| 00:25.33 | florian | good night |
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| 08:33.24 | Genesis | hi |
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| 09:52.36 | florian_kc | good morning |
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| 15:35.03 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 15:35.18 | florian_kc | hi CoreDump|home |
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| 16:35.56 | Genesis | a+ |
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| 17:27.24 | prpplague | pb_: ping |
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| 18:40.36 | mreimer | hello all |
| 18:40.46 | prpplague | mreimer: greetings |
| 19:01.27 | mreimer | any gpe-calendar hackers around today? |
| 19:02.15 | mreimer | I have a teeny little feature request, or advice on where to look to put it in myself |
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| 19:06.28 | florian | re |
| 19:06.39 | mreimer | hi florian |
| 19:07.15 | florian | hi mreimer |
| 19:09.20 | pvanhoof | ey florian |
| 19:10.49 | florian | hi pvanhoof |
| 19:11.06 | pvanhoof | hi |
| 19:11.08 | mreimer | florian: I'd like to teach gpe-calendar to show the day name in the window titlebar; e.g. "Calendar - Tues Nov 14" rather than just "Calendar - Tuesday". Do you know off the top of your head where this code lives? |
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| 19:18.54 | mreimer | nm, I found it in the latest svn |
| 19:21.46 | florian | mreimer: ok, perfect.. and that before i managed to answer :-) |
| 19:21.57 | mreimer | :-) |
| 19:22.25 | mreimer | florian: do you think it would be acceptable to commit a fix to add the short day name to the window title bar? |
| 19:22.40 | mreimer | just need to add %a to two lines in main.c |
| 19:22.54 | mreimer | should still fit on 240x320 screens |
| 19:24.38 | florian | mreimer: sounds good to me, if you can test it before even better :-) |
| 19:24.53 | mreimer | ok, I'll do that when I get a chance |
| 19:25.46 | mreimer | florian: have you noticed a problem with the event dialog somehow grabbing the touchscreen so that it doesn't seem to respond any more? Once I get the event dialog dismissed it works again, but that's a bit of a trick when ts isn't working |
| 19:26.49 | florian | i remember that there was a matchbox bug causing this sometimes, but i thought that was fixed ages ago |
| 19:27.05 | XorA|gone | mreimer: I have no understanding of the gtkcalendar changes, it seems to just rename a function for no purpose |
| 19:27.09 | mreimer | I'm using 1.1-r0 |
| 19:27.15 | mreimer | XorA|gone: that's fun :-) |
| 19:29.56 | rob_w | the hotplug script takes quite too long on my new unit ..also i see "connection refused" to /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket messages .. |
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| 19:34.46 | florian | rob_w: check if the environment is set up correctly |
| 19:34.58 | rob_w | like what ? |
| 19:35.31 | rob_w | dbus is after all running and i do have /var/run/dbus/ with pid and system_bus_socket as content |
| 19:36.06 | XorA|gone | florian: any idea what the gtk+-handhelds.patch is for~? |
| 19:36.43 | pvanhoof | I'm interested in integrating with calendaring applications |
| 19:36.47 | pvanhoof | I was thinking |
| 19:36.54 | pvanhoof | for mobile this is very important in my opinion |
| 19:37.11 | pvanhoof | we already have cwiiis's Dates and whatever gpe has at this moment |
| 19:37.37 | pvanhoof | from a E-mail application/framework developer's perspective , what I have is decoded .ics MIME parts in memory |
| 19:37.51 | rob_w | i no .. xfbdev crashes and is stuck when attaching to /dev/input/mice .. now i ve to go through the whole boot again .. |
| 19:37.52 | pvanhoof | I want to feed those to the calendaring application, you know |
| 19:37.54 | pvanhoof | meeting requests |
| 19:38.07 | pvanhoof | and visa versa, I want the calendaring application to get a list of accounts |
| 19:38.17 | pvanhoof | transport-accounts or send-accounts (however you want to call them) |
| 19:38.28 | pvanhoof | and send meeting updates over them |
| 19:38.35 | pvanhoof | that's two major interfaces |
| 19:38.47 | pvanhoof | one for the E-mail application, and one for the calendaring application |
| 19:39.02 | florian | XorA|gone: several stuff to improve gtk with touchscreen devices and small screens |
| 19:39.05 | pvanhoof | I think we should get people's heads together about this, and come up with a standard |
| 19:39.21 | pvanhoof | for example using DBUS or by pigeons |
| 19:39.26 | XorA|gone | florian: its main patch seems to just rename a function, I dont understand why |
| 19:39.38 | pvanhoof | how, isn't extremely important |
| 19:39.48 | pvanhoof | that it's standardized, is |
| 19:40.09 | florian | XorA|gone: huh... which one? |
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| 19:40.44 | pvanhoof | opinions? |
| 19:40.51 | pvanhoof | I know Chris Lord doesn't have a lot time to get something like this done in his Dates |
| 19:40.59 | pvanhoof | so yes, we will have to patch his Dates to support this standard |
| 19:40.59 | XorA|gone | florian: gtk_calendar_select_day becomes gtk_calendar_do_select_day but I cant see any functional differences, and the old gtk_calendar_select_day just calls gtk_calendar_do_select_day |
| 19:41.15 | pvanhoof | which isn't a big problem. But I'm not going to do such patches before there's some sort of agreement |
| 19:41.20 | pvanhoof | and once I have that agreement |
| 19:41.28 | pvanhoof | I will develop tinymail components that implement talking that standard |
| 19:41.40 | florian | pvanhoof: that's true... well, the most simple thing would be have a trivial interface to handle a specific mime types for the apps and handling the "mailto:" urls in tinymail |
| 19:42.31 | XorA|gone | I have just I think merged in singleclick.patch and spinbutton.patch into 2.10.6 so gtk+-handhelds would be last outstanding patch |
| 19:42.35 | pvanhoof | mailto is going to be something that the application on top of tinymail will have to implement using for example getopt, unless you mean a DBUS interface |
| 19:43.28 | pvanhoof | sending a mail, with a body and an attachment and things like that .. that I can implement as a service |
| 19:43.53 | pvanhoof | for the other direction, I would need something to tell the calendaring application: here, a meeting request |
| 19:43.55 | pvanhoof | store it |
| 19:44.06 | pvanhoof | and of course: give me a list of calendaring applications that support this |
| 19:44.10 | pvanhoof | things like that |
| 19:45.24 | pvanhoof | florian, can you (or somebody else) get the people involved in calendaring together? |
| 19:45.25 | florian | in gpe we did this with the transport tools so far - they checked for the incoming file and if necessary started the import. |
| 19:46.11 | pvanhoof | integrating calendaring and e-mail is way to simple not to do it, in my opinion |
| 19:46.21 | pvanhoof | but it does require some agreeing |
| 19:47.19 | pvanhoof | and once that dbus? standard is available .. I can probably implement the integration in 30 minutes as a standard optional component for tinymail |
| 19:47.25 | florian | pvanhoof: that would be neal, pb_ and mccarthy who did major parts of gpe-calendar |
| 19:47.41 | pvanhoof | neal, pb_ ? alive? :) |
| 19:47.47 | pvanhoof | if so, let's do it now? |
| 19:48.40 | florian | pvanhoof: that's true, dbus is the right choice... i'd just transfer vcal/ical files |
| 19:48.46 | pvanhoof | right |
| 19:49.01 | pvanhoof | I would also involve Chris Lord and o-hand (and I don't care if there's a political reason not to do that) |
| 19:49.23 | pvanhoof | I insist that Dates is something I want to see adopting such a standard then |
| 19:51.07 | florian | pvanhoof: involving chris is a good idea one more experienced head to think about it and two implementations to start with is better than one |
| 19:51.16 | pvanhoof | correct |
| 19:51.31 | pvanhoof | and I would have to have yet another --with-calendaring-integration=something switch in tinymail |
| 19:51.50 | pvanhoof | HTML components is one , but simple things like some easy and silly d-bus standards ... |
| 19:51.58 | pvanhoof | s/have/hate |
| 19:53.03 | pvanhoof | anyway, I'll wait with ranting for when pb_ , neal and mcarthy are back :) |
| 19:53.06 | pvanhoof | and cwiiis |
| 19:53.36 | pvanhoof | evolution is unlikely to implement such a standard .. but we don't have to care about it |
| 19:54.12 | florian | heh |
| 19:54.14 | XorA|gone | evolution would have to work before defining standards :-) |
| 19:54.55 | pvanhoof | maybe we should also get the crazy qtopia people onboard |
| 19:54.55 | pvanhoof | but |
| 19:55.21 | pvanhoof | don't listen to much if it's clear that they are planning to sell more qtopia via this standard |
| 19:56.18 | pvanhoof | okay, should I do a blog about it? |
| 19:56.24 | florian | pvanhoof: it might be worth talking to ljp, but he isn't easy to convince of ideas that are not his own ones. |
| 19:56.44 | pvanhoof | ljp is a qtopia developer? |
| 19:57.14 | florian | pvanhoof: he is the "community manager" for qt/e |
| 19:57.20 | pvanhoof | aha |
| 19:57.36 | pvanhoof | managers who try to persuade people with ideas are usually foolish and funny |
| 19:58.05 | pvanhoof | I hope he knows that? ;) |
| 19:58.46 | pvanhoof | florian, are you btw planning to check out t-dose? |
| 20:00.27 | florian | pvanhoof: might be cool, but i have some fear that this is too close to a business trip to china |
| 20:00.40 | pvanhoof | I see |
| 20:00.40 | rob_w | there u go .. i ve a matchbox up .. hurray |
| 20:01.19 | florian | oh well... "business trip to china" sounds scary |
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| 20:21.08 | rob_w | das Xfbdev have problems with 2 input devices ?? |
| 20:24.45 | XorA|gone | rob_w: most likely it does if you cant get it to work |
| 20:25.01 | XorA|gone | rob_w: I heard rumours current git supports hotplugged mice though, maybe that works better |
| 20:27.23 | Philippe | hi there folks |
| 20:29.09 | rob_w | XorA|gone, i see usb mouse and the inbuild synptics stick working nice ( which is probably also usb or evdev) but as soon as i point Xfbdev to my /dev/ttyS0 ( touchscreen ) it just stays black and hangs |
| 20:30.47 | XorA|gone | rob_w: I assume over software can talk to the serial port touchscreen |
| 20:31.57 | XorA|gone | rob_w: woudltn be anything to do with the no-serial-probing.patch? |
| 20:32.03 | XorA|gone | applied in OE |
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| 20:48.42 | rob_w | XorA|gone, which patch ur talking .. actually this image i use is some weeks ( months maybe ) old |
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| 20:54.10 | XorA|gone | rob_w: removes /dev/ttyS0 /dev/ttyS1 from being probed for mice |
| 20:55.54 | rob_w | where is this patch , can you point me to it ? |
| 20:57.52 | rob_w | got it |
| 21:00.43 | rob_w | XorA|gone, ok i have to retry Xfbdev with #define BREAK_MY_SERIAL_CONSOLE :-) thanks |
| 21:06.47 | XorA|gone | rob_w: cool, you found it, I got called away by the Mrs Boss |
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| 21:55.48 | florian | ibot: seen france |
| 21:55.55 | ibot | france is currently on #gpe #familiar #oe #opie #handhelds.org, last said: 'California is nice this time of year'. |
| 22:14.58 | neal | pvanhoof : You were looking for me? |
| 22:15.08 | pvanhoof | yes |
| 22:15.25 | pvanhoof | did you receive the email? |
| 22:16.13 | neal | what email? |
| 22:16.27 | pvanhoof | http://pvanhoof.be/blog/index.php/2006/11/13/a-d-bus-standard-for-calendaring-stuff-between-applications |
| 22:16.29 | pvanhoof | about that one |
| 22:16.42 | pvanhoof | you are one of the gpe-calendar developers? |
| 22:17.04 | neal | if it's a bug, then no |
| 22:17.07 | neal | for praise, yes |
| 22:17.16 | pvanhoof | :) |
| 22:17.29 | pvanhoof | well, I'm that tinymail-thing author |
| 22:17.39 | pvanhoof | I'm planning to develop integration with calendaring applications |
| 22:17.53 | pvanhoof | by that I mean, telling such an application to store a meeting request |
| 22:18.03 | pvanhoof | and letting it mail updates to the meeting to the attendees |
| 22:18.06 | neal | I've read the blog |
| 22:18.10 | pvanhoof | ok :) |
| 22:18.13 | neal | but I can't find any email |
| 22:18.17 | pvanhoof | oh |
| 22:18.23 | pvanhoof | well, it has the same content |
| 22:18.33 | neal | where did you send it? |
| 22:19.06 | pvanhoof | neal@gnu.org |
| 22:19.13 | neal | hmm, maybe it is just the greylisting |
| 22:19.15 | neal | anyways |
| 22:19.32 | neal | sure, such an inteface makes sense |
| 22:20.00 | neal | I think dbus is horribly designed as it basically makes it impossible to implement isolation and other useful security policies |
| 22:20.07 | pvanhoof | yes, so my idea is to get Chris (Dates) interested, and to talk with the qtopia people |
| 22:20.18 | neal | but I'm not in a position to change it. |
| 22:20.26 | pvanhoof | yes, sure it's horribly designed. But it's some sort of standard |
| 22:20.53 | neal | I appear to have just gotten your e-mail |
| 22:21.24 | pvanhoof | ok |
| 22:21.52 | pvanhoof | anyway, if you think other people should be involved in this, just send them a forward and let the others know? |
| 22:21.57 | neal | do you have a specific proposal you are interested in receiving comments on? |
| 22:22.04 | neal | or? |
| 22:22.25 | pvanhoof | I'd like to hear from the others first |
| 22:22.33 | lucasvo | anyone know any difficulties with hx4700 and the 0.8.4 release? |
| 22:22.40 | lucasvo | it seems to hang on boot |
| 22:22.43 | pvanhoof | I'm actually going to be the peson who'll talk that standard as a client |
| 22:22.49 | pvanhoof | s/peson/person |
| 22:23.03 | pvanhoof | in the end, it's mostly you guys who'll have to implement it |
| 22:23.21 | florian | lucasvo: hmm.. that would be bad for a stable release if it doesn't even boot. |
| 22:23.21 | pvanhoof | so proposing a standard already might be a little bit "pushing" |
| 22:23.56 | lucasvo | florian: yeah |
| 22:24.46 | pvanhoof | neal, nevertheless .. I would be interested in helping (even developing it) with that implementation |
| 22:24.56 | pvanhoof | after, of course, an agreement on such a standard |
| 22:25.03 | florian | lucasvo: so i'd say its unlikely... but it might be worth to ask on the fammiliar mailinglist |
| 22:26.04 | neal | florian: I presume I need an account on ltg to check stuff in? |
| 22:26.11 | pvanhoof | hack, if you want to .. supply a libicalendar-ipc-dbus-server.so and a libicalendar-ipc-dbus-client.so |
| 22:26.24 | pvanhoof | s/hack/heck |
| 22:26.24 | pvanhoof | :) |
| 22:27.27 | florian | neal: yes, but you can create this on your own... use projects.linuxtogo.org, log in then and hit that membership request button at projects.linuxtogo.org/projects/gpe |
| 22:27.36 | neal | ok. |
| 22:27.39 | neal | I'll do that later. |
| 22:27.49 | florian | i realls should add a short note about this... |
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| 23:49.10 | florian | good night |
| 23:56.50 | Philippe | off to sleep, gn |