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| 00:08.23 | jurop88 | YEAH! |
| 00:08.34 | jurop88 | gpe-timesheet 0.30 working |
| 00:08.40 | jurop88 | and packaged to maemo deb |
| 00:08.52 | jurop88 | I spent a whole holiday day... |
| 00:08.58 | jurop88 | but it has been well worth! |
| 00:09.28 | jurop88 | now I think that I'll start using it... |
| 00:09.48 | jurop88 | ...and give a clean to the code! |
| 00:10.00 | jurop88 | a main.c of 1000 lines is not the best in readability... |
| 00:14.46 | florian | jurop88: wee! cool! |
| 00:14.59 | jurop88 | hi florian |
| 00:15.08 | jurop88 | but are you the same of florian_kc? |
| 00:15.24 | florian | jurop88: yes :-) |
| 00:15.46 | jurop88 | haaa... so I imagine that kc is @work? |
| 00:16.26 | florian | jurop88: yes right |
| 00:17.05 | jurop88 | hehehe... if you like I can send you both the code and the arm.deb package to publish |
| 00:17.18 | jurop88 | I have no public servers because I am behind a NAT |
| 00:17.32 | jurop88 | and no way to open ports (FastWeb, Italy) |
| 00:17.46 | reenoo | 'night all |
| 00:18.14 | jurop88 | reenoo: 'night |
| 00:19.37 | florian | jurop88: yes - that would be cool, maybe add one line about yourself :-) |
| 00:19.49 | florian | just to have a description... |
| 00:20.16 | jurop88 | nah, I put my name only in a remark in main.c |
| 00:20.24 | jurop88 | I did because i needed it! |
| 00:20.31 | florian | :-) |
| 00:20.39 | jurop88 | but anyway, I think I will continue on this road, I liked it a lot! |
| 00:20.42 | florian | i'll quote you ;-) |
| 00:20.56 | jurop88 | thx |
| 00:21.15 | jurop88 | is it ok for you if I send you a mail with the .deb enclosed? |
| 00:22.05 | jurop88 | still some cleaning to do but it's more than half an hour that the pgm is working in background... |
| 00:22.37 | jurop88 | I tested it for some days prior to the conversion to Hildon and it seemed to work |
| 00:23.39 | jurop88 | next step will be multiple level tasks... |
| 00:23.40 | florian | jurop88: yes sure... |
| 00:23.50 | jurop88 | ...and integration with todo |
| 00:24.04 | florian | uh yes, both things which would rock! |
| 00:24.29 | jurop88 | but first a small cleaning and reingegnerization of procedures ;-) |
| 00:24.40 | jurop88 | i'll send you the mail and then bed |
| 00:24.51 | florian | I wonder if it would be possible to sync this kind of data... |
| 00:25.10 | florian | jurop88: okay - many thanks! |
| 00:25.21 | florian | bed... that would be a good idea. |
| 00:28.05 | jurop88 | I think that the best way should be via scripts that works with SQL |
| 00:28.22 | jurop88 | but I don't know how home programs works |
| 00:28.27 | jurop88 | I never used one! |
| 00:28.45 | jurop88 | Mail sent |
| 00:28.47 | jurop88 | 'night! |
| 00:32.04 | florian | jurop88: good night |
| 00:51.26 | florian | pb__: Finally... i think we have a working version in cvs. |
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| 00:58.24 | france | florian: well done! |
| 01:02.34 | florian | france: the gpe-calendar update? |
| 01:02.49 | france | florian: in cvs |
| 01:03.18 | florian | france: i knew i'd make some americans happy ;-) |
| 01:03.42 | france | :-) |
| 01:07.44 | Rebecca | hmmm.. package manager 0.3 crashes a lot |
| 01:09.00 | france | for me fixing web pages tonight, many of them still say hosted by HP |
| 01:09.04 | florian | ~fischslap me |
| 01:09.41 | florian | ~fishslap me for gpe-package and using german words |
| 01:09.42 | ibot | ACTION slaps florian up side the head with a wet fish for gpe-package and using german words |
| 01:10.30 | florian | Rebecca: that's nasty... if you manage to get a traceback for one of these i think i can fix most of them easily. |
| 01:10.34 | Rebecca | oh.. i didnt realise you made the package manager florian ! sorry |
| 01:10.57 | Rebecca | and the about window was in front of me, lol |
| 01:11.06 | florian | Rebecca: no reason to apologize... i know it needs some care :-) |
| 01:11.50 | Rebecca | i need to learn how to do bug reports properly. whining on irc wont help much |
| 01:15.36 | florian | Rebecca: basically its just to describe what you see and useful information to help isolating the bug. |
| 01:16.52 | florian | for the package manger it is not that easy to describe - many things are involved. but a list of the confgured feeds and what to do to reproduce the bug might help. |
| 01:17.58 | Rebecca | ok |
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| 02:00.15 | florian | good night |
| 02:00.29 | mreimer | night florian. sleep well |
| 02:00.31 | mreimer | all of you |
| 02:00.46 | florian | :-) |
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| 08:49.24 | _law_ | hi |
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| 09:41.38 | koen | hi all |
| 09:42.44 | XorA | morning |
| 09:42.49 | koen | hey XorA |
| 09:42.56 | _law_ | hi XorA koen |
| 09:43.02 | koen | hey _law_ |
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| 10:15.12 | reenoo | morning |
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| 11:30.17 | XorA | koen: know anything about libtool? |
| 11:32.05 | koen | only that it requires arcane rituals to do what you want |
| 11:32.27 | koen | I once added a patch from the *bsd people to add back functionality |
| 11:34.02 | XorA | koen: damnation, I am unable to get gdbm to stage, libtools error messages arent helping me google the answer :-( |
| 11:34.16 | XorA | and without gdbm there is so much stuff wont build |
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| 11:37.16 | koen | hey zecke |
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| 11:44.12 | XorA | ~praise google search |
| 11:44.14 | ibot | All hail google search! |
| 11:44.44 | florian_kc | good morning |
| 11:44.50 | hrw|work | hi florian_kc |
| 11:44.50 | koen | hey florian_kc |
| 11:56.03 | pb__ | zecke: good morning |
| 11:56.04 | pb__ | florian_kc: good morning |
| 11:56.05 | pb__ | dc__: good morning |
| 11:56.37 | zecke | hey |
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| 12:32.57 | _law_ | XorA, have you tried abiword 2.4.2 ? |
| 12:34.18 | XorA | _law_: yes |
| 12:34.36 | _law_ | ERROR: Nothing provides dependency glib |
| 12:34.36 | _law_ | ERROR: dependency glib (for gnome-icon-theme) not satisfied |
| 12:34.41 | _law_ | XorA, any ideas |
| 12:34.55 | XorA | _law_: change that depend to glib-2.0 |
| 12:35.51 | _law_ | XorA, in the abiword .bb ? |
| 12:36.04 | XorA | _law_: in gnome-icon0-theme |
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| 12:49.23 | _law_ | XorA, could you add patches to .dev? |
| 12:56.09 | XorA | _law_: see above, I need to sort out my mt, Ive a lot of patches pending, some neccessary, some just junk |
| 12:56.46 | _law_ | XorA, ah ok |
| 13:09.16 | _law_ | i have written some scripts to turn off/on display on clamshell close/open. autorotate should also work |
| 13:10.24 | hrw|work | XorA: I clean my repo from time to time |
| 13:10.33 | koen | _law_: cool |
| 13:11.04 | XorA | hrw|work: its overdue, Im just busy at work at moment |
| 13:11.38 | hrw|work | sure |
| 13:12.34 | _law_ | will post the scripts later on bugzilla. |
| 13:12.59 | _law_ | my Z works now longer without charing :-) |
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| 13:28.45 | pb__ | charring does sound pretty undesirable |
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| 15:07.16 | florian_kc | pb__: Do you have an opinion what to use to parse .desktop files? |
| 15:08.49 | koen | florian_kc: you could rip out some parts of gnome-desktop |
| 15:10.09 | XorA | ~lart minimo |
| 15:11.20 | pb__ | florian_kc: mm, dunno. libdotdesktop? |
| 15:11.41 | pb__ | ah yes, right, libgpelaunch has that code these days |
| 15:13.13 | XorA | koen: whatever happened to the minimo developer who used to hang here? |
| 15:13.47 | koen | XorA: dougt? I think he's busy with the wince port |
| 15:13.57 | koen | XorA: you could mail dougt@meer.net (iirc) |
| 15:14.49 | florian_kc | pb__: launching is what i want to do in the end anyway :-) |
| 15:15.23 | XorA | koen: currently the build system is trying to pass -m32 to arm-linux-gcc, bugger knows what its upto :-) |
| 15:15.33 | koen | heh |
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| 16:54.56 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 16:55.02 | koen | hey CoreDump|home |
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| 17:00.39 | simcop2387 | gpe 2.8 needs better sync support |
| 17:16.53 | koen | simcop2387: the gpe side of the problem is quite good, it needs a better gui on the desktop |
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| 17:25.37 | Philippe | evening all |
| 17:25.55 | koen | hey Philippe |
| 17:26.15 | Philippe | hey koen |
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| 17:39.21 | reenoo | evening |
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| 17:41.23 | florian_kc | hi reenoo, hi Philippe |
| 17:41.40 | Philippe | hi florian_kc |
| 17:42.22 | mreimer | hello all |
| 17:52.25 | mreimer | koen: ping |
| 17:53.38 | dj_segfault | \join ##php |
| 17:53.48 | dj_segfault | (oops) |
| 17:55.16 | koen | mreimer: pong |
| 17:55.39 | Philippe | brb: time for food |
| 17:56.05 | mreimer | koen: I have some patches to add .bb files for 2.6.13-hh2 and 2.6.15-hh0. Would you mind taking a look at them to make sure I'm not going to break anyone else? |
| 17:56.39 | koen | sure, do you have a patch online? |
| 17:57.20 | mreimer | koen: working one up... |
| 18:04.34 | mreimer | koen, I also have a patch to add udev 0.84 to .oz354fam083. Are you interested in that one? |
| 18:13.42 | mreimer | koen: http://sermons.desiringGod.org/~mreimer/udev-084.patch |
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| 18:18.01 | koen | mreimer: that patch looks ok, but it misses network.sh |
| 18:19.18 | mreimer | oops. is there a monotone command to show what files exist in the working copy but have not been added to the repo? with cvs I would just do an update and look for '?' lines |
| 18:19.51 | koen | monotone list unknown |
| 18:20.00 | mreimer | excellent :-) |
| 18:21.06 | mreimer | koen: should I go ahead and commit udev 0.84 to .oz354fam083? |
| 18:21.55 | koen | could you mark it with DEFAULT_PREFERENCE = -1, till it gets tested on zaurusses as well? |
| 18:22.13 | mreimer | koen: yes |
| 18:26.56 | law_ | same abiword error with 2.4.2 :-( |
| 18:27.16 | law_ | anyone here got this version running? |
| 18:44.57 | mreimer | koen: I committed udev-084 to .oz354fam083 |
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| 18:46.31 | l1nux | hi :) |
| 18:46.48 | l1nux | gpe is ready on H5455 :D |
| 18:47.05 | l1nux | but ! |
| 18:47.08 | l1nux | h3900 login: root |
| 18:47.08 | l1nux | login: no valid shadow password |
| 18:47.20 | l1nux | what the ligin ? |
| 18:47.24 | l1nux | login ? |
| 18:47.58 | Philippe | l1nux, root password is empty... Normally you shouldn't log in as root either |
| 18:48.39 | l1nux | i try login root |
| 18:48.43 | l1nux | i get |
| 18:48.49 | l1nux | login: no valid shadow password |
| 18:49.01 | Philippe | where console? |
| 18:49.13 | l1nux | and i have touch in the ipaq screen |
| 18:49.25 | l1nux | minicom |
| 18:50.05 | Philippe | ok serial console then... normally that should work. Seems something went wrong with your image then... |
| 18:50.13 | Philippe | can you login as a normal user there? |
| 18:52.24 | reenoo | the image was probably ok. you should be prompted for a root password on first boot. until you do that there's no root password set. |
| 18:52.37 | l1nux | is ok :) |
| 18:53.10 | l1nux | i use ipaq screen to add root passwd and username... |
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| 18:55.19 | l1nux | what is paris time zone ? |
| 18:55.43 | koen | CET/MET |
| 18:56.04 | l1nux | ok, thanks koen :) |
| 18:57.40 | mreimer | koen: http://sermons.desiringGod.org/~mreimer/kernel.patch |
| 18:57.44 | mreimer | koen: and |
| 18:57.50 | mreimer | h2200.conf: PREFERRED_VERSION_handhelds-pxa-2.6 = "2.6.15-hh0" |
| 18:59.36 | koen | mreimer: could you add http://pastebin.com/558100 to the kernel .bbs? |
| 18:59.47 | koen | that makes it easier to find the zImage ;) |
| 19:00.18 | mreimer | certainly. I wondered about that. I started with one of the older .bbs |
| 19:01.03 | l1nux | whaaoooo..., network is configured !! |
| 19:01.41 | mreimer | koen: if only we could get update-alternatives to generate a relative symlink, LAB would be a lot happier |
| 19:02.30 | koen | indeed |
| 19:03.46 | l1nux | howto exit minicom ? |
| 19:04.08 | reenoo | mreimer: the one for init? |
| 19:04.51 | mreimer | reenoo: the one for zImage. LAB mounts a fs on, say, /mnt, so if zImage is symlinked absolutely it doesn't point to the right file |
| 19:05.13 | mreimer | koen: ok for me to go ahead and commit those kernel .bbs? |
| 19:06.28 | reenoo | mreimer: ok. if it's a specific file/link you can probably fix/workaround that in an image postprocess call. |
| 19:06.49 | mreimer | reenoo: can you point me to an example? |
| 19:07.03 | mreimer | reenoo: btw have I told you that gpe-screenshot rocks? |
| 19:07.29 | reenoo | mreimer: I think the n770 images nuke the /sbin/init symlink that way |
| 19:07.39 | reenoo | mreimer: yeah, you have. :) |
| 19:07.48 | mreimer | it deserves saying more than once :-) |
| 19:08.29 | mreimer | reenoo: is ROOTFS_POSTPROCESS_COMMAND what you were talking about? |
| 19:09.45 | reenoo | mreimer: sounds about right, yeah. |
| 19:12.23 | mreimer | koen: updated: http://sermons.desiringGod.org/~mreimer/kernel.patch |
| 19:12.47 | l1nux | howto exit mixer ? |
| 19:13.19 | Philippe | l1nux, if you have a theme that does not have the exit button, minimize it and you should get some close button |
| 19:14.13 | l1nux | Philippe, howto minimize it ? |
| 19:15.07 | Philippe | ther should be some button on the top right or left |
| 19:16.23 | reenoo | heh. we should either fix or get rid of broken/incomplete themes like that |
| 19:16.52 | l1nux | Philippe, no button on the top right or left :/ |
| 19:17.08 | l1nux | possible switch theme ? |
| 19:17.53 | Philippe | l1nux, just tap on the top left.. |
| 19:18.18 | koen | mreimer: looks ok, if it doesn't interfere with ipaq-pxa270, go ahead and commit it |
| 19:18.25 | koen|away | bbl |
| 19:18.30 | mreimer | koen, ok thanks |
| 19:18.37 | Philippe | l1nux, this seems to be a bug... |
| 19:19.04 | l1nux | i use 0.8.2 testing :) |
| 19:19.45 | reenoo | Philippe: like I said... the theme is incomplete |
| 19:20.20 | Philippe | reenoo, indeed (I missed that comment, I was a bit distracted) |
| 19:21.55 | reenoo | arguably, we should just pick one or two themes, make them work under all conditions and ship nothing but those in the default images. |
| 19:26.29 | mreimer | reenoo: agreed |
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| 19:30.36 | l1nux | possible set lang to french ? |
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| 19:36.11 | simcop2387 | koen|away: the problem i'm having is i need to sync it to a syncml server, and i can't seem to find a way to do that at all |
| 19:53.26 | pb_ | reenoo: yah, the themes situation is a bit gruesome |
| 19:55.32 | l1nux | the package ekiga not ready yet ? |
| 19:55.40 | l1nux | www.ekiga.org |
| 19:55.55 | pb_ | l1nux: I think it should work to set the language to French from the login screen |
| 19:56.45 | l1nux | pb_, i dont have any other languag in login screen :/ |
| 19:56.54 | l1nux | only english |
| 19:57.01 | pb_ | oh dear |
| 19:57.09 | pb_ | I thought we had English, French and German in the images |
| 19:57.22 | pb_ | try "ipkg install locale-base-fr-fr" |
| 19:57.26 | l1nux | testing ? |
| 19:57.35 | pb_ | 0.8.3-rc, yeah |
| 19:57.41 | l1nux | cool :) |
| 19:57.47 | Philippe | pb_, he uses 0.8.2 testing... so I believe that it is not in there... |
| 19:58.26 | l1nux | ohh.. |
| 19:58.35 | pb_ | oh, right |
| 19:58.41 | pb_ | I'm not sure I even know what "0.8.2 testing" is |
| 19:58.47 | pb_ | whatever it is, I guess it can't be good |
| 19:59.07 | l1nux | Package locale-base-fr-fr (2.3.2+cvs20040726-r15) installed in root is up to date. |
| 20:00.23 | l1nux | but no french lang... :/ |
| 20:01.24 | pb_ | drat |
| 20:01.38 | pb_ | if you do "export LANG=fr_FR" and then start another application from the shell, does it show up in French? |
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| 20:02.16 | reenoo_ | note to self: don't plug in usb bt dongle while system is running |
| 20:03.00 | reenoo_ | (the last thing I received was pb_ talking about the themes situation) |
| 20:03.01 | pb_ | doh |
| 20:04.08 | reenoo_ | yeah, I thought unplugging it was the problem. apparently I was wrong |
| 20:06.59 | reenoo_ | ~stab nautilus |
| 20:07.01 | ibot | ACTION runs at nautilus with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 20:07.56 | reenoo_ | ah, a killall -9 and it works >:) |
| 20:08.04 | l1nux | pb_, "=" not work :/ |
| 20:08.18 | pb_ | oh, drat, that old bug |
| 20:08.25 | pb_ | I think it is fixed in the latest xkbd. try upgrading. |
| 20:09.17 | l1nux | ipkg upgrade dist , |
| 20:09.21 | l1nux | ? |
| 20:10.48 | l1nux | ok, ipkg upgrade :) |
| 20:10.54 | pb_ | yeah, or ipkg upgrade xkbd |
| 20:13.22 | l1nux | i need upgrade all :) |
| 20:17.09 | l1nux | same problem |
| 20:17.23 | l1nux | possible need to restart ? |
| 20:17.33 | l1nux | or reboot |
| 20:19.37 | l1nux | from ssh console, export command not found :/ |
| 20:19.49 | l1nux | "export" |
| 20:20.00 | l1nux | sorry |
| 20:20.03 | l1nux | is done |
| 20:20.06 | l1nux | :) |
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| 20:39.34 | florian | re |
| 20:40.40 | reenoo | pb_: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.1879.png |
| 20:41.16 | l1nux | what about sim carde emplacement in h5455 ? |
| 20:41.29 | pb_ | florian: good evening! |
| 20:41.39 | pb_ | l1nux: there is no support for the sim card slot in linux |
| 20:41.42 | reenoo | (note that gpe-gallery and the rest aren't in the same category) |
| 20:41.46 | reenoo | hey florian |
| 20:41.52 | pb_ | in fact, I think there is no support for the sim card slot in the hardware) |
| 20:42.08 | l1nux | ok |
| 20:42.15 | pb_ | reenoo: is that deliberate? |
| 20:42.35 | l1nux | http://www.pocketpcmag.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19237 |
| 20:42.41 | reenoo | pb_: heh. yeah |
| 20:42.44 | reenoo | Match=AudioVideo;Graphics;Media;Viewer; |
| 20:43.00 | florian | reenoo: oh great! |
| 20:43.54 | pb_ | reenoo: very good :-) |
| 20:43.54 | florian | Then we only need a working audio player :-} |
| 20:44.34 | reenoo | florian: convince my project supervisors I need some vacation and you'll get one |
| 20:44.52 | reenoo | florian: I'm afraid you won't have much luck though |
| 20:44.57 | reenoo | >:) |
| 20:45.14 | florian | reenoo: where do i send a mail to? ;-) |
| 20:45.27 | l1nux | here http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/review/hp-ipaq5455-en.shtml some detail about h5450 |
| 20:46.51 | florian | ~lart t@x for being the most crappy piece of software at all |
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| 20:50.58 | reenoo | florian: I shouldn't be complaining actually. we are doing fun stuff have all the resources we need, etc. I'm just a bit burned out right now. shouldn't have taken that many courses this semester. |
| 21:02.11 | florian | hrm... looking at my todo list makes me cry |
| 21:03.55 | florian | koen|away: ping |
| 21:04.27 | reenoo | patches pushed to .dev |
| 21:05.22 | florian | yeah... /me too - finished assembling this scary baby carrying thingy. :-) |
| 21:08.46 | l1nux | where get recent cross compiler documentation for gpe ? |
| 21:08.47 | florian | If someone else can confirm that the new ipaq-sleep works i'll push it to the release branch. |
| 21:09.43 | florian | l1nux: its not completely finished... http://www.kernelconcepts.de/~fuchs/gpe/doc/devmanual might be useful. |
| 21:10.32 | l1nux | thanks florian :) |
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| 21:11.59 | l1nux | nice :D |
| 21:25.48 | hrw | re |
| 21:28.05 | l1nux | possible install sftp-server ? |
| 21:28.17 | hrw | l1nux: ipkg install openssh-sftp iirc |
| 21:28.31 | florian | jurop88: i'm flooded with much of work, but i put the deb to www.kernelconcepts.de/~fuchs/files/ |
| 21:28.33 | l1nux | thanks :) |
| 21:29.23 | florian | jurop88: with some luck i manage to hack a short blog to archive it at planet.maemo.org :-) |
| 21:37.58 | l1nux | messenger to connect googletalk ? |
| 21:38.08 | l1nux | gaim not work :/ |
| 21:38.09 | hrw | l1nux: gaim? |
| 21:38.21 | hrw | google-talk was not jabber? |
| 21:38.47 | l1nux | is jabber with ssl |
| 21:38.59 | hrw | ah. |
| 21:40.09 | l1nux | i create gaim profile in local debian |
| 21:40.20 | l1nux | but gaim not start |
| 21:40.52 | l1nux | ofcourse choin user.group .gaim |
| 21:40.59 | l1nux | chown |
| 21:41.11 | l1nux | but not start |
| 21:43.47 | florian | eeks! |
| 21:43.49 | florian | NOTE: package glibc-2.3.5+cvs20050627: failed |
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| 21:44.42 | florian | Philippe: from #maemo "<jurop88> i think that's better to have the ok of Philippe, since he's the official mantainer!" |
| 21:45.02 | florian | Philippe: could you take care about this "bug" ? ;-) |
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| 21:50.11 | florian | hi bedboi |
| 21:50.20 | bedboi | hi florian |
| 21:51.47 | florian | bedboi: i just had a nice idea... if we manage to make that gpe-today plugin work on the 770 we could copy some lines from atd ad had a pretty cool solution for scheduled events. |
| 21:52.10 | bedboi | gpe-today works |
| 21:52.20 | bedboi | the home applet doesn't work |
| 21:52.25 | bedboi | (don't know why) |
| 21:52.50 | florian | worst case we copy that skeleton from a working one... |
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| 21:58.34 | jurop88 | 'night everybody! |
| 21:58.38 | jurop88 | florian:thx! |
| 21:59.34 | hrw | could gpe team finally do s/ipaq-sleep/gpe-sleep/ in next version(s)? florian? pb? |
| 22:00.28 | hrw | many zaurus users ask 'why we have ipaq-sleep in oz/gpe? its zaurus not ipaq' and I want to shut them |
| 22:00.46 | florian | jurop88: good night |
| 22:01.01 | hrw | n8 jurop88 |
| 22:01.05 | reenoo | renaming stuff just because someone doesn't like the name is rather pointless |
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| 22:01.32 | hrw | reenoo: sure - but why not to ask? |
| 22:02.08 | l1nux | why web browser is not fast ? |
| 22:02.10 | reenoo | you can ask. but I don't have to support your idea. |
| 22:02.20 | florian | I think about replacing this thing anyway... by something which detects on which platform it is on and reads from a config file what to do there. |
| 22:02.41 | florian | l1nux: because your device is not fast |
| 22:02.49 | hrw | reenoo: and I understand it |
| 22:02.51 | Philippe | florian, I already send him a mail about it. I need to clean it up a little first |
| 22:03.31 | florian | Philippe: but we could announce that package on the ml without code cleanup... |
| 22:03.34 | l1nux | florian, why ie, in wince is fast ? |
| 22:03.39 | pb_ | hrw: ipaq-sleep is not gpe specific. it may not be specific to the ipaq either, but changing it from one misleading name to another is probably not a net win. |
| 22:04.06 | Philippe | l1nux, because it is partially pre-loaded and is stripped of almost everything the original supports... |
| 22:04.06 | hrw | ok |
| 22:04.14 | mreimer | sleepd? |
| 22:04.26 | pb_ | that would be a better name, yeah |
| 22:04.30 | reenoo | sleepd already exists |
| 22:04.40 | pb_ | ah |
| 22:04.53 | Philippe | florian, some of the stuff he did will either break the maemo or GPE stuff. And I need to get some absolute paths out. |
| 22:04.54 | reenoo | (joeyh's apm/acpi daemon) |
| 22:04.55 | florian | sleep-thingy? :-) |
| 22:05.50 | l1nux | Philippe, what browser use opie ? |
| 22:06.25 | Philippe | l1nux, opie uses some stripped down version of konqueror |
| 22:06.44 | Philippe | GPE has gpe-mini-browser |
| 22:07.28 | l1nux | Philippe, work fast ? |
| 22:07.34 | hrw | l1nux: stripped down, old, crappy konqueror which suxx |
| 22:07.50 | reenoo | hrw: no offense intended btw. at least you do ask. I'm a bit err.. uncomfortable with the random patching that's been going on recently. openzaurus MLs aren't appropriate for discussing intrusive OE/GPE changes. |
| 22:07.51 | l1nux | ha ha ha :) |
| 22:07.56 | l1nux | ok :D |
| 22:08.57 | florian | koen: thanks for updating ipaq-sleep |
| 22:09.13 | Philippe | l1nux, it works pretty well. But still needs some extra attention |
| 22:09.27 | florian | This one is expected to fix that problem with light staying dimmed on resume. |
| 22:10.44 | reenoo | hrw: (referring to CoreDump's gpe-dm changes) |
| 22:11.05 | hrw | reenoo: ah.. that once... |
| 22:11.12 | Philippe | florian, that would be a good patch. The 3850 definitely suffers from that problem |
| 22:11.51 | florian | Philippe: yes... iirc all iPAQs were affected. |
| 22:12.13 | hrw | reenoo: was not good solution rather workaround |
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| 22:14.03 | koen | the oz-devel ml could do with some 'ask gpe@handhelds.org' postings |
| 22:14.03 | reenoo | hrw: well. it's yet another thing that can go wrong (and seems likely to do so) on first boot in particular (i.e. before a root pw has been set) |
| 22:16.49 | hrw | I know |
| 22:16.55 | florian | pb_: about #1506... do you think it would be a solution to change the modmap? |
| 22:17.54 | florian | A better solution would be to have multiple config files... and some entitiy to detect the device you are on. |
| 22:22.03 | CoreDump|afk | reenoo: fwiw, in my book gpe-dm's old behaviour was intrusive like hell. Pratically stopping any other LM from having even the slightest hope of working. Forcing oder LM's to ignore Xsession.d as it places gpe-login inside that folder etc, etc, etc. You may exchange the word "intrusive" for something else.... Ah and /e/i/login-manager doesn't care if a root password has been set or not. |
| 22:25.45 | florian | CoreDump|afk: good night |
| 22:25.50 | reenoo | CoreDump|afk: messing with init scripts is fairly intrusive. note that you don't have to use gpe-dm if you don't like what it does. but if you want to change its behaviour (including any init scripts) you'll want to take that up with gpe@ first. |
| 22:26.26 | pb_ | florian: the modmap sounds like a good first step. ought to try to have the same keysyms for the same keys on all ipaqs, as far as that's possible |
| 22:27.09 | pb_ | CoreDump|afk: gpe-dm doesn't place gpe-login anywhere, let alone in Xsession.d |
| 22:27.15 | florian | pb_: okay... then i'll change that in xserver-common |
| 22:27.20 | Philippe | ok, Fosdem stuff done. Let's look at gpe-timesheet again before going to sleep |
| 22:27.30 | florian | Philippe: rock! |
| 22:27.55 | l1nux | any one use gaim in pda ? |
| 22:27.59 | pb_ | florian: rock! |
| 22:28.58 | Philippe | Ouch... He changed quite a lot and went to use the whole width of a 770 screen... And moved everything to a maemo layout... |
| 22:29.14 | pb_ | Philippe: oh dear |
| 22:29.16 | Philippe | good for maemo, but unusable on a 320x240 screen... |
| 22:29.58 | Philippe | There is a lot of interesting work in it, however it will take even more time than I expected to get everything right |
| 22:30.00 | CoreDump|afk | reenoo: you may have noticed that my goal was peaceful coexistence of gpe-dm with other LM's. If you do not care for that situation (as I suspect, it isn't the first time this discussion comes up...) feel free to uncommit, I have stopped caring, really. |
| 22:30.41 | CoreDump|afk | pb_: well, run a find in /etc/X11, do not tell me that gpe-login is unrelated to gpe-dm. |
| 22:31.32 | reenoo | CoreDump|afk: whether I care about that type of thing is a totally different story. this is more of a process thing. |
| 22:31.46 | pb_ | CoreDump|afk: if you don't wish to be told that, I guess it is your prerogative. However, my not telling you doesn't change the essential facts of the matter. |
| 22:33.10 | pb_ | and, irrespective of the relationship between those two packages, gpe-login is installed into Xinit.d and not Xsession.d. |
| 22:34.00 | reenoo | CoreDump|afk: gpe-dm is a gpe core package. gpe@hh.org should have at least a chance of commenting before intrusive changes are applied. |
| 22:37.50 | florian | Philippe: good night |
| 22:38.32 | l1nux | headphone not work for H5455 |
| 22:42.56 | florian | :-/ |
| 22:43.33 | florian | koen: the stable branch doesn't know SRCDATE, right? |
| 22:43.36 | Philippe | night all |
| 22:43.52 | koen | florian: correct |
| 22:44.57 | florian | koen: I currently ran into this... http://bugs.treke.net/show_bug.cgi?id=609#c1 |
| 22:45.16 | florian | i'm just trying the proposed patch ... |
| 22:45.53 | koen | florian: try using the conf/local.conf.familiar-0.8.3 |
| 22:46.11 | koen | that sets the the correct tarballstash containing a correct glibc checkout |
| 22:47.26 | florian | okay... let me try |
| 22:48.41 | koen | you probably need to remove the wrong one from ${DL_DIR} |
| 22:50.37 | florian | koen: right, i just did this... i'll |
| 22:50.54 | florian | but anyway... we need that patch i guess. |
| 22:51.24 | koen | not if people use the correct local.conf |
| 22:52.25 | pb_ | well, "the correct local.conf" is a bit of an oxymoron. that stuff is meant to be... local. |
| 22:52.45 | florian | hmm indeed... imho that bb is just buggy. |
| 22:52.52 | pb_ | someone should just fix the glibc .bb file |
| 22:53.00 | koen | actually it;s |
| 22:53.04 | koen | cvs being crappy |
| 22:53.23 | florian | with the patch mentioned in the bugreport. |
| 22:54.47 | pb_ | koen: that's probably true, but the fact of the matter is that the current .bb file does not work with the current contents of the cvs tree. |
| 22:55.04 | pb_ | it seems unlikely that the cvs tree is likely to change in such a way that the current .bb file starts working again. |
| 22:56.02 | pb_ | so, I think the inescapable conclusion is that the .bb file must either be changed, or one must be resigned to its remaining broken in perpetuity. |
| 22:56.10 | koen | pb_: the .bb works perfectly fine with the supplied config for familiar and OZ, which are the only 2 supported options |
| 22:56.23 | koen | that's why that patch is way down on my todo list |
| 22:56.51 | florian | Looking at the patch i don't see how that ever worked... |
| 22:58.06 | pb_ | koen: ah, I wasn't aware that OE existed only to support familiar and openzaurus. |
| 22:58.37 | pb_ | I guess I am a bit out of touch with what's going on in that area. |
| 22:58.47 | florian | heh |
| 22:59.06 | florian | pb_: I had a longer discussion about this last night... |
| 22:59.09 | hrw | hmm.. then why I'm using OE for my wrt54? |
| 22:59.09 | koen | pb_: the .oz354fam083 branch only serves that purpose |
| 22:59.31 | florian | NOTE: package glibc-2.3.5+cvs20050627-r1: task do_compile: started |
| 23:00.19 | pb_ | koen: ah, okay. it's fixed in the trunk, and just hasn't been merged to the branch yet? |
| 23:00.37 | pb_ | I guess that is fair enough, though merging the fix seems preferable to requiring people to use a specialized local.conf. |
| 23:00.39 | koen | pb_: that's how I remember it |
| 23:01.08 | florian | Yes.. that patch needs a small modification to work in the branch. |
| 23:01.18 | koen | you need said specialized local.conf to build stuff for familiar |
| 23:01.28 | koen | (and OZ) |
| 23:01.43 | pb_ | really? why's that? |
| 23:01.58 | pb_ | I would have thought that the required definitions should be in the DISTRO.conf file. |
| 23:02.31 | hrw | koen: I moved most of things into distro conf - need to push it |
| 23:05.52 | pb_ | florian: heh, what was the outcome of your longer discussion? |
| 23:07.13 | florian | pb_: it wasn't that clear :-} but i guess both france and me enjoyed it... |
| 23:07.26 | reenoo | heh |
| 23:07.33 | pb_ | florian: aha :-) |
| 23:07.39 | florian | At least i started to think about several issues since this time... |
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| 23:10.41 | koen | 'night all |
| 23:10.47 | florian | koen|sleep: good night |
| 23:11.18 | koen|sleep | florian: if you can make that patch work for the branch, please push it |
| 23:11.49 | hrw | gpe-calendar on vga looks a bit weird when it is not maximized: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.17919.png |
| 23:11.58 | florian | koen|sleep: i have it working, pushing in some minutes... |
| 23:12.27 | pb_ | or, alternatively (and maybe preferably), just change the first entry in SRC_URI to point to a tarball that works, rather than cvs://. |
| 23:13.09 | reenoo | heh. fwiw, we still don't have a signed source archive |
| 23:13.36 | koen|sleep | http://familiar.handhelds.org/source/v0.8.3/glibc-2.3.5+cvs20050627.orig.tar.gz <- like that one? |
| 23:13.46 | koen|sleep | or http://familiar.handhelds.org/source/v0.8.3/libc_sources.redhat.com__20050627.tar.gz ? |
| 23:14.06 | reenoo | ah, that would probably do |
| 23:14.24 | reenoo | bleh |
| 23:14.27 | koen|sleep | not signed, but it is a tarball |
| 23:14.28 | reenoo | ~lart mallum |
| 23:14.37 | reenoo | $ grep -r Utilities * |
| 23:14.37 | reenoo | applets/mb-applet-menu-launcher.c: menu_panel = mb_menu_add_path(app_data->mbmenu, "Utilities/Panel" , NULL, MBMENU_NO_SORT ); |
| 23:15.09 | reenoo | "Utilities" proves to be hard to kill |
| 23:15.31 | florian | :-/ |
| 23:17.33 | pb_ | oh dear |
| 23:17.34 | l1nux | my gpe is crashed :/ |
| 23:18.16 | l1nux | i remove battery, and restart it |
| 23:18.43 | l1nux | but i get only gpe 2.6 logo |
| 23:18.53 | florian | hrw: it should default to have a bigger window... but i wonder why someone wants to use movable windows with a touchscreen at 640x480 anyway. |
| 23:19.36 | hrw | florian: I wonder too but know that people use it |
| 23:19.43 | l1nux | how to fix it ? |
| 23:20.50 | florian | l1nux: what did you do? |
| 23:21.01 | reenoo | pb_: the Utilities/Panel stuff allows adding applets to the panel which seems a bit redundant. move to Other or get rid of it? |
| 23:21.36 | pb_ | get rid of it, I think |
| 23:21.47 | l1nux | florian, remove gaim, and linphone |
| 23:22.05 | l1nux | with ssh |
| 23:22.09 | l1nux | console |
| 23:22.13 | reenoo | pb_: ok. that will take a bit longer though ;) |
| 23:22.15 | pb_ | the only time you wouldn't be able to access the panel's own menu would be if it was already full, and in that situation you can't (by definition) add anything. |
| 23:22.38 | reenoo | pb_: yeah. that's what I thought as well. |
| 23:23.25 | pb_ | it'd be a bit different if the panel supported scrolling or stacking when it was over-full, but from what I remember it doesn't do any of that stuff. |
| 23:23.59 | florian | l1nux: that shouldn't do any harm... do you have a serial console to find out what's going on? |
| 23:24.58 | l1nux | no, i dont have access with ssh consolev :/ |
| 23:25.53 | florian | without a serial console it will be hard to debug this... |
| 23:26.05 | florian | unless network comes up properly. |
| 23:27.23 | l1nux | ): |
| 23:27.42 | l1nux | possible connect wit minicom ? |
| 23:29.17 | florian | l1nux: If you have a serial cradle or serial cable, yes. |
| 23:29.48 | l1nux | ok |
| 23:29.49 | reenoo | pb_: actually, I think mallum at least started implementing something like that. I don't know the current state of his attempts. |
| 23:30.28 | reenoo | pb_: I'm going to make disabling this configurable at runtime (an env var will probably do). |
| 23:32.33 | florian | pb_: I released a new xserver-common with a fixed modmap for hx4700. |
| 23:32.39 | pb_ | florian: excellent |
| 23:32.58 | pb_ | as for mallum, yeah, I guess he has his work cut out doing his nokia stuff |
| 23:34.23 | l1nux | florian, howto access with minicom ? |
| 23:35.28 | florian | pb_: any idea what he is currently doing for them? |
| 23:35.36 | l1nux | 00000A40 A4000C0A |
| 23:35.36 | l1nux | 00000E00 E0000C02 |
| 23:35.36 | l1nux | Uncompressing Linux........................................... done, booting the kernel. |
| 23:35.56 | l1nux | with gpe 2.6 logo |
| 23:36.01 | pb_ | florian: actually no, I have no idea. I haven't spoken to him for ages. |
| 23:36.08 | l1nux | in ipaq screen |
| 23:36.34 | florian | l1nux: ah - press the space key to enter the bootloader console after reset. |
| 23:37.06 | florian | l1nux: the "params" command will show you the setting of "linuxargs" |
| 23:37.19 | florian | copy that value and do a |
| 23:37.38 | reenoo | florian: he appears to be busy writing "matchbox-window-manager-2" according to the o-hand svn repo |
| 23:38.11 | florian | set linuxargs = <whatever that line is> but change ttySA0 to ttyS0 |
| 23:38.48 | l1nux | normal reset ? |
| 23:39.15 | florian | reenoo: hmm... i should take a look, but i wonder what features it will have. |
| 23:39.27 | florian | l1nux: yes |
| 23:39.31 | l1nux | ok |
| 23:41.20 | l1nux | boot> promt |
| 23:41.40 | *** join/#gpe FortMax (n=aperez@pool-71-250-152-136.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) |
| 23:41.44 | l1nux | whats is next ? |
| 23:41.59 | l1nux | FLASH_BASE=00000000 |
| 23:41.59 | l1nux | PXA: Evacuating 1MB of Flash to DRAM at: A3E00000 |
| 23:41.59 | l1nux | done |
| 23:42.05 | l1nux | Map Flash virtual section to DRAM at: A3E00000 |
| 23:42.09 | l1nux | 00000000 A3E00C0A |
| 23:42.12 | l1nux | .... |
| 23:42.15 | l1nux | boot> |
| 23:42.24 | l1nux | next ? |
| 23:42.47 | florian | params |
| 23:43.15 | l1nux | is big |
| 23:43.20 | reenoo | 'night all |
| 23:43.30 | mreimer | night reenoo |
| 23:44.12 | l1nux | florian, possible install stable version ? |
| 23:48.39 | florian | l1nux: obviously you damaged something... these things are not likely to happen suddenly. |
| 23:48.50 | florian | l1nux: see above... |
| 23:49.01 | florian | reenoo: good night |
| 23:53.39 | florian | hi france |
| 23:55.35 | france | florian: hi |
| 23:57.49 | l1nux | florian, Ymodem sectors/kbytes sent: 41700/52600... |
