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| 08:28.04 | Genesis | yop |
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| 09:18.42 | florian_kc | good morning |
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| 11:39.52 | mmp | florian_kc: I just discovered that there already is gnome-keyring bbfile in OE. When I grepped whole packages/ directory and did not find anything, I did not expect that 'ls -R' could reveal some files for gnome-keyring... |
| 11:41.49 | florian_kc | mmp: ah nice, i didn't expect it to be in there already too |
| 11:42.13 | mmp | :) Next time I will pay more attention to 'ls' as well:) |
| 11:42.36 | XorA | there is loads of gnome stuff, either koen or I put in gnome directory |
| 11:42.55 | XorA | mainly when its a dep of gnome office stuff |
| 11:49.36 | mmp | hmm, but still, why there is quite old version in GPE, despite of that there is recent one in OE tree? |
| 11:52.37 | XorA | mmp: gpe != OE |
| 11:53.42 | mmp | XorA: Hmm, I know, but for now I'm still only guessing what is the relation between GPE and OE |
| 11:53.49 | mmp | or, better, between familiar and OE. |
| 11:56.20 | florian_kc | mmp: yes, familiar is not really up to date |
| 11:56.33 | florian_kc | OZ is pretty soon :-) gpe-wise at least |
| 11:58.08 | mmp | florian_kc: :) For example, last month I installed gpe-nmf 0.20, but found out that there are few bugs. There is already 0.22 (which seemed to fix them), but it is not included in Familiar yet... . |
| 11:58.36 | florian_kc | mmp: right... (but in fact even 0.22 is buggy) |
| 11:59.08 | mmp | florian_kc: I don't know how did my friend managed to do that, but he managed gpe-nmf to play two mp3s at once:) |
| 11:59.14 | mmp | but that's just OT |
| 11:59.18 | florian_kc | pb__: oh... you didn't manage to sort out your gstreamer issues and continue your gpe-nmf updates? |
| 11:59.35 | florian_kc | mmp: heh |
| 12:00.24 | mmp | florian_kc: so Familiar chose roughly the same way as Debian stable? (all: I don't want to start any flamy, I'm just asking:) |
| 12:01.07 | florian_kc | mmp: eh... yes :-) |
| 12:01.53 | mmp | :) |
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| 12:02.24 | mmp | Well, but that is just my theory (for now) |
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| 12:11.22 | mmp | florian_kc: btw, did you receive the e-mail from David Zeuthen I forwarded you? |
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| 12:18.40 | florian_kc | hi jpetersen |
| 12:18.45 | florian_kc | mmp: yes, thanks |
| 12:18.47 | jpetersen | hi florian_kc |
| 12:18.50 | florian_kc | brb, food |
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| 13:19.49 | neal | florian: You owe me a test case for your new functionality in libeventdb |
| 13:27.24 | florian_kc | neal: hum well, how fast do you want this? ;) |
| 13:28.46 | neal | today perferably |
| 13:28.53 | neal | if not, I may break the code |
| 13:29.57 | florian_kc | neal: d'oh! |
| 13:30.03 | florian_kc | neal: why this? |
| 13:33.25 | neal | I've made some sweeping changes to the libeventdb code. |
| 13:33.54 | florian_kc | oh, sounds dangerous ;) |
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| 13:35.02 | neal | could be. |
| 13:36.22 | florian_kc | its very unlikely that i manage to do this today... that's quite some stuff. |
| 13:38.06 | neal | the framework makes it quite easy |
| 13:38.16 | neal | insert a couple of events into the db |
| 13:38.25 | neal | look them up |
| 13:38.27 | neal | delete a couple |
| 13:38.34 | neal | list the deleted events |
| 13:38.41 | neal | and put in lots of printfs |
| 13:38.59 | neal | then verify that the output is sane and save it in test.expected |
| 13:39.48 | florian_kc | i'll take a look this evening |
| 13:43.15 | pvanhoof | hey florian_kc : |
| 13:43.16 | pvanhoof | :) |
| 13:44.57 | florian_kc | hi pvanhoof |
| 13:45.17 | florian_kc | pvanhoof: i got your mail... |
| 13:45.24 | pvanhoof | tomorrow mickey mouse :) |
| 13:45.28 | pvanhoof | aha which one? |
| 13:45.36 | pvanhoof | the one about the conference? |
| 13:46.54 | florian_kc | right |
| 13:48.56 | pvanhoof | aha |
| 13:49.08 | pvanhoof | feel free to talk with Jane about who you think he should invite and things like that |
| 13:49.26 | pvanhoof | I don't know what type of conference it will be. But I'm guessing it will be an expensive one |
| 13:49.35 | pvanhoof | so I think we can use the 50% discount |
| 13:49.52 | pvanhoof | but I'm not sure if it will be an interesting one. Unless many of us (people like you, me and people here) will attent it |
| 13:50.28 | pvanhoof | else it will probably be a blabla marketing bla bla conference with only companies with lots of money |
| 13:50.41 | zecke | neal: make sure that this test can be easily packaged and ran later on a target system :} |
| 13:51.14 | neal | zecke: What problems do you imagine? |
| 13:51.23 | neal | zecke: And have you looked at the code at all? |
| 13:51.30 | florian_kc | pvanhoof: indeed... |
| 13:51.34 | zecke | no :) |
| 13:51.47 | pvanhoof | florian_kc, btw: the OLPC people care about the possibility to adapt tinymail using python. To have it hackable |
| 13:51.49 | zecke | neal: and sorry for poking. |
| 13:51.55 | pvanhoof | so basically implementing types in python |
| 13:52.02 | pvanhoof | and probably documentation for that |
| 13:52.12 | zecke | neal: I just know the average GNU "make check" |
| 13:52.14 | pvanhoof | I guess I will soon be talking with doctau how we can achieve that |
| 13:52.16 | florian_kc | pvanhoof: scary |
| 13:52.22 | pvanhoof | yes indeed, but not impossible |
| 13:53.06 | neal | zecke: That's what I've hooked into. |
| 13:53.07 | pvanhoof | neuralis i'm thinking out loud; basically, what it'll take for me to commit to libtinymail is to sit down, look at an alternative all-python implementation, and decide that it's too complicated/slow. |
| 13:53.10 | pvanhoof | that's a quote |
| 13:53.47 | pvanhoof | florian_kc, he's wondering whether it will be a lot work to basically implement it in python |
| 13:53.55 | florian_kc | pvanhoof: then sit down and wait for this to happen ;) |
| 13:54.03 | pvanhoof | or whether it's worth adding the complexity of depending on tinymail |
| 13:54.15 | pvanhoof | well yeah, by the time he will sit down |
| 13:54.31 | pvanhoof | tinymail will have the most boutiful python bindings ever seen on this earth |
| 13:54.39 | florian_kc | well... they *will* depend on some native stuff anyway |
| 13:54.54 | florian_kc | that would make more sense... much more |
| 13:54.55 | pvanhoof | and then it will be not-so-smart to reimplement it in python |
| 13:55.21 | pvanhoof | nor does it make a lot sense today, but you know how people think :) |
| 13:55.34 | pvanhoof | well it might make sense. It might not make sense |
| 13:55.43 | pvanhoof | I'm not the right person to judge that :) |
| 13:56.55 | pvanhoof | but I'm going to give them the most juicy, sweet and perfect python language binding possible |
| 13:57.05 | pvanhoof | so that it will even look better than native python code :) |
| 13:57.34 | pvanhoof | but first things first: mickey mouse :) |
| 13:57.58 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 13:59.26 | pvanhoof | florian_kc, ... |
| 13:59.37 | pvanhoof | but I will need the help of people like you to make this kick ass |
| 13:59.50 | pvanhoof | well, if I want it in time for certain projects like OLPC |
| 13:59.57 | pvanhoof | else I will burn myself out :( |
| 14:00.29 | pvanhoof | just know that :) |
| 14:00.38 | florian_kc | pvanhoof: don't look at me speaking about python ;) |
| 14:00.41 | pvanhoof | brb, 30 minutes |
| 14:00.49 | pvanhoof | oh, no. It's definitely not only python work |
| 14:00.54 | pvanhoof | look at the trac page :) |
| 14:01.25 | pvanhoof | I need some marketing dudes. I'm the worst seller in the spectrum of free software |
| 14:01.27 | pvanhoof | :-\ |
| 14:01.32 | pvanhoof | :) |
| 14:01.57 | pvanhoof | I mean, look at what happened with mallum. It's fixed but ... |
| 14:02.15 | pvanhoof | anyway, brb |
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| 14:07.35 | neal | wtf |
| 14:07.40 | neal | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:08.25 | florian_kc | huh+ |
| 14:08.50 | neal | that's in a clean build directory |
| 14:08.55 | neal | after a configure and make |
| 14:09.17 | neal | what version of libtool/automake/autoconf do you use? |
| 14:09.29 | neal | I recently had to play with mine |
| 14:14.57 | florian_kc | automake 1.9.6, autoconf 2.60, libtool 1.5.22 |
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| 15:19.52 | florian_kc | france: ping |
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| 17:03.10 | Genesis | bye |
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| 17:09.47 | dmd | fair few in 'ere! |
| 17:10.04 | dmd | any news on 2.8? |
| 17:12.20 | dmd | florian gone? |
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| 17:12.59 | florian_kc | hi dmd |
| 17:13.09 | dmd | hi florian! |
| 17:13.27 | dmd | whats the new on 2.8? |
| 17:13.28 | florian_kc | dmd: quite some stuff done :-) |
| 17:13.39 | dmd | thats what I like to hear! |
| 17:14.25 | dmd | can minibrowser handle Yahoo etc. now? |
| 17:14.58 | dmd | (Yahoo! Mail) |
| 17:18.25 | dmd | How about the package manager? Does it work now? Can you search? |
| 17:19.05 | florian_kc | dmd: i don't think Philippe did any work on it lately. |
| 17:19.18 | florian_kc | dmd: that's another open task :-} |
| 17:19.27 | dmd | browser? |
| 17:20.34 | dmd | what is new since 2.7? |
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| 17:44.06 | florian_kc | dmd: some pim applications updates and gpe-conf updates. major gpe-calendar rework |
| 17:57.30 | florian_kc | http://gpe.handhelds.org/projects/GPE-what.shtml |
| 17:57.39 | florian_kc | Anyone an opinion about this...? |
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| 18:23.12 | mmp | florian_kc: hmm, looks like today my wishes are becomming true; the familiar unstable I mentioned this morning exists:) |
| 18:23.51 | florian_kc | mmp: yeah. but i don#t know how up to date and complete that stuff is. |
| 18:24.19 | mmp | well, it still contains the 0.2x dbus, but gpe-nmf is more recent... |
| 18:25.12 | mmp | But good to know that there is something like that, so I don't need to torture my laptop with compilation of whole dependency tree for package I want:) |
| 18:25.43 | florian_kc | true |
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| 19:13.40 | Philippe | hey guys |
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| 20:22.08 | mmp | hello; has anyone tried upgrading gtk+ to 2.8.9 (from 2.6.version_in_familiar) - aren't there any problems? |
| 20:23.08 | Philippe | mmp: it might work, but will be slower as measurements have proved... |
| 20:23.48 | mmp | Philippe: hmm, that does not sound promising; btw, if it is known, what are the bottlenecks? |
| 20:25.18 | Philippe | mmp: cairo is the main cause for slowdowns afaik. That is why we still use 2.6 in familiar |
| 20:25.36 | Philippe | And why Nokia also uses 2.6.x on the 770 |
| 20:25.53 | mmp | I just compiles gnome-keyring and it seems it requires 2.8.x from some strange reason |
| 20:28.25 | Philippe | mmp: strange... well I don't think you will see that much difference in speed, but I can really garuantee you that it will upgrade nicely to 2.8.x |
| 20:29.47 | mmp | :) thanks, that's what I wanted to hear. But anyway, when I'm thinking about it a bit, few days ago I was trying to find out how to tell OE to build package depending only on some version of lib and I wasn't able; and this one it does... |
| 20:31.23 | Philippe | mmp: more chances to get the answer on your OE question in #OE. I don't really know. I would say to play with preferred_providers in your local.conf. |
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| 20:33.17 | florian | re |
| 20:33.24 | mmp | Philippe: thanks a lot; going to grep through few .conf's to see what is really happening here |
| 20:33.30 | mmp | florian hello:) |
| 20:33.55 | florian | hi mmp |
| 20:34.57 | mmp | I just got some modified version of nm-applet compiled; and now I'm fighting with version differences between OE tree on laptop and familiar in PDA |
| 20:35.46 | mmp | and wondering how is it possible that there are problems which should not be problems:) |
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| 23:39.47 | florian | good night |