| 00:24.08 | florian | good night |
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| 06:58.20 | rob_w|mis | morning .,,, |
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| 09:08.42 | XorA | morning |
| 09:09.43 | _law_ | hi XorA |
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| 10:04.29 | florian_kc | good morning |
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| 11:08.38 | Furunk3l | greetings all. |
| 11:10.11 | ewano | laa sgniteerg. |
| 11:13.02 | florian_kc | hi Furunk3l |
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| 11:46.25 | _law_ | koen, have you gdal.bb somewhere? |
| 11:46.50 | florian_kc | hi reenoo|z1zZ |
| 11:50.14 | koen | _law_: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/pda/files/gdal_1.3.1.bb |
| 11:50.47 | _law_ | koen, thanks doesn it build? |
| 11:50.56 | _law_ | s/doesn/does |
| 11:51.11 | koen | _law_: it doesn't build |
| 11:51.21 | pb__ | florian_kc: good morning |
| 11:52.36 | florian_kc | hi pb__ |
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| 12:03.24 | rob_w|mis | how can i manually switch a state on a widget , fe to ACTIVE or SELECTED ? |
| 12:20.00 | _law_ | koen, did you also get this error: http://pastebin.com/617830 |
| 12:20.34 | _law_ | libjpeg ist available in tmp/staging/arm-linux/lib |
| 12:21.03 | koen | _law_: I think I fixed that by using the internal jpeg, but I'm not sure |
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| 12:45.55 | pb__ | rob_w|mis: gtk_widget_set_state(), I guess |
| 12:55.01 | rob_w|mis | crap .. .. i should have known this .. thanks pb |
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| 13:20.03 | HopsNBarley | florian_kc: did you ever get your MPC8349E booted? |
| 13:21.52 | florian_kc | HopsNBarley: I have a PowerStack - but that one is back to its daily duty - beeing a Linux server :-) |
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| 13:23.01 | HopsNBarley | okay. i'm stuck in the same u-boot place you (i think it was you!) mentioned on the u-boot list. |
| 13:23.34 | florian_kc | HopsNBarley: nope, to don't use u-boot :-) |
| 13:23.41 | florian_kc | s/to/i |
| 13:24.10 | HopsNBarley | florian_kc, sorry to bother then! |
| 13:24.16 | florian_kc | HopsNBarley: np :-) |
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| 14:21.39 | florian_kc | re |
| 14:25.29 | koen | florian_kc: wb |
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| 15:52.23 | Genesis | does someone use GPE on CELFLinux ? |
| 15:55.47 | neal | florian: Did you get the chroot to work? |
| 15:56.42 | florian_kc | Genesis: no, but that might be an interesting experiment... |
| 15:57.09 | florian_kc | neal: not yet, but mostly because of lacking time.. |
| 15:59.16 | Genesis | i'd prefer succeed to use OE but it seems to be very difficult |
| 15:59.27 | Genesis | it's a i.mx21 dev board |
| 16:00.11 | Genesis | such product as Axia A108 , Qool Pocket PC or Kinpo/Compal S600 are i.mx21 based . |
| 16:00.56 | florian_kc | Genesis: well... not really - as soon as you get used to it. but its definitely a complex thing. |
| 16:03.15 | florian_kc | Genesis: From the basic system it should not be that complicated, the CPU core seems to be similar to the one in the 770. |
| 16:03.45 | koen | i.mx - the X makes it sounds cool |
| 16:03.57 | koen | (to paraphrase bender from futurama) |
| 16:04.05 | Genesis | the difficulty is to flash the UC |
| 16:06.41 | florian_kc | Genesis: But that topic is interesting, i'm working on a plan to improve the platform support for GPE and to provide a tighter framework for all sorts of interaction purposes. |
| 16:07.08 | Genesis | oki it's noticed |
| 16:07.26 | Genesis | it's my first experience in embedded system |
| 16:08.12 | florian_kc | So all ideas about what's necessary on smartphones and maybe on the underlaying distributions might be good to know. |
| 16:10.34 | Genesis | i read a lot |
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| 16:11.09 | paniq | hum |
| 16:11.13 | paniq | i have a hx4700 |
| 16:11.15 | Genesis | i shall build a ebook solution ( two 800x600 touchscreen like a book ) based on MiniMo :) |
| 16:11.23 | paniq | mplayer is quite slow when playing video/audio |
| 16:11.27 | paniq | from sd card, that is |
| 16:11.33 | paniq | what can i do to improve the speed? |
| 16:12.28 | zecke | paniq: increase buffer size? |
| 16:12.36 | zecke | paniq: read ahead from the sd card |
| 16:13.10 | paniq | didnt help |
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| 16:22.35 | florian_kc | Genesis: in minimo? take a look at fbreader :-) |
| 16:25.18 | Genesis | hehe yeap but it seems to be web based |
| 16:25.38 | Genesis | most of that , the client would have adobe flash support :/ |
| 16:25.45 | Genesis | more than that |
| 16:26.30 | Genesis | but i could avoid this if i promote gecko css/svg support perharps |
| 16:27.11 | florian_kc | yeah |
| 16:27.49 | Genesis | mreimer, do you do a idle record ? |
| 16:28.14 | Genesis | :') |
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| 16:38.42 | florian_kc | koen: wb |
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| 17:17.25 | Genesis | bye |
| 17:17.52 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 17:19.23 | florian_kc | hi CoreDump|home |
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| 18:49.41 | CoreDump|home | who is the current maintainer of keylaunch? |
| 18:50.12 | _law_ | CoreDump|home: florian? ;-) |
| 18:51.22 | CoreDump|home | florian_kc: could you update keylaunch in .1 to .dev? This would fix hotkeys at least on SL-Cxxxx |
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| 19:46.13 | AMD | hi |
| 19:46.29 | AMD | I consider to change from Opie to GPE |
| 19:47.12 | AMD | I'm using the Sl-5500 with its' 206 Mhz SA-1100 CPU |
| 19:47.41 | AMD | is it powerful enough for GPE or should I keep using the faster Opie |
| 19:48.08 | koen | opie being faster is a myth |
| 19:48.28 | AMD | its thought to be because it has no x11 subsystem |
| 19:48.38 | AMD | I haven't tried GPE yet |
| 19:48.41 | koen | yes 'thought' |
| 19:48.54 | moray | AMD: it still needs to perform the same functions though |
| 19:48.57 | koen | nobody has been able to prove that opie is faster |
| 19:49.00 | moray | AMD: X being inefficient is a myth |
| 19:49.12 | AMD | Ok |
| 19:49.29 | moray | AMD: consider that the systems X was originally written for were a lot less powerful than your handheld :) |
| 19:49.49 | AMD | probably it's only very few slower |
| 19:49.52 | AMD | but does GPE take more memory |
| 19:50.37 | AMD | because it has the whole or maybe only a part of the X11 |
| 19:51.04 | zecke | AMD: koen telling the truth is a myth as well |
| 19:51.10 | zecke | AMD: nobody did ever proof it :) |
| 19:51.31 | koen | :) |
| 19:51.52 | AMD | This Sl-5500 has just few memory and a weak battery so I need something that saves it resources |
| 19:52.15 | AMD | but anyway I'm not satisfied with Opie |
| 19:52.21 | AMD | I think its time to change |
| 19:52.50 | AMD | do you suggest a typical user to change? |
| 19:53.03 | zecke | AMD: try it |
| 19:53.21 | zecke | gpe has advanced a lot, so it might be ready for you |
| 19:53.32 | AMD | the design is nice, the web browser also and there is already a port of zbedic |
| 19:53.38 | AMD | I think thats enough |
| 19:53.47 | AMD | is there a good mail client? |
| 19:54.10 | zecke | not as appropriate as opie-mail |
| 19:54.16 | zecke | but there is sylpheed |
| 19:54.24 | zecke | BTW: I'm a Qt/Opie developer |
| 19:54.52 | AMD | and any messenger? |
| 19:55.14 | _law_ | AMD: gaim |
| 19:55.24 | AMD | very nice |
| 19:55.34 | AMD | but I've problems with it under Opie |
| 19:55.53 | CoreDump|bbiab | forget opie-gaim |
| 19:56.01 | AMD | on the 1.5 release 3 jabber is not working |
| 19:56.02 | _law_ | AMD: in gpe there is gaim-2.0.0 |
| 19:56.07 | AMD | nice |
| 19:56.07 | CoreDump|bbiab | gpe gaim is the treal deal |
| 19:56.36 | AMD | and every normal application would run fast enough on a SL-5500 |
| 19:57.15 | zecke | try it |
| 19:57.20 | AMD | Ok |
| 19:57.31 | zecke | what can you lose, your Opie license will not be revoked when trying GPE |
| 19:59.07 | AMD | its just that many applications that are ported to Opie spend very few resources and as I know there too many huge programs for GPE |
| 19:59.41 | zecke | these are the two sides of the medal |
| 19:59.58 | zecke | Opie/Qtopia apps were rewritten or 'actively' ported to be usable |
| 20:00.10 | zecke | the X11 apps are mainly only cross compiled |
| 20:00.41 | AMD | I've got Oz 3.5.4 flashed. Is it possible to flash only the new initrd.bin? |
| 20:00.42 | zecke | e.g. GAIM 1.x suffered from this, what is approriate on the desktop might not be the best on a PDA |
| 20:00.52 | AMD | yes |
| 20:00.54 | zecke | AMD: it should |
| 20:00.58 | AMD | that is what I meant |
| 20:01.21 | koen | zecke: gaim 2.0 in OE has been 'ported' to a qvga screen as well |
| 20:01.30 | koen | zecke: as part of the Google Summer of Code |
| 20:01.39 | zecke | koen: this is why I used the 1.x term |
| 20:02.13 | AMD | where is the current gpe feed? |
| 20:02.20 | AMD | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.4/feed/gpe/ is empty |
| 20:03.28 | koen | AMD: check /etc/ipkg/ |
| 20:03.33 | koen | AMD: all the feeds are preconfigured |
| 20:06.13 | AMD | ok |
| 20:06.15 | AMD | thx |
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| 20:30.55 | florian | re |
| 20:31.03 | _law_ | florian: is there any way to turn on debugging in keylaunch? |
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| 20:31.16 | AMD | really great the new GPE |
| 20:31.22 | florian | _law_: -DDEBUG iirc |
| 20:31.24 | AMD | a solid GUI |
| 20:31.29 | florian | hi AMD |
| 20:31.32 | AMD | hi |
| 20:31.44 | AMD | it looks great |
| 20:31.58 | _law_ | florian: key=....telephone:-:rxvt should be the right syntax or? |
| 20:32.27 | florian | AMD: nice to hear! |
| 20:32.40 | AMD | a simple question: how can i change the colour of this border around a selected application |
| 20:33.04 | _law_ | florian: no errors i also looks that it works (cursor changes if i press button) but rxvt doesnt start (on collie) |
| 20:33.56 | florian | _law_: hmm yes, but i always wondered about that strange key. does xev show that too? |
| 20:34.14 | florian | AMD: On the desktop? |
| 20:35.16 | AMD | florian: yes |
| 20:35.56 | _law_ | florian_kc: xev shows it too, i?ll build keylaunch with debug = 1 |
| 20:36.52 | florian | AMD: that would be part of the matchbox-desktop theme |
| 20:37.35 | AMD | florian: you can hardly read the name of the application when it has a black border around |
| 20:39.24 | florian | yeah... iirc we have an open bug about this. |
| 20:41.14 | _law_ | florian: you are right it works with the mail button |
| 20:41.44 | _law_ | florian: ah this is because contacts is mapped to alt. |
| 20:41.56 | _law_ | i?ll try it with hold |
| 20:42.28 | AMD | how can I close a panel |
| 20:45.06 | _law_ | AMD hide? |
| 20:45.20 | AMD | ok |
| 20:45.43 | AMD | how to get this hide and remove menu |
| 20:45.49 | _law_ | AMD push panel long |
| 20:45.59 | _law_ | and you get an menu |
| 20:46.12 | AMD | hmm |
| 20:46.16 | AMD | strange |
| 20:46.18 | AMD | no menu |
| 20:46.25 | AMD | but I got it just before |
| 20:46.48 | AMD | know i've got it by clicking besides |
| 20:46.56 | emte | anyone point me to how to compile gpe-conf on a host not using OE ? |
| 20:47.07 | emte | missing Makefile.in |
| 20:48.47 | CoreDump|home | my ~/.matchbox folder contains "mbdock.session" which is the configuration for the dock. Does anyone here know if a global dock session can be installed into /etc and what the path/filename should be? |
| 20:48.49 | zecke | emte: autoreconf? |
| 20:49.13 | emte | hmm |
| 20:49.22 | emte | i'll try that autogen didnt work |
| 20:50.38 | emte | oh wait ... that wasnt my problem ... |
| 20:50.45 | emte | autogen did work |
| 20:50.57 | emte | main.c:56:27: error: gpe/infoprint.h: No such file or directory |
| 20:51.03 | emte | is my problem |
| 20:51.53 | emte | i need to manually link to one of the gpe libraries? |
| 20:52.34 | emte | but the question i guess is which one |
| 20:55.31 | emte | aha in libgpewiget |
| 20:55.44 | Cwiiis | Can anyone do me a favour (involving taking a screenshot of gpe-calendar)? |
| 20:56.23 | florian | emte: maybe a very old libgpewidget |
| 20:56.29 | emte | i would if i could get it off my device |
| 20:56.53 | AMD | I need a small and easy to install CAS with plotting function |
| 20:56.54 | emte | florian, yeah i am having an issue compiling libgpewidget on my host now |
| 20:56.54 | florian | Cwiiis: from which device? |
| 20:57.11 | Cwiiis | florian: Any, I just want to see how gpe-calendar handles setting recurrences on events |
| 20:57.25 | emte | mine works fin |
| 20:57.28 | AMD | and of course a file manager |
| 20:57.30 | emte | fine* |
| 20:57.42 | emte | and my events reoccure for 3-4months |
| 20:57.45 | _law_ | Cwiiis: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.4093.png |
| 20:58.25 | Cwiiis | _law_: Cool - but what does the dialogue to set recurrences on events look like? |
| 20:59.17 | emte | three tabbed window |
| 20:59.28 | _law_ | Cwiiis: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.4245.png |
| 21:00.15 | Cwiiis | _law_: Cool, thanks - so what happens there when you choose weekly or daily? Can you set it to repeat on two days of each week, or something like that? |
| 21:00.15 | _law_ | Cwiiis: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.4370.png doesnt look very nice :-( |
| 21:01.06 | emte | days, hours, months, years etc |
| 21:01.35 | _law_ | Cwiiis: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.4576.png |
| 21:01.52 | Cwiiis | _law_: Thanks again :) |
| 21:02.07 | AMD | hey guys what is a common filemanager for GPE? |
| 21:02.11 | Cwiiis | I'm just looking at how different calendaring apps handle it... |
| 21:02.30 | emte | gpe-filemanager |
| 21:03.07 | AMD | ok thx |
| 21:07.39 | emte | hrm |
| 21:08.08 | emte | does anyone have a set of usable instructions to build gpe on a host? |
| 21:08.35 | emte | er wait |
| 21:08.39 | emte | i have to run |
| 21:08.42 | emte | i'll bbiab |
| 21:08.45 | AMD | hmm the package manager has been trying to install abiword for 3 minutes |
| 21:08.48 | AMD | and no response |
| 21:09.10 | _law_ | AMD its better if you install via commandline |
| 21:09.42 | _law_ | i also recommend a swapspace (on sd card) on an Z 5500d |
| 21:10.17 | AMD | then I can use the PDA without power for about 30 minutes :D |
| 21:10.33 | AMD | I should look far a better battery |
| 21:10.56 | AMD | perhaps anybody here who has experience with the Sl-5500 battery? |
| 21:12.26 | _law_ | AMD you could talk with lauter in oesf forum. he could build you a new battery |
| 21:13.17 | AMD | I've heard of him |
| 21:13.23 | _law_ | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=13084&hl=battery |
| 21:14.22 | AMD | 1600 mAh I think I've already seen somebody who is offering more |
| 21:15.44 | _law_ | AMD: btw. you also should link /var/tmp and /var/lib/ipk to your sd. so you would ran out of internal disc space |
| 21:15.56 | _law_ | s/would/wouldnt |
| 21:21.27 | _law_ | hmm Released Pressed Held and Combine doesnt work with my collie |
| 21:23.21 | florian | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.30 | _law_ | florian: so contacts and calendar buttons wont work, because they are mapped to ctrl and alt |
| 21:25.16 | _law_ | i?ll try it again with old keylaunch |
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| 21:33.23 | AMD2 | I've just installed abiword. How can I put a link to it on the desktop? |
| 21:33.52 | _law_ | AMD2: installed on SD? |
| 21:34.05 | AMD2 | on internal storage |
| 21:34.19 | _law_ | AMD2: so i should be there |
| 21:34.46 | AMD2 | I used ipkg from the command line |
| 21:35.09 | _law_ | AMD2: look in Other Folder |
| 21:35.30 | AMD2 | nothing |
| 21:35.42 | AMD2 | I need to use ipkg-link ? |
| 21:35.58 | _law_ | AMD2: only if you install it on SD or CF |
| 21:36.37 | _law_ | AMD2: mom i?ll fire up my second zaurus |
| 21:37.15 | _law_ | AMD2: is there an abiwork.desktop in /usr/share/applications? |
| 21:37.28 | _law_ | s/abiwork/abiword |
| 21:38.23 | AMD2 | when I start abiword it misses the libraries |
| 21:38.28 | AMD2 | I've to do ipkg-link |
| 21:38.55 | AMD2 | it is not installed into / but into /mnt/ram |
| 21:39.45 | koen | so you didn't install to internal storage |
| 21:42.19 | AMD2 | not to the system memory but to the internal flash! |
| 21:44.19 | _law_ | night all |
| 21:44.28 | koen | 'night _law_ |
| 21:44.31 | AMD2 | good night |
| 21:46.35 | AMD2 | is there a fast way to link all the dependencies of a package? |
| 21:47.23 | florian | AMD2: good night |
| 21:47.27 | koen | AMD2: ? |
| 21:47.29 | AMD2 | good night |
| 21:48.25 | AMD2 | koen: ipkg-link to a package and to its dependencies |
| 21:49.11 | koen | ipkg-link mount <dest> |
| 21:49.22 | AMD2 | doesn't work ... |
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