| 00:00.00 | jcole | ya, i know, so are .deb files |
| 00:00.33 | mmp | jcole: .src.deb, iirc... |
| 00:00.36 | jcole | so, one has to install something to get the source? |
| 00:01.22 | mmp | to get the source, you need to download the source from proper site - the sites vary and are usually mentioned in build recipes (bbfiles) in OE... |
| 00:01.36 | jcole | *sigh* |
| 00:01.57 | mmp | but if you aren't asking in general.. |
| 00:02.04 | mmp | I think there should be some place where there are GPE tarballs... |
| 00:02.45 | mmp | jcole: gpe sources should be here: http://gpe.linuxtogo.org/download/source/ |
| 00:03.11 | jcole | i would like to apt-get source all the installed apps on my device |
| 00:04.37 | mmp | let's say that this part of packaging system is more close to what e.g. gentoo does and a bit more far from debian:) |
| 00:04.39 | jcole | are those the only apps i need to have a full working pda? |
| 00:05.24 | mmp | there is no kernel (which is hosted on handhelds.org) and so... |
| 00:05.24 | jcole | gentoo downloads the source and compiles |
| 00:05.32 | mmp | jcole: so does the openembedded |
| 00:05.45 | mmp | but it creates the ipk's |
| 00:05.58 | jcole | i want to get the source and make.deb files |
| 00:06.38 | mmp | The most simple way should be to get OE tree and change the proper classes in it to create .deb archives |
| 00:06.39 | jcole | i've got debian on my handheld right now |
| 00:06.52 | jcole | but no gpe |
| 00:07.58 | jcole | btw, what codecs can gpe play? |
| 00:08.09 | emte | you might be hard pressed to get gpe into embedian |
| 00:08.28 | emte | gpe cant play codecs its not a media player |
| 00:08.33 | jcole | emte: i'm not using embedian |
| 00:08.46 | mmp | jcole: there are some media players; iirc they use gstreamer as a backend... |
| 00:08.51 | emte | you just said you have debian on your handheld |
| 00:09.11 | mmp | jcole: and there was also mplayer compiled for ARM somewhere in the universe:) |
| 00:09.51 | jcole | emte: i did a debootstrap of debian arm in a chroot and copied the dir onto a CF card to insert into my PDA |
| 00:10.26 | emte | i was under the impression that the ony debian project that supported arm was embedian |
| 00:10.53 | jcole | emte: linux is linux |
| 00:11.09 | jcole | emte: i'm running the familiar kernel |
| 00:11.12 | emte | if that were only true life would be much easier |
| 00:11.34 | jcole | emte: and the little X server |
| 00:11.41 | jcole | emte: everything else is debian |
| 00:12.27 | jcole | emte: my goal is to rid familiar completely and have pure debian |
| 00:13.20 | jcole | emte: i'm running xfce with some bits of gnome |
| 00:13.21 | mmp | jcole: I'm not sure, but in terms of software, you will probably need handhelds.org's kernel... |
| 00:13.42 | jcole | mmp: ya, the kernel part is tough |
| 00:13.59 | emte | jcole, if you dont want familiar use angstrom |
| 00:14.31 | mmp | jcole: if I can ask more general, why do you want use debian's packaging system instead of ipk? |
| 00:15.00 | jcole | mmp: i want the packages and the package system |
| 00:15.26 | jcole | mmp: i'm running gxine and epiphany-browser for example on my pda |
| 00:15.29 | emte | you would have to recompile all the packages |
| 00:16.01 | jcole | mmp: epiphany requires some gnome bits, but it works quite nice |
| 00:16.04 | mmp | jcole: ouch; at least the latter I can't imagine on 240x320 screen (if you don't use forwarding) |
| 00:16.20 | jcole | mmp: and the thunar file manager in xfce works pretty good |
| 00:16.30 | jcole | mmp: 480x640 actually |
| 00:16.35 | jcole | mmp: hx4700 |
| 00:16.52 | jcole | http://www.handhelds.org/projects/hx4700.html |
| 00:17.06 | mmp | ahh, thats roughly four times bigger situation than mine:) |
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| 00:17.32 | jcole | mmp: matchbox-window-manager is in debian and works well with a pda screen |
| 00:18.01 | JAV | hello |
| 00:18.33 | emte | gpe uses matchbox i think does it not |
| 00:18.41 | jcole | it does |
| 00:19.28 | emte | you seem to be going to a very work intensive route |
| 00:19.29 | jcole | metacity (gnome) and the xfce window managers don't work as well as matchbox on the little pda screen |
| 00:19.50 | jcole | emte: i want to make my pda useful :) |
| 00:19.57 | emte | since you will have to compile all the debs for arm |
| 00:19.57 | jcole | emte: and i want gtk |
| 00:20.08 | jcole | emte: i compile nothing |
| 00:20.16 | jcole | emte: all binary |
| 00:20.23 | mmp | jcole: well, many distributions make it already usable... :) |
| 00:20.23 | emte | you cant use standard x86debs |
| 00:20.45 | jcole | emte: http://www.debian.org/ports/ |
| 00:21.03 | jcole | emte: debian is compiled for many arches |
| 00:21.10 | jcole | emte: including arm |
| 00:21.38 | emte | btw ipkg supports deb if i remember correctly |
| 00:21.41 | emte | and rpm, |
| 00:22.29 | jcole | emte: for example -> http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gpe-edit/gpe-edit_0.25-1_arm.deb |
| 00:22.47 | mmp | jcole: but I guess debian will need few modifications before it can be fully usable the way you want... . |
| 00:22.58 | emte | yeah i belive the embedian people use them |
| 00:23.11 | jcole | emte: ya, but the dependencies/recommends/suggest/conflicts/replaces/etc. are different between debian and familiar |
| 00:23.14 | mmp | jcole: especially I think the size of packages will be quite limiting from the start... |
| 00:23.24 | jcole | mmp: right |
| 00:24.10 | jcole | mmp: i'm doing an "rm -rf /usr/share/doc" everytime i install a package |
| 00:24.13 | mmp | ipk's are currently quite tiny - even kernel modules are packaged almost one-by-one.. |
| 00:24.16 | mmp | ouch:) |
| 00:24.17 | jcole | mmp: it's a 512mb cf card |
| 00:25.09 | jcole | mmp: i'd like to get an arm version of http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ |
| 00:25.15 | jcole | mmp: it's based on debian too |
| 00:25.16 | mmp | jcole: and I'm not sure how will ARM processor be able to handle parsing whole debian's package list, which is nowadays quite long, at least for x86:) |
| 00:25.46 | hvontres|poodle | jcole: you might want to take a look at angstrom... koen is one of the main devs and he has an hx4700 as well :) |
| 00:27.10 | jcole | hvontres|poodle: what is angstrom? is it based on debian? |
| 00:27.24 | mmp | jcole: ipkg as well:) |
| 00:27.52 | mmp | jcole: one more thing - don't forget you are currently running on flash-memory, which "wears out" after some time - that it what debian currently doesn't handle... . |
| 00:29.22 | mmp | (there are some modifications in usual distributions, which attempt to minimize writes to permanent storage) |
| 00:30.09 | jcole | mmp: i read something about "Why jffs?" |
| 00:30.26 | jcole | mmp: is that done at the filesystem level or app level? |
| 00:30.58 | mmp | jffs is filesystem, but it is intended to run only on MTD |
| 00:31.16 | mmp | I'm afraid you will not be able to use it on standard block devices. |
| 00:32.03 | jcole | mmp: it would be nice if a new arm arch could be added to debian with these modifications you are talking about |
| 00:32.30 | jcole | mmp: i'm running debian from my CF card |
| 00:32.34 | jcole | mmp: ext3 |
| 00:33.10 | mmp | jcole: maybe a bit intrusive question, but - why to not take the other way and not to add packages you are missing to openembedded (thus, into quite many PDA distributions:) |
| 00:34.28 | mmp | But on both points there will be a lot of work. |
| 00:34.34 | hvontres|poodle | jcole : try here: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org |
| 00:34.41 | jcole | mmp: ya, i guess i could install the stuff needed to do the openembedded stuff... i've done a few debian contributions since it's really easy to make a change to source and upload |
| 00:35.07 | mmp | jcole: and to learn more about openembedded, try www.openembedded.org |
| 00:35.47 | jcole | mmp: nice, he's got enlightenment as default |
| 00:38.05 | mmp | hmm, it's quite late (or, even better, quite early again:), good night:) |
| 00:38.14 | jcole | thanks mmp |
| 00:38.23 | mmp | jcole: np, gladly:) |
| 00:44.54 | jcole | thanks hvontres|poodle too! |
| 00:44.58 | jcole | later all |
| 00:45.04 | jcole | i'll be back... |
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| 10:36.31 | mrspock1980 | Good morning! |
| 10:37.11 | mrspock1980 | does anybody know, where I tell gkdial which modem to use? |
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| 10:51.39 | florian_kc | good morning |
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| 10:55.23 | rob_w | funny ,.. now i iinstalled a fresh bootstap image .. took additional the neeed gtk and x packages and again gtk 2.10.6 .. but now it is slower again .. before it was hugly fast ? |
| 11:32.31 | rob_w | what coul dit be ?? |
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| 12:14.42 | bedboi | hi there. |
| 12:14.59 | bedboi | anyone is going to issue a paper for the embedded room at fosdem? |
| 12:15.21 | florian_kc | hi bedboi |
| 12:16.18 | bedboi | hey florian |
| 12:53.44 | philippe | bedboi: I hope so :-) So are you volunteering for doing that? |
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| 14:39.13 | tnb | florian_kc: the OE sdk that you pointed me to last week did not have the link problem. |
| 14:39.30 | tnb | (the PKG_CONFIG stuff works) |
| 14:40.19 | bedboi | philippe: i could coauthor if somebody has something to present |
| 14:40.23 | bedboi | i think i will be there. |
| 14:46.04 | florian_kc | tnb: ok that's good to know |
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| 16:39.31 | Genesis | bye |
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| 17:14.58 | tnb | florian_kc: I was wrong. Using PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/local/arm/oe/arm-linux/lib/pkgconfig does not work. Many link errors exist. |
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| 17:15.24 | tnb | florian_kc: I was using PKG_CONFIG_PATH pointing to my OE work directory. |
| 17:16.38 | florian_kc | tnb: hrm strange, what did you build? |
| 17:16.54 | tnb | very simple glade app. Just had a label, text box and button |
| 17:17.23 | florian_kc | tnb: strange... i'm pretty sure i did something like this with this toolchain before. |
| 17:18.31 | tnb | florian_kc: I did ./configure --host arm-linux --exec-prefix=/usr/local/arm/oe/arm-linux PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/local/arm/oe/arm-linux/lib/pkgconfig |
| 17:21.29 | florian_kc | tnb: hmm, and /usr/local/arm/oe/bin/ is in PATH? |
| 17:21.49 | florian_kc | do you really need to set exec-prefix? |
| 17:23.35 | tnb | florian_kc: duh, bad day here. Go back to the first thing I said. It works. :-/ |
| 17:24.03 | florian_kc | heh ok :-) |
| 17:24.04 | tnb | florian_kc: I had the env messed up |
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| 18:06.40 | florian_kc | bbl |
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| 18:13.18 | prpplague | pb_: ping |
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| 18:43.13 | jcole | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HpIpaqHx4700?action=diff |
| 18:43.31 | jcole | someone deleted my link? |
| 18:43.37 | jcole | why? |
| 18:44.37 | jcole | ah |
| 18:44.38 | jcole | "Suggestion from an hx4700 wiki pages comaintainer: as soon as it is available, feel free to link this page from main hx4700 pages. But please don't put it into navbar - there're already too much stuff there, and we actually moving into direction of having consistent navbar for all port pages, see PortingProjectFrontpageTemplate." |
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| 19:29.19 | florian | re |
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| 22:04.41 | mimecar | hi |
| 22:04.52 | florian | hi mimecar |
| 22:05.31 | mimecar | evening florian |
| 22:05.36 | mimecar | is friday :) |
| 22:06.01 | florian | yeah, hacking day |
| 22:06.14 | mimecar | hacking day ? |
| 22:06.20 | mimecar | more or less, "holiday" day |
| 22:06.34 | florian | i'm on our monthly local hacker meeting |
| 22:06.56 | mimecar | interesting |
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| 22:34.22 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 22:34.48 | florian | pb_: hi! |
| 22:51.49 | florian | grm.. getting syncml server support into gpe seems to be more complicated than expected |
| 22:52.01 | florian | s/than/then |
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