| 00:21.11 | florian_ | good night |
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| 02:24.16 | france__ | hi |
| 02:24.22 | france__ | florian_kc: sure |
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| 09:39.15 | CoreDump|home | hi |
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| 10:37.44 | florian_kc | good morning |
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| 14:06.12 | neal | florian: What's up with menus on pdas? |
| 14:06.39 | neal | gpe-calendar, as inherited, has no menus |
| 14:06.44 | neal | why not? |
| 14:06.49 | neal | is there something against them? |
| 14:07.06 | neal | I think the toolbar is too crowded and I'd like to get rid of some of the less used icons |
| 14:12.04 | florian_kc | neal: That's subject of a long discussion. |
| 14:12.33 | neal | florian: What's the synopsis? |
| 14:13.10 | florian_kc | neal: basically you are right - the disdvantage of menus is that they are hard to use if you are using a device really mobile. |
| 14:13.57 | neal | it works on the 770 |
| 14:14.15 | florian_kc | neal: ... and they take up screen space. i always wanted to do some research in this area like adding a menu combined or instead of the window decoration. |
| 14:15.37 | neal | florian: I think at least for gpe-calendar, it makes sense to reinstate a menubar |
| 14:15.46 | neal | florian: There are too many tool bar buttons. |
| 14:16.02 | florian_kc | neal: right, they have two important constrants: the menu physically large and the basic functions are available without using the menu. |
| 14:16.16 | florian_kc | neal: for gpe-calendar it starts to make sens, true. |
| 14:17.21 | florian_kc | neal: i wonder if we should introduce some mechanism to have a combined toolbar and menu on small screens. |
| 14:17.45 | neal | florian: I sort of like the idea of the 770: make the window title drop down a menu bar |
| 14:18.58 | florian_kc | neal: hmm, right - we could do that easily if we'd remove the X decoration on small screens and made a widget for that purpose. |
| 14:19.52 | florian_kc | neal: we could handle this througk libgpewidget to make sure the application look like desktop applications if there is enough screen space. |
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| 15:10.27 | tpdd | hey just wanted to say thanks for the fine work, on the GPE pim programs! |
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| 15:17.29 | florian_kc | bbl |
| 15:17.45 | florian_kc | tpdd: nice to hear! |
| 15:17.48 | florian_kc | now relly... |
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| 15:33.52 | france | ibot seen florian |
| 15:34.10 | ibot | florian <n=fuchs@p5083B513.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 18h 17s ago, saying: 'france__: can you create me an account on the ftp server? uploading packages and testing a build description is a pain if it takes hours till the file is in place.'. |
| 15:36.25 | mmp | france: florian_kc just left ~20 mins. ago |
| 15:41.48 | Xromer|work | guys: How can i organize the mime of gpe-filemanager? |
| 15:42.24 | Xromer|work | I' m using it but i can' t understand the files to edit for mime |
| 15:44.09 | Xromer|work | If i understand i could ditribute it with the ipk package to use the major programs with files of abiword,gnumeric and others |
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| 16:03.03 | france | mmp: thanks |
| 16:03.21 | mmp | france: for what? |
| 16:03.44 | france | mmp: the info |
| 16:04.06 | mmp | ahaa; sorry, I forgot:) |
| 16:08.32 | france | lol |
| 16:21.45 | neal | florian: What's the right value to pass to gpe_find_icon_scaled for menu items? |
| 16:21.54 | neal | or how do I find out what value to pass? |
| 16:22.19 | neal | well toolbars, gtk_toolbar_get_icon_size is used |
| 16:22.28 | neal | but I can't find a similar function for menu items |
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| 16:33.09 | neal | GTK_ICON_SIZE_MENU |
| 16:35.00 | goxboxlive | how do i check my bluetooth speed? |
| 16:35.13 | goxboxlive | or serial port speed |
| 16:35.22 | emte | radar detector |
| 16:35.28 | emte | :P |
| 16:35.57 | emte | serail port speed depends on quite a few factors |
| 16:36.01 | emte | serial* |
| 16:36.03 | mmp | goxboxlive: with serial port - maybe there is some ioctl to query settings... |
| 16:36.26 | goxboxlive | no i found it: 'stty' |
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| 18:05.58 | florian | re |
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| 19:41.30 | neal | is there a GtkPane type thing which supports more than 2 panes? |
| 19:41.45 | neal | GtkPaned |
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| 19:53.40 | florian | imho no |
| 19:54.03 | neal | florian: Was that directed to me? |
| 19:55.03 | florian | neal: yes |
| 19:55.25 | neal | so, in your humble opinion, this feature does not exist :-) |
| 19:55.28 | neal | interesting idea |
| 19:55.34 | neal | :-) |
| 19:56.50 | florian | neal: yes, i don't claim to know everything about GTK :-) |
| 19:57.11 | neal | it's the idea that existence is a function of opinion |
| 19:57.16 | neal | it's cute |
| 19:57.34 | florian | :-) |
| 19:58.37 | neal | meinen !=== opine |
| 19:59.52 | florian | Do we have that operator in C? ;) |
| 20:00.03 | neal | not strictly equal to |
| 20:00.11 | neal | might be one too many ='s |
| 20:01.32 | neal | http://mypage.iu.edu/~colallen/lp/node25.html |
| 20:01.33 | neal | for instance |
| 20:04.09 | florian | hum... well ok, let me try what Lua says :-) |
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| 20:32.32 | mmp | florian: hello; is there any simple package with automake macros for DBUS? |
| 20:33.07 | mmp | so far I have found something like this: http://raphael.slinckx.net/dbustutorial.php |
| 20:34.16 | mmp | But that does not handle detection of dbus (at least I don't see it there) |
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| 20:53.58 | florian | mmp: i think so, wait |
| 20:54.58 | goxboxlive_ | florian: Have you added yhe files in to the OE yet? |
| 20:56.32 | florian | mmp: Just use PKG_CHECK_MODULES and check for "dbus-glib-1". |
| 20:56.47 | mmp | :-) |
| 20:56.49 | florian | goxboxlive: no, not yet - i want to make calibration work first. |
| 21:06.50 | mmp | florian: dbus-binding-tools comes with extensive builtin documentation: dbus-binding-tool [--version] [--help] [--pretty-print] |
| 21:06.55 | mmp | :-( |
| 21:07.40 | florian | heh |
| 21:08.23 | mmp | such as dbus-send does, in fact:-) |
| 21:08.41 | goxboxlive_ | florian: That's strange, it works under the oz354fam083 branch, but not with the dev bracnh at OE. Strange. |
| 21:09.27 | florian | goxboxlive_: i suspect a different tont configuration. it might be worth a try testing the /etc/font/ stuff from this branch. |
| 21:09.53 | goxboxlive_ | ko |
| 21:10.23 | florian | mmp: There is some pretty good article avaliable somewhere describing how to use it. I use it in this way with autotools: |
| 21:10.52 | mmp | florian: I got inspiration from the URL I pasted before:-) |
| 21:11.28 | florian | BUILT_SOURCES = DbusObjectGlue.h DbusObjectBindings.h |
| 21:12.12 | florian | DbusObjectGlue.h: interface.xml |
| 21:12.17 | florian | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.23 | florian | That's all... |
| 21:12.55 | mmp | :-) |
| 21:13.24 | mmp | hmm, I noticed one more thing - is there any file naming convention and/or code writing convention, which I should obey? |
| 21:13.26 | univac | where i can find virtual-locale-* packages? |
| 21:26.38 | florian | mmp: for file names not really, most gpe apps use GNU coding style but not all. |
| 21:28.43 | mmp | florian: ok, I will try to keep GNU standard; file names will probably similar to the gnome ones; like netconfd-main.c etc. |
| 21:29.41 | neal | mmp: and don't forget to add copyright headers to files you modify |
| 21:30.38 | mmp | neal: ok; so far I have not imported any foreign code |
| 21:30.52 | univac | its possible to set the window title in gpe-question? |
| 21:32.00 | mmp | neal: btw, do I have to keep copyright messages in every file? (I don't like one screen in source killed by copyright) Is there some way how to automate it? (e.g. during make dist:) |
| 21:32.16 | neal | yes. |
| 21:32.22 | neal | and you must put the copyright header in the file. |
| 21:32.24 | florian | univac: not sure... maybe they are obsoleted by the locale-base packages |
| 21:32.37 | florian | mmp: right, sounds good |
| 21:32.39 | neal | user this as an example: |
| 21:32.40 | neal | http://handhelds.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/gpe/base/gpe-calendar/event-menu.c |
| 21:32.45 | univac | lardman: hmm |
| 21:32.55 | neal | it's important to get this right |
| 21:33.29 | neal | the reason primarily have to do with defending the copyright |
| 21:33.37 | neal | it is also important to keep changelogs. |
| 21:33.40 | neal | for the same reason |
| 21:33.52 | neal | courts need to see who made what changes |
| 21:34.06 | neal | and you can't rely on cvs history for that. |
| 21:34.28 | mmp | why do courts need who changed what when whole file is covered by GPL? |
| 21:34.36 | mmp | need to see |
| 21:34.47 | mmp | sorry, I'm just starting to be half-asleep:) |
| 21:35.10 | neal | let's say company X users file F |
| 21:35.16 | neal | they don't release the code |
| 21:35.18 | neal | and we want to sue |
| 21:35.31 | neal | we must establish that we have a significant interest to properly sue |
| 21:35.46 | neal | ideally you want just one or two copyright holders for any peice of code |
| 21:35.48 | neal | gpe doesn't do this |
| 21:35.53 | neal | most GNU software does |
| 21:36.00 | neal | (copyright assignments to the FSF) |
| 21:36.10 | mmp | ahaa |
| 21:36.34 | mmp | starts to give some logic:) |
| 21:36.40 | neal | I'm not a lawyer |
| 21:36.45 | neal | but look at the SCO case |
| 21:36.49 | neal | real pain |
| 21:37.03 | mmp | yes :-( |
| 21:37.07 | neal | and this is partly because contributions were not properly recorded |
| 21:37.33 | mmp | is one changelog per project enough, or I should keep changelogs in comments at file beginnings? |
| 21:37.44 | neal | whenever you commit. |
| 21:38.09 | neal | here's what I do: |
| 21:38.10 | neal | http://handhelds.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/~checkout~/gpe/base/gpe-calendar/ChangeLog?rev=1.445&content-type=text/plain |
| 21:38.14 | mmp | hmm, moment, maybe I misunderstood - <neal> and you can't rely on cvs history for that. |
| 21:38.29 | mmp | aha, cvs history != cvs changelogs |
| 21:38.51 | neal | my change logs tend to follow GNU coding standards |
| 21:39.44 | mmp | ok, I will do so, too. |
| 21:39.56 | mmp | is such heavy logging neccessary? |
| 21:40.32 | neal | you only need to document what you've changed |
| 21:40.36 | mmp | just for that one file is already is a nice piece of literature:) |
| 21:40.50 | neal | if you introduce a new file, you can simply say: * foo.c: New file. |
| 21:41.02 | florian | Nts nice, but not a must... neal and pb_ do very verbose changelogs. |
| 21:41.16 | neal | at least according to the GCS, this is desired. |
| 21:41.49 | mmp | hmm, Ok. |
| 21:42.31 | mmp | is it ok to develop for now my code without CVS? I just want to have some fixed skeleton, so I will not need to change the structure of project heavily. |
| 21:43.12 | florian | mmp: it is possible but cvs is useful even if you are alone: it doesn't forget. |
| 21:44.05 | mmp | florian: I know, but now I will mostly do some big moves, directories change/renamings. Which are things which CVS doesn't like very much. |
| 21:44.26 | florian | mmp: that's true, you should have the basic structure fixed |
| 21:44.35 | mmp | When I will have something stable, I will commit. |
| 21:45.57 | mmp | Thank you very much, neal, florian:) |
| 21:46.19 | florian | mmp: yw |
| 21:46.40 | mmp | I'll go probably off to sleep a bit, tomorrow I have english exam/(final?) :) |
| 21:47.15 | florian | mmp: good luck... well you just precticed a little bit ;) |
| 21:47.53 | neal | np |
| 21:48.00 | mmp | florian: :-)) Right. I will need it; I have to talk 10 mins fluently about some elementary things about biometry. |
| 21:48.11 | mmp | will be fun:-) |
| 21:48.44 | mmp | good night:) |
| 21:48.47 | florian | mmp: enjoy |
| 21:48.54 | florian | mmp: good night |
| 21:48.56 | mmp | thanks:) |
| 22:07.50 | florian | eeks! |
| 22:07.56 | florian | that was *close* |
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| 22:09.52 | florian | We have a thunderstorm here... |
| 22:09.57 | florian | hi mallum |
| 22:10.03 | mallum | hey florian |
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| 22:57.27 | florian | good night |
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