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| 08:41.24 | neal | morning. |
| 08:41.42 | koen | hey neal |
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| 08:42.58 | neal | hi koen. |
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| 09:00.17 | pb_ | hi neal |
| 09:02.27 | CoreDump|home | morning |
| 09:04.06 | neal | hey pb. |
| 09:52.49 | rob_w | neal, did you solve the scrolledwindow thing ? |
| 09:52.54 | neal | sort of. |
| 09:53.09 | neal | there were two problems |
| 09:53.14 | rob_w | oh |
| 09:53.14 | neal | one was just being stupid |
| 09:53.36 | neal | and the other is that I didn't completely understand how a GtkScrolledWindow works |
| 09:53.52 | neal | it always requests the minimum size possible |
| 09:53.53 | rob_w | i see , so now u do ;-) |
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| 09:54.11 | neal | the assumption is that the child takes more space than can be properly displayed |
| 09:54.29 | rob_w | right , so the it should scroll , right ? |
| 09:54.37 | neal | and that's why the programmer chose the scrolled window in the first place |
| 09:56.18 | neal | so basically, I need a size_request in my top level |
| 09:56.31 | neal | that gets the size from the contents and then clamps it accordingly |
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| 13:36.21 | mmp | Hello, sorry for reposting question from #handhelds.org: Is there someone I could ask few things about Summer of Code projects? More-or-less about the GPE network configuration application... . |
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| 13:49.22 | koen | mmp: just ask them, if someone knows the answer, he'll answer |
| 13:50.02 | mmp | koen: ok, thanks; I just didn't want to spam whole channel if the person(-s) isn't (aren't) here :-) |
| 13:50.39 | koen | other wise gpe@handhelds.org and summmer-administrators@handhelds.org would be good mailinglists to ask your questions |
| 13:52.10 | mmp | The question just is - what is expected from such application? It should behave just as more intelligent frontend to ifconfig(iproute?)/iwconfig/etc., or it there are some more requirements? |
| 13:54.14 | koen | IMHO it should be able to do ifup/ifdown and to scan for wifi networks |
| 13:54.22 | koen | that's what I need :) |
| 13:55.03 | mmp | Hmm, that is not very hard task I think:-) Well, I might be wrong, because I haven't played with familiar/GPE yet... |
| 13:55.30 | mmp | The major problem could be just UI design, to make it intelligent:-) |
| 13:55.34 | koen | it's not hard, but getting it foolproof will take some time |
| 13:56.14 | koen | I bet you could get the initial code done in 3-4 days |
| 13:56.46 | koen | after that the testers will find bugs/want more features |
| 13:57.22 | mmp | The longer I'm thinking about that, I think it's more reasonable to spend a week with figuring some nicer internal design of app:-) |
| 13:57.32 | mmp | to be easily extensible etc. ... |
| 13:57.37 | koen | :) |
| 13:58.14 | mmp | But when starting to think in SoC terms, relatively simple app -> many applicants:-) |
| 13:58.37 | mmp | (that was just OT) |
| 14:04.06 | mmp | btw, (I asked at handhelds.org, but no one replied so far), is there still publicly available development cluster? |
| 14:04.30 | koen | there isn't one at the moment |
| 14:04.58 | mmp | koen: what happened to it, if you know? There is nothing written at the webpage... |
| 14:05.16 | koen | it got moved to a different building, but wasn't put online |
| 14:05.27 | mmp | ahaa;-) |
| 14:06.21 | mmp | I read about migration, but have not put things together. |
| 14:06.57 | pb_ | mmp: what we're looking for is an application to provide overall control of network connectivity so that it "just works" for normal users without the need for manual hacking. It would need to be able to identify wifi and (perhaps) bluetooth networks and connect to them, dealing with WPA or WEP encryption if appropriate. Ideally it would also support configuration of IPsec VPN tunnels. It would need to support both builtin wifi (e.g. h5500) an |
| 14:06.57 | pb_ | d pcmcia/cf/usb cards. |
| 14:08.37 | mmp | pb_: Thanks. I can do testing just with my desktop x86 and gpe running on it; so far I don't have access to supported PDA. But this doesn't look so hard. And the "Just works" concept is just fine for me; I thought about something similar. |
| 14:09.12 | koen | I bet you'll have enough volunteers to test it on their pdas :) |
| 14:09.47 | pb_ | mmp: confirming that it works correctly on a handheld would be an important part of the project, so you should plan to obtain a supported device. |
| 14:10.07 | pb_ | mmp: but you're right, you can do a lot of initial testing on an x86 machine without any special hardware. |
| 14:10.25 | mmp | pb_: Uhh, well, I thought that development cluster and remote X Display could be enough. |
| 14:11.42 | pb_ | mmp: possibly, but I don't think any of the cluster machines are equipped with wireless. |
| 14:11.51 | mmp | But I'm sure I'll at least find someone who could lend me some device... . |
| 14:12.27 | mmp | is handling of wireless adapters in PDAs different from that one used in PC? (e.g. it doesn't use wireless extensions etc.) |
| 14:12.43 | pb_ | no, it should be just the same. |
| 14:13.16 | mmp | pb_: ok, so main development should be then possible on x86 and just testing is neccessary with PDAs. |
| 14:13.20 | pb_ | right |
| 14:13.51 | mmp | Hmm, actually I have access to one PDA, but I doubt it's supported (Acer n35) |
| 14:14.16 | pb_ | I think there is some support for the n30, but I don't know how similar it is to the n35. |
| 14:15.02 | koen | the n30 should be fully supported |
| 14:15.15 | koen | there's some company selling n30's with gpe preinstalled |
| 14:15.27 | mmp | one moment, I don't know if I didn't messed up numbers:-) |
| 14:15.39 | pb_ | The best platform would probably be an iPAQ of some description, or maybe a Zaurus. |
| 14:15.54 | mmp | I did, it's n50 |
| 14:16.02 | pb_ | ah. I don't know anything about the n50 |
| 14:16.34 | mmp | basically there is XScale at roughly 200MHz (don't remember exactly, +- 100MHz:-) |
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| 14:17.16 | mmp | it isn't my PDA, so I didn't attempted to flash there linux... |
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| 14:17.36 | mmp | but basically, if it is possible to leave linux image just in RAM, it shouldn't be a problem. |
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| 14:21.11 | mmp | but first thing to do will probably be to make matchbox-panel to compile on amd64 anyway:-) |
| 14:22.35 | pb_ | heh, right |
| 14:23.09 | mmp | err, not to compile, but to run:-) it crashes with floating-point exception. |
| 14:27.24 | mmp | koen, pb_: thank you very much; I'll send my application and see what will happen:-). |
| 14:27.31 | pb_ | okay, very good |
| 14:28.00 | mmp | but, one more thing - which PDA would be optimal for developing such app, if any? |
| 14:28.52 | koen | ipaq h5550 or h2200, or any zaurus would probably do |
| 14:29.00 | koen | + a cf wifi card if needed |
| 14:29.29 | mmp | hmm, don't some of them already have some CF wifi inside? |
| 14:30.06 | koen | only the h5550 (usb wifi) and the slc6000 zaurus- |
| 14:30.07 | mmp | Getting separate cf wifi could be quite hard. |
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| 14:44.58 | mmp | koen: this seems to be a bit harder; h5550 nor h2200 can be bought nearby. Just not-yet-well-supported h2700-series. |
| 14:51.41 | mmp | really the last question - do any (ideally supported) hp devices have USB Host port? |
| 14:52.12 | koen | none that I know off |
| 14:52.20 | koen | the newer zaurus machines have one |
| 14:55.42 | mmp | :-/ Those acer-thingies are pretty cheap when compared to what they include; n50 has USB Host, wifi, bt, sd&cf interface. |
| 15:00.09 | pb_ | mmp: you should be able to find an old ipaq on ebay fairly easily. |
| 15:00.33 | pb_ | none of the supported iPAQs have an accessible usb host, though you could maybe use a Ratoc card (or equivalent) |
| 15:00.55 | mmp | pb_: that's true, too:-) |
| 15:01.13 | koen | the ratoc card works great with 2.6 |
| 15:01.54 | mmp | :-) Nice to know there's something like that:-) |
| 15:02.31 | mmp | thanks^2 :-) |
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| 15:13.30 | julia | morning |
| 15:14.38 | neal | if you're in the same timezone as most people here, you're up quite late. |
| 15:14.59 | julia | It is 11:15am here |
| 15:15.11 | julia | So I guess I am on the other side of the road |
| 15:15.26 | neal | I guess by hacker standards, it's still early morning. |
| 15:15.40 | julia | I was hoping to find help on what I am doing wrong to get wireless setup |
| 15:15.57 | neal | better ask a question |
| 15:16.00 | julia | I just put GPE on my ipaq 5455 |
| 15:16.17 | julia | and it doesn't appear to do anything when I try |
| 15:16.26 | julia | wireless that is |
| 15:16.48 | julia | maybe it is because I used the 0.8.4-rc1 from handhelds.org |
| 15:17.41 | julia | my hope is to mount the device on my bike with a GPS for riding to college this fall |
| 15:17.56 | julia | I am transfering to UMass |
| 15:18.34 | julia | wlan0 shows up in the network config |
| 15:18.50 | julia | but, I put in the access point, and the wep key |
| 15:19.03 | julia | and nothig seems to happen |
| 15:19.23 | julia | I don't know if the 'green' light should come on to show the wirless is working |
| 15:19.33 | julia | the blue light comes on when I use the bluetooth |
| 15:19.46 | julia | though the bluetooth won't connect to my gps |
| 15:23.40 | pb_ | one of the lights should flash when the wifi is active, yes |
| 15:24.32 | mmp | julia: I'm new here, so I can offer only often seen bug when configuring desktop wifi - I don't know what chipset and driver do you use, but with certain drivers need ifconfig wlan0 up ... |
| 15:24.32 | pb_ | I'm not sure why that wouldn't be happening for you. You probably need to speak to florian regarding the network settings application. |
| 15:25.06 | mmp | pb_: there is already application for setting up network? |
| 15:25.15 | julia | do I have to do the ifconfig wlan0 up in a terminal? |
| 15:25.16 | pb_ | mmp: sort of, but it isn't very satisfactory |
| 15:25.23 | pb_ | julia: that's worth a try |
| 15:25.33 | julia | there is a wlan setup in the config panel |
| 15:25.38 | julia | but it doesn't seem to do much |
| 15:26.37 | julia | ifconfig not found |
| 15:26.48 | pb_ | try /sbin/ifconfig |
| 15:26.55 | l1nux | koen, PrismStumbler, or gpe-aerial work with atmel(usb) in h5xxx ? |
| 15:27.07 | koen | l1nux: I only tried kismet |
| 15:28.09 | l1nux | koen, kismet work ? |
| 15:28.18 | koen | yes |
| 15:28.25 | l1nux | hmm.. |
| 15:28.41 | l1nux | but no gui for gpe ? |
| 15:29.00 | julia | it seems to be working now |
| 15:29.07 | mmp | julia: great:-) |
| 15:29.14 | julia | though the light only comes on when it is actually using the wifi |
| 15:29.33 | julia | now to get gps drive and see if my navman sleep works |
| 15:29.55 | mmp | julia: now I'm just absolutely guessing (and maybe saying just bloats): maybe powermanagement turns off transceiver... |
| 15:30.32 | julia | maybe, but the bluetooth has an option on the panel to turn the reciever on and off |
| 15:32.35 | julia | ok, next stupid question |
| 15:32.40 | julia | in the package management |
| 15:32.55 | julia | it doesn't seem to read the remote repositories by default |
| 15:33.00 | julia | is there a trick there? |
| 15:33.51 | l1nux | found wirekismet, but is to old :/ |
| 15:34.15 | julia | got it |
| 15:34.40 | mmp | julia: What was the problem? |
| 15:35.31 | julia | you have to go into the menu, packages->update lists |
| 15:35.49 | julia | it is a little misleading that when you open the package managment it says updating lists |
| 15:36.29 | julia | I'm now looking for gpsdrive and gpsd |
| 15:36.44 | julia | I REALLY want to mount this to my bike |
| 15:37.05 | julia | Though I could use the other WM2003SE and bluetooth GPS |
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| 15:45.16 | mmp | julia: according to what I googled, gpsdrive should work fine; just to connect with bt, set up few things and start riding... . (ideally) |
| 15:46.42 | julia | mmp: I am just trying to find the right repository to install from |
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| 15:49.21 | julia | I haven't used a famiiar based system in years |
| 15:49.33 | julia | last time was with a 3600 |
| 15:50.42 | julia | the 5455 installs the 3900 version of familiar |
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| 16:04.28 | julia | ok, hw do I use the command line to install gpsdrive? |
| 16:05.50 | emte | ipkg install gpsdrive.blah.blah |
| 16:06.01 | emte | i think |
| 16:10.54 | mmp | julia: where did you find repository? I googled a bit, but so far I have not found any. |
| 16:11.40 | julia | http://handhelds.org/distributions/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/ |
| 16:11.46 | mmp | :-) |
| 16:12.54 | mmp | In my language there is a saying: "Under the lamp there is the darkest place". Which is in my case appropriate:-) |
| 16:23.22 | julia | oh well, I will work on this later, I am going for a bike ride now |
| 16:24.13 | pb_ | enjoy |
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| 16:53.15 | CoreDump|home | hi |
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