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| 06:57.51 | Genesis | salut |
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| 09:21.08 | neal | greetings. |
| 09:21.20 | koen | hey neal |
| 09:21.34 | neal | hi koen. |
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| 10:13.15 | leoncamel | greetings. gpe works now. but there are still some problems . ;) |
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| 10:22.19 | Philippe | hey leoncamel |
| 10:22.23 | Philippe | what are your issues? |
| 10:43.15 | leoncamel | Philippe, Hmm. I start the /etc/X11/Xserver as a background process. |
| 10:43.31 | leoncamel | then, I start the "gpe-edit" or something else, |
| 10:44.19 | leoncamel | but it cause the Xserver Segmentation fault while the gpe-edit exit. |
| 10:45.30 | leoncamel | Hmm, I would add some debug info for debugging later. |
| 10:45.40 | leoncamel | Philippe, any idea ? |
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| 11:00.02 | Philippe | leoncamel, no clue what might happen there. Sorry... We will need debug info |
| 11:00.20 | Philippe | But usually you would like to start X etc it with gpe-dm |
| 11:02.45 | leoncamel | hmm, sure, I did start "/etc/init.d/gpe-dm start". |
| 11:03.20 | leoncamel | but, but it segmentation fault while exit the gpe-login . |
| 11:04.04 | leoncamel | So, Maybe it is the same problem ? |
| 11:04.38 | Philippe | leoncamel, probabely. It seems segfault when you exit applications. No clue why though |
| 11:04.57 | Philippe | I would blame the X-server |
| 11:05.15 | leoncamel | Philippe, :). OK, i will debug it. |
| 11:05.30 | koen | Philippe: I've problems like that when glib was misbehaving |
| 11:06.29 | Philippe | koen, ah okay. Well I have no clue what the problem is so I was guessing. |
| 11:06.35 | Philippe | leoncamel, koen might have a point too |
| 11:06.42 | koen | Philippe: same here :) |
| 11:06.53 | leoncamel | I am use the Xserver-kdrive . |
| 11:07.03 | leoncamel | I build the gpe with OE |
| 11:11.14 | Philippe | leoncamel, that does not garantee everything will be without errors ... |
| 11:12.01 | leoncamel | koen, hmm, what do you mean "garantee" ? |
| 11:12.19 | leoncamel | sorry, s/koen/Philippe |
| 11:12.20 | leoncamel | :) |
| 11:13.51 | Philippe | leoncamel, http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=guarantee (ps: sorry for the typo) |
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| 11:14.47 | leoncamel | Philippe, is there any DEBUG option I could turn on for debugging ? |
| 11:16.32 | hrw|work | ~spell garantee |
| 11:17.23 | eyck | ~spell eyck |
| 11:17.36 | eyck | cock!? dick!? |
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| 11:20.59 | eyck | I object |
| 11:23.30 | hrw|work | ~spell hrw |
| 11:23.34 | Philippe | eyck, the ibot god has spoken... No way back |
| 11:33.17 | eyck | ~spell keiko |
| 11:35.41 | Philippe | ~spell Philippe |
| 11:35.49 | Philippe | yay! |
| 12:13.33 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 12:14.58 | Philippe | hi CoreDump|home |
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| 12:43.41 | florian_kc | hi all |
| 12:46.35 | CoreDump|home | hi florian_kc |
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| 13:54.56 | florian_kc | Philippe: sounds like i should use autotools, right? |
| 13:56.00 | florian_kc | Philippe: If it can wait till monday i can try to do this till then... |
| 13:56.50 | Philippe | florian_kc, the problem is rather the machine definitions... |
| 13:57.45 | Philippe | florian_kc, I think I will just make 4 debs out of it, one for each defined machine and one for unknown machine. (copying makefiles around etc...) |
| 13:59.47 | florian_kc | hmm that's nasty indeed... maybe i could just make gpe-conf detect the machines automatically. |
| 14:01.39 | Philippe | florian_kc, that is going to be hard as you are not building it on the machine itself. It does make sense to define them. it just makes packaging hard. |
| 14:04.26 | florian_kc | Philippe: eh yes, i intended to do this at runtime :-) |
| 14:05.07 | florian_kc | hmm... the only problematic thing might be ipaq backlight interface |
| 14:23.33 | florian_kc | I'll try to do this after the colour stuff for libgpewidget and libgpepimc is finished. |
| 14:23.59 | florian_kc | zecke|baking: _bit_baking? ;-) |
| 14:25.02 | zecke|baking | hehe |
| 14:26.27 | zecke|baking | got me |
| 14:29.21 | koen | neal: do you have a screenshot showing the new event bubbles in gpe-calendar? |
| 14:32.35 | neal | koen: Which new event bubbles? |
| 14:35.30 | koen | the yellow things with appointments in the dayview |
| 14:35.54 | neal | they aren't new, though. |
| 14:36.18 | neal | anyways, this: http://walfield.org/gpe-hour-bar.jpg |
| 14:36.24 | neal | is an example. |
| 14:37.07 | koen | I know they aren't new, but the new ones have appointment info in them, not just the title |
| 14:38.05 | neal | http://walfield.org/gpe-summary.jpg |
| 14:44.23 | koen | cool, thanks |
| 14:47.06 | hrw|work | how it behave on qvga devices? |
| 14:47.28 | neal | hrw: No idea, I don't have one :-) |
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| 14:51.12 | Philippe | florian_kc, great! I look forward to it. |
| 14:51.32 | Philippe | btw does anybody know what libXsettings is exactly for. I need to make a description |
| 14:51.58 | florian_kc | Philippe: ignore that... you need libxsettings-client only now. |
| 14:52.22 | Philippe | florian_kc, so libxsettings-client does not depend on libxsettings? |
| 14:53.18 | florian_kc | Philippe: not anymore, we merged these some time ago. |
| 14:53.24 | florian_kc | hmm |
| 14:53.29 | florian_kc | mallum did iirc |
| 14:53.48 | Philippe | florian_kc, ok. Thanks. Damn, been doing some useless work again. |
| 14:54.56 | neal | philippe: What are you trying to package? |
| 14:55.00 | florian_kc | We need to document these dependencies better... |
| 14:55.56 | neal | philippe: My approach to a dependency graph has been to try and build and see what dependencies show up as missing. |
| 14:56.33 | koen | http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/pda/files/GPE-dependencymap.pdf |
| 14:57.28 | hrw|work | ok - time to go |
| 14:57.37 | hrw|work | happy Easter/weekend for everyone |
| 14:57.46 | CoreDump|home | cya hrw|work |
| 15:03.09 | Philippe | neal, I am packaging as much as I can of GPE for Debian (or better Emdebian) |
| 15:41.20 | johnX | does anyone know of a gtk/GPE app that has similar functionality to the Palm "memo" app or notez for Opie? |
| 15:43.31 | florian_kc | johnX: What do these applications exactly? |
| 15:45.11 | johnX | there's screenshots on the page for notez: http://www.holtschneider.com/notez/ |
| 15:45.51 | johnX | basically what I'm looking for is a very simple text editor that I can operate easily with only the keyboard |
| 15:47.48 | florian_kc | gpe-edit maybe, but it doesn't keep a list like that opie app |
| 15:49.01 | florian_kc | johnX: please file bugs if it lacks important keyboard controls - it was developed on a keyboard-less device. |
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| 15:50.04 | florian_kc | hi leoncamel_ |
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| 15:51.46 | florian_kc | bbl |
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| 16:06.50 | Genesis | bye |
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| 17:12.41 | Philippe | ~cluebat at maintainer that needing a mail-transport-agent is NOT done |
| 17:12.43 | ibot | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps at maintainer that needing a mail-transport-agent is NOT done. |
| 18:07.51 | jurop88 | hi all |
| 18:12.39 | Philippe | hello jurop88 |
| 18:24.57 | koen|tv | Philippe: probably because xorg isn't in yet |
| 18:25.30 | Philippe | koen|tv, ii xserver-xorg 6.9.0.dfsg.1-5 the X.Org X server |
| 18:25.50 | CoreDump|home | been in for ages ;) |
| 18:26.34 | koen|tv | and the correct libx11-dev as well? |
| 18:26.47 | koen|tv | (xorg is more than one xserver) |
| 18:26.53 | Philippe | I guess so. That one has /usr/lib/pkgconfig/xorg-server.pc |
| 18:26.59 | koen|tv | the .pc probably comes from the modular one |
| 18:27.14 | koen|tv | which isn't in |
| 18:28.33 | Philippe | aha, found... seems that they have it in some libx11-dev package now. (seems to install a lot of new packages.) |
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| 18:31.47 | koen|tv | Philippe: you went from xfree to xorg |
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| 18:33.19 | Philippe | koen|tv, I already did that months ago... |
| 18:33.33 | Philippe | seems they don't keep up with the dev libraries |
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| 18:57.21 | mimecar | hi |
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| 19:10.03 | mimecar | hi cbrake |
| 19:10.16 | cbrake | mimecar: hello |
| 19:10.58 | mimecar | Philippe: would run on openzaurus ? |
| 19:11.23 | Philippe | mimecar, I am just building the source packages and verifying them on i386 |
| 19:11.28 | mimecar | ok |
| 19:11.55 | Philippe | mimecar, if Debian ever will run nicely on openzaurus you might :-) |
| 19:12.57 | mimecar | xDD |
| 19:13.37 | mimecar | Philippe: have you many free time to work on gpe ? |
| 19:13.49 | Philippe | not that much... |
| 19:14.06 | mimecar | a good timetable ? |
| 19:14.24 | Philippe | mimecar, what do you mean by that? |
| 19:14.40 | mimecar | you have some free hours at day |
| 19:15.31 | Philippe | well today is/was a day off |
| 19:17.30 | mimecar | ok |
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| 20:52.10 | CoreDump|home | hmmm now does my xmodmap file not get loaded |
| 20:57.07 | CoreDump|home | ~husky |
| 20:57.08 | ibot | hmm... husky is Sharp Zaurus SL-C760 or a dog |
| 20:58.05 | mimecar | xDDD |
| 20:58.36 | CoreDump|home | X11/Xinit.d/12keymap does not load the xmodmap file for husy and SL-Cxxxx on kernel 2.6, only 2.4. Any idea why that would be? |
| 20:58.53 | CoreDump|home | s/husky/c7x0 |
| 21:10.21 | koen|tv | CoreDump|home: missing statement for 2.6*) ? |
| 21:10.41 | CoreDump|home | looks more like it was disabled for 2.6 on purpose |
| 21:10.58 | CoreDump|home | anyway, re-enabling for keylaunch + softkeys |
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| 21:40.27 | jsun | hi - |
| 21:40.38 | jsun | I just built a GPE image. |
| 21:40.46 | jsun | however my device does not have touchpanel. |
| 21:40.58 | jsun | is there a way for me to go through the initial setup? |
| 21:41.09 | jsun | I have serial console. |
| 21:41.28 | jsun | but can't seem to login, because it complains about no shadow passwd for root. |
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| 21:57.39 | zecke|baking | hey jg |
| 21:58.59 | jg | evening zecke|baking |
| 22:15.11 | jsun | ok I can now login through serial console. |
| 22:15.30 | jsun | how do I tell GPE which touchpanel device to use? |
| 22:16.45 | mreimer | something like this: TSLIB_TSDEVICE=/dev/input/eventX |
| 22:16.59 | jsun | where do I put that? |
| 22:17.13 | jsun | I found these under /etc |
| 22:17.22 | jsun | X11/gpe-login.pre-session:# touchscreen devices # |
| 22:17.22 | jsun | X11/gpe-login.pre-session:if [ -e /dev/touchscreen/0raw ]; then |
| 22:17.22 | jsun | X11/gpe-login.pre-session:chown $USER /dev/touchscreen/0raw |
| 22:17.22 | jsun | X11/gpe-login.pre-session:if [ -e /dev/touchscreen/0 ]; then |
| 22:17.22 | jsun | X11/gpe-login.pre-session:chown $USER /dev/touchscreen/0 |
| 22:17.43 | jsun | it seems gpe is expecting something under /dev/touchscreen/ |
| 22:17.55 | jsun | I have no idea what are 0 or 0raw. |
| 22:18.06 | jsun | do they correspond to /dev/input/event?? |
| 22:22.21 | mreimer | jsun: not exactly |
| 22:22.31 | mreimer | you really want detect-stylus |
| 22:22.35 | mreimer | whicih GPE should run |
| 22:22.54 | mreimer | it probes all dev/input/event devices and sets TSLIB_TSDEVICE automatically |
| 22:24.04 | jsun | mreimer, hmm, so echo $TSLIB_TSDEVICE should tell? |
| 22:24.09 | mreimer | yep |
| 22:24.19 | jsun | I thought it was empty... let me try again. |
| 22:24.34 | jsun | btw, the device went into power suspend mode. *ick* |
| 22:24.40 | jsun | can't wake it up. |
| 22:24.52 | mreimer | jsun: /etc/profile.d/tslib.h should take care of that automatically |
| 22:24.52 | jsun | anyway to disable that? |
| 22:25.02 | mreimer | kill ipaq-sleep |
| 22:25.26 | jsun | mreimer, thanks. Will try that. |
| 22:26.03 | jsun | /etc/profile.d/tslib.h is empty. :) |
| 22:26.51 | jsun | should I fill in something meaningful (e.g., /dev/input/event0)? |
| 22:28.08 | mreimer | yes |
| 22:28.23 | mreimer | then restart gpe (/etc/init.d/gpe-dm stop, then start) |
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| 22:31.43 | jsun | mreimer, there is no ipaq-sleep.... |
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| 22:32.22 | CoreDump|afk | ahem |
| 22:32.26 | CoreDump|afk | ~pastebin |
| 22:32.27 | ibot | pastebin is, like, a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.com/, or http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 22:39.20 | moray | pb_: is there some copyright information for desktop_file.{c,h} in libgpelaunch that's not just you? |
| 22:39.49 | moray | (there's nothing in the files/elsewhere, but they look GNOME-derived) |
| 22:40.36 | pb_ | mm, they do rather |
| 22:40.43 | pb_ | I wonder where they came from |
| 22:41.09 | moray | ah, could be from desktop-file-utils? |
| 22:41.27 | pb_ | ah yes, that's it |
| 22:41.53 | moray | just trying to build a Debian package, as needed for the latest gpe-taskmanager |
| 22:41.58 | moray | so noticed that |
| 22:42.16 | pb_ | righto. that's good. |
| 22:42.20 | moray | I could add something in the Debian copyright file, but it might be better to put it in the upstream source first? |
| 22:42.41 | moray | it has an AUTHORS file |
| 22:42.50 | moray | er, desktop-file-utils does |
| 22:43.25 | moray | and ChangeLog mentioning a load more people |
| 22:44.21 | moray | of course, desktop-file-utils ought really to have copyright information in the files, then there wouldn't be a problem |
| 22:45.20 | moray | they don't appear to have discovered copyright lines |
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| 22:50.42 | pb_ | yeah, that would be ideal |
| 22:51.11 | pb_ | probably easiest for you to just put it in the Debian copyright file for now, but I'll try to add it to the upstream bits in short order. |
| 22:51.21 | moray | yeah |
| 22:52.30 | Philippe | hey moray ! |
| 22:52.55 | Philippe | I have been building deb packages of gpe also today. I also updated some of your packages. |
| 22:53.10 | Philippe | Take a look at handhelds.org/~philippe/gpe-debian |
| 22:55.57 | moray | Philippe: you know I have packages ready for gpe-calendar and its dependencies, right? |
| 22:56.10 | moray | I just haven't uploaded as it's buggy from a Debian point of view |
| 22:56.12 | moray | e.g. the atd stuff |
| 22:56.49 | Philippe | moray, no I did not know that... |
| 22:57.49 | Philippe | moray, what else do you have ready? |
| 22:58.43 | moray | (ascendit) ~/Projects/debian/gpe ls notready/ |
| 22:58.43 | moray | gpe-filemanager gpe-soundbite |
| 22:58.43 | moray | (ascendit) ~/Projects/debian/gpe ls ready/ |
| 22:58.43 | moray | gpe-announce libgpelaunch libsoundgen libxsettings-client notes~ |
| 22:58.43 | moray | gpe-calendar libschedule libxsettings notes |
| 22:59.16 | Philippe | mhh seems I have been some work you did already... |
| 22:59.33 | moray | ideally I'd put this all in svn on alioth |
| 22:59.38 | Philippe | I also did libxsettings-client libschedule & gpe-calendar |
| 22:59.39 | moray | I've just never got round to organising that |
| 23:00.03 | Philippe | libxsettings was not necessary anymore I was told by Florian. |
| 23:00.14 | moray | yeah |
| 23:00.20 | Philippe | moray, yeah that would be a good idea so we could synchronize stuff... |
| 23:01.48 | moray | e.g. sketchbook I never did as I don't want to take on every single GPE program myself :) |
| 23:01.59 | moray | same for e.g. timesheet I see in your list |
| 23:03.03 | moray | if you use these other GPE programs, maybe you could try getting some more of them in Debian itself? |
| 23:03.13 | Philippe | I also have some stuff like gpe-login and gpe-ownerinfo that is not uploaded yet. |
| 23:03.25 | Philippe | I am now doing the gpe-mini-browser. |
| 23:04.01 | Philippe | moray, that was the idea. And at the same time I thought it would be useful to update some stuff. (like libgpewidget that was 22 versions behind) |
| 23:04.38 | Philippe | see : http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEmbeddedWorkSessionExtremadura2006 |
| 23:07.07 | jsun | hmm, setting TSLIB_TSDEVICE to /dev/input/event1 does not seem to make touchpanel alive. :( |
| 23:07.24 | jsun | I added export TSLIB_TSDEVICE=/dev/input/event1 |
| 23:07.33 | jsun | to /etc/profile.d/tslib.sh |
| 23:08.04 | moray | Philippe: what am I meant to be seeing on there, apart from some event that I didn't know about that's now happened...? |
| 23:08.13 | jsun | the tpanel driver is working, as I can see the rawdata output. |
| 23:12.49 | Philippe | there is a GPE/OPIE/.. packaging thing on the todo list, which I am taking care of |
| 23:13.35 | Philippe | under agenda |
| 23:15.29 | moray | if you checked WNPP you'd find http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=327568 |
| 23:15.46 | moray | from February pointing out I had gpe-calendar packages already |
| 23:16.03 | moray | as it turned out there were still bugs, so I was waiting longer |
| 23:16.26 | moray | recently it sounded as if neal intended to get rid of the atd dependency altogether, which might make sense |
| 23:17.07 | Philippe | moray, I did not think of checking that... |
| 23:17.38 | Philippe | I thought apt-cache search gpe would give me all the info I needed... |
| 23:17.45 | moray | well, in Debian an ITP *is* the correct way to let people know you're working on something and avoid duplicate work... |
| 23:18.23 | Philippe | moray, true I should have thought of it. |
| 23:18.44 | moray | I'm happy if someone else wants to take on gpe-calendar, but as far as I know you're not a DD, so I'm not sure it's sensible to take on something that has a lot of library dependencies |
| 23:19.09 | moray | the standalone programs that use existing libraries would be a lot easier for sponsorship |
| 23:19.25 | moray | and there are lots of those unpackaged |
| 23:19.51 | Philippe | moray, correct I am not a DD. And I don't find time atm to battle me through the whole procedure. |
| 23:58.26 | Philippe | night all |
