435 | florian: Thanks for suggesting some solution. I would work on that and get back to you on tomorrow, bye for now |
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| 12:13.33 | florian | brb, food |
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| 13:57.30 | _law_ | how is the System Info tool called in svn or where can i find it? |
| 13:59.23 | _law_ | ok its gpe-info in gpe-conf package or? |
| 14:00.29 | florian | _law_: in svn its gpe-conf |
| 14:00.41 | _law_ | florian, ok thanks |
| 14:13.48 | _law_ | florian, could you please add http://rafb.net/p/jZKoAG38.html |
| 14:14.54 | _law_ | florian, i dont know if type ipaq is corrent better will be somthing like handheld or so |
| 14:16.19 | florian | _law_: oh nice - will do so, thanks! |
| 14:16.37 | _law_ | florian, np |
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| 14:33.36 | florian | neal: renaming the service file to "starling.service" makes it show up in the list of running applications. |
| 14:33.46 | neal | strange |
| 14:33.56 | neal | you rock. |
| 14:35.06 | florian | but something is still wrong... the startup thingy is not cleared |
| 14:41.31 | _law_ | whats starling? |
| 14:41.49 | neal | the gpe audio player |
| 14:42.49 | _law_ | neal, a also for non hildon devices? |
| 14:42.54 | neal | yes. |
| 14:43.40 | florian | neal: playing ogg files seem to crash it |
| 14:43.49 | neal | florian: On what platform? |
| 14:44.13 | neal | florian: Interestingly, there is no tremor plugin for the770 |
| 14:44.24 | neal | (and I have not yet built one) |
| 14:44.35 | neal | so I didn't test it. |
| 14:44.36 | florian | neal: on a n800 / os2007 |
| 14:44.45 | neal | does it have ogg support? |
| 14:44.52 | neal | what do you get with: |
| 14:44.54 | _law_ | whats the best pdf viewer for gpe? evince? |
| 14:45.35 | neal | gst-launch -v filesrc location=file.ogg ! decodebin ! dspmp3sink |
| 14:45.46 | neal | (you might have to install gstreamer-tools0.10) |
| 14:45.56 | Henkie- | would it be possible to create a virtual desktop which is larger then the screen itself? |
| 14:46.01 | XorA | _law_: yeah with recent poppler changes it goes fast |
| 14:46.19 | _law_ | XorA, and they are already in OE? |
| 14:46.31 | XorA | _law_: yes, and built for angstrom |
| 14:46.48 | _law_ | nice so i?ll test it on my 620mhz aximx51v :-) |
| 15:41.53 | neal | florian: Your change doesn't work for me. |
| 15:42.11 | neal | florian: changing the service file to starling.service means it doesn't start at all for me. |
| 15:42.35 | florian | neal: in os/2006? |
| 15:42.40 | neal | right |
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| 15:55.57 | mccarthy | florian, what is the latest on releasing gpe-calendar et al? |
| 15:56.52 | neal | mccarthy : Some one runs the right commands. |
| 15:57.46 | mccarthy | neal, ? |
| 15:58.06 | neal | it's all ready from my POV |
| 15:58.53 | mccarthy | ok. was florian the only other one with a "vote" here? (I know koen seemed to think there was a crash bug somewhere, but I have not seen anyone replicate it) |
| 15:59.53 | florian | hi mccarthy |
| 16:00.21 | florian | mccarthy: i guess koen was using a broken glib in angstrom |
| 16:01.00 | florian | the only thing i have in mind is the libgpevtype licanse, but i have a patch for that already. |
| 16:01.11 | florian | almost |
| 16:01.27 | neal | in what way? |
| 16:01.50 | florian | neal: the gpl/lgpl issue we discussed lately. |
| 16:01.57 | neal | sure. |
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| 16:02.16 | neal | and what then requires a patch? |
| 16:02.53 | florian | neal: some file headers :-) |
| 16:02.57 | florian | _law_: wb |
| 16:03.31 | neal | I'm still unconvinced that I was my code under the LGPL |
| 16:03.35 | neal | and consider the following |
| 16:03.36 | mccarthy | florian, so you are going to do the release after you do the patch? |
| 16:04.00 | neal | when I finish my new parser, will it matter? |
| 16:04.03 | _law_ | hi florian |
| 16:04.13 | florian | mccarthy: both neal and i could do that then |
| 16:04.13 | neal | alternatively, you can tell me that you are happy with libmimedir |
| 16:04.14 | mccarthy | neal, didn't florian and pb discuss reverting to some older version of whatever lib? |
| 16:04.38 | neal | mccarthy : Well, then they will have to write a fair amount of code |
| 16:04.39 | florian | please :-) |
| 16:04.50 | neal | and from florian's comment, he hasn't done that |
| 16:04.55 | mccarthy | neal, you are writing a replacement for libmimedir? |
| 16:05.02 | neal | yes. |
| 16:05.06 | neal | it sucks. |
| 16:05.14 | neal | and it makes us look bad |
| 16:05.22 | florian | now i know why libmimedir sucks ;) |
| 16:05.27 | neal | it's one of the biggest complaints |
| 16:05.30 | mccarthy | doing it sucks or your code sucks orlibmimedir sucks? ;) |
| 16:05.44 | florian | heh |
| 16:05.49 | neal | or rather, the cause of one of the most frequent complains |
| 16:05.50 | mccarthy | (too slow to be funny, I guess ..) |
| 16:05.58 | neal | too strict as well |
| 16:06.12 | mccarthy | I still want audible alarms back (is it nice to have a non-libmimedir complaint?) |
| 16:06.23 | neal | yes. |
| 16:06.24 | neal | thanks. |
| 16:06.35 | neal | that's the third most frequent complaint |
| 16:06.42 | mccarthy | but I guess I said that I would do it, didn't I? |
| 16:06.44 | neal | the first is lack of sync support in gpe-calendar |
| 16:07.05 | mccarthy | I agree with all three complaints ... |
| 16:07.10 | mccarthy | I will fix the third one ;) |
| 16:07.17 | mccarthy | (the other two are hard) |
| 16:07.20 | neal | great. |
| 16:08.33 | florian | neal: The libmimedir issue is simply that we need a sane license according to what we decided to have for gpe. I am not going to accept a total licensing mess in gpe even if i understand quite some of your arguments. |
| 16:08.48 | neal | how is it a mess? |
| 16:08.57 | neal | I rewrite all the libraries and everything will be under the GPL |
| 16:08.59 | neal | it's easy :) |
| 16:09.05 | florian | neal: argh! |
| 16:09.16 | neal | think about it |
| 16:09.23 | neal | libtododb will eventually be integrated into libeventdb |
| 16:09.30 | neal | libcontacts db needs the same treatment |
| 16:09.35 | neal | and someone else is going to do this |
| 16:09.44 | neal | as I want the functionality, I will write it |
| 16:10.12 | florian | Then raise this discussion on the mailinglist - if everyone else agrees i'm fine with it. |
| 16:10.20 | neal | I'm also working on a libxournal widget |
| 16:10.34 | neal | so that we can associate hand written notes with events and cards |
| 16:10.40 | neal | that's GPL |
| 16:10.41 | florian | Currently i'm strictly against GPLed libraries. |
| 16:11.30 | neal | say a company comes along and uses your library to write a proprietary component, how do you feel? |
| 16:12.10 | florian | neal: pretty good... i'm happy that they like the software i wrote. |
| 16:12.20 | neal | then why don't you release under the BSD? |
| 16:13.11 | florian | neal: because LGPL is more stricter about derived code. |
| 16:13.19 | neal | but why do you care? |
| 16:13.25 | neal | aren't you happy that someone used your code? |
| 16:13.28 | neal | wha's the different? |
| 16:13.54 | neal | why do you want to preserve certain rights in one case but not similar ones in the other? |
| 16:14.17 | florian | neal: Because i believe in contribution. |
| 16:14.52 | neal | what has the company contributed? |
| 16:15.20 | florian | neal: what do you mean with "the company"? |
| 16:15.44 | neal | the one that took your lgpl lib and used it to write an proprietary application? |
| 16:15.47 | neal | s/an/a/ |
| 16:16.05 | neal | ibot: bad, that is wrong. |
| 16:16.06 | ibot | neal: I think you lost me on that one |
| 16:16.47 | florian | neal: they need to publish changes and improvements and if you teach companies that it is a good idea to do so they really do. |
| 16:18.14 | florian | I'm definitely not going to release a libgpevtype that introduces a licanse change from lgpl to gpl. |
| 16:19.37 | florian | s/licanse/license/ |
| 16:20.15 | neal | florian: libgpevtype contains about 1400 lines of code |
| 16:20.30 | neal | At least half are what I wrote |
| 16:20.36 | neal | it's not <5% |
| 16:20.53 | neal | if it were, I'd be happy with any license |
| 16:21.01 | neal | (as long as it is free) |
| 16:22.19 | florian | neal: Why do we make our lives more and more complicated? Can't we just do good stuff without constantly fighting about licenses? |
| 16:22.35 | neal | I could just write code for myself |
| 16:22.41 | neal | but I choose to share it |
| 16:22.57 | neal | that's a political decision |
| 16:23.00 | mccarthy | neal, thanks neal :) |
| 16:23.02 | neal | I value sharing |
| 16:23.21 | mccarthy | (Everything I ever need to know I learned in kindergarten) |
| 16:23.29 | neal | it is much harder to make a political statement in a company |
| 16:23.37 | neal | so, I use my private voice |
| 16:23.47 | florian | It was pretty clear that GPE wants to have LGPL licenses like other projects (like Gnome) that work pretty well even if people are able to build closed crap ontop of it? |
| 16:25.16 | florian | Sharing is good, but it does not feel good if the whole project is forced to accept this way. |
| 16:26.02 | neal | if I decide to relicense those changes, because you have asked, I am not yet convinced to relicense the rest |
| 16:26.25 | neal | nor to license the code I have just referred under the LGPL |
| 16:26.55 | neal | that means we are at an impasse |
| 16:27.20 | florian | I spent endless hours in GPE, but it really hurts that i need to spend time in re-inventing wheels because someone thinks GPL would be better for libraries than LGPL. |
| 16:27.34 | neal | look at KDE and GNOME |
| 16:27.40 | neal | look at BSDs vs Linux |
| 16:27.59 | neal | there is a lot of repeated work due to philosophical/political disagreements |
| 16:28.06 | florian | I didn't even ask about libeventdb, i can live with having it GPL. |
| 16:28.35 | florian | neal: sure, but i do not want these conflicts in GPE |
| 16:28.52 | florian | we really have more important issues to solve. |
| 16:29.04 | neal | ah, that is where we disagree |
| 16:29.08 | mccarthy | like those damn noisy alarms! |
| 16:29.26 | neal | an mp3 player or a calendaring application is not important to me |
| 16:34.20 | florian | Just apart from the fact that see changing a license of some piece of software without asking the other involved developers is a sign of lacking respect towards these. If someone remembers why we have Xfree86 and Xorg... |
| 16:35.35 | neal | florian: That's explicitly granted by the LGPL |
| 16:35.51 | neal | florian: Moreover, I wrote it outside of libgpevtype |
| 16:36.01 | neal | and then it was request that the code be moved to libgpevtype |
| 16:36.07 | neal | so that gpesyncd could use it |
| 16:36.21 | neal | it's easy enough to put it back in gpe-calendar |
| 16:36.58 | florian | neal: right, but we can't work together in one project if this happens without even a single line of chat before. |
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| 16:37.19 | neal | it wasn't my intention to move it to libgpevtype when I wrote it |
| 16:37.50 | neal | anyways, that's a weak argument |
| 16:37.57 | neal | (my argument) |
| 16:38.09 | neal | so, you are right about at least one thing |
| 16:38.17 | florian | neal: i see you |
| 16:38.39 | florian | want to see it gpl, but just making it gpl is not an option |
| 16:38.41 | neal | changing the license to GPL is a right that I have |
| 16:39.04 | neal | but uploading code to the community repository without consulting the community was incorrect |
| 16:39.34 | moray | indeed -- you have the right to make anything GPL, but you don't have the authority to unilaterally overrule a policy on licences within GPE |
| 16:39.45 | neal | florian: Any code under the LGPL can be made GPL |
| 16:39.45 | florian | neal: you have full access to svn - lgpl would allow you change all lgpl bits in svn to gpl. |
| 16:39.53 | neal | true, that was incorrect |
| 16:40.34 | moray | neal: the issue isn't about legal rights |
| 16:40.57 | florian | i'm more and more convinced that we should enforce this policy to avoid these discussion. that would be beneficial for the project |
| 16:41.00 | moray | LGPL would also allow code under a licence no one likes to be linked, but you can't put that in svn either |
| 16:41.17 | neal | moray : I thought I already agreed that I was wrong about that bit. |
| 16:41.23 | moray | florian: well, it was an accident a while ago that the licence policy stopped being enforced |
| 16:41.28 | moray | florian: that was probably a bad thing, yes |
| 16:42.00 | moray | (a couple of libraries were accidentally marked as GPL by people who actually meant to follow the policy, but it wasn't fixed immediately) |
| 16:42.05 | florian | moray: indeed... that lead to quite some confusion and bad words. i remember reenoos mail... |
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| 16:42.44 | florian | In the beginning i didn't take much care as well... and same for pb_ |
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| 18:01.03 | neal | florian: I've sent an email to the list regarding the issue. |
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| 18:14.09 | mccarthy | ha! I thought I would stay completely out of this L/GPL argument ... |
| 18:14.22 | mccarthy | but gpe-announce is GPL and libsoundgen is LGPL ... |
| 18:14.51 | mccarthy | I wanted to combine them in order to make the lib that gpe-calendar would use for making audible alarms! :) fun for me! |
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| 18:16.02 | mccarthy | but I guess since gpe-announce was written almost exclusively by me and Nils, I would bet I *could* make it LGPL with no issues ... |
| 18:16.09 | philippe | evening all |
| 18:18.16 | mccarthy | aha! you might be in it too philippe ... |
| 18:18.59 | mccarthy | I am looking into combining gpe-announce and libsoundgen to make a slightly easier-to-use audible alarm library |
| 18:19.11 | mccarthy | but gpe-announce is GPL and libsoundgen is LGPL |
| 18:19.24 | mccarthy | (I see your name on the Changelog for gpe-announce) |
| 18:19.31 | philippe | mccarthy: Yep.... as I am just writing a browser abstraction lib for GPE and have code in libgpewidget etc... |
| 18:20.10 | philippe | hmm, I have to check what I did to gpe-announce :-) |
| 18:20.13 | mccarthy | holy cow |
| 18:20.19 | mccarthy | lots of hands in gpe-announce |
| 18:21.05 | mccarthy | me, nils, florian, pb, cmarqu, philippe, moray, tobygray, and ldecicco! |
| 18:21.15 | mccarthy | its really not that complex of a bit of code ;) |
| 18:21.54 | philippe | mccarthy: I just did a release == no code changed by me. |
| 18:22.03 | mccarthy | ah |
| 18:22.16 | mccarthy | ok . that might lower my number of contributors ... |
| 18:28.34 | neal | mccarthy : As a professor and a researcher, how can you not stay out of it? |
| 18:29.16 | mccarthy | I think you had one to many negatives ... |
| 18:30.05 | neal | um, yes |
| 18:30.13 | mccarthy | I tend to stay out of it mostly because I barely even contribute anymore. Almost everything I ever wrote for GPE has now been replaced. |
| 18:30.15 | neal | mccarthy : As a professor and a researcher, how can you not not stay out of it? |
| 18:30.21 | mccarthy | So I don't really have a dog in this race. |
| 18:31.04 | mccarthy | If you were asking about my philosophy on the thing, of course I think that a free exchange of ideas (read "code") is the best way to advance the state of the art |
| 18:31.45 | mccarthy | but I am also practical, and as an engineer always like to see what I do actually used in practice |
| 18:32.48 | mccarthy | so it does not sound that bad to trade off the potential for someone to derive (but not disclose) new code if it would dramatically increase the potential for widespread utilization of the ideas (read "code") |
| 18:33.17 | mccarthy | to me, it is a bit like doing contract work for a company as opposed to getting National Science Foundation money to do research |
| 18:33.58 | mccarthy | NSF money is great, because there are no string attached; so I can do my research and release it as "GPL" (i.e., publish it in the open literature) and HOPE that people use it |
| 18:34.08 | mccarthy | OR |
| 18:34.42 | mccarthy | I can hook up with a company, do similar (but more focused) work that I can only publish in a watered down way, but that I KNOW willbe used by that company |
| 18:34.47 | neal | but when you published something that is closed, you don't really spread the idea of the thing itself |
| 18:34.52 | neal | you only spread a shadowof it |
| 18:35.05 | mccarthy | Right |
| 18:35.15 | mccarthy | but to me it is a bit of a balancing act |
| 18:36.24 | mccarthy | If I were to come up with a cure for cancer and I could either get it funded by a company (and go the "shadow" route) or I could get it funded by NSF (and go "fully open"), I would go fully open because OF COURSE it will get used anyway |
| 18:37.01 | neal | intersting |
| 18:37.18 | neal | there was just an articleon the bbc how a team of researchers discovered a cure for some important disease |
| 18:37.27 | mccarthy | But if I come up with a new type of mixer that will dramatically reduce the tendency of granular materials to segregate (as an example), I might rather hook up with a company that could help "spread the word" |
| 18:37.29 | neal | but because it is unpatentable, no company will touch it |
| 18:37.54 | neal | so it may not be developed |
| 18:38.03 | mccarthy | therefore no "spread the word" ... |
| 18:38.48 | mccarthy | At the end, I do not know the right answer on the L/GPL issue, but to me it should come down to: how do we best get our (read: your) efforts out into the wild so that people will use it |
| 18:39.33 | mccarthy | It would be *best* if it fosters other people releasing things "into the wild", but if that comes at the expense of only you and me being the people that use the damn calendar then it is possilby not the right approach |
| 18:40.20 | mccarthy | it would be interesting to know if florian has specific companies in mind that would be helping to "spread the word" if things were all LGPL |
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| 19:02.37 | philippe | mccarthy: lots of companies are not ready for fully open. So LGPL can be a stepping stone. |
| 19:02.49 | philippe | take for example Nokia with their 770 and 880 |
| 19:03.00 | philippe | they still have a lot to learn, but it is improving... |
| 19:04.12 | mccarthy | That's why I can see neal's point philosophically, but think that florian is probably right *as long as we use it as a stepping stone to gain us considerably wider exposure* |
| 19:04.45 | mccarthy | if it is a stone that gains us no "height" or one that we use even *after* gaining sginificant exposure, then I think it is the wrong approach |
| 19:05.45 | philippe | and GPL or LGPL. The evil companies will take your code anyway. |
| 19:10.16 | robtaylor | philippe: heh, i think i've heard that one too |
| 19:10.58 | philippe | robtaylor: I might have mentioned that to you before |
| 19:11.23 | robtaylor | philippe: probably :) |
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| 19:58.26 | YoG | hi, can anyone tell me how to disable autorotation? |
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| 20:31.41 | mccarthy | neal, I hacked up libsoundgen to add the useful bits from gpe-announce (so that gpe-announce is no longer useful) |
| 20:32.15 | mccarthy | and I integrated the necessary calls to soundgen_alarm_start and soundgen_alarm_stop into gpe-calendar |
| 20:32.40 | mccarthy | there are three issue I need to think about before releasing though: |
| 20:32.44 | mccarthy | (I guess 4) |
| 20:33.04 | mccarthy | 1. the L/GPL issue since gpe-announce was GPL |
| 20:33.05 | neal | I'm listening |
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| 20:33.55 | glombool | hello |
| 20:33.56 | mccarthy | 2. the fact that libsoundgen is threaded so that presumably you could have multiple alarms going off at once, but I have gpe-calendar alarm_stop when *any* alarm is acknowledged |
| 20:34.28 | mccarthy | 3. I need to make sure that gpe-clock is not negatively affected by the changes (since I think it used gpe-announce ...) |
| 20:34.47 | mccarthy | 4. I have no clue how to autotoolize libsoundgen, and no one has started this yet |
| 20:34.57 | glombool | wondering if I could get a little dev help. I'm trying to complile gpe-soundbite on my pc. I have the toolchain installed, but it doesn't have libgsm. I installed libgsm1-dev on my computer. I can't seem to get make to recognize it exists. |
| 20:35.51 | mccarthy | glombool, what is the error (is your build looking in the wrong place for the .pc file) and *which* libgsm did you install (for you build machine or for your target machine?) |
| 20:35.59 | neal | sounds horrible :) |
| 20:36.11 | neal | mccarthy : Does the ipaq have gstreamer support? |
| 20:36.20 | mccarthy | neal, I think so |
| 20:36.27 | mccarthy | (what part sound horrible?) |
| 20:36.39 | glombool | Ah, I suppose it is the prebuilt for my machine. It is the deb file for ubuntu. Do I need to build it from src for the target machine using toolchain? |
| 20:36.47 | neal | mccarthy : #4 |
| 20:36.56 | glombool | ..and yes, it couldn't find the .pc file. |
| 20:37.06 | mccarthy | neal, I agree. whose idea was this autotools thing anyway ;) |
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| 20:37.41 | mccarthy | glombool, it is *much* easier to use openembedded and bitbake than to try to kludge together a build toolchain yourself |
| 20:38.08 | mccarthy | except that gpe-calendar won't build with it at present (damn florian and neal with the L/GPL debate ;) |
| 20:38.31 | mccarthy | I guess, unless you use a whole bunch of specific SRCDATES entries |
| 20:38.33 | neal | arg, libsoundgen is esd based |
| 20:38.44 | neal | gstreamer would be easier |
| 20:39.23 | neal | mccarthy : If you write the code for gpe-calendar and test it, I'll write the gstreamer support |
| 20:39.42 | neal | mccarthy : (You can test it by replacing the make sound with a print statement) |
| 20:39.44 | mccarthy | neal, I am not sure what you mean |
| 20:40.02 | neal | mccarthy : There needs to be some support in gpe-calendar, right? |
| 20:40.03 | mccarthy | I have something that works here now |
| 20:40.11 | neal | gpe-calendar works, right :) |
| 20:40.13 | mccarthy | I needed to add two lines of code to gpe-calendar |
| 20:40.17 | neal | oh. |
| 20:40.19 | neal | ok. |
| 20:40.28 | neal | well, I'll add the support |
| 20:40.36 | neal | I just wrote and debugged a shit load of gstreamer stuff |
| 20:40.39 | mccarthy | I added soundgen_alarm_start when you do a "alarm_show_dialog" or similar |
| 20:40.54 | mccarthy | and a soundgen_alarm_stop when you do an alarm acknowledged |
| 20:41.03 | neal | (for starling, if you want a music player for your handheld) |
| 20:41.18 | mccarthy | neal, cool about the music player |
| 20:41.26 | neal | mccarthy : So the desired behavior is a repeating sound until acknowledged? |
| 20:41.31 | mccarthy | there has been a whole bunch *started* then mostly abandonded |
| 20:41.34 | neal | like every 5 minutes annoying sound? |
| 20:41.38 | glombool | mccarthy I'm using the openembedded toolchain from florian |
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| 20:41.47 | mccarthy | the one I used the most was pb's old gpe-nm (I thinkit was called) |
| 20:42.31 | neal | so, just describe the behavior you want and I'll do it inthe next few days |
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| 21:07.47 | mccarthy | neal Aside from it being a bit weird that the acknowledge does not necessarily match up with the alarm that triggered the audible noises, I think the "behavior" I want is produced just fine with what I wrote today |
| 21:08.49 | mccarthy | If i make a libsoundgen and gpe-calendar patch then you can reproduce what I did on your own machines and see how it would best be re-created using gstreamer rather than esd if you want ... |
| 21:14.27 | mccarthy | hmm how do I do a proper patch from an svn diff? |
| 21:14.42 | neal | svn diff -up? |
| 21:14.53 | neal | do you use emacs? |
| 21:14.59 | neal | get the psvn module |
| 21:15.07 | mccarthy | I do not use emacs |
| 21:15.13 | neal | Word? |
| 21:15.18 | mccarthy | gedit |
| 21:15.30 | neal | can't help you there :-) |
| 21:15.39 | mccarthy | or did you mean "Word?" as in "REally?" |
| 21:15.47 | mccarthy | ;) |
| 21:15.56 | mccarthy | then ,yes |
| 21:15.57 | neal | I won't answer that. |
| 21:16.19 | mccarthy | (I hang around 19 year olds too much) |
| 21:16.30 | neal | apparently |
| 21:16.38 | mccarthy | (although I don't believe anyone has used that type of slang since *I* was 19) |
| 21:16.39 | neal | Why don't they call it Sentence? |
| 21:17.15 | mccarthy | I always thought it was (very) short for "that's the final word" or similar |
| 21:22.42 | mccarthy | I am trying to put my (maybe totally wrong syntax) patches into a pastebin, but it is *horribly* slow ... |
| 21:22.53 | mccarthy | ok |
| 21:22.57 | mccarthy | one is doneL |
| 21:23.04 | neal | svn diff is fast |
| 21:23.10 | mccarthy | http://pastebin.com/890181 |
| 21:23.23 | mccarthy | I did svn diff, but I needed to give it to *you*, right? |
| 21:23.35 | neal | sure |
| 21:23.53 | neal | mccarthy : Do you use latex? |
| 21:24.00 | mccarthy | neal, yes |
| 21:24.14 | neal | do you know tikz? |
| 21:24.41 | neal | I'm using it right now |
| 21:24.45 | neal | I thought I'd recommend it |
| 21:24.47 | neal | it's amazing |
| 21:25.07 | mccarthy | btw, I did *not* fiddle with the license of libschedule, although technically I should probably ask the other contributors if it is OK that the GPL's code from gpe-announce is used in an LGPL'd library like libsoundgen (but I figured that it sounded like you were re-writing it anyway) |
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| 21:25.21 | mccarthy | neal, never heard of tikz |
| 21:25.26 | mccarthy | I will look ... |
| 21:25.54 | mccarthy | florian__, you missed me throwing out beautiful academe-centric L/GPL analogies :) |
| 21:26.13 | mccarthy | neal, and http://pastebin.com/890186 |
| 21:26.26 | mccarthy | those two should have working gpe-calendar audible alarms |
| 21:26.39 | neal | ok, thanks |
| 21:26.50 | neal | I need to finish what I'm working on |
| 21:26.57 | neal | within the next couple of hours |
| 21:27.03 | neal | so I may not get to it until tomorrow |
| 21:28.06 | mccarthy | neal, no hurry. I have my local copy working so I will not miss my apointments for tomorrow ;) |
| 21:28.18 | neal | that's good |
| 21:28.25 | mccarthy | neal, no debs for tikz? (on Ubuntu) |
| 21:28.37 | neal | unlike |
| 21:28.44 | neal | they are there fore debian |
| 21:29.16 | neal | try pgf |
| 21:29.58 | mccarthy | pgf is there ... |
| 21:32.45 | florian__ | mccarthy: too bad :-) |
| 21:32.47 | florian__ | re |
| 21:33.51 | mccarthy | although neal will get mad and not incorporate my audible alarms, I think that LGPL is the way to go (for now) |
| 21:34.07 | mccarthy | GPE needs a boost |
| 21:34.26 | mccarthy | the "death" of familiar (IMHO) has severely slowed our momentum |
| 21:34.41 | florian | indeed |
| 21:34.55 | mccarthy | I am still a bit offended that openmoko is not going to use gpe-calendar :( |
| 21:35.24 | mccarthy | but I guess I could understand why syncing is *critically* important, and using ESD is a good way for them to go |
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| 21:36.56 | YoG_ | hi, does anybody here knows how to disable autorotation? |
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| 21:40.46 | mimecar | i |
| 21:43.24 | florian | mccarthy: same here, but I'd better not comment on the reasons i suspect :-) |
| 21:44.31 | Henkie- | familiar is discontinued? |
| 21:45.48 | florian | YoG_: on a zaurus? |
| 21:46.04 | YoG_ | florian, yes |
| 21:46.33 | florian | mccarthy: well, but i must admit that i'm still not convinced of eds on mobile devices. |
| 21:47.30 | florian | Henkie-: i don't really know, but most developers were locked out or scared away. |
| 21:47.53 | Henkie- | florian, why if i may ask? |
| 21:48.23 | Henkie- | and what would be an alternative to setup on my h2200? |
| 21:48.47 | Henkie- | dont mind compiling it myself, if there are some docs on it |
| 21:48.55 | florian | YoG_: that might be configurable in zaurusd, RP should know. |
| 21:50.14 | RP | YoG_: Its hackable in on of the scripts in zaurusd, I can't remeber which offhand, its been a while since I last looked at it |
| 21:51.00 | YoG_ | thanx for the tip guys... |
| 21:51.08 | hvontres|poodle | Henkie-: I think Angstrom might work on a h2200... I know koen has one..:) |
| 21:52.52 | Henkie- | hvontres|poodle, got an url? http://www.angstrom.com/ doesnt seem to be it |
| 21:53.07 | florian | Henkie-: as i was one of the people who was locked out i might be the wrong one to ask. |
| 21:54.01 | Henkie- | florian, ah i see |
| 21:54.25 | florian | Henkie-: i think someone got just crazy... he even locked parts of the hh.org wiki |
| 21:55.03 | Henkie- | florian, maybe the tiny screen drove him to it |
| 21:56.22 | florian | Henkie-: interesting theory ;) in fact this person is not really a pda hacker. |
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| 21:57.14 | florian | Henkie-: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org |
| 21:57.30 | Henkie- | florian, it was more of a wild guess than a real theory :) |
| 21:57.33 | Henkie- | ah, tnx |
| 21:58.27 | Henkie- | sweet, even has h2200 install instructions :) |
| 21:58.54 | YoG_ | florian, RP, thanx - it's /etc/zaurusd/scripts/zaurus-hinge |
| 22:00.22 | florian | :-) |
| 22:03.20 | Henkie- | hmm |
| 22:03.31 | Henkie- | i'll have to kill windows mobile i see |
| 22:06.41 | florian | that's always a good idea :-) |
| 22:08.17 | mccarthy | florian, you have a theory why not gpe-calendar? (or did I read out of sync?) |
| 22:08.34 | Henkie- | hehe, but sometimes linux crashes, and booting to windows looked like a last resort :) |
| 22:08.42 | Henkie- | just started linux again w/ haret |
| 22:08.49 | Henkie- | # The rescue bootloader: If Contacts-Power-Reset is pressed when the 1st-stage bootloader starts, it loads and executes the rescue bootloader (112K). The rescue bootloader can save and restore the contents of internal flash to and from CF. |
| 22:09.16 | Henkie- | the reset button, is it the one on the front, or on the back (which requires a sharp object) |
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| 22:29.27 | mccarthy | Henkie-, my guess would be the back one (but I only have an h5550) |
| 22:30.06 | Henkie- | mccarthy, i guess i have tiny hands, because it seems almost impossible :( |
| 22:30.34 | mccarthy | Henkie-, maybe I am wrong |
| 22:30.38 | mccarthy | later all |
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| 22:51.43 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 22:52.50 | florian | hi CoreDump|home |
| 22:54.52 | YoG_ | goodnight |
| 23:01.06 | Henkie- | damn |
| 23:01.18 | Henkie- | angstrom instructions suddenly stop |
| 23:01.27 | Henkie- | flashed the bootloader |
| 23:01.34 | Henkie- | and than nothing |
| 23:05.51 | florian | ibot: seen koen? |
| 23:06.23 | ibot | koen <n=koen@dominion.kabel.utwente.nl> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 1h 30m 25s ago, saying: 'with jg saying "this is somewhere in athens"'. |
| 23:07.26 | florian | hrm |
| 23:08.01 | florian | Henkie-: i don't have experience with the h2200, its different because it uses LAB. it might be woth to contact the amgstrom mailinglist. |
| 23:08.08 | florian | s/woth/worth/ |
| 23:09.27 | Henkie- | florian, yeah maybe, i replaced the bootloader, only now i dont have anything |
| 23:09.43 | Henkie- | i expected a completed rootfs or something |
| 23:09.52 | Henkie- | now first trying to compile it from source |
| 23:10.16 | Henkie- | i'll also check the ml, cant be the first w/ this problem :) |
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| 23:49.46 | florian | neal: did you take a look at the patch on the mailinglist? |
| 23:50.01 | neal | it needs work |
| 23:50.21 | florian | oh well... |
| 23:50.42 | neal | I will commenton it later. |
| 23:50.47 | neal | Need to finish this and then go to bed. |