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| 07:02.47 | Genesis | guten tag kinder |
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| 09:15.43 | florian_kc | good morning |
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| 09:39.03 | david__ | has anyone managed to get MythTV running on their PDA? |
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| 09:46.56 | david__ | it would be a good way to show photos, music and videos to your friends |
| 09:50.37 | florian_kc | I don't think that it it is intended to be use with PDAs. VLC might be wat you are searching for... |
| 09:50.56 | david__ | it could still work |
| 09:52.03 | david__ | this distro aims to run full x86 packages on the iPAQ, so its possible to get MythTV working: http://intimate.handhelds.org/ |
| 09:53.58 | ArjanS | mythtv wouldn't be able to handle the small resolutions of ipaqs... you'd have to make an ipaq-specific theme first |
| 09:54.14 | david__ | of course |
| 09:54.52 | david__ | would that be easy to do? |
| 09:56.10 | david__ | if you put it on the Sharp Zaraus it would work, as that has 640x480 resolution |
| 09:58.13 | florian_kc | david__: initmate is dead... take a look at familiar |
| 09:58.23 | ArjanS | well, you should first start and try if it compiles for ARM devices |
| 09:59.00 | robtaylor | damn forgot to eneble autolog :/ |
| 10:01.21 | david__ | florian: ive seen familiar, i just suggested intimate as it runs x86 packages |
| 10:03.33 | ArjanS | intimate didn't run x86 packages, it runs the arm version of debian |
| 10:06.27 | david__ | oh really? i thought iti did |
| 10:06.37 | david__ | does it emulate x86 then? |
| 10:08.26 | florian_kc | david__: no, you need to compile them for arm |
| 10:09.59 | david__ | ah ok |
| 10:10.13 | ArjanS | so, you should just stick with familiar |
| 10:10.30 | david__ | as soon as i buy a CF card |
| 10:10.44 | david__ | will 1 or 2gb cards work? |
| 10:10.57 | XorA | you can install fam/oz and just debchroot debian, done that many times |
| 10:12.06 | david__ | Xora: wat does that do? huh? |
| 10:12.42 | XorA | david__: makes a version of debian you can chroot into |
| 10:12.54 | XorA | maybe its call debroot, something like that anyway |
| 10:13.22 | david__ | chroot? debroot? wat are they? |
| 10:13.39 | XorA | david__: if you dont know, then doing these tricks isnt for you |
| 10:15.30 | david__ | probably not, but its still fun :) |
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| 10:16.18 | XorA | chroot allows you to virtually move / into any directory, so if you had a complete debian install in example /mnt/cf/debian you could chroot /mnt/cd/debian and run apps from it |
| 10:16.36 | david__ | ooh thats risky |
| 10:16.48 | david__ | moving the whole filesystem |
| 10:17.03 | XorA | david__: not moving filesystem, just moving what apps see as / |
| 10:17.12 | david__ | oh ok |
| 10:17.24 | XorA | david__: and debian works well within a chroot |
| 10:17.53 | XorA | david__: anyway, thats getting a bit far away from GPE |
| 10:18.36 | david__ | you seem to know your stuff, can you help me out with getting MythTV running on my debian latop? |
| 10:18.39 | david__ | *laptop |
| 10:21.05 | XorA | david__: I have never run MythTV, not even sure what it is, and I really dont have time at the moment. Have you checked for a #mythtv channel? |
| 10:21.30 | david__ | yeah but they didnt help much |
| 10:21.56 | david__ | i cant get the MySQL database stuff working |
| 10:22.10 | XorA | david__: then Im defineately not your man, SQL scares me :-) |
| 10:22.13 | david__ | MythTV is a b!tch to install |
| 10:22.32 | david__ | LOL ok |
| 10:22.48 | david__ | look out! MySQL is right behind you! |
| 10:23.50 | david__ | LOL those things |
| 10:24.49 | david__ | according to wikipedia Daleks are "a ruthless race bent on universal conquest and domination." |
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| 13:05.25 | florian_kc | pb_: did you get mail from Jeff? |
| 13:05.46 | pb_ | no |
| 13:06.27 | florian_kc | doh! |
| 13:12.49 | florian_kc | pb_: he promised to invite you... |
| 13:13.14 | pb_ | oh well, I guess he forgot |
| 13:13.32 | florian_kc | tsts |
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| 13:30.11 | florian_kc | hi reenoo |
| 13:30.39 | reenoo | hi florian_kc |
| 13:30.47 | reenoo | afternoon all |
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| 13:41.23 | reenoo | pb_: happen to remember the intention behind this? http://openembedded.bkbits.net:8080/openembedded/diffs/classes/kernel.bbclass@1.34.1.3?nav=index.html|src/|src/classes|hist/classes/kernel.bbclass |
| 13:43.49 | reenoo | pb_: obviously all 2.4.x modules are intended to replace earlier versions. but the kernel-image package still contains the full kernel version in the package name... |
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| 14:10.00 | pb_ | reenoo: from what I remember, the idea was to allow you to have both 2.4 and 2.6 kernels installed, but to still allow automatic upgrades between minor versions. |
| 14:12.14 | reenoo | pb_: ok, in that case the kernel-image package needs to be renamed as well |
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| 16:05.46 | pb_ | reenoo: yah, very possibly |
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| 16:19.39 | mimecar | ihi |
| 16:19.49 | mimecar | is someone working with the PIM apps ? |
| 16:20.00 | florian_kc | hi mimecar |
| 16:20.02 | florian_kc | sure |
| 16:20.17 | mimecar | there were some interesting changes lastly |
| 16:20.28 | mimecar | I'm returning to zaurus world again |
| 16:23.09 | florian_kc | mimecar: that's good... OZ contains most of the new bits except of gpe-calendar which lacks a release |
| 16:23.39 | mimecar | I had some problems with GPE on OZ 3.5.4 |
| 16:23.48 | mimecar | now, I've install all needed package |
| 16:24.01 | mimecar | I want see some code |
| 16:24.29 | mimecar | is there some reason for the GUI for PIM apps ? |
| 16:24.50 | mimecar | (sorry is the subject is a troll theme) |
| 16:24.52 | Genesis | bye |
| 16:27.31 | mimecar | other devices, such as palm, |
| 16:27.49 | mimecar | have a PIM adaptad to screen (they have limited resolutions) |
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| 16:28.08 | mimecar | you can move dialogs, but on a small screen this is not very useful |
| 16:28.18 | mimecar | florian_kc: do you understand I mean? |
| 16:29.46 | florian_kc | mimecar: not completely... you can move some of the (usually smaller) dialogs but the majority of the windows should be fullscreen. |
| 16:31.04 | mimecar | yes you can move ir |
| 16:31.04 | mimecar | it |
| 16:31.15 | mimecar | but, on palm platform, all dialogs are full screen |
| 16:31.20 | mimecar | you can't move it |
| 16:31.54 | mimecar | I can't explain better |
| 16:31.58 | mimecar | :P |
| 16:32.40 | mimecar | wait, i?m searching some screenshots |
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| 16:34.03 | mimecar | this is an example |
| 16:34.04 | mimecar | http://www.pimlicosoftware.com/palmm505.gif |
| 16:34.10 | mimecar | and http://handhelds.org/~gpe/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Applications&id=land_5863 |
| 16:34.25 | mimecar | GPE calendar looks better |
| 16:34.41 | mimecar | but it looks it doesn't use all the screen for the app |
| 16:35.09 | mimecar | toolbar use a part of the screen |
| 16:35.19 | mimecar | which can be combined with menus |
| 16:46.37 | florian_kc | mimecar: yes right, the gpe uis are a little bit closer to what people are used to from their pc |
| 16:48.16 | mimecar | the problem is the resolution on both platforms |
| 16:48.36 | mimecar | on high res screen is not a problem, but on other screens.. |
| 16:48.49 | florian_kc | mimecar: that's a reason why all larger windows in gpe are fullscreen. |
| 16:49.18 | mimecar | yes |
| 16:50.53 | mimecar | then, the better option is buy a Cx00 device, ? |
| 16:54.40 | florian_kc | mimecar: why? |
| 16:54.53 | mimecar | for high res |
| 16:54.59 | mimecar | I feel 5500 is very limited |
| 16:59.08 | florian_kc | well... sure, but that's why people depelop special applications for these devices. |
| 16:59.21 | mimecar | it's normal |
| 17:01.11 | mimecar | let's create another icon theme for gpe |
| 17:01.26 | mimecar | any sugestion for new theme (Gorilla icon theme, tango...) |
| 17:03.42 | mmp | mimecar: afaik, gpe does not use the classic gtk icon themes... |
| 17:03.57 | mimecar | but you can modify icons for apps |
| 17:04.19 | mmp | aha, that's rught; I did not realize that:) |
| 17:04.20 | mimecar | I have a GPE version of gartoon icon theme |
| 17:04.32 | mmp | s/rught/right |
| 17:05.01 | mimecar | screnshots is not on scap :( |
| 17:08.35 | mimecar | one question |
| 17:08.46 | mimecar | do someone use the zaurus for daily use ? |
| 17:08.52 | mimecar | zaurus or pocket pc |
| 17:26.04 | florian_kc | bbl |
| 17:33.54 | mimecar | re |
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| 20:55.58 | danmd | Hi! |
| 20:56.07 | danmd | Is Florian here proper? |
| 21:00.18 | florian | hi danmd |
| 21:00.23 | danmd | hi f! |
| 21:00.24 | florian | alive :-) |
| 21:00.34 | danmd | good stuff! |
| 21:00.54 | danmd | OK- I've noticed a few missing bits in gpe |
| 21:01.11 | danmd | i just want to see if they're already on yr todo list |
| 21:02.25 | danmd | 1st is the usb connection manager- one of the storage options is 'CF/SD'- what if I have a memory card in both? |
| 21:02.32 | florian | danmd: thaks |
| 21:02.47 | danmd | they should be separate, CF or SD |
| 21:02.50 | danmd | :) |
| 21:03.18 | florian | danmd: well... unluckily the fact tings are on my todo list doesn't mean that they happen to be fast :-( |
| 21:03.42 | danmd | so that was already down then I presume? |
| 21:04.16 | florian | we have an usb connection manager? ;) |
| 21:04.46 | danmd | Its not working for me under the latest OZ/GPE unfortunately :( |
| 21:04.59 | danmd | and I noticed that oddity |
| 21:06.01 | florian | danmd: nasty... on which device is this? |
| 21:06.43 | danmd | Another thing I'd like to see added eventually is separate slider settings bars for the power related settings- screen dim, sleep, screen brightness |
| 21:06.52 | danmd | spitz |
| 21:07.17 | danmd | one slider for the battery operated setting, one for AC |
| 21:09.05 | danmd | gpe-conf keys segfaults and so does gpdf |
| 21:09.07 | florian | danmd: i have seen this before... iirc gnome does this in the same way. that would be good indeed... |
| 21:09.35 | florian | danmd: ah, i guess that's a known effect - which version of gpe-conf is this? |
| 21:11.21 | danmd | I dunno, whatever version comes with OZ/GPE 3.5.4.1 |
| 21:11.46 | danmd | gpe-conf --version/ -v -nope! |
| 21:12.07 | danmd | gpe-conf -h nope |
| 21:12.51 | danmd | what about gpdf? Do you think that is a distro error? |
| 21:12.54 | mmp | good night:) |
| 21:13.00 | danmd | hi! |
| 21:13.14 | danmd | florian: where do you live? |
| 21:14.14 | florian | danmd: ipkg status gpe-conf |
| 21:14.15 | danmd | that was a funny irc session from mr mmp eh? |
| 21:15.04 | danmd | 0.2.1-r0 |
| 21:15.07 | florian | danmd: about gpdf: yes maybe, does it print out something on the console? |
| 21:15.21 | florian | danmd: ah okay, that should be fixed in 0.2.2 |
| 21:17.08 | florian | danmd: germany |
| 21:17.39 | danmd | it seems to work now (gpdf) if i log in as root! |
| 21:18.15 | danmd | what did you do in GNOME and GTK, anything? |
| 21:18.22 | danmd | (apart from GPE :) |
| 21:18.48 | danmd | i mean, contribute towards the code of GNOME or GTK |
| 21:19.41 | danmd | or is that a book in itself? :) |
| 21:20.35 | danmd | Would you say Linux is pretty big in Germany now? Are you an ex-Amiga user? :) |
| 21:20.40 | florian | danmd: There is quite some overlap, but i didn't do anything in gtk of gnome so far. |
| 21:20.58 | florian | danmd: its better than |
| 21:21.13 | danmd | I know SUSE and Kanotix are German |
| 21:21.24 | florian | in some other countries, but still not that big... |
| 21:21.31 | danmd | kano is the man! |
| 21:22.26 | florian | danmd: yeah.. well, suse not anymore. Knoppix is German too... |
| 21:22.52 | florian | danmd: RS/6000 220 ;) |
| 21:22.56 | danmd | good point! Krauts are good at distros :) |
| 21:24.34 | danmd | thats You've got an RS/6000?? |
| 21:24.38 | florian | obviously... we have quite some debian people here too |
| 21:25.06 | danmd | debian rocks to f&?$, obviously |
| 21:25.09 | danmd | :) |
| 21:25.31 | florian | danmd: i have a pile of strange hardware, two rs/6000, some sgi and sun machines... |
| 21:25.56 | danmd | Yes! You are a mega-geek! :) |
| 21:26.12 | florian | not really ;) |
| 21:26.28 | danmd | surely you've got a good Zaurus? |
| 21:27.08 | danmd | ultra geek then- hyper geek warrior 12000! |
| 21:27.18 | danmd | :) |
| 21:27.35 | florian | heh no |
| 21:27.40 | danmd | NO! |
| 21:27.55 | danmd | I don't know what to do now, I really don't! |
| 21:28.02 | danmd | laugh, cry? |
| 21:28.07 | florian | i have an old ipaq, a htc universal and a 770 for this kind of development. |
| 21:28.22 | danmd | Ah! A HTC uni! Good move! |
| 21:29.05 | danmd | have they got the phone or power management working under uni linux yet? |
| 21:29.28 | florian | not really... but people are working on it |
| 21:29.57 | danmd | until that day the Zaurus sl-c3200 is the best PDA out there |
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| 21:30.23 | mimecar | re |
| 21:30.28 | danmd | hi! |
| 21:30.46 | mimecar | hi danmd |
| 21:30.56 | danmd | florian has just been telling me of his geek mega-den of supremecy! :p |
| 21:31.12 | mimecar | mega..... ??? |
| 21:31.15 | danmd | more unix workstations than sun that man |
| 21:31.37 | mimecar | I'm lost :p |
| 21:31.46 | danmd | doesn't matter! :D |
| 21:31.58 | florian | hi mimecar |
| 21:32.00 | danmd | I'm just being silly |
| 21:32.13 | florian | heh |
| 21:32.19 | danmd | hes got some amazing computers though |
| 21:32.21 | mimecar | florian: I was thinking about calendar app |
| 21:32.47 | mimecar | do the pc version of the calendar use the same format as the zaurus / pocket pc (sqlite) ? |
| 21:34.01 | danmd | any idea when we might see a 2.8 Florian? |
| 21:34.17 | mimecar | danmd: windows 3.1 |
| 21:34.18 | mimecar | xDDD |
| 21:34.33 | danmd | are you taunting me!? |
| 21:34.38 | florian | mimecar: yes |
| 21:34.39 | mimecar | yes |
| 21:34.48 | mimecar | ok florian |
| 21:35.08 | mimecar | I would like investigate the format of jpilot database |
| 21:35.08 | florian | danmd: soon i hope, but not before gpe-calendar 0.73 gets released |
| 21:35.18 | mimecar | and the posibility of convert both formats |
| 21:35.40 | danmd | gpe-calendar is a great app- just what PDA linux needed! |
| 21:36.26 | mimecar | that program have many improvements |
| 21:36.31 | mimecar | on the latest release |
| 21:36.41 | danmd | gpe-minibrowser is very promising too |
| 21:36.43 | florian | mimecar: is there an opensync plugin for that format? |
| 21:37.00 | mimecar | there's Opie <=> evolution |
| 21:37.12 | mimecar | but SQLITE <=> jpilot... |
| 21:37.16 | mimecar | i'm not sure |
| 21:37.21 | florian | mimecar: indeed... but neal did a really great job on it in the meantime |
| 21:37.41 | mimecar | with jpilot format ? |
| 21:37.45 | florian | mimecar: opensync works in a different way |
| 21:37.52 | mimecar | yes |
| 21:38.02 | mimecar | it looks better in general |
| 21:38.06 | florian | mimecar: you have plugins for one format, not for pairs |
| 21:38.16 | mimecar | yes |
| 21:38.36 | mimecar | is something i want see |
| 21:38.57 | mimecar | but I think it would be dificulter convert to multisync |
| 21:39.08 | mimecar | than an sqlite <-> jpilot converter |
| 21:39.34 | florian | mimecar: there is an opensync plugin for gpe already |
| 21:39.41 | mimecar | yes ? |
| 21:40.20 | mimecar | I've found the web |
| 21:40.33 | mimecar | do you know if it's a functional program ? |
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| 21:47.50 | mimeca1 | r |
| 21:47.51 | mimeca1 | re |
| 21:52.24 | mimeca1 | florian: then, thre's a plugin which works for GPE ? |
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| 21:53.38 | florian | mimecar: that ine is named gpe plugin, it should be in the latest release... |
| 21:53.54 | florian | mimecar: it works, maybe not berfect but it shoudl work |
| 21:53.56 | mimeca1 | I saw in source code |
| 21:54.04 | mimeca1 | not as RPM plugin |
| 21:54.08 | mimeca1 | for multisync |
| 21:54.27 | mimeca1 | if the plugin works more or less, you can sync with evolution |
| 21:54.48 | mimeca1 | but not with jpilot (if jpilot haven't a plugin) |
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| 21:55.41 | mimeca1 | hey reenoo |
| 21:55.58 | reenoo_ | hi mimeca1 |
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| 22:06.43 | florian | mimecar: be careful - there is the old multisync and the new olensync |
| 22:06.47 | florian | eh opensync |
| 22:07.02 | mimecar | ok |
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| 22:09.38 | mimecar | hi _CoreDump|home |
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| 22:58.42 | hvontres|poodle | Is there a version of Iqnotes that works in gpe? or something smilar? |
| 22:59.00 | mimecar | is iqnotes an outliner ? |
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| 23:00.20 | mimecar | hi RP |
| 23:01.04 | mimecar | hvontres|poodle: ? |
| 23:07.22 | hvontres|poodle | mimecar: yes, iqnotes is an outlining tool. |
| 23:07.33 | mimecar | then you can use figment |
| 23:07.44 | mimecar | you can find it on the feed |
| 23:08.04 | hvontres|poodle | I'll have to give it a try. |
| 23:08.14 | mimecar | it's a good program |
| 23:08.28 | mimecar | and you have editors on pc side |
| 23:08.36 | mimecar | (not related with the author of the program) |
| 23:09.20 | hvontres|poodle | Does anybody know if ko/pi has been ported over to gpe yet? I know hrw started a .bb file and just needed to figure out how to get the ting packaged. |
| 23:09.34 | mimecar | no idea |
| 23:09.42 | mimecar | but Ko/pi use QT |
| 23:10.00 | mimecar | and GPE use GTK |
| 23:10.11 | mimecar | is not a trivial task change the library |
| 23:12.35 | hvontres|poodle | mimecar:Actually, the pdaXrom guys have gotten it to work. And hrw got it to compile... I guess I'll see if I can figure some of that .bb file voodoo in my "spare" time...:) |
| 23:13.00 | mimecar | it would be interesting |
| 23:17.59 | florian | good night |
| 23:19.03 | florian | hvontres|poodle: you can get qt/x11 apps to work with gpe... but you need much more memory with two toolkits. |
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