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| 08:53.43 | koen | good mornning all |
| 08:55.00 | _law_ | hi koen |
| 08:55.35 | koen | hey _law_ |
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| 09:13.41 | CoreDump|home | morning |
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| 09:16.47 | koen | hey bedboi |
| 09:17.30 | bedboi | hi there |
| 09:24.31 | XorA | morning |
| 09:30.12 | justalad | Hi, all! |
| 09:31.03 | justalad | Where I can see changelogs of familiar release 0.8.3 branch? |
| 09:31.58 | CoreDump|home | "I just followed koen's suggestion and switched TO the industrial theme. Abiword |
| 09:31.58 | CoreDump|home | works just fine! " |
| 09:31.59 | CoreDump|home | lol |
| 09:32.45 | CoreDump|home | isn't this the theme w/o "minimize" buttons? |
| 09:34.49 | koen | could be |
| 09:34.59 | koen | gpe-theme-industrial was a quick hack |
| 09:35.26 | XorA | all themes seem to work except clearlooks |
| 09:35.40 | justalad | what the hell! my iPAQ freezied on suspend again after some upgrades from /0.8.3/release |
| 09:43.12 | CoreDump|home | justalad: heh I just fubar'ed my flash with an upgrade as well =) |
| 09:43.32 | CoreDump|home | bash: ls: command not found |
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| 09:50.18 | koen | CoreDump|home: ipkg .159 is working pretty well |
| 09:50.51 | CoreDump|home | well, it was a .dev image so it should have been the latest and gratest ipkg |
| 09:51.25 | CoreDump|home | I guess upgrading busybox wasn't very smart on my part anyways hehe |
| 10:02.40 | _law_ | anyone tried to port bluefish? i get the following error :-( http://pastebin.com/564142 |
| 10:03.41 | koen | same here |
| 10:04.20 | _law_ | koen, bluefish would be a nice, small editor |
| 10:05.50 | rob_w|mis | hey dudes .. someone familiar with message queue `s .. i ve a problem where i need to fork another process but then this 2nd also reacts on the mq of the first |
| 10:08.00 | _law_ | koen, any ideas how i/you can fix this ? |
| 10:08.49 | koen | edit configure.ac or add more entries to the site file |
| 10:11.37 | justalad | Where is the most fresh familiar 0.8.3 install images for hx4700? |
| 10:12.30 | justalad | There is? http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.3/install/files/ipaq-pxa270/gpe/ |
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| 10:32.58 | Filox | hello to evetyone!!! i have an ipaq 3900, is better opie or gpe? is there a complete manual for opie or gpe? |
| 10:33.35 | CoreDump|home | well, I say try both to see which you like more |
| 10:33.55 | CoreDump|home | dunno about a manual |
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| 10:40.41 | justalad | CoreDump|home, what familiar feeds you use? |
| 10:41.07 | CoreDump|home | justalad: I don't use fam at all, I use OZ. |
| 10:41.15 | CoreDump|home | And I have compiled a local feed here |
| 10:41.26 | justalad | yep :-| |
| 10:44.50 | Filox | i can ose oz progs on opie? |
| 10:45.00 | Filox | use |
| 10:45.26 | koen | Filox: openzaurus is a distro, opie is an environment |
| 10:45.28 | hrw|work | oz on opie? |
| 10:45.43 | koen | you're asking somthing like 'can I use debian packages on kde' |
| 10:46.21 | CoreDump|home | well, the oz / fam / opie / gpe thing can be quite confusing for beginners |
| 10:46.22 | Filox | can i use oz progs on ipaq? |
| 10:46.46 | Filox | :) |
| 10:46.49 | CoreDump|home | =) |
| 10:47.04 | koen | oz will be dead soon |
| 10:47.13 | CoreDump|home | ~lart koen |
| 10:47.15 | koen | and probably familiar as well |
| 10:47.18 | CoreDump|home | s/oz/opie |
| 10:47.24 | koen | CoreDump|home: no, oz |
| 10:47.32 | CoreDump|home | angstom... |
| 10:47.33 | hrw|work | yes.. opie will be dead soon too |
| 10:47.45 | hrw|work | atleast it looks like that |
| 10:47.53 | CoreDump|home | hrw|work: indeed =( |
| 10:48.29 | Filox | why opie will be dead? |
| 10:48.31 | CoreDump|home | koen: I'm on the angstrom mailing list but still dunno what's this all about. Is there a wiki or something? |
| 10:48.39 | koen | CoreDump|home: there isn't |
| 10:48.51 | koen | CoreDump|home: hh.org still hasn't given us a project space |
| 10:48.57 | CoreDump|home | i see |
| 10:49.15 | koen | I'm tempted to look for other hosting places |
| 10:49.28 | CoreDump|home | well, if webspace is a problem, I can help with that |
| 10:49.51 | koen | webspace isn't a problem for now |
| 10:50.08 | koen | but we'll need a host + dns 'soon' |
| 10:50.21 | CoreDump|home | right |
| 10:50.29 | hrw|work | then I will switch to windowsmobile 2007 |
| 10:50.53 | koen | hrw|work: it will have a different name by then |
| 10:50.54 | CoreDump|home | hrw|work: lol |
| 10:51.04 | hrw|work | Filox: qtopia enviroment is too limited |
| 10:51.07 | koen | like pocketmobileCE NG XP NT 45 |
| 10:51.28 | koen | vista/E 2007 |
| 10:51.29 | CoreDump|home | meh stop saying NT please |
| 10:51.30 | koen | *cough* |
| 10:51.45 | hrw|work | CoreDump|home: I currently feel that all those linuxpda distros are going into dust |
| 10:51.50 | Filox | is better opie than qtopia? |
| 10:51.53 | CoreDump|home | I had to rescue an important fileserver running an ancient NT with knoppix a few days back |
| 10:52.04 | Filox | i have seen gimp running on a gpe |
| 10:52.11 | hrw|work | CoreDump|home: oz is releasing once per year just because users pressure |
| 10:52.12 | Filox | can i run gimp from my ipaq? |
| 10:52.14 | CoreDump|home | hrw|work: I'm quite happy with OE / OZ |
| 10:52.25 | hrw|work | CoreDump|home: you are devel |
| 10:52.48 | CoreDump|home | well, OZ has come a long way in usability |
| 10:52.55 | hrw|work | CoreDump|home: why non-OE devels does not develop for OZ? because it suxx when it comes to it |
| 10:52.57 | Filox | is so different oz from familiar? |
| 10:53.14 | CoreDump|home | can't make it any easier with BB |
| 10:53.43 | CoreDump|home | most problems users have come from crappy SD / CF cards |
| 10:53.54 | CoreDump|home | or they are clueless about linux in general |
| 10:53.55 | hrw|work | CoreDump|home: we lack "task-native-development, task-native-opie-development, task-native-gpe-development" things |
| 10:54.25 | hrw|work | lack unpack-this-into-filesystem-and-build-own-apps-for-your-oz-device.tar.bz2 |
| 10:54.29 | hrw|work | etc. |
| 10:54.50 | CoreDump|home | any dev worth his salt should be able to work with BB / OE |
| 10:54.58 | CoreDump|home | it's not exactly magic |
| 10:55.00 | koen | on my slug I just did 'ipkg install openslug-native' |
| 10:55.19 | koen | then I could compile stuff and install OE on the device |
| 10:55.49 | koen | it should be as easy as that |
| 10:55.52 | CoreDump|home | but as I see it, most OZ / fam users are just that: users, not devs |
| 10:56.37 | CoreDump|home | then of course we have some forks like pdaxrom, brewing their own soup |
| 10:57.40 | hrw|work | CoreDump|home: but pdax got out-of-core-team devs |
| 10:57.54 | koen | pdax exists because people who started all the 'open<foo>' projects actually meant 'Opie<foo>' |
| 10:58.02 | hrw|work | when last time you saw app for OZ built outside of OE? |
| 10:58.05 | CoreDump|home | so has OZ, as work on OE packages benefits all distros |
| 10:58.26 | CoreDump|home | hrw|work: never, what would be the point? |
| 10:58.42 | koen | CoreDump|home: apps like rxtx |
| 10:58.51 | koen | which *can't* be crosscompiled |
| 10:58.55 | hrw|work | CoreDump|home: OZ as it is (3.5.3) is totally developer-unfriendly |
| 10:59.00 | koen | ~lart java |
| 10:59.17 | CoreDump|home | koen: ouch, I didn't know such apps exist |
| 10:59.37 | Filox | can i compile c++ apps on familiar? |
| 10:59.50 | koen | CoreDump|home: there are plenty, that's why scratchbox exists |
| 10:59.58 | CoreDump|home | hrw|work: if a non-coder like me can make it work, anyone with a clue an do it |
| 11:00.15 | koen | not everyone has a clue :( |
| 11:00.19 | CoreDump|home | koen: wasn't there an ARM cluster on HH.org somewhere? |
| 11:00.27 | koen | CoreDump|home: it's offline |
| 11:00.28 | hrw|work | Filox: you can |
| 11:00.32 | CoreDump|home | darn |
| 11:00.41 | koen | CoreDump|home: that's why I'm setting up one at the uni |
| 11:01.07 | koen | there's nothing like 60 h3870/h5450s gathering dust ;) |
| 11:01.14 | CoreDump|home | lol |
| 11:01.27 | CoreDump|home | sounds like a cool project! |
| 11:01.44 | koen | yeah, I first need to get native dev working |
| 11:01.59 | koen | but I have an arm board with a real ide connector now |
| 11:02.02 | CoreDump|home | do you plan to use NFS-mounted root? |
| 11:02.10 | CoreDump|home | sweet |
| 11:02.23 | koen | and with FPU :) |
| 11:02.58 | Filox | how can i compile c++ on ipaq with familiar? |
| 11:03.48 | CoreDump|home | NOTE: package task-hentges-gpe-1.0: completed |
| 11:03.55 | hrw|work | Filox: install g++, headers and build |
| 11:04.11 | CoreDump|home | I need a nice background for GPE |
| 11:05.25 | hrw|work | I need oz 3.5.4 release and month free of it |
| 11:05.57 | CoreDump|home | =) |
| 11:05.59 | XorA | hrw|work: every OZ release seems to cost a developer :-) |
| 11:06.37 | CoreDump|home | that's the problem when you support so many devices |
| 11:06.50 | CoreDump|home | Hentges doesn't have any such problems =) |
| 11:06.56 | koen | with so little people |
| 11:07.03 | CoreDump|home | indee |
| 11:07.05 | CoreDump|home | d |
| 11:07.09 | hrw|work | CoreDump|home: especially when users want bugs fixed when machine is needed |
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| 11:07.20 | hrw|work | ~fuck users |
| 11:07.27 | CoreDump|home | well, they have a point |
| 11:07.37 | CoreDump|home | most OZ devs are not really OZ users |
| 11:07.55 | CoreDump|home | there are some really annoying bugs which do not get fixed for a looooong time |
| 11:08.05 | hrw|work | and monotone log suxx totally |
| 11:08.08 | CoreDump|home | see locale-base postinst |
| 11:08.17 | CoreDump|home | matchbox font sizes |
| 11:08.27 | CoreDump|home | etc etc |
| 11:08.37 | hrw|work | keylauncher<>matchbox |
| 11:08.42 | CoreDump|home | right |
| 11:08.57 | hrw|work | anyone know HOW to get monotone log for ONE dir? |
| 11:09.18 | hrw|work | sort of: monotone log packages/apmd |
| 11:09.21 | CoreDump|home | hrw|work: the info page is quite "informative" heh |
| 11:09.25 | Filox | hey boys how to download from ipaq g++??? |
| 11:11.21 | hrw|work | apmd 3.2.2-r8 'OZ release' will happen |
| 11:12.47 | CoreDump|home | it looks like ipkg has some problems with +cvs-$CVSDATE packages |
| 11:13.02 | CoreDump|home | it does not put older packages into the morgue |
| 11:13.25 | CoreDump|home | say hello to all kind of instabilities |
| 11:14.43 | XorA | CoreDump|home: I think ipkg works find, ipkg-make-index is busted for that case |
| 11:15.05 | CoreDump|home | ahh |
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| 11:18.10 | CoreDump|home | ouch gpe-irc is busted |
| 11:19.14 | _law_ | CoreDump|home, use gaim with irc plugin |
| 11:19.24 | koen | or xchat |
| 11:19.26 | CoreDump|home | yep |
| 11:20.37 | CoreDump|home | xchat! |
| 11:21.19 | CoreDump|home | man gpe-screenshot kicks ass |
| 11:22.34 | CoreDump|home | any other reccomendations for GPE apps? |
| 11:22.47 | koen | CoreDump|home: firefox 1.0.7 |
| 11:22.55 | CoreDump|home | got that already =) |
| 11:23.17 | XorA | wish 1.5.0.1 worked :-( |
| 11:24.09 | CoreDump|home | xchat's configure is b0rked |
| 11:24.28 | CoreDump|home | checking for gdk-pixbuf-csource... no |
| 11:24.28 | CoreDump|home | configure: error: "Cannot find gdk-pixbuf-csource: Install GTK+ 2.0\!" |
| 11:24.36 | hrw|work | another nice gpe mail: |
| 11:24.42 | hrw|work | What's the difference between the "Clock" applet and gpe-clock applet? |
| 11:24.43 | hrw|work | The first works fine it seems, the second, which is the one loaded at |
| 11:24.43 | hrw|work | install time, only shows half applet, as it were an icon only applet. |
| 11:24.43 | hrw|work | Couldn't Clock be loaded instead of gpe-clock? Are they the same, but |
| 11:24.43 | hrw|work | using different ways of loading applets? |
| 11:25.31 | koen | CoreDump|home: I have gtk+(-dev) on my buildmachine for that kind of crap |
| 11:25.48 | koen | hrw|work: forward those mails to gpe@ |
| 11:26.01 | CoreDump|home | koen: well, that's no exactly the point of using OE |
| 11:26.22 | XorA | CoreDump|home: well other choice is write gtk2-native :-) |
| 11:26.26 | CoreDump|home | yuck |
| 11:26.27 | koen | CoreDump|home: there are a few patches to solve that :) |
| 11:26.54 | koen | ./gnome/libgnomeui/no-pixbuf-csource.patch |
| 11:27.01 | CoreDump|home | ohh |
| 11:27.13 | CoreDump|home | where's the catch with that patch? |
| 11:27.49 | koen | no idea |
| 11:27.54 | CoreDump|home | =) |
| 11:28.05 | koen | I suspect most people have the native app installed and won't notice it |
| 11:28.48 | XorA | Well the obviously gotcha is no icons/mouse cursors |
| 11:30.37 | CoreDump|home | darn, there are about a ton of gtk -dev packages |
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| 11:36.23 | _law_ | is there any vnc-client for gpe? |
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| 11:37.04 | koen | hey florian |
| 11:37.09 | koen | _law_: x11vnc iirc |
| 11:37.14 | florian | morning |
| 11:37.27 | _law_ | koen, ok i?ll try |
| 11:37.31 | _law_ | florian, morning |
| 11:37.40 | XorA | x11vnc is a server |
| 11:38.00 | CoreDump|home | hmmmmmm |
| 11:38.11 | CoreDump|home | a vncserver would be sweet |
| 11:38.21 | _law_ | so i dont need it :-( |
| 11:38.57 | koen | Xdamagevnc works pretty good |
| 11:39.09 | XorA | there is a lack of nice simple gtk based vnc client |
| 11:40.36 | CoreDump|home | tinyvnc? |
| 11:45.33 | XorA | CoreDump|home: url? |
| 11:46.48 | CoreDump|home | umm good question |
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| 11:58.28 | _law_ | CoreDump|home, http://www.tightvnc.com/ |
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| 12:15.59 | CoreDump|home | http://www.zaurusthemes.org/content/wallpapers/640x480/wp054.html |
| 12:16.00 | CoreDump|home | öpö |
| 12:16.02 | CoreDump|home | lol |
| 12:31.10 | hrw|work | wow.. I see o-umlaut correctly |
| 12:31.43 | hrw|work | CoreDump|home: does ± is a-with-ogonek or trash? |
| 12:32.26 | CoreDump|home | it' s a +/- symbol |
| 12:32.34 | hrw|work | thx |
| 12:33.20 | CoreDump|home | changing font-color doesn't work |
| 12:37.23 | _law_ | hmm :-( next bluefish problem http://pastebin.com/564256 |
| 12:41.48 | koen | _law_: you're now up to the point where I gave up with bluefish |
| 12:44.30 | _law_ | koen, :-) |
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| 12:45.53 | _law_ | koen, do you know any other small editor? gedit? |
| 12:46.12 | _law_ | latest gpsdrive_cvs also doesnt build :-( |
| 12:46.14 | koen | _law_: I only use vi |
| 12:46.25 | pb__ | florian: good morning |
| 12:53.11 | _law_ | koen|away, i?ll do the same |
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| 13:44.33 | katossi_uni | what is in usb config, if I click on serial, that "Use CDC ACM" thing? |
| 13:46.05 | pb__ | it's a different way of using the usb-serial driver. I think CDC ACM will allow it to work out of the box in Windows, or something like that. |
| 13:47.19 | katossi_uni | I having serious problems with serial port, specially with the pl2303 driver, I don't know if it's malfunctioning in 2.6.15git |
| 13:47.46 | katossi_uni | instead of fluid text from my gps, I get huge blocks everz half a minute |
| 13:51.47 | poli | pb__: Yesterday I got a swap running and I was able to bring up abiword inside gdb without neither being killed (so, gdb was really being killed for lack of memory), but even with symbols gdb still gives that same bogus address as the point of the function that triggers the error. :( Is there some other way to try to figure out that address? |
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| 14:35.46 | pb__ | poli: hm, drat. |
| 14:35.58 | pb__ | I guess you could inspect the stack by hand, but this is a little tedious. |
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| 15:02.20 | _law_ | 16:02:07 up 116 days, 9:11, 11 users, load average: 0.77, 0.58, 0.37 |
| 15:02.28 | _law_ | this is my gnome workstation :-) |
| 15:06.47 | hrw|work | nice |
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| 16:14.33 | poli | pg |
| 16:14.46 | poli | pb__: I bet... how could I do to inspect it by hand? |
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| 16:28.54 | pb__ | poli: you'd need to step up to the uppermost frame before it goes wrong, then use "print $sp" to find the value of the stack pointer and "x" to dump the memory at that location. |
| 16:29.09 | pb__ | then. disassemble the function to find the prologue, see where the return address is stored on the stack, and match it up with the dumped data. |
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| 16:36.45 | XorA | ~pastebin |
| 16:36.46 | ibot | somebody said pastebin was a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.com/, or http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 16:41.01 | ghellman | thnaks :-) |
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| 17:22.13 | reenoo | evening |
| 17:24.43 | pb__ | hi reenoo |
| 17:24.54 | reenoo | hey pb__ |
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| 18:17.39 | pH5 | hi |
| 18:18.24 | florian | re |
| 18:18.27 | florian | hi pH5 |
| 18:18.35 | pH5 | hi florian |
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| 19:45.45 | lamikr | Hi florian |
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| 19:51.21 | florian | ~lart SGI |
| 19:51.25 | florian | re |
| 19:52.59 | koen | florian: wb |
| 19:53.05 | koen | florian: luc replied! |
| 19:53.32 | florian | yeah, he is still alive :-) |
| 19:53.54 | lamikr | florian: I am also :-) |
| 19:54.35 | pb_ | ah, excellent. glad to hear that luc lives. |
| 19:55.20 | florian | sounds like the tempratures in Finland rised a little bit ;-) |
| 19:55.31 | Philippe | hello all |
| 19:55.35 | florian | heh |
| 19:55.37 | florian | hi Philippe |
| 19:55.47 | lamikr | Hi philippe |
| 19:55.54 | Philippe | yep, temperature went up in FI the last few days... |
| 19:56.03 | Philippe | hi lamikr , florian |
| 19:57.40 | lamikr | Philippe: When are you flying to Brussels/Bryssel? |
| 19:58.05 | lamikr | florian: Any sign from the baby? |
| 19:58.40 | Philippe | lamikr, Friday afternoon (16h45 from HEL) |
| 19:59.00 | florian | lamikr: Oh sure... its one week old now, but they still don't let my wife go... |
| 19:59.22 | lamikr | Philippe: I will leave in the morning: 7:45 from Helsinki |
| 19:59.51 | lamikr | florian: I hope nothing serious. Is the baby fine? |
| 20:02.24 | Philippe | lamikr, okay :-) I'll see you around at Fosdem then! |
| 20:02.37 | florian | lamikr: Yeah... looks like it is not much more than a cold. No reason to go to hospital usually... but a reason to stay :-/ |
| 20:03.51 | florian | lamikr: But Jonas is fine and pretty happy as long as he gets enough food :-) |
| 20:04.01 | lamikr | florian: Well, it is better to be careful. Say creetings to your wife and congratulations from the baby. |
| 20:04.51 | florian | lamikr: thanks - will do |
| 20:05.00 | lamikr | florian: So you have already gave the name? In finland it usually takes about 4-6 weeks... |
| 20:07.03 | florian | lamikr: Oh indeed? I didn't know that... here it is common to give a name when it is born or even before. Apart from the fact that you have to register it with a name within a week. |
| 20:07.49 | lamikr | philippe: Yes, I will go to this astra hotel. Koen told that it is "unofficial official oe fosdem" oe hotel. |
| 20:08.23 | pb_ | lamikr: astrid? |
| 20:09.07 | lamikr | pb_: Yes, astrid was it... :-) |
| 20:09.46 | lamikr | florian: In finland we usually give 1 girl and 1 boy name in advance to hospital just in case that something bad happens but offical name giving day is much after that. |
| 20:09.46 | pb_ | very good. that's also where I'm staying. |
| 20:10.01 | Philippe | lamikr, I will stay at my parents place. They will be glad to see me again. |
| 20:11.24 | lamikr | pb_: I am excited to see all people there. I plan to go on friday day for visiting all official places like "modern art museum", but on friday evening I will concentrate more for tasting these fascinate sounding "fruit" beers. |
| 20:11.34 | florian | lamikr: Hmm i see... good idea, so you have more reasons for a good party :-) |
| 20:11.56 | mimecar | lamikr: travel or party ? |
| 20:12.03 | pb_ | lamikr: ah, good plan. yeah, I keep meaning to try to spend a day actually seeing Brussels itself, but so far I haven't succeeded |
| 20:12.33 | florian | lamikr: heh dc__ seems to be the one with the best knowlege about fruit beers ;-) |
| 20:12.36 | lamikr | pb_: So you have also tried earlier :-) |
| 20:12.51 | dc__ | :) |
| 20:13.26 | dc__ | lamikr: they're awesome |
| 20:13.32 | pb_ | lamikr: yah, I've been to fosdem two or three times before. thus far, though, I have never been able to arrive earlier than friday evening. |
| 20:13.46 | pb_ | dc__: heh |
| 20:14.21 | pb_ | dc__: mm, too bad you won't be attending this year |
| 20:14.33 | dc__ | yeah, darn uni |
| 20:14.40 | dc__ | I got a place at Imperial though |
| 20:14.44 | dc__ | which is kind of cool |
| 20:14.48 | lamikr | pb_: I was just yesterday watching maps and was yellow from my fase from thinking how easy it is travel from one place to another in central europe. Distance from uk to brussel is basically nothing... |
| 20:14.52 | pb_ | dc_: oh right, awesome |
| 20:15.02 | dc__ | but in London, obviously :/ |
| 20:15.09 | pb_ | lamikr: right, it takes about 2h30 on the train |
| 20:16.12 | florian | Hrm... too bad i won't make it this year :-( |
| 20:16.19 | pb_ | florian: yeah, that is too bad as well |
| 20:16.29 | lamikr | Yes, from london to brussel... Here it takes 3 hour from my city to our capital... And from my many places much longer. |
| 20:16.46 | pb_ | florian: you should pay the hospital to keep your wife a little longer :-} |
| 20:16.54 | florian | heh |
| 20:17.16 | lamikr | People who need to go to norhern finland to army, spends usually about 20 hours from their 70 hour weekend holliday by sitting in the busses and train. |
| 20:17.34 | pb_ | lamikr: crumbs |
| 20:17.45 | pb_ | here in the UK you can't really travel for more than about six hours in any direction without falling off the edge |
| 20:17.50 | law_ | mb-applet-network-profiles now really works! :-) http://handhelds.org/scap/port.6477.png |
| 20:18.44 | florian | pb_: I saw what they charge the health insurance for that... maybe they should pay me if i leave my wife there ;-) |
| 20:19.02 | florian | law_: cool! |
| 20:19.25 | pb_ | florian: hehe. I guess your wife must be pretty bored with the hospital by now though. |
| 20:19.34 | law_ | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.6833.png |
| 20:20.36 | pb_ | hrm. regrettably it seems that my mission for this evening is to write some marketing literature. |
| 20:20.40 | pb_ | how unpleasant |
| 20:21.14 | law_ | last one :-) http://handhelds.org/scap/port.6971.png |
| 20:21.53 | florian | pb_: yeah... almost three weeks now for more or less nothing. she got there because some docters decided that Jonas wouldn't grow fast enough... it turned out that he was more than one kilogram heavier than they thought. |
| 20:22.06 | florian | pb_: uh nasty |
| 20:22.45 | pb_ | florian: oh dear. sounds like you need some different doctors. |
| 20:22.50 | florian | I need to take care about my taaxes or i'll run out of money within two weeks :-/ |
| 20:22.57 | lamikr | florian: some calibration needed... |
| 20:23.11 | pb_ | oh, nasty |
| 20:23.22 | florian | pb_: yeah... i'll never understand how thase things happen. |
| 20:23.57 | pb_ | we have this two-month period between the filing deadline for one year and the end of the following year. |
| 20:23.59 | florian | lamikr: obviously... stay away from Siemens medical equipment ;-) |
| 20:27.22 | florian | pb_: i have 10 days for the vat stuff, but much more for all personal taxes... but i have to pay in advance depending on my last declaration. and at this time i earned more and i wasn't married... |
| 20:27.34 | lamikr | btw, who are the fosdem official organizers. Is philippe on of them. I mean is there any help needed? I noticed that at least funding is hoped. |
| 20:28.11 | Philippe | lamikr, I am one of the official little helpers, not an organizer |
| 20:29.49 | pb_ | florian: ah yeah, I had that problem a couple of years ago |
| 20:29.59 | pb_ | (earning less than the year before, not getting married, obviously) |
| 20:30.21 | lamikr | philippe: So what kind of things you are doing? |
| 20:31.06 | Philippe | lamikr, I organise the embedded devroom and help out setting up the stands etc... This year of course I do less because of the distance. |
| 20:31.41 | Philippe | Well for next year we might have Nokia sponsoring, and I managed to get two 770 as donation returns. |
| 20:32.52 | lamikr | philippe: Well, I guess sponsoring could be nice help there. |
| 20:34.19 | lamikr | philippe: About this embedded devroom. Will there be some devices available? (I have newer seen "jtag" in use and would be interested in to see how it different from the usual "flash and pray for the best" method :-) |
| 20:35.59 | Philippe | lamikr, well there might be some discussion about those things. I do not really know what people will be showing or intend to show. |
| 20:36.21 | Philippe | However I think the openocd talk might have some jtag related stuff |
| 20:39.26 | lamikr | philippe: Let's hope the best. I need to extract the latest image to my mmc card... (I usually test in just by mounting from the nfs partition but it is not very handy to carry the desktop pc in the same pocket with ipaq... |
| 20:40.50 | Philippe | idd :-) |
| 20:46.47 | pb_ | heh, indeed |
| 20:47.08 | pb_ | making "live-cf" images for familiar would be quite a cool project for someone |
| 20:48.35 | florian | hmm.. that would be cool... |
| 20:50.18 | pb_ | hrm |
| 20:52.20 | law_ | n8 all |
| 20:52.29 | florian | law_: good night |
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| 21:59.47 | reenoo | heh. new minimo release... windows only as it seems :/ |
| 22:01.40 | florian | yeah... |
| 22:01.59 | koen|tv | iirc dougt got sponsoring for his CE work |
| 22:03.10 | florian | I can't imagine someone doing this deliberately ;) |
| 22:03.26 | reenoo | koen|tv: I know. still a bit sad. |
| 22:04.22 | reenoo | heh |
| 22:04.57 | florian | No libgtkada1 in sarge :-/ |
| 22:06.47 | reenoo | reminds me of the people working on a project with a large ada code base |
| 22:07.01 | reenoo | s/project/university project |
| 22:07.38 | reenoo | I've been told they haven't even managed to build it yet |
| 22:08.01 | florian | oops |
| 22:08.01 | reenoo | after... 5 months |
| 22:08.17 | florian | sounds like fun... |
| 22:08.33 | florian | I just found some tax software written in ADA |
| 22:09.47 | reenoo | fun indeed. the project goal is IntelliJ style refactoring on C among other even freakier things |
| 22:10.26 | reenoo | interesting, of course. but a bit ambitious >:) |
| 22:12.54 | florian | reenoo: i have nno idea what you are talking about :-) |
| 22:13.02 | florian | but sounds cool ;-) |
| 22:13.10 | reenoo | heh |
| 22:13.27 | reenoo | I guess you haven't been forced to enough java development yet |
| 22:13.45 | florian | indeed :-) |
| 22:14.04 | reenoo | IntelliJ is a java IDE that provides fairly sophisticated refactoring funtionality |
| 22:14.39 | reenoo | which is (comparably) easy in java but will cause you headaches in C |
| 22:33.07 | Philippe | night all |
| 22:34.39 | florian | Philippe: good night |
| 22:36.20 | lamikr | good night |
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| 22:46.24 | jurop88 | hi everybody! |
| 22:46.41 | florian | hi jurop88 |
| 22:46.51 | jurop88 | hi florian |
| 22:47.02 | jurop88 | is there Philippe in the neighbourhood? |
| 22:47.20 | jurop88 | I am still fighting against gpe-timesheet... |
| 22:47.52 | florian | he just left for sleep... |
| 22:48.49 | jurop88 | I am really stripping away a lot of stuff... |
| 22:49.09 | jurop88 | due to the fact that TreeView is really different from Ctree |
| 22:49.27 | jurop88 | I dunno if I am doing a useful job, now :( |
| 22:49.41 | jurop88 | did you try my last deb? |
| 22:49.51 | florian | removing ctree is always a good idea... |
| 22:50.13 | lamikr | florian: Do you know about the magic used for putting loadable drivers to /etc/modules during the first boot? |
| 22:50.15 | florian | no, i ran into some problems here.... |
| 22:50.52 | jurop88 | I am also improving the program, but first I'd like to have all functional with treeview |
| 22:52.31 | jurop88 | well, time to sleep, now. Here's midnight and tomorrow I have to wake up at quarter past five |
| 22:52.49 | florian | uh! |
| 22:52.52 | jurop88 | I don't like flying and 4 flies are expecting me tomorrow |
| 22:52.54 | jurop88 | ARGH! |
| 22:53.12 | jurop88 | so I am getting tired in order to sleep the whole day ;-) |
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| 22:53.41 | jurop88 | see ya |
| 22:57.40 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 22:57.50 | lamikr | hi |
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| 23:02.28 | florian | hi CoreDump|home |
| 23:03.01 | CoreDump|home | Philippe: I've tested the akita "." key bug. No problems w/ kernel 2.6. |
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