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| 00:44.32 | france | pb_: hi |
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| 08:31.13 | _law_ | koen, you are right pwlib doesnt build very easy :-) |
| 08:31.58 | koen | :) |
| 08:36.10 | _law_ | koen, error in channel.h is easy to fix :-) redname seek_dir to seekdir |
| 08:37.54 | _law_ | same in pstring.h |
| 08:38.53 | koen | the most stupid thing is that the resulting package needs to be called ptlib according to debian... |
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| 08:39.46 | koen | libpt even |
| 08:39.50 | pigeon | hmm, what should i look into when i get kernel: Alignment trap... PC=... Instr=... Address=... with a program? |
| 08:40.12 | koen | see http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/source/pwlib |
| 08:40.35 | koen | pigeon: unaligned structs and suchs |
| 08:42.10 | pigeon | hmm |
| 08:42.20 | jurop88 | hi everybody |
| 08:53.53 | _law_ | koen, but ekiga would be a nice app :-) |
| 08:54.01 | koen | indeed |
| 08:54.03 | koen | hey jurop88 |
| 08:56.57 | XorA | morning |
| 08:57.30 | koen | hey XorA |
| 08:58.43 | pb_ | pigeon: the easiest thing would be to run it in the debugger with alignment traps set to generate SIGBUS. |
| 08:59.02 | pb_ | alternatively, take the PC value from the kernel message and use addr2line to translate it into a source code reference. |
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| 09:07.15 | trucmuch | hi |
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| 09:10.24 | trucmuch | can anybody help with dates pb between mozilla-calendar and gpe-calendar when I add an event on the gpe-calendar |
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| 09:38.36 | XorA | koen: did you see yesterday I added fbpanel btw? |
| 09:39.14 | koen | XorA: I noticed |
| 09:39.28 | koen | does it parse .desktop files for the menu? |
| 09:39.48 | XorA | koen: not as far as I can see, and its code is terrible, only matched by its even worse makefile |
| 09:40.04 | koen | that's what I suspected |
| 09:40.30 | XorA | a gpeisation I would suspect would turn into a re-write |
| 09:40.33 | koen | OTOH the menu and mb-desktop do the exact same thing |
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| 09:54.36 | pigeon | koen,pb_: thanks |
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| 10:20.32 | pigeon | hmm... arm-linux-addr2line keeps giving me 0... |
| 10:22.21 | pigeon | i don't need to run addr2line on the target right? |
| 11:02.45 | pb__ | no, on the build machine is fine |
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| 11:39.17 | trucmuch | hello, can anybody help with gpe-calendar pb |
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| 12:22.41 | koen | hey florian_kc |
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| 12:29.53 | florian_kc | good morning |
| 12:31.19 | jurop88 | hi florian_kc |
| 12:31.35 | jurop88 | florian_kc:did you tested gpe-timesheet? |
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| 12:38.53 | florian_kc | jurop88: yes... pretty nice. |
| 12:39.04 | florian_kc | hi bedboi |
| 12:40.52 | florian_kc | jurop88: Looks like we need some bigger icons for the 770. |
| 12:42.05 | florian_kc | jurop88: And maybe a good idea for a compressed journal view... is the journal a GtkTreeView? |
| 12:42.56 | jurop88 | florian_kc: yes, with a GtkTreeList behind. I thought many improvements... |
| 12:43.12 | jurop88 | florian_kc: I cleaned the code and now I am ready to go on... |
| 12:43.25 | jurop88 | florian_kc: but first I'd like to hear Philippe opinion! |
| 12:44.17 | florian_kc | jurop88: okay, good... is he back from fosdem? |
| 12:46.01 | jurop88 | florian_kc: I don't know... I was away for my job last ten days around Italy... |
| 12:46.47 | jurop88 | florian_kc: in a standard GPE environment the journal has a separate window |
| 12:47.15 | jurop88 | florian_kc: and you can switch from task to journal view |
| 12:47.28 | jurop88 | florian_kc: what do you think about sub-tasks? |
| 12:47.43 | jurop88 | florian_kc: I implemented the code for them and now it works... |
| 12:47.57 | jurop88 | florian_kc: my idea was to integrate tasks with todo list... |
| 12:48.08 | jurop88 | florian_kc: and create subtasks under todo items... |
| 12:48.22 | jurop88 | florian_kc: in order to keep track of the time used in todo projects... |
| 12:48.40 | jurop88 | florian_kc: so to be able to use timesheet also as a diary. |
| 12:48.58 | jurop88 | The other thing I planned is the chanche to edit journal's items |
| 12:49.27 | jurop88 | florian_kc: it will solve the -OPS forgot to stop- feature... |
| 12:49.44 | jurop88 | florian_kc: but also permits a later registration of time! |
| 12:49.52 | jurop88 | florian_kc: your opinion? |
| 12:52.06 | trucmuch | hello, can anybody help with gpe-calendar pb syncing with mozilla-calendar |
| 12:52.48 | jurop88 | see you all later |
| 12:54.37 | florian_kc | jurop88: yes, that sounds pretty good. |
| 12:54.57 | florian_kc | trucmuch: i hope so... |
| 12:56.10 | trucmuch | when I add a date into gpe-calendar then it appears 15 Nov -1 under mozilla-calendar, any idea |
| 12:57.10 | florian_kc | jurop88: maybe we can have a summary in the main window and the full journal in a separate window or tab. |
| 12:57.37 | florian_kc | trucmuch: how do you sync the data? |
| 13:01.48 | trucmuch | with multisync 0.82 an gpe plugin and a mozilla calendar plugin |
| 13:04.23 | florian_kc | Ah, that's somthing i never tried... |
| 13:04.51 | trucmuch | is there an other way to sync with mozilla calendar |
| 13:06.37 | florian_kc | trucmuch: i'm not sure about mozilla-calendar, but the quality of the gpe opensync plugin should be much better. |
| 13:09.02 | trucmuch | the thing is I need to sync with moz-cal. you mean version 0.9 of opensync |
| 13:10.19 | trucmuch | will I be able to get my moz-cal plugin work with opensync. I grab it into the web and it is a .deb I don't have the source |
| 13:10.31 | florian_kc | Yes something like this... the latest release already includes the gpe plugin. |
| 13:11.01 | trucmuch | ok I'm going to try .... thanks |
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| 13:13.22 | florian_kc | trucmuch: yw |
| 13:13.51 | trucmuch | sorry , what do you mean |
| 13:14.21 | trucmuch | you are welcom .... I'm stupid |
| 13:15.47 | trucmuch | is there a way to add a plugin I have under multisync 0.82 into opensync 0.90 ? |
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| 14:10.08 | florian_kc | trucmuch: i don't think so |
| 14:11.24 | trucmuch | so do you know where I can find sources .... or is there a better way to sync with mozilla-calendar or sunbird |
| 14:12.28 | florian_kc | I didn't even know about that plugin... |
| 14:13.05 | trucmuch | ah .... and the other thing |
| 14:14.10 | trucmuch | I really want to keep gpe into my oz collie system, but I olso need to sync my calendar |
| 14:14.18 | florian_kc | Not that i'm aware of... but defintely desirable. |
| 14:15.24 | koen | iirc sunbird needs a IPC system to sync with opensync |
| 14:15.34 | koen | armin hasn't gotten around to implement it for 0.90 |
| 14:18.34 | trucmuch | sniff |
| 14:19.50 | koen | trucmuch: most of the times he just needs testers, so you could send my a mail: armin.bauer@desscon.com |
| 14:22.37 | trucmuch | ok ... I really be please to test a syncing process between moz-cal and gpe-calendar |
| 14:28.02 | trucmuch | koen: what sort of email |
| 14:29.36 | koen | "hello, I want to test syncing to sunbird, do you have any hints?" |
| 14:29.40 | koen | something like that |
| 14:30.19 | trucmuch | ok thanks |
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| 14:39.38 | florian_kc | hi france_ |
| 14:39.47 | france_ | florian_kc: hi |
| 14:55.56 | trucmuch | bye |
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| 15:39.53 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 15:41.32 | florian_kc | hi CoreDump|install |
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| 16:47.47 | Philippe | hello all |
| 16:48.22 | Philippe | jurop88, send me the patch! |
| 16:49.21 | florian_kc | hi Philippe |
| 16:49.49 | Philippe | hey florian_kc |
| 16:50.51 | Philippe | florian_kc, is there already some draft about that HAL layer that I noticed on linuxdevices? |
| 16:55.03 | florian_kc | Philippe: not yet... i just hope for some time to write down the current ideas. |
| 16:55.59 | koen | we had a discussion on #oe about it this afternoon |
| 16:57.07 | florian_kc | koen: ah, any interesting results? |
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| 16:57.53 | koen | florian_kc: either RP will add dbus support to devmand or mallum will strip down hal |
| 16:59.10 | RP | koen: or RP will strip down hal... |
| 17:02.02 | Philippe | koen|food, sounds pretty much okay... |
| 17:02.44 | Philippe | Anyway I have some random ideas atm, related to power management also. well I'll see if I can write something down |
| 17:04.38 | florian_kc | RP: Will HAL fit all our needs for power management and kernel support? |
| 17:05.02 | florian_kc | Philippe: that would be pretty interesting... |
| 17:05.49 | RP | florian_kc: What would you define those needs to be? |
| 17:05.59 | florian_kc | koen|food: what is devmand? |
| 17:06.05 | Philippe | florian_kc, I'll try to have some basic draft one of these days |
| 17:06.19 | RP | florian_kc: What I'd like zaurusd to have been |
| 17:07.53 | florian_kc | RP: e.g. the fact that you shouldn't constantly poll some stuff on a battery driven device. it needs to work with 2.4 and 2.6... |
| 17:07.57 | florian_kc | RP: ah |
| 17:08.13 | RP | florian_kc: hal only works for > 2.6.13 |
| 17:09.20 | RP | florian_kc: I think it does properly hook into the apm daemon |
| 17:11.06 | florian_kc | RP: That would be a complete showstopper. Not only we are missing this for many devices, even many devices on the market come with older kernels and even the newer ones (e.g. 770) still ship with older kernels. |
| 17:11.39 | florian_kc | RP: well... apm is a very very small subset of things we need. |
| 17:12.33 | RP | florian_kc: the kernel version depencency (from its relience on udev) does present a problem. I'm not sure you will find people willing to support older kernels though... |
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| 17:13.07 | florian_kc | RP: I guess that was discussed before more than one time :-/ |
| 17:13.24 | RP | florian_kc: Even zaurusd is 2.6 only atm although its admittedly easier by design to make it work with older kernels |
| 17:14.47 | florian_kc | RP: What about moving the discussion to one of the mailinglists? This might help to end up in a solution everyone can live with... |
| 17:15.11 | florian_kc | I still have some hope we can share this with other projects like Opie too. |
| 17:15.18 | RP | florian_kc: Do you have a mailing list in mind? |
| 17:15.47 | RP | I'm still not sure what my feelings are on this to be honest. |
| 17:17.25 | florian_kc | RP: hmm... right, thats not as easy as i thought :-} |
| 17:17.59 | RP | We don't seem to have a generic handhelds issues mailing list :) |
| 17:18.58 | florian_kc | RP: in fact we have, but i'm not sure who is subscribed to it... |
| 17:19.26 | RP | I suspect I'm not for a start so others probably aren't either... |
| 17:19.56 | florian_kc | yeah... same here. |
| 17:23.27 | florian_kc | Well... it will affect developers from the GUI projects and maybe the distributions. So one idea would be to announce the discussion there and discuss it on the handhelds@handhelds.org mailinglist then. |
| 17:25.28 | florian_kc | maybe not the best solution, but as long as we don't want to discuss on one of the project mailinglists imho the best idea. |
| 17:28.07 | RP | Discussing it on any one projects mailing list will just cause trouble... |
| 17:32.40 | florian_kc | Yeah... but discussing on IRC will cause data loss and lacks involving all people which might be interested. |
| 17:33.27 | koen | RP: could o-hand host a (temporary) list? |
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| 17:35.36 | reenoo | evening |
| 17:35.43 | florian_kc | koen: substribe to handhelds@handhelds.org |
| 17:35.52 | florian_kc | eh subscribe |
| 17:35.55 | florian_kc | hi reenoo |
| 17:36.02 | koen | florian_kc: heh |
| 17:36.10 | koen | florian_kc: I unsubscribed last month |
| 17:36.30 | reenoo | hey florian_kc |
| 17:38.34 | RP | koen: I doubt o-hand.com could but rpsys.net can |
| 17:40.46 | pb__ | florian_kc: good afternoon |
| 17:42.26 | florian_kc | hi pb__ |
| 17:44.09 | koen | florian_kc: it's not handheld related, it's a small devicemanager |
| 17:44.44 | florian_kc | RP: Thinking about this alittle bit more i'd suggest an even more generic approach - it should be possible to port the solution to other operating systems as well. |
| 17:45.15 | RP | florian_kc: I think hal did have that in mind |
| 17:46.14 | florian_kc | koen: well... but the basic idea is to have one for handheld devices, to this would be valid. if we want a new ml then not a temporary one but just a new one intended to stay. |
| 17:46.54 | florian_kc | RP: The fact is that it doesn't even work on most of the linux platforms. |
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| 18:16.54 | law_ | florian_kc: any news with gpe-conf |
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| 18:17.54 | florian_kc | law_: not yet :-( |
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| 18:27.41 | florian_kc | bbl |
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| 20:17.37 | jurop88 | hi everybody |
| 20:17.43 | jurop88 | Philippe:ping! |
| 20:17.48 | Philippe | hello jurop88 |
| 20:18.50 | jurop88 | hi Philippe! |
| 20:19.01 | jurop88 | do you prefer a patch or the whole tree? |
| 20:19.14 | jurop88 | this time I really did a lot of confusion in the source code ;-) |
| 20:19.28 | jurop88 | splitted interface, deleted html and similar... |
| 20:19.35 | Philippe | jurop88, a patch please... |
| 20:19.41 | jurop88 | ok |
| 20:19.55 | jurop88 | the command you gave me last time do a patch on the whole tree... |
| 20:20.04 | jurop88 | ...or only on specific progs? |
| 20:20.39 | jurop88 | yes, i know RTFM, but asking is somehow... faster? |
| 20:21.43 | Philippe | I'll check it the command I wrote you last time |
| 20:21.55 | koen|tv | diff -Nurd old/ new/ ? |
| 20:22.16 | Philippe | I prefer diff -Naur old/ new/ but is does not really matter |
| 20:23.20 | jurop88 | sorry, I just came back from my working day... |
| 20:23.27 | Philippe | jurop88, no problem |
| 20:23.30 | jurop88 | still going to and from toilette ;-) |
| 20:23.32 | jurop88 | hehe |
| 20:23.46 | jurop88 | some minutes, I'll check it and send you the patch! |
| 20:24.24 | Philippe | jurop88, thanks |
| 20:24.35 | Philippe | and if everything works nicely I'll check it in. |
| 20:29.14 | jurop88 | it was diff -Naur old/ new/, I'll do it after retrieving originals from CVS |
| 20:33.25 | law_ | any ideas why escape closes rxvt on my collie? |
| 20:33.50 | law_ | its very bad on compination with vi :-) |
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| 20:34.09 | law_ | escape doesnt close rxvt on my husky |
| 20:37.37 | jurop88 | philippe:ping! |
| 20:38.03 | Philippe | yes |
| 20:38.15 | jurop88 | sorry if I am bothering you... |
| 20:38.29 | jurop88 | I added a lot of new files because I put automake & co |
| 20:38.35 | Philippe | no problem |
| 20:38.44 | Philippe | jurop88, sounds really good |
| 20:38.49 | jurop88 | now diff is complaining about some files 'no such file or directory' |
| 20:38.55 | jurop88 | what shall I do? |
| 20:39.12 | law_ | ah it also closes other apps like gpe-calendar |
| 20:39.30 | Philippe | jurop88, that can actually not happen? |
| 20:39.51 | jurop88 | the patch is 1 meg wide |
| 20:40.04 | jurop88 | it seems too much, doesn't it? |
| 20:40.27 | Philippe | jurop88, have you used a cleaned up dir? |
| 20:40.42 | Philippe | make distclean |
| 20:40.43 | jurop88 | a new one just downloaded from CVS |
| 20:41.16 | jurop88 | I suppose distclean in the testing one, is that right? |
| 20:41.26 | Philippe | jurop88, yes |
| 20:41.38 | Philippe | the old one should be the cvs one. |
| 20:42.21 | jurop88 | same error, it's the file for installing debian in maemo, gpe-timesheet.desktop |
| 20:42.46 | jurop88 | and the patch is still 1 meg wide |
| 20:42.54 | Philippe | jurop88, send me a complete tarball and I will check it myself |
| 20:42.55 | jurop88 | I'll try to doenload again the source from CVS |
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| 21:00.52 | law_ | n8 all |
| 21:05.45 | jg | pb_: exmap looks very useful. |
| 21:06.03 | jg | mallum: exmap looks very useful... |
| 21:06.04 | jurop88 | Philippe: I went for the tarball. You've got it! |
| 21:07.02 | mallum | jg: yes I think ross has used it in the past |
| 21:07.45 | Philippe | okay I have it |
| 21:08.36 | Philippe | jurop88, It will take a few days before I manage to dig through all of it |
| 21:08.47 | jurop88 | yes, of course! |
| 21:09.11 | jurop88 | I think this night I'll have some work on it, then I'll be away other four days for work |
| 21:10.56 | Philippe | jurop88, sounds good |
| 21:12.50 | jurop88 | Philippe: what do you think about the idea of integration? |
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| 21:13.06 | jurop88 | Are there other plans or is it something growing on a per-day basis? |
| 21:13.24 | jurop88 | Can I try to step this way? |
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| 21:35.33 | mimecar | evening |
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| 21:38.31 | l1nux | hi |
| 21:38.51 | mimecar | hi l1nux |
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| 21:39.58 | mimecar | hi zap |
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| 21:41.20 | mimecar | hey florian |
| 21:42.27 | florian | re |
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| 21:44.54 | Philippe | jurop88, what integration do you mean? |
| 21:58.29 | jurop88 | Philippe:integration between todos and timesheet |
| 21:58.46 | jurop88 | Philippe:I wrote you something in my mail |
| 22:21.20 | jurop88 | night everybody |
| 22:22.13 | Philippe | jurop88, oeps read over it. Seems to be a good idea |
| 22:22.16 | Philippe | jurop88, night |
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| 22:26.09 | Philippe | night all |
| 22:36.48 | florian | Philippe: good night |
| 22:36.51 | florian | hi koen |
| 22:58.04 | florian | moray: ping |
| 23:02.00 | florian | pb__: I fixed some documentation licenses today. I suppose it is ok for you if i do that for libgpewidget too, right? |
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