| 00:00.15 | l1nux | florian, only remove gaim, and linphone, and gpe crashed |
| 00:01.57 | florian | l1nux: :-/ |
| 00:03.17 | l1nux | not possible backup rom, like wince ? |
| 00:03.32 | l1nux | and restore after hard reset |
| 00:04.20 | florian | In theory you can... but corrently there is no GUI to do this. |
| 00:05.27 | l1nux | sh script ? |
| 00:08.57 | l1nux | florian, please howto use ? |
| 00:11.35 | florian | l1nux: you should be able to cat the data of your flash into a file (e.g. on a sd card) and flash it back later. |
| 00:13.18 | florian | something like "cat /dev/mtdcharX > /media/card/root.jffs2" |
| 00:13.48 | florian | .. and i didn't try this for years. |
| 00:16.27 | l1nux | with dd :P |
| 00:16.45 | florian | yeah.. that might be even better |
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| 00:17.29 | l1nux | i need use internal backup, and use hard reset to restore all gpe :) |
| 00:21.46 | mreimer | florian, glibc is borken in oz354fam083. any ideas? |
| 00:23.22 | florian | mreimer: monotone pull && monotone up |
| 00:23.33 | mreimer | florian: I'll do it again |
| 00:24.25 | florian | I just checked in a fix, it might be necessary to ditch the matching libc and ports archives from the download directory. |
| 00:24.47 | mreimer | florian: I already have the latest. I'll delete libc_sources* |
| 00:25.16 | mreimer | hmm, I'd bet I didn't reparse |
| 01:01.44 | france | mreimer: if you have a moment stop by #hhkernel |
| 01:22.34 | moray | florian: you feel the earth shaking? ;) |
| 01:23.04 | florian | hehe |
| 01:23.58 | florian | moray: i feel that all the time... but thats more likely releated to the lorries in front of the building. |
| 01:24.03 | moray | ha |
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| 02:26.10 | l1nux | night... |
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| 08:47.34 | _law_ | morning |
| 08:47.40 | koen | hey _law_ |
| 08:47.49 | _law_ | found another gpe-calendar bug/problem: |
| 08:48.42 | _law_ | if you are in the dayview and you switch to an other month, the overview (on the right) is always on the current month |
| 08:48.48 | _law_ | can someone confirm this? |
| 08:51.01 | _law_ | morning koen |
| 08:52.08 | XorA | morning |
| 08:57.46 | _law_ | hi XorA |
| 08:57.59 | _law_ | is abiword 2.4.2 working on you Z? |
| 08:58.43 | XorA | _law_: yes |
| 08:58.51 | koen | hey XorA |
| 08:59.01 | _law_ | XorA, i always get an X error on startup :-( |
| 08:59.21 | XorA | _law_: koen said it does not work on his machine either |
| 08:59.39 | XorA | _law_: I am clueless as it just works on mine, an image I built fresh about a week ago |
| 09:01.03 | _law_ | XorA, have you installed any special things? :-) |
| 09:01.36 | XorA | _law_: nope, just ipkg install abiword |
| 09:02.14 | XorA | hmm, idea, do you have visual effects turned on in gpe-conf? |
| 09:03.48 | _law_ | same problem with effects off :-( |
| 09:04.26 | XorA | only other thing I can think of is you have some setting in a .file in $HOME |
| 09:08.50 | _law_ | i?ll try to add a new user |
| 09:12.17 | XorA | _law_: this is a wierd one as it has really just never happened on my machine |
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| 09:32.07 | _law_ | hmmm with the new user it works. so i have to cleanup my $HOME :-( |
| 09:32.27 | _law_ | koen, perhabs you should also test this |
| 09:34.42 | XorA | _law_: woo, it would be nice if you could clean file by file and track down which file errors it |
| 09:34.54 | XorA | _law_: that would give the gurus somewhere to look |
| 09:35.38 | koen | it abi works we could update the branch to 2.4.x |
| 09:35.54 | _law_ | XorA, ok i?ll have a look at this |
| 09:36.20 | XorA | koen: abi 2.4.2 + gnumeric 1.6.2 in branch would be nice, would give opendocument support to fam 0.8.3 |
| 09:36.36 | _law_ | gnumeric works fine here |
| 09:36.57 | _law_ | ~hail gpe for multiuser-support |
| 09:36.58 | ibot | ACTION bows down to gpe for multiuser-support and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
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| 09:40.02 | basiliscus | morning! |
| 09:40.35 | koen | hey basiliscus |
| 09:40.49 | basiliscus | hi koen |
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| 10:04.54 | koen | hey florian_kc |
| 10:06.13 | pb__ | florian_kc: good morning |
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| 10:27.59 | florian_kc | good morning |
| 10:35.05 | hrw|work | hi florian_kc |
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| 10:49.38 | _law_ | hi florian_kc |
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| 10:58.34 | pb__ | florian_kc: good morning! |
| 10:58.39 | pb__ | hm, I wonder what happened to pb_ |
| 10:59.14 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 11:23.20 | koen | heh |
| 11:23.36 | koen | with the default theme abiword works, with clearlooks it crashes |
| 11:23.44 | hrw|work | libeventdb 0.21 + gpe-calendar 0.72 are needed for 'one event per day' resolve? |
| 11:23.58 | koen | hrw|work: yes |
| 11:25.02 | hrw|work | thx koen |
| 11:26.20 | koen | XorA: what theme are you using? |
| 11:28.33 | justalad | No one use default GPE theme, IMHO. |
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| 11:45.32 | XorA | koen: Industrial |
| 11:45.58 | florian_kc | ~lart bitbake |
| 11:46.01 | florian_kc | IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/tmp/fileilLg9x' |
| 11:46.28 | XorA | koen: yes, Clearlooks kills it here |
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| 11:48.27 | XorA | koen: I use Industrial as that doesnt have a fontsize encoded in pixels |
| 11:49.13 | koen | abiword 2.4.2 is in the branch now |
| 11:49.21 | XorA | woowoo |
| 11:49.23 | koen | XorA: is OD compiled in by default? |
| 11:49.46 | XorA | koen: erm, not sure, I dont actually have any OD docs |
| 11:50.05 | koen | iirc mreimer was looking into this |
| 11:50.26 | koen | aaargh |
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| 11:53.13 | koen | yeah |
| 11:53.17 | koen | someone messed up glibc |
| 11:53.39 | florian_kc | koen: uh? |
| 11:54.04 | koen | it doesn't build anymore |
| 11:54.17 | koen | someone up'd the PR for no reason |
| 11:54.46 | florian_kc | koen: changing PR shouldn't break it. |
| 11:54.57 | koen | it did |
| 11:55.12 | florian_kc | koen: aha? |
| 11:55.38 | koen | it tries to rebuild it, messes up my DL_DIR, and fails |
| 11:55.46 | koen | PR bump = ipkg change |
| 11:55.53 | koen | ipkg didn't change, so no PR bump needed |
| 11:56.54 | koen | you are now forcing every familiar + OZ user to upgrade glibc just because the source moved |
| 11:58.10 | florian_kc | koen: that's not true - if you have a system which checked out the the wrong version you need to rebuild and update the installed system to the correct version. everything else would be a major pain... |
| 11:58.24 | koen | you don't |
| 11:58.30 | koen | either glibc built or it didn't |
| 11:58.42 | koen | if it built r1 would be the same as r0 |
| 11:59.28 | florian_kc | do we _really_ know? imho this is te only way to be sure. |
| 11:59.37 | koen | yes, we *really* know |
| 11:59.39 | ArjanS | glibc built fine here, just five minutes ago |
| 11:59.47 | florian_kc | here too... |
| 12:00.21 | koen | wget appended stuff to my existing tarball and thus corrupting it |
| 12:00.56 | florian_kc | koen: that would be a bug in the fetcher... |
| 12:01.10 | koen | yes, but it breaks for a lot of people |
| 12:01.21 | hrw|work | cvs fetcher does not create .md5 |
| 12:01.27 | hrw|work | wget check for .md5 |
| 12:01.53 | koen | using http://familiar.handhelds.org/source/v0.8.3/glibc-2.3.5+cvs20050627.orig.tar.gz would be a better option |
| 12:01.57 | hrw|work | rest is easy |
| 12:03.02 | florian_kc | koen: that's true... but this would be just another workaround and noone would care about ficing the real issue. |
| 12:03.18 | koen | the real issue is that cvs sucks |
| 12:04.52 | florian_kc | no... in this case we had two issues: a bad bb and a missing sanity check in the fetcher. |
| 12:05.18 | koen | no, people didn't use a tarballstash |
| 12:05.30 | koen | and the sanity check isn't missing |
| 12:05.55 | koen | the sanity check is the .md5 file |
| 12:06.17 | koen | the .bb is bad *after* the fix |
| 12:07.22 | koen | anyway, I returned the PR to r0 so people with working trees don't get fucked |
| 12:07.33 | koen | i.e. me |
| 12:07.36 | florian_kc | We should _never_ rely on a certain tarballstash... |
| 12:08.23 | koen | we do, since cvs sucks and the glibc people use cvs |
| 12:08.35 | florian_kc | if we ever want to achieve some kind of quality wen need to ger rid of these hacks... |
| 12:09.04 | hrw|work | time to update to glibc 2.3.6? |
| 12:09.13 | florian_kc | koen: it is *not* cvs - the bb was just broken... read the patch and see why. |
| 12:09.47 | koen | yeah, or convince the glibc people to stop pulling such weird cvs stuff |
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| 12:10.53 | koen | florian_kc: using http://familiar.handhelds.org/source/v0.8.3/libc_sources.redhat.com__20050627.tar.gz is a bad idea |
| 12:10.53 | koen | as hrw explained, it bypasses the the .md5 protection so wget *will* corrupt it |
| 12:11.05 | reenoo | morning |
| 12:11.09 | koen | hey reenoo |
| 12:11.17 | florian_kc | hi Rebecca |
| 12:11.24 | reenoo | hi koen |
| 12:11.24 | florian_kc | eh reenoo |
| 12:11.27 | reenoo | moin florian_kc ;) |
| 12:12.02 | koen | so http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/viewmtn/getdiff.py?id1=35b53b03f10f1e5f7a3d49cee722426de5d1f29a&id2=eb5eb17d92ae339d8201d8f974cd0db7e744b34c&fname=packages/glibc/glibc_2.3.5%2Bcvs20050627.bb *only* works for people without a DL_DIR |
| 12:12.17 | koen | everyone else sees their build break |
| 12:13.05 | florian_kc | koen: yes... that's unfortunate - but like i said, this *is* a bug in the fetcher... you can't get a reliable system using wget -c without checking the resulting file. this stuff breaks frequently... |
| 12:13.27 | koen | florian_kc: you broke the namespace |
| 12:14.05 | koen | like I said, you need the glibc*orig.tar.gz, not the libc_sources one |
| 12:14.50 | XorA | doesnt help that http://familiar.handhelds.org/source/v0.8.3/libc_sources.redhat.com__20050627.tar.gz seems to be corrupt as well |
| 12:15.22 | florian_kc | koen: this happens all the time - i can fix this one easily. but sometimes people change files or wget -c just fails. it would be bad to rely on this. |
| 12:15.57 | koen | all libc_sources*.gz are different, since CVS stores info about the host system |
| 12:16.26 | XorA | koen: gzip is complaining about that file on my system |
| 12:17.02 | florian_kc | XorA: jou just ran into that issue koen described... ditch that file and try again. |
| 12:17.09 | florian_kc | s/jou/you |
| 12:17.18 | koen | XorA: wget -c appended it |
| 12:17.32 | XorA | florian_kc: I tried 3 times, without any files in sources, 3 times I got corrupt file from hh.org |
| 12:17.48 | florian_kc | hrm... |
| 12:18.01 | koen | XorA: I downloaded it 5 minutes ago and it worked |
| 12:18.02 | XorA | eventually I grabbed the one from oesources.org |
| 12:19.02 | XorA | one time I got a file that was 654K in size, so I suspect hh.org webserver is flaky |
| 12:19.04 | koen | the orig.tar.gz should also have the ports stuff |
| 12:19.17 | koen | since it was generate by sourcepkg.bbclass |
| 12:19.30 | florian_kc | koen: ah cool |
| 12:20.12 | koen | If I can find my key and remember my password I can even sign it :) |
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| 12:24.49 | koen | XorA: I almost have gnumeric 1.6.2 in the branch |
| 12:25.04 | koen | XorA: I just need to test the ipkg on a real device and I'll commit it |
| 12:26.25 | XorA | koen: cool, gnumeric is the pain because of the need to bump everything on the goffice chain |
| 12:26.41 | koen | yeah |
| 12:26.56 | koen | I updated & tested everything upto libgsf |
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| 12:28.06 | XorA | koen: although at least pkgconfig.ac actually tells you the versions required in a nice way |
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| 12:28.28 | koen | indeed |
| 12:28.33 | koen | hrw|work: rather glibc 2.4 |
| 12:30.13 | hrw|work | koen: glibc 2.4 req kernel 2.6 |
| 12:30.52 | koen | hrw|work: as does EABI |
| 12:31.05 | koen | hrw|work: and that's what I want to be using soon |
| 12:31.22 | hrw|work | if we go to 2.6/eabi then we can glibc 2.4-cvs |
| 12:32.07 | hrw|work | and then I will split my work in OE to oz (collie/2.4) and angstrom |
| 12:34.12 | XorA | hrw|work: need to use colinux to run 2.6 kernel ontop of 2.4 kernel for collie |
| 12:34.20 | XorA | hrw|work: or UML |
| 12:35.34 | koen | holy crap |
| 12:35.41 | koen | 'As you can see, the Maverick Crunch version is 7 times faster than the soft-float version, and 74 times faster than the emulated hard-float version! |
| 12:35.44 | koen | ' |
| 12:35.54 | XorA | :-) |
| 12:36.02 | XorA | sounds like we need EABI then |
| 12:36.33 | koen | that's with a hardware FPU |
| 12:36.48 | XorA | koen: we all need them in our PDA's |
| 12:36.49 | koen | so I could install gtk 2.8 on that board with it being slow as hell |
| 12:37.18 | XorA | ~curse arms traditional hatred of fpu's |
| 12:37.22 | ibot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, arms traditional hatred of fpu's ! |
| 12:39.22 | koen | XorA: 'ipkg install imposter' to get OD presentation support |
| 12:43.41 | florian_kc | koen: i don't know what this orig.tar.gz contains but this breaks with the patches... is it possible that the package at hh.org is broken? |
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| 12:44.02 | koen | florian_kc: could be |
| 12:46.12 | koen | florian_kc: use stash_libc_sources.redhat.com__20050627.tar.gz and stash_ports_sources.redhat.com__20050627.tar.gz |
| 12:46.31 | koen | (cp ports_sources.redhat.com__20050627.tar.gz stash_ports_sources.redhat.com__20050627.tar.gz in the source/v0.8.3 dir) |
| 12:47.36 | koen | same files, but no problems with existing checkouts |
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| 12:48.59 | florian_kc | koen: ok |
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| 12:58.24 | florian_kc | bbl, meeting |
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| 13:47.34 | l1nux | hello :) |
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| 14:06.38 | koen | XorA: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.26781.png http://handhelds.org/scap/port.26950.png |
| 14:07.59 | XorA | koen: cool |
| 14:08.16 | XorA | koen: so Clearlooks upsets abiword then |
| 14:08.37 | koen | yes |
| 14:08.43 | koen | no idea why |
| 14:09.08 | koen | I suspect abiword upsets clearlooks which crashes gtk+ |
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| 14:12.43 | l1nux | how to move aplet in the panel ? |
| 14:12.58 | l1nux | like clock |
| 14:16.16 | koen | l1nux: settings -> panel manager |
| 14:16.37 | koen | XorA: so we have theoritical OD support now ;) |
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| 14:21.04 | XorA | koen: just need to find some OD documents |
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| 15:21.52 | justalad | Is firefox workable on hx4700? |
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| 15:28.51 | koen_ | justalad: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.32603.png |
| 15:28.56 | koen_ | it works, but is quite slow |
| 15:29.43 | ||cw | what device? |
| 15:29.56 | koen_ | hx4700 |
| 15:30.41 | ||cw | hm, slow on 624Mhz |
| 15:30.55 | ||cw | only 64 ram though |
| 15:32.01 | law_ | hi |
| 15:32.13 | law_ | koen_: found the problem with abiword? |
| 15:32.27 | koen_ | law_: yes, the clearlooks theme |
| 15:33.03 | law_ | koen_: aha so i have to switch theme? |
| 15:33.15 | koen_ | yes :( |
| 15:34.23 | law_ | hmm :-( |
| 15:35.02 | koen_ | or find a version of the clearlooks engine that doesn't upset gtk+ |
| 15:35.55 | law_ | koen_: tested latest version? |
| 15:36.12 | koen_ | no |
| 15:39.44 | law_ | koen_: should i use gpdf or evince ? |
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| 15:41.15 | koen_ | law_: evince is better |
| 15:41.33 | law_ | koen_: ok thanks |
| 15:41.53 | law_ | are there any problems with bigger pdfs? memory usage? |
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| 15:43.36 | koen_ | evince loads the entire pdf into memory, gpdf only a few pages |
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| 15:44.37 | justalad | Yesss!!! I really have internet browser now!!! |
| 15:44.43 | poli | koen: is gpdf working now? |
| 15:44.48 | koen | :) |
| 15:45.03 | koen | poli: a bit, you just need to use the vera fonts |
| 15:45.11 | poli | koen: Great! |
| 15:45.27 | poli | hum... what's the problem with bugzilla today? |
| 15:45.50 | justalad | Thanks people I love you all! |
| 15:47.00 | koen | poli: hh.org is getting DDoS'ed again I guess |
| 15:47.15 | poli | koen: why would someone do that?! |
| 15:47.56 | koen | poli: a search engine hitting bugzilla with a number of crawlers counts as a ddos for me |
| 15:48.22 | poli | koen: makes sense... well at least the good ones never do that. |
| 15:48.49 | law_ | koen: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.32603.png :-) how those it work? |
| 15:50.12 | koen | law_: slow and exploitable |
| 15:50.15 | koen | it's 1.0.7 |
| 15:50.20 | law_ | aha |
| 15:50.36 | koen | it takes a minute or so to startup |
| 15:50.43 | koen | on 624MHz! |
| 15:51.01 | law_ | 624? mhz? |
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| 15:52.33 | koen | yes, the hx4700 is 624MHz |
| 15:52.46 | justalad | koen, this this better then nothing anyway |
| 15:53.06 | justalad | I am about firefox not MHz |
| 15:53.08 | koen | I usually don't need https, so mini-browser does the job for me |
| 15:53.36 | law_ | i have got an dell axim x51v with 624mhz, but linux doesnt boot :-( |
| 15:54.23 | justalad | I usually need other charsets then Latin-1 so mini-browser doesn't the job for me |
| 15:59.05 | poli | law_: when I chose the 4700 last June, I got really interested in the cheaper-x51v, which had the same features... I bought the 4700 because of familiar. |
| 16:02.27 | justalad | axims eats more battery power then ipaqs, I hear |
| 16:02.42 | poli | hum... where should I file a bug for the "summary" application? |
| 16:02.54 | koen | poli: gpe-today |
| 16:03.08 | poli | koen: thank you :) |
| 16:04.01 | justalad | The summary application looks very ugly with peaces of wallpaper on it |
| 16:06.04 | koen | justalad: that's a bug in gtk 2.6 |
| 16:12.34 | l1nux | Philippe, are you here ? |
| 16:12.50 | poli | Ok... that's my second bug that blocks 1334. :) I am so proud of myself... lol |
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| 16:41.19 | florian_kc | reenoo: I just had an idea... related to the discussion about parsing esktop files. |
| 16:41.23 | florian_kc | +d |
| 16:42.24 | florian_kc | reenoo: If we had the data in a database we could create a custom liststore object accessing the database transparently... that would rock. |
| 16:44.38 | reenoo | yeah, except... I don't think that's how matchbox-(desktop|panel) works right now |
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| 16:47.14 | reenoo | if we want to change that we'll probably be better off rewriting it all |
| 16:47.32 | florian_kc | reenoo: indeed... but the the way to a replacement would be easy then. |
| 16:47.35 | poli | ~lart DDoS |
| 16:47.52 | florian_kc | reenoo: eh yes... :-) |
| 16:49.30 | reenoo | florian_kc: if I had the time I'd start with implementing a libdotdesktopdb and update-dotdesktopdb based on it. then, for a start, patch matchbox-(desktop|panel) to use it |
| 16:49.37 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 16:51.00 | reenoo | florian_kc: the only question is how to deal with the then unused .desktop files which just consume space. |
| 16:51.58 | reenoo | florian_kc: oh, and of course I'll have to patch gnome-panel as well, to make my laptop usable again in this respect ;) |
| 16:52.03 | florian_kc | reenoo: thats tricky indeed... we could add a virtual filesystem which transparently gets the data from the database ;-) |
| 16:54.30 | reenoo | florian_kc: heh. would be a cute hack indeed. but I don't think I like the consequences for image generation/initial boot and package installs/upgrades |
| 16:54.44 | florian_kc | yeah |
| 16:55.23 | reenoo | also, I'm not sure we have the user space file system stuff in our 2.4 kernels |
| 16:56.00 | florian_kc | hmm... then we simply implement sqlite access in the kernel ;-) |
| 16:56.12 | reenoo | ~stab florian_kc |
| 16:56.13 | ibot | ACTION runs at florian_kc with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 16:56.39 | koen|770 | sounds like #opie ;) |
| 16:57.08 | reenoo | huh. how so? |
| 16:59.05 | reenoo | for the record. I'm just going to implement what robert love has been preaching for ages. unfortunately the extended freedesktop.org community won't listen |
| 17:03.53 | florian_kc | reenoo: what is this? |
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| 17:04.59 | reenoo | florian_kc: I'm sorry I don't understand what you're referring to |
| 17:06.49 | florian_kc | reenoo: this thing you are currently implementing... |
| 17:07.14 | reenoo | ah, libdotdesktopdb |
| 17:07.32 | florian_kc | ah okay... i didn't get the link. |
| 17:07.32 | reenoo | except, I don't have the time to actually implement it right now |
| 17:08.18 | reenoo | I'm just going to patch matchbox-panel a bit more and will have to do some project work afterwards |
| 17:09.08 | reenoo | implementing a framework for a massively multi-threaded data acquisition/processing/control system |
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| 17:20.27 | poli | someone would please try to reproduce #1557? |
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| 17:43.07 | l1nux | (h5450) battery monitor not work with gpe-2.7 ): |
| 17:43.54 | l1nux | and, if battery is low, ipaq crash :/ |
| 17:45.51 | l1nux | same problem here http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/familiar/253/25334.html |
| 17:48.54 | reenoo | l1nux: the hardware is buggy. try what Koen suggested in that thread. |
| 17:49.22 | koen|assignment | goold ol' h5xxx :( |
| 17:50.07 | l1nux | no patch for battery monitor ? |
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| 17:57.16 | l1nux | hardware is buggy, ony for H5xxx ? |
| 17:57.23 | l1nux | only* |
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| 19:34.09 | l1nux | howto disable power suspend, because my ipaq read error in battery, and go off :/ |
| 19:43.48 | pb_ | l1nux: killall ipaq-sleep |
| 19:43.53 | pb_ | hi Rebecca |
| 19:43.55 | pb_ | er, reenoo |
| 19:43.59 | Rebecca | lol |
| 19:44.02 | reenoo | hey pb_ |
| 19:44.07 | pb_ | stupid tab |
| 19:44.17 | Rebecca | pb_: your not the only one :) |
| 19:44.27 | pb_ | :-} |
| 19:47.13 | l1nux | pb_, where to remove from startup ? |
| 19:48.14 | pb_ | l1nux: xsession.d somewhere |
| 19:48.37 | l1nux | ok |
| 19:51.15 | reenoo | hehe. and the panel submenu is gone :) |
| 19:57.41 | l1nux | pb_, possibe get battery stat with command line, (like cat /proc/battery...) ? |
| 19:57.51 | l1nux | or other ? |
| 19:57.59 | pb_ | cat /proc/asic/battery |
| 19:58.12 | pb_ | reenoo: rock! |
| 20:03.51 | l1nux | pb_ http://pastebin.ca/41983 |
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| 20:23.07 | reenoo | ok, it seems #1462 is finally fixed in OE .dev now |
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| 20:34.43 | pb_ | all hail reenoo |
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| 21:12.28 | florian | re |
| 21:13.58 | reenoo | florian: wb |
| 21:19.07 | jurop88 | florian:ping |
| 21:19.26 | pb_ | florian: good evening |
| 21:19.46 | jurop88 | good evening to everybody |
| 21:20.56 | florian | hi jurop88 |
| 21:24.11 | jurop88 | i have a slightly improved deb package for gpe-timesheet |
| 21:24.28 | jurop88 | but the source had been revisited a lot! |
| 21:24.47 | jurop88 | now I'd like to split main.c stripping away the interface |
| 21:24.59 | jurop88 | and submit the whole job to Philippe |
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| 21:25.21 | jurop88 | may i send you a copy to have an opinion from you? |
| 21:26.41 | koen | jurop88: do you have screenshots? |
| 21:27.41 | jurop88 | I sent one yesterday to florian |
| 21:27.53 | jurop88 | I can take one if do you like to have one |
| 21:28.01 | koen | yes! |
| 21:28.04 | jurop88 | I have no web spaces where to publish it! |
| 21:28.11 | koen | my 770 gpe isntall is way outdated |
| 21:28.51 | jurop88 | koen:tell me where to put/send it and I'll do |
| 21:31.33 | koen | jurop88: koen@handhelds.org please |
| 21:36.49 | jurop88 | koen:sent! |
| 21:37.01 | koen | jurop88: thanks |
| 21:37.03 | koen | hey Philippe |
| 21:37.09 | Philippe | hey there |
| 21:37.21 | jurop88 | hi Philippe |
| 21:37.46 | Philippe | hi jurop88 |
| 21:38.26 | jurop88 | today 6 hours spent on timesheet! |
| 21:38.42 | jurop88 | Tomorrow I'll start working again, so no more time :-( |
| 21:38.51 | jurop88 | but I enjoied myself a lot |
| 21:39.25 | koen | jurop88: looks cute |
| 21:39.56 | florian | koen, jurop88: I'll upload that one... |
| 21:40.36 | jurop88 | florian:would you like to try today's deb? |
| 21:40.48 | jurop88 | if yes, I'll send you a copy |
| 21:40.57 | koen | I dislike the lack of seperators in the maemo theme |
| 21:41.03 | koen | everything is so white |
| 21:41.59 | florian | jurop88: that would be nice |
| 21:43.35 | florian | It should show up on http://www.kernelconcepts.de/~fuchs/nokia770/screenshots/timesheet01.png |
| 21:43.53 | florian | koen: i filed a bug against that :-) |
| 21:43.59 | koen | :) |
| 21:44.19 | koen | florian: OTOH white scales quite good over different resolutions ;) |
| 21:45.06 | florian | heh |
| 21:45.46 | florian | koen: even better... its supported even on monocrome displays! ;-) |
| 21:45.55 | koen | :) |
| 21:46.27 | jurop88 | florian:sent |
| 21:47.46 | florian | koen: ah, i wanted to answer to that mail too... |
| 21:47.56 | florian | jurop88: thank you |
| 21:48.17 | florian | koen: maybe we can discuss this here :-) |
| 21:48.30 | koen | ~seen luc |
| 21:48.39 | ibot | luc <~luc@cs78246193.pp.htv.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 276d 2h 22m 32s ago, saying: 'hey florian'. |
| 21:48.39 | koen | ~seen luc_ |
| 21:48.40 | ibot | luc_ <n=luc@30-5-73.wireless.csail.mit.edu> was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 131d 54m 35s ago, saying: 'koen, hi from Tommi'. |
| 21:48.40 | koen | ~seen luc__ |
| 21:48.42 | ibot | luc__ <luccio@cs181028197.pp.htv.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 317d 12m 14s ago, saying: 'good night all.'. |
| 21:49.24 | jurop88 | wow! I didn't know about the bot :-) |
| 21:49.43 | jurop88 | every time something new to know! |
| 21:50.35 | florian | jurop88: ibot is pretty clever... it can do very useful things: |
| 21:50.41 | florian | ~lart Psion |
| 21:51.54 | jurop88 | ~lart Jurop |
| 21:52.06 | jurop88 | AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGHHHHH |
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| 21:55.22 | Philippe | jurop88, good work anyway. Send me more patches :-) |
| 21:55.24 | florian | :-) |
| 21:55.30 | florian | heh |
| 21:56.12 | jurop88 | Philippe: I'll send you the work as soon as I splitted main.c |
| 21:56.33 | jurop88 | I cleaned up a lot, and put a lot of defines to preserve qvga interface |
| 21:57.16 | jurop88 | journal appears now in a separate ListView with its own menu |
| 21:57.31 | jurop88 | you can switch between tasks and journal view |
| 21:57.44 | Philippe | good :-) |
| 21:57.56 | jurop88 | my goal is to have the chance to edit journal items from the journal view |
| 21:58.16 | jurop88 | but now it's the moment to open some curtains |
| 21:58.30 | jurop88 | otherwise the code risks to become unmantainable :-) |
| 22:00.12 | florian | hmm good thinking... |
| 22:01.11 | jurop88 | main.c was 897 lines... |
| 22:01.20 | jurop88 | I dislike it :-) |
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| 22:01.36 | mimecar | hi |
| 22:02.23 | florian | hi mimecar |
| 22:02.42 | mimecar | hey florian |
| 22:02.47 | florian | jurop88: gpsdrive.c has ~14000 lines ;-) |
| 22:03.02 | koen | eeks! |
| 22:03.04 | koen | gpsdrive |
| 22:03.19 | mimecar | florian: with comments or only code ? |
| 22:03.25 | jurop88 | huh! what and headache! |
| 22:03.28 | l1nux | what the video player apps (based xine, or mplayer) for gpe ? |
| 22:03.28 | jurop88 | hi mimecar |
| 22:03.37 | koen | florian: but gpsdrive has everything twice |
| 22:03.41 | mimecar | hi jurop88 |
| 22:03.50 | florian | the cvs version doesn't compile for any non-x86 machine anymore :-/ |
| 22:03.50 | koen | if(pda) {do_something} else {do_something_else} |
| 22:04.25 | florian | iirc the email application for the 770 is _much_ worse. |
| 22:04.27 | Philippe | gpsdrive has almost no comments and really nice descriptive variable names... (like hbox2 hbox2a, hbox2A) |
| 22:05.00 | florian | l1nux: gpe-vlc, gxine... but don't ask me about details. |
| 22:05.18 | koen | mplayer is still your best bet |
| 22:05.19 | l1nux | florian, ok :) |
| 22:05.55 | florian | koen: if it was only this... not only for PDA, _everything_ seems to be there several times. |
| 22:06.03 | l1nux | koen, mplayer play all video format :) |
| 22:06.29 | l1nux | vlc not player wmv and wma |
| 22:06.32 | hrw|tv | l1nux: not all.. wmv1/wmv2 not |
| 22:07.39 | l1nux | Philippe, gpe work fine on h5450, exept battery monitor |
| 22:10.19 | florian | l1nux: which image do you use? |
| 22:11.13 | l1nux | 0.8.3 |
| 22:11.41 | l1nux | with kernel 2.4.x h39 |
| 22:11.54 | Philippe | l1nux, sounds good |
| 22:13.29 | l1nux | Philippe, yes |
| 22:13.32 | l1nux | fine :D |
| 22:14.36 | l1nux | headphone jack, work fine ;) |
| 22:15.52 | l1nux | but need fix battery monitor ): |
| 22:17.21 | Philippe | l1nux, there are some battery monitors that need to go through some learning phase. I do not know if that is the case here. Can anyone confirm that? |
| 22:18.21 | florian | I'm not sure about the h5xxx but that might be true... |
| 22:18.46 | koen | ipkg succeeded to remove itself on my h5550 :( |
| 22:19.13 | l1nux | Philippe, with cat /proc/asic/battery i get battery stat |
| 22:19.21 | jurop88 | just ended in dividing logically gpe-timesheet main.c! |
| 22:19.39 | jurop88 | tomorrow I'll find the time to have a nice cut&paste session |
| 22:19.48 | jurop88 | 'night everybody! |
| 22:19.52 | koen | 'night jurop88 |
| 22:19.59 | Philippe | night jurop88 |
| 22:20.04 | XorA|gon1 | koen: damnation, my memory is going, meant to say, libspreadsheet.so needs to move out of gnumeric-dev into gnumeric, otherwise gnumeric depends on its -dev packages |
| 22:20.16 | koen | XorA|gon1: I noticed |
| 22:20.30 | XorA|gon1 | koen: cool, it kept slipping my mind |
| 22:20.47 | koen | XorA|gon1: I pretend to have never noticed it |
| 22:21.22 | mimecar | I know is OT |
| 22:21.23 | XorA|gon1 | after fixing python packaging |
| 22:21.39 | mimecar | will go anyone to campus party on spain ? |
| 22:23.19 | l1nux | gxine not work :/ |
| 22:24.57 | l1nux | ldd: not found |
| 22:25.04 | hrw|tv | ipkg install ldd |
| 22:25.49 | florian | ldd?! |
| 22:26.06 | l1nux | Philippe, french lang not work :/ |
| 22:26.58 | l1nux | ldd for checking dep.. libs |
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| 22:30.57 | Philippe | l1nux, I do not know how to fix that... |
| 22:36.24 | l1nux | gaim 2.0 work fine :) |
| 22:40.31 | l1nux | no gui for mplayer . |
| 22:40.31 | l1nux | ? |
| 22:41.13 | hrw|tv | let me guess.. localedef problem |
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| 22:44.10 | france | florian: http://handhelds.org/~bugzilla/sanitycheck.cgi |
| 22:44.26 | france | florian: all need to be fixed befor bugzilla can be upgraded. |
| 22:45.24 | florian | france: eeks!! |
| 22:46.09 | france | I am fixing some, but since you are the only working bugzilla maintainer remaining.... :-( |
| 22:46.20 | france | florian: nods |
| 22:46.41 | france | pb_: can you see? http://handhelds.org/~bugzilla/sanitycheck.cgi |
| 22:46.59 | france | pb__: if you can see the output then you have enough privs to fix it. :-D |
| 22:47.24 | florian | france: If you manage to drop irrelevant packages (e.g. i18n packages) it will become faster... and hopefully less. |
| 22:47.54 | france | florian: I was wondering how all those products weere magicly added. Is there a script running amuck? |
| 22:48.13 | florian | heh |
| 22:48.31 | florian | france: i think so... but pb_ might know more. |
| 22:48.40 | koen | france: another magic script, packman, iirc |
| 22:49.39 | pb_ | france: heh, oh dear |
| 22:51.30 | Philippe | night all |
| 22:51.37 | florian | Philippe: good night |
| 22:51.38 | koen | 'night Philippe |
| 22:52.47 | france | we have about 400 fixes before I can upgrade, opps, 399 now, fixed one. |
| 22:55.01 | france | pb_: any idea which script is running amuck? |
| 22:55.37 | pb_ | amuck in what way? |
| 22:55.53 | koen | france: probably http://handhelds.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/tools/packman/ |
| 22:56.06 | france | pb_: we appear to have a ton of products, so many it takes forever for the page to load |
| 22:56.11 | koen | 'Periodically, one of the handhelds.org administrators runs tools/packman/update-bugzilla.py to update the product/component/defaultowner info in the Handhelds.org Bugzilla database.' |
| 22:56.18 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.56 | france | or bugzilla.py ..... |
| 22:57.50 | pb_ | france: there's no automated process that adds them, but they probably did come from update-bugzilla.py. |
| 22:58.04 | france | pb_: nods |
| 22:58.22 | pb_ | fwiw, find-outdated-components.py knows how to remove products that we don't want anymore |
| 22:58.35 | pb_ | it'd be easy enough to teach it to zap all the locale packages, for example |
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| 22:59.15 | pb_ | bugzilla.py is just a library, it doesn't do anything useful in isolation |
| 22:59.27 | france | ahh, |
| 22:59.42 | reenoo | should add a regex blacklist to update-bugzilla.py too I would think |
| 22:59.52 | pb_ | yeah, indeed |
| 23:01.03 | pb_ | as for the sanity-check things, a lot of those look like they stem from a mismatch between bugzilla's configuration and the database |
| 23:01.40 | france | yup, somebody changed the configuration with out fixing the data in the database |
| 23:01.54 | pb_ | unfortunately I don't seem to have the privs to read the configuration files, so I can't really see what's actually going on there |
| 23:02.15 | pb_ | I think the database is most likely correct, and the configuration files are most likely wrong. |
| 23:03.00 | france | pb_: you have 4 bugizlla accounts all with different privs |
| 23:03.27 | pb_ | france: yeah, I mean that I can't read the actual files in /home/bugzilla |
| 23:03.42 | pb_ | not all of the configuration is exposed through the web interface |
| 23:04.19 | pb_ | (and, iirc, none of my bugzilla accounts have the privs to edit the parameters anyway) |
| 23:06.07 | france | pb_: pick a bugzilla account |
| 23:06.20 | pb_ | pb@nexus.co.uk |
| 23:08.41 | france | pb_: try that |
| 23:11.07 | pb_ | thanks, that worked |
| 23:12.25 | france | pb_: welcome |
| 23:13.11 | france | pb_: I can see that the params file was hand edited in /home/bugzilla/data by root, but what was done was not documented in the /root/README file. |
| 23:13.50 | france | pb_: I am trying to validate that the params changed are configurable from the web page. This is the kind of stuff that makes upgrades a pain. |
| 23:14.32 | pb_ | france: ah. |
| 23:15.57 | pb_ | fwiw, I think the stuff in "params" pretty much matches the things you can edit in the web interface; might even be exactly the same. |
| 23:16.09 | pb_ | I can't see into the data directory on handhelds.org; let me have a look at another bugzilla |
| 23:18.11 | france | it appears that OS: All or Platform: All causes an error. |
| 23:18.21 | pb_ | yeah, looks the same |
| 23:18.31 | pb_ | the list of valid os and platform settings is in localconf |
| 23:18.35 | pb_ | er, localconfig |
| 23:19.18 | pb_ | bugzilla generally has "All" in there out of the box, but maybe it was removed on handhelds.org |
| 23:19.58 | pb_ | if so, one could either just put it back, or replace "All" with some other value in the database |
| 23:20.56 | france | @opsys = ("ALL", "Linux", "PocketPC", "PocketPC2002", "Windows"); |
| 23:20.57 | france | # |
| 23:20.57 | france | # What hardware platforms may your products run on? |
| 23:20.57 | france | # |
| 23:20.57 | france | @platforms = ( |
| 23:20.57 | france | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:20.59 | france | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.01 | france | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.05 | france | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.07 | france | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.09 | france | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.11 | france | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.13 | france | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.15 | france | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.17 | france | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.19 | france | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.21 | france | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.25 | france | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.27 | france | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.29 | france | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.31 | france | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.33 | france | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.35 | france | ); |
| 23:22.11 | pb_ | I guess it's probably case sensitive. Try changing "ALL" to "All" and see if the situation improves. |
| 23:22.14 | florian | france: Add the 770 and the hx4700 :-) |
| 23:22.20 | florian | uh and the Simpad! |
| 23:22.30 | koen | and all zaurusses |
| 23:22.33 | koen | and ... |
| 23:22.36 | koen | and ... |
| 23:22.37 | florian | Pizza! |
| 23:22.44 | hrw|tv | and clean up productlist |
| 23:24.37 | france | pb_: cheating, logining to mysql, lets see whats in the db. |
| 23:24.57 | hrw|tv | I would rather change 'sharp zaurus' to 'sharp zaurus 2.4', 'sharp zaurus 2.6' |
| 23:26.35 | france | for bug #2 the platform field is blank in the db |
| 23:27.51 | france | yes, the ones with the sanity check errors for rep_platform value are all blank in the db |
| 23:28.30 | pb_ | okay |
| 23:28.31 | france | I can fix this with an sql statment |
| 23:28.37 | pb_ | in that case, probably easiest to just fix it directly in the databaes |
| 23:28.39 | pb_ | yeah |
| 23:32.18 | koen | 'night all |
| 23:32.40 | florian | koen|sleep: good night |
| 23:34.39 | france | pb_: I know what happened with the platforms field. |
| 23:34.56 | pb_ | france: what was that? |
| 23:35.01 | france | pb_: it appears to be stored as an enum in the database, so if somebody instered something into the middle. |
| 23:35.14 | france | instead of the end of hte list... |
| 23:36.05 | pb_ | mm, right, that would lose. I wouldn't have thought that sanitycheck.cgi would notice, though, it'd just cause the platform values to quietly go wrong. |
| 23:36.39 | france | pb_: the slippery slope of fixing things, I alway find more problems. |
| 23:37.21 | france | pb_: all it would take is some one to delete a platform, to give it funky values, that would return '', when the enum did not resolve right. |
| 23:38.32 | france | pb_: someone put them in nice alphabetical order |
| 23:39.24 | france | pb_: would you like All or Other for the blanks? |
| 23:39.47 | pb_ | let's go for All |
| 23:40.15 | pb_ | nobody really uses the Platform field anyway, afaik, so it might be easiest to just zap it to "All" globally and remove the specific entries. |
| 23:41.43 | france | pb_: there might be scripts in the admin system that muck with it. (maybe) |
| 23:42.16 | pb_ | possibly, but I can't think of any that are likely to. |
| 23:42.22 | france | pb_: the only thing I can think of is for the kernel |
| 23:43.30 | france | update bugs set rep_platform='All' where rep_platform = ''; |
| 23:44.03 | france | Query OK, 461 rows affected (0.08 sec) |
| 23:44.03 | france | Rows matched: 461 Changed: 461 Warnings: 0 |
| 23:45.27 | pb_ | cool |
| 23:45.45 | france | sanity check is much better |
| 23:46.19 | florian | heh, i just found out the same... |
| 23:48.57 | france | next problem bugs 201, 202, 203, 204 and 205 are missing from the db, but have activity entries. |
| 23:49.11 | france | zap the activity entries or add bugs? |
| 23:50.10 | france | I am going to add the bugs as it will fix other errors. |
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