| 00:03.59 | macado | http://handhelds.org/scap/ sylpheed works flawly on the jornada 720 after adjusting the phones/buttons' |
| 00:04.21 | univac | hm |
| 00:04.28 | macado | err |
| 00:04.32 | macado | I mean phones=fonts* |
| 00:04.39 | macado | yeah.. that was weird. |
| 00:39.18 | CSMan | so i guess now i can ask why gtk-x11 and not plain gtk? |
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| 01:29.36 | bam_ | morning |
| 01:29.52 | bam_ | how do I increase the fontsize for my time applet? |
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| 02:11.59 | bronson | Hey, how did Florian get the clock in his screenshot to be analog? |
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| 02:58.12 | Jason_Foss | Ping? |
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| 07:06.48 | ronan | yop |
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| 07:51.15 | XorA | morning |
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| 09:34.24 | florian_kc | god morning |
| 09:34.31 | florian_kc | s/god/good |
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| 10:20.23 | cedric | hi all |
| 10:21.44 | florian_kc | hi cedric |
| 10:21.50 | cedric | just wondering what the stage of the gpe image in the dev branche? just want to build one tonight to test my poodle with kernel 2.6, touchscreen is working so far... |
| 10:22.27 | florian_kc | should be useful imho, i built one some time ago but for a different device. |
| 10:23.00 | cedric | how far ago? |
| 10:31.01 | cedric | anyone else? :-) |
| 10:32.31 | florian_kc | hmm... ~ two weeks |
| 10:38.23 | cedric | so I'll be test monkey then... :-( |
| 10:42.21 | florian_kc | in .dev you always are |
| 10:52.46 | ade|desk | XorA: i think my 3630 has a dead battery |
| 10:53.01 | XorA | ade|desk: this one may be dead, I have no idea as I cant power it up |
| 10:53.15 | ade|desk | shame |
| 10:53.16 | XorA | ade|desk: idiot CEO dumped it on someones desk with instructions "Make it work" |
| 10:53.24 | ade|desk | lol |
| 10:53.34 | CoreDump|home | hehe |
| 10:53.46 | XorA | ade|desk: can you change the batteries in these? |
| 10:53.50 | johnX | cedric: I built a GPE image for akita ~24 hours ago and everything seems to work fine |
| 10:53.56 | CoreDump|home | XorA: yes |
| 10:54.00 | koen | XorA: the zaurus +5V also works on ipaqs |
| 10:54.04 | ade|desk | yeah you have to pull the thing apart |
| 10:54.20 | XorA | koen: USB charge me zaurus |
| 10:54.42 | ade|desk | you can clean the screen at the same time |
| 10:54.55 | CoreDump|home | koen: really? I have a 3630 w/ dead battery and no ac plug |
| 10:55.40 | ade|desk | XorA: http://www.ipaqrepair.co.uk/ipaqpart461.html has a howto change the battery guide as pdf |
| 10:56.07 | XorA | ade|desk: cheers |
| 10:56.12 | CoreDump|home | lol it boots |
| 10:57.07 | CoreDump|home | running opie 1.0.2 |
| 10:57.28 | ade|desk | i think my 3630 is still fam 0.7 |
| 10:57.51 | CoreDump|home | this one probably, too but I have no way to check |
| 10:58.14 | koen | cat /etc/*version |
| 10:59.22 | ade|desk | i miss my 3630 and the funky dual pcmcia jacket |
| 10:59.26 | CoreDump|home | koen: no keyboard and no docking station |
| 10:59.46 | koen | opie 1.0.2 had no vkd? funky ;) |
| 10:59.56 | CoreDump|home | lol |
| 10:59.59 | CoreDump|home | ok you are right.... |
| 11:00.43 | CoreDump|home | hah |
| 11:00.48 | CoreDump|home | fam 0.6.1 |
| 11:03.27 | CoreDump|home | time to go, later all |
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| 11:20.39 | XorA | finally found a charger to fit the 3630 |
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| 11:51.45 | cedric | johnX: thx |
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| 13:19.49 | neal | florian_kc : I see the issue. I'll work on that. |
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| 13:53.34 | florian_kc | neal: okay cool |
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| 15:06.31 | neal | is there a list where cvs check ins are sent? |
| 15:09.54 | koen | neal: http://handhelds.org:8080/gpe/timeline |
| 15:10.36 | neal | I see. |
| 15:10.39 | koen | neal: or https://handhelds.org/mailman/listinfo/cvs-updates-gpe |
| 15:10.39 | neal | thanks. |
| 15:10.44 | koen | (the archive is broken) |
| 15:11.02 | neal | that's what I'm actually looking for. |
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| 15:21.24 | some_x | hi all |
| 15:21.37 | some_x | where to download libipkg? |
| 15:21.46 | some_x | I can`t find it |
| 15:22.29 | florian_kc | some_x: that's part of ipkg |
| 15:23.36 | some_x | florian_kc: ok, I can`t find ipkg source too |
| 15:25.14 | some_x | florian_kc: I`m found, sorry |
| 15:25.19 | some_x | ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/packages/ipkg/ |
| 15:26.12 | florian_kc | right |
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| 15:36.33 | cedric | |
| 15:41.19 | some_x | what is general packages for gpe? |
| 15:42.47 | some_x | Where from gpe/gpedialog.h? |
| 15:43.48 | zecke | gpe widgets? |
| 15:46.57 | some_x | sorry I was have old version of libgpewidget |
| 15:47.13 | pb__ | hi zecke |
| 15:47.22 | neal | hi pb. |
| 15:47.33 | neal | pb: Thanks for reviewing and applying the patches. |
| 15:47.45 | neal | florian: You too, of course :-) |
| 15:50.47 | pb__ | hi neal |
| 15:51.30 | some_x | I`m installed libgpewidget and gpe-minibowser in /usr/local, so: # ./gpe-mini-browser |
| 15:51.30 | some_x | ./gpe-mini-browser: error while loading shared libraries: libgpewidget.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 15:52.26 | some_x | where is it search libgpewidget.so.1? |
| 15:52.31 | florian_kc | some_x: did you run ldconfig |
| 15:52.57 | florian_kc | neal: What dou you think about CVS write access? |
| 15:53.31 | neal | what other responsibilities come with this? |
| 15:53.36 | neal | and what are the rules? |
| 15:54.20 | some_x | florian_kc: that`s don`t help |
| 15:55.26 | florian_kc | neal: well... don't destroy too much ;-) |
| 15:55.40 | neal | Ok, I'll try not to :-) |
| 15:56.10 | neal | I feel pretty comfortable with the gpe-calendar code right now. |
| 15:56.20 | neal | and there are a number of things I want to do with it. |
| 15:56.36 | neal | Most of my clean ups have been okay so far |
| 15:56.48 | koen | neal: you have a 770, right? |
| 15:56.50 | neal | so I take it similar clean ups can go in without discussion. |
| 15:56.55 | neal | koen: My wife does. |
| 15:57.21 | florian_kc | neal: basically we don't have many rules as long people take care. If you start to change some new application/library maybe tell its maintainer (if present). |
| 15:57.24 | neal | Any feature changes I'll vet through you. |
| 15:57.42 | neal | And if I move someplace else I'll discuss it with any owner. |
| 15:58.01 | neal | so if that makes you happy then I'm happy. |
| 15:58.33 | florian_kc | neal: gpe-calendar is defintely one bit which could need some care... :-) |
| 15:58.44 | neal | We noticed :-) |
| 15:58.47 | florian_kc | neal: that's how GPE works :-) |
| 15:59.18 | koen | neal: what do you think of http://handhelds.org/~bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1538 ? |
| 15:59.54 | neal | I say that and gave it some thought. |
| 16:00.11 | neal | I only see 3 columns at most. |
| 16:00.34 | neal | it wouldn't be too hard to do. |
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| 16:28.27 | Genesis | bye |
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| 16:52.40 | redguy | hi, I want to view some static .html pages stored in my $HOME wit gpe-mini-browser. Is it possible to pass a "file://" url to it? If yes then what's the proper syntax? Let's say I want to see /home/foo/bar/index.html, file:///home/foo/bar/index.html does not work as expected |
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| 16:54.00 | florian_kc | hmm strange... |
| 16:54.31 | redguy | "Loading" is displayed in the bottom bar for a while, but the page is not rendered |
| 16:55.08 | florian_kc | Philippe: Is this supposed to work? |
| 16:56.25 | redguy | I am running gpe 2.7 on openzaurus 3.5.4.1-alpha1 if that helps. |
| 16:56.55 | florian_kc | okay.. so your software should be pretty much up to date. |
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| 17:59.15 | Cwiiis | Anyone know if mini-SD cards work in the 770? |
| 17:59.49 | koen | Cwiiis: if you can squeeze them in..... |
| 17:59.58 | koen | last time I tried they didn't fit |
| 18:00.07 | Cwiiis | koen: ah, ok, I didn't realise they were different sizes |
| 18:00.18 | koen | slightly thicker |
| 18:01.30 | Cwiiis | ah, shame - you know if there are 1gig rs-mmc cards around? I only see 512 megs |
| 18:02.19 | koen | I have one :) |
| 18:02.26 | koen | they work pretty good |
| 18:02.38 | koen | even in ipaqs running a 2.4 kernel |
| 18:02.55 | Cwiiis | Cool |
| 18:05.47 | florian_kc | bbl |
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| 18:10.53 | lolita____ | koen, florian_kc ... can someone import csv files into gpe-contacts? |
| 18:15.27 | koen | lolita____: iirc it only supports vcards |
| 18:19.17 | lolita____ | damn koen ;) i'm going on holidays on wednesday and ... i'd like leave my palm os based devices at home ;) |
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| 18:29.25 | jsun | what is the root passwd for gpe? |
| 18:29.54 | univac | Uhm |
| 18:29.57 | koen | jsun: the one you entered on first boot |
| 18:30.16 | jsun | oops! Someone else entered it .. :( |
| 18:30.43 | jsun | ahh, I got a root terminal on the handset. no problem. :) |
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| 18:33.47 | reenoo | evening |
| 18:48.56 | jsun | sorry if this is a FAQ - is next familiar release going to be 2.6 based? |
| 18:49.05 | jsun | it appears 0.8.2 is 2.4.19 based. |
| 18:49.13 | koen | jsun: try #familiar |
| 18:49.21 | jsun | tired that already. :) |
| 18:49.53 | jsun | any 2.6 based distro yet? |
| 18:50.27 | koen | openzaurus is using 2.6 on most machines |
| 18:50.45 | koen | and angstrom is going to be entirely 2.6 based (thanks to the new ARM EABI) |
| 18:51.32 | reenoo | jsun: the kernel version is fairly device specific. familiar releases for h2200 and hx4700 will use a 2.6 kernel. |
| 18:51.55 | jsun | I see - thanks. |
| 18:52.11 | jsun | it is probably more related to the cpu chipsets. :) |
| 18:52.22 | koen | jsun: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/angstrom/ |
| 18:52.48 | reenoo | jsun: full 2.6 support for h3600/h3800 and h3900/h5xxx doesn't seem likely to happen any time soon although there's work under way |
| 18:54.07 | jsun | I only care about intel pxa 27x based. :) |
| 18:57.07 | jsun | hmm, not sure if Intel has updated kernel to 2.6 for pxa255 ... |
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| 18:59.25 | jsun | koen, angstrom looks cool and ambicious |
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| 20:12.10 | florian | re |
| 20:12.18 | neal | re florian |
| 20:23.01 | neal | month_view rework checked in. |
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| 20:24.51 | mimecar | hi |
| 20:28.12 | florian | neal: cool |
| 20:28.16 | florian | hi mimecar |
| 20:28.31 | mimecar | hey florian |
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| 21:15.42 | reenoo | re |
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| 21:33.20 | florian | reenoo: wb |
| 21:37.10 | reenoo | hi florian |
| 21:38.17 | reenoo | can we somehow run "rosetta -P" at build time? it's responsible for a significant part of initial boot time... |
| 21:38.59 | Philippe | redguy, file:///home/foo/bar/index.html should normally work. Unfortunately the error returning code in gtk-webcore is broken so the html widget keeps blank if some error occurs |
| 21:39.20 | Philippe | I need to look at all this anyway, and now that my Finnish course is over I might get some more time. |
| 21:43.34 | florian | reenoo: i wonder why we neeed to do this anyway... it might be worth filing a bug |
| 21:44.24 | reenoo | well. I remember it has to run as root once |
| 21:45.03 | reenoo | or rosetta will take ~15 seconds to load every time you start it... |
| 21:45.16 | redguy | Philippe ISTR that i could actually see the same page via http://. I will confirm this as soon as I get networking working (again :-) |
| 21:45.51 | florian | reenoo: iirc it just creates some tables which could be shipped in the package |
| 21:46.56 | reenoo | florian: that would be great |
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| 21:56.47 | Philippe | redguy, ok. I just tried it myself here and it seems to work. Just make sure that the url is correct. |
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| 22:01.42 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 22:02.22 | reenoo | florian: should I assign it to Ole? is he likely to look into this? |
| 22:04.33 | florian | hi CoreDump|home |
| 22:06.19 | florian | reenoo: not sure :-/ he will be on holidays for two weeks now... |
| 22:06.47 | reenoo | ok, I'll assign the bug to gpe@ for now |
| 22:07.02 | florian | reenoo: ok, but cc ole |
| 22:08.07 | reenoo | florian: good idea. done. |
| 22:14.37 | redguy | Philippe: ok, got networking working. It seems that I can't browse anything! All I can see is only "loading" flashing at the bottom of the window |
| 22:14.54 | Philippe | redguy, did you build it yourself? |
| 22:15.15 | redguy | Philippe: nope |
| 22:16.17 | Philippe | redguy, strange it should work perfectly fine. Are you sure you get any real data in. As I said earlier I need to fix the error handling in gtk-webcore so that it actually notifies the gpe-mini-browser of loading errors |
| 22:16.49 | redguy | Philippe: I am getting this when trying to see http://www.google.com |
| 22:17.31 | Philippe | can you ping google from an xterm? |
| 22:19.25 | redguy | yes, I do |
| 22:19.35 | redguy | erm, can |
| 22:20.52 | redguy | maybe it is unable to write to some kind of cache? |
| 22:21.11 | Philippe | strange... Have you tried starting it from the command line? (like gpe-mini-browser http://www.google.com ) |
| 22:22.05 | Philippe | Maybe it will tell something more. The problem is that most of the issues (if not all) are related to gtk-webcore which is a big chunck of complex C++ code which I barely understand |
| 22:22.31 | redguy | hmm, |
| 22:22.57 | redguy | parsing cookie domain=.google.com |
| 22:23.21 | redguy | parsing cookie path=/ |
| 22:23.27 | redguy | Path / |
| 22:25.01 | redguy | and after that a warning |
| 22:25.11 | Philippe | redguy, which one? |
| 22:25.38 | redguy | NotYetImplemented: virtual void BridgeImpl::windowObjectCleared() |
| 22:26.39 | macado | redguy will dillo work? |
| 22:26.44 | Philippe | hmm, that means it should actually start rendering stuff... |
| 22:26.44 | reenoo | florian: I'm also rather unhappy with the new gpe-conf layout. http://handhelds.org/~rw/gpe-scaps/Screenshot-1.png <- what am I supposed to do? |
| 22:29.29 | redguy | macado: I don't have lilo in here |
| 22:29.39 | redguy | erm |
| 22:29.41 | redguy | dillo |
| 22:29.50 | macado | oh |
| 22:30.03 | macado | just gpe-mini-browser for web browsing? |
| 22:30.51 | redguy | macado: trying to get it to work :-) |
| 22:32.53 | Philippe | redguy, what are you running and how did you install it? |
| 22:33.53 | florian | reenoo: hmm right... i'm still not that happy with it too. but i didn't like the old dialog-like layout too... |
| 22:34.16 | redguy | Philippe: I am running openzaurus 3.5.4.1 alpha1 on a akita zaurus, I flashed it |
| 22:35.44 | Philippe | redguy, hmmm. There have been more reports of gtk-webcore not working on Zaurus. I really wonder why... And if you got a complete image I suppose it should have gpe-mini-browser installed correctly. |
| 22:36.37 | reenoo | florian: well. these are dialogs after all and should comply with HIGs. |
| 22:37.15 | reenoo | florian: the current layout is just plain confusing. |
| 22:37.34 | florian | reenoo: no, that's a main window |
| 22:37.34 | reenoo | the buttons need labels and should be below the rest |
| 22:38.18 | reenoo | nevermind |
| 22:38.38 | florian | reenoo: but you understand what i mean, right? :-) |
| 22:38.52 | reenoo | no |
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| 22:39.09 | florian | reenoo: its a window like gpe-contacts and not like gpe-logout |
| 22:40.04 | reenoo | technically that may be true |
| 22:40.22 | reenoo | from a user's POV it's a *configuration dialog* |
| 22:40.32 | reenoo | and either way, the buttons need labels |
| 22:40.54 | reenoo | otherwise you can only guess which button will result in what action |
| 22:41.26 | florian | well... using a theme with proper stock icons should make that pretty obvious |
| 22:41.27 | redguy | Philippe: I am considering building some apps by myself. Havent downloaded oe yet, but It can't be too hard :-) Maybe then there would be a way for me to provide more info? |
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| 22:44.43 | reenoo | florian: the old dialogs used to be halfway Gnome HIG conformant and easy to use. |
| 22:45.04 | redguy_Z | Philippe: if you would join me in #flood I could give you full output now |
| 22:45.29 | Philippe | redguy, maybe. Anyway I just have been digging in gtk-webcore and tracked down why it always returns a loading status. I hope my changes will fix that problem and at least gpe-mini-browser will return some loading error |
| 22:45.40 | Philippe | redguy, ok. |
| 22:47.41 | reenoo | florian: run any gnome configuration app and it will pop up a dialog. that's what people are used to nowadays and that's how gpe-conf used to work as well |
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| 22:51.07 | Philippe | redguy, too bad. At least I seem to have fixed the error reporting. I'll make a patch for that tomorrow. First I need to get some sleep |
| 22:51.29 | redguy | me too :-) |
| 22:54.24 | macado | get https support working :-) |
| 22:56.36 | Philippe | macado, it actually works if libcurl is compiled with ssl. Unfortunately cookies are still broken, which makes it useless... |
| 22:56.59 | macado | oh |
| 22:57.40 | macado | That would mean i'd need to actually compile it myself. I'm just using the binarys from ipkgfind |
| 22:57.49 | macado | Everything else seems to be working good though |
| 22:58.00 | Philippe | macado, also it does not have a browser-id stuff either yet... |
| 22:58.09 | macado | GPE works nicely on the Jornada 720 |
| 22:58.12 | florian | reenoo: well... that's true, but making things look good and consistent on PDA screens will be definitely involve doing things different. |
| 22:58.48 | Philippe | macado, the sources you want are here + patches. Including the error-reporting fix I just made. http://handhelds.org/~philippe/gtk-webcore/ |
| 22:59.03 | reenoo | florian: the old dialogs used to look good and consistent... |
| 22:59.03 | macado | excellent, thanks. |
| 22:59.06 | macado | downloading now. |
| 22:59.29 | Philippe | macado, you might need to fiddle with stuff here and there as gtk-webcore is not the cleanest stuff you can get. |
| 23:01.29 | macado | k |
| 23:04.30 | Philippe | ok, I am off to sleep. I will put in the new patch in OE tomorrow, so now there should be an error box popping up in gpe-mini-browser when a loading error occurs. (at leat that code in gpe-mini-browser will be used now :-) |
| 23:05.22 | Philippe | macado, before I forget. patch-order.txt tells you the order in which you need to apply the patches and for which component. The no-pendantic patch is one you can skip (as it is for osb-browser) |
| 23:05.45 | macado | ok, i'll try that later on tonight and see how everything works. |
| 23:06.12 | reenoo | florian: I welcome it that you're looking for new ways to display stuff, but if that means breaking with how things used to be done it's a definite candidate for a proper GPE HIG and a new major release. |
| 23:06.49 | reenoo | s/HIG/HIG document |
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| 23:15.32 | reenoo | pb_: fyi, the -hh41 breakage appears to be due to Makefile claiming EXTRAVERSION = -rmk6-pxa1-hh40 |
| 23:18.17 | florian | reenoo: that's definitely a good idea. |
| 23:21.15 | reenoo | florian: that said, I think we shouldn't ignore the thousands (millions?) of research dollars that have gone into usability testing (gnome in particular) |
| 23:26.50 | florian | reenoo: sure |
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