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| 08:30.55 | florian_kc | good morning |
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| 11:38.46 | florian_kc | hi pb_ |
| 11:38.53 | pb_ | hi florian_kc |
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| 11:53.58 | reenoo | afternoon |
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| 12:44.53 | florian_kc | hi reenoo |
| 12:45.13 | reenoo | moin florian_kc |
| 12:45.26 | florian_kc | reenoo: your announcement is visible now... |
| 12:45.31 | florian_kc | at hh.org |
| 12:46.58 | zecke|food | reenoo: a) congrats b) http://handhelds.org/hypermail/familiar/current/31154.html <- 404 |
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| 12:52.58 | reenoo | florian_kc: ah, thanks |
| 12:54.40 | reenoo | zecke|food: odd. I don't usually link to anything in current/. can posts be edited? |
| 12:55.39 | zecke|food | reenoo: dunno if they can be edited |
| 13:23.59 | rob_w|mis | http://rafb.net/paste/results/DmjDyD44.html can anyone tell me why this is so ? |
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| 14:04.24 | asylumed | rob_w: ptm_start->tm_seconds = 0? |
| 14:04.45 | florian_kc | rob_w|mis: hmm... interesting, looks like something is not initialized. |
| 14:13.07 | CoreDump|home | hi |
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| 14:13.34 | florian_kc | hi CoreDump|home |
| 14:13.38 | florian_kc | hi mmp |
| 14:13.41 | mmp | florian_kc: hello:) |
| 14:14.20 | mmp | florian_kc: have you read my status report? |
| 14:15.23 | florian_kc | mmp: hi, yes |
| 14:15.54 | florian_kc | mmp: the problems with nm sound bad |
| 14:16.26 | mmp | I have to ask NM developers few things. Somewhere in ChangeLogs I found line mentioning some documentation. |
| 14:17.16 | mmp | So I suppose there is some. Otherwise, it would be _very_ difficult to write anything implementing nm applet functionality |
| 14:18.19 | florian_kc | mmp: you need to find this fast... |
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| 14:19.33 | mmp | Yes, but this is one of mi highest-priority things, because it blocks directly testing of NM port. |
| 14:19.49 | florian_kc | right |
| 14:20.29 | mmp | without applet, I'm not able to do much more than see how NM takes over the interfaces and cuts down wifi connection. |
| 14:20.58 | mmp | But, one more thing I wanted to ask - the libhal-nm API redesign. |
| 14:22.26 | florian_kc | mmp: what do you have in mind? |
| 14:22.39 | mmp | Current approach probably is not very good. |
| 14:23.10 | mmp | But, as much as I tought about other, all of my thoughts ended up with something very similar to normal hal daemon. |
| 14:24.50 | mmp | So I don't know what to do - current backend API requires quite a lot of work to implement new backend, literaly reimplementation of libhal API subset. |
| 14:28.03 | florian_kc | that's true - if it is that much of work it might be worth to consider thinking about two things: |
| 14:29.06 | florian_kc | -create a minimal subset of hal to be used for this particular purpose. |
| 14:29.25 | florian_kc | -create a specializes protocol to keep things simple. |
| 14:30.03 | florian_kc | i'd vote for the second solution because hal doesn't work with kernel 2.4 |
| 14:32.34 | mmp | hmm, I don't understand it a bit the second one - what do you mean by specialized protocol? |
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| 14:37.10 | florian_kc | mmp: hum well, it depends a little bit on about what is expected from libnm |
| 14:38.20 | mmp | yes, and that is the next thing I would like to know:) |
| 14:38.42 | mmp | From my PoV it's just thing to make NM running on PDA |
| 14:40.14 | florian_kc | mmp: the current libhal api looks pretty simple so i don't think it is too complicated to make it behave like a "real" libhal. you need to check what it is actually used for and just need to have the correct answers to the questions nm asks. |
| 14:41.41 | mmp | florian_kc: that's what I'm actually doing; the subset is implemented and more or less running (the issue I described in report). But I don't know whether there is not plan to use it for some more things. |
| 14:42.07 | mmp | You, after returning from Spain, have said that hal might not be the right thing for PDAs... |
| 14:44.06 | florian_kc | mmp: true, therfore i wouldn't change too much... that's complicated at the current stage of the project. |
| 14:44.55 | florian_kc | mmp: in theory it might be nice to have more of the functionality but for this project its sufficient to have it working for this particular purpose. |
| 14:45.38 | mmp | Ok, so for now it should be enough to have libhal-nm working correctly with NM. |
| 14:46.02 | florian_kc | mmp: right - that's why i think the current approach (or a completely new) would be the best. |
| 14:46.09 | florian_kc | mmp: exactly |
| 14:47.09 | mmp | ok:) For now, I will focus more on getting to work with NM than redesigning it for now. For that there will be time after SoC maybe... . |
| 14:47.57 | florian_kc | yeah, that would be better - making the ui wrk should be quite some effort too... so its better to do the optional stuff later :-) |
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| 14:52.56 | mmp | florian_kc: sorry; I just broke the basic rule: don't compile in hot summer weather, so I was punished by thermal alert and shutdown:) |
| 14:53.33 | mmp | did you write anything just prior to I exited? |
| 14:53.44 | florian_kc | "yeah, that would be better - making the ui wrk should be quite some effort too... so its better to do the optional stuff later :-)" |
| 14:53.46 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 14:54.08 | mmp | :-) |
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| 15:12.52 | rob_w|mis | hehe my problem was that a did a printf ("%d") to that counter but it is a long float .. it was correct all the time |
| 15:13.26 | florian_kc | eeks |
| 15:15.20 | mmp | florian_kc: btw, (I'm just curious) in GPE, why there is gpe-mini-browser installed and not Minimo by default? |
| 15:15.50 | florian_kc | mmp: minimo is much bigger and seems to be hard to compile |
| 15:17.39 | mmp | florian_kc: :-) I almost forgot:) Well, but anyway, it renders a number of websites where mini-browser has problems. |
| 15:18.22 | florian_kc | mmp: indeed |
| 15:20.16 | neal | florian: I don't like maemo's time editor |
| 15:20.25 | neal | florian: I think what we had was better. |
| 15:20.36 | neal | florian: Although the date selector is an improvement. |
| 15:29.22 | florian_kc | neal: hi... yes, its not really what i'd call a cool thing. the only reason to prefer it on maemo is to have the same look&feel like the other apps. |
| 15:29.58 | florian_kc | in fact its even worse... the widget implementation of these editors in maemo is a pain. |
| 15:31.14 | neal | florian: So it's integrated and less functional? |
| 15:31.28 | neal | florian: Acutally that's not fair. |
| 15:31.40 | neal | florian: So it has the same look and feel and is less functional? |
| 15:33.16 | florian_kc | neal: the maemo editors are less functional and lack some essential sanity checks. |
| 15:33.49 | neal | so, I'm for reverting at least the time selector |
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| 15:35.11 | florian_kc | neal: hmm... i wonder what is more important for the users. |
| 15:35.30 | florian_kc | imho the most important thing to chage is the usability of the context menu. |
| 15:36.19 | neal | florian: You mean the popup in the day view? |
| 15:36.40 | neal | florian: I'll fix that this evening if you revert the time selector. |
| 15:36.42 | florian_kc | three taps to view the event details is too much and its way too easy to select a function you don't want by accident. |
| 15:36.53 | florian_kc | heh |
| 15:37.42 | neal | I think what you suggested previously is a good solution. |
| 15:37.43 | florian_kc | that's something we maybe should ask for more opinions... |
| 15:38.51 | florian_kc | hmm... the date selector is *strange* |
| 15:39.04 | neal | florian: I didn't actually get to use it that much. |
| 15:39.17 | neal | florian: After playing for 15 minutes, I had the device swipted out of my hands. |
| 15:39.25 | neal | and I'm again device-less |
| 15:40.25 | florian_kc | ah nasty... |
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| 16:14.52 | neal | florian: Copyright (C) 2005 - 2006 is less correct according to official gnu standards. |
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| 16:21.34 | florian_kc | neal: oh? Is it required to list the actual years? |
| 16:22.17 | neal | florian: Yes. |
| 16:24.13 | neal | http://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2002-09/msg00425.html |
| 16:28.05 | neal | and speaking of copyrights, you forgot the copyright year for gpe/base/libgpewidget/gpe/colorrenderer.h |
| 16:30.47 | neal | florian: Why do you add this touch po/ChangeLog to autogen.sh rather then just checking in an empty file? |
| 16:31.50 | florian_kc | neal: ok, thanks |
| 16:32.11 | florian_kc | neal: hum well.. having less useless files in cvs ;) |
| 16:33.04 | neal | that's an argument. |
| 16:33.18 | neal | I don't really care either way. |
| 16:33.28 | neal | both are aesthetically unpleasing. |
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| 16:36.56 | florian_ | hrm :-/ |
| 16:37.08 | florian_ | two crashing machines today :-( |
| 16:46.41 | florian_ | http://kernelconcepts.de/~fuchs/nokia770/screenshots/screenshot00.png |
| 16:47.44 | neal | not bad. |
| 16:52.22 | florian_ | better :-) |
| 16:57.08 | Genesis | bonne soirée / bye |
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| 17:31.00 | redrok | heya |
| 17:31.06 | redrok | somebody there? i need some help ;> |
| 17:36.18 | redrok | hello? :( |
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| 17:38.45 | mmp | redrok: just say what you need, if someone knows, how to help you, he will respond... |
| 17:38.52 | mmp | he or she:) |
| 17:39.39 | redrok | well okay :) ... im trying to install gpe on my ipaq, but the bootloader doesnt work ... i installed it but if i hold the joypad center and press reset the screen feezes |
| 17:40.43 | redrok | i reinstalled the bootloader a couple of times but it doenst work :O |
| 17:40.43 | mmp | redrok: what ipaq model? |
| 17:40.47 | redrok | 5450 |
| 17:41.07 | mmp | if you reinstalled it, then the bootloader probably works, because you were able to boot WinCE |
| 17:41.35 | redrok | but there is no screen to choice where to boot from |
| 17:41.58 | redrok | shouldnt there be some screen like this: http://www.siegerland.net/kuhnert/main_linux_ipaq_5.html ? |
| 17:42.17 | redrok | it vibrates and freezes.. Oo ... dont know what to do :D |
| 17:42.21 | mmp | redrok: :-) |
| 17:42.30 | mmp | you probably have not read instructions carefully |
| 17:42.42 | mmp | there is (yet) no such thing for 5[45]xx |
| 17:42.52 | redrok | oh :O |
| 17:43.03 | redrok | so i cant run linux on it? |
| 17:43.05 | mmp | it just vibrates for a second or so, which indicates that the bootloader works |
| 17:43.47 | mmp | when you push the big red... ehm, joystick button, the bootloader should tell you some nice things on serial console and then wait your commands |
| 17:44.25 | redrok | nope.. just shows the frozen windows screen |
| 17:44.26 | redrok | >.< |
| 17:45.12 | mmp | redrok: that's OK. |
| 17:45.21 | mmp | the bootloader afaik does not contain LCD driver |
| 17:45.32 | mmp | so it can't do anything with contents of LCD. |
| 17:45.41 | redrok | okay |
| 17:46.05 | mmp | just connect the serial port to the computer, set up communication parameters and after pressing enter (or sooner) you should see prompt |
| 17:46.16 | mmp | s/serial port/serial line/ |
| 17:46.43 | redrok | hmh |
| 17:46.55 | redrok | it counts the seconds but nothing happens |
| 17:47.02 | mmp | hmm? |
| 17:47.07 | redrok | i pressed the calender button |
| 17:47.15 | mmp | why calendar button? |
| 17:47.17 | redrok | and tried to connect with hyerterminakl |
| 17:47.32 | redrok | because the manual said it :) |
| 17:47.45 | mmp | afaik, you should press the joystick and reboot |
| 17:47.49 | mmp | hmm, which manual? :-) |
| 17:47.56 | redrok | http://www.siegerland.net/kuhnert/main_linux_ipaq_5.html :P |
| 17:48.01 | redrok | for ipaq 3870 |
| 17:48.20 | redrok | Wenn der Bootloader erscheint, drückt man den Kalender Button. || if the bootloader promts, press calender button |
| 17:49.00 | redrok | now hyerpterminal shows something xD |
| 17:49.26 | mmp | redrok: but your model is slightly different; it is compatible with h39xx or h5[45]xx |
| 17:50.02 | redrok | okay i typed "load root" and how do i now choose the jffs2? |
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| 17:51.01 | redrok | i think i found it Oo |
| 17:51.06 | mmp | yes |
| 17:51.43 | mmp | hmm, maybe I have made a mistake and h38xx is compatible too, but the joystick trick should work for you anyway:) |
| 17:52.22 | redrok | yeah it worked :D ... it was just confused cuz the screen freezed |
| 17:53.11 | redrok | okay, next problem: it says timeout limit for connection reached :> .. or something like that .. i'm sorry for my english xD |
| 17:55.47 | mmp | redrok: no problem, I'm not native speaker either, so I barely recognize that you have said something incorrectly:-) |
| 17:56.01 | redrok | ^^; |
| 17:56.15 | mmp | have you set up ymodem transfer properly? |
| 17:57.05 | redrok | i think so ... 115200 8-N-1 |
| 17:57.45 | redrok | but i didnt found the "no hardware handshaking" option |
| 17:59.05 | mmp | software flow control |
| 17:59.09 | mmp | xon/xoff |
| 17:59.13 | mmp | or something like that |
| 17:59.28 | redrok | is set off |
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| 18:00.17 | mmp | hmm, what program do you use (minicom/hyperterm/...) |
| 18:01.42 | redrok | hyperterminal |
| 18:04.08 | mmp | hmm, I don't know it much... |
| 18:07.02 | arm-bar | minicom? |
| 18:16.54 | redrok | to transfer the file with "send file" after typing "load root" is correct? |
| 18:20.05 | mmp | redrok: are you able to tell it the protocol it has to use? |
| 18:20.49 | redrok | zmode ymoden and so on? |
| 18:20.56 | redrok | *modem |
| 18:20.58 | mmp | yes |
| 18:21.04 | redrok | yes.. :) |
| 18:21.05 | mmp | you should use ymodem |
| 18:21.21 | mmp | unless you configure bootldr to use xmodem |
| 18:21.28 | redrok | standard Ymoden oder Ymodem-G? |
| 18:21.46 | mmp | uhh; I would guess standard one |
| 18:22.42 | redrok | timeout |
| 18:22.43 | redrok | :< |
| 18:23.14 | redrok | Ymodem-G works.. hooray~! |
| 18:23.15 | redrok | :D |
| 18:24.55 | mmp | :-) |
| 18:39.50 | redrok | if i reboot after transfering the jffs2 file than linux should boot, right? |
| 18:39.50 | redrok | :O |
| 18:42.13 | mmp | redrok: yes |
| 18:42.19 | redrok | allright! |
| 18:42.21 | redrok | thanx |
| 18:42.25 | redrok | <3 |
| 18:42.34 | mmp | after transferring and flashing:-) |
| 18:42.45 | redrok | flashing? :O |
| 18:43.05 | mmp | it has done it just after the whole image was downloaded to PDA:) |
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| 18:50.44 | mimecar | evening guys |
| 18:50.59 | mmp | redrok: booted successfully? |
| 18:51.13 | redrok | still transfering |
| 18:51.19 | redrok | 11 mins left |
| 18:51.31 | mmp | :-) |
| 19:05.21 | redrok | how long takes it to flash? |
| 19:05.42 | mmp | just a while |
| 19:05.50 | mimecar | redrok: what's your pda ? |
| 19:05.56 | redrok | 5450 |
| 19:05.59 | mmp | but anyway, it should drop you into commandline just after transfer |
| 19:06.13 | redrok | with 69% battery when i startet to install linux xD |
| 19:06.22 | redrok | ah formatting done |
| 19:06.23 | redrok | hooray~! |
| 19:06.28 | redrok | now reset? |
| 19:06.29 | redrok | :> |
| 19:07.05 | mmp | if it has put you again to bootloader commandline... |
| 19:14.28 | redrok | wohooo~ gpe likes me :> |
| 19:17.59 | redrok | how do i copy and paste? |
| 19:21.50 | mmp | :-) |
| 19:22.26 | mmp | well, afaik, similarly as in wince, at least in gtk applications. select text, hold stylus for a while on a place so there will pop up a context menu |
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