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| 08:30.28 | florian_kc | good morning |
| 08:34.11 | XorA | hey florian_kc |
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| 10:04.56 | florian_kc | I compiles Erik's docbook manuals... |
| 10:05.00 | florian_kc | http://www.kernelconcepts.de/~fuchs/gpe/doc/usermanual/usermanual.html |
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| 12:07.19 | florian_kc | hey mmp |
| 12:08.07 | florian_kc | mmp: could you send me your gconf-dbus package? my build tree for familiar seems to be broken :-/ |
| 12:09.56 | mmp | in a minute. i accidentally booted winxp on my laptop and now it's insttalling pdates. |
| 12:10.26 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 12:10.32 | florian_kc | mmp: many thanks |
| 12:10.36 | florian_kc | brb, food |
| 12:11.11 | mmp | np; maybe tthis is the package I forgot to upload... |
| 12:26.53 | mmp | florian_kc: it is uploaded at the same place as the other .ipks |
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| 12:42.19 | florian_kc | mmp: many thanks |
| 12:42.22 | florian_kc | re, btw |
| 12:43.27 | mmp | florian_kc: np; that was problem at my side - I forgot to upload it.. |
| 12:44.02 | mmp | and I should also makke a note on the website |
| 12:58.35 | florian_kc | mmp: ok, i'm getting closer... |
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| 13:00.19 | florian_kc | mmp: did you modify your dbus configuration to allow users to use the applet? |
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| 13:43.30 | florian_kc | mmp: I get this message: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.3300.png |
| 13:45.02 | florian_kc | mmp: ah - forget it... i should read the manual :} |
| 13:48.07 | mmp | sorry, i've been reading mail... |
| 13:48.23 | florian_kc | mmp: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.3661.png |
| 13:50.02 | florian_kc | mmp: the dialog doesn't allow me to select a security mode... |
| 13:50.07 | mmp | hhmm, this is how it +-should work.. allthough the layout is far from optimal.. |
| 13:50.43 | mmp | hm, let me switch to pc... |
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| 13:51.24 | florian_kc | mmp: it might be an idea to open this as a normal window. if it is created with some gtk function you can reset the type hint afterwards. |
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| 13:52.48 | florian_kc | mmp: it might be an idea to open this as a normal window. if it is created with some gtk function you can reset the type hint afterwards. |
| 13:53.00 | mmp | florian_kc: doesn't it ask for credentials after connecting? |
| 13:53.41 | mmp | florian_kc: all dialogs are created using glade |
| 13:54.02 | florian_kc | mmp: ok, same procedure but a little bit less nice |
| 13:54.53 | florian_kc | mmp: well... that might be the problem. it doesn't even give me the manually configured wireless lan to choose from |
| 13:55.42 | mmp | hmm, strange |
| 13:56.14 | mmp | at the dialog, there is no switch box for security? |
| 13:56.20 | mmp | err, combo box |
| 13:56.40 | florian_kc | mmp: there is the box, but it doesn't seem to contain anything |
| 13:56.49 | florian_kc | root@h3600:~# iwlist scan |
| 13:56.55 | florian_kc | eth0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Operation not supported |
| 13:57.12 | florian_kc | that driver seems to be _old_ |
| 13:58.00 | mmp | :-( |
| 13:58.03 | florian_kc | oh and the bug that the screen flickers on pcmcia bus transfers is back... iirc Nils fixed this years ago. |
| 14:00.24 | mmp | hmm, that is not good... |
| 14:03.21 | mmp | :) |
| 14:03.33 | mmp | hmm, iirc newer orinoco drivers support scanning... |
| 14:03.49 | mmp | but I'm not sure, though; those were some drivers from 2.6.x |
| 14:04.03 | florian_kc | for quite some time now... |
| 14:05.08 | mmp | florian_kc: i just looked into the sources, it seems like dialog needs valid essid to show encryption options. |
| 14:05.17 | mmp | at least I think |
| 14:05.46 | mmp | hmm, but it should be at least visible |
| 14:07.14 | florian_kc | mmp: would it recognize a new network device on the fly? |
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| 14:07.47 | mmp | no, libhal-nm doesn't support on the fly detection |
| 14:07.47 | mmp | (yet) |
| 14:08.18 | mmp | I've implemented just one-time detection; otherwise I would need to modify hotplug scripts pbbly (I have not seen any way how to get some "trigger" event that devices have changed) |
| 14:08.34 | mmp | (on 2.4 kernels) |
| 14:08.39 | florian_kc | ok |
| 14:10.46 | florian_kc | mmp: i'm pretty sure it would be easy to run NetworkManager from a service file |
| 14:11.32 | mmp | florian_kc: that's what I'm not sure about; maybe I'm just not experienced, but dhcdbd didn't start correctly, when I tried activation using service file. |
| 14:12.28 | mmp | and, I also wasn't very sure it's good idea just because NM is not very tested... . Automagic starting could do more wrong than good... |
| 14:12.30 | florian_kc | mmp: might be a bug in familiar - there seem to be two locations for the service files. |
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| 14:13.38 | mmp | hmm, maybe; I kept the service file in directory where it was installed in my distro. |
| 14:16.02 | mmp | the biggest negative is that NM uses wpa supplicant which (afaik) needs the scanning feature to work, too (at least, afaik, it uses ap_scan=1 by default). |
| 14:19.35 | florian_kc | looks like i found a working one... i love the hardware collection here :-) |
| 14:20.06 | mmp | :-))) |
| 14:21.06 | mmp | florian_kc: moment, I'll just reconnect |
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| 14:22.54 | florian_kc | mmp: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.6175.png |
| 14:23.28 | mmp | uhm, well... |
| 14:23.30 | florian_kc | mmp: works, setting up wep and connecting too. |
| 14:23.45 | mmp | but why it is there twice??? |
| 14:23.48 | florian_kc | cool |
| 14:24.02 | mmp | and that missing icon... |
| 14:24.17 | mmp | I should really find out what's wrong there... |
| 14:24.56 | mmp | but it's probably NM's one and something doesn't work well. |
| 14:25.10 | mmp | Anyway; if it at least works correctly, it is really great:) |
| 14:25.28 | florian_kc | another issue is that it doesn't indicate that the connection was successful |
| 14:25.50 | mmp | hmm? that's strange and should not happen |
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| 14:26.51 | mmp | florian_kc: the icon in tray did not change? or it just disappeared? |
| 14:27.02 | mmp | (disappear should not happen, I tried to pay attention to this) |
| 14:27.32 | JAV | hello |
| 14:27.52 | florian_kc | mmp: no, it just shows the "disconnected" icon |
| 14:27.55 | florian_kc | hi JAV |
| 14:28.07 | mmp | florian_kc: I really need working wifi here |
| 14:28.13 | mmp | :-( |
| 14:29.09 | mmp | florian_kc: one more thing - is the dhcp client running? |
| 14:30.48 | mmp | if there are both dhcdbd and udhcpc running, problem might cause that udhcpc configured the interface, but NM didn't get proper reply from dhcdbd |
| 14:30.53 | mmp | but that's just my guess |
| 14:32.34 | florian_kc | mmp: not sure, currently the drivers behave strange |
| 14:35.37 | mmp | hmm, the drivers behaved weirdly at me, too... |
| 14:37.53 | florian_kc | mmp: now the driver refuses to scan any longer. what i see is this: |
| 14:41.13 | florian_kc | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:41.15 | mmp | florian_kc: my next guess could be supplicant and nm trying to scan concurrently... |
| 14:41.59 | mmp | florian_kc: the PDA has two wifi adapters, btw? |
| 14:42.17 | mmp | ad scanning - is the card associated now? |
| 14:43.22 | florian_kc | mmp: only one at a time, it associated yes |
| 14:44.43 | mmp | I really don't know; the safest way to know would probably be to run wpa_supplicant just in ap_mode=2 (if I remember correctly:); but that needs modification of NM sources |
| 14:53.32 | florian_kc | mmp: i disabled it.. seems to be another driver issue. same effect directly after reboot. |
| 14:53.58 | mmp | so needs battery plug out/in ? |
| 14:53.58 | pvanhoof | New iteration of api changed happened to tinymail :) |
| 14:54.08 | pvanhoof | with api docs, unit tests and tests updated |
| 14:54.36 | pvanhoof | florian_kc, seen http://tinymail.org/trac/tinymail/wiki/MemoryStats ? |
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| 14:55.15 | pvanhoof | it would be interesting to repeat the test on 64bit and ARM hardware |
| 14:55.23 | pvanhoof | to see how significant the structure sizes re |
| 14:55.25 | pvanhoof | are |
| 14:56.49 | florian_kc | mmp: no, i guess thats just a broken driver |
| 14:57.19 | mmp | hmm, it seems like my next project (maybe SoC?:) will be fixing wireless drivers:) |
| 14:57.44 | florian_kc | pvanhoof: yep, thats pretty cool... you seem to be faster writing stuff then i can read it. |
| 14:57.50 | florian_kc | mmp: heh |
| 14:57.55 | pvanhoof | :) |
| 14:58.09 | florian_kc | mmp: i guess it would be sufficient to include newer ones |
| 14:58.18 | pvanhoof | florian_kc, feel free to correct it (spelling fixes) and/or to add info. or change mistakes |
| 14:58.58 | pvanhoof | or simplify it so that normal mortan humans can understand it |
| 14:59.01 | pvanhoof | mortal |
| 14:59.06 | florian_kc | pvanhoof: i should try to add more data... |
| 14:59.30 | mmp | florian_kc: I'll go away for a while, if you will need anything, I will try to check irc periodically to not miss messages. |
| 15:00.42 | pvanhoof | florian_kc, yeah |
| 15:01.09 | pvanhoof | but! if you write unit tests .. that would be even better ! :D |
| 15:01.25 | pvanhoof | or tests that test more memory related things |
| 15:01.39 | florian_kc | mmp: ok |
| 15:01.46 | pvanhoof | I'm btw seeking a way to test reference counting in unit tests |
| 15:02.01 | pvanhoof | (without refdbg) |
| 15:05.17 | florian_kc | this would be nice to have... |
| 15:08.03 | pvanhoof | I recently sent the gunit dude a patch that makes it possible to inject the implementation of a gtypeinterface |
| 15:08.12 | pvanhoof | and define a unit test that only depends on the gtypeinterface |
| 15:08.29 | pvanhoof | for example if you have 50 implementations of a specific interface , and you want to test all of them against the interface contract |
| 15:08.42 | pvanhoof | he's on holiday .. but he replied he was going to take a look at it |
| 15:09.09 | pvanhoof | anyway, at this moment will the tinymail unit test suites always test one specific implementation |
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| 15:49.01 | florian_kc | mmp: would you like to see your bb files in OpenEmbedded? |
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| 16:43.04 | mmp | florian_kc: if it would be possible:) |
| 16:43.50 | mmp | But they should be reviewed by some QA folks first; some of them might be quite... not-so-well written:) |
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| 16:45.15 | mmp | and, many of those bbfiles already are in OE, I just had to backport them from .dev to .familiar |
| 16:45.20 | florian_kc | mmp: ok, i'll take a look |
| 16:46.28 | mmp | florian_kc: thanks a lot; maybe if you could just write down what is wrong, so I could fix it. I could at least learn something:) |
| 16:46.59 | florian_kc | mmp: okay... |
| 16:48.25 | florian_kc | mmp: one idea i have about this wireless stuff appearing twice: the hostap driver gives you two interfaces but only one is used for normal network communication. so it might be necessary to teach it to ignore the wifi* interfaces |
| 16:52.53 | mmp | ahaa, that might be that; I don't have experience with hostap drivers... . |
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| 19:27.10 | florian | re |
| 19:30.55 | JAV | re florian |
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| 20:11.50 | mccarthy | hi all |
| 20:11.50 | florian | hi mccarthy |
| 20:11.50 | mccarthy | where do I get the latest and greatest for libmimedir? |
| 20:11.50 | mccarthy | hi florian |
| 20:11.51 | mccarthy | are flames flying in here too or just the mialing list :) |
| 20:11.51 | florian | mccarthy: source or binary? |
| 20:11.59 | mccarthy | source (unless there is an ubuntu binary) |
| 20:12.09 | florian | mccarthy: it has been quite for some days now |
| 20:12.20 | florian | ah, that's tricky. |
| 20:12.24 | florian | from cvs, but there are additonal fixes |
| 20:12.32 | mccarthy | that's what I was worried about |
| 20:51.44 | mccarthy | do any of the additional fixes ever make it upstream? |
| 20:52.13 | florian | mccarthy: i hope so, neal sent them to the maintainer at least. |
| 20:52.38 | mccarthy | when you say "from cvs" you mean from gnome cvs? |
| 20:52.38 | florian | yes |
| 20:52.38 | florian | but i can give you my patched tree if you want... but if you just want to port something to latest api you can use the one from cvs iirc |
| 20:52.38 | mccarthy | neal |
| 20:52.39 | mccarthy | neal: why does my recurring event lose the "days of the week" now? |
| 20:52.39 | mccarthy | I am trying to recur MTW and F, but it only remembers the M part of it |
| 20:52.42 | mccarthy | florian, I am mostly trying to build an up-to-date one for my desktop to try to get sync working |
| 20:52.46 | mccarthy | if I could grab a patched tree from you that would be great |
| 20:53.00 | florian | ok, let me see... |
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| 20:55.43 | mreimer | florian: you around? I have a starling question if you're willing |
| 20:55.43 | florian | mreimer: hi, sure |
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| 20:56.01 | mreimer | I'm trying to build starling-0.1 from .dev, but it's missing some includes like gstaudiosink.h and some libs like libgstaudio. I'm guessing that's because gst-plugins-base-0.10.7 isn't installing them? ... |
| 20:56.06 | mreimer | NOTE: the following files were installed but not shipped in any package: |
| 20:56.28 | mreimer | NOTE: /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/.debug/libgstadder.so |
| 20:56.32 | mreimer | etc. |
| 20:56.40 | mreimer | NOTE: Multiple libraries (libgstinterfaces-0.10.so.0, libgstaudio-0.10.so.0, libgstcdda-0.10.so.0, libgstnetbuffer-0.10.so.0, libgstriff-0.10.so.0, libgstrtp-0.10.so.0, libgsttag-0.10.so.0, libgstvideo-0.10.so.0) found and LEAD_SONAME not defined |
| 20:56.40 | mreimer | any ideas? does it build for you? |
| 20:56.52 | florian | mreimer: yes, i was able to build it. but i suspect that there are dependencies missing in the bb |
| 20:56.57 | mreimer | I was thinking that maybe the new gst-plugins-base doesn't install libs properly? |
| 20:57.05 | florian | mccarthy: try this... http://www.linuxtogo.org/~florian/libmimedir-20060804-oe.tar.gz |
| 20:57.09 | mreimer | florian: which gst versions did you build against? I'll try that. I'm using the latest of each (0.10.7, 0.10.2) |
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| 20:57.57 | florian | mreimer: iirc i did the same |
| 20:58.15 | florian | gstaudiosink.h should be staged from gst-plugins-* i guess base |
| 20:58.36 | mreimer | yeah, that's what I'd think too |
| 20:58.50 | mccarthy | ibot seen neal? |
| 21:00.35 | ibot | neal <i=neal@c-24-128-164-108.hsd1.ma.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 8d 6h 5m 53s ago, saying: 'try using gdb'. |
| 21:18.51 | mreimer | florian: I see in gst-plugins.inc that do_stage() { autotools_stage_all } is commented out. Might that be the problem? |
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| 21:19.57 | florian | mreimer: that's suspicious... i wonder why someone did this? |
| 21:20.01 | mreimer | I'll try uncommenting |
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| 21:37.09 | mccarthy | florian, thanks that worked nicely |
| 21:37.20 | mccarthy | it still doesn't fix my recurrence issue, but it lets me export a ics file now |
| 21:37.27 | mccarthy | (now if I could only figure out why I am asked for a gpeuser@localhost password when I try to sync to evo...) |
| 21:37.28 | florian | mccarthy: ok, sounds like a start |
| 21:39.16 | mreimer | florian: uncommenting that do_stage() code seemed to help; starling is built now |
| 21:42.14 | florian | mreimer: sounds like you should check that in :-) |
| 21:42.24 | mreimer | if I was sure it would do the right thing, I'd go ahead. I'm going to do a little checking first... |
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| 22:05.56 | mmp | good night:) |
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| 23:03.18 | pvanhoof | florian, I can use your opinion on http://tinymail.org/trac/tinymail/wiki/HelpRedesignGettingFolders if you have some time :) |
| 23:03.34 | florian | pvanhoof: not that i'm bored.... but i'll take a look :-) |
| 23:03.35 | pvanhoof | :) |
| 23:03.39 | pvanhoof | it's the direction that I would like to go with tinymail and its folder api |
| 23:03.47 | pvanhoof | The good thing here is that a folder doesn't consume a lot memory (when not loaded) |
| 23:03.49 | pvanhoof | so it's a little bit more flexible than the headers stuff |
| 23:03.49 | pvanhoof | (I can store crap in memory, it's not that much anyway) |
| 23:03.51 | pvanhoof | but so far I haven't find things for which I need to force camel to get dirty |
| 23:04.18 | florian | pvanhoof: sometimes i really wonder what you do during a day :-) |
| 23:04.20 | pvanhoof | oh but it's not yet implemented |
| 23:04.24 | pvanhoof | it's just a proposal/idea |
| 23:04.26 | florian | pvanhoof: basically a good idea, i don't know a better one offhand... the only drawback is that it essential too have a valid unit test. |
| 23:04.34 | pvanhoof | right, now I would need two unit tests |
| 23:04.35 | pvanhoof | one for testing the account get-folders api |
| 23:04.36 | pvanhoof | and one for testing the folder get-folders api |
| 23:04.36 | pvanhoof | with that proposal, one unit test could test both |
| 23:04.39 | pvanhoof | the query stuff is what frightens me |
| 23:05.03 | pvanhoof | but I need a way to differentiate between subscribed and unsubscribed folders at least |
| 23:05.05 | pvanhoof | and allow to get two separate lists |
| 23:05.07 | pvanhoof | which isn't possible at this moment |
| 23:23.22 | florian | hmm... shouldn't be too hard |
