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| 01:17.01 | florian | good night |
| 01:41.16 | jg_ | ping joshua_ |
| 01:53.15 | joshua_ | pong jg_ |
| 01:54.40 | jg_ | joshua_: you still playing with LAB at all? |
| 01:55.02 | joshua_ | jg_: off and on. mreimer's been doing more with it lately than I have been, but I think I'm still pretty current. |
| 01:55.19 | jg_ | joshua_: how big is LAB running? |
| 01:55.57 | joshua_ | depends on what you compile into it. let me look at how big recent 2200 builds run |
| 01:57.04 | joshua_ | jg_: 928kbyte |
| 01:57.14 | joshua_ | I have networking built into this since the h2200 kernel doesn't boot without it for some reason. |
| 01:57.26 | jg_ | joshua_: compressed, or uncompressed? |
| 01:58.28 | joshua_ | that is a zImage |
| 01:58.42 | jg_ | what all is in it? |
| 01:58.53 | joshua_ | skimming.... |
| 02:00.40 | joshua_ | sysv IPC; sysctl support; userspace events; LKM support; HAMCOP including touchscreen, DMA, SD; a bunch of LAB commands; CF; NWFPE; APM; networking (but no IP or anything); |
| 02:01.05 | jg_ | NWFPE? |
| 02:01.29 | jg_ | why sysvIPC? |
| 02:01.50 | jg_ | and what is HAMCOP |
| 02:01.51 | jg_ | ? |
| 02:01.54 | joshua_ | MTD (including hamcop NAND); ATA (for CF); touchscreen; mediaq + FB (but not fbcon); battery; |
| 02:01.59 | joshua_ | NWFPE == floating point emulation |
| 02:02.16 | joshua_ | sysvipc because this was probably a .config modded from a full kernel |
| 02:02.27 | joshua_ | HAMCOP is the 2210's asic |
| 02:03.13 | jg_ | how big is NWFPE? |
| 02:03.21 | joshua_ | USB gadget built in; e2fs; jffs2; vfat |
| 02:03.31 | joshua_ | looking |
| 02:03.54 | joshua_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.05 | jg_ | ah, pretty small. |
| 02:04.08 | joshua_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.22 | joshua_ | (just looking at what I'd expect to be the big hits) |
| 02:04.28 | jg_ | what is usb/gadget? |
| 02:04.39 | joshua_ | USB client |
| 02:04.57 | joshua_ | acts as a ethernet device, serial device, or file-backed USB mass storage |
| 02:05.03 | joshua_ | currently configured as serial |
| 02:06.22 | joshua_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:06.34 | jg_ | joshua_: thanks greatly. We're planning to use LinuxBIOS on the OLPC machine, and use LOBOS (what the LinuxBIOS folks call LAB). |
| 02:06.56 | joshua_ | hmm, I thought LOBOS was for booting non-Linux OSen |
| 02:07.00 | jg_ | ah, so a huge chunk is your file system? |
| 02:07.35 | joshua_ | I'm not sure where that all comes from. |
| 02:07.57 | joshua_ | fs/*/built-in.o seems to show that nfs was compiled, but that's a surprise to me, considering that it's not checked in the .config |
| 02:08.05 | joshua_ | I see a lose from jffs2: 85784 992 156 86932 15394 jffs2/built-in.o |
| 02:09.04 | joshua_ | LOBOS evidently also refers to a syscall... maybe I am just confused: LOBOS (Linux OS Boots OS) \u2013 a system call that allows Linux to boot another OS without leaving the 32-bit protected mode or using the BIOS |
| 02:09.08 | joshua_ | I thought kexec did that |
| 02:09.34 | jg_ | maybe I'm confused about their terminology... |
| 02:10.22 | joshua_ | heh, they're claiming 3sec to kernel start. |
| 02:10.31 | jg_ | yup. |
| 02:10.34 | joshua_ | I've seen 1.7sec on the 2210 to lab prompt |
| 02:10.42 | joshua_ | probably longer nowadays, though |
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| 02:11.07 | jg_ | joshua_: probably brain dead PC hardware slows them down. |
| 02:11.51 | joshua_ | yeah, I'd imagine |
| 02:12.03 | joshua_ | I think that at least 500msec of lab on the 2210 is because of the hamcop loading stuff out of NAND, though |
| 02:13.27 | joshua_ | one of the things on my ideas/todo list had been to stick linuxbios on my EPIA and get LAB going as a payload |
| 02:14.08 | jg_ | joshua_: maybe I should get you a OLPC dev board to play with..... |
| 02:16.33 | joshua_ | heh |
| 02:17.57 | jg_ | how big is USB? |
| 02:19.04 | joshua_ | gadget or host? |
| 02:19.58 | joshua_ | hmm, does the GX500 really have enough oomph to push much content? |
| 02:20.08 | jg_ | host? |
| 02:20.27 | jg_ | joshua_: actually, I get blt, and even alpha blt in it... |
| 02:20.40 | jg_ | and I get a real FPU |
| 02:20.44 | joshua_ | blt? |
| 02:20.50 | joshua_ | oh, bitblt |
| 02:21.01 | joshua_ | host, as in what I have on my tc1100 |
| 02:22.02 | joshua_ | does it do any video acceleration? |
| 02:22.07 | jg_ | yes. |
| 02:22.32 | joshua_ | I seem to remember that my (600mhz) epia can barely barely push 640x480 full screen mpeg-4 |
| 02:22.32 | jg_ | with a tail wind, we may be able to do full screen 30 frames/second. |
| 02:22.58 | joshua_ | that'd be neat |
| 02:24.01 | joshua_ | USB brings zImage up to 966kbyte |
| 02:24.15 | joshua_ | (no host controller drivers built in, but I assume they're maybe 5-10kbyte each compressed) |
| 02:24.36 | joshua_ | I don't really recommend USB in the bootloader, though; it's big, and it's not really a big win, especially if you have PS/2 input devices |
| 02:24.47 | jg_ | yeah, well, if we can fit everything into 512K bytes, we can save $.3 to $.5. |
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| 02:25.09 | jg_ | joshua_: we need to be able to restore from a usb stick. |
| 02:25.21 | joshua_ | how big is LinuxBIOS? |
| 02:25.59 | jg_ | that is a good question. I'm not sure we know yet; and we need to do a fbdev driver so we can nuke vesa support. |
| 02:26.29 | joshua_ | why not use LinuxBIOS to boot a small loader that will grab data from NAND? |
| 02:27.06 | france | jg_: there are some other interesting optoins, time for lunch next week? |
| 02:27.07 | joshua_ | h2210 et al (NAND-only systems) load the first 4k into some small SRAM, whcih contains a bootblock that loads larger amounts into DRAM |
| 02:27.25 | jg_ | joshua_: we can do that (and probably will have to). But the serial ROM is completely impossible to overwrite by accident. |
| 02:27.40 | jg_ | joshua_: sure. |
| 02:27.55 | joshua_ | "have to" is sort of strong. I disliked that idea on h2210 at first, but it's growing on me. |
| 02:28.14 | joshua_ | it's probably a big win for you since you might be able to even get this in 128k or 64k |
| 02:28.30 | jg_ | joshua_: the serial rom's aren't that small.... |
| 02:28.37 | jg_ | the small one is 4 megabits. |
| 02:28.56 | joshua_ | btw, those zImage sizes are all for ARM, not for x86. |
| 02:29.06 | jg_ | yup, I know. |
| 02:30.13 | joshua_ | I suspect you might be able to save another $.1 going down to 2mbit or 1mbit -- then again, you might have to switch manufacturers to get something that small, which might end up beind more of a lose. I don't really know the business side of it particularly well. |
| 02:30.25 | jg_ | nor do I. |
| 02:30.41 | jg_ | I just want a system that literally cannot be bricked. |
| 02:31.06 | joshua_ | hmmm |
| 02:31.10 | jg_ | if you are in the jungles of rural cambodia, a bricked machine is literally a brick, and you might as well use it as building material. |
| 02:31.39 | jg_ | we are also going to be a large mono-culture; we have to worry about worms. |
| 02:32.07 | joshua_ | the open source h2210 first stage has an "emergency mode", accessible by holding down some key combination while resetting the device |
| 02:32.58 | joshua_ | that inhales a LAB image from serial and stuffs it into DRAM |
| 02:33.10 | jg_ | joshua_: no serial connector. |
| 02:33.11 | joshua_ | you might want that, even if you don't have a serial line level transceiver |
| 02:33.39 | joshua_ | perhaps just 3 pins, connectable by the "teacher cable". connect it to any other unit, and have it grab a new image |
| 02:34.08 | jg_ | our thoughts are to use USB keys for restore. |
| 02:34.26 | joshua_ | USB is (code-wise) expensive. |
| 02:34.55 | jg_ | yes, I know. |
| 02:35.15 | joshua_ | if you can keep them from overwriting the first partition of NAND, then you can keep your loader there and avoid bricking the device without loading a new kernel on it. |
| 02:36.23 | joshua_ | USB is probably too expensive for a first stage loader, whichi woudl likely be written in assembly. |
| 02:36.49 | jg_ | joshua_: well, I need to go to bed. |
| 02:37.11 | jg_ | you on vacationt this week? |
| 02:37.33 | joshua_ | that was two weeks ago... |
| 02:37.46 | joshua_ | I'm game for meeting for dinner one night this week, though. been intending to see some of the ex-CRL folk |
| 02:38.46 | jg_ | dunno if it will work or not; I have to check with my wife's schedule and may also be out one evening. |
| 02:38.57 | jg_ | I'll be in touch.... |
| 02:39.03 | jg_ | good night |
| 02:39.22 | joshua_ | okay. shoot me an email (joshua@joshuawise.com) -- naim's backlog buffer isn't so long |
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| 02:54.41 | joshua_ | jg_: heh, the keyboard shown in http://www.andycarvin.com/archives/2005/11/the_100_laptop.html looks a lot like a tc1100 keyboard |
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| 03:11.12 | jg_ | http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/04/olpc-100-laptop-shown-in-final-form/ is much closer to what we'll ship. |
| 03:12.29 | jg_ | joshua_: I won't tell you exactly which features of which, though. |
| 03:18.06 | joshua_ | jg_: go to sleep |
| 03:18.09 | joshua_ | :P |
| 03:18.20 | jg_ | joshua_: you too ;-). |
| 03:20.12 | joshua_ | ah, I see that the carrying handle has been slightly shortened in that. |
| 03:20.19 | joshua_ | I sort of like the weird center of gravity on my tc1100. |
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| 09:08.54 | XorA | morning |
| 09:09.12 | _law_ | hi XorA |
| 09:14.03 | _law_ | has someone tried to install networkmanger? there is an dial up function in so we could drop gkdial.. |
| 09:15.31 | XorA | _law_: that the redhat/gnome thing? |
| 09:15.52 | _law_ | XorA, yes |
| 09:16.35 | XorA | _law_: it sucks bigtime, I had it on desktop, but it assumes my Z usb is the primary connection |
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| 09:21.20 | obergix[work] | hi |
| 09:22.08 | XorA | _law_: and also tends to drop connections at random for other connections |
| 09:22.28 | XorA | _law_: it really needs some for of user configured priority |
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| 09:28.51 | _law_ | XorA, ok so we need someone who could take a look at gkdial :-) or build something new? |
| 09:29.26 | XorA | _law_: I suppose I am a bit harsh with network manager, it works well in some cases |
| 09:29.46 | XorA | _law_: maybe I am the unusual case having 2xwifi 1xLAN, 1xUSB network interfaces |
| 09:30.11 | _law_ | XorA, but gkdial would be much smaller i think |
| 09:34.26 | XorA | _law_: gkdial improved to understand ircomm/rfcomm would certainly be cool |
| 09:34.42 | XorA | _law_: or gpe-bluetooth and gpe-beam learning about dialup |
| 09:34.47 | XorA | _law_: or some combo |
| 09:35.02 | _law_ | XorA, yes this would be really nice |
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| 10:07.25 | reenoo | morning |
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| 10:18.08 | pb__ | hi reenoo |
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| 10:24.37 | france | pb__: have u seen dctanner about? |
| 10:28.25 | reenoo | hey pb__ |
| 10:30.02 | reenoo | pb__: apart from the final packaging stage the locale stuff was working last night. |
| 10:33.00 | france | I have a bunch of gpe bugs in bugzilla that were assigned to dctanner, anybody want them???? (before I deactivate his bugzilla account (e-mail bouncing)) |
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| 10:38.31 | pb__ | hi france |
| 10:38.38 | pb__ | yeah, he was here yesterday |
| 10:38.42 | pb__ | ibot, seen dc_? |
| 10:38.45 | ibot | dc_ <n=dctanner@bb-87-81-165-34.ukonline.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 3d 19h 36m 21s ago, saying: 'sending my current mini to colo I think'. |
| 10:38.53 | pb__ | ibot, seen dc__? |
| 10:38.54 | ibot | dc__ <n=dctanner@bb-87-81-165-34.ukonline.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 22h 17m 45s ago, saying: 'yeh'. |
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| 10:39.06 | pb__ | reenoo: awesome |
| 10:39.14 | pb__ | france: thanks for your email, I'll reply to it shortly |
| 10:39.42 | france | pb_: thx, we need to find an e-mail address for him, the magenet.com folks are getting upset about daily bugzilla reminders. :-0 |
| 10:39.49 | pb__ | heh, right |
| 10:40.02 | pb__ | I think he's dctanner@gmail.com these days |
| 10:40.41 | france | pb__: he has new gpe bugs going back to 2003. I am tempted to just close them. |
| 10:43.02 | pb__ | it'd be better to assign them to gpe@handhelds.org or something. just closing them is a bit of a poke in the eye for the submitters. |
| 10:45.51 | france | pb__: <nods> I just send a note to the gmail address. Lets see what he wants to do. |
| 10:46.20 | france | pb__: I suspect that if you submitted a bug in 2003 and it is still NEW, that you are probably not expecting much action. :-D |
| 10:47.10 | pb__ | heh. yeah, true, though I think a lot of those are just wishlist-type "please add this cool new feature" enhancement requests. |
| 10:47.24 | france | pb__: I could be wrong, I had a RH-7.2 bug fixed about a month ago from 2002. |
| 10:49.21 | france | pb__: if I do not hear from him in a day or two, then I will just re-assign them to gpe@handhelds.org |
| 10:49.27 | pb__ | okay, great |
| 10:51.15 | france | there are several folks that also have e-mail address that are no longer working. I re-assigned most of them. |
| 10:51.56 | france | it is taking a long time to cleanup the bugzilla db for the upgrade... lots of little bugs... like deactived bug owners. |
| 10:57.14 | france | pb__: also the e-mail to familiar-orphans is bouncing, as that user does not exist |
| 10:58.03 | france | alias familiar-orphans to familiar-dev |
| 10:58.19 | france | ? |
| 11:09.42 | XorA | _law_: that sylpheed-2.2.2 yours? |
| 11:10.25 | _law_ | XorA, no but it works fine |
| 11:10.56 | XorA | _law_: just about to test it |
| 11:15.09 | france | nite folks |
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| 11:48.34 | pb__ | france: yeah, good idea |
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| 11:49.10 | pb__ | florian_kc: good morning |
| 11:51.06 | florian_kc | good morning |
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| 11:52.52 | Macfiron | Hi |
| 12:04.13 | _law_ | hi florian_kc |
| 12:15.48 | florian_kc | reenoo|carwash: wait till snow and salt is gone ;-) |
| 12:16.41 | reenoo | hey florian_kc |
| 12:16.57 | reenoo | first of all I'll have to wait for that truck to get out of the way... |
| 12:25.04 | ade|desk | anyone adding that sylpheed-2.2.2 to repo ?? |
| 12:31.49 | XorA | ade|desk: just about to |
| 12:32.18 | _law_ | sylpheed works fine here, taskbar applet is nice |
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| 12:45.30 | XorA | ade|desk: should be in now |
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| 13:04.08 | TyggerBob | Mornin |
| 13:08.11 | florian_kc | hi TyggerBob |
| 13:09.36 | TyggerBob | Hey Florian.. how's.. geez.. I forgot his name already... |
| 13:09.43 | TyggerBob | starts with a J |
| 13:10.05 | florian_kc | Jonas :-) |
| 13:10.45 | florian_kc | pretty good... that means i had a short night. |
| 13:11.05 | TyggerBob | Thanks.. |
| 13:11.09 | TyggerBob | ahhhh |
| 13:11.18 | TyggerBob | One of my twins is sick.. |
| 13:11.30 | ade|desk | thanks XorA |
| 13:11.34 | TyggerBob | can't keep anything down.. |
| 13:11.57 | TyggerBob | Anyone here do much Java work on familiar? |
| 13:13.10 | florian_kc | reenoo|afk maybe |
| 13:14.05 | TyggerBob | my programming course that I'm doing in April is on Java.. I though it'd be nice to be able to do some work on my iPAQ on the bus and stuff |
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| 13:22.32 | florian_kc | brb, food |
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| 14:14.23 | XorA | ~lart gconf |
| 14:16.05 | XorA | what keeps making gconf et built :-( |
| 14:16.11 | XorA | s/et/get/ |
| 14:16.49 | florian_kc | re |
| 14:18.00 | polyonymous | goodmorning |
| 14:18.27 | TyggerBob | re |
| 14:18.57 | polyonymous | am I missing something or what do people do about keyboard layout switching in gpe? |
| 14:19.16 | florian_kc | polyonymous: of xkbd? |
| 14:19.25 | polyonymous | florian_kc, isn't that virtual keyboard? |
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| 14:20.50 | florian_kc | polyonymous: yes rigth, you can select between all the installed layouts with Settings->Keys&Buttons |
| 14:21.12 | polyonymous | How about 'physical' keyboard? |
| 14:21.53 | polyonymous | Something along the lines of 'Option "XkbLayout" "us,ru"'? |
| 14:22.37 | polyonymous | and 'Option "XkbOptions" "grp:alt_shift_toggle"' for that matter ;-) |
| 14:23.11 | florian_kc | Not sure how this works with kdrive... |
| 14:23.38 | polyonymous | Neither I am, that's why I'm asking :) |
| 14:23.51 | polyonymous | Where is the home of this embedded X-thingie? |
| 14:24.03 | polyonymous | if you know out of your head that is. |
| 14:25.55 | polyonymous | nevermind. |
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| 15:08.58 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 15:10.08 | florian_kc | hi CoreDump|home |
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| 15:21.00 | jsmanrique | hi |
| 15:21.22 | florian_kc | hi jsmanrique |
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| 16:59.20 | pb__ | g'day dc__, ph5 |
| 16:59.28 | dc__ | hey |
| 16:59.37 | pH5 | hey pb__, hi everyone |
| 17:00.44 | Macfiron | bye |
| 17:01.10 | pb__ | florian_kc: who is Macfiron, by the way? |
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| 17:01.19 | pb__ | g'day zecke |
| 17:05.35 | florian_kc | pb__: A friend from university... working for kc now. |
| 17:11.51 | pb__ | florian_kc: ah right, excellent |
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| 17:28.53 | florian_kc | We need to wourk on pulling more people to the bright good side of power ;-) |
| 17:29.13 | florian_kc | s/wourrk/work |
| 17:33.14 | polyonymous | What side of power is bright and good? :) |
| 17:33.45 | reenoo | ibot: botmail for TyggerBob I wouldn't recommend doing java development on the ipaq due to (arm specific) bugs in jikes (ibm's java compiler). you should however be able to run most (non-gui) java applications using jamvm and classpath. |
| 17:34.25 | florian_kc | polyonymous: you are on the bright side here ;-) |
| 17:34.39 | polyonymous | Okay, what is the dark side then? :) |
| 17:36.27 | pb__ | me |
| 17:36.41 | polyonymous | Ah, what makes you dark then? :) |
| 17:37.08 | pb__ | Actually I have no idea, it just seems to come naturally. |
| 17:37.17 | polyonymous | Understandable :) |
| 17:40.13 | reenoo | florian_kc: do you happen to have any rogue, virus infected, windows boxes at kc? seems unlikely, I know, but I'm being spammed with loads of virus mail by someone claiming to be info@kc.de and I can't verify that due to gmx stripping headers or something |
| 17:41.57 | florian_kc | reenoo: heh... thats really unlikely. we have a single windows box here for some layouting stuff and flasher tool, but it is not that frequently used. |
| 17:46.22 | reenoo | florian_kc: hmm. it's limited to certain dates. e.g. feb 23rd and yesterday |
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| 17:47.24 | moray | reenoo: it's quite likely that someone is harvesting addresses where yours appears nearby to theirs? |
| 17:48.30 | reenoo | moray: yah, that could be as well. I think my address is listed somewhere on the kc website |
| 17:51.43 | florian_kc | reenoo: i don't think anyone used that machine the last three days |
| 17:51.59 | florian_kc | hmm... today its up |
| 17:52.13 | reenoo | pb__: can you think of any reason for FILES_${PN} containing ${libdir}/locale (glibc-package.bbclass)? that's why the packaging breaks... |
| 17:54.00 | reenoo | florian_kc: yah, no worries. just wanted to let you know. (this type of crap is why my windows systems don't get network access at all) |
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| 17:55.37 | reenoo | my windows systems being a windows installation on my laptop which I need for windows only software for a couple of courses |
| 17:56.01 | pb__ | reenoo: can't think of any reason for that. if you inspect an old libc6.ipk, what files does it contain from that directory? |
| 17:56.16 | reenoo | pb__: checking... |
| 17:57.15 | reenoo | $ dpkg-deb -c tmp/deploy/ipk/libc6_2.3.5+cvs20050627-r1_arm.ipk | grep locale |
| 17:57.15 | reenoo | drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2006-01-06 03:35:22 ./usr/lib/locale/ |
| 17:57.41 | pb__ | that's all? |
| 17:57.46 | reenoo | yup |
| 17:57.48 | pb__ | in that case, seems pretty useless |
| 17:57.48 | pb__ | heh |
| 17:58.14 | pb__ | I guess you can go ahead and take that out. |
| 17:58.43 | reenoo | will do. the packaging should work with it removed |
| 17:59.01 | pb__ | cool |
| 17:59.30 | florian_kc | hrm... great - my GpeIconView depends on gtk 2.8 :-/ |
| 17:59.58 | reenoo | heh |
| 18:00.02 | florian_kc | not that i'd feel bored... |
| 18:00.26 | pb__ | florian_kc: doh, that is unfortunate |
| 18:01.52 | florian_kc | great... and it seems to be not possible to have correctly centered text :-/ |
| 18:02.07 | florian_kc | that's a job for later... bbl |
| 18:02.29 | pb__ | florian_kc: later |
| 18:11.34 | polyonymous | reenoo, cut out ac access as well :) |
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| 18:30.02 | florian | re |
| 18:30.15 | _law_ | hi florian |
| 18:39.35 | florian | Now that i survived the tax pain this year and ran out of money i can focus on useful things... |
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| 18:53.03 | jurop88 | hi all! |
| 18:53.10 | jurop88 | Florian: ping! |
| 18:53.23 | pb_ | hi florian, florian_ |
| 18:53.35 | jurop88 | hi pb_! |
| 18:53.45 | pb_ | hi jurop88 |
| 18:53.48 | jurop88 | perhaps you can answer, too... |
| 18:54.14 | jurop88 | I am compiling gpe-contacts, but there's and undefined reference to mimedir_vcard_read_file |
| 18:54.20 | jurop88 | any hint? |
| 18:54.41 | pb_ | sounds like you need a better version of libmimedir |
| 18:55.07 | jurop88 | huh, I thought something about libgpevtype |
| 18:55.30 | jurop88 | I used libmimedir-2004-0225.tar.gz as linked on gpe.hanhelds.org |
| 18:55.45 | jurop88 | perhaps it's better to check out Gnome CVS ? |
| 18:55.53 | pb_ | yeah, that is probably better |
| 18:56.01 | pb_ | but florian[_] would know for sure |
| 18:57.11 | jurop88 | let's look... |
| 18:58.22 | florian | jurop88: hi |
| 18:58.32 | jurop88 | ho Florian! |
| 18:59.04 | florian | jurop88: yes you need latest libmimedir |
| 18:59.09 | jurop88 | s/ho/hi |
| 18:59.14 | jurop88 | I'm downloading it now |
| 18:59.34 | jurop88 | ...compiling... |
| 19:02.32 | jurop88 | it doesn't work from last CVS ?!? |
| 19:04.52 | florian | hmm... cvs is supposed to work |
| 19:05.03 | jurop88 | I think a little error in Diff... |
| 19:05.22 | jurop88 | Directly from the code... |
| 19:05.22 | jurop88 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.22 | jurop88 | <<<<<<< mimedir-vcomponent.c |
| 19:05.23 | jurop88 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.23 | jurop88 | ======= |
| 19:05.23 | jurop88 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.25 | jurop88 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.27 | jurop88 | >>>>>>> 1.28 |
| 19:05.29 | jurop88 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:06.17 | jurop88 | I'm not too experienced, but some lines don't seem proper C code |
| 19:07.19 | polyonymous | jurop88, that's a conflict, I think the easiest way is to remove the file and cvs update it again |
| 19:07.37 | polyonymous | if you want the latest cvs that is. |
| 19:09.00 | reenoo | well that's a merging conflict someone didn't resolve |
| 19:09.45 | jurop88 | Jurop is happy because he's learning a lot :-)! |
| 19:10.14 | polyonymous | Good thing to make one happy :) |
| 19:10.52 | polyonymous | (could never find out how NOT to learn a lot everyday:)) |
| 19:11.55 | jurop88 | worked! |
| 19:12.10 | jurop88 | some icons missing, still WIP, but compiled, no errors! |
| 19:12.15 | jurop88 | thx everybody |
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| 19:17.32 | jurop88 | florian:I am giving a look at the code because in Maemo ordering of contacts seems not to work properly |
| 19:17.51 | jurop88 | ...waiting for Philippe to discuss about TimeTracker stuff! |
| 19:23.58 | _law_ | hmm i think calendar-key ist mapped to ctrl and contacts-key is mapped to alt on my collie so this is the problem why keylaunch doesnt work or? |
| 19:24.40 | pb_ | probably |
| 19:24.52 | pb_ | you can't sensibly use those keys both as modifiers and for application launching. |
| 19:25.08 | pb_ | otherwise, every time you typed ctrl-c, the calendar would start. that would clearly suck. |
| 19:25.18 | Philippe | hi all |
| 19:25.22 | pb_ | hi philippe |
| 19:25.39 | Philippe | jurop88, I have already started to look at it, lots of changes! |
| 19:25.42 | Philippe | hi pb_ |
| 19:26.01 | reenoo | bonsoir Philippe |
| 19:26.14 | Philippe | hyvää iltaa reenoo |
| 19:26.35 | _law_ | pb_ i know but do you know how i can change calendar key to another function? remove ctrl? |
| 19:26.44 | florian | brb, Jonas sounds a little bit unhappy... |
| 19:26.54 | pb_ | _law_: yah, use xmodmap |
| 19:27.12 | _law_ | pb_ this doesn help... |
| 19:28.28 | pb_ | what's the output from xmodmap -pm? |
| 19:29.21 | _law_ | if i change calendar key in xmodmap keylauch also doesnt work... on calendar-key-hold works after that |
| 19:30.25 | _law_ | pb_ http://pastebin.com/587464 |
| 19:31.10 | pb_ | okay, and what keycode is your calendar key> |
| 19:31.15 | pb_ | s/>/?/ |
| 19:31.22 | pb_ | tsk |
| 19:31.43 | _law_ | Calendar Key = 96Contacts Key = 97 |
| 19:32.56 | pb_ | righto. and what are the corresponding lines in "xmodmap -pm"? |
| 19:33.50 | reenoo | pb_: cheers! |
| 19:33.52 | reenoo | $ dpkg-deb -c tmp/deploy/ipk/glibc-localedata-de-de_2.3.5+cvs20050627-r3_arm.ipk | tail -n 13 |
| 19:33.55 | reenoo | -rw-r--r-- root/root 207752 2006-03-06 19:25:26 ./usr/lib/locale/de_DE/LC_CTYPE |
| 19:33.57 | reenoo | -rw-r--r-- root/root 59 2006-03-06 19:09:14 ./usr/lib/locale/de_DE/LC_NUMERIC |
| 19:34.01 | reenoo | -rw-r--r-- root/root 2348 2006-03-06 20:16:26 ./usr/lib/locale/de_DE/LC_TIME |
| 19:34.03 | reenoo | ... |
| 19:34.33 | _law_ | pb_ xmodmap -pm outputs: http://pastebin.com/587464 |
| 19:36.11 | pb_ | reenoo: rock! |
| 19:36.13 | pb_ | all hail reenoo |
| 19:36.32 | _law_ | pb_ ah mom doesnt work over ssh |
| 19:36.41 | pb_ | _law_: er, sorry, -pk not -pm |
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| 19:41.50 | _law_ | pb_ http://pastebin.com/587487 |
| 19:43.34 | pb_ | so those keys are still mapped to Control_L and Alt_L? I thought you meant that you had changed those mappings. |
| 19:44.00 | _law_ | pb_ mom i?ll change them... |
| 19:44.24 | pb_ | that would be best. I think keylaunch will get confused otherwise. |
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| 19:52.30 | _law_ | pb_ http://pastebin.com/587506 keylaunch outputs this |
| 19:52.54 | _law_ | if i try this with home, menu, mail key all works fine, keylauch starts rxvt |
| 19:53.36 | pb_ | that all looks good |
| 19:53.48 | _law_ | pb_ but it doesnt start rxvt |
| 19:54.11 | _law_ | if i push calendar + contacts + backspace it kills xserver |
| 19:54.34 | _law_ | but keys are mapped to XF86Calendar and telephone. |
| 19:54.56 | pb_ | that's odd. If keylaunch says "short press", that means it has understood what's going on. |
| 19:55.21 | pb_ | I guess that must be some weird bug in keylaunch. |
| 19:56.04 | _law_ | pb_ could i be that keylauch also "see" the keys as alt and ctrl? like xserver ? |
| 19:56.50 | pb_ | what does xev say? |
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| 19:59.23 | _law_ | pb_ http://pastebin.com/587522 |
| 19:59.57 | koen|train | florian: thanks for the gpe-conf commit :) |
| 19:59.58 | pb_ | mm, yeah, it does seem that it's still seeing them modified for some reason |
| 20:00.28 | _law_ | pb_ http://helmsdeep.homelinux.net/~pat/contactskey_collie.png there is some sign |
| 20:01.59 | reenoo | hrm |
| 20:02.15 | reenoo | is busybox not i18n enabled or something? |
| 20:02.58 | _law_ | how can i check this? |
| 20:03.31 | reenoo | _law_: that was unrelated to keylaunch |
| 20:06.44 | jurop88 | welcome back, Philippe! |
| 20:06.52 | jurop88 | happy to know you are looking at the code! |
| 20:07.41 | _law_ | pb_ so this isnt an keylauch problem or? |
| 20:08.47 | pb_ | _law_: no, it looks like an xserver problem |
| 20:08.54 | france_ | pb_: hi |
| 20:09.00 | pb_ | hi france |
| 20:09.09 | france_ | I am looking at debian stuff again. |
| 20:09.25 | Philippe | hey jurop88 |
| 20:09.25 | france_ | I noticed that arm-linux-g++ is part of debain stable |
| 20:09.36 | france_ | do you know if there are testsuites about? |
| 20:09.43 | france_ | for native or cross? |
| 20:09.45 | Philippe | jurop88, indeed I am. It looks pretty decent until now. |
| 20:09.57 | jurop88 | :-) |
| 20:09.59 | france_ | or I am going to have to power on my debian box. |
| 20:10.16 | pb_ | france: I think the testsuite results are inside the package |
| 20:10.39 | france_ | pb_: thanks, downloading..... :-D |
| 20:11.18 | jurop88 | two matters arised and I like to discuss about them... |
| 20:11.23 | jurop88 | ...if it's the right place! |
| 20:11.26 | Philippe | jurop88, it needs some small fixes like the PREFIX that you kind of hardcoded in the code etc... |
| 20:12.37 | jurop88 | well, I'll look at them when you finish if you'll consider the code ready to be published |
| 20:13.05 | france_ | pb_: I got a new e-mail from dc, fixing his address, but he requested that the bugs assigned to him be reassigned. |
| 20:13.19 | Philippe | jurop88, I'll tell you. :-) |
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| 20:13.30 | pb_ | france: okay, cool |
| 20:14.22 | _law_ | pb_ xserver bug or configuration problem? |
| 20:14.43 | france_ | pb_: hmm, packages.debian.org is up, but the location of the arm arch is now a mystery. (ftp.handhelds.org is about to be transfered, should we setup a debian arm mirror.) |
| 20:15.04 | pb_ | _law_: dunno |
| 20:15.27 | pb_ | france: hm, I don't know either. I guess #debian-arm would be the place to ask. |
| 20:16.04 | france_ | pb_: found (just being lazy, as you are handy. |
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| 20:19.53 | _law_ | so i (we) need to find a x11 guru with an collie |
| 20:24.18 | _law_ | n8 all |
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| 20:26.08 | jurop88 | sorry, back again |
| 20:26.14 | jurop88 | phone... |
| 20:26.28 | jurop88 | about the timesheet... |
| 20:27.12 | jurop88 | I have some ideas ti discuss |
| 20:27.18 | jurop88 | s/ti/to |
| 20:27.25 | jurop88 | the first... |
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| 20:27.39 | jurop88 | I made a dialog in which we can modify existing logs |
| 20:27.43 | jurop88 | BUT |
| 20:27.56 | jurop88 | logs are not registered with an unique ID |
| 20:28.15 | jurop88 | so, after modifying, we cannot determine which one was the log... |
| 20:28.47 | jurop88 | could we change something on the database? ex, adding a ID column? |
| 20:28.59 | jurop88 | and then, how match the new format with the old? |
| 20:29.07 | jurop88 | So, this genre of questions! |
| 20:31.07 | reenoo | pb_: any suggestion for a simple binary locales test case? busybox output remains the same despite LC_ALL being set... |
| 20:33.55 | pb_ | dunno. any gpe application, I suppose. |
| 20:34.10 | pb_ | I don't think busybox has any translation support. |
| 20:45.00 | reenoo | yay |
| 20:45.11 | reenoo | date string are german in gpe-calendar |
| 20:45.15 | reenoo | strings even |
| 20:46.21 | Philippe | jurop88, sorry I was gone for a sec |
| 20:47.27 | Philippe | hmm, adding the extra ID might not be too hard. Backwards compatibility might be a more serious problem, unless we ignore the ID field if there is none... |
| 20:47.45 | Philippe | We will have to make those entries non-modifiable then. |
| 20:48.05 | pb_ | reenoo: very good |
| 20:48.47 | pb_ | reenoo: (using a german locale, presumably) |
| 20:49.04 | reenoo | pb_: yeah, de_DE |
| 20:49.27 | pb_ | right, that's about as german as they come |
| 20:53.05 | reenoo | another showstopper fixed :) |
| 20:53.08 | polyonymous | speaking of locales,I think we lack ru_RU.utf8 (not that it gpe-related, but gpe suffer from it) |
| 20:53.57 | jurop88 | Philippe:good idea |
| 20:54.29 | Philippe | jurop88, |
| 20:54.31 | jurop88 | so I'll go ahead adding an ID, and if the ID is not present the dialog should only allow the 'OPS forgot to stop!' option |
| 20:54.36 | jurop88 | tell me |
| 20:54.37 | Philippe | i think that should not be too hard :-) |
| 20:54.56 | Philippe | jurop88, well only for entries not having the ID. |
| 20:55.05 | Philippe | New entries could use it. |
| 20:55.24 | jurop88 | yes, it was only a matter to have the right idea how to afford it |
| 20:55.50 | jurop88 | I'll go ahead, so when you'll end to look at this code, you'll find other code ready :-) |
| 20:56.15 | jurop88 | the other idea was on how to connect timesheet with todos |
| 20:56.39 | jurop88 | again, it's a matter of adding a column in the tasks table |
| 20:57.12 | jurop88 | I have not been able to find better ideas than having a 'todo id' |
| 20:57.34 | jurop88 | this time backwards compatibility should not be a problem |
| 20:58.50 | Philippe | jurop88, I almost finished looking trough it. But after today I will only do so much work... 11hours of coding and 2 hours of Finnish course have kind of numbed my brain for today |
| 21:14.40 | jurop88 | Philippe: dont' bother, I already read about your day and asked myself how it could have been possible you to read some other code today... |
| 21:14.55 | jurop88 | we'll have other discussions next days! |
| 21:18.50 | Philippe | jurop88, no problem :-) |
| 21:20.13 | jurop88 | florian:ping |
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| 21:31.16 | mimecar | evening |
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| 22:40.43 | florian | re |
| 22:40.53 | florian | jurop88: i'm back |
| 22:43.08 | Philippe | nighty all |
| 22:43.14 | koen | 'night Philippe |
| 22:43.25 | Philippe | thanks koen |
| 22:45.53 | florian | Philippe: night |
| 23:04.28 | florian | koen|sleep: good night |
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| 23:04.53 | florian | hrm.. looks like i don't have the link to law_'s gpe-conf stuff here :-/ |
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| 23:24.00 | florian | moray: What do you think is better - shipping the upstream debian packageing stuff in the release tarballs or no packaging at all? |
| 23:25.41 | moray | florian: none |
| 23:25.56 | florian | moray: okay |
| 23:26.13 | moray | florian: different Debian revisions should be able to update the debian/ directory in the diff.gz without changing the orig.tar.gz, without a big patch to remove an existing debian/ |
| 23:26.50 | moray | florian: (and people expect the diff.gz to contain the whole debian/ directory) |
| 23:27.04 | florian | moray: hmm yes, that's true... |
| 23:29.17 | florian | moray: i just fixed gpe-contacts and gpe-todo |
| 23:32.05 | moray | florian: ok - there's not that much point doing new releases for this, it should just be fixed for the real new releases |
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| 23:34.30 | florian | moray: okay... that saves me quite some work :-) |
| 23:34.36 | florian | hi TyggerBob |
| 23:34.56 | TyggerBob | Hi florian |
| 23:35.29 | TyggerBob | reenoo, thanks for the note. |
| 23:35.30 | TyggerBob | bummer.. |
| 23:36.21 | florian | oh hi abauer |
| 23:37.11 | abauer | florian: hi! |
| 23:39.52 | abauer | florian: i am currently working on a syncml library which can be used as obex server or http client. Thought the gpe project might be interested in using it |
| 23:40.10 | reenoo | TyggerBob: bummer? the jikes on arm part? |
| 23:40.14 | pigeon | universal sponsor? |
| 23:41.16 | florian | abauer: that's true... this might be pretty interesting. |
| 23:41.34 | florian | btw |
| 23:41.55 | florian | reenoo, pb_: Good job with this localegen issue... |
| 23:42.56 | florian | pigeon: Maybe not that correct English... someone just sponsoring everything as long it is a good open source projec.t |
| 23:43.22 | pigeon | hmm |
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