| 00:01.13 | florian | CoreDump|home: I guess its releated to backlight code i just changed if you can try latast cvs (gpe-conf STABLE_01 branch) that would be useful too. |
| 00:01.51 | CoreDump|home | florian: will do tomorrow and get back to you |
| 00:02.06 | florian | pb__: yep... i have a hacked version which is able to live without gnome somewhere, but no "real" fixes. |
| 00:02.19 | florian | CoreDump|home: that would be really nice! |
| 00:02.28 | pb__ | mm, I was just trying to use it on my desktop |
| 00:02.35 | pb__ | or my laptop, more accurately |
| 00:03.47 | pb__ | it doesn't seem to be able to open the "Options" dialog for gpe_sync, which can't be a good sign |
| 00:04.49 | mrc3 | i managed to compile dbus-0.60 some hackishly, but i have it! (or so i presume) |
| 00:04.54 | florian | hmm ah that implementation of the dialog was missing. |
| 00:05.06 | mrc3 | now, i want to compile gpe, all of it. is there an order to compile each of the tarballs? |
| 00:05.11 | pb__ | florian: oh |
| 00:05.16 | pb__ | how do you configure the gpe plugin? |
| 00:07.04 | CoreDump|home | what the hell, pdax rom got working "brightness +/-" and zoom keys |
| 00:07.05 | florian | mrc3: hmm... compile only the tarballs you need and not all. or use OE.. or T2 which maybe knows about GPE too. |
| 00:07.38 | florian | pb__: I remember that was one thing i fixed, forgot about that :-] |
| 00:07.47 | pb__ | florian: heh :-) |
| 00:08.35 | mrc3 | florian, i can't use oe as i already have a deployed system. i'm looking at the feasibilty of using gpe for one of ti's development boards, and we are not using oe or scratchbox for cross-compiling |
| 00:09.06 | florian | mrc3: ah right, we have a few hints there: |
| 00:09.13 | mrc3 | florian, what i'm seeing with gpe-calculator (for instance) is that there is no ./configure, and the current Makefile has a lot of assumptions that doesn't quite fit our system |
| 00:09.45 | florian | http://handhelds.org:8080/gpe/wiki?p=GpeDependencyMap |
| 00:10.10 | florian | mrc3: uh - theny you have a _really_ old one. |
| 00:12.15 | mrc3 | florian, gee, that's what i was looking for! thanks for the pointer! |
| 00:12.53 | mrc3 | and re: calculator, that's the one i got from ftp://gpe.handhelds.org/projects/gpe/source/, the one linked from Download on the gpe page |
| 00:14.20 | florian | oh wait... maybe this is still not using autotools :-} |
| 00:15.15 | florian | mrc3: We still have quite some bits not using autotools, we are in a progress moving to it but it takes its time. |
| 00:17.34 | florian | Hmm.. any volunteers to move gpe-conf to autotools? ;-) |
| 00:17.34 | mrc3 | florian, that's understandable. gpe-calculator was the one i randomly picked, so i'll try my luck with other components |
| 00:17.51 | florian | mrc3: The basic pim apps (gpe-contacts, gpe-calendar and gpe-todo) and all its dependencies e.g. |
| 00:18.51 | florian | mrc3: Another location to identify the interesting components might be to look at the GPERoadmap wiki at handhelds.org. |
| 00:20.25 | mrc3 | there is a lot of information out there! i'll try to get a grasp of it and see how can i help, if at least by pointing our team's aim towards oe and gpe |
| 00:22.01 | florian | mrc3: That would be nice... |
| 00:23.52 | florian | mrc3: Is it a secret or can you tell what kind of things you intend to use it for or what you develop? |
| 00:27.37 | mrc3 | florian, there is a nda indeed, but it's all good! hopefully, in a while we will be able to tell the world what we're doing |
| 00:28.15 | mrc3 | my guess is that you could find out a lot of things by looking at the channels i lurk at ;) |
| 00:28.31 | pb__ | florian: ah yes, that gui is better |
| 00:28.36 | pb__ | night all |
| 00:28.43 | florian | pb__: good night |
| 00:28.45 | mreimer | night pb__ |
| 00:28.54 | florian | mrc3: okay :-) |
| 00:29.34 | florian | mrc3: lets say i know this situation very well, i have this more or less all the time. |
| 00:30.22 | poli | Does anyone use rsync to backup a home on familiar? Is there a better option? |
| 00:31.07 | florian | We lack a gui for backups... but there is a GTK GUI for rsync... but i never tried thiis before. |
| 00:31.54 | poli | I had never tried rsync before, but it seems to need the rsync executable on the remote machine as well... I couldn't find it in the stable feeds for 0.8.3. |
| 00:32.19 | mrc3 | florian, thanks for all the information! i have a lot to play with now. libschedule is compiled, and libeventdb is on its way! :) |
| 00:32.58 | florian | poli: These not complete yet, but it might be a good idea to file a bug to make sure it gets included. |
| 00:33.12 | poli | florian: I will, thank you. |
| 00:33.15 | florian | mrc3: yw - enjoy it :-) |
| 00:41.27 | florian | #1478 is fixed too |
| 00:41.35 | CoreDump|home | am I stupid or can matchbox replace "keylaunch" completely w/ ~/.matchbox/kdbconfi |
| 00:41.42 | poli | Is there something to cypher dirs or partitions on familiar? |
| 00:45.35 | florian | CoreDump|home: To some extend but not completely :-( It can't handle timed key presses and key combinations. |
| 00:45.48 | CoreDump|home | i c |
| 00:45.58 | CoreDump|home | so "hold" won't work |
| 00:46.14 | CoreDump|home | but all hotkeys (calendar, Home etc) |
| 00:46.22 | florian | poli: we should have cryptoloop in 2.6 kernels, but not sure about 2.4. |
| 00:46.29 | florian | CoreDump|home: yes right... |
| 00:46.30 | CoreDump|home | brightness +/- too |
| 00:46.34 | CoreDump|home | hah |
| 00:46.52 | poli | florian: oh, there it is. Thank you. |
| 00:49.00 | CoreDump|home | maybe it would be easier to just hack matchbox to do the hold trick heh |
| 00:49.50 | CoreDump|home | and combinations work already |
| 00:51.17 | florian | CoreDump|home: that would be good but mallum didn't like that idea... maybe too much of work. |
| 00:51.56 | CoreDump|home | well, I _personally_ can live w/o "hold". Dunno about others tho |
| 00:52.19 | CoreDump|home | I'll be a happy camper when normal presses work as expected |
| 00:56.30 | florian | CoreDump|home: okay... maybe we can do somethign to care about this. |
| 00:56.51 | florian | But i need some sleep first... |
| 00:57.04 | CoreDump|home | me too =) will try that out tomorrow |
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| 00:58.46 | florian | Good night all :-) |
| 00:58.50 | CoreDump|home | no florian |
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| 08:49.16 | florian_kc | good morning |
| 08:55.27 | XorA | morning |
| 08:56.03 | florian_kc | hi XorA |
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| 09:07.39 | bizkut | allo |
| 09:07.53 | bizkut | gpe 0.8.3 rc2 didnt work on my 5450 |
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| 09:09.37 | bizkut | any ideas? |
| 09:09.59 | _law_ | morning |
| 09:10.35 | bizkut | morning |
| 09:11.50 | florian_kc | hi bizkut |
| 09:11.53 | florian_kc | hi _law_ |
| 09:12.20 | florian_kc | bizkut: can you say more precisely what "didnnt work" menas? |
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| 09:17.04 | bizkut | it didnt boot |
| 09:17.52 | bizkut | i can get into the bootloader but when i issue boot> boot on cmd promt i just said kernel loading.... and stuck |
| 09:18.00 | florian_kc | ah |
| 09:18.29 | bizkut | my ipaq works fine with opie 0.8.3 rc2 |
| 09:18.45 | florian_kc | bizkut: you can debug this - the default console settings are wrong for pxa devices. |
| 09:19.00 | bizkut | so how can i debug it? |
| 09:19.55 | florian_kc | bizkut: you need to change the "linuxargs" param to read console=ttyS0 instead of ttySA0 |
| 09:20.04 | florian_kc | hi krokas |
| 09:20.32 | bizkut | ok then i will try |
| 09:23.54 | florian_kc | bizkut: would be nice to get to know what wents wrong... |
| 09:24.16 | bizkut | florian_kc: so why opie just get boot? |
| 09:25.05 | florian_kc | bizkut: no idea... the filesystem should be exactly the same except of the different ui bits. |
| 09:26.40 | bizkut | i cant boot the bootstrap too |
| 09:27.41 | florian_kc | bizkut: the console output should give some clue what is going on... |
| 09:35.33 | hrw|work | morning |
| 09:38.48 | florian_kc | hi hrw|work |
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| 09:40.28 | pb_ | florian_kc: good morning |
| 09:40.46 | florian_kc | hi bedboi, hi pb_ |
| 09:41.49 | florian_kc | pb_: about #1493: Do you have an opinion about that fdisk problem? |
| 09:53.06 | pb_ | florian_kc: the alignment traps? they're usually harmless. |
| 09:53.27 | pb_ | mini-browser and rxvt also generate alignment traps pretty frequently, but they seem to work ok regardless. |
| 09:53.52 | hrw|work | for >16M flash devices OZ users want to get e2fsprogs and dosfstools |
| 09:53.53 | florian_kc | pb_: okay, then i'll check that patch in... |
| 09:54.47 | pb_ | florian_kc: probably ought to make a separate defconfig for familiar and patch that, rather than just applying the patch directly. The openzaurus dudes may want to retain the bloated busybox. |
| 09:55.29 | florian_kc | hmm okay, let me try to find out how to do this. |
| 09:56.09 | pb_ | florian_kc: just make a "familiar" directory and put the defconfig in there |
| 09:57.11 | florian_kc | pb_: i guessed that... give me some seconds |
| 09:57.20 | pb_ | :-) |
| 09:58.58 | pb_ | by the way, I played with the gpe-sync opensync plugin a bit yesterday. Adding setsid(); setenv("SSH_ASKPASS", "ssh-askpass", 1); just before it exec()s ssh does indeed cause it to pop up the graphical password dialog correctly. |
| 09:59.16 | florian_kc | oh cool |
| 09:59.29 | pb_ | it seems to have a bit of a problem with never wait()ing for its children, so you get a pile of zombie sshs after a while, but I guess that's not the end of the world. |
| 09:59.30 | florian_kc | *gnaaa* |
| 09:59.43 | florian_kc | ~lart monotone |
| 10:01.22 | florian_kc | How do i make this stupid thing restore a single file? |
| 10:02.06 | pb_ | I guess you need zecke for that. |
| 10:03.35 | XorA | monotone revert path/to/file.bb |
| 10:04.06 | florian_kc | that thing is totally stupid... it is not aware of the location in the branch you are in. |
| 10:04.15 | florian_kc | XorA: thanks |
| 10:04.56 | XorA | florian_kc: diff, commit, revert and other will all work on single file or selection of files, or whol repo |
| 10:05.42 | florian_kc | XorA: well... i'd conider that restoring a deleted file is an update or checkout operation. |
| 10:08.24 | florian_kc | And the fact that it returns error messages all the time is useless... "misuse... " |
| 10:10.10 | XorA | florian_kc: your still in cvs mode :-) |
| 10:10.57 | florian_kc | XorA: I know cvs lacks some features but in contrast to all other solutions it _works_ - thats the most important feature of a scm. |
| 10:11.32 | XorA | florian_kc: the people here wont move on from VSSso anything is better than that :-) |
| 10:11.38 | florian_kc | XorA: monotone is just not ready for daily use, it lack that many sanity checks and proper usability. |
| 10:11.59 | XorA | florian_kc: agreed, "misuse" is not helpful |
| 10:12.36 | XorA | but I got used to monotone |
| 10:12.40 | hrw|work | anyway I prefer monotone over cvs due to its 'distributed way' |
| 10:13.03 | hrw|work | 'cvs diff -u' from home to hh.org takes eons |
| 10:13.10 | XorA | sometimes I prefer cvs way of merging when files colide |
| 10:13.51 | florian_kc | XorA: e.g. it fails to check in if a fiele is missing - useless, failing to merge if thereis no need to do - useless, revision tags are not useful for humans. |
| 10:13.55 | hrw|work | XorA: kdiff3 is usefull. I even managed to monotone/merge in vim |
| 10:14.29 | florian_kc | XorA: defaulting operations to a whole branch even if you ececute them in a subdir - completely insane. |
| 10:14.32 | pb_ | hrw|work: true, but even svn can do disconnected diff. |
| 10:14.40 | pb_ | you don't need full distributed operation for that. |
| 10:15.27 | florian_kc | I still don't get the point using a distributed system for OE, if its just diffing you can find a different solution. |
| 10:16.20 | hrw|work | pb_: I nearly did not use svn in such scale as cvs or monotone |
| 10:16.22 | florian_kc | bitbake itself is able to deal with multiple description sources, so you can easily have multiple repositories. |
| 10:19.54 | pb_ | florian_kc: right, the distributed thing seems to cause more problems (via multiple heads and the like) than it really solves. |
| 10:20.25 | florian_kc | pb_: yep... |
| 10:20.58 | florian_kc | and every operation is sloooowwww, our Pentium MMX 233 CVS machine is faster :-) |
| 10:22.24 | florian_kc | But speaking about positive things: I just found out that my old O2 and the kc number cruncher make a good team: The cruncer has the CPU and the O2 makes a good X terminal for it :-) |
| 10:22.33 | XorA | I hate monotones love of creatging divergence when there is no collision |
| 10:22.58 | florian_kc | Hmm yes, i always wondered why this happens... |
| 10:24.47 | florian_kc | Speaking about monotone: the server process at monotone.vanille.de is dead. |
| 10:24.58 | XorA | and that is my second hate |
| 10:26.30 | florian_kc | For some reason ewi seems to have a better mechanism to recover... or koen is faster :-) |
| 10:28.41 | hrw|work | koen has kind of: while true;do check monotone/start;sleep;done |
| 10:30.34 | florian_kc | hmm mickeyl should introduce this too, even more because it is the main server. |
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| 10:43.12 | bedboi | bbl |
| 10:43.27 | florian_kc | pb_: Is that install location for gtkstylus still correct? ... 2.4.0/modules... |
| 10:43.52 | ade|desk | XorA: how did you build gnumeric ? |
| 10:44.43 | XorA | ade|desk: you need gtk2-dev or similar on host |
| 10:45.04 | ade|desk | ah ok cheers |
| 10:46.52 | florian_kc | (#1495) I guess that obsolete link we should fix in the Makfile... |
| 10:47.54 | florian_kc | XorA: uh |
| 10:48.17 | XorA | florian_kc: what? |
| 10:49.02 | florian_kc | XorA: That method to make gnumeric build... |
| 10:49.14 | XorA | florian_kc: we need a gtk2-native in OE |
| 10:49.50 | florian_kc | XorA: What does it need it for?! |
| 10:50.01 | krokas | hi florian_kc |
| 10:51.28 | XorA | florian_kc: I can never remeber the name of the util, but it converts xpm to .c files for gtk |
| 10:51.44 | XorA | csource something or other |
| 10:53.01 | florian_kc | XorA: oh |
| 10:57.44 | ade|desk | XorA: intalling gtk2-dev packages fixes the PKG_CONFIG_MIN_VERSION problem ? |
| 10:58.36 | XorA | ade|desk: ah, for that, I removed the OE hack to pkgconfig |
| 11:01.16 | ade|desk | which hack is that ? |
| 11:01.48 | XorA | ade|desk: we copy pkg.m4 into the build from a custom one stored in oe |
| 11:01.53 | XorA | ade|desk: I removed that copy |
| 11:02.04 | ade|desk | ok cheers |
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| 11:03.22 | XorA | Ive lost my irda control applet from GPE, whats it called and in what package does it hide? |
| 11:03.43 | florian_kc | gpe-beam |
| 11:04.09 | XorA | florian_kc: cheers |
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| 11:04.17 | bizkut | allo |
| 11:04.24 | florian_kc | bizkut: wb |
| 11:04.31 | bizkut | i see the problem on my 5450 |
| 11:04.46 | florian_kc | bizkut: Ah good... tell me! |
| 11:04.50 | bizkut | can i paste the log here? |
| 11:05.01 | florian_kc | bizkut: use pastebin |
| 11:05.04 | bizkut | 4 lines |
| 11:05.14 | florian_kc | ah okay, then here... |
| 11:05.28 | bizkut | VFS: Mounted root (jffs2 filesystem). |
| 11:05.29 | bizkut | Mounted devfs on /dev |
| 11:05.29 | bizkut | Freeing init memory: 68K |
| 11:05.29 | bizkut | init: error while loading shared libraKernel panic: Attempted to kill init! |
| 11:05.29 | bizkut | ries: libgcc_s.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such fil e or directory |
| 11:05.46 | bizkut | 5 lines there |
| 11:05.47 | bizkut | :) |
| 11:05.52 | florian_kc | uh |
| 11:06.13 | bizkut | it seems that it can mount the root filesystem |
| 11:06.17 | bizkut | can't |
| 11:06.27 | hrw|work | nice.. libgcc1 not in image so busybox cannot load it so it cannot start |
| 11:07.11 | bizkut | need to be there |
| 11:07.16 | bizkut | on image |
| 11:08.10 | florian_kc | hrm... i wonder how to fix this. |
| 11:08.31 | bizkut | so how to solve this |
| 11:09.22 | bizkut | libgcc1 is not to big only 58862bytes |
| 11:11.28 | florian_kc | Someone needs to build a fixed filesystem image... there is no way to boot the current one without that library. |
| 11:12.25 | bizkut | so how caome it can be released as 0.8.3 rc2 if it's unbootable? |
| 11:13.33 | hrw|work | iirc koen fixed it already |
| 11:14.04 | bizkut | is it released already? |
| 11:14.42 | bizkut | so i need to switch to old gpe back |
| 11:16.00 | hrw|work | fixed in buildsystem not in images |
| 11:17.49 | bizkut | so there is anyway to make my gpe bootable? |
| 11:35.33 | florian_kc | bizkut: Not with this image :-( |
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| 11:35.46 | florian_kc | heh |
| 11:36.14 | florian_kc | hrw|work: or did koen build fixed images? |
| 11:36.49 | hrw|work | dont know does he build |
| 11:38.05 | bizkut | is is work if i boot with init=/bin/sh param |
| 11:39.30 | florian_kc | bizkut: i don't think busybox will run without this library |
| 12:00.18 | pb_ | florian_kc: I think that is still correct |
| 12:00.34 | pb_ | I'm not entirely sure though, I guess strace would reveal the truth |
| 12:02.03 | pb_ | yes, koen respan the 0.8.3-rc2 images with some kind of hack for the libgcc1 thing |
| 12:12.59 | florian_kc | ah cool+ |
| 12:13.12 | florian_kc | bizkut: than you just neeed to get the new image |
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| 12:30.41 | CoreDump|afk | florian_kc: I'm compiling gpe-image right now to test your gpe-conf changes. The build won't be finished until after I have to leave for work tho. |
| 12:31.13 | florian_kc | CoreDump|afk: ah great |
| 12:31.43 | CoreDump|afk | I'll give you the result at about 2300 GMT |
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| 12:33.09 | florian_kc | CoreDump|afk: okay |
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| 12:38.50 | reenoo | morning |
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| 13:12.30 | bizkut | me back |
| 13:12.46 | bizkut | now i can boot 0.8.3 :) |
| 13:14.02 | pb_ | very good |
| 13:14.32 | bizkut | i use to install the bootstrap first then untar the image to the root |
| 13:20.09 | bizkut | so i have calibration problem now |
| 13:20.40 | bizkut | the touchscreen doesnt act like what i need |
| 13:25.56 | bizkut | my touchscreen doesnt work well on gpe |
| 13:25.59 | bizkut | any help? |
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| 13:35.53 | bizkut | how can i set calibration on gpe? |
| 13:57.45 | florian_kc | bizkut: use the screen setup on the settings desk |
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| 13:59.32 | bizkut | thanks florian_kc |
| 13:59.46 | xumbi | does anyone here have any experience building minimo? |
| 14:00.27 | pb_ | yeah; there are instructions on the minimo website |
| 14:01.29 | xumbi | I've tried that, probably about 20-30 attempts over the last couple months, but have been unsuccessful |
| 14:02.10 | xumbi | I've read that debian variants have a bug that keeps it from compiling, but I've tried redhat with the same results |
| 14:02.45 | xumbi | pb_: so the minimo documentation has worked for you? |
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| 14:02.57 | pb_ | I haven't tried it lately, but it certainly used to work. |
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| 14:04.24 | xumbi | ok, it's good to know it *should* work |
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| 14:31.17 | reenoo | re |
| 14:33.01 | florian_kc | reenoo: wb |
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| 14:39.45 | reenoo | hey florian_kc |
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| 14:53.06 | sidiasus | 'Lo there folks, you'll have to excuse my lack of IRC know-how, it's not something I do very often at all... |
| 14:56.09 | florian_kc | hello sidiasus |
| 14:57.31 | sidiasus | I had a quick question, and I'm now trying to figure out if I'm even on the right channel for this one, but my ipaq, despite what's described in my fstab, only mounts the SD card as read-only. |
| 14:58.06 | sidiasus | I haven't locked the card, I know that's not the problem... |
| 14:58.28 | sidiasus | I'm on an 3800, with familiar 0.8.3 |
| 14:58.55 | florian_kc | sidiasus: I guess the best channel would be #handhelds.org. |
| 14:59.09 | sidiasus | Ok, much thanks... I'll check there. |
| 14:59.12 | florian_kc | sidiasus: Did you checl the log for suspicious messages? |
| 14:59.28 | sidiasus | Hrm... no... |
| 15:00.17 | florian_kc | That would be a good thing to start with, try "logread". |
| 15:01.01 | sidiasus | Ack, there's a lot of wacky errors there. |
| 15:01.18 | sidiasus | I'll go see what I can find on the other channel. Thanks again. |
| 15:01.43 | sidiasus | Oh, and you folks are doing excellent work on GPE, by the way. |
| 15:03.22 | florian_kc | sidiasus: thanks :-) |
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| 15:22.23 | bizkut | gpe on my 5450 crash when i set look and feel to enable visual effects on MBOpus theme |
| 15:23.02 | hrw|work | bizkut: it crash on most devices |
| 15:23.43 | ArjanS | on every device afaik... it's a gpe-conf bug |
| 15:23.58 | bizkut | so why it has an option to enable it? |
| 15:25.04 | ArjanS | because if you kill your login session (using ssh), you can login again and it is enabled |
| 15:25.08 | bizkut | i mean it never been fixed? |
| 15:25.23 | ArjanS | I seem to remember it's on the todolist of the gpe-conf author |
| 15:26.25 | bizkut | the effects is not so smooth |
| 15:27.10 | ArjanS | I think it looks great |
| 15:27.11 | bizkut | but i can see the shadow when enabled |
| 15:34.26 | bizkut | why its nothing happen when i tap the calendar icon? |
| 15:35.43 | bizkut | contacts, my vcard...didnt work at all |
| 15:37.55 | ArjanS | works for me |
| 15:38.46 | bizkut | it doesnt work for me |
| 15:39.22 | bizkut | i have no idea |
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| 16:02.57 | garrapatt | hello.. |
| 16:03.08 | florian_kc | hello garrapatt |
| 16:05.16 | garrapatt | I'm installing gpe using ipkg, but I put: "ipkg install gpe-task-base" one hour ago, but it didn't download any package still, Is it normal? |
| 16:05.20 | bizkut | hello |
| 16:06.02 | garrapatt | I'm using a ppc Acer n30... |
| 16:09.12 | hrw|work | garrapatt: try with -verbose_wget - maybe it cannot connect? |
| 16:10.05 | garrapatt | no, the line that I'm usin is: "ipkg --verbosity=1 -verbose_wget -force-reinstall --force-overwrite install gpe-task-base" I didn't put it, because is too long... |
| 16:10.52 | garrapatt | and put me some messages like: "pkg_hash_fetch_best_installation_candidate: for apkg=gtk+, 2 matching pkgs" or "using latest matching libc6 2.3.5+cvs20050627-r0 arm" but, from 1 hour ago, I didn't see anythink new... |
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| 16:12.24 | wiselynx | mh.. anyone here with an hx4700? |
| 16:13.12 | wiselynx | i'm having problems with bluetooth since switched to newer gpe.. |
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| 16:15.02 | wiselynx | damn me.. |
| 16:15.18 | florian_kc | wiselynx: ! |
| 16:15.22 | wiselynx | i was trying to attach irda on the bt port |
| 16:15.27 | wiselynx | -_- |
| 16:15.30 | florian_kc | heh |
| 16:15.51 | pb_ | heh |
| 16:15.55 | wiselynx | much better now ^_^ |
| 16:15.57 | florian_kc | garrapatt: that can't be good... |
| 16:19.44 | garrapatt | yes, I think so, but I'm not sure, and if I stop the precess, I'll lost this hour :'( |
| 16:20.02 | garrapatt | how many hours spend a normal ppc installing the GPE? |
| 16:21.26 | hrw|work | pxa255/400 powered zaurus <10 minutes |
| 16:21.41 | garrapatt | ok... |
| 16:21.51 | garrapatt | I'll try again... |
| 16:22.00 | garrapatt | thx... |
| 16:24.48 | poli | I just got a IR keyboard myself but still had no luck with kbdd... |
| 16:26.40 | XorA | poli: Ive decided I am too stupid to make my ir keyboard work |
| 16:26.53 | poli | lol |
| 16:28.02 | garrapatt | if I use the -verbosity=2, if told me: " adding locale-base-es-ve to providers" "41 providers" and before: "arch_priority=10 constraint=0" "arch_priority=0 constraint=0" this two lines all the time, is a infinite loop... |
| 16:28.51 | garrapatt | someone knows witch is the problem? |
| 16:30.31 | florian_kc | garrapatt: I remember we had some bug causing this a long time ago... which version of ipkg is this? |
| 16:31.07 | garrapatt | version 0.99.87... |
| 16:31.57 | florian_kc | eeks! |
| 16:32.05 | florian_kc | thats _old_! |
| 16:32.12 | garrapatt | old? |
| 16:32.14 | hrw|work | eons old |
| 16:32.21 | garrapatt | I downloaded from ipkg finder.. |
| 16:32.30 | bizkut | i got 0.99.154 |
| 16:32.32 | florian_kc | 0.99.157 is latest iirc. |
| 16:32.36 | hrw|work | exactly |
| 16:32.37 | bizkut | ? |
| 16:33.12 | garrapatt | ok, I'll download the new version... |
| 16:33.25 | florian_kc | garrapatt: hmm... looks like omeone needs to trigger an update there. |
| 16:33.59 | florian_kc | france: is ipkgfind not updated anymore? |
| 16:34.03 | garrapatt | ok, I'll do it now, thanks a lot... |
| 16:35.12 | florian_kc | garrapatt: maybe one of the familiar 0.8.3 rc filesystems is a better thing than selecting simgle packages. |
| 16:36.29 | garrapatt | ok, the 0.8.3 have the version 0.99.157, thx... |
| 16:37.05 | bizkut | i just installed 0.8.3 and got 0.99.154 |
| 16:37.20 | bizkut | not update it yet |
| 16:37.30 | florian_kc | that shpuld be fine too... |
| 16:37.50 | hrw|work | 154 is fine too |
| 16:38.40 | hrw|work | time to home |
| 16:38.40 | hrw|work | cu |
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| 16:49.07 | garrapatt | ok, the problem was that I added this line: "src es http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.3/feed/locale/es/" into the /etc/ipkg.conf file, thanks for your aid... |
| 16:50.22 | florian_kc | garrapatt: yw |
| 17:09.02 | pb_ | florian_kc: did you see the mail from this dude on the hx4700 who's been working on the navpoint? |
| 17:09.23 | florian_kc | pb_: not yet... let me see... |
| 17:09.26 | pb_ | er, that sentence didn't quite come out in the order I intended, but I guess you get the meaning |
| 17:09.32 | pb_ | it was on the hx4700-port list, I think |
| 17:10.11 | pb_ | sounds kind of cool, but he needs a way to turn the mouse pointer on when the navpoint is in use, and then hide it again when you go back to using the touchscreen |
| 17:10.28 | florian_kc | pb_: ah okay.. i'm not subscribed to this one... no hx4700 in this area :-/ |
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| 17:14.12 | Philippe | hi all |
| 17:14.38 | bizkut | hi Philippe |
| 17:15.14 | Philippe | hello bizkut |
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| 17:16.37 | florian_kc | hi Philippe |
| 17:17.39 | bizkut | is it possible to put all filesystem on a mmc? |
| 17:23.46 | florian_kc | bizkut: Ususally not, most devices can't boot from mmc... |
| 17:24.57 | bizkut | florian_kc: the image would be on flash as bootloader cant read mmc but the filesystem can reside on mmy once the driver loaded |
| 17:26.43 | florian_kc | That would be possible i guess, but it would be necessary to create a custom image. |
| 17:27.52 | bizkut | how about chage the root=/dev/mtdblock1 params to root=/dev/mmc/part1 or something |
| 17:29.29 | florian_kc | The disadvantage of this solution is speed and the filesystem. |
| 17:30.12 | bizkut | yeah the speed |
| 17:31.06 | bizkut | so it would be just fine to install custom apps on mmc |
| 17:31.06 | florian_kc | And you can't easily use jffs2 and ext2/3 is not aware of the special needs of flash. |
| 17:31.46 | bizkut | can't jffs2 used in mmc? is it also a flash? |
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| 17:33.30 | florian_kc | yes but a block device and not directly accessed through mtd. |
| 17:38.09 | garrapatt | where can I find the package: "gpe-session-scripts" precompiled for arm?, becase I can't find it into: http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.3/feed/ , and in google, I only find the souces... |
| 17:39.51 | florian_kc | garrapatt: it might be in the x11 feed |
| 17:40.44 | garrapatt | no, if isn't, but is a necesary package for install "gpe-task-base"... |
| 17:42.05 | garrapatt | in the 0.8.2 version it is, but, only for the c7x0 architecture, no for arm... |
| 17:42.28 | pb_ | oh dear, that is unfortunate |
| 17:42.33 | pb_ | file a bug and assign it to koen |
| 17:43.27 | florian_kc | garrapatt: that must be a bug in the feeds generation or something like this. |
| 17:43.39 | pb_ | yeah |
| 17:43.55 | garrapatt | must be, have any other source for obtain this file? |
| 17:44.10 | pb_ | I hope that next time koen builds some images, he uses the actual feeds rather than some local package repository |
| 17:47.13 | garrapatt | ok, have someone this file? ("gpe-session-scripts" by arm) |
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| 17:51.20 | florian_kc | garrapatt: Thats one of the packages which are specific for the target device... i have several... which one do you want? |
| 17:52.00 | garrapatt | for an Acer n30, the processor is: "ARM920Tid(wb) rev 0 (v4l)" |
| 17:52.14 | garrapatt | id like the h1940 |
| 17:53.32 | florian_kc | hmm... i guess my integral one would be good. |
| 17:53.39 | garrapatt | can I use the file for the c7x0 architectur? |
| 17:53.53 | garrapatt | where is it? |
| 17:56.21 | florian_kc | http://www.kernelconcepts.de/~fuchs/files/gpe-session-scripts_0.66-r3_integral13.ipk |
| 17:56.42 | florian_kc | just add "integral13" to /etc/ipkg/arch.conf |
| 17:57.05 | garrapatt | ok, thanks a lot... |
| 17:57.19 | garrapatt | is it for arm too? |
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| 17:57.55 | florian_kc | garrapatt: yes, thats a strongarm device... should be pretty compatible. |
| 17:57.59 | florian_kc | hi zecke |
| 17:58.35 | garrapatt | ok, thanks a lot.... |
| 17:59.45 | pb_ | hail zecke |
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| 18:02.15 | garrapatt | I obtain this warning when I try to install the file: "WARNING: Ignoring unknown configuration parameter: integral13" |
| 18:03.19 | garrapatt | must I put any other think into the /etc/ipkg/arch.conf file? |
| 18:03.36 | florian_kc | garrapatt: you need to add a line like "arch integral13 2" |
| 18:03.58 | garrapatt | ok, thx... |
| 18:07.14 | bizkut | how do i setup a PAN network to windowsxp? |
| 18:09.39 | bizkut | i have tried using pand and its connected but i can ping nothing |
| 18:10.10 | florian_kc | bizkut: did you configure the pan interface with an ip address? |
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| 18:10.38 | bizkut | how is it? |
| 18:10.42 | bizkut | ifconfig? |
| 18:10.46 | florian_kc | pb_: That mail looks good... i like proper support for some things popping up. |
| 18:10.54 | florian_kc | bizkut: yes |
| 18:11.23 | florian_kc | bizkut: you can use the network config thingy of gpe too - of course. |
| 18:11.45 | bizkut | i have configured it with ipaq 192.168.0.88 and my windowsxp 192.168.0.99 |
| 18:11.56 | bizkut | but i cant ping on both side |
| 18:12.46 | bizkut | how about the pand i issue pand -s GW is it right? |
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| 18:18.25 | bizkut | it connected, the bnep0 interface is up but i cant ping any ip yet |
| 18:18.52 | garrapatt | witch architectur is "all"?, is for all arm architecturs or what? |
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| 18:19.49 | reenoo | re |
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| 18:26.59 | pb_ | garrapatt: all architectures |
| 18:27.02 | pb_ | hi reenoo, ph5 |
| 18:27.19 | pH5 | hi pb_ |
| 18:27.36 | garrapatt | ok, I installed it, thx... |
| 18:27.37 | reenoo | hey pb_ |
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| 18:55.58 | garrapatt | Know anyone why I obtain this error: "gpe-login: relocation error: /lib/libz.so.1: symbol __deregister_frame_info, version GCC_3.0 not defined in file libgcc_s.so.1 with link time reference" when I try to run the gpe-login? |
| 19:15.49 | pb_ | later all |
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| 19:50.21 | mimecar | evening |
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| 20:50.18 | garrapatt | in witch package is the "tr" application? |
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| 20:52.28 | flo_lap | re |
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| 21:32.39 | garrapatt | does anyone know why the "gpe-bootsplash" give me this error: "mount: Mounting proc on /proc failed: Device or resource busy"?, does it need mount or remount the proc fs? |
| 21:33.08 | pb__ | that's harmless, just ignore it |
| 21:33.18 | garrapatt | the gpe show me the "boot" screen, but anythink more.. |
| 21:33.30 | garrapatt | ok... |
| 21:34.14 | garrapatt | but, for start the gpe, I must use the "gpe-bootsplash", and any think more? |
| 21:35.39 | pb__ | all gpe-bootsplash does is display a picture on the screen |
| 21:35.46 | pb__ | it doesn't have any other function |
| 21:35.50 | garrapatt | ok.. |
| 21:35.57 | pb__ | if you actually want to start gpe, use gpe-dm |
| 21:36.01 | garrapatt | and, what must I run for start the gpe? |
| 21:36.05 | garrapatt | ok.. |
| 21:36.35 | garrapatt | gpe-dm doesn't do anytink... |
| 21:36.45 | pb__ | check your syslog |
| 21:36.48 | garrapatt | ok.. |
| 21:37.58 | garrapatt | where is the syslog? |
| 21:38.21 | garrapatt | ok, I see it, sorry... |
| 21:39.50 | garrapatt | "gpe-dm: Xserver pid 2889 exited with status 127"... |
| 21:40.16 | garrapatt | must I install any other package?, the xserver or somethink? |
| 21:40.49 | pb__ | yes, you need an xserver |
| 21:41.43 | garrapatt | ok, I thought that ipkg installed it... |
| 21:41.48 | garrapatt | I'll install it, thanks... |
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| 22:02.44 | poli | About sketch book, I don't seem to manage to get text inputs together with the graphics. Does it accept text inputs? If not, is there some discussion about it I could take a look? |
| 22:04.08 | flo_lap | Not yet, but would be a cool feature.... |
| 22:05.02 | poli | Hum... I will report it as an enhancement, then, to see if more people get interested. |
| 22:07.00 | garrapatt | I installed xserver-common, but when I execute "xtscal" it told me "Couldn't open display", does anyone know why? must I install any other package, or anythink? |
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| 22:10.16 | mrc3 | hey, all! i have a problem compiling gpe-calendar. while linking, it says "undefined reference to `mimedir_vcal_read_file'". what gives? |
| 22:12.48 | flo_lap | mrc3: Your libmimedir is too old. |
| 22:13.11 | mrc3 | the one from sf.net didn't provide a .pc file, and the snapshot in the ftp is the one i finally used |
| 22:16.34 | flo_lap | garrapatt: looks like $DISPLAY isn't set correctly where you start something which wants to use X. |
| 22:18.13 | garrapatt | no, I think that is a problem of the packages, I must install the package of the X11, but I don't know what is it... |
| 22:18.24 | garrapatt | the DISPLAY is :0 |
| 22:18.28 | flo_lap | mrc3: try 0.3.1 from http://www.rittau.org/mimedir |
| 22:19.13 | garrapatt | Is xserver-commons the package for the X11? |
| 22:25.57 | Philippe | garrapatt, is X actually started? Otherwise you will get the same error... |
| 22:26.18 | garrapatt | no, X is not started... |
| 22:26.28 | garrapatt | I don't know in witch package is it... |
| 22:27.19 | mrc3 | flo_lap, thanks, i got rid of that one! |
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| 22:28.47 | Philippe | garrapatt, xserver-common should contains most of the x stuff I think however I do not know the details as I usually use complete images |
| 22:29.37 | garrapatt | no, in xserver commons I don't have the server.. |
| 22:29.39 | florian | re |
| 22:29.55 | mrc3 | now, i have an undefined reference to "dbus_message_append_iter_init" (and others from dbus), and grep confirms it's not in my libs |
| 22:30.10 | florian | garrapatt: thats xserver-kdrive-<something> |
| 22:30.16 | pb__ | mrc3: you need a better dbus |
| 22:30.39 | pb__ | actually, I guess you need a worse dbus. that function was removed in newer versions, iirc. |
| 22:30.52 | mrc3 | oh, ok! 'cause i have 0.60 |
| 22:31.02 | garrapatt | witch command do you use to start the X11 normally? |
| 22:31.44 | pb__ | mrc3: yah, familiar 2.7 is intended for use with dbus 0.23.1 or some such. that said, most of the current gpe bits should auto-detect dbus 0.60 and do the right thing. |
| 22:31.47 | florian | pb__, mrc3: Or a newer gpe-calendar, latest version should detect the correct version. |
| 22:31.56 | pb__ | right, what florian said |
| 22:32.38 | Philippe | garrapatt, on my Ipaq the command line seems to be : Xfbdev -br -pn -dpi 100 -screen 320x240@90 -rgba vrgb |
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| 22:33.04 | garrapatt | ok, I'll search the package who contains Xfbdev... |
| 22:33.05 | garrapatt | thanks a lot.. |
| 22:33.19 | mimecar | eevning... |
| 22:33.41 | florian | hi mimecar |
| 22:34.44 | florian | garrapatt: thats xserver-kdrive-<something> |
| 22:34.56 | mimecar | has toolchain all the libs needed for develop on gpe ? |
| 22:35.05 | mrc3 | i have gpe-calendar-0.69, which seems to be the latest from the ftp |
| 22:35.36 | florian | mrc3: hmm... that should be okay, sounds like a bug in pH5's patch. |
| 22:35.44 | garrapatt | ok, I'll search it, thanks.. |
| 22:36.01 | florian | mimecar: the familiar experimental sdk might be a good choice. |
| 22:36.24 | mimecar | I know toolchain can compile programs for zaurus |
| 22:36.26 | poli | damn... bugzilla has the power to hang epiphany and consume all my cpu power... it could be used to fight terrorism and make the enemy computers useless. |
| 22:37.27 | garrapatt | "xserver-kdrive-fake" what is it??? |
| 22:37.42 | pb__ | phony xserver |
| 22:37.52 | mimecar | poli: or you can use konqueror :p |
| 22:37.58 | garrapatt | am, ok... |
| 22:38.27 | poli | mimecar: yeah... and have all those qt libs loaded... I guess I will end up hanging anyway lol |
| 22:39.09 | florian | mimecar: hmm.. check if the OZ people build one, you need a softfloat one then. |
| 22:39.15 | mimecar | is crash with the bugzilla web or with the program ? |
| 22:39.26 | florian | poli: i noticed the same effect yesterday |
| 22:39.40 | mimecar | florian: I was looking information, I haven't free time for developping |
| 22:40.11 | florian | mimecar: ok |
| 22:41.40 | mimecar | florian: I can develop sleeping, ;) |
| 22:42.43 | florian | mimecar: i faild with this ;-) |
| 22:44.19 | mimecar | my free time goes to my web |
| 22:44.35 | mimecar | sorry for the mistake on the sentence |
| 22:46.50 | florian | I'll mark some historc bugs fixed :-) |
| 22:46.54 | florian | eh historic |
| 22:47.02 | Philippe | poli, the bugzilla scripts seem to mess with browsers... |
| 22:47.03 | florian | *gnaa* |
| 22:47.29 | pb__ | florian: very good |
| 22:49.56 | florian | #153 :-) |
| 22:51.36 | pb__ | heh |
| 22:51.43 | mimecar | night all |
| 23:00.20 | CoreDump|home | hey |
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| 23:10.25 | florian | hrm... #1490 is a nasty one. |
| 23:11.15 | pb__ | yeah |
| 23:11.42 | pb__ | nasty enough, in fact, that I am going to bed now rather than think about it any more :-} |
| 23:11.44 | pb__ | good night |
| 23:11.52 | florian | pb__: well... |
| 23:12.02 | florian | pb__: good night |
| 23:12.04 | florian | btw |
| 23:12.23 | reenoo | 'night pb__ |
| 23:12.42 | florian | I got a call from some guy who tried to import 2000 contacts into gpe-contacts at once. |
| 23:12.50 | pb__ | heh |
| 23:12.55 | pb__ | I guess he was unsuccessful |
| 23:13.27 | jaxso1 | God night pb___: Hello everybody. I tried to flash the new image of GPE last night |
| 23:13.35 | florian | pb__: oops... i forgot to check about your question in #hh.org |
| 23:14.00 | jaxso1 | And it worked great! Thanks for great software ;) |
| 23:14.20 | florian | oh... thats the one - forget what i said. |
| 23:14.57 | pb__ | yeah, I guessed that was the one you meant |
| 23:15.04 | pb__ | heh |
| 23:15.11 | florian | pb__: just by accident :-) |
| 23:15.30 | florian | jaxso1: thats great to hear |
| 23:15.46 | Philippe | jaxso1, have fun with it |
| 23:15.56 | jaxso1 | I thought you guys needed some good news to :) |
| 23:16.03 | florian | yesss! |
| 23:16.23 | florian | after looking at #1490 ;-) |
| 23:16.35 | florian | eh 1491 |
| 23:16.56 | jaxso1 | Philippe: I going to test it out, and report about it when I tried it a bit more. |
| 23:17.20 | jaxso1 | Philippe: But it looks nice so far. |
| 23:20.37 | Philippe | jaxso1, good :-) |
| 23:20.57 | Philippe | mhh, it seems that the bugzilla default GPE query is not working all to well... |
| 23:23.11 | florian | Philippe: oh right i forgot to file a bug against bugzilla because of that. |
| 23:23.20 | florian | poli: uh |
| 23:23.30 | reenoo | florian: ! |
| 23:24.08 | florian | :-) |
| 23:25.49 | florian | reenoo: it knows tiself :-) |
| 23:26.58 | reenoo | self-conscious? scary |
| 23:27.15 | Philippe | I cannot change the status of bugs assigned to me? |
| 23:27.35 | poli | Philippe: ups... maybe you are talking about #1492? |
| 23:28.37 | garrapatt | I'll go to sleep, thanks a lot for your aid, see you... |
| 23:29.03 | Philippe | poli, indeed :-) |
| 23:29.32 | Philippe | ah it worked this time... |
| 23:29.37 | poli | Philippe: :) |
| 23:29.55 | Philippe | ~lart bugzilla weirdness |
| 23:31.21 | Philippe | anyway time to get some sleep |
| 23:31.29 | Philippe | goodnight all |
| 23:31.31 | poli | night, Philippe |
| 23:31.59 | florian | Philippe: good night |
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| 23:37.32 | pH5 | by what mechanism should packages with the old gpe Makefile system use LDFLAGS from the environment? |
| 23:37.43 | pH5 | I just had to do this: http://pastebin.ca/39337 to make gpe-soundserver compile. |
| 23:41.55 | pH5 | hi koen |
| 23:42.18 | florian | pH5: Thats strange indeed... usually the commend calling the linker in Makefile should use LDFLAGS. |
| 23:42.27 | florian | hi koen |
| 23:43.48 | florian | pH5: actually this seems to happen in this makefile too... |
| 23:47.36 | pH5 | florian: what do you mean? should the CC variable include LDFLAGS? |
| 23:48.35 | pH5 | other packages (for example gpe-dm) pass $(LDFLAGS) to $(CC) |
| 23:48.58 | pH5 | but in gpe-soundserver it's $(PACKAGE_LDFLAGS) instead |
| 23:51.40 | florian | pH5: usually not, but maybe CFLAGS and PACKAGE_CFLAGS where the target is linked. |
| 23:52.52 | koen | hey florian & pH5 |
| 23:59.00 | jaxso1 | God night all. |
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