| 00:05.17 | pb_ | florian: great! |
| 00:06.01 | florian | syncing with ewi, vanille.de doesn't respond |
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| 00:06.17 | florian | ~lart imap |
| 00:06.57 | pb_ | doh |
| 00:12.35 | pb_ | night all |
| 00:12.42 | poli | night pb |
| 00:12.43 | mreimer | night pb |
| 00:12.47 | florian | pb_: good night |
| 00:18.13 | reenoo | 'night pb_ |
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| 00:28.26 | reenoo|zZzZ | 'night all |
| 00:29.43 | florian | reenoo|zZzZ: GOOD NIGHT |
| 00:29.47 | florian | oops |
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| 00:36.13 | florian | hello jg_ |
| 00:39.44 | koen|away | hey florian |
| 00:39.46 | koen|away | hey jg_ |
| 00:40.05 | florian | koen: wb |
| 00:40.15 | jg_ | koen, florian hi. |
| 00:42.17 | koen | florian: I remember that we patched the fontconfig local.conf a while ago to enable subpixel AA |
| 00:42.39 | mreimer | good sleuthing florian |
| 00:43.27 | koen | florian: So I'm a bit lost why it's suddenly bogus |
| 00:43.37 | mreimer | koen, while you're at it, how about merging http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=381 to oz354fam083? |
| 00:44.51 | florian | koen: it sets it fixed to a particular value which is wrong on most platforms. without it it takes the setting passed to the server in the Xserver script, |
| 00:45.25 | koen | florian: http://oe-devel.bkbits.net:8080/openembedded/hist/packages/fontconfig/fontconfig_2.2.95.bb?nav=index.html|src/.|src/packages|src/packages/fontconfig |
| 00:45.28 | florian | koen: mreimer could tell the whole story from his hx4700 |
| 00:46.20 | mreimer | I don't know the details, but yeah, pb said what florian said. local.conf and Xfbdev -rgba rgb evidently clash |
| 00:46.36 | mreimer | so pb_ said just set it on the Xserver cmdline |
| 00:46.42 | koen | ah, ok |
| 00:47.34 | florian | ah i remember... that setting in Xserver didn't work before because kdrive expects these arguments in a special order... |
| 00:48.57 | mreimer | pb_ said the -rgba argument needed to appear before -screen, or some such |
| 00:49.40 | koen | yeah, I pushed the new xserver-common to .ozfam |
| 00:50.56 | mreimer | koen, I'm pretty sure I already committed bug 381 to .dev. For once I did it in the right order |
| 00:53.52 | koen | ok |
| 00:56.21 | koen | people with messed up fonts and/or wrong sound permissions with familiar: ipkg update ; ipkg upgrade |
| 00:56.45 | florian | koen: oh cool |
| 00:59.36 | koen | still too many bugs: handhelds.org:/home/ftp/distributions/familiar/releases/v0.8.3/feed/ |
| 00:59.49 | koen | but a nice batch got squashed today |
| 01:01.27 | florian | yep.. we are getting closer. i think i have a fix for the syncing issues now... |
| 01:01.38 | florian | we just need a new release. |
| 01:01.42 | koen | florian: what was the error? |
| 01:03.18 | florian | koen: martin fixed a "minor issue" which caused syncing to fail completely. |
| 01:03.24 | koen | D'oh |
| 01:03.53 | koen | mreimer: which program is that with all the hebrew? |
| 01:04.07 | koen | I think I already asked, but I forgot |
| 01:04.09 | mreimer | it's a python program I wrote. |
| 01:04.13 | koen | aha |
| 01:04.14 | mreimer | I should work up a .bb sometime |
| 01:04.39 | mreimer | it's probably ugly because it's my first python program |
| 01:04.53 | mreimer | you're welcome to a copy if you'd like |
| 01:05.14 | koen | I added gnome-sword to OE a while back on request, so I got a nice idea for some good PR :) |
| 01:05.21 | mreimer | :-) |
| 01:06.01 | mreimer | koen, you might also want to merge over gpe-bootsplash_1.15.bb 7a7a7b77dc6e8829e4d9d213431730e12a84aa0b |
| 01:06.12 | mreimer | committed to dev 20060127 |
| 01:06.21 | mreimer | it fixes a couple of errors on boot |
| 01:06.29 | mreimer | chvt, no /dev/fb/0 |
| 01:07.32 | florian | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.28265.png |
| 01:07.48 | mreimer | yay florian |
| 01:09.43 | koen | now if gpe-calendar would not display 24 hours but say, 9 I would be very happy |
| 01:10.46 | koen | some xsettings knob to tell it how many hours it should display would be best |
| 01:10.48 | florian | hmm yes |
| 01:11.26 | florian | hmm... not perfect, but its working... and even better - i could run the UI on the NBP instead of my laptop |
| 01:12.16 | koen | commit the fix and poke me to move the cvsdate for gpesyncd forward :) |
| 01:12.32 | koen | mreimer: there you go (see #oe) |
| 01:12.39 | mreimer | thanks koen |
| 01:12.53 | florian | I'd really like to see the sync gui on the PDA and only ssh on the peer... |
| 01:13.09 | mreimer | koen, one more for you wrt irdautils: it applies for hx4700 as well. I'll update and generate another patch |
| 01:13.17 | florian | or a socket connection to sync with a cellphone. |
| 01:13.28 | mreimer | cf what I committed to .dev; the patch in the bug was a little behind |
| 01:13.39 | koen | wowm |
| 01:13.50 | koen | -Os saves >500k on h3600 |
| 01:13.58 | mreimer | wow is right |
| 01:14.22 | mreimer | florian, while we're asking for features: is it possible to make the view position stay the same when paging back/forward? E.g. I want to see what I'm doing for lunch every day this week, so I scroll so lunch is in view, then tap forward/backward on the day arrow to check each day. Right now, the view position changes so I have to scroll back down to lunch every time I go back/forward a day |
| 01:14.26 | florian | hmm... |
| 01:15.11 | florian | koen: thats quite a lot |
| 01:15.17 | CoreDump|home | anyone got a spare 200G SATA disk lying around? :\ |
| 01:15.45 | florian | mreimer: that would be useful indeed, maybe paste this to a bugreport and assign it to me. |
| 01:15.51 | mreimer | ok |
| 01:15.55 | mreimer | thanks for being so responsive |
| 01:15.59 | mreimer | you must love what you do :-) |
| 01:16.21 | koen | CoreDump|home: my biggest single disk is 120G |
| 01:17.03 | koen | and PATA |
| 01:17.08 | florian | yes indeed... |
| 01:17.10 | CoreDump|home | heh, well. A WD disc just bit the dust |
| 01:17.16 | CoreDump|home | disk even |
| 01:17.17 | mreimer | of course, it's WD |
| 01:17.25 | mreimer | WMD? |
| 01:17.33 | CoreDump|home | stupid me for buying this crap |
| 01:18.06 | florian | I heared quite some complains about WD this week... |
| 01:18.29 | florian | ...the company we share a building with sells this kind of stuff. |
| 01:18.30 | CoreDump|home | the replacement is going to be a Seagate |
| 01:19.14 | koen | the network guys over here like maxtor disks |
| 01:19.18 | CoreDump|home | at least I didn't loose any data |
| 01:19.32 | CoreDump|home | koen: got 3 of those. No problems, yet |
| 01:20.06 | koen | their mirror (http://ftp.snt.utwente.nl/pub/linux/handhelds.org/) breaks them inside warranty |
| 01:22.14 | CoreDump|home | I probably should upgrade to kernel 2.6.15 to at least be able to read SMART data from SATA |
| 01:23.22 | koen | heh |
| 01:23.34 | koen | we europeans should go to sleep now ;) |
| 01:23.50 | koen | florian: libgpevtype 0.15 is in the feeds |
| 01:24.05 | florian | let me check in the fixed bb fist |
| 01:24.08 | florian | uh |
| 01:24.10 | florian | heh |
| 01:24.39 | florian | koen: did you checkk in a bb already? |
| 01:24.57 | koen | not yet |
| 01:25.52 | florian | koen: then let me push my one, i did some cleanups and added a maintainer. |
| 01:26.03 | koen | okidoki |
| 01:26.41 | mreimer | can one of you merge gpe-nmf 0.22? it has a segfault fix |
| 01:27.11 | koen | remind me tomorrow/later today |
| 01:27.14 | mreimer | ok |
| 01:27.18 | koen | 'night all |
| 01:27.19 | florian | oh right, that would be important... i forgot about that. |
| 01:27.22 | mreimer | night koen. thanks |
| 01:27.24 | florian | koen: good night |
| 01:27.57 | florian | ibot: botmail for koen: reminder: Mere in fix for gpe-nmf 0.22 from .dev |
| 01:32.07 | florian | hmm.. sleep - i'm still at university |
| 01:32.24 | florian | My new contact was synced properly too... |
| 01:32.26 | florian | ... but nasty messages on the console. |
| 01:38.38 | mreimer | florian: messages about double-free? that's what I see on FreeBSD |
| 01:40.44 | florian | mreimer: no... thing s like " invalid character found in attribute group/name:" or "Error found in modify" or "Couldn't commit contact: (null)" |
| 01:40.52 | mreimer | haven't seen that one |
| 01:40.54 | mreimer | sounds like fun |
| 01:42.34 | florian | indeed... but the results looked pretty good. only some nasty questions because of duplicates which are none... |
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| 02:04.35 | florian | good night |
| 02:05.39 | mreimer | night florian |
| 02:05.46 | CoreDump|home | n8 florian |
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| 04:29.20 | poli | monotone gives me the creeps |
| 04:40.14 | shadows | howso? |
| 04:44.12 | poli | Like this: "NOTE: This will take a VERY long time (hours, if not days) when run for the first time." |
| 04:44.23 | shadows | oh that |
| 04:44.27 | shadows | are you pulling from OE? |
| 04:44.47 | poli | No, not really. But that is creep enough only to know of. |
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| 11:31.17 | pb_ | zecke: good morning |
| 11:31.52 | zecke | hey |
| 11:33.01 | LoneStar | does gpe compile on x86? |
| 11:35.27 | moray | yes |
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| 12:24.40 | koen | bleh |
| 12:24.46 | koen | another serious ipkg bug |
| 12:28.11 | poli | Doesn't monotone have the ability to "cache" all the previous patches at some point? |
| 12:28.23 | koen | ? |
| 12:28.31 | koen | everything is in your local .db |
| 12:28.55 | poli | So my local .db is a exact copy of the repository? |
| 12:29.11 | koen | it should be |
| 12:30.11 | poli | Oh... I am really a arch user, the way monotone does things is quite new for me. :) |
| 12:33.02 | poli | One more thing... Are there any ebook readers other than Plucker available? Plucker seems unable to change font size and it gets vey hard to read on the 4700's VGA. :( |
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| 12:33.27 | koen | fbreader would be an alternative |
| 12:33.38 | koen | but I don't know if anyone added that to OE already |
| 12:34.09 | rob_w | i m confused ,. i brake on libart-lgpl .. but cant find its bb file at all ...?? where is this hidden ? |
| 12:34.11 | poli | I was just looking at fbreader right now. Seems a nice alternative, yes. |
| 12:34.35 | koen | rob_w: try packages/gnome |
| 12:35.04 | poli | And about RSS readers, any other than plucker itself? |
| 12:35.05 | rob_w | thnaks |
| 12:35.26 | koen | afaik plucker doesn't to rss |
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| 12:35.41 | koen | I haven't found any lightweight rss readers yet |
| 12:36.36 | poli | I read something about plucker-desktop being able to process RSS into plucker's format. |
| 12:37.04 | koen | nice |
| 12:37.22 | koen|way | bbl |
| 12:37.27 | poli | Yes, but still unreadable in the 4700 :( |
| 12:39.51 | rob_w | ah thats why ,, libart-lgpl misses the approbiate mipsel dir |
| 12:40.43 | rob_w | the one`s who can read are in advantage |
| 12:43.27 | pb_ | I wonder how well something like blam would work on a handheld. I don't think it's all that heavyweight. |
| 12:44.36 | rob_w | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.40 | rob_w | shit |
| 12:45.03 | rob_w | that cracked osb-jscore |
| 12:55.04 | Philippe | rob_w, there should be a patch for that in OE |
| 12:55.07 | Philippe | hello all |
| 12:56.09 | Philippe | rob_w, and make sure you use the same cvs date as in OE. Things even got a bit messier afterwards... |
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| 13:08.29 | pb_ | hi philippe |
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| 13:16.54 | alan_ | hi all |
| 13:17.17 | alan_ | i'm in trouble with gpe-aerial and prismstumbler |
| 13:17.31 | alan_ | it tries to use eth0 instead of wlan0 |
| 13:18.44 | alan_ | my wifi card is a Asus Spacelink wl 110, i use it on a zaurus sl-c750, with openzaurus 3.5.4test2 and a 2.6.14-rc1 kernel |
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| 13:19.32 | alan_ | hostap, hostap_cs & hostap_crypt_wep modules are loaded |
| 13:21.32 | alan_ | ~seen florian |
| 13:21.35 | ibot | florian <n=fuchs@dyn-209-1.physik.uni-siegen.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 11h 17m ago, saying: 'good night'. |
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| 13:37.59 | florian | good morning |
| 13:38.04 | pb_ | florian: good morning! |
| 13:40.17 | alan_ | hi florian |
| 13:40.59 | alan_ | florian: i've been told you could help me |
| 13:41.05 | alan_ | i'm in trouble with gpe-aerial and prismstumbler |
| 13:41.24 | florian | alan_: maybe... on which device |
| 13:41.34 | alan_ | my wifi card is a Asus Spacelink wl 110, i use it on a zaurus sl-c750, with openzaurus 3.5.4test2 and a 2.6.14-rc1 kernel |
| 13:41.54 | alan_ | it tries to use eth0 instead of wlan0 |
| 13:42.06 | alan_ | hostap, hostap_cs & hostap_crypt_wep modules are loaded |
| 13:44.01 | florian | Hrm... sounds like the device detection fails. |
| 13:44.58 | alan_ | too bad... |
| 13:45.18 | alan_ | any luck detection can be forced ? |
| 13:46.58 | florian | Not yet... or not with gpe-aerial at least. But i'm working on a new release anyway so i hope that i can reproduce this with my devices here... |
| 13:48.02 | alan_ | ok, great |
| 13:49.06 | alan_ | i tried to specify to prismstumbler to use wlan0 interface, but it complains bout not being able to use "wlan" interface |
| 13:50.19 | florian | hmm nasty, i wonder what caused this effect... thats 0.7.3? |
| 13:50.27 | alan_ | i think so |
| 13:52.02 | alan_ | "Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : set failed on device eth1 ; no such device. |
| 13:52.36 | florian | alan_: does "iwlist scan" work? |
| 13:53.07 | alan_ | yep |
| 13:54.07 | alan_ | net connection works fine too, btw |
| 13:56.06 | alan_ | just that i'm collecting bugs for OZ 3.5.4 |
| 13:59.12 | florian | good... i hope i can reproduce this. |
| 13:59.20 | florian | alan_: a bug report would be nice |
| 14:00.00 | alan_ | ok,... err... well, depends on the report system you want me to use :/ |
| 14:00.21 | pb_ | florian: do you happen to know what the status of shiyee's gaim work is? I was wondering whether this would be worth including in the 0.8.3 images. |
| 14:00.44 | pb_ | right now, there is 11MB of space free on h3900, so we might as well try to put some more cool software in there. |
| 14:01.20 | florian | alan_: bugzills :-} |
| 14:01.20 | alan_ | trecke doesn't seem to accept guest/guest, and passwords can only be sent by bugs.openembedded.org which is down :/ |
| 14:01.35 | alan_ | florian: ok |
| 14:01.40 | pb_ | alan_: bugs.openembedded.org is the same as bugs.treke.net |
| 14:01.43 | florian | alan_: maybe just use handhelds.org bugzilla |
| 14:02.15 | pb_ | but, yeah, handhelds.org bugzilla would be better anyway |
| 14:02.28 | florian | pb_: I haven't tried it for a while, but from what i know it is pretty useful... |
| 14:02.33 | florian | hmm wait |
| 14:02.43 | alan_ | pb_: when i ask for a new password, i'm sent a mail which points to bugs.openembedded.org, which is down :/ |
| 14:02.44 | florian | I used some weeks ago on my simpad... |
| 14:02.58 | pb_ | alan_: that's fine, just substitute bugs.treke.net for bugs.openembedded.org when you act on the mail |
| 14:03.20 | pb_ | or add bugs.openembedded.org to your /etc/hosts file |
| 14:03.31 | pb_ | the site itself isn't down, it's just that the dns records are broken |
| 14:03.38 | alan_ | haa |
| 14:04.34 | florian | I'm going to try some stuff on various devices anyway, so i can take a look at Gaim too. |
| 14:04.41 | pb_ | great |
| 14:06.50 | florian | Apart from some housework i intend to take a look at Multisync to make it a little bit more useful. |
| 14:07.14 | pb_ | even better! |
| 14:07.54 | florian | Updating libgpevtype in OE syncing started to work... |
| 14:08.13 | florian | I wonder why it took me that long :-/ |
| 14:10.46 | pb_ | yeah, it seems that we have been making good progress with fixing bugs over the past few days |
| 14:10.58 | pb_ | I think there are now more closed bugs than open ones in the 1334 list. |
| 14:11.27 | florian | Yes indeed... |
| 14:12.09 | florian | We need to build a SDK package matching the stuff in the release too, but that shhould be easy. |
| 14:12.16 | pb_ | yup |
| 14:16.10 | alan_ | florian: bug report sent |
| 14:16.18 | alan_ | thanks for infos |
| 14:16.18 | florian | alan_: many thanks |
| 14:16.41 | pb_ | It's a shame we still lack a decent email client for GPE. I was thinking this morning that maybe we should offer a bounty to someone for creating a new UI for Sylpheed or something. |
| 14:17.21 | florian | yeah |
| 14:19.22 | florian | With a little bit of luck we might get some help by one of our customers... but i'm not sure. |
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| 14:21.12 | pb_ | that would be neat |
| 14:22.10 | florian | yep... i'll try to get more details next week. |
| 14:27.34 | pb_ | cool |
| 14:27.58 | pb_ | I imagine there are lots of other things that could usefully be offered as bounties. We should make a list. |
| 14:28.27 | florian | hmm indeed... |
| 14:29.03 | alan_ | is there a way to change the icon set ? i really don't like at all the default one... |
| 14:29.13 | pb_ | syncing with MS-Outlook is the other obvious one that comes to mind |
| 14:29.27 | pb_ | alan_: which icons do you mean? |
| 14:29.32 | florian | Hrm... our new IMAP server is much faster than the old one but i wonder why i have a pile of broken folder entries :-/ |
| 14:29.43 | alan_ | pb : well... almost all... |
| 14:30.14 | pb_ | window decorations, desktop icons, gtk icons, ...? |
| 14:30.26 | alan_ | ho ! desktop icons, i meant |
| 14:30.28 | alan_ | sorry |
| 14:30.46 | alan_ | window decorations are great, btw |
| 14:30.50 | florian | They are themable... |
| 14:30.53 | alan_ | haaa |
| 14:31.13 | pb_ | yeah, you just need to put the replacement icons in some appropriate directory |
| 14:31.16 | florian | The Industrial theme should have its own ones e.g. |
| 14:31.25 | pb_ | I'm not sure offhand which directory that would be, but I guess it is somewhere in /usr/share/themes/ |
| 14:31.43 | alan_ | and where can i get some themes ? |
| 14:31.46 | pb_ | florian: I don't think it does anymore. iirc, we removed those from the image because they were too big |
| 14:31.56 | florian | oh |
| 14:32.56 | florian | pb_: Application manager updates and a GTK based panel world be other tasks. |
| 14:33.11 | pb_ | right |
| 14:34.22 | alan_ | while i'm asking about obvious problems, is there a way to set the height of virtual Keyboard/Rosetta ? |
| 14:34.47 | florian | I'd like to see a similar thing like we had on the nbp... with tabs and one for status information. |
| 14:35.24 | pb_ | I wonder how much each of these would be worth. outlook-sync and email seem like they should be about $1000; application manager and the panel maybe about half of that. |
| 14:35.47 | florian | alan_: I have some fear this might be a missing feature... |
| 14:36.27 | florian | alan_: File a bug and assign it to Ole, i'll see him monday an can kick hima little bit ;-) |
| 14:36.29 | alan_ | ok... well, the good point is that explain why i didn't find any info about this ^^ |
| 14:36.35 | pb_ | ah, the extra Industrial icons are in matchbox-themes-extra-industrial |
| 14:36.43 | alan_ | florian: okay |
| 14:36.58 | pb_ | but, annoyingly, that package overlaps with gpe-theme-industrial and consequently isn't (easily) installable |
| 14:37.10 | pb_ | this seems like an unfortunate state of affairs |
| 14:37.42 | pb_ | florian: right, yes, that sort of tab arrangement would be useful |
| 14:37.46 | florian | pb_: hmm yes.. |
| 14:38.45 | florian | pb_: For that info tab we could use libgpeplugin so that - if we are really keen - might be able to add some tool to place plugins there some time. |
| 14:39.03 | pb_ | right |
| 14:39.13 | pb_ | I've never really looked at libgpeplugin. I should check it out. |
| 14:40.19 | florian | I didn't do that much with it too, but it seems to work for the plugin based gpe-today bedboi created. |
| 14:41.35 | alan_ | florian: The name Ole is not a valid username. Either you misspelled it, or the person has not registered for a Bugzilla account. |
| 14:42.40 | florian | alan_: eh yes, that might be just ole.reinhardt@kernelconcepts.de. |
| 14:43.28 | alan_ | Bug 1517 has been added to the database |
| 14:43.33 | pb_ | very good |
| 14:43.48 | alan_ | so sorry i can't code anything myself :/ |
| 14:43.53 | Philippe | mhh bounties... |
| 14:44.31 | alan_ | i'm beginning to start i should have learned programming instead of philosophy ;-p |
| 14:44.34 | Philippe | for the e-mail client, it seems some gnome guy is working on a light-weight mail client for the 770, we could maybe convince him that it would be useful to GPE |
| 14:45.13 | pb_ | sounds good |
| 14:45.26 | florian | alan_: That might be a pretty good combination :-) But you can teach yourself most of the things... |
| 14:45.38 | pb_ | perhaps what we really need is a kind of unified messaging thing: email, sms and IM all in a common interface. |
| 14:46.28 | florian | Philippe: Oh - that would be pretty cool. |
| 14:46.36 | florian | Philippe: Do you know who? |
| 14:47.37 | florian | pb_: That would be cool, but Gaim is a good example to demonstrae that it isn't that easy to create a good UI for that stuff. |
| 14:47.52 | pb_ | yeah, true |
| 14:48.10 | pb_ | I guess separate applications would be the way to start |
| 14:48.44 | Philippe | florian, http://pvanhoof.be/blog/ |
| 14:48.46 | pb_ | ah, and of course "make gpe-nmf work" would be another obvious bounty candidate. |
| 14:48.46 | pb_ | heh |
| 14:49.05 | florian | hehe |
| 14:50.27 | pb_ | that's rather a broad problem |
| 14:50.40 | Philippe | florian, that mail thingy guy seems to be a Belgian and will be at Fosdem. I'll talk to him then. |
| 14:51.09 | florian | Philippe: Ah that is the guy who coded that lazy loading tree storage, right? |
| 14:54.03 | florian | pb_: your gpe-gallery release reminds me that this one needs some additional care. |
| 14:54.24 | pb_ | yeah |
| 14:54.34 | pb_ | surprisingly, there are only two open bugs against it, and both are feature requests |
| 14:54.57 | Philippe | florian, indeed the same guy |
| 14:56.22 | florian | pb_: Thats one of two areas which might become more important soon: Better screens and more digital cameras make more devices useful to show images. |
| 14:56.38 | pb_ | right, very true |
| 14:57.22 | pb_ | florian: do you have any idea what's going on with bug 1513? I can't reproduce that at all. |
| 14:57.47 | florian | The second one will be communication, IM and mail mostly because you have network access everywhere. |
| 14:58.01 | pb_ | Philippe: very good. maybe you'd like to take care of bugs 1459 and/or 1460. |
| 14:58.12 | florian | More and more devices are in fact cellphones which are able to connect all the time. |
| 14:58.14 | pb_ | florian: yes, exactly. |
| 14:58.25 | florian | pb_: let me see... |
| 14:58.32 | pb_ | and even ignoring cellphones, wifi becomes ever more pervasive |
| 14:59.02 | florian | right |
| 14:59.06 | pb_ | I think that having a good email client and web browser is extremely important for the next version of gpe |
| 14:59.34 | florian | Yes we should make sure we have this in the roadmap. |
| 15:00.25 | florian | The first Linux based phone showed up on my radar some weeks ago... i only need some more time :-) |
| 15:01.03 | LoneStar | the problem would be memory... |
| 15:02.01 | florian | pb_: thats an interesting one... i'll try to reproduce this on my h3870 before and after upgrade. |
| 15:02.23 | florian | LoneStar: It depends... or justz the right software. |
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| 15:07.13 | florian | Philippe: selecting a mouse key to emulate |
| 15:07.41 | florian | uh koen fixed the equal sign... that was a nasty one. |
| 15:08.40 | Philippe | pb_, for #1460 it is enough to make a patch for in OE? |
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| 15:20.10 | florian | hi dc__ |
| 15:21.10 | florian | Philippe: yes, that should be okay. |
| 15:26.38 | florian | :-) |
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| 15:29.44 | florian | pb_: With 0.8.2 i can't reproduce #1513, i'll update and try again. |
| 15:31.23 | pb_ | florian: righto |
| 15:31.31 | pb_ | testing the upgrade path would be a good thing to do anyway |
| 15:32.50 | florian | hmm yes, but not with this ipaq... it contains a lot of experimental stuff not covered by package management. |
| 15:44.27 | pb_ | ah right, yeah |
| 15:46.35 | florian | koen: wb |
| 15:46.43 | koen | hey florian |
| 15:48.57 | pb_ | florian: that was careless |
| 15:49.43 | florian | pb_: hmm well... i'm not root on this machine, something must be broken. |
| 15:50.02 | pb_ | ah, oh dear |
| 15:50.19 | pb_ | Philippe: yes, a patch in OE would be fine. Do you want me to assign that bug to you? |
| 15:51.05 | florian | I just tried to imagine Philippe as the proud owner of shiny new bug ;-) |
| 15:51.08 | pb_ | hehe |
| 15:51.29 | Philippe | pb_, well go ahead.. |
| 15:51.57 | pb_ | okay |
| 15:51.59 | Philippe | once monotone has finished it should be fixed... |
| 15:52.00 | pb_ | will you take 1459 as well? |
| 15:52.38 | Philippe | pb_, why not. I just need to track down the latest source if I got it right. |
| 15:52.44 | pb_ | thanks |
| 15:53.57 | florian | Philippe: younds you have a hard job :-) |
| 15:55.26 | florian | s/younds/sounds |
| 16:02.51 | Philippe | florian, no I have been distracted :-) |
| 16:03.40 | florian | :-) |
| 16:05.08 | koen | and another bug bites the dust |
| 16:05.16 | pb_ | very good |
| 16:05.27 | koen | 196K dbus-1_0.23.4-r1_arm.ipk |
| 16:05.28 | koen | 148K dbus-1_0.23.4-r2_arm.ipk |
| 16:05.51 | florian | good |
| 16:10.43 | Philippe | good work koen. |
| 16:11.26 | koen | Philippe: good work pb_, you mean :) |
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| 16:17.51 | florian | ~lart crappy USB stuff |
| 16:19.27 | florian | If there is a reason why SGI will die it is the 320 ;-) |
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| 16:34.31 | pb_ | florian: I checked in a patch for bug 1510. |
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| 16:38.02 | koen | hey pH5 |
| 16:38.08 | pH5 | hey koen |
| 16:38.11 | florian | pb_: oh that's great! that was the nastiest one we had! |
| 16:38.15 | florian | hi pH5 |
| 16:38.23 | pH5 | hi florian |
| 16:40.05 | pb_ | hi ph5 |
| 16:41.43 | pH5 | hi pb_ |
| 16:43.00 | pb_ | any volunteers to fix bugs 1310 and 1378? both of these are packaging issues. |
| 16:43.07 | pH5 | pb_: on my hx4700 the five minute delay during checkroot.sh seems to be caused by the rootfs remounts. Any idea why this would take so long? |
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| 16:43.31 | pb_ | pH5: that is odd. I don't know why it would take so long, but those remounts should be unnecessary anyway. |
| 16:47.41 | florian | pb_: another useful task would be a decent ebook reader |
| 16:47.47 | pb_ | yeah |
| 16:49.24 | florian | pb_: For Maemo there is an improved pluker and (much better) a useful port of fbreader. |
| 16:49.42 | pb_ | right, that sounds good |
| 16:49.50 | florian | Philippe: did you actually take a look at this? |
| 16:49.51 | pb_ | is the fbreader something that we can reuse in gpe? |
| 16:50.15 | florian | Yes i think so.. |
| 16:50.22 | pb_ | excellent |
| 16:52.17 | florian | ok finally... i have a backup |
| 16:52.37 | pb_ | rock |
| 16:59.15 | koen | Packaged contents of led into /data/build/koen/OE/build/tmp/familiar/deploy/ipk/led_0.0cvs20051212-r0_h3600.ipk |
| 16:59.38 | dc__ | hrm |
| 16:59.45 | dc__ | have to chose a mysql book :/ |
| 16:59.48 | Philippe | florian, fbreader you mean? |
| 17:00.19 | Philippe | yes I started doing some work on it, but then got distracted by other things. |
| 17:00.46 | florian | Philippe: ah cool... |
| 17:01.19 | Philippe | florian, good news is that most of it seems to work. Bad news it is C++ |
| 17:01.42 | Philippe | and has some dependancies that are not in OE yet |
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| 17:02.00 | Servo888 | Does your media player support ogg? |
| 17:02.03 | florian | Philippe: C++ like the language or does it libstdc++ too? |
| 17:02.12 | florian | *cough* |
| 17:02.43 | Servo888 | I don't remember if you guys even have a media player =\ |
| 17:02.55 | florian | Servo888: it is supposed to be and worked for me some weeks ago, but there are currently some open issues with the gstreamer plugin. |
| 17:03.12 | Philippe | florian, I haven't cross-compiled it yet. I should check |
| 17:03.25 | florian | Hmm well, currently even gpsd pulls in libstdc++ |
| 17:03.54 | koen | pb_: /usr/bin/led is in the feeds and oe now |
| 17:04.08 | Servo888 | florian, ok that sounds good; does it have play list support? |
| 17:04.17 | pb_ | koen: very good |
| 17:04.43 | florian | Servo888: hmm... iirc it can read playlists but doesn't write new ones. |
| 17:04.48 | Servo888 | I guess I'll find out now; just flashed my ipaq |
| 17:06.01 | florian | koen, pb_: (#1310) - i always wonderred why prismstumbler stopped blinking ;-) |
| 17:06.18 | koen | :) |
| 17:06.32 | florian | gpe-nmf... |
| 17:06.35 | koen | I abused your bl_cvs.bb to make led_cvs.bb |
| 17:06.42 | florian | :-) |
| 17:07.18 | florian | Looking at my list of notes... we need to get rid of that. |
| 17:07.22 | Servo888 | is gpe suppose to take a while to do the 'first' boot? |
| 17:07.33 | koen | a long while even |
| 17:07.40 | florian | But LED control is anothere bit missing a common API. |
| 17:07.44 | pb_ | florian: heh |
| 17:07.48 | pb_ | yes, indeed |
| 17:07.54 | koen | florian: RP is trying hard to get it into the kernel |
| 17:08.16 | florian | koen: even better :-) |
| 17:08.24 | pH5 | ~hail RP |
| 17:08.25 | ibot | ACTION bows down to RP and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 17:08.58 | florian | koen: i wonder why this is that hard - even PCs have a pile of custom LEDs now. |
| 17:09.16 | koen | x86 people don't get the problem |
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| 17:13.03 | Servo888 | florian, what is gpe's media player called? And do I need to get it from a package or is it packaged in? |
| 17:14.16 | florian | Servo888: gpe-nmf |
| 17:17.32 | Servo888 | Also as a side issue; I've noted my lcd is shaking - I think that's just my lcd going to hell but just seeing if anybody else noticed a problem like this? |
| 17:17.48 | Servo888 | noticed* |
| 17:22.15 | florian | Servo888: which device is this? |
| 17:22.51 | Servo888 | ipaq 3835 |
| 17:22.55 | Servo888 | 206 strongarm one |
| 17:28.21 | Philippe | Servo888, mhh, my 3850 does not have that problem... which release did you flash on it? |
| 17:30.30 | Servo888 | Philippe, just flashed from the latest 2006 release, gpe-image-h3600-20060102123617.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 17:30.54 | Servo888 | I don't seem to have the problem on very early versions of familiar though. |
| 17:31.50 | Philippe | I'll try it once I fixed the mb-panel bug I am working on. |
| 17:32.08 | Servo888 | ok |
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| 17:36.03 | florian | law_: Can you take a look at #1401 and check if that's still valid and which version is affected? |
| 17:36.08 | florian | hello jg |
| 17:41.16 | koen | for people with a h36xx or h38xx: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/gpe-image-v0.8.3-h3600.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 17:41.55 | Philippe | koen, is this another RC? |
| 17:42.19 | jg | florian: hi |
| 17:42.26 | florian | koen: i'll try this... |
| 17:42.56 | Philippe | hmm, bitbake -b does not make a package anymore??? |
| 17:43.25 | koen | Philippe: sort of, I built it 10 minutes ago |
| 17:43.54 | Philippe | koen, ok. |
| 17:44.23 | Philippe | Servo888, you'd better try that one to see if you still have that shaking screen |
| 17:48.18 | law_ | florian: hi okay i?ll look at it |
| 17:49.27 | Servo888 | Philippe, which one? http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/gpe-image-v0.8.3-h3600.rootfs.jffs2 this one? |
| 17:53.16 | florian | law_: okay great! |
| 17:58.24 | florian | pb_: Can i have something like Exec=PATH=/sbin:$PATH program in a desktop file? |
| 17:58.39 | pb_ | florian: I don't think you can. |
| 17:58.57 | rob_w | can i compile gpe-mini-browser without osb-jscore ? |
| 17:59.13 | koen | system("which foo")? |
| 17:59.19 | florian | rob_w: no, why? |
| 17:59.26 | Philippe | Servo888, yep that one |
| 17:59.43 | rob_w | it breaks here , probably cause i go against mipsel |
| 17:59.48 | florian | koen: that won't help with insmod/modprobe |
| 17:59.55 | Philippe | rob_w, no you cannot... Didn 't you notice my messages earlier? |
| 18:00.16 | rob_w | Philippe, no ,,, sorry i left "the building " |
| 18:00.38 | koen | florian: if that returns nothing you can prepend sbin to your call |
| 18:00.48 | rob_w | but i dont care about javascript for now .. |
| 18:01.18 | Philippe | rob_w, the other parts of gtk-webcore won't compile without jscore |
| 18:01.35 | Philippe | rob_w, where did you get the sources? And are you using the correct patches? |
| 18:02.18 | Philippe | Get the sources from cvs. with as date 30/04/2005, and use the patches that are in OE |
| 18:02.43 | rob_w | i was using that cvs date |
| 18:03.01 | rob_w | and i guess the patches where applyied by oe .. i ve target arch mips !! |
| 18:03.53 | Philippe | hmm |
| 18:03.56 | rob_w | it breaks on ustring.cpp and i guess that is again cause of some misconfigured types declarations |
| 18:07.00 | pb_ | florian: you'll probably have to make some wrapper script to set $PATH and then call your real executable |
| 18:07.04 | florian | koen: i don't call insmod/modprobe (which fails directly) |
| 18:07.09 | florian | pb_: ok |
| 18:07.15 | Philippe | rob_w, sounds you will need to fix that. Should not be too hard though (I hope) |
| 18:07.28 | rob_w | i ll try |
| 18:07.34 | pb_ | florian: or just bash $PATH directly inside your program before invoking /sbin/modprobe or whatever |
| 18:08.13 | florian | pb_: that might be another option... maybe a better one |
| 18:10.36 | Philippe | rob_w, if you have a patch I'll try it out and put it in OE |
| 18:13.51 | Servo888 | Philippe, screen still shakes; it's either a hardware problem or refresh rate related. Do you know if there's access to the tiny x's configuration file? |
| 18:14.34 | Servo888 | I need to boost the refresh rate first... |
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| 18:15.38 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 18:16.36 | florian | hi CoreDump|home, hi Cwiiis |
| 18:16.48 | koen | hey CoreDump|home |
| 18:18.12 | Cwiiis | Hey florian, all |
| 18:18.27 | CoreDump|home | hi Cwiiis |
| 18:18.29 | pH5 | hi CoreDump|home, Cwiiis |
| 18:24.52 | Philippe | Servo888, sorry I do not know that. |
| 18:25.46 | Servo888 | that's ok. |
| 18:26.38 | florian | koen: looks good... startup it not that slow |
| 18:41.55 | koen | yay! |
| 18:42.00 | koen | gpetimesel in gpe-calendar |
| 18:42.24 | shadows | sweet |
| 18:42.27 | shadows | i don't know what that is |
| 18:42.31 | shadows | but it sounds delicious |
| 18:42.55 | koen | shadows: in 'time & date setup' you can set the time graphically via an analog clock |
| 18:43.10 | koen | you can now do the same in gpe-calender (cvs) |
| 18:46.06 | Philippe | and no errors! |
| 18:50.48 | pb_ | no DISTRO? |
| 18:51.07 | Philippe | hmm, pb_ you might have something there :-) |
| 18:56.48 | Servo888 | Looks secure digital suppose is still sketchy |
| 18:57.08 | Servo888 | like* |
| 18:59.25 | CoreDump|home | yeah, setting the time with the clock hands is neat |
| 19:00.56 | Philippe | however I would like to know which files are actually fucking up my build |
| 19:01.17 | koen | try removing your cache |
| 19:02.07 | Philippe | koen, I just did to re-create the error |
| 19:03.15 | Philippe | and checked if bitbake had been updated.. |
| 19:08.31 | Philippe | seems to work now... |
| 19:10.49 | koen | ah, you're using .dev |
| 19:19.07 | koen | but you can't really use it to fix bugs for the oz and fam release |
| 19:19.24 | CoreDump|home | right |
| 19:19.37 | CoreDump|home | but kernel 2.6 is so damn tempting |
| 19:26.47 | rob_w | Philippe, seems i get forward .. now i stand at a incomplete reference .. |
| 19:42.37 | pb_ | florian: fyi, I checked in a pile of gpe-calendar changes this afternoon. You might want to test those out before I release a new version. |
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| 19:50.19 | Philippe | rob_w, sounds good & bad at the same time |
| 19:55.25 | koen | florian: I just forwarded you an email of someone who want to look at gpe for use on their board |
| 20:01.49 | rob_w | Philippe, maybe i finish tomorrow |
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| 20:07.51 | florian | re |
| 20:07.59 | koen | florian: wb |
| 20:09.20 | florian | pb_: okay... i'll do this. |
| 20:09.37 | pb_ | florian: thanks |
| 20:09.40 | florian | koen: email... okay, wait |
| 20:10.46 | koen | 'with support for POP, |
| 20:10.46 | koen | IMAP, TLS, MIME, HTML and various other three- and four-letter |
| 20:10.47 | koen | abbreviations' |
| 20:10.49 | koen | :) |
| 20:12.34 | florian | he |
| 20:12.36 | florian | h |
| 20:12.55 | florian | I wonder if nilsf finally managed to make our server work. |
| 20:19.45 | florian | obviously not... |
| 20:20.54 | koen | florian: http://pastebin.com/538981 |
| 20:21.38 | pb_ | florian: :-/ |
| 20:23.47 | florian | pb_: oh... many changes |
| 20:25.17 | florian | koen: uh thanks... thats webmail++? we call that binmail ;-) |
| 20:38.38 | florian | pb_: I can reproduce that rotation bug with koen's new image. |
| 20:38.38 | pb_ | florian: oh right, awesome |
| 20:38.38 | pb_ | what exactly happens when you try to do "xrandr -o left"? |
| 20:38.39 | pb_ | is there an error, or does it quietly just do nothing? |
| 20:38.50 | florian | pb_: just nothing |
| 20:38.59 | pb_ | okay |
| 20:39.07 | pb_ | what was the time set to before you changed it? |
| 20:39.17 | pb_ | maybe the bug only occurs if you are moving from 1970 to 2006 or some such |
| 20:40.17 | florian | it wasn't set... so maybe 1970... |
| 20:40.38 | florian | i'll reboot later and try then. |
| 20:41.23 | pb_ | okay |
| 20:41.30 | pb_ | when I tried earlier, my clock was only wrong by a few hours |
| 20:41.38 | pb_ | I'll try resetting it back to 1970 and test again |
| 20:48.26 | XorA|gone | pb_: I have seen this bug on the Z as well, but it wasnt until I saw that bug report it dawned on me |
| 20:48.36 | XorA|gone | pb_: I always thought I was crazy |
| 20:49.46 | pb_ | heh |
| 20:50.23 | koen | same here |
| 20:54.53 | florian | koen: does your nw image contain the fixed CPU/Mem monitor applet? |
| 20:54.55 | koen | fwiw, the new images have mickeyl's buildtime = default time thing |
| 20:55.03 | koen | florian: no |
| 20:55.08 | florian | phew |
| 20:55.22 | florian | it just died here :-) |
| 20:55.22 | koen | so it shouldn't reset to 1970, but to 2006 |
| 20:55.28 | pb_ | heh |
| 21:00.27 | florian | brb |
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| 21:06.46 | florian | re |
| 21:10.02 | pb_ | wb |
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| 21:19.45 | Philippe | florian, I am struggeling with oe to test the patch befire commiting it. |
| 21:21.33 | florian | Philippe: ok |
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| 22:00.24 | mimecar | hi folks |
| 22:00.31 | florian | hi mimecar |
| 22:00.39 | mimecar | hey florian |
| 22:00.43 | mimecar | good evening |
| 22:20.26 | pb_ | florian: with larger time skews I can reproduce the randr thing as well |
| 22:20.37 | pb_ | I guess the clock changes are upsetting the timestamp checks in the randr code. |
| 22:22.28 | florian | pb_: :-/ |
| 22:24.00 | pb_ | florian: we'd need an instrumented xserver, and/or a debug build, to get to the bottom of that |
| 22:24.42 | pb_ | fwiw, the code in question is probably in xserver/randr/randr.c; look for the bits that talk about lastSetTime and similar stuff |
| 22:27.57 | florian | pb_: hmm yes, sounds dangerous... |
| 22:29.22 | Philippe | finally build complete! let's test |
| 22:31.55 | Philippe | Yay! succes! |
| 22:37.59 | florian | Philippe: cool |
| 22:42.13 | Philippe | florian, you need the package to test it? |
| 22:45.41 | florian | Philippe: hmmm why not :-) |
| 22:46.59 | Philippe | florian, http://handhelds.org/~philippe/matchbox-panel_0.9.2-r7_arm.ipk |
| 22:49.27 | koen|tv | Philippe: that is mb-panel 0.9.2 + svn ? |
| 22:49.41 | *** join/#gpe mAl3X (n=mAl3X@largo.compusleuth.com) |
| 22:50.21 | Philippe | koen|tv, mbox-panel 0.9.2 + svn patch for system-monitor applet |
| 22:52.04 | florian | Philippe: the package revision is bad, we habe r8 in the image. |
| 22:52.48 | Philippe | florian, are you sure? I did a monotone pull just now and it only contained r6 |
| 22:53.20 | florian | Philippe: "Package matchbox-panel (0.9.2-r8) installed in root is up to date." |
| 22:53.26 | koen | images aren't built from .dev |
| 22:54.02 | Philippe | koen, so dev is not the bleeding edge then... |
| 22:54.18 | koen | it contains all the gentoo-style breakage ;) |
| 22:54.45 | Philippe | I assumed .dev was the one with the latest versions to have gentoo-style breakage.... |
| 22:54.55 | Philippe | I used it to avoid this kind of problems... |
| 22:55.15 | florian | hmm yes, we should try to keep dev up to date too. |
| 22:55.50 | koen | I can't avoid having release only fixes in the branch |
| 22:55.58 | koen | so there will always be a PR skew |
| 22:56.08 | *** join/#gpe poli (n=ca@CAcert-br/poli) |
| 22:56.43 | florian | hmm... wouldn't it be easy to check in the same fixes into dev |
| 22:58.20 | koen | easy yes, wanted no |
| 23:00.09 | *** part/#gpe law_ (n=_law_@213.173.86.202) |
| 23:00.29 | poli | #1514 is fixed in the lastest feed already |
| 23:01.58 | koen | so close it :) |
| 23:02.24 | poli | Just did :) |
| 23:02.56 | koen | just up the PR to the point of the branch |
| 23:03.05 | Philippe | florian, does it work if you force-feed the package into installing |
| 23:03.31 | florian | Philippe: yes indeed... now the applet woks |
| 23:04.25 | koen | given the appropriate amount of chocolate I fix bugs when people mention them on irc |
| 23:04.33 | koen | that and enough time of course |
| 23:04.51 | florian | heh |
| 23:06.06 | Philippe | what is the delay on CIA and a monotone commit? |
| 23:06.27 | Philippe | Seems it has not noticed my changes yet. |
| 23:08.49 | Philippe | I will add the patch and bb to the bugzilla too so it does not get lost |
| 23:09.40 | Philippe | aha! there it is.. |
| 23:10.32 | poli | Are there are dictionaries in oe? |
| 23:10.40 | poli | hum or out of it? ;) |
| 23:12.25 | pb_ | Philippe: very good |
| 23:13.05 | pb_ | koen: the answer to your PR problem is probably to use "r5.1" kind of notation in the branch. |
| 23:13.40 | koen | pb_: ok |
| 23:16.12 | Philippe | I'll sort xmonobut out tomorrow and also where this last one needs to be commited to be good. |
| 23:16.21 | pb_ | okay |
| 23:16.24 | pb_ | night night |
| 23:16.30 | florian | Philippe: good night |
| 23:16.38 | koen | 'night Philippe |
| 23:16.58 | Philippe | ~hail to all people fixing bugs |
| 23:16.59 | ibot | ACTION bows down to to all people fixing bugs and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 23:17.17 | pb_ | florian: did you manage to reproduce the latter issues in bug 1491? |
| 23:18.37 | koen | NOTE: package matchbox-panel-0.9.2-r8.1: task do_build: completed |
| 23:18.57 | pb_ | very good |
| 23:29.00 | koen | and it's in the feeds as well now |
| 23:29.18 | pb_ | ok, cool |
| 23:29.24 | pb_ | philippe can close that bug tomorrow |
| 23:32.17 | koen | 'night all |
| 23:34.45 | CoreDump|home | subtle indeed heh |
| 23:39.19 | florian | pb_: i'll try in a sec |
| 23:39.20 | Servo888 | So the media player doesn't come packaged with the jffs2? |
| 23:41.17 | florian | at the moment yes, well... not sure about h3900 images |
| 23:52.53 | pb_ | I don't think it is in the h3900 images either |
| 23:52.56 | pb_ | maybe it should be |
| 23:55.55 | Servo888 | question - should I unmount cf drives before removing them? or are they hot pluggable? |
| 23:56.03 | pb_ | best to umount them |
| 23:56.24 | pb_ | electrically they are hotpluggable, but the kernel doesn't always like having them pulled out from underneath it |
| 23:56.41 | Servo888 | is there some sort of applet to do this? |
| 23:57.15 | pb_ | I think matchbox might have one, yeah |
