| 00:13.48 | florian | good night |
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| 04:51.09 | tfgbd_a | On my Jornada 720, none of the icons on the GPE desktop appear. |
| 04:51.14 | tfgbd_a | Any idea what that is? |
| 04:51.34 | tfgbd_a | Is it really only designed for 240x320 screens? |
| 04:52.14 | TFGBD | everything else scales pretty well... I'm suprised the desktop does not... |
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| 05:05.50 | macado | TFGBD, same thing on mine as well. |
| 05:08.50 | TFGBD | Hey cool... Another J720 owner. :P |
| 05:09.31 | TFGBD | What do you have installed on yours now? |
| 05:12.49 | TFGBD | Does sound work on your J720 with GPE? |
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| 05:40.41 | macado | yeah |
| 05:40.44 | macado | sound works fine, |
| 05:40.57 | macado | I have gpe-mini-browser, minimo and jillo installed |
| 05:41.11 | macado | mp3s work fine but you can't really play mp3s and do anythign else. |
| 05:41.33 | macado | correct, sound works but I need to manually load the modules, it won't do it on it's own. |
| 05:41.52 | TFGBD | I see. |
| 05:41.58 | TFGBD | How does one do that? |
| 05:42.09 | TFGBD | I'm very new to linux. :P |
| 05:42.32 | macado | when did you get the jornada 720? |
| 05:42.50 | TFGBD | Oh, i've had it for at least a year. |
| 05:43.03 | TFGBD | I only decided to try linux a few days ago. |
| 05:43.06 | macado | basically as root type /sbin/modprobe sa1111-uda1341 |
| 05:43.24 | TFGBD | Will I need to do that after each reboot? |
| 05:43.25 | macado | that should load the sound mdule if it's included in your kernel or whatever. |
| 05:44.00 | macado | That's my solution for now, there is a way to make it manually load but I honestly haven't played heavily wih linux since the 2.0.x days |
| 05:44.05 | macado | i'm re-learning this all over again |
| 05:44.16 | macado | So i'm probably not going to be much help |
| 05:44.31 | TFGBD | Same here. Though I never really played with it too much even then... :P |
| 05:44.54 | TFGBD | I'm going to try inkscape now.. :P |
| 05:45.04 | TFGBD | I wonder how usable it will be... |
| 05:45.27 | TFGBD | That should work in GPE provided I have the correct libs installed.. Right? |
| 05:45.46 | macado | As long as you extracted the right modules |
| 05:45.50 | macado | what kernel do you have? |
| 05:46.03 | macado | I'm using the jornada 720 for email, aim, mp3s and irc. |
| 05:46.12 | macado | web browsing is pretty bad |
| 05:46.21 | macado | I can view google, other basic websites |
| 05:46.41 | macado | an large or graphic intensive website tends to freeze it or make it go really slow |
| 05:47.09 | macado | I'm trying to acquire the 728 ROM on eBay since the Jornada 728 has 64mb of ram. |
| 05:47.11 | TFGBD | Do you mean under Windows CE or Linux? |
| 05:47.17 | macado | I'm hoping it will make the browsing better |
| 05:47.19 | macado | Under linux. |
| 05:47.27 | TFGBD | Oh.. I see.. |
| 05:47.29 | TFGBD | Even there... |
| 05:47.35 | macado | At least using Gpe-mini-browser |
| 05:47.49 | TFGBD | How about Opie/Qtopia stuff? |
| 05:48.13 | TFGBD | I noticed that the Qtopia Media Player could barely handle an MP3.. |
| 05:48.34 | TFGBD | My kernal is vmlinuz-2.4.31-j720-5 |
| 05:48.59 | TFGBD | kernel* |
| 05:49.14 | macado | not sure. |
| 05:49.26 | macado | I'm using madplay and mpg123 to play mp3s. They're console based |
| 05:49.28 | macado | not GUI |
| 05:49.30 | macado | but they work fine |
| 05:49.34 | macado | No skipping. |
| 05:50.11 | macado | sound modules should be in /lib/modules/2.4.31-j720/kernel/drivers/sound |
| 05:50.21 | macado | the module is sa1111-uda1341 I believe. |
| 05:50.27 | TFGBD | One of the sites I read said that apps that use a certain mpeg encoder work better... |
| 05:51.04 | TFGBD | I basicly followed the instructions on this page: http://www.lowlevel.cz/log/pivot/entry.php?id=41 and thus have the same versions provided/linked to there. |
| 05:51.08 | macado | The Jornada 720 strongarm processor doesn't have an FPU (I think) so players like madplay would better I believe. |
| 05:51.17 | TFGBD | I see. |
| 05:51.38 | macado | 6. Issues with Linux kernel 2.4 and Familiar 0.8.2 |
| 05:51.44 | macado | under that it explains how to load sound |
| 05:51.54 | macado | modprobe sa1111-uda1341 |
| 05:51.54 | TFGBD | Still, the Zaurus has a 206mhz SA, so I'm suprised the Zaurus media player does not work well on another 206mhz sa... |
| 05:52.30 | TFGBD | Though, it may also be slow because its using the Sharp compat libs.. |
| 05:52.50 | TFGBD | Is that the same guide you used to install yours? |
| 05:53.08 | macado | Somethign like that. |
| 05:53.21 | macado | I used a newer kernel and did some modifying though |
| 05:53.26 | TFGBD | I see. |
| 05:53.31 | TFGBD | 2.6 kernal? |
| 05:53.42 | macado | 2.4.32 |
| 05:53.52 | macado | 2.6.x isn't very well supported yet |
| 05:54.04 | TFGBD | Yeah. |
| 05:54.14 | TFGBD | What advantages does 2.4.32 have? |
| 05:54.31 | macado | nothing that I know of. |
| 05:54.34 | macado | just a little newer |
| 05:54.50 | macado | I don't know if the modules or options are any different in 2.4.31, it's probably the same |
| 05:55.03 | TFGBD | I'm still not sure I understand this.. Does the whole kernal need to be recompiled just to support a new driver? |
| 05:55.44 | macado | If it wasn't originally compiled with the kernel or specified as module, yes. As far as I know |
| 05:55.51 | macado | someone can correct me if i'm wrong though |
| 05:56.44 | TFGBD | Though, it does not really seem as bad as I first assumed if the kernal is only 700kb or so anyway... |
| 05:57.44 | TFGBD | Gah... It does not automatically boot GPE/Opie if the filesystem was not unmounted properly.. |
| 05:58.01 | TFGBD | It gets stuck at the console... |
| 05:58.20 | TFGBD | and I can't type many commnands because some of my j720 keys do not function... :/ |
| 05:58.48 | TFGBD | Is there any way to fix this short of recopying the image? |
| 05:59.09 | TFGBD | *files |
| 05:59.16 | macado | I think re-copying the image. I'm not really th expert on it though. Im still playing around on it |
| 05:59.21 | macado | anyway, I gotta go to sleep. work at 8am |
| 05:59.24 | TFGBD | I see. |
| 05:59.29 | TFGBD | Did that ever happen to you? |
| 05:59.38 | TFGBD | How do you shut down GPE properly? |
| 06:00.20 | TFGBD | Opie has an app to do so, but I'm still not sure if that even works... |
| 06:01.32 | macado | mine shuts down ok, by shutdown, it logs out |
| 06:01.32 | TFGBD | GPE? |
| 06:01.32 | TFGBD | So its same to remove the battery on the login screen? |
| 06:01.33 | TFGBD | safe* |
| 06:01.52 | TFGBD | the shutdown command, you mean? |
| 06:03.12 | TFGBD | I'll try that. |
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| 07:52.29 | XorA | morning |
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| 07:54.38 | _law_ | hi XorA |
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| 08:28.52 | Farcaller | hi all |
| 08:29.31 | Farcaller | does anybody know where I can get xstroke-0.6.tar.gz required to bitbake gpe? xstroke.org is down |
| 08:30.23 | hrw|work | oesources.org? |
| 08:34.10 | _law_ | Farcaller, http://helmsdeep.homelinux.net/~pat/xstroke-0.6.tar.gz |
| 08:34.50 | Farcaller | _law_, thanks |
| 08:47.13 | _law_ | hmm any ideas why gnome-vfs-dbus doesnt build http://pastebin.com/628361 ? |
| 08:50.58 | XorA | _law_: remove -Werror from makefile in modules directory |
| 08:55.25 | _law_ | XorA, thanks |
| 09:18.14 | XorA | gah, thanks to florian I want a NBP :-( |
| 09:25.30 | hrw|work | Narodowy Band Polski? |
| 09:26.20 | XorA | thats all greek to me :-) |
| 09:27.12 | pgas | giati to les avto XorA; ;) |
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| 09:28.14 | hrw|work | XorA: NBP = Polish National Bank - central bank |
| 09:29.19 | florian_kc | good morning |
| 09:29.34 | florian_kc | NBP = NetBook Pro ;-) |
| 09:29.52 | XorA | ~lart florian_kc for making me want one |
| 09:30.18 | XorA | hrw|work: Well Ill take your countries bank if its free :-) |
| 09:31.35 | hrw|work | ;)) |
| 09:36.21 | florian_kc | hehe |
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| 10:18.10 | XorA | florian_kc: is there a hidden source of cheap NBP's in EU? |
| 10:20.22 | florian_kc | XorA: not that i'm aware of... i have one left over from a customer project. |
| 10:20.57 | florian_kc | the most important features of them is a terrible lack of performance and the impressive price. |
| 10:21.10 | XorA | florian_kc: that is so what I was looking for its unreal |
| 10:21.37 | florian_kc | The ~200 MHz 770 is _much_ faster than a NBP. |
| 10:22.08 | XorA | florian_kc: screen real estate is my biggest need |
| 10:22.16 | XorA | but I need the battery life of a PDA |
| 10:23.26 | florian_kc | XorA: the battery life of the nbp is pretty good, but for the price of it you can get a truckload of batteries for 770s. ;-) |
| 10:23.48 | pgas | XorA: the panasonic laptop have an impressive battery life |
| 10:24.13 | XorA | florian_kc: 770 is 800x480? |
| 10:24.45 | pgas | ashikase was saying that feels the battery were lasting longer than his Z |
| 10:24.50 | florian_kc | XorA: yes |
| 10:25.04 | XorA | hmm, if I ditch maemo, that might work |
| 10:25.32 | pgas | http://www.geekstuff4u.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=&products_id=339 |
| 10:26.04 | florian_kc | XorA: np, we can build gpe images for it. if we'd work on supporting its strange hardware controls a little bit it should work pretty well. |
| 10:26.36 | XorA | now just to convince the wife :-) |
| 10:27.21 | florian_kc | that's the hard part ;-) |
| 10:29.00 | XorA | oh, thats a whole lot cheaper than I thought it was |
| 10:31.31 | florian_kc | If someone is interested, i built a complete Familiar distro yesterday. http://www.kernelconcepts.de/~fuchs/familiar-unofficial/ |
| 10:32.01 | florian_kc | imho contains everything except of splitted feeds |
| 10:33.40 | hrw|work | somone know does anyone got kbdd working with 2.6 kernel? |
| 10:35.53 | florian_kc | hmm... most devices here are old ipaqs and 2.4.... |
| 10:36.31 | Farcaller | anyone knows where I can get sources for linux-jlime-sh3-2.6.11-r0? |
| 10:36.47 | Farcaller | can't find them on http://www.jlime.com/ and http://www.oesources.org/ |
| 10:37.05 | hrw|work | Farcaller: contact Ken|JLime when he will be on #oe |
| 10:37.32 | Farcaller | hrw|work, ok, thanks for the info |
| 10:38.57 | florian_kc | Farcaller: Do you build for a SH3 device?! |
| 10:39.58 | Farcaller | florian_kc, no, for Palm T|T3 |
| 10:40.17 | hrw|work | Farcaller: then build kernel for tt3 not jlime one |
| 10:40.45 | Farcaller | hrw|work, hmm... then why is linux-jlime-sh3-2.6.11 in dependencies? |
| 10:41.19 | florian_kc | Farcaller: That's usually the case if no preferred kernel is set or the preferred one isn't found. |
| 10:41.21 | Farcaller | I have ASSUME_PROVIDED += "virtual/kernel" in my machine conf |
| 10:41.35 | florian_kc | hmm |
| 10:41.43 | hrw|work | I would rather add kernel into OE |
| 10:42.14 | florian_kc | or a similar one, i guess some stull will rely on kernel stuff in staging or something like that. |
| 10:43.16 | Farcaller | why can't that suff get requred info from my kernel sources? |
| 10:44.08 | florian_kc | no idea.. maybe bacause it isn't clever enough |
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| 12:11.08 | hrw|work | ~seen bluelighting |
| 12:11.10 | ibot | hrw|work: i haven't seen 'bluelighting' |
| 12:12.41 | hrw|work | ~seen nils |
| 12:12.43 | ibot | nils <~nils@217.78.10.71> was last seen on IRC in channel #familiar, 1217d 17h 53m 48s ago, saying: 'anyone here deal with embeded systems'. |
| 12:14.09 | florian_kc | ~seen nilsf |
| 12:14.11 | ibot | nilsf <~nils@dns.kernelconcepts.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #handhelds.org, 242d 17h 41m 2s ago, saying: 'koen: Hmm... ;)'. |
| 12:14.54 | florian_kc | gah... the bot needs to learn to know more cannels :-) |
| 12:17.22 | hrw|work | ;) |
| 12:35.06 | florian_kc | hrw|work: is there something in oe to split the feeds? |
| 12:35.45 | hrw|work | oz354fam083/contrib/openzaurus/ |
| 12:35.54 | florian_kc | hrw|work: many thanks |
| 12:36.11 | hrw|work | not perfect but better then do it manually |
| 12:36.23 | florian_kc | indeed... |
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| 14:06.50 | _law_ | bbl |
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| 14:56.41 | florian_kc | ibot: seen bedboi? |
| 14:56.49 | ibot | bedboi <n=bedboi@c3lab.poliba.it> was last seen on IRC in channel #, 5d 21h 22m 6s ago, saying: 'me che leggono tutti sti tizi'. |
| 15:20.11 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 15:26.33 | florian_kc | hi CoreDump|home |
| 15:37.58 | XorA | is there a know gpe-bluetooth problem with pins? |
| 15:38.28 | florian_kc | hmm... not really, why? |
| 15:39.06 | XorA | I get an error from hcid org.bluez.Error.WrongArgs: Byte array expected, other type given |
| 15:40.05 | XorA | and gpe-bluetooth doesnt pop up a pin request |
| 15:41.24 | florian_kc | sounds nasty... i guess some api changed. |
| 15:42.44 | florian_kc | It works on my iPAQ running a Familair 0.8.3-pre image... |
| 15:43.36 | XorA | florian_kc: must be some change in .dev then |
| 15:46.40 | Philippe | hey people |
| 15:47.03 | florian_kc | hi Philippe |
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| 15:48.41 | florian_kc | hi macado |
| 15:48.44 | florian_kc | eh mallum |
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| 15:50.28 | Philippe | hi florian_kc |
| 16:12.20 | mallum | hey florian_kc |
| 16:15.23 | univac | mallum: jabberpy is your? |
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| 16:53.33 | pb_ | florian_kc: good afternoon |
| 16:53.41 | florian_kc | ho pb_ |
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| 17:22.41 | CoreDump|home | ouch |
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| 17:48.10 | mallum | univac: from a long long long time ago. I think most people use xmppy nowadays |
| 17:48.59 | mallum | yeah thats the one |
| 17:49.07 | mallum | I think, dunno |
| 17:49.14 | mallum | havn't touched python in ages |
| 17:50.11 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 17:50.17 | univac | :) |
| 17:50.19 | florian_kc | mallum is a real man ;-) |
| 17:50.26 | univac | python++ |
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| 18:03.17 | florian_kc | hey koen |
| 18:03.53 | koen | hey florian_kc |
| 18:24.12 | florian_kc | bbl |
| 18:42.48 | jurop88 | hi all! |
| 18:43.04 | jurop88 | Philippe:ping |
| 18:44.53 | koen | hey jurop88 |
| 18:45.01 | jurop88 | hi koen |
| 18:45.33 | jurop88 | koen: are you also involved in gpe? |
| 18:46.26 | koen | a very small bit |
| 18:46.55 | jurop88 | I was looking for some answers... |
| 18:50.28 | jurop88 | bbl, dinner |
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| 18:57.46 | Philippe | hey jurop88 |
| 18:58.04 | koen | hey Philippe |
| 18:58.13 | Philippe | hey koen |
| 19:00.49 | koen | Philippe: I say mind.be being mentioned at the conference today |
| 19:01.46 | Philippe | koen, ah, where were you? |
| 19:02.00 | koen | Philippe: SPS/DART in antwerpen |
| 19:02.21 | koen | http://acivs.org/sps2006/ |
| 19:03.53 | Philippe | aha! DSP valley... I think Mind is part of that. |
| 19:04.23 | koen | they did some stuff with SERDES designs? |
| 19:08.32 | Philippe | maybe. I don't know |
| 19:09.07 | koen | and once again I failed to buy leffe 9 degrees |
| 19:19.22 | Philippe | :-( |
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| 19:39.22 | jurop88 | brb |
| 19:40.15 | jurop88 | my favourite is Bonne Esperance, but I like Leffe too. I like a lot trappist's beer! |
| 19:41.31 | jurop88 | Philippe:ping! |
| 19:42.31 | Philippe | hey jurop88 |
| 19:42.38 | jurop88 | hi Philippe! |
| 19:42.57 | Philippe | jurop88, what can I help you with? |
| 19:42.59 | jurop88 | I've been very proud to see my code in CVS :D |
| 19:43.28 | jurop88 | at the moment, it seems that the code you uploaded is broken :( |
| 19:43.36 | jurop88 | at least in my scratchbox |
| 19:43.37 | Philippe | for maemo yes... |
| 19:44.03 | jurop88 | but also for gpe, it lacks the dependence on libtododb |
| 19:44.32 | Philippe | jurop88, you're sure? I had to install libtododb or it would not get through the configure step |
| 19:45.15 | jurop88 | i just patched my working directory, if I tried to compile in the CVS one it gave me a linking error due to the functions in libtododb |
| 19:46.36 | jurop88 | I don't know on what it could depend... I was also figuring out the chance to use timesheet without tododb, and this is the reason of the tests on libtododb, but if the library is not in the dependencies it won't compile anyway... perhaps could it better to arrange the test via some #defines? |
| 19:47.35 | Philippe | I am looking into it right now |
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| 19:49.39 | florian | re |
| 19:49.47 | jurop88 | ok! another question was about the icon path (!); hildon needs also what I defined as ICON_PATH because i used the standard Hildons pixmaps, that has its own directory. My hack was similar to what Florian did with gpe-todo (well, I looked at his code to figure out what to do...) |
| 19:49.50 | jurop88 | hi florian! |
| 19:50.24 | jurop88 | florian: any news in gpe-todo? Expecially maemo's one? |
| 19:50.38 | jurop88 | I was away last 2 weeks, so no time to check! |
| 19:52.17 | Philippe | jurop88, fixed. Seems the libtododb mysteriously dissappeared from configure.ac |
| 19:52.48 | jurop88 | at least I was not dreaming :) |
| 19:54.11 | jurop88 | if I find some time, I have in my plans to add an 'edit task' and a 'delete journal item' functions in gpe-timesheet... |
| 19:54.45 | jurop88 | plus a 'call' function in gpe-contacts, and perhaps a 'show timetracked tasks' in gpe-calendar! |
| 19:54.56 | jurop88 | but time ever lacks! |
| 19:56.02 | Philippe | jurop88, I know the feeling. I on the other hand have to find a new button to do the html exports :-) |
| 19:56.07 | florian | jurop88: no not really, same problem here... |
| 19:57.36 | pigeon | hmm which feed is more update? the 0.8.3-rc1 or unstable? |
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| 19:58.40 | pigeon | in fact, where is the unstable feed these days? |
| 19:58.55 | florian | hey pigeon |
| 19:59.09 | pigeon | hey... |
| 19:59.25 | florian | use the official familiar rc images and feeds... |
| 19:59.40 | pigeon | i was trying to get gaim working again... but it won't... there's no plugins at all shown in the list :( |
| 19:59.48 | florian | :-/ |
| 20:00.09 | pigeon | where's the feed url for the rcs? |
| 20:01.24 | Philippe | jurop88, btw could you send me a list of the paths you needed for gpe-timesheet on maemo? |
| 20:01.30 | Philippe | So that I can easily fix it. |
| 20:01.40 | pigeon | http://familiar.handhelds.org/feeds/unstable/packages/ seems to be old... |
| 20:03.04 | florian | pigeon: the unstable feed is dead :-( |
| 20:03.09 | pigeon | oh... |
| 20:03.27 | pigeon | so... what's the most update feeds i can try? |
| 20:03.56 | pigeon | hmm... |
| 20:04.18 | pigeon | gpe feed then you mean? |
| 20:04.31 | florian | pigeon: i have a two day old but untested familiar stable build... |
| 20:05.08 | florian | http://www.kernelconcepts.de/~fuchs/familiar-unofficial/ |
| 20:05.26 | florian | (images and feed) |
| 20:06.07 | pigeon | oh... maybe i'll have a look at that... thanks |
| 20:06.28 | florian | But thats defintely unofficial - but any feedback is appreciated! |
| 20:06.47 | jurop88 | Philippe: parhaps later this evening I'll patch the CVS with paths needed, and I'll to try to compile only setting the configure prefix to see if it works! |
| 20:06.55 | jurop88 | s/parhaps/perhaps |
| 20:07.01 | pigeon | so the more official one would be http://familiar.handhelds.org/snapshots/v0.8.3/feed/ ? |
| 20:07.25 | florian | pigeon: right, but several weeks old |
| 20:08.11 | Philippe | jurop88, that is good too. But don't touch the GPE paths this time :-) |
| 20:08.19 | jurop88 | florian: are there problems with gpe-contacts search? I patched the code enabling again the original gpe dialog for inputting datas (name, forename, title...) and now ordering works, but searching seems to miss some results! |
| 20:08.26 | jurop88 | Philippe: ok, I'll try :) |
| 20:09.26 | florian | jurop88: hmm someone else mentioned this, but i don't know details |
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| 20:10.14 | reenoo | evening |
| 20:11.03 | florian | hi reenoo |
| 20:11.23 | reenoo | hey florian |
| 20:13.17 | reenoo | pigeon: hi! the current rc feeds have a couple of issues. you may want to wait a few days for a new rc. |
| 20:14.23 | florian | reenoo: did you check in the locale generation stuff in the oz354fam083 branch? |
| 20:14.55 | reenoo | florian: not yet. let me catch up on mail end stuff and I'll look into that |
| 20:16.50 | florian | reenoo: okay cool |
| 20:17.26 | florian | reenoo: i built a complete familiar two days ago, no problems so far... but no time to test. |
| 20:18.11 | jurop88 | florian: another nice thing could be to extend search also to other field than name&surname, but I have to look at the code first |
| 20:18.49 | florian | jurop88: the gpe version does this already :) |
| 20:21.28 | pigeon | reenoo: that would be the 0.8.3-rc1+/ ? |
| 20:22.13 | *** topic/#gpe by florian -> The GPE Palmtop Environment - http://gpe.handhelds.org/ | GPE Wiki: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/GPEProject |familiar snapshots: http://familiar.handhelds.org/snapshots/ | Development Manual (in progress): http://www.kernelconcepts.de/~fuchs/gpe/doc/devmanual/ | GPE 2.7 released! | 1000 checkins since april 2nd 2005 |
| 20:22.23 | florian | no, thats obsolete |
| 20:22.30 | pigeon | oh heh |
| 20:22.59 | florian | but a good point - with a stable Familiar release we can easily provide a gpe update feed |
| 20:23.22 | koen | florian: also one for openzaurus and opensimpad? |
| 20:24.38 | reenoo | didn't mickeyl declare death on opensimpad? |
| 20:25.09 | koen | didn't I declare death on familiar? |
| 20:25.42 | florian | koen: sure... |
| 20:26.31 | florian | reenoo: Well if noone maintains it its dead - but Familiar supports Simpads now and the images are pretty good. |
| 20:26.50 | reenoo | florian: that's what mickeyl said. yeah. |
| 20:27.09 | reenoo | koen: http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/oe/58/5814.html |
| 20:28.41 | reenoo | but since it's ABI compatible to either Familiar or OpenZaurus it shouldn't be a problem to supply feeds for existing OpenSimpad installations. |
| 20:29.14 | florian | right |
| 20:29.38 | florian | Does someone here the distribution name discussion wiki? |
| 20:30.31 | Philippe | florian, whatdo you mean? |
| 20:31.00 | florian | Philippe: We hat a wiki at hh.org discussing the name for a new distribution... |
| 20:31.06 | florian | s/hat/had |
| 20:34.20 | koen | florian: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/NewDistroNames ? |
| 20:35.10 | florian | koen: ah right, i was serching for it as a reference but failed |
| 20:35.30 | koen | why do you need it? |
| 20:36.11 | Philippe | bloody mail problems... I finally managed to solve them today |
| 20:39.34 | florian | koen: to be honest... i don't know, but the discussion made me remember that i was serching for it |
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| 20:44.42 | florian | koen: but looking at the history of that thing is funny |
| 20:45.10 | koen | florian: the wiki lacks the discussions that took place on various mailinglists |
| 20:49.41 | florian | Philippe: ! |
| 20:51.38 | Philippe | florian, familiar-dev I guess... |
| 20:52.19 | florian | Philippe: hmm... not really the discussion is a shame for the project. |
| 20:53.20 | Philippe | I kind of know some stuff, but I missed everything for the latest 2 weeks |
| 21:01.30 | florian | Philippe: you are not the only one... |
| 21:01.47 | florian | i guess its "secret" ;-) |
| 21:02.02 | reenoo | there's nothing secret about it |
| 21:02.07 | florian | sorry for my bad sense of humour |
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| 21:02.27 | reenoo | 0.8.3 will be built using OE. 0.9 is open for discussion |
| 21:04.05 | florian | reenoo: well... but if you read my mails there are many open questions. |
| 21:04.19 | Philippe | reenoo, ok. From what I found you will build it together with France? Is there anybody else helping? |
| 21:04.55 | reenoo | Philippe: Erik is looking into h3900 and opie stuff as it seems |
| 21:06.27 | Philippe | reenoo, seems? Nobody knows then? |
| 21:07.00 | reenoo | florian: I have read your messages. but I'm not going to change my mind about post-0.8.3 discussions. I will be glad to look into that after 0.8.3 is released. |
| 21:07.15 | reenoo | Philippe: well. he's submitting patches for that type of thing ATM |
| 21:07.15 | florian | reenoo: ok |
| 21:07.56 | florian | i added a new libschedule today, i hope that fixes a remaining nasty bug |
| 21:08.54 | Philippe | reenoo, ok that seems fine. So who is co-ordinating stuff atm? Who do I go to if I have a fix? Or need a fix? And on which OE branch are we working if I am still allowed to put it in? |
| 21:10.59 | Philippe | I am sorry for the many questions, but I have been out of this for a while (too many other things going on) |
| 21:11.10 | reenoo | Philippe: not sure about coordination. bugs are tracked in hh.org bugzilla (just make them block #1334 if it's critical for 0.8.3). |
| 21:11.50 | reenoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.30 | reenoo | I don't know about the current permissions situation |
| 21:14.17 | Philippe | I'll look into it. First I'll let monotone crunch for a night |
| 21:14.26 | florian | :-) |
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| 21:18.39 | florian | feeding time, brb |
| 21:25.23 | lamikr | Hi philippe? |
| 21:26.59 | lamikr | renoo: What do you mean by using non-current bitbake with 083 branch? |
| 21:27.11 | Philippe | hey lamikr |
| 21:27.39 | reenoo | lamikr: well. not svn head which is having issues according to zecke |
| 21:27.52 | lamikr | philippe: How is it going? |
| 21:28.23 | lamikr | renoo: Ok, I am not 100% sure, but I think I build 3 days ago 083 with bitbake from head. |
| 21:29.17 | Philippe | lamikr, , Still awake in yväskylä :-) Well not too bad here. Some setbacks lately, but some good stuff too. Overall I would say hyvin! |
| 21:29.27 | reenoo | lamikr: ah, if it works for you there's no need to worry |
| 21:29.47 | Philippe | ok 2,925 revs to crunch... my pc will have a busy night |
| 21:29.53 | lamikr | Philippe: Yes, still awake here. Would you like to visit soon in here? |
| 21:31.00 | Philippe | lamikr, well... Let's see. This weekend is taken, next one too. And the one after that too. But if we plan something I should be able to drop by after that. |
| 21:32.51 | lamikr | renoo: Have you working with the glibc locale bug in 083 branch? I tried today to copy the glibc-package.bbclass & glibc_2.3.5+cvs20050627.bb to from dev to fam-branch, changed srcsource to cvssource, set ENEABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION to 1 and tried to build. |
| 21:33.49 | florian | heh, i asked this some minutes ago :) |
| 21:34.21 | lamikr | florian: let me read some history ;-) |
| 21:34.21 | florian | more or less... |
| 21:34.54 | reenoo | lamikr: I'm building with binary locales enabled, yes. what was the actual question/problem? |
| 21:35.03 | lamikr | ok, I also tried to copy the classes/package.bbclass from dev to fam083 (as that had the failed function) but that broke everything... |
| 21:35.23 | lamikr | renoo: In 083 branch? |
| 21:35.36 | reenoo | yes |
| 21:35.54 | lamikr | Does 083 already contain support for that? |
| 21:36.24 | reenoo | in my local tree it does. I'm about to commit that... |
| 21:37.04 | lamikr | renoo: Really great! So has your build already passed the "glibc" stage? For me it failed there. |
| 21:37.26 | reenoo | ~pastebin |
| 21:37.28 | ibot | pastebin is probably a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.com/, or http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 21:39.17 | lamikr | Philippe: That would be really nice. I believe I do not have anything then... |
| 21:39.31 | jurop88 | florian/Philippe: if I try to compile for maemo with prefix=/usr it complains about icons... if I compile using prefix=/var/lib/install/usr it isn't installed properly and don't figure out in menus... my supect is that it should depend on icon path of gpe-icons for maemo... could it be? |
| 21:40.27 | reenoo | lamikr: pastebin the error please |
| 21:41.41 | lamikr | renoo: I will try to check if I have it still here. After the initial error message I tried to copy the package.bbclass from dev, and that caused other problems... Let me check. |
| 21:41.47 | Philippe | jurop88, probabely |
| 21:41.52 | jurop88 | ...hmmmm not real installation paths for maemo... I think that's something I have to understand better about maemo way of debian installs... |
| 21:42.05 | florian | jurop88: you need to adapt the path to the icons for maemo and add /var/lib/install there instead of changing prefix |
| 21:42.28 | reenoo | lamikr: I just checked in what works for me. may want to try that |
| 21:42.29 | jurop88 | yes, but this way it is hardcoded, and Philippe doesn't like it :) |
| 21:42.29 | Philippe | jurop88, and with the new installer they are going to change again. So it is really important to have those paths not hard-coded. |
| 21:42.37 | jurop88 | HARGH |
| 21:42.45 | reenoo | lamikr: just glibc-package.bbclass from .dev isn't enough |
| 21:42.57 | jurop88 | florian:HELP |
| 21:43.12 | florian | jurop88: check gpe-contacts, its a conditional |
| 21:43.28 | jurop88 | thx, I'll look now |
| 21:44.14 | lamikr | renoo: Yes, I started to get circular dependencies with autoconf, etc... Those I still manaked to fix by checking changes but... Anyway if it works for you, I can wait until you made a commit. |
| 21:44.22 | Philippe | lamikr, good! I'll give it some thought. Ok that seems to be 22-23 april... I'll try to keep it free. But let me get back to you about that. |
| 21:45.09 | reenoo | lamikr: circular dependencies would indicate a bitbake bug/incompatibility of some sort |
| 21:45.43 | lamikr | renoo: I could not find the exact error log anymore but the error mesage was related to do_split_packages() method. I think glibc-package.bbclass contained new variable aux_fileas_pattern_verpatim that the old one did not liked. |
| 21:46.40 | Philippe | jurop88, if you don't find it. Send me a mail with all the paths you need and I will try to put in a satisfactory solution. |
| 21:46.48 | reenoo | lamikr: oh, right. thanks for pointing that out. I forgot to check that in in the release branch |
| 21:48.07 | lamikr | renoo: In dev the classes/native.bbclass contained following: #Break circular dependency... PACKAGE_DEPENDS = "" and autoconf_native in dev included the native.bbclass |
| 21:49.48 | reenoo | lamikr: I guess that's why I recommended using a slightly older revision of bitbake |
| 21:50.57 | reenoo | 'night Philippe |
| 21:51.01 | lamikr | reenoo: The same bitbake worked ok, if I did not make those changes... It was something in the package.bbclass from dev that made the circular dependecy for me to occur. |
| 21:51.12 | Philippe | night all! Happy hacking and dreaming! |
| 21:51.34 | lamikr | Philppe: Good nighg, the plan for 22-23 sounds good. |
| 21:51.45 | jurop88 | night Philippe! I'll write you a mail... |
| 21:51.59 | florian | Philippe: good night |
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| 21:53.39 | lamikr | florian: I tried also to build the dev branch today for starting to work with the timezone stuff but the dev build failed for me in openobex. I send message from that error today to gpe-list. |
| 21:54.59 | florian | lamikr: ok |
| 21:56.31 | florian | heh |
| 21:57.00 | florian | lamikr: no idea, but my current work (fighting apache) can't be the reason for that feeling |
| 21:57.40 | lamikr | florian: What kind of server you are setting up? |
| 21:59.46 | florian | lamikr: i'm migrating a site from apache 1 to apache 2 |
| 22:01.39 | lamikr | Do you have proplems with the plug-in configs like svn-view, wiki, etc? |
| 22:02.35 | florian | lamikr: not sure, i'll know soon... but the same thing for our company website was pretty easy. |
| 22:04.26 | lamikr | florian: I just setted up apache2 somedays ago with svn-view. But that & simple password system for couple of users was the only extra, so the job was quite easy. |
| 22:05.11 | florian | lamikr: heh, at kc the update was mostly because of svn :-) |
| 22:11.04 | florian | oh well... my wife started to tidy up the office... with the result that the is not even free space for my laptop :-/ |
| 22:11.34 | lamikr | florian: How is you baby? |
| 22:12.12 | florian | lamikr: very fine - growing fast... |
| 22:13.20 | florian | He's just learning the most important thing: smiling :-) |
| 22:14.14 | lamikr | Yes, it seems as things are going well if you and your wife have energy to be still up and even tidy up things :-) |
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| 22:15.18 | lamikr | reenoo: I saw your commit, so should that now be the version which contains all changes needed for glibc locale prebuild? |
| 22:15.38 | reenoo | lamikr: yes |
| 22:16.13 | jurop88 | this night I gave up :( |
| 22:16.17 | jurop88 | 'night all |
| 22:16.27 | lamikr | reenoo, thanks I will then try with the latest bitbake. I will let you know how it goes. |
| 22:16.37 | lamikr | jurop88: good night. |
| 22:16.58 | reenoo | lamikr: ok, very good. |
| 22:17.22 | reenoo | lamikr: I'm using bitbake r323 for 0.8.3 builds myself |
| 22:17.39 | reenoo | s/r323/svn revision 323/ |
| 22:17.58 | reenoo | ~shoot self |
| 22:17.59 | ibot | ACTION shoots self in the eye with a quantum singularity weapon! |
| 22:18.05 | lamikr | reenoo: Ok, I will revert for that it I have problems. |
| 22:18.33 | reenoo | hehe. ibot isn't that clever after all :) |
| 22:19.29 | lamikr | reenoo: How you do that ibot thing? |
| 22:20.12 | lamikr | reenoo: How about this trivial bug for 083? http://handhelds.org/~bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1588, it is 1 line fix. |
| 22:21.10 | lamikr | reenoo: I have commit rights for dev, but I am not sure am I allowed to commit fixes for 083. |
| 22:22.23 | reenoo | lamikr: I'm not sure about the latter but it's probably worth a try |
| 22:23.01 | reenoo | lamikr: as for the patch, make sure to increase PR. other than that please go ahead and check it in. |
| 22:23.14 | lamikr | reenoo: Ok, let's check whether cia-4 starts singing |
| 22:23.50 | florian | lamikr: right... but some projects suffered a little bit |
| 22:40.41 | florian | reenoo: i'll try a clean familiar build and see if yomethign goes wrong |
| 22:53.20 | lamikr | florian: I just committed fix for alsa breakage in 083. |
| 22:53.56 | florian | lamikr: oh cool... |
| 23:00.28 | reenoo | lamikr: very good. thanks |
| 23:00.49 | florian | reenoo: we are getting closer :-) |
| 23:02.58 | lamikr | reenoo: that was easy but my first one for 083 :-) |
| 23:03.48 | florian | btw... make sure the updates/fixes go to .dev too |
| 23:04.24 | lamikr | florian: Yes, I wll if needed. That one has been in dev already for a couple of months. |
| 23:05.33 | florian | lamikr: okay fine |
| 23:06.26 | lamikr | ok, I just started a clean 083 build. The result will be visible tomorrow... The locale build with qemu takes some hours but if it works it worth of every minute. Without that the first boot in 083 took over 20 minutes in h6300 two days ago. |
| 23:07.26 | pb_ | yeah, the combination of the pregenerated locales and the latest ipkg should yield a significant improvement. |
| 23:07.44 | pb_ | all hail reenoo for the locales qemu patch |
| 23:08.04 | florian | ~hail reenoo |
| 23:08.11 | ibot | ACTION bows down to reenoo and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 23:08.45 | reenoo | ~hail pb_ for his initial version of that patch |
| 23:08.47 | ibot | ACTION bows down to pb_ for his initial version of that patch and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 23:09.05 | reenoo | pb_: what's the status of the ipkg patch? |
| 23:09.34 | pb_ | reenoo: pigi doesn't like it, but I think it is in the oe .dev tree |
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| 23:09.50 | reenoo | heh, ok |
| 23:13.00 | florian | uh |
| 23:13.48 | florian | pb_: now we need a gpe-calendar patch so that we can put the new, bugfixed one in the release :-} |
| 23:14.19 | pb_ | yeah |
| 23:14.31 | pb_ | I'll make that my mission for next weekend |
| 23:14.44 | florian | that't would be great |
| 23:14.46 | pb_ | realistically, I don't think I will have time to do anything with gpe-calendar before then |
| 23:15.11 | reenoo | I've sent an update to familar-dev btw. hope that clarifies a few things |
| 23:15.18 | pb_ | rock |
| 23:15.47 | florian | hrm.. why is that apache configuration that complex? ;-/ |
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| 23:30.25 | lamikr | florian: Are you maintaining the gpe-login in gpe-repository? |
| 23:32.11 | lamikr | reenoo: Your locale fixes looks promising, oe just started generating locales... I am using existing qemu, as qemu has problems to build with gcc that I have by default in my path. |
| 23:32.13 | florian | lamikr: pb_ but i could fix it too |
| 23:33.12 | pb_ | what's the problem with gpe-login? |
| 23:33.29 | lamikr | I would need to get /dev/ttyS1 to be owned by a logged user. That should be added to this /etx/X11/gpe-prelogin script. I need that for the phone application. (gomunicator) |
| 23:34.12 | lamikr | the login screen itself looks now good. |
| 23:34.39 | pb_ | okay |
| 23:34.47 | pb_ | send me a patch and I'll do the appropriate thing |
| 23:34.58 | pigeon | g'day pb_ |
| 23:35.07 | pb_ | pigeon: yo |
| 23:35.22 | reenoo | 'night pb_ |
| 23:35.30 | florian | ah right |
| 23:35.57 | florian | pb_: night |
| 23:36.46 | reenoo | lamikr: yeah, using a pre-built qemu and setting ASSUME_PROVIDED accordingly should be fine as well. |
| 23:37.10 | lamikr | reenoo: Yes, I am using that and it works. |
| 23:39.36 | lamikr | koen hinted this for me a couple of days ago. |
| 23:53.18 | florian | ~lart mysql |
| 23:53.42 | pigeon | wow |
| 23:53.47 | pigeon | ~botsnack |
| 23:53.47 | ibot | :), pigeon |
| 23:53.59 | pigeon | kamehameha wave! that's neat |
| 23:59.36 | reenoo | 'night all |
| 23:59.55 | florian | reenoo: good night |