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| 08:33.00 | Genesis | hi |
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| 09:29.25 | obergix[work] | hi |
| 09:39.49 | Genesis | bijour obergix[work] |
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| 11:20.00 | florian_kc | hi all |
| 11:26.33 | CoreDump|afk | morning |
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| 11:35.14 | florian_kc | hi CoreDump|home |
| 11:36.11 | _law_ | hi all |
| 11:36.22 | _law_ | gpe boots on my palm t3 :-) |
| 11:37.57 | florian_kc | hrm... i can't log in to the hh.org geeklog anymore |
| 11:38.03 | florian_kc | _law_: cool! |
| 11:39.00 | florian_kc | _law_: that's still missing :-) |
| 11:39.26 | _law_ | florian_kc, i?ll send you a screenshot later.... |
| 11:40.05 | _law_ | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/PalmTungstenT3Status |
| 11:40.36 | _law_ | if bluetooth works i?ll flash my t3 (currently i boot via sd card) |
| 11:41.21 | florian_kc | _law_: oh, that looks quite impressive |
| 11:42.02 | florian_kc | _law_: hmm... bluetooth doesn't sound too complicated. do you have any idea what kind of module this is and how it is connected? |
| 11:43.00 | _law_ | florian_kc, http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/PalmTungstenT3Hardware there is a bluetooth section :-) |
| 11:45.14 | _law_ | i?ll try do build own images via OE after that i?ll take a look at this.... t3 would be a very nice small gpe-device... |
| 11:47.01 | florian_kc | _law_: that's the same like in the A780... so if it is connected to the BTUART pins it should just work. |
| 11:47.37 | florian_kc | _law_: yes indeed - and it is well known, easy to get and just a nice piece of hardware. |
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| 12:01.04 | _law_ | bbl cu |
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| 12:49.33 | florian_kc | hi mmp |
| 12:49.39 | mmp | hi florian_kc :) |
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| 14:44.14 | mccarthy | neal, are you around? |
| 14:44.21 | florian_kc | hi mccarthy |
| 14:44.28 | mccarthy | hi florian_kc |
| 14:45.56 | mccarthy | florian_kc, with koen out of the loop these days, who handles releases for familiar? |
| 14:48.07 | florian_kc | mccarthy: sounds like you missed quite some stuff in recent history.... reenoo does that now. |
| 14:48.19 | mccarthy | oh |
| 14:48.44 | mccarthy | isn't reenoo one of the folks that was upset with the LTG transition idea? |
| 14:49.03 | florian_kc | mccarthy: right |
| 14:49.21 | mccarthy | ahh. very good then. by which I mean, no actually, it sucks |
| 14:49.56 | florian_kc | XorA: don't worry, reenoo isn't here :-) |
| 14:50.45 | florian_kc | mccarthy: unluckily yes... (in fact i still have no idea why) |
| 14:53.13 | mccarthy | florian_kc, no offense (because I ultimately don't care who hosts things) but I never really understood how/why the benefits of the move justify the flames and bad feeling. Keeping a sub-optimal scenario but not "breaking up" would likely have been my choice. But I guess I missed the whole koen mess which might have contributed (i.e., things were apparently "breaking up" already :( ) |
| 14:55.03 | florian_kc | mccarthy: right... but i hope this is ancient history now. |
| 14:57.55 | mccarthy | florian_kc, yes. I hope so too, but it will truly suck (for me at least) if no one from familiar will work with LTG and a significant fraction of GPE developers chooses HH, while others choose LTG (i.e., a true fork) There are simply not enough developers *already* to be losing a bunch |
| 14:59.00 | florian_kc | mccarthy: indeed... in fact we should work on becoming more attractive for new devlopers. |
| 14:59.33 | mccarthy | easier said than done, I think :) |
| 14:59.37 | mccarthy | nice talking with you |
| 14:59.53 | mccarthy | if neal isn't around I am going to jet and check back later (I have a test to finish making) |
| 15:04.48 | florian_kc | But it would be necessary to improve documentation and make it more clear how to join and what this is all about... |
| 15:05.41 | florian_kc | XorA: I hope i don't say anything wrong now, but you are allowed to hang around without writing a single line of code :-) |
| 15:06.25 | XorA | currently I try setting up funambol server on my hosting, I want to try gpe->funambol |
| 15:08.38 | florian_kc | XorA: ohhh cool, that's a nice idea... maybe the new opensync ui can be made to work on pdas. if the opensync syncml thingy works with funambol that would be more or less what we need. |
| 15:09.17 | XorA | florian_kc: yeah, thats what I figured, and it will sync my Outlook/Pocket Outlook stuff to GPE as well |
| 15:09.47 | florian_kc | XorA: right - that would open doors to quite some software |
| 15:20.23 | XorA | florian_kc: I shall keep you posted, tomcat isnt my speciality, I once got stuff to run on it, now I forget all |
| 15:20.58 | florian_kc | XorA: don't worry... i never touched something like this at all. |
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| 16:16.02 | florian_kc | _law_: wb |
| 16:16.04 | florian_kc | hi bedboi |
| 16:16.28 | bedboi | hey florian_kc |
| 16:16.46 | _law_ | hi florian_kc |
| 16:17.40 | bedboi | i've read about the devmand project, is there something going on? |
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| 16:22.36 | florian_kc | bedboi: everyone is waiting for RP to check in the initial bits.. but he seems to be terribly busy |
| 16:22.53 | florian_kc | hi goxboxlive |
| 16:23.08 | goxboxlive | hi florian_kc |
| 16:23.41 | XorA | its running on OZ |
| 16:25.50 | bedboi | florian_kc: so RP should have some code around? |
| 16:26.08 | florian_kc | bedboi: yep, from zaurusd |
| 16:27.10 | bedboi | florian_kc: is it built using GObjects? |
| 16:28.18 | florian_kc | bedboi: i must admit that i didn't look at the code so far... |
| 16:28.37 | bedboi | ok, btw is it C? |
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| 16:48.16 | JAV | hello |
| 16:49.45 | florian_kc | bedboi: i would really wonder if RP used anything else than C and shell scripts... |
| 16:49.50 | florian_kc | hi JAV |
| 16:50.09 | bedboi | florian_kc: ;) |
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| 17:10.29 | mccarthy | if you build it, they will move (and develop) ... |
| 17:11.50 | Genesis | bye |
| 17:14.00 | mccarthy | neal, can you hear me now ...? |
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| 17:32.19 | florian_kc | ~lart reenoo for beeing that childish |
| 17:38.11 | bedboi | florian_kc: what's up? |
| 17:42.00 | florian_kc | bedboi: he replaced the gpe website forward at hh.org with an old file |
| 17:42.15 | bedboi | what? |
| 17:42.34 | bedboi | on ltg? |
| 17:43.06 | florian_kc | bedboi: no, the one at hh.org contained a notice and a redirect to ltg. |
| 17:43.28 | florian_kc | he overwrote the file and made it not writable for the gpe group anymore |
| 17:45.37 | bedboi | ah |
| 17:46.24 | bedboi | don't know if this situation has any polite solution. |
| 17:49.15 | florian_kc | I can't see a valid reason why it shouldn't... |
| 17:53.29 | bedboi | when someone gets pissed off it is difficult to find some tradeoff |
| 17:56.40 | florian_kc | that's true, but that's no reason to stop discussing and starting to behave childish. |
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| 18:01.29 | bedboi | florian_kc: i wan't saying that. Btw when changing house it is not simple for all to understand if the new house is populated and the old one is dismissed...especially when discussions are still in place |
| 18:01.43 | bedboi | s/wan't/wasn't/ |
| 18:01.57 | bedboi | ~botsnack |
| 18:01.57 | ibot | :), bedboi |
| 18:03.09 | florian_kc | bedboi: true... but did you see a good argument for the old house from this side? |
| 18:05.31 | bedboi | florian_kc: i'm just saying that users and developers will be a little confused about ltg/hh stuff |
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| 18:06.18 | florian_kc | bedboi: indeed |
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| 18:22.24 | florian_kc | bbl |
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| 19:10.20 | mccarthy | neal, give me a holler is you show up |
| 19:10.20 | mccarthy | \s\is\if |
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| 19:19.01 | neal | mccarthy : Holler |
| 19:19.21 | mccarthy | so I have been trying to figure out your stuff to debug the alarm thingie |
| 19:19.28 | neal | great. |
| 19:19.54 | mccarthy | it seems that when we get to the alarms_process_pending routine the "data" pointer is not a valid event_db |
| 19:19.56 | mccarthy | (I think) |
| 19:20.13 | neal | I see. |
| 19:20.21 | mccarthy | this causes a crash where we ask libeventdb to "list_unacknowledged" |
| 19:20.44 | mccarthy | I am not particularly good at figuring some of the goofy pointer stuff in this kind of code though..... |
| 19:20.55 | mccarthy | It took me a bit to figure out how to get gtk_window_iconify working |
| 19:21.00 | neal | so it crashes in list_unacknowledged? |
| 19:21.05 | mccarthy | (and I still don't know why my first attempt failed) |
| 19:21.10 | neal | if you can get me a full backtrace, that would be very useful. |
| 19:21.13 | neal | (bt full) |
| 19:21.28 | mccarthy | do I need to compile both libeventdb and gpe-calendar with -g? |
| 19:21.40 | neal | if it is crashing in libeventdb, then yes. |
| 19:22.13 | mccarthy | I am pretty sure it is dying in list_unacknowledged, cause I did some old-fashion "printf("got here a\n" work :) |
| 19:22.25 | mccarthy | it makes it *to* that line, but not *beyond* that line |
| 19:23.10 | mccarthy | (BTW, I thought perhaps it would be useful to add a "close" that would really mean iconify, while leaving the "quit" to actually mean quit) |
| 19:24.17 | mccarthy | (for some reason I needed to set up a separate routine called gpe_cal_iconify that would be triggered by the g_signal_connect rather than simply using main_window as the data for the g_signal call ... no idea why I needed to do that) |
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| 19:26.14 | mccarthy | ok. running in gdb, I get this on stderr: |
| 19:26.18 | mccarthy | (gpe-calendar:7652): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: invalid unclassed type `(null)' in class cast to `EventDB' |
| 19:27.32 | mccarthy | the "bt full" is kinda long and may not paste well .... ? |
| 19:27.49 | neal | can you put it in a pastebin |
| 19:27.59 | mccarthy | no idea what that means :) |
| 19:28.29 | neal | http://pastebin.com/ |
| 19:28.35 | neal | for instance. |
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| 19:30.19 | mccarthy | I put it there as "mccarthy" (go figure) |
| 19:32.06 | mccarthy | ok. maybe I was wrong |
| 19:32.22 | mccarthy | I see a real looking pointer for event_db |
| 19:32.31 | mccarthy | but the list is NULL |
| 19:32.53 | mccarthy | (from list_unacknowledged) |
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| 19:44.27 | mccarthy | neal, if it helps at all, I am pretty sure things worked fine before the move from event-db.c to sqlite.c |
| 19:49.55 | neal | mccarthy : Do you have a URL? |
| 19:50.15 | neal | mccarthy I found it, never mind. |
| 19:50.41 | neal | mccarthy : Can you put a breakpoint at g_warning |
| 19:50.57 | neal | and then get a backtrace before the warnings. |
| 19:54.02 | mccarthy | I am not sure which g_warning you mean... |
| 19:54.23 | mccarthy | in sqlite.c I see a bunch of them in list_unack |
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| 22:24.38 | mimecar | hi |
| 22:52.30 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 22:55.13 | pvanhoof | does GPE's toolchain support AC_CONFIG_SUBDIRS ? |
| 22:55.20 | pvanhoof | it seems not |
| 23:09.25 | mmp | good night:) |
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| 23:10.51 | Skyhusker | hi |
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| 23:20.13 | florian | re |
| 23:25.28 | pvanhoof | florian, !! |
| 23:25.34 | pvanhoof | I really need you now :) |
| 23:25.41 | pvanhoof | we are trying to compile tinymail for gpe |
| 23:25.45 | pvanhoof | but the glib on it is 2.6 |
| 23:25.49 | pvanhoof | which has no gslice |
| 23:25.58 | pvanhoof | so, we are now trying to compile a glib 2.8 on it |
| 23:26.03 | pvanhoof | are we going to succeed you think? :) |
| 23:26.45 | pvanhoof | oh, florian does the toolchain of gpe support AC_CONFIG_SUBDIRS ? |
| 23:26.46 | florian | yes, you should be able to update glib without any trouble |
| 23:26.56 | pvanhoof | it seems we had to run the configure of a subdir manually |
| 23:27.13 | pvanhoof | which is not a big problem, just strange that the subdir didn't get configured :-\ |
| 23:27.26 | florian | pvanhoof: sorry for being slow, i returned hhome half an hour ago |
| 23:27.30 | pvanhoof | np |
| 23:27.42 | pvanhoof | Bart is joining |
| 23:27.50 | pvanhoof | it's his pocketpc :) |
| 23:28.06 | pvanhoof | it looks like he's having troubles avoiding the tests of configure to run |
| 23:28.17 | florian | pvanhoof: which toolchain for which device are you using? |
| 23:28.21 | pvanhoof | you know, they have to be ran by qemu when crosscompiling |
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| 23:28.28 | pvanhoof | ah, ask bart :) |
| 23:28.28 | florian | hi bart_ |
| 23:28.31 | pvanhoof | florian pvanhoof: which toolchain for which device are you using? |
| 23:29.02 | pvanhoof | bart_, according to florian it's not going to be difficult to get glib 2.8 running on gpe |
| 23:29.11 | pvanhoof | florian, is there a reason why glib 2.6 is shipped? |
| 23:29.35 | bart_ | florian, i've downloaded oe-sdk-20060304232054.tar.bz2 |
| 23:29.36 | pvanhoof | gslice is really something I don't want to remove from tinymail now :(, it does help with reducing heap-admin |
| 23:29.52 | pvanhoof | bart_, was that the last version? |
| 23:29.57 | pvanhoof | -- I don't know -- |
| 23:30.18 | bart_ | pvanhoof, i think so, but it seemed outdated though |
| 23:30.41 | pvanhoof | well, glib 2.6 is not extremely old .. it just not as hot as glib 2.8 :) |
| 23:31.29 | florian | pvanhoof: gtk 2.6 and noone used the newer features in familiar so far... |
| 23:31.40 | pvanhoof | gslice? |
| 23:32.06 | florian | familiar is outdated completely :-( |
| 23:32.28 | florian | in fact i doen't even know for which distribution to build a new toolcahin |
| 23:33.10 | pvanhoof | florian, you know whether or not the toolchain supports the AC_CONFIG_SUBDIRS macro? |
| 23:33.11 | florian | bart_: that should be the latest one |
| 23:33.36 | pvanhoof | libtinymail-camel/camel-lite has a configure.ac that must run |
| 23:33.44 | pvanhoof | so my root configure.ac uses the config_subdirs macro |
| 23:33.53 | pvanhoof | bart told me his didn't run |
| 23:33.59 | bart_ | florian, ok |
| 23:34.27 | florian | pvanhoof: shouldn't that be one of the really basic ones? |
| 23:34.40 | pvanhoof | right, that's why it seems strange to me |
| 23:34.50 | bart_ | florian, could i compile glib 2.8 (and tinymail) using scratchbox to complete our tests? |
| 23:34.58 | pvanhoof | anyway, it's not a big problem, we can run the configure of that dir manually of course |
| 23:35.36 | *** part/#gpe _law_ (n=_law_@213.173.86.202) |
| 23:35.59 | pvanhoof | florian, but btw .. nokia is paying me 8 hours / week for the next 8 weeks to work on tinymail |
| 23:36.09 | pvanhoof | this is current :) |
| 23:36.14 | pvanhoof | as in, happening |
| 23:36.48 | pvanhoof | and there's three other companies that have contacted me about tinymail |
| 23:36.58 | pvanhoof | and of course that company that you mentioned |
| 23:36.58 | florian | bart_: yes, i think so... but you need one with a hardfloat compiler for familiar |
| 23:37.31 | florian | bart_: which device and distribution do you use? |
| 23:37.59 | florian | pvanhoof: cool! |
| 23:38.38 | florian | pvanhoof: |
| 23:38.43 | pvanhoof | and my boss/full time employer told me that if I would like to startup a company (as sister company) for doing such devleopment, I would be allowed |
| 23:38.45 | pvanhoof | :) |
| 23:38.54 | pvanhoof | they are of course also very interested in all this |
| 23:39.17 | pvanhoof | but :), that would be competition of you guys I guess ? :) I shouldn't tell you! :D |
| 23:39.23 | pvanhoof | joke :) |
| 23:39.40 | pvanhoof | I'm not planning to take his offer on that (yet at least) |
| 23:39.46 | florian | i'd like to spend more time on keeping gpe+toolchains up to date for a recent device |
| 23:39.56 | bart_ | florian, its an hp2200 and i'm running familiar 0.8.4 |
| 23:40.28 | pvanhoof | and about tinymail: I only used a minimal amount of features from gtk= |
| 23:40.37 | pvanhoof | and from glib, i did use gslice |
| 23:40.46 | *** join/#gpe reenoo (n=r@p5489F584.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:40.55 | pvanhoof | so .. glib 2.8 with the standard gtk+ of familiar 0.8.4 should work I think |
| 23:40.56 | reenoo | evening |
| 23:41.12 | bart_ | florian, how about supporting the hp2200 :) |
| 23:41.13 | florian | pvanhoof: competition... yes, but i guess we could live together in this world ;) |
| 23:41.18 | pvanhoof | florian, sure :) |
| 23:42.08 | pvanhoof | florian, and you guys can hire , as I'm semi self employed, and cooperate that way too :). Or take the more expensive route and hire me via my full time employer |
| 23:42.09 | reenoo | pvanhoof: I do in fact have glib 2.10 and gtk+ 2.6 patched to build/work on familiar. the problem is half of gpe chokes on it without GSLICE=always-malloc due to sloppy memory management |
| 23:42.09 | pvanhoof | :D |
| 23:42.24 | pvanhoof | reenoo, cool |
| 23:42.33 | pvanhoof | reenoo, can you share these patches and work with bart_ ? |
| 23:42.58 | pvanhoof | we are trying to get a recent glib working on familiar so that we can compile tinymail on a GPE device for demo purposes |
| 23:42.59 | florian | bart_: yes, that would be good... |
| 23:43.14 | florian | pvanhoof: indeed :-) |
| 23:43.27 | reenoo | pvanhoof: I don't have access to my build machine right now, but I should be able to dig that out sometime next week |
| 23:43.37 | pvanhoof | that would be nice |
| 23:43.46 | pvanhoof | reenoo, bart_ can you guys get in touch? :) |
| 23:44.01 | pvanhoof | reenoo, bart is the person who owns the gpe device |
| 23:44.14 | pvanhoof | I'm the person who's making a e-mail framework for mobile devices called tinymail |
| 23:44.29 | pvanhoof | my plan is to do a video-demo showing tinymail's demoui on a GPE device |
| 23:45.27 | florian | reenoo: These issues and fixes for that would be a good topic for the mailinglist. |
| 23:45.54 | pvanhoof | bart_, rw@handhelds.org :) |
| 23:46.13 | pvanhoof | so you are one of the familiar developers reenoo ? |
| 23:46.16 | pvanhoof | ok, cool :) |
| 23:46.29 | reenoo | pvanhoof: that's correct |
| 23:46.52 | bart_ | reenoo, could you send us your patches with some instructions on how to compile/use them with familiar? |
| 23:47.01 | pvanhoof | I don't own a device that can run gpe, well I own a few nokia 770's |
| 23:47.28 | reenoo | bart_: I'll push the patches to a branch in our git repository and create a new feed for people to play with it |
| 23:47.35 | pvanhoof | bart owns a hp2200 :), so I've put the burden on him to put gpe on it so that we can do some tinymail testing :) |
| 23:47.53 | reenoo | pvanhoof: hehe, very good |
| 23:48.32 | bart_ | reenoo, nice! thx! |
| 23:48.32 | pvanhoof | and because tinymail makes heavy use of gslice, we need at least glib 2.8 |
| 23:48.32 | florian | pvanhoof: works as well, but i havn't build images for ages |
| 23:48.53 | reenoo | bart_: do you rely on an external toolchain or would our OE tree be sufficient? |
| 23:49.05 | florian | bart_: another option would be to use Angstöm - http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/ipaq-h2200-series |
| 23:49.18 | reenoo | bart_: the external toolchain building stuff was busted last I checked |
| 23:49.52 | florian | bart_: should be stable enough for a demo and is way more up to date |
| 23:51.28 | bart_ | reenoo, i tried florian's latest toolchain |
| 23:53.16 | bart_ | reenoo, i'm quite a noob to all this so oe tree is ok if you could give me some instructions ;) |
| 23:53.27 | pvanhoof | bart_, make sure to share your new knowledge with us on the mailing list(s) |
| 23:53.53 | pvanhoof | I'm going to read some more Chomsky :), before it's outdated because all republicans resign |
| 23:54.01 | bart_ | florian, thats nice! |
| 23:54.04 | reenoo | bart_: yah, my point is that it doesn't include the new glib/gtk+ and to build a new one the toolchain build recipes would have to be fixed |
| 23:54.09 | florian | pvanhoof: :-) |
| 23:54.27 | florian | pvanhoof: you are one of the reasons to read planet.gnome.org ;) |
| 23:54.31 | pvanhoof | florian, :) |
| 23:54.39 | bart_ | pvanhoof, i will :) |
| 23:54.48 | pvanhoof | oh lot people will contest your opinion on that ;) |
| 23:54.51 | reenoo | bart_: I can just as well build tinymail for you unless there are non-public changes you need |
| 23:55.06 | pvanhoof | according to some people, I'm the reason to install a filter :) |
| 23:55.24 | pvanhoof | reenoo, no, all is in the repo atm |
| 23:55.37 | pvanhoof | scn co https://svn.tinymail.org/svn/tinymail |
| 23:55.49 | pvanhoof | --enable-gnome=no and --with-platform=gpe |
| 23:56.00 | pvanhoof | s/scn/svn |
| 23:56.12 | reenoo | pvanhoof: ok, I'll give that a go as soon as I have access to my build machine then |
| 23:56.13 | pvanhoof | the enable-gnome=no is to disable gnomevfs support |
| 23:56.40 | bart_ | reenoo, that would help us lot :) thx! |
| 23:56.43 | pvanhoof | but it would be nice to have a little step-by-step on how to do it, because at some point I will develop and test with gpe too |
| 23:57.03 | pvanhoof | for example data alignment in the mmap might be device specific |
| 23:57.11 | pvanhoof | that's things I would like to test |
| 23:57.49 | reenoo | pvanhoof: as far as familiar is concerned there are some preliminary instructions on how to set up a build environment on familiar.handhelds.org |
| 23:57.49 | pvanhoof | not sure if qemu will even emulate that correctly for me |
| 23:58.04 | reenoo | pvanhoof: it should |
| 23:58.31 | pvanhoof | aha, would be interesting if qemu would do it right |
| 23:58.32 | pvanhoof | s/would/does |
| 23:58.55 | reenoo | pvanhoof: we're not using eabi, so there shouldn't be any surprises with qemu |
| 23:59.16 | pvanhoof | so simply launching the familiar image with it would work? |