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| 01:53.50 | france | emte: sorry folks, had a busy few days... answering now... |
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| 11:07.18 | yansa | who |
| 11:07.24 | yansa | list |
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| 11:32.44 | pb_ | dc__: morning |
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| 11:45.53 | koen | hey Philippe |
| 11:46.25 | Philippe | hi koen |
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| 12:09.11 | Piete | Hey guys, I was just wondering if it's possible to specify the install destination with GPE package manager? (Running OZ 3.5.3) |
| 12:10.54 | dc__ | mornign |
| 12:11.04 | koen | hey dc__ |
| 12:11.15 | dc__ | mini mac is in HK |
| 12:11.18 | dc__ | almost here :D |
| 12:16.55 | pb_ | crumbs, where's it coming from? |
| 12:17.15 | dc__ | Shenzhen i sseems |
| 12:18.43 | pb_ | oh right, funky |
| 12:21.09 | dc__ | yeh |
| 12:34.28 | reenoo | pb_: handhelds.org/~rw/glibc-qemu-rw.patch |
| 12:34.49 | reenoo | pb_: works apart from localedef bailing out parsing some of the charmaps |
| 12:35.38 | pb_ | reenoo: awesome! |
| 12:35.47 | koen | reenoo: yay! |
| 12:36.59 | pb_ | what's the charmap parsing error that you get? |
| 12:37.13 | reenoo | "premature end of file" |
| 12:37.14 | pb_ | I never managed to make localedef do much of anything at all, it always seemed to crash qemu for me |
| 12:37.44 | reenoo | the odd thing is, I can't reproduce the error if I run the very same command manually |
| 12:37.46 | pb_ | hm, that's a bit odd |
| 12:38.13 | koen | reenoo: different ENV vars? |
| 12:40.36 | reenoo | unlikely, although possible |
| 12:43.38 | pb_ | yeah, that's a possibility |
| 12:44.18 | Piete | Sorry for asking again, but I can't seem to find a way to tell the package manager 'where' to install apps? (ie. SD card, or whateveR) |
| 12:44.27 | pb_ | one way to find out would be to put the qemu invocation in a separate shell task and invoke it through bb.build.exec_func(). That way you could inspect the run.do_xx script to see the environment, and try invoking that script manually. |
| 12:44.43 | reenoo | pb_: well, os.system() doesn't change the environment unless you tell it to. and the only thing I pass in is PATH. |
| 12:44.44 | pb_ | Piete: if you didn't get an answer the first time, it probably means that nobody knows. |
| 12:45.05 | pb_ | reenoo: right, but bitbake itself might be changing the environment in some bizarre way |
| 12:45.18 | pb_ | hard to imagine why it would, but who knows what might be lurking in some obscure corner of the oe classes |
| 12:45.40 | reenoo | hmm |
| 12:46.04 | Piete | pb_ well, since this is the gpe channel, I assume it's full of people who use GPE. I highly suspect that people who use GPE like to install apps on their devices, hence, they must use the package manager... Surely someone must know? |
| 12:46.50 | pb_ | Piete: heh. actually, I suspect that nobody in this channel uses the gpe package manager. |
| 12:47.17 | Piete | pb_ alright then, is there anyone one, or should I just stick with using ipkg directly, as I've been doing.. |
| 12:47.26 | Piete | anyone > another one |
| 12:47.27 | pb_ | I think you should probably stick with using ipkg directly. |
| 12:47.35 | Piete | cheers :) |
| 12:47.54 | pb_ | or you might ask florian if he appears. I think he knows about the gpe package manager. |
| 12:48.18 | Piete | Okie, thanks for the help "_ |
| 12:55.19 | reenoo | the environment is identical apart from PS1, PWD, OLDPWD, and SHLVL (whatever that may be) |
| 12:58.55 | reenoo | ah, SHLVL is incremented every time a bash is started. should be just as harmless as the others |
| 12:59.18 | reenoo | hrm |
| 13:00.54 | reenoo | by someone claiming to be info at kernelconcepts anyway |
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| 13:05.11 | pb_ | doh |
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| 13:37.58 | reenoo | hmm |
| 13:38.12 | reenoo | unzipping the charmaps does the trick to some extent |
| 13:42.23 | reenoo | bleh |
| 13:42.28 | reenoo | ... --charmap=UTF-8 sid_ET |
| 13:42.28 | reenoo | LC_ADDRESS: `lang_lib' value does not match `lang_term' value |
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| 17:15.57 | koen | hey florian |
| 17:16.07 | florian | hi all |
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| 17:24.01 | law_ | hi florian |
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| 18:02.40 | TyggerBob | 'lo all |
| 18:02.47 | TyggerBob | florian, you around? |
| 18:03.07 | koen | hey TyggerBob |
| 18:03.12 | TyggerBob | Heya Koen.. |
| 18:03.14 | TyggerBob | LTNS |
| 18:03.22 | TyggerBob | things have been pretty crazy around here.. |
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| 18:03.44 | dan2003 | in #gpsdrive |
| 18:04.07 | TyggerBob | the company I work for was bought, and we've got a whole bunch new work contracts because of it |
| 18:04.31 | koen | that's kind of positive |
| 18:04.35 | TyggerBob | quite |
| 18:04.36 | koen | they could have fired you all |
| 18:04.39 | TyggerBob | nah... |
| 18:04.41 | leoncamel | hi, florian |
| 18:04.51 | TyggerBob | the acquisition was contingent on keep us |
| 18:05.01 | TyggerBob | besides, it was the poeple and practices that they wanted.. |
| 18:05.14 | koen | TyggerBob: I saw a cute toy you could use |
| 18:05.19 | TyggerBob | what's that? |
| 18:05.40 | koen | TyggerBob: http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS3777679296.html |
| 18:06.23 | koen | TyggerBob: the cpu has 10 microengines which can do wire speed (1Gb/s) traffic manipulation |
| 18:06.32 | koen | on all 10 gbit ports |
| 18:06.57 | TyggerBob | Cool |
| 18:07.01 | florian | hey TyggerBob |
| 18:07.15 | florian | hi leoncamel |
| 18:07.29 | TyggerBob | Hey florian.. any news on your little one? I had a reminder set for tomorrow as the due date.. thought I'd check in |
| 18:08.05 | florian | TyggerBob: He was a little bit early... is almost three weeks old now. :-) |
| 18:08.21 | TyggerBob | VERY COOL. |
| 18:08.30 | TyggerBob | Mom and baby doing well, I hope? |
| 18:08.40 | TyggerBob | And dad's a bit tired? |
| 18:08.42 | TyggerBob | :) |
| 18:09.22 | TyggerBob | Darn.. I missed the virtual cigars! |
| 18:10.06 | florian | TyggerBob: you got it... add mom and Jonas (that's his name) to the list of tired people :-) |
| 18:10.22 | TyggerBob | hehehe.. yep.. I remember those days.. |
| 18:10.30 | TyggerBob | so glad to hear all is well.. |
| 18:10.41 | koen | later all |
| 18:10.42 | TyggerBob | Congrats to you and yours... |
| 18:10.44 | polyonymous | Add everyone to the list! ;-) |
| 18:10.51 | TyggerBob | take care, koen|away |
| 18:11.19 | florian | s/herder/harder |
| 18:11.55 | TyggerBob | florian, I signed with an online university here in Canada to do my Bachelors in Computer Science.. |
| 18:12.00 | TyggerBob | start my first course in April |
| 18:12.08 | TyggerBob | yeah.. |
| 18:12.18 | TyggerBob | harder to take care of the second with the first running around... |
| 18:12.26 | TyggerBob | depends on how far apart they are |
| 18:13.01 | TyggerBob | you don't get as many opportunities to rest the second time around |
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| 18:13.08 | florian | TyggerBob: thanks! |
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| 18:13.46 | Arthur | florian, could we talk about that sdk image here, please? |
| 18:16.53 | TyggerBob | Well I need to get back to my own squirts.. |
| 18:17.11 | TyggerBob | just wanted to check in with you and see whether/how it was going.. :) |
| 18:17.21 | TyggerBob | once again.. glad all is well and congrats.. |
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| 18:20.37 | florian | oops |
| 18:20.42 | florian | TyggerBob: that reminds me to my own studies :-/ |
| 18:20.58 | florian | my internet connnection seems to suffer from packet loss |
| 18:21.01 | florian | Arthur: sure |
| 18:21.15 | Arthur | that image is a rootfs one? |
| 18:21.21 | Arthur | What does it have for development? |
| 18:22.00 | florian | Arthur: No - this is a cross toolchain to be installed on a PC. |
| 18:22.49 | florian | Arthur: It contains a crosscompiler, binutils and libraries. |
| 18:26.20 | Arthur | but it is parallel to OE? |
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| 18:41.54 | Arthur | florian, does it have tools for all the platforms supported by oe? |
| 18:42.11 | florian | Arthur: this is built with oe, you can use this for application devenopment or if you want to built packages without using oe. |
| 18:42.56 | Arthur | oh, but why someone would use this if we have oe? |
| 18:44.08 | emte | Arthur, OE keeps changing, sometimes you need an old snapshot to build what you want/need |
| 18:45.01 | reenoo | emte: the sdk is not a snapshot |
| 18:45.51 | emte | bad me |
| 18:46.03 | Arthur | but, if I'm not wrong, OE changes to provide newer packages, isn't it? |
| 18:46.27 | pb_ | yes, it does. however, some people prefer not to use OE, and the SDK provides a way for those folks to build stuff with the same compiler. |
| 18:46.54 | Arthur | ok... |
| 18:46.57 | Arthur | thank you. |
| 18:46.59 | pb_ | if you're happy using OE to build everything, that's great, you can continue to do so and disregard the sdk. |
| 18:47.08 | Arthur | ok. |
| 18:47.10 | Arthur | what do you use? |
| 18:47.25 | pb_ | oe, generally, though right now I don't really use anything. |
| 18:48.03 | emte | pb_, arnt you still monitoring all the tinderbox builds? |
| 18:48.06 | Arthur | I see. Could you tell me if any package I install for any platform with OE is built into a ipk file? |
| 18:48.14 | pb_ | emte: I never was. |
| 18:48.33 | pb_ | Arthur: I don't understand the question. |
| 18:49.10 | Arthur | If I run bitbake nano which will be the result of it? |
| 18:49.17 | Arthur | a nano.tar.gz package? |
| 18:49.19 | polyonymous | tmp/deploy/ipk ? |
| 18:49.26 | pb_ | it depends how you have configured oe. |
| 18:49.41 | pb_ | if you are using familiar as your DISTRO, you would get an .ipk package. |
| 18:50.03 | Arthur | And if I use Collie (is it for Zaurus?)? |
| 18:50.26 | pb_ | Collie isn't a useful DISTRO setting. |
| 18:50.38 | polyonymous | grep DISTRO conf/local.conf ? |
| 18:50.43 | pb_ | I'm not sure exactly what would happen if you tried to set that; you probably just wouldn't get any packages. |
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| 18:50.53 | florian | *gnaa* |
| 18:50.58 | pb_ | florian: wb |
| 18:51.20 | florian | This time a fuse blew... |
| 18:51.27 | reenoo | heh |
| 18:51.58 | pb_ | florian: crumbs |
| 18:52.17 | pb_ | sounds like you should stop overclocking. |
| 18:52.24 | florian | hehe |
| 18:52.49 | Arthur | pb_, what I would like to know is which type of output files are available. For Familiar the only output type is .ipk ? |
| 18:53.14 | pb_ | yes |
| 18:53.28 | pb_ | I'm not sure what other types of output are available. I guess you should look in the classes directory. |
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| 18:57.56 | Arthur | thanks. |
| 19:03.15 | Arthur | I've booted a gpe image for ipaq 2200 and most of things were going perfectly. |
| 19:03.30 | Arthur | I've run ipkg update && ipkg upgrade... |
| 19:04.12 | Arthur | after that, on another reboot, the power button didn't suspend (just resumed), the iTask button didn't open any program, not the mail button. |
| 19:04.16 | Arthur | What could this be? |
| 19:04.51 | Arthur | Oh, an arrow pointer to the stylus also appeared |
| 19:07.40 | polyonymous | Hmm.. after I installed a few ipkgs I can't login anymore ;-) |
| 19:09.20 | polyonymous | Ah, it happened to create .keylaunchrc |
| 19:09.29 | Arthur | what/ |
| 19:09.29 | Arthur | ? |
| 19:09.35 | polyonymous | nevermind |
| 19:09.37 | Arthur | should I create this file? |
| 19:09.48 | polyonymous | no, no, no that wasn't about you |
| 19:10.09 | Arthur | so I shouldn't upgrade the system, huh? |
| 19:10.22 | polyonymous | I don't know your answers, Arthur |
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| 19:36.45 | mimecar | hi |
| 19:45.31 | pb_ | hi mimecar |
| 19:47.02 | mimecar | hi pb_ |
| 20:20.30 | _law_ | n8 all |
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| 20:34.11 | polyonymous | can gpe autorotate screen? |
| 20:37.47 | florian | what do you mean by "auto" |
| 20:38.09 | polyonymous | when I turn the screen (on borzoi) |
| 20:56.57 | florian | not sure, zaurusd might be able to do this... |
| 20:57.01 | florian | RP might know |
| 20:58.44 | france | florian: hi |
| 21:03.20 | florian | france: just composing an answer... |
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| 21:31.31 | france | florian: :-) |
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| 21:41.41 | lamikr | hi florian |
| 21:42.45 | florian | hi lamikr |
| 21:42.57 | polyonymous | thank you, florian (for your answer ages ago:)) |
| 21:43.06 | florian | polyonymous: yw |
| 21:43.27 | polyonymous | How about keyboard layout switcher? Or is it done plain xkb way? |
| 21:44.39 | lamikr | How is your babys, yours and your wifes nights going, enought sleeping? |
| 21:46.13 | florian | lamikr: It could be more, but we are fine :-) |
| 21:47.33 | lamikr | florian: Yes, and it last only about 18 years :-) |
| 21:47.41 | Philippe | hi lamikr |
| 21:47.58 | lamikr | Hi philippe |
| 21:48.19 | lamikr | Philippe: You are in tampere? |
| 21:48.31 | Philippe | atm yes.. |
| 21:48.42 | Philippe | tomorrow to Helsinki for work... need to get up early :-( |
| 21:50.56 | lamikr | Philippe: You are going by train? |
| 21:51.23 | Philippe | yes. That is the easiest. No problems with snow, darkness, and finding a parking place |
| 21:51.53 | Philippe | I should go by car one of these days though so that I can stop at the Ikea to get me some shelves. |
| 21:52.22 | lamikr | You have a car? |
| 21:52.39 | florian | lamikr: heh |
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| 21:54.46 | lamikr | florian: Seriously, our baby had sleeping problems for first too months but then he realized that it is not fun to cry during the night time. So do not worry :-) |
| 21:54.49 | Philippe | lamikr, yes. I brought my old trusty Astra from Belgium |
| 21:55.21 | Philippe | Really useful when I go back in summer. I can take lots of beer with me on the way back :-) |
| 21:56.26 | Philippe | ANd strangely enough, having a car is cheaper here than in Belgium. (buying is a lot more expensive though. prices are about 25% higher) |
| 21:56.36 | lamikr | Philippe: I already miss some of them. Actually I should have brought some of them with me. |
| 21:57.02 | Philippe | lamikr, :-) Seems you enjoyed Belgium... |
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| 21:58.34 | lamikr | Philippe: Yes, but after joining to eu, the car prices have dropped down maybe 10-20 % because that is the only way to prevent all people from findland to rush buying little used cars to Finland from germany,etc where prices are much better. |
| 21:59.16 | Philippe | lamikr, I was comparing the current situation... |
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| 21:59.50 | florian | ~lart t-com |
| 22:00.12 | polyonymous | florian, disconnects every 24 hours? |
| 22:00.42 | florian | polyonymous: today its more every single hour :-/ |
| 22:01.02 | lamikr | Philippe: Yes, I know. What costs for keeping the car in Belgium most. Gas, or do you have some tax that needs to be paid in every year? |
| 22:01.02 | polyonymous | Ouch. |
| 22:01.31 | polyonymous | I can't stand every 24 hours disconnections. And recently pppd seems to not notice it, it just stops working... |
| 22:01.43 | polyonymous | Gotta kill it as a cronjob, I think. |
| 22:01.55 | Philippe | lamikr, of course you have the normal maintainence stuff, gas etc.. Then we have yearly roadtax and insurance... |
| 22:02.13 | Philippe | my insurance is now lower and I pay 60euro's less yearly tax... |
| 22:02.34 | polyonymous | anyway, bath time now ;) |
| 22:02.52 | Philippe | And I drive a lot less also... I barley drove in 5 months what I did in a week in Belgium |
| 22:03.33 | lamikr | I have insurence that would give me a new car if I would trash it and it costs me about 55 euro in a month. The year tax is I think about 200 euro. |
| 22:05.52 | Philippe | lamikr, you must have a bigger car than I do :-) I have 127 euro for the yearly tax |
| 22:06.49 | lamikr | Philippe: Well, not too big and powerfull. I have peugeot 306 with 1.6 liter motor. |
| 22:08.15 | Philippe | lamikr, liter is correct :-) I "only" have a 1.4 and my car is 10 years old... |
| 22:08.45 | lamikr | Philippe: And I might have forget the tax price... It is almost year than I have paid it last time... So the new penalty should come soon :-( |
| 22:09.44 | lamikr | Philippe: Do you have electricity where to put your car for warming before you start it in the mornings? |
| 22:10.25 | Philippe | yes I have. It is even covered! So no need to brush the snow off :-) |
| 22:11.57 | florian | uh, luxury ;-) |
| 22:13.53 | Philippe | indeed... I am a lucky bastard... |
| 22:16.44 | lamikr | Philippe: That's really good. Car experts say that starting and driving the first 1-3 kilometers with a car in Winter time without warming the motor first with electricity is for the motor same thing than driving normally about 700 kilometers. |
| 22:18.23 | Philippe | lamikr, so I heard :-) |
| 22:18.53 | Philippe | and it starts a lot easier also... |
| 22:19.11 | lamikr | Philippe: Yes, and it exactly 700 kilometers, not something like 693.774 ;-) |
| 22:21.02 | Philippe | ouch... less than 7hours left before I need to get up again :-( |
| 22:21.08 | JAV | then I can run for 1600Km with a fuel tank (700+900) :) |
| 22:21.35 | JAV | well, my car, not me |
| 22:21.52 | lamikr | JAV: What a nice way to lower the gas consume :-) |
| 22:21.52 | Philippe | JAV :-) |
| 22:22.56 | lamikr | Philippe: Have you noticed the fosdem embedded videos? |
| 22:23.21 | Philippe | lamikr, yes. Haven't watched them though :-) |
| 22:23.35 | Philippe | I am getting all the presentations together now. |
| 22:24.05 | Philippe | I already have 8 of them |
| 22:24.16 | lamikr | Well, I watched the end of the "power management" session. What was the name of the man who joined in the second half of that session? |
| 22:24.51 | Philippe | David Weinehall (if you are talking about the small beardy one with a debian t-shirt) |
| 22:25.19 | JAV | are fosdem videos already online? |
| 22:25.40 | Philippe | Otherwise the weird guy with the laptop, was Matthew Garrett |
| 22:25.54 | Philippe | JAV, http://free-electrons.com/community/videos/conferences/en |
| 22:26.00 | Philippe | only for the embedded track. |
| 22:26.05 | lamikr | No, there was some third one who came from audience. I needed to rush via hotel to the airboard before that session ended. |
| 22:26.14 | JAV | perfect! thanks :D |
| 22:26.26 | Philippe | the third one was Matthew |
| 22:26.51 | lamikr | JAV: and free electrons site has link for even more sessions |
| 22:27.36 | lamikr | Ok, I do not know him. |
| 22:28.08 | Philippe | lamikr, he is one of the debian UK guys |
| 22:28.24 | Philippe | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.45 | lamikr | Philippe: Ok, thanks for the info. I was also watching the last "ubuntu" session because Liam said in email that it was cool. Liam won from the lottery, so of course it was cool for him :-) |
| 22:31.39 | Philippe | lamikr, indeed I heard :-) |
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| 22:32.23 | mimecar | hi |
| 22:32.25 | florian | re |
| 22:32.27 | florian | hrm |
| 22:32.34 | lamikr | It is quite late. I need now to finish one patch and then go to sleep... But seeyou tomorrow or... |
| 22:32.48 | florian | lamikr: good night |
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| 22:35.06 | lamikr | florian:good night |
| 22:35.39 | Philippe | night all |
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| 22:38.32 | reenoo | hey florian |
| 22:38.42 | florian | Philippe: good night |
| 22:38.47 | florian | hi reenoo |
| 22:39.36 | reenoo | florian: pb_ and me have written a patch to fix #1385 |
| 22:39.57 | reenoo | florian: we can now generate binary locales at build time |
| 22:40.18 | florian | reenoo: YAY! that's really good news! |
| 22:53.32 | reenoo | florian: indeed. pretty much the last long standing infrastructure/build system limitation |
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| 23:09.43 | reenoo | ~lart typos |
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| 23:12.10 | reenoo | pb_: is there any particular reason why ALLOW_EMPTY isn't set for locale-base-* in the "use_bin" case? |
| 23:12.49 | pb_ | reenoo: no, probably just an oversight |
| 23:12.59 | reenoo | pb_: ok, fixed |
| 23:13.04 | pb_ | excellent |
| 23:13.09 | pb_ | night all |
| 23:13.14 | reenoo | 'night pb_ |
| 23:13.39 | jaxson | Night all. Keep the good work going |
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| 23:16.51 | RP | polyonymous: zaurusd does support auto screen rotation. It needs the 2.6 kernel though (see chkhinge for 2.4) |
| 23:17.51 | florian | re |
| 23:18.54 | reenoo | florian: wb |
| 23:23.30 | polyonymous | RP, Thank you, I'll see into it once I get out of chroot again ;-) |
| 23:50.58 | reenoo | 'night all |
| 23:51.05 | polyonymous | sleep well |
| 23:51.14 | florian | reenoo|zZzZ: good night |