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| 06:57.18 | Genesis | bonjour |
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| 08:49.15 | neal | where has koen wandered off to. |
| 08:49.31 | neal | Seem he got his google project and vanished |
| 08:49.40 | XorA | neal: Barbados or bahamas or somewhere like that |
| 08:49.45 | neal | ah. |
| 08:49.48 | neal | cool. |
| 08:49.51 | neal | or warm? |
| 08:50.15 | XorA | neal: think he said something about it being his parents anniversery |
| 08:50.40 | neal | oh. |
| 08:51.27 | XorA | but I got cold so I could just be dreaming this :-D |
| 08:53.53 | neal | you could be dreaming this conversation. |
| 09:01.02 | XorA | that is true |
| 09:16.24 | neal | is GMarkupParser a good way to do configuration file management? |
| 09:16.29 | neal | (http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/glib/glib-Simple-XML-Subset-Parser.html) |
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| 09:26.11 | neal | morning florian |
| 09:26.13 | florian_kc | good morning |
| 09:26.27 | neal | florian: What do you know about GMarkupParser? |
| 09:27.34 | florian_kc | neal: not much, its is able to parse an xml subset.... but not much mor, i didn't use that so far. |
| 09:27.35 | neal | or, my real question is: what sould I use for a configuration file manager? |
| 09:28.49 | florian_kc | neal: no, i'd use GKeyFile - that's easier to use and the resulting files are much easier to read. |
| 09:29.10 | neal | ok, thanks. |
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| 09:34.26 | neal | florian: It would be nice to have -dbg packages for gpe-calendar as well. |
| 09:43.36 | florian_kc | neal: indeed... do you know how to create these easily? |
| 09:44.57 | neal | florian: What are you using for packaging? |
| 09:45.38 | neal | cdbs is supposed to be really good if you're doing it all by hand. |
| 09:47.11 | neal | florian: https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml#id2453314 |
| 09:47.16 | florian_kc | neal: not sure, i remeber i used two different things.. |
| 09:47.26 | florian_kc | neal: ok, let me see... |
| 09:48.31 | neal | ah. |
| 09:48.38 | neal | gpe-calendar uses cdbs |
| 09:49.20 | neal | although it seem that you're not taking full advantage of it |
| 09:50.22 | florian_kc | neal: yes, iirc that's more or less how it was don for the original debian package. |
| 09:50.42 | florian_kc | neal: cdbs looks pretty good... |
| 09:51.33 | florian_kc | neal: sounds like i should work on packaging a little bit some time. |
| 09:52.18 | neal | not pressing. |
| 09:53.54 | neal | I'm happy that you've built the -dev packages. |
| 09:54.23 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 09:54.41 | florian_kc | without them there is no way to get the dependencies right |
| 09:54.43 | neal | In fact, I'm happy you've done all the packaging stuff so far. |
| 10:01.08 | florian_kc | heh |
| 10:01.49 | florian_kc | well... i admit i prefer doing OpenEmbedded stuff, in most cases it is easier |
| 10:02.04 | neal | you mean as opposed to debian stuff? |
| 10:02.07 | neal | or maemo stuff? |
| 10:03.24 | florian_kc | neal: yes |
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| 10:30.05 | neal | florian: The GKeyFile stuff is nice and easy. |
| 10:30.09 | neal | thanks. |
| 10:32.14 | florian_kc | neal: yep - i like that too :-) |
| 10:32.28 | neal | I just wonder how expensive it is. |
| 10:32.37 | neal | On the other hand, it's definately way cheaper than parsing XML |
| 10:35.29 | florian_kc | i guess so |
| 10:38.22 | pb_ | florian_kc: good morning |
| 10:38.39 | pb_ | zecke: good morning |
| 10:38.49 | florian_kc | hi pb_ |
| 10:43.11 | neal | http://walfield.org/gpe.jpg |
| 10:43.21 | neal | florian, pb: What do you think? |
| 10:52.51 | florian_kc | neal: yes... looks cleaned up. |
| 10:53.32 | florian_kc | neal: what do you hide behind the open menu? :) |
| 10:58.01 | neal | florian: Nothing. |
| 10:58.16 | neal | florian: Demonstrating that the sidebar and the various applets can be turned off. |
| 10:58.44 | neal | florian: But behind the menu are the view options |
| 10:58.52 | neal | (day, week, month, event list) |
| 10:59.49 | florian_kc | neal: yep perfect, i like it. it might be cool to det the initial values depending on the screen size :) |
| 10:59.59 | neal | they are! |
| 11:00.02 | neal | :-) |
| 11:00.06 | neal | at least they should be. |
| 11:00.18 | neal | so, on tiny screens, the sidebar is completely disabled |
| 11:00.25 | neal | on small screens, the calendar applet is disabled |
| 11:00.34 | neal | otherwise, all three are enabled. |
| 11:00.43 | florian_kc | cool! |
| 11:01.07 | neal | and when there is not enough space, the datesel will not be in the toolbar. |
| 11:01.12 | neal | but on its own line |
| 11:01.14 | neal | like before |
| 11:01.56 | neal | That needs testing though: I'm not sure my fitting algorithm is completely correct. |
| 11:03.56 | florian_kc | neal: i'll try to build familiar packages later :-) |
| 11:04.16 | neal | cool. |
| 11:04.16 | neal | I'm interested in maemo packages. |
| 11:04.27 | neal | I've checked in a fix which should hopefully fix https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=538 |
| 11:04.33 | neal | but I haven't tested it on the device yet. |
| 11:05.12 | florian_kc | oh... hrm, i have some fear it will have to wait till tomorrow evening. :-/ |
| 11:05.22 | florian_kc | hmm maemo - ok, that will be faster. |
| 11:07.01 | neal | no worries. |
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| 13:51.31 | florian_kc | neal: "main.c:1457: error: `appview' undeclared (first use in this function)" |
| 13:52.07 | florian_kc | neal: i got this building a new gpe-calendar package |
| 13:55.18 | neal | thanks. |
| 13:58.49 | neal | florian: Fix checked in. |
| 14:02.05 | florian_kc | neal: g_date_set_time_t() isn't present in maemo 2.0 |
| 14:02.12 | neal | why? |
| 14:02.26 | neal | :-) |
| 14:02.58 | neal | oh. |
| 14:03.01 | neal | that's only since 2.10 |
| 14:03.06 | neal | interesting. |
| 14:05.13 | neal | florian: any other errors? |
| 14:07.44 | florian_kc | neal: yes - undefined reference to `gpe_cal_fullscreen_toggle' |
| 14:07.50 | neal | arg. |
| 14:08.10 | florian_kc | that's from main.o |
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| 16:36.46 | hrw | someone know why rxvt use other size then I set in gpe-conf? (I relogged) |
| 16:37.03 | pb_ | probably a bug |
| 16:39.18 | neal | is there an easy way to add native scrolling to a widget? |
| 16:39.23 | neal | namely, a GtkDrawingArea |
| 16:39.29 | neal | or do I have to derive a new class |
| 16:39.40 | pb_ | I'm not sure I understand the question |
| 16:39.44 | pb_ | what do you mean by "native scrolling"? |
| 16:39.57 | pb_ | if you just want it to have scrollbars, put it inside a GtkScrolledWindow |
| 16:40.00 | neal | the same thing the gtk manual means |
| 16:40.16 | pb_ | oh, right, as in not having to use a GtkViewport? |
| 16:40.20 | neal | right |
| 16:40.50 | pb_ | I don't think there's any easy way to do that without deriving a new class, and it's not totally obvious to me that it would buy much. Why do you want to? |
| 16:41.11 | neal | Pain. |
| 16:41.13 | neal | I like pain. |
| 16:41.19 | neal | I don't have enough of it. |
| 16:41.26 | pb_ | ah |
| 16:41.33 | neal | So I thought: bring native scrolling to some of your widgets |
| 16:41.39 | neal | they'll look way cooler that way. |
| 16:41.52 | neal | where pain => control |
| 16:57.50 | lardman | bye chaps |
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| 19:10.22 | neal | what's the reason osso_initialize would fail in a scratchbox? |
| 19:10.26 | neal | ww. |
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| 20:12.14 | mmp | good evening everybody:) |
| 20:13.49 | mmp | neal: I just studied a bit GCS; and I'm a bit scared of/unsure with one thing do I really need everyone who makes contribution to program to send papers to FSF? (I know it's not coding nor SoC related, but it sounds strange, and I have not heard about that yet) |
| 20:14.40 | mmp | or this applies just to GNU projects? |
| 20:15.10 | neal | mmp: GPE does not require copyright assignments. |
| 20:15.11 | ||cw | mmp: if you want to transfer copywrite of code, a legal document is required, at least in the US |
| 20:15.22 | neal | mmp: But official GNU projects do. |
| 20:15.55 | neal | mmp: From a legal point of view, it is a much better idea. |
| 20:16.12 | neal | that is, from a defense of copyright point of view |
| 20:16.13 | ||cw | IIRC to be hosted at savannah.gu.org it is required, whihc GPE isn't AFAIK |
| 20:16.23 | mmp | neal: Yes, I know. But from social point of view, it scares 11 of 10 contributors IMO. |
| 20:16.46 | neal | ||cw : I don't think that is the case. |
| 20:16.47 | ||cw | mmp: I have not seen that problem |
| 20:17.00 | ||cw | I went rhought this with phpgroupware, no one had a problem with it |
| 20:17.24 | neal | But people are not scared as there is nothing to be scared. |
| 20:17.42 | ||cw | neal: to be on gnu.org the project has to a gnu project and with very few exceptions, has to bone up the gnu standard |
| 20:17.51 | mmp | ||cw: Hmm, from my point of view; I don't know if I wrote/submitted some patch if I even had to write and sign some papers and send it to FSF. |
| 20:18.14 | ||cw | mmp: not every patch has to have a compywrite release |
| 20:18.29 | neal | ||cw: maybe I'm confused because the front page lists some non-gnu projects |
| 20:18.44 | mmp | ||cw: just significant contribution iirc |
| 20:18.53 | ||cw | neal: i think the front page also lists projects from nongnu.org |
| 20:18.57 | neal | but they may wvery well all appear on savannah.nongnu.org |
| 20:19.50 | ||cw | mmp: for the most part, patches are seen as donations to the copywrite holder |
| 20:20.29 | ||cw | and making a patch available is not the same as sending a patch in |
| 20:20.51 | ||cw | GPL only says you have to make it available, it does not require that you donate the patch to the original author |
| 20:21.35 | mmp | And when author decides that he will merge the patch? If I understand everything correctly, then the paperwork is needed... |
| 20:22.04 | neal | for non-trivial changes, that's true |
| 20:23.32 | ||cw | if the author of a GNU component wants to downlaod a patch for his project that is copywrited by someone else (in a way which the GPL allows) then he has to get copywrite release, so yes |
| 20:23.56 | mmp | hmm, correct me if I'm wrong - the papers have to be sent by snail mail and hand-signed? Or they can be sent by e-mail as well? |
| 20:24.09 | ||cw | i think they can be faxed |
| 20:24.56 | ||cw | I'm not aware of sign-scan-email being a legaly binding facimile |
| 20:25.06 | ||cw | plain ol' fax is |
| 20:25.45 | ||cw | there is acountability in fax that email doens't provide |
| 20:26.35 | ||cw | such as fax machines commonly timestamp incomming documents, and that timestamp can be matched up with phone company billing records to verify the sender |
| 20:27.04 | mmp | :-) |
| 20:27.30 | ||cw | "public" fax terminals typical require some form of payment, or a manned log (like at a hotel's complementory fax service) and so are also accountable |
| 20:28.17 | ||cw | couple years ago i spend about a week learning about how the GPL and copywrite works |
| 20:28.42 | mmp | ||cw: :-) Looks like I have many things to learn. |
| 20:29.36 | mmp | neal, ||cw: thank you very much. My knowledge grew again a bit:) |
| 20:30.20 | neal | no problem |
| 20:30.24 | mmp | And, probably good night as well... |
| 20:30.37 | ||cw | interesting things, as far as SCo goes, they are shooting themselves int he foot either way. if they win, they have lots of GPL code in their offereing that is used legaly, but if they manage to prove that the GPL can't be help up in court, they will get sued left and right for using people's copywrited code without explicit permission |
| 20:31.12 | ||cw | the GPL is all that is giving them permission now |
| 20:31.31 | ||cw | they take that away and ... |
| 20:32.31 | mmp | ||cw: ... there will remain just emptyness:) |
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