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| 01:14.32 | balrog-kun | hey |
| 01:15.10 | balrog-kun | where are the contents of the Application Launcher menu and the desktop icons stored? |
| 01:16.26 | balrog-kun | i told mc to grep all the filesystem for "gomunicator" in plaintext and it didn't find anything that looked like a menu entry record |
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| 05:47.25 | rob_w | balrog-kun, /usr/share/applications .. but gomunicator does miss that needed file in some versions |
| 05:48.24 | balrog-kun | ah |
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| 07:12.33 | Genesis | bonjour |
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| 07:54.01 | florian | good morning |
| 07:54.49 | pb_ | florian: good morning! |
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| 08:11.34 | mmp | Hello; is there any script which could simplify building GPE on x86? I used for i in *; do ... for autogen, configure and so, but it is not the best solution IMO:-) |
| 08:23.31 | florian | mmp: indeed.. that one is missing, but the core components use autotools so it might be possible to create a global autofoo file. |
| 08:25.41 | florian | ~lart fbreader |
| 08:27.06 | mmp | florian: ok:-) |
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| 09:04.31 | justalad | Have anybody working linphone on hx4700? |
| 10:19.04 | _law_ | koen, NOTE: package gobby-0.4.0rc1: completed :-) |
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| 10:34.45 | justalad | Have anybody linphone working on hx4700? |
| 10:35.26 | koen | _law_: yay! |
| 10:36.02 | _law_ | koen, i can post the required .bb |
| 10:39.43 | _law_ | http://helmsdeep.homelinux.net/~pat/gobby/ perhaps someone could test them (my Z doesnt currently start any gtk app :-(= |
| 10:40.32 | _law_ | i think i have do reflash him |
| 10:48.46 | justalad | gobby - yet another text editor? |
| 10:52.50 | mmp | justalad: Gobby is a free collaborative editor supporting multiple documents in one session and a multi-user chat. |
| 10:53.04 | mmp | (from http://darcs.0x539.de/trac/obby/cgi-bin/trac.cgi) |
| 11:04.45 | zecke | koen: got a second? |
| 11:08.57 | koen | ~herring koen |
| 11:08.59 | ibot | ACTION whacks koen on the side of the head with a large red herring named alfred |
| 11:09.11 | koen | zecke: after I have finished my fish, yes |
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| 11:17.07 | XorA | _law_: I can |
| 11:17.19 | _law_ | XorA, nice thanks |
| 11:20.40 | XorA | _law_: need the gmp patches |
| 11:21.33 | _law_ | XorA, they are already in .dev i only added cxx option in .bb file |
| 11:23.28 | XorA | _law_: cp -r gmp-4.1.2 gmp-4.1.4 ? |
| 11:24.23 | XorA | _law_: dont mind me, I misread screen |
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| 11:26.15 | _law_ | XorA, there is already an gmp-4.1.4 in the .dev brach |
| 11:27.05 | _law_ | i only changed version to r2 and added EXTRA_OECONF += " --enable-cxx" |
| 11:28.31 | XorA | _law_: arm-linux-ar: .libs/popcount.o: No such file or directory |
| 11:28.45 | XorA | in gmp |
| 11:31.11 | koen | zecke: I'm ready |
| 11:32.02 | _law_ | XorA, you have replaced gmp-4.1.4 with the version from my hp? mom i?ll also try it again |
| 11:33.02 | XorA | _law_: I did, I retrying |
| 11:33.54 | XorA | _law_: I think it worked this time, lart my amd64 |
| 11:35.18 | XorA | ~lart openssl |
| 11:35.57 | _law_ | XorA, NOTE: package gmp-4.1.4: completed |
| 11:36.11 | XorA | _law_: dont worry, its my amd64 being unstable |
| 11:54.32 | XorA | _law_: NOTE: package gobby-0.4.0rc1: completed |
| 11:55.33 | _law_ | XorA, nice |
| 12:02.35 | _law_ | XorA, doest it run on your Z ? |
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| 12:16.08 | XorA | _law_: Ill try in about an hour, watching CZW |
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| 13:12.42 | koen | yeah, dragging and dropping is quite addictive |
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| 13:26.39 | justalad | does linphone working on familar 0.8.4rc1? |
| 13:27.19 | justalad | linphone-hh I mean |
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| 18:17.29 | *** topic/#gpe is The GPE Palmtop Environment - http://gpe.handhelds.org/ | GPE Wiki: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/GPEProject |familiar snapshots: http://familiar.handhelds.org/snapshots/ | Development Manual (in progress): http://www.kernelconcepts.de/~fuchs/gpe/doc/devmanual/ | GPE 2.7 released! | 1000 checkins since april 2nd 2005 |
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| 18:31.33 | Jamba | can someone help em out. I finally got java instaslled on my ipaq 5400 and now im getting a strange error when I run my swing application. The error goes something like this: java.awt.AWTException |
| 18:31.37 | Jamba | cannot open XIM |
| 18:31.54 | Jamba | ive tried googling it but i cant seem to find anything that helps |
| 18:32.08 | Jamba | has anyone ever seen or know of this problem before? |
| 18:41.05 | Jamba | does anyone have any idea? |
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| 19:07.49 | mmp | zecke, joshua_: Hello; I had a quick think about the netconf app; I'm not sure if I can abide that it will use /etc/network/interfaces.. |
| 19:08.08 | mmp | (assuming that /etc/network/interfaces is the same as in Debian) |
| 19:08.58 | mmp | because the daemon in background which takes care about switching connections needs to implement superset of 'interfaces' features. |
| 19:10.02 | zecke | I don't follow :) |
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| 19:10.14 | zecke | mmp: best to talk with florian and pb_ about it |
| 19:10.22 | zecke | mmp: they are the true GPE devs (among others) |
| 19:11.09 | mmp | zecke: :-) well, you proposed to use gnome network manager yesterday, so I just wanted to tell you... |
| 19:11.18 | mmp | :-) |
| 19:11.42 | koen | http://rlove.org/images/nm-screenshot-20060504.png |
| 19:12.05 | zecke | koen: hehe |
| 19:12.17 | zecke | mmp: well, I think it is okay to save more than interfaces can hold |
| 19:12.29 | zecke | mmp: e.g. you can make it call special scripts on ifup/ifdown |
| 19:13.00 | mmp | koen: :-D |
| 19:13.35 | mmp | zecke: yes, but if I will have some daemon running, it can possibly interfere with if[up|down] scripts... |
| 19:13.59 | zecke | mmp: well ifup/ifdown could call (d-bus) the network manager :} |
| 19:14.37 | mmp | hmm, but that would involve changing the ifup/down scripts... |
| 19:15.15 | mmp | And, if we'll have some beast like network manager daemon running, I can't fully imagine further purpose of those scripts.... |
| 19:15.31 | mmp | Most of such things would be handled by scripts. |
| 19:15.35 | mmp | err, daemon |
| 19:15.42 | mmp | thinking too much forward:-) |
| 19:16.25 | mmp | I have to think about it a bit; I didn't count wirh the possibility of modifying those scripts... |
| 19:17.10 | mmp | The original idea was more like classic frontend to network settings; the current idea is really much more like "network connection manager" |
| 19:29.32 | mmp | all: if anyone has some comments to network manager, just say it:-) |
| 19:31.05 | zecke | mmp: yeah exactly |
| 19:31.13 | zecke | ifup eth0 -> could call NetworkManager |
| 19:31.16 | zecke | (using pre up) |
| 19:31.58 | mmp | hmm, so in fact if[up|down] would act just like some hints for NetworkManager to enable/disable network interface? |
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| 19:35.40 | bedboi | hi there |
| 19:35.53 | goxboxlive | HI Zecke, i am here to :-) with some qustions as allways. But this one goes for everyone: Is there a way to make GPE rotate automatic like Opie does? |
| 19:36.11 | koen | goxboxlive: on what hardware? |
| 19:36.15 | bedboi | automatic? |
| 19:36.19 | goxboxlive | HTC universal |
| 19:36.24 | koen | sure |
| 19:36.26 | bedboi | koen: hi there |
| 19:36.29 | koen | hey bedboi |
| 19:36.40 | bedboi | long time no see |
| 19:36.45 | bedboi | i've been really busy this months |
| 19:38.05 | goxboxlive | Koen: So it is possible. How? |
| 19:38.54 | koen | goxboxlive: hook up a script to listen to the switch |
| 19:40.45 | goxboxlive | Ok. |
| 19:40.54 | zecke | goxboxlive: hey |
| 19:42.46 | goxboxlive | zecke: Hi there. |
| 19:42.50 | bedboi | koen: any cool news? |
| 19:43.33 | koen | bedboi: neal has been doing cool stuff with gpe-calendar |
| 19:43.48 | koen | bedboi: http://walfield.org/gpe-day-view.jpg |
| 19:44.36 | koen | and the maemo version: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/pda/files/dayview2.png |
| 19:44.49 | bedboi | ah kool |
| 19:44.56 | bedboi | s/kool/cool |
| 19:45.00 | bedboi | want it |
| 19:46.05 | bedboi | what's that green stuff? |
| 19:46.12 | koen | the current time |
| 19:46.25 | bedboi | ah |
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| 19:47.14 | bedboi | koen: are there packages? |
| 19:47.43 | koen | yes |
| 19:47.53 | koen | http://www.kernelconcepts.de/~fuchs/nokia770/experimental/ should have them |
| 19:48.02 | koen | otherwise ask neal or jpetersen |
| 19:48.04 | bedboi | is still sync in progress? |
| 19:49.12 | bedboi | and i bet we can't play alarms on maemo |
| 19:49.17 | bedboi | on n770 |
| 20:04.43 | bedboi | koen: that gpe-calendar package has some bugs |
| 20:04.50 | bedboi | at least i think so |
| 20:05.26 | bedboi | in the time column in day view i have something live |
| 20:05.30 | bedboi | s/live/like |
| 20:05.55 | bedboi | 10:00am, 10:59am, 11:59am,01:01pm,02:01pm,03:00 |
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| 20:06.50 | bedboi | also i find not pratical limiting the view from 07 in the morning to 6 in the afternoon |
| 20:13.50 | mmp | btw, is there any change that the network configurator/manager project will get accepted? |
| 20:13.54 | mmp | (Summer of code project) |
| 20:28.44 | koen | bedboi: the view is dynamic, it will fit itself to the appointments present |
| 20:28.46 | koen | (iirc) |
| 21:41.13 | joshua_ | mmp, hmm. I was thinking that you might extend MetworkManager to keep /etc/network/interfaces in sync with what it last did so that the system can boot and mount network filesystems if needed, then have networkmanager take over once the machine has booted. |
| 21:41.36 | joshua_ | I wouldn't be terribly broken up if it didn't, though, as long as it could peacefully coexist with /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 21:41.56 | joshua_ | maybe a "Write interfaces File..." option in a menu? |
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| 21:43.51 | mmp | joshua_: Hmm, but that isn't very user-friendly... |
| 21:44.27 | mmp | but keeping interfaces in sync with actual state sounds quite good... |
| 21:46.26 | joshua_ | or a "Make configuration permanent" option, heh |
| 21:47.36 | mmp | Hmm, has to be solved; keeping it too much with sync could harm quite a lot - if you mount some filesystems which are on wireless network, it can cause problems. |
| 21:48.31 | mmp | The current idea is quite 'internet-centric' - it concentrates to keep internet connection as long as possible. |
| 21:48.58 | mmp | But it is probably not good enough to be general-purpose application. |
| 21:50.13 | mmp | there has to be some 'via media aurea' :-) |
| 21:52.07 | joshua_ | I like the idea of a "Make this configuraiton permanent" button... so I can save my configuration that I set up at home as default, and then change things as needed... |
| 21:53.19 | mmp | joshua_: Well, there is one more solution - network profiles |
| 21:53.43 | joshua_ | yup |
| 21:53.56 | joshua_ | and perhaps the default profile gets written to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:53.57 | mmp | But this has it's pros and cons - it is quite flexible, but it can also be too confusing. |
| 21:54.23 | joshua_ | hmm. having a profiles menu might not be all that bad, with just "save this as a profile" |
| 21:56.13 | mmp | joshua_: few hours ago I read some design goals from network manager homepage - http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/developers/design_goals.html |
| 21:56.38 | mmp | They seem to be quite good start for now... |
| 21:56.51 | joshua_ | nod. |
| 21:57.07 | joshua_ | here's why I like the idea of profiles, even if they don't: |
| 21:57.55 | joshua_ | with profiles, I can add a cost and speed to each profile, and have networkmanager figure out the cheapest (then if there's still a debate from there, fastest) way out to the net from there. |
| 21:58.30 | joshua_ | although, actually, I guess that that would just be accomplished with properties of connections |
| 21:58.52 | joshua_ | profiles I guess don't makes o much sense in the case of a networkmanager, since you really only 'use' one way out |
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| 22:03.01 | mmp | joshua_: Connection properties are better than profiles (for network autoconfiguration; because things can happen just automagically), but the problem is the switching of connections - there is no way to tell daemon to not do switching |
| 22:03.09 | mmp | when one doesn't want to switch. |
| 22:03.18 | mmp | Well, except killing daemon;-) |
| 22:04.24 | joshua_ | hmm, have an 'automatic' option that is the default, and if you want to force a connection, go in through the menu? |
| 22:04.34 | mmp | joshua_: that might be the right way. |
| 22:05.50 | mmp | joshua_: generally, there is split point between normal users (who usually want to "just get net connection") and developers/advanced users, who need more powerful tools to do what they want. |
| 22:07.20 | mmp | but forcing sounds reasonably correct. |
| 22:11.08 | mmp | maybe the forced connection could get even actually written to interfaces. |
| 22:11.31 | mmp | So it will become default until some other change. |
| 22:23.26 | mmp | good night and thanks for advices:-) |
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| 23:10.16 | Philippe | hmm, interesting http://www.murrayc.com/gallery/d/3458-2/IMGP0759.JPG |
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