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| 11:18.13 | florian | good morning |
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| 13:36.50 | JAV | hello |
| 13:37.51 | florian | hi JAV |
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| 14:47.04 | CoreDump|home | hi |
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| 16:46.16 | mimecar | hi |
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| 19:15.26 | mimecar | hi florian |
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| 20:40.00 | jcole | dudes |
| 20:40.10 | florian | hi jcole |
| 20:40.56 | jcole | can one add ipk sources to a sources.list on a debian system? |
| 20:42.16 | jcole | hi florian |
| 20:43.07 | jcole | i got debian to run on my ipaq hx4700 |
| 20:43.14 | florian | jcole: no, that will mess up your system (if it works at all) |
| 20:43.24 | florian | oh |
| 20:43.47 | jcole | i'm playing with xfce right now... gpe is not complete in current debian |
| 20:43.56 | jcole | etch |
| 20:43.58 | florian | jcole: you might try to install single ipk packages, but make sure they are binary compatible. |
| 20:44.04 | jcole | seems to be |
| 20:44.18 | florian | jcole: indeed, it is incomplete and outdated. |
| 20:45.09 | jcole | xfce seems pretty snappy... i'm using the matchbox windows manager and it's working quite well |
| 20:45.14 | jcole | window |
| 20:46.01 | jcole | i'm using a hybrid familiar/debian since debian does not have a configured kernel/X from my hx4700 |
| 20:46.07 | jcole | for |
| 20:59.32 | florian | wohoooo! |
| 21:00.10 | florian | I finally managed to make gpe-scap submit a vaild form to scap.linuxtogo.org |
| 21:17.54 | jcole | what are other slim browsers such as minimo |
| 21:26.14 | florian | jcole: gpe-mini-browser, dillo |
| 21:31.12 | CoreDump|afk | florian: yay =) |
| 21:51.50 | florian | hmm... some updates for the html generation and a clanup function and we have a go for it. |
| 22:00.38 | florian | I would like to move the wikis to ltg as well... any reasons not to do this? |
| 22:02.48 | florian | france__ killed the cvstrac process and at the current point i can't see any indication that my account will be activated again. |
| 22:03.05 | florian | so we lost a part of our development documentation |
| 22:06.57 | mmp | florian: and asking france to start it again? |
| 22:07.10 | mmp | maybe I'm just silly... |
| 22:07.28 | florian | mmp: he ignores my mails for almost two weeks now :-( |
| 22:09.25 | mmp | maybe he is just too busy... . I hope it did not came that far... . |
| 22:10.23 | florian | mmp: apart from this noone can trust him any longer... even if Nils' and my account gets activated again there is no guarantee that this won't happen again. |
| 22:11.15 | mmp | I'm afraid this is cursed circle :-( |
| 22:11.17 | florian | mmp: if he really wanted to deal with this matter he would do it |
| 22:13.04 | florian | mmp: no, not that... but all these bad words and that fighting wouldn't have been necessary at all. |
| 22:17.00 | mmp | :( I'm not here for very long time, but I'm afraid that when community around hho and gpe fragments, it is not very good - even without fragmentaiotn there are just too few people to do work on projects... . |
| 22:17.16 | mmp | (but that is only my personal subjective view etc.) |
| 22:18.03 | mmp | It would be nice to have the relattionship between gpe and hho a bit less cold :( |
| 22:19.54 | florian | mmp: basically yes, but at tis current stage hh.org doesn't seem to attract many new projects and/or developers at all. thats why we started with a little bit different project hosting platform... but basically you are right, unless things get more popular and can work together in future. |
| 22:20.14 | florian | mmp: i currentls have some hope a little bit competition is good for hh.org |
| 22:21.24 | mmp | hmm, I'm not sure it's good ground for competition - as far as I understand, hho projects without gpe aim more to hardware, and ltg goes more to software matters. |
| 22:21.46 | mmp | And one without another just doesn't have much reasons to exist. |
| 22:21.58 | mmp | *many reasons, sorry:) |
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| 22:23.14 | jcole | where is the X config file in familiar? |
| 22:24.15 | florian | mmp: A better relationship would something i'd love to see, but i'm really out of ideas how to improve the situation. George fought us as soon we raised the topic of moving GPE and not only in the public... like GPE would be his property. |
| 22:24.23 | mmp | jcole: I'm not sure, if there is not something in /etc, I would have look on X arguments (but those are just misty ideas) |
| 22:24.52 | florian | jcole: just some parameters to kdrive (/etc/X11/Xserver) |
| 22:25.42 | mmp | When I talked a bit with George, he seemed to be more unhappy that the community is fragmenting than angry about migration... . |
| 22:26.23 | florian | mmp: the hh.org admins changed from time to time... i hope there is a time for h.org after George and maybe somene who makes it what it was some time ago. |
| 22:27.21 | jcole | florian: hmm |
| 22:28.04 | mmp | florian: hmm, and one thing I noticed - you told you can't trust George - is it really that bad? Trust in opensource projects is in my view one of the most important things and saying you don't trust someone can break lots of things :( |
| 22:28.32 | mmp | I'm sorry if it sounds rude, just an idea that wanted to come out... . |
| 22:29.28 | florian | mmp: i do, if i ddin't trus in open source i would have given up a long time ago :-) |
| 22:30.17 | mmp | :) |
| 22:31.14 | florian | mmp: that's not too rude... its an important point, to some extend you can neglect the human relationships and the behaviour against each others, but sometimes you run out of power and if you come up with new ideas you maybe just wnat your freedom then. |
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| 22:43.23 | mmp | good night:) |