| 00:03.36 | florian | Anyone interested in discussions about platform support, device status and configuration? |
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| 00:08.38 | mreimer | I am, but I haven't much time right now :-( |
| 00:11.11 | florian | mreimer: Hmm... right, its a little bit late today. |
| 00:11.17 | florian | here at least... |
| 00:17.25 | mreimer | so will this be your next project florian? |
| 00:17.35 | mreimer | or your last, before baby arrives :-) |
| 00:17.56 | florian | heh.. too big, the baby will be faster :-) |
| 00:19.08 | florian | mreimer: It will be one big thing in future. We need to provide an improved infrastructure for all this stuff in GPE and the topic is more than interesting. |
| 00:19.26 | mreimer | yes, definitely |
| 00:19.56 | florian | I had a long discussion with nilsf today about things like this in a customer project. |
| 00:20.47 | mreimer | thanks for committing that patch florian |
| 00:22.56 | florian | mreimer: well... i have to thank. that one is a good example: Backlight setting is code we maitain in different places without a proper access control or a defined api the applications can rely on. |
| 00:24.59 | rob_w | i really cant stop working on that device |
| 00:25.14 | florian | rob_w: welcome to the club :-) |
| 00:25.38 | florian | hrm... the wireless drivers in my nbp cernel are crap |
| 00:27.30 | rob_w | well . so you say now i need to do svg`s to get proper bootlogo`s |
| 00:29.21 | rob_w | so much for my bootlogo animation plans |
| 00:29.39 | florian | Oh btw. what do you think about a GtkListStore with a SQL interface? |
| 00:29.47 | rob_w | wasnt there this kernel bootlogo animation |
| 00:29.54 | florian | rob_w: Its pretty easy with inkscape. |
| 00:30.28 | rob_w | for now i would be able to live with a png export to svg or similar |
| 00:31.30 | rob_w | hang on ,, i do have inkscape here |
| 00:33.28 | rob_w | done |
| 00:33.44 | reenoo | florian: I'd also like to have one common way to handle configuration/preferences. the current "every gpe app re-implements that type of thing" state is a mess |
| 00:34.56 | reenoo | florian: could be done with gconf-dbus. still have to actually try that... |
| 00:36.08 | florian | reenoo: yep... that would be one method. dbus seems to be always a good idea... it is great for all way of interfacing where componets don't need to know each other. |
| 00:37.35 | reenoo | yah, just need to check how large it is and what dependencies it pulls in |
| 00:38.56 | florian | e.g. define a common highlevel api for backlight control and it doesn't matter which software implements the actual controls: some hardware specific daemon, an universal sysfs tool or even kernel dbus. |
| 00:39.41 | rob_w | i created a svg from a png which is 800x600 with only a little logo in the middle .. but i see on the actual splash only white |
| 00:39.57 | florian | Indeed... and if someone is going to maintain this in future. |
| 00:40.42 | florian | Another approach would be to extend gpe-confd a little bit - but any duplicated work needs to be avoided. |
| 00:40.48 | reenoo | florian: right. that's the device abstraction stuff. I was referring to things like browser homepage URL, units in gpe-mileage, etc. |
| 00:41.28 | reenoo | florian: simple read/write key,value pairs operations actually |
| 00:41.50 | florian | reenoo: yes... if we make these two parts play togeter in a useful way that would be a powerful beckend. |
| 00:42.40 | florian | reenoo: e.g. for networking and related services: profiles, customisation and so on... |
| 00:45.29 | florian | For some things that might be related to both it might be tricky: Button configuration (depends on shipped mapping, hardware and user configuration). |
| 00:50.37 | reenoo | well. I still think these are two different issues. but anyways, we should probably look into opie's ODevice abstraction (I talked to mickey and he agreed on using a common library for gpe and opie), read up on project utopia, and probably check how maemo handles the device abstraction (if any...) and hardware interaction in general |
| 00:54.32 | florian | ODevice is c++ and a library interface only - that might be interesting for actual implementation but not that interesting for architecture issues. |
| 00:55.57 | florian | Utopia and maemo are things to look at... the arch of Maemo is based on a central data storage (gconf-dbus) and DBus APIs. |
| 00:56.12 | rob_w | ok 2.00 .. i am done .. |
| 00:56.43 | florian | Where dbus keeps things together not knowing about each other... thats an aspect interesting for GPE as well. |
| 00:56.48 | reenoo | florian: well. we should make sure that whatever we design can be hooked into ODevice |
| 00:57.48 | reenoo | florian: if just to get better support for the various Zs |
| 00:58.12 | florian | reenoo: true... that would be good for Opie. It might be pretty easy unless we do really wired things. |
| 01:03.47 | reenoo | http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/15.80.html#subj4.1 |
| 01:04.02 | reenoo | sounds familiar (pun intended) |
| 01:07.28 | florian | hmm.. IRIX 5.1?! |
| 01:08.40 | reenoo | yah, it's old. but the bloat issues are still the same |
| 01:12.54 | florian | thats pretty cool |
| 01:13.16 | florian | Would be something for tha maemo mailinglist ;) |
| 01:13.52 | florian | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:19.38 | florian | I wonder why this stupid debian kernel doesn't see the harddisk - i just formated it! |
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| 04:01.17 | CSMan | are there going to be any efforts in getting a SSL enabled mini-browser ? |
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| 05:03.28 | Vivaldi | hello |
| 05:03.36 | Vivaldi | what can i do with a palmtop? |
| 05:03.42 | Vivaldi | i have never seen one |
| 05:04.00 | Vivaldi | is it possible to use as it were a normal pc? |
| 05:04.11 | Vivaldi | can i play games, develop...etc..? |
| 05:04.17 | Vivaldi | what's the resolution? |
| 05:04.24 | Vivaldi | is there 3d acceleration? |
| 05:04.30 | Vivaldi | usb? |
| 05:06.36 | Cwiiis | Vivaldi: A lot, sometimes, yes, depends, rarely, occasionally |
| 05:08.49 | Vivaldi | Cwiiis, can the res achieve 800x6000? |
| 05:08.53 | Vivaldi | *600 |
| 05:09.46 | Cwiiis | Vivaldi: The Nokia 770 has a resolution of 800x480... That's the highest resolution in any device I know of that I'd classify as a palmtop |
| 05:12.21 | Vivaldi | Cwiiis, but...let's say... is it possible to download a package , unpack , compile , install and run as if i were on my pc? |
| 05:13.47 | Cwiiis | Vivaldi: That's the whole idea of the feeds in familiar/openzaurus and I believe the 770 has something similar too |
| 05:13.58 | Cwiiis | (short answer: yes) |
| 05:14.40 | Cwiiis | You can find a lot of this stuff out online - Try googling for 'Sharp Zaurus', 'Nokia 770', 'Familiar Linux', 'OpenZaurus' |
| 05:15.00 | Vivaldi | ok, which is the best? |
| 05:15.14 | Cwiiis | Well, that's a very subjective thing :) |
| 05:16.22 | Cwiiis | Given I've only ever owned 3, I don't know how well I can comment - At the moment, I'd really like to get a hold of a Nokia 770 - That said, the Sharp Zaurus C1000 is also rather nice |
| 05:17.41 | Cwiiis | I've owned a Sony Clie T675c, own a Zaurus SL5500 and am currently in possession of a Zaurus c700 - of those three, I'd say the T675 was easily the best at what it's meant to do, but the 5500 and the c700 are more fun to play around with |
| 05:19.54 | Cwiiis | Hopefully with the efforts of the GPE and Opie people, and the efforts of other people working on similar things will mean that the Zaurus series will be as useful as the Sony Clie series... One day :) |
| 05:20.32 | Vivaldi | i am looking at the nokia770. it does not have support for cellular cards :( |
| 05:20.46 | Cwiiis | It has bluetooth support though if you wanted to use your phone as a modem |
| 05:21.03 | Vivaldi | well..it's not really the same things |
| 05:21.09 | Cwiiis | no :) |
| 05:21.26 | Vivaldi | i would avoid to take the phone when i go out |
| 05:22.24 | Cwiiis | It sounds like you're looking for a Palm or a PocketPC really, as much as I hate to say it... The Zaurus is more for hackers and enthusiasts than anything at the moment |
| 05:22.49 | Cwiiis | And the 770 is an internet tablet |
| 05:23.06 | Vivaldi | yes |
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| 07:08.42 | Russ | hey pb_ |
| 07:08.59 | Russ | it seems like if you suspend while connected to a NAP, gpe-bluetooth stops working right |
| 07:10.23 | Russ | in devices, its think the PAN is connected, but pand -l says no |
| 07:10.51 | Russ | doing disconnect and then connect makes the connection show up on the server |
| 07:11.09 | Russ | but not the iPAQ |
| 07:11.36 | Russ | doing disconnect again doesn't change the state, it still says connected on the server |
| 07:11.48 | Russ | and then connect again shows "Connection failed" |
| 07:14.12 | Russ | pand -c <id> from the command line and eveything works |
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| 08:23.12 | XorA | morning |
| 08:30.20 | Russ|iPAQ | morning |
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| 09:19.52 | XorA | hey mallum |
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| 09:29.45 | mallum | hey XorA |
| 09:35.43 | XorA | mallum: cheers for fixing that xsettings bug I posted |
| 09:35.47 | XorA | mallum: you rule |
| 09:36.39 | mallum | XorA: np, did it work ? |
| 09:37.12 | mallum | XorA: it was a highly embarisingly stupid bug Im suprised no one ( including myself ) had noticed before |
| 09:37.25 | XorA | mallum: built svn this morning and it is now working, using gpe-conf to change Application Font ie Gtk/FontName changes the menu font as well |
| 09:37.41 | mallum | XorA: I have a few more patches and stuff to go through then I'll roll out some new releases ( finally! ) |
| 09:37.48 | mallum | XorA: cool |
| 09:37.50 | johnX | wow cool |
| 09:37.54 | johnX | I can throw out my hacks |
| 09:37.57 | XorA | mallum: well we noticed it wasnt working, but I was fortunate enough to get time to mess with it |
| 09:38.33 | XorA | I think that means GPE can now be made to run at 200DPI |
| 09:40.01 | mallum | XorA: are you running latest panel from svn also ? |
| 09:40.02 | hrw|work | mallum: new release would be great then - oz 3.5.4/fam 0.8.3 are going to release soon |
| 09:40.35 | XorA | mallum: no |
| 09:41.31 | XorA | mallum: some new features? |
| 09:41.34 | mallum | XorA: all the applet niggles ( system, wireless ) should be fixed now |
| 09:42.28 | XorA | mallum: firing up a build now |
| 09:47.04 | __law__ | 200DPI gpe wow |
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| 10:09.02 | koen | good morning all |
| 10:10.01 | obergix[work] | hi koen |
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| 10:10.51 | rob_w-cgi | hi also here |
| 10:11.16 | koen | rob_w-cgi: bootsplash can also handle plain png files |
| 10:11.50 | koen | we prefer svgs to save space and it looks good on all resolutions, albeit slowly |
| 10:11.55 | rob_w-cgi | oh does it ? |
| 10:12.25 | rob_w-cgi | great ..i saw as loading the standard gpe logo on my unit with 800x600 takes more then 6 sec |
| 10:12.40 | koen | mallum: the OE release branch currently ships a frankenstein mb-panel |
| 10:12.51 | koen | mallum: release + patches from svn + other patches |
| 10:13.32 | rob_w-cgi | as i will have a heavily tailored gpe-image my start up scripts dont take too long .. so now need for gpe-bootsplash .. instead i wll try to get the linux progress patch with animated logo of the kernel ot run |
| 10:13.58 | koen | you can combine those |
| 10:14.10 | koen | leave a black section in the png/svg and it will look great |
| 10:14.35 | koen | I wanted to do that for openzaurus/c7xx, but I lack the time :( |
| 10:14.37 | rob_w-cgi | hey i plan to boost gpe-conf keyboard buttons .. into a app to be tailored freely on-the-fly so i can move around buttons on top of a scetched images |
| 10:14.54 | rob_w-cgi | koen cool idea |
| 10:15.25 | rob_w-cgi | it should be possible to have gtk widgest to be dragged around on-the-fly , right ? |
| 10:15.25 | koen | (E)LPP is cute, but too geeky for normal users |
| 10:16.01 | rob_w-cgi | yeah but you blast your users away on the first impression :-) |
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| 10:16.35 | XorA | koen: new libmb from svn is working great with defaulting to Gtk/FontName now, I have my whole GPE running at 200 dpi |
| 10:16.54 | rob_w-cgi | that gpe-keyboad boost will then mutate into a app fit any controlled hardware is want controll .. motors , engines n stuff |
| 10:17.23 | rob_w-cgi | XorA wow i want such dpi also |
| 10:18.06 | XorA | rob_w-cgi: you got a 640x480 screen? |
| 10:18.21 | rob_w-cgi | also i saw that gpe-summary use transparence to lay on top of the matchbox background but the font colour is black .. |
| 10:18.28 | rob_w-cgi | XorA 800x600 enough ? |
| 10:18.50 | koen | rob_w-cgi: the animation is cool, but does an average user care that it's at '20%' or at '20% - S06udevd'? |
| 10:19.07 | XorA | rob_w-cgi: well what DPI is your screen, cant magically squash your screen :-) |
| 10:19.25 | rob_w-cgi | need to check .. no idea yet |
| 10:19.33 | koen | 800x600 and 12"? |
| 10:19.45 | koen | that's ~70DPI iirc |
| 10:19.53 | rob_w-cgi | koen yep |
| 10:20.02 | rob_w-cgi | oh |
| 10:20.33 | florian_kc | XorA: cool |
| 10:20.38 | florian_kc | good morning btw |
| 10:20.46 | hrw|work | hi florian_kc |
| 10:21.00 | XorA | btw what happens on a 100dpi machine if you remove the fixed pixel sizes from theme.xml? |
| 10:21.17 | rob_w-cgi | so is it possible to have moveable widgets on gtk fe on right click events ? |
| 10:21.41 | koen | rob_w-cgi: gnome-panel seems to do it ('move applet') |
| 10:21.57 | rob_w-cgi | koen , right |
| 10:22.10 | XorA | for fonts I mean |
| 10:22.35 | rob_w-cgi | and gpe-conf buttons also does somehow but not on-the-fly ,but at least from a external config file |
| 10:23.56 | rob_w-cgi | i wonder is gnuplot is able tobe used with real time data ? |
| 10:24.09 | rob_w-cgi | *is new to gnuplot |
| 10:24.25 | koen | not that I know off |
| 10:24.41 | koen | gtk-extra might be what want |
| 10:25.13 | rob_w-cgi | well i didnt meant hard real time but ongoing updates |
| 10:25.14 | koen | rob_w-cgi: http://gtkextra.sourceforge.net/ |
| 10:26.50 | XorA | which package does gpe-logout come from? |
| 10:27.26 | florian_kc | gpe-session-scripts |
| 10:27.36 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 10:27.59 | bedboi | it should be good having some widget for displaying realtime data in gpe |
| 10:28.24 | rob_w-cgi | florian_kc hehe |
| 10:28.46 | rob_w-cgi | tthat GtkPlot looks promising .. |
| 10:28.56 | rob_w-cgi | the ape learns , eh |
| 10:28.57 | mallum | koen: yeah gradually sorting through what patches to panel have been submitted to OH bugzilla and adding/fixing etc |
| 10:29.31 | mallum | koen: the 2.6 sys mon patch and hostap patches are in ( if a bit modified ) |
| 10:29.47 | mallum | koen: pb's cancel message patch is in. Just need to add the other one |
| 10:30.05 | koen | gtk-extra is in OE, btw |
| 10:30.32 | koen | the https://www.wiisard.org/ people wanted to use it with their gpe setup |
| 10:30.33 | rob_w-cgi | cool .. gtkplot will be next , hopefully |
| 10:31.14 | koen | mallum: any chance the inputmgr patch will go in as well? |
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| 10:38.58 | XorA | is it just me, but I find adding style=Roman to the font for rxvt generated by gpe-conf makes a much nicer terminal font |
| 10:39.40 | koen | in .Xdefaults? |
| 10:40.01 | XorA | koen: yes |
| 10:40.27 | XorA | koen: mine currently is xft:Mono:style=Roman:pixelsize=10 |
| 10:40.42 | hrw|work | that reminds me that I need to install dejavu fonts in gpe and remove crappy vera |
| 10:40.58 | koen | hrm |
| 10:41.03 | koen | pixelsize |
| 10:41.57 | florian_kc | scary ;-) |
| 10:42.14 | hrw|work | will gpe migrate to dejavu? |
| 10:42.35 | koen | dejavu solves some bugs with freetype iirc |
| 10:42.45 | rob_w-cgi | so is something gpe shown at embedded world in nuernberg ? |
| 10:42.48 | rob_w-cgi | or cebit ? |
| 10:43.38 | hrw|work | koen: and have more glyphs |
| 10:45.17 | koen | ~lart sigma lenses for being expensive |
| 10:48.07 | XorA | did gpe-conf 0.1.29 not make it into .dev? |
| 10:49.08 | koen | I have no way of testing it in .dev, so I didn't add it there |
| 10:49.37 | koen | maybe florian added it? |
| 10:50.00 | florian_kc | Is there any drawback in moving to dejavu? |
| 10:50.07 | XorA | its a bit wierd when branch is ahead of .dev |
| 10:50.42 | koen | It is indeed a bit unfortunate |
| 10:51.12 | florian_kc | rob_w-cgi: I don't think so, so far i'm not aware of an offer from Cebit or e.w. |
| 10:51.47 | florian_kc | koen: oh what? Sigma is cheap :-) |
| 10:52.10 | koen | cheaper as canon, but not really cheap |
| 10:52.35 | koen | XorA: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.17200.png |
| 10:52.40 | florian_kc | koen: not so far... maybe this weekend... |
| 10:53.01 | koen | florian_kc: sigma 80-400MM OS EX -> E1000,- |
| 10:53.20 | XorA | koen: yes, thats what mine looks like |
| 10:53.57 | koen | the font looks 'thinner' |
| 10:54.05 | koen | nice |
| 10:54.12 | florian_kc | koen: hrm.. 1:4.5 to 5.6 :-/ |
| 10:54.22 | XorA | koen: I find without Style=Roman it looks too gappy |
| 10:54.32 | XorA | too much space between chars I mean |
| 10:54.38 | florian_kc | iirc the is a 2.8... okay, i guess > 3000 |
| 10:54.42 | koen | florian_kc: that's indeed a bit slow, but it has a stabilizer |
| 10:55.24 | koen | florian_kc: http://www.sigma-foto.de/cms/front_content.php?client=1&lang=1&idcat=36&idart=99 |
| 10:56.58 | koen | s/new lenses/a new lens/ |
| 10:57.51 | koen | mallum: that corruption I told you about is also present without composite, but composite higlights it by being slower to paint over it |
| 11:05.39 | florian_kc | koen: Thats pretty nice... personally i'd prefer to split the features into two lenses. |
| 11:08.35 | koen | florian_kc: surprisingly it was one of the cheapest 400mm lenses I could find that where a) sturdy b) sharp |
| 11:21.42 | hrw|work | gpe-conf/look&feel has too small 'font info' fields |
| 11:22.18 | hrw|work | http://www.hrw.one.pl/tmp/Screenshot-1.png - it's 'Dejavu Sans Mono' |
| 11:22.32 | hrw|work | but field show only 'Dejavu Sans' |
| 11:24.49 | hrw|work | XorA: thx for 'style=' hint |
| 11:24.53 | hrw|work | Rxvt*font: xft:DejaVu Sans Mono:pixelsize=10:style:Regular |
| 11:26.57 | XorA | hrw|work: on my gpe-conf the font name actually continues to render beyond the width of the widget |
| 11:28.49 | hrw|work | XorA: when I press that button I got full names |
| 11:29.00 | hrw|work | XorA: but when switch to tab it show wrong info |
| 11:30.23 | XorA | hrw|work: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.1297.png |
| 11:30.34 | florian_kc | koen: yep... 400mm is expensive |
| 11:31.06 | florian_kc | XorA: interesting effect... |
| 11:31.43 | hrw|work | XorA: I got 'Dejavu San' on that tab |
| 11:32.19 | hrw|work | XorA: instead of 'Dejavu Sans' |
| 11:32.35 | hrw|work | florian_kc: gtk/gpe widgets has problems with scaling? |
| 11:37.27 | florian_kc | hrw|work: usually not... maybe some packaing madness. |
| 11:39.28 | florian_kc | I hope that i manage to care about this on the weekend... currently i need to code with brain and Openoffice creating concepts and designs for future platforms. |
| 11:42.21 | hrw|work | the more I use gpe the more I like it. but I want opie apps under x11 anyway |
| 11:42.39 | koen | opie/x11 would be great |
| 11:43.04 | hrw|work | koen: yep. too bad that we lack 'develpower' for it ;( |
| 11:43.26 | XorA | do we mean qt/x11 opie apps, or a gtk port? |
| 11:43.39 | hrw|work | XorA: qt4/x11 opie apps |
| 11:43.43 | koen | hrw|work: that's because every 'cool addition' will be shot down by ljp for 'compatibility' |
| 11:44.52 | hrw|work | koen: I lately looked at qtopia 2.2 and compared it to opie 1.2.1+ - qtopia looks like crap and lack things |
| 11:45.00 | koen | yeah |
| 11:45.10 | koen | I used qtopia 2.1b for a while |
| 11:45.38 | koen | 2.2 should look a bit better |
| 11:45.38 | hrw|work | anyway we will add part of qtopia 2.2 into OE. part named qt/e 2.3.12 |
| 11:45.57 | koen | qtopia-core you mean ;) |
| 11:46.10 | florian_kc | Wouldn't it be terribly easy to make qt/e just paint into a window instead of a framebuffer? |
| 11:46.40 | koen | florian_kc: noone wnat to work on qt/e 2.x |
| 11:46.41 | hrw|work | florian_kc: there was such hack made by someone (using fullscreen window) but it suxx |
| 11:46.54 | koen | wants* |
| 11:51.19 | XorA | did they make huge incompatible changes between qt/e 2.X and qt4/x11? |
| 11:51.58 | koen | there is a opie/qt4 branch |
| 11:52.04 | koen | iirc it's mostly threading issues |
| 11:52.46 | florian_kc | Uh threads... |
| 11:53.06 | XorA | theads suck |
| 11:53.26 | hrw|work | api changed a lot |
| 11:55.28 | XorA | maybe we be lucky and google do another summer of code and some student can be persuaded |
| 11:58.14 | koen | root@ipaq-pxa270:~# dd if=/media/cf/hx.jffs2 of=/dev/mtdblock2 |
| 12:01.50 | hrw|work | building gnumeric takes time.. |
| 12:02.39 | XorA | that reminds, did law release gnome-vfs-dbuf svn .bb? |
| 12:03.15 | koen | he did |
| 12:03.20 | florian_kc | yes he did, but it didn't build for me yesterday... |
| 12:03.26 | koen | http://helmsdeep.homelinux.net/~pat/gnome/ |
| 12:14.07 | XorA | florian_kc: it justbuilt here |
| 12:14.56 | XorA | the PV in package names is fscked though |
| 12:15.50 | florian_kc | ah good, let me try in the othere env here... |
| 12:20.32 | florian_kc | Hrm.. i got: error: `DBUS_NAME_FLAG_PROHIBIT_REPLACEMENT' undeclared |
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| 12:31.23 | florian_kc | koen: both ewi and vanille.de suffere from some trouble. connecting to ewi just sits there and vanille server vanished. |
| 12:40.03 | koen | florian_kc: try now |
| 12:40.49 | florian_kc | koen: one sec... |
| 12:41.13 | florian_kc | i'll add gnome-vfs-dbus now. |
| 12:55.59 | florian_kc | koen: many thanks |
| 13:00.52 | florian_kc | "read from fd 6 (peer monotone.vanille.de) closed OK after goodbye" |
| 13:01.59 | koen | I had to restart the server to fix ciabot |
| 13:02.13 | florian_kc | ah okay |
| 13:02.18 | florian_kc | brb, food |
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| 13:40.22 | florian_kc | re |
| 13:43.15 | hrw|work | hmm.. is it gnumeric or matchbox fault.. if in gnumeric I select 'View/fullscreen' then there is no way to go back - I can unselect it but it stay fullscreen.. |
| 13:46.25 | hrw|work | any ideas? |
| 13:46.59 | XorA | hrw|work: need a working gnumeric to test with :-) |
| 13:49.07 | hrw|work | I also have 'Other/Control Panel' which is not working - in /usr/share/applications/gpe-conf.desktop it looks like it is 'gpe-appmgr' which does not exist on my c760 |
| 13:50.14 | florian_kc | hrw|work: iirc it works fine for gpe-mini-browser. |
| 13:50.30 | hrw|work | florian_kc: also for rxvt |
| 13:51.35 | hrw|work | fullscreen on 'menu' key is nice in rxvt |
| 13:52.22 | hrw|work | uf. it works for gnumeric too |
| 13:52.24 | florian_kc | hrw|work: do you have gpe-conf-panel installed? As long as the distribution is using matchbox-desktop there is no use in having this installed. |
| 13:52.52 | hrw|work | florian_kc: I have it installed |
| 13:53.20 | hrw|work | but I could install it by hand when upgraded gpe-conf |
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| 13:56.17 | hrw|work | brb |
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| 14:15.36 | XorA | hunky-serif blows up apps same way as vera fonts do :-( |
| 14:24.43 | hrw|work | XorA: dejavu too? |
| 14:25.10 | XorA | hrw|work: still no problems with dejavu |
| 14:25.22 | XorA | must be an arm only bug in freetype somewhere |
| 14:27.59 | hrw|work | perhaps |
| 14:34.39 | ArjanS | hi guys |
| 14:34.42 | ArjanS | got a small question |
| 14:35.09 | ArjanS | I set the network addresses in gpe-conf correctly for usb0, but it doesn't apply them to the interface... |
| 14:35.12 | hrw|work | hi Arjan |
| 14:35.25 | ArjanS | does gpe-conf react to the interface appearing/disappearing? |
| 14:35.44 | hrw|work | I suspect that it is not |
| 14:36.11 | florian_kc | ArjanS: It should set up /etc/network/interfaces... it doesn't react because it doesn't run all the time. |
| 14:37.01 | ArjanS | can you tell me what the conditions are for the settings to be applied? I started gpe with usb0 down, might that be the problem? |
| 14:38.11 | ArjanS | anyway, when I make the interface disappear (instead of going down), and let it reappear, the settings are applied? |
| 14:38.22 | florian_kc | hmm... maybe, i should take a look at the code but iirc it applies the settings instantly on active interfaces only. but "ifup usb0" should do the trick. |
| 14:38.34 | koen|away | maybe it requires a '/etc/init.d/networking restart' ? |
| 14:40.30 | ArjanS | the reason I'm asking is because I'm looking at hotplugging the usb cable, for usbnet purposes. should I make the interface disappear when the cable isn't attached, and appear when it gets attached? |
| 14:40.52 | ArjanS | would that trigger automatically applying the settings? |
| 14:42.15 | hrw|work | ArjanS: you have 2.6 on device? use udev then |
| 14:42.56 | ArjanS | yeah, I have 2.6 |
| 14:43.07 | florian_kc | hmmm i think so, that should hapen imho.. |
| 14:43.11 | florian_kc | eh happen |
| 14:45.09 | ArjanS | well, we have the choice now how to let the driver react to cable attaching/unplugging, and my question is what it should do to be picked up by udev/hotplug/gpe-conf/whatever |
| 14:45.17 | hrw|work | I usually set usb0 as 'auto' and load g_ether on boot. this gives me working usb0 all the time nevermind does I have cable attached |
| 14:46.09 | ArjanS | doesn't that use extra power? |
| 14:46.50 | koen | in theory yes, in practice no |
| 14:47.01 | ArjanS | oh okay :) |
| 14:50.53 | ArjanS | in that case, should usb0 be set to 'auto' to be used by default? I did set it to 'static' and it is still down after starting gpe |
| 14:52.14 | hrw|work | ArjanS: auto usb0\n interface usb0 static\naddress ...\npointopoint ...\n is enough |
| 14:52.39 | hrw|work | iface usb0 inet static I meant |
| 14:59.35 | ArjanS | checked it, and it says 'auto lo', so it might be handy to have something in network options to set the active interface... |
| 15:01.30 | florian_kc | We need a connectivity manager :-) |
| 15:01.35 | ArjanS | indeed :) |
| 15:01.46 | ArjanS | but I saw a scap from someone who was working on that |
| 15:02.06 | koen | we also need a ifup/ifdown app |
| 15:07.23 | ArjanS | I'd love to build such things... but unfortunately my pda isn't entirely supported yet :( |
| 15:07.55 | florian_kc | koen: no... that would be managed by this one. just select a connection which includes the hardware to be used.... no need to do this manually then. |
| 15:08.32 | koen | florian_kc: that would only leave ifdown to be implemented :) |
| 15:09.03 | florian_kc | koen: call it "disconnect" |
| 15:10.02 | koen | that would work |
| 15:10.18 | koen | (but break horribly for multiple interfaces) |
| 15:13.17 | florian_kc | koen: we talk about pdas and similar mobile devices. usually you don't use multiple ip connections at one time. but even then it is pretty easy to implement disconnectin by connection. |
| 15:13.24 | koen | yeah |
| 15:13.50 | koen | some heuristics to say 'disconnect usb' 'disconnect bluetooth' 'disconnect wifi' wouldn't be too hard to come up with |
| 15:14.49 | florian_kc | No need to do this - you use a named connection profile to initiate a connection so you can use the same to disconnect. |
| 15:15.22 | ArjanS | that would be the simplest, also for users |
| 15:15.38 | koen | yay! |
| 15:15.45 | koen | localedef doesn't OOM on my hx |
| 15:15.55 | koen | (pure luck, I guess) |
| 15:16.32 | florian_kc | koen: yes... on my Simpad it works but fails on Integral and iPAQ. |
| 15:17.35 | koen | how does the bootsplash look on your simpad? |
| 15:19.01 | florian_kc | Pretty good the last time i tried. |
| 15:20.30 | koen | ah, the hx is working again |
| 15:20.59 | koen | root@ipaq-pxa270:~# ipkg install libgtkinput ; ipkg upgrade |
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| 15:28.09 | koen | florian_kc: the hour/minute marks are missing: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.22028.png |
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| 15:28.21 | koen | did I miss an update to gpe-clock/libgpewidget? |
| 15:28.48 | _law_|iBook | hi |
| 15:28.52 | koen | hey _law_|iBook |
| 15:30.04 | florian_kc | koen: have 0.107? |
| 15:30.11 | florian_kc | hi _law_|iBook |
| 15:30.52 | florian_kc | koen: this one scales down up to 16x16 :-) |
| 15:31.02 | koen | I noticed in the panelclock |
| 15:34.14 | koen | ibgpewidget1 - 0.107-r0 - |
| 15:46.13 | XorA | finallymy gnumeric is running again |
| 15:49.25 | XorA | now if only I could build abiword :-( |
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| 16:23.33 | _law_|iBook | hi florian_kc koen |
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| 16:40.25 | orangey | hey all! |
| 16:40.33 | orangey | how can I sync my contacts / calendar from GPE? |
| 16:44.12 | obergix[work] | orangey: with which computer on the other side ? |
| 16:44.57 | orangey | a regular ole linux with kde-pim as mymain pim |
| 16:53.08 | florian_kc | orangey: There is an OpenSync plugin for GPE (included in the latest OS release), but i'm not sure if kde-pim supports it. |
| 16:53.11 | obergix[work] | gpe-syncd + gpe opensync plugin on one side |
| 16:53.23 | obergix[work] | and kitchensync on kde ? |
| 16:53.26 | obergix[work] | dunno |
| 16:53.43 | obergix[work] | florian_kc: and not sure it won't eat the data ;) |
| 16:53.54 | florian_kc | heh |
| 16:53.57 | obergix[work] | looks like opensync and kde are now working together... |
| 16:54.10 | obergix[work] | although opensync seems a bit unresponsive recently... |
| 16:54.13 | florian_kc | <- tired |
| 16:54.17 | obergix[work] | maybe armin bauer on holidays ? |
| 16:54.32 | florian_kc | yep... i guess so :-) |
| 16:59.42 | orangey | hmmm. |
| 16:59.52 | orangey | and is there a gpe-mail? |
| 17:00.16 | orangey | I must say, all of these problems would go away if ko/pi would work on GPE.. It's silly to spend so much time working on a gpe solution when ko/pi is so mature. |
| 17:01.01 | orangey | florian_kc: where's the opensync plugin? |
| 17:01.17 | florian_kc | orangey: Not really... depending on the device you can use Sylpheed. |
| 17:01.58 | florian_kc | orangey: its included in the latest Opensync release. you need a really up to date libmimedir as well. |
| 17:02.25 | orangey | latest opensync? i.e., for my computer-side? |
| 17:04.21 | florian_kc | right |
| 17:06.56 | orangey | sadly no packages for it in ubuntu.. alright, I'm outtie |
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| 19:00.25 | rob_w | so those nicer fonts i only get with libxxx update , right ? |
| 19:01.15 | koen | libmb iirc |
| 19:01.33 | koen | mreimer: I just pasted some C for the backlights in gpe-conf |
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| 19:02.07 | mreimer | koen: what timing. :-) I suppose you saw bug 1482? |
| 19:02.13 | koen | yes |
| 19:02.30 | mreimer | haven't tested it yet. now's a good time... |
| 19:02.49 | koen | I wrote 2.6 support for minilite in a distant past |
| 19:02.59 | mreimer | yeah, I remember that |
| 19:03.06 | mreimer | it works, but it sure messes with the screen |
| 19:03.08 | koen | florian, pb_ and reenoo cleaned up the code a bit after that :) |
| 19:03.12 | mreimer | :-) |
| 19:03.46 | mreimer | that and other code needs to go in a compatibility library instead of being replicated in three different places. I'm glad florian's starting to think about that :-) |
| 19:03.53 | koen | indeed |
| 19:05.08 | mreimer | strange, minilite doesn't mess with the screen the way gpe-conf does |
| 19:06.32 | mreimer | koen, is that code tested and ready to commit? |
| 19:06.47 | koen | it is copy & paste from minilite |
| 19:06.55 | koen | and minilite works like a charm on the hx |
| 19:07.01 | france | hi |
| 19:07.07 | koen | I just installed RC2 on the hx today |
| 19:07.08 | koen | hey france |
| 19:07.24 | france | florian_kc: hi it appears that jamey had a newer version of update bugzilla in hhis |
| 19:07.36 | france | florian_kc: home dir, that is better. |
| 19:07.38 | france | koen: hi |
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| 19:07.44 | florian_kc | hi france |
| 19:07.57 | florian_kc | france: very good... |
| 19:08.08 | koen | france: I've done a test and ipkg-make-index doesn't OOM, but uses *a lot* of IO |
| 19:08.28 | koen | i.e. hh.org doesn't send mail when running ipkg-make-index |
| 19:08.39 | france | koen: :-( |
| 19:08.54 | france | koen: sounds like I need to move the mail to another server |
| 19:09.19 | bedboi | later all |
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| 19:09.20 | france | koen: the stuff on h7 is in the process of being moved to h2 |
| 19:09.37 | france | koen: more hd space, memory and slightly faster |
| 19:10.20 | france | koen: what happens if you "nice ipkg-make index"? |
| 19:10.38 | koen | it will probably run slower, but that's would be no problem |
| 19:11.01 | france | maybe slow enough to reduce the i/o? |
| 19:11.06 | koen | my grammer is a problem, though ;) |
| 19:11.15 | france | :-) |
| 19:11.17 | koen | france: I hope so |
| 19:12.04 | koen | it will open every .ipk in the feed (~8k) and move those to subfeeds |
| 19:12.50 | france | on h2 it will be much better, /home is a sperate raid array, so it should not effect i/o on / |
| 19:12.55 | koen | a solution would be to install an SMP alpha with 16G ram and do this in a 4G ramdisk |
| 19:13.21 | france | koen: :-D |
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| 19:14.41 | france | koen: h2 is running stress tests, to be sure it is sane before moving things to it. |
| 19:15.06 | koen | so cvs will have it's own machine and mail as well? |
| 19:16.16 | france | cvs will have 2 machines, cvs1.handhelds.org - anoncvs and cvsweb. cvs2.handhelds.org - cvs and anoncvs. anoncvs is on dns round robin. |
| 19:17.14 | france | and should either system go down, all the services will fail over to the other system, so we could end up with cvs, anoncvs and cvsweb running on one system, should either server fail. |
| 19:17.37 | mreimer | france, thanks for all your hard work on this--it's invaluable |
| 19:18.06 | france | mreimer: your welcome! |
| 19:18.21 | zecke | france: I agree with mreimer ;) |
| 19:19.09 | zecke | france: svnmirror allows you to easily keep svn repos synchronized |
| 19:19.29 | mreimer | koen, turns out that some old code from minilite is what's messing up gpe-conf screen on hx4700--it shouldn't be messing with lcd power, just backlight power |
| 19:20.01 | france | zecke: :-D |
| 19:20.21 | france | zecke: there are 5 things remaining on the todo list to bring up cvs2. Once it is up you can play with svn |
| 19:20.44 | france | zecke: it would be nice if it worked, as svn does somethings better than cvs. |
| 19:20.50 | florian_kc | mreimer, koen|tv: So this should be the first example to be replaced with a common device config backend. |
| 19:21.01 | mreimer | florian_kc: yes! |
| 19:21.25 | florian_kc | I'll try to hink a bit about this on the weekend... |
| 19:21.34 | florian_kc | s/hink/think |
| 19:22.18 | mreimer | florian_kc: in the meantime, when you get a chance would you mind committing gpe-conf/screen bugs 1482 and 1483? |
| 19:22.55 | florian_kc | uh |
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| 19:38.41 | florian_kc | koen|tv: You are right about the backlight issue, the only 2.6 device you can't make happy in that way is the 770. |
| 19:39.07 | florian_kc | But i really wonder if i maybe want to invest this time in a proper solution :-) |
| 19:50.24 | france | I must run bb in a couple of hours |
| 19:53.13 | florian_kc | bbl |
| 19:55.52 | rob_w | how do tell gpe-bootsplash to use png ? |
| 19:59.11 | rob_w | got it |
| 20:17.27 | rob_w | mallum, when i point xfbdev via -mouse it assumes as tslib touchscreen ..but my device is spitting out ps2 data already , what can i do ? |
| 20:19.19 | koen|tv | doesn't kdrive has a way to tell it's ps2? |
| 20:19.48 | rob_w | my tslib.conf uses module linear |
| 20:19.57 | rob_w | maybe there is a module ps2 ?!? |
| 20:20.26 | koen|tv | ah, try unsetting TSLIB* env vars |
| 20:20.57 | rob_w | i dont have any |
| 20:28.38 | koen|tv | root@ipaq-pxa270:~# hidd |
| 20:28.38 | koen|tv | 00:07:61:12:99:44 Logitech Bluetooth Mouse [046d:b001] connected |
| 20:28.40 | koen|tv | yay! |
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| 20:39.14 | koen|tv | blueprobe 0.17 is in the familiar feeds now |
| 20:39.26 | koen|tv | so h6300 and hx4700 can enjoy bluetooth as well |
| 20:40.48 | rob_w | koen|tv, nice |
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| 20:49.46 | ade|desk | koen|tv: when doing a build of gpe-image from .dev, any ideas how to get it to build all the deps ? |
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| 20:58.17 | mreimer | I'm having problems building libgpewidget-0.107. Is this that pkgconfig problem? |
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| 21:01.47 | koen|tv | ade|desk: no idea |
| 21:01.50 | koen|tv | mreimer: yes |
| 21:01.58 | mreimer | koen|tv: ah ok |
| 21:02.12 | mreimer | hmm, I think florian had an ipk up somewhere |
| 21:02.21 | koen|tv | mreimer: build with 0.106 and install 0.107 from the familiar feeds |
| 21:02.31 | mreimer | thanks koen|tv |
| 21:04.33 | koen|tv | mreimer: you also want to install blueprobe 0.17 on the hx |
| 21:04.45 | mreimer | thanks koen|tv. does that include tnb's patched hciattach? |
| 21:05.05 | koen|tv | no, only the bits to enable 115200bps bluetooth |
| 21:05.10 | mreimer | gotcha |
| 21:06.47 | mreimer | koen, have you seen a problem on hx4700 where matchbox-keyboard gets enormous, so only half the keyboard is visible? |
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| 21:16.23 | koen | mreimer: I have in the past |
| 21:16.36 | mreimer | do you recall the fix? |
| 21:16.57 | koen | mallum adjusted the dpi code iirc |
| 21:17.08 | mreimer | ok |
| 21:17.33 | koen | mreimer: try http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/matchbox-keyboard_0.0+svn20051212-r2_arm.ipk |
| 21:17.42 | mreimer | thanks koen |
| 21:17.45 | koen | I built that today and haven't had problems |
| 21:17.59 | koen | with http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/libgtkinput_0.3-r0_arm.ipk of course :) |
| 21:18.48 | mreimer | koen: that's better, but it hangs off the right side a bit. does yours? |
| 21:19.55 | koen | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.15141.png |
| 21:20.57 | mreimer | koen: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.15805.png |
| 21:21.22 | mreimer | your battery icon looks much nicer. is that because you're not using the default theme? |
| 21:21.35 | koen | mreimer: big screen version of mb-panel |
| 21:22.00 | mreimer | is that a separate ipk? or a patched one? |
| 21:22.21 | koen | since a few days a seperate one |
| 21:22.33 | koen | http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.3/feed/machine/ipaq-pxa270/matchbox-panel_0.9.2-r8_ipaq-pxa270.ipk |
| 21:22.33 | mreimer | is it on oz354fam083? |
| 21:22.37 | koen | it is |
| 21:22.44 | mreimer | thanks! |
| 21:24.06 | mreimer | what about the mb panel menu font size? I looked but couldn't find a knob for that |
| 21:24.24 | koen | updated libmb |
| 21:24.31 | mreimer | ok |
| 21:24.44 | koen | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/libmb1_1.7svn20051212-r1_arm.ipk |
| 21:25.09 | mreimer | any other ipaq-pxa270 niceties I should know about? :-) |
| 21:25.32 | mreimer | ah, battery icon looks much better |
| 21:25.34 | koen | most of them should be in the 0.8.3 feeds |
| 21:25.42 | mreimer | and now so do the menus |
| 21:27.02 | koen | mallum said he'd release a new version of libmb soon |
| 21:27.06 | koen | and mb-panel as well |
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| 21:27.10 | mreimer | great |
| 21:27.23 | mreimer | now to figure out why mb-keyboard is misbehaving... |
| 21:28.02 | CoreDump|afk | is there any other wm available / compilable for GPE besides matchbox? |
| 21:28.04 | koen | mreimer: xdyinfo | grep dots |
| 21:28.13 | koen | CoreDump|afk: any wm you want |
| 21:28.27 | mreimer | koen: resolution: 200x201 dots per inch |
| 21:28.51 | mreimer | it's only hanging over a little |
| 21:28.52 | koen | CoreDump|afk: this isn't qtopia vendor lock-in :p |
| 21:28.53 | CoreDump|afk | heh, porting would be rather difficult for me =) Tried xfce and e but both are b0rked in branch |
| 21:29.02 | CoreDump|afk | koen: heh |
| 21:29.26 | koen | xfwm doesn't like kdrive |
| 21:29.48 | CoreDump|afk | righto, keeps segfaulting |
| 21:30.11 | koen | with composite kdrive returns 24 bit (16 bit + 8bit alpha) which confuses xfwm |
| 21:30.30 | koen | s/bit/bit bitdepth/ |
| 21:30.34 | koen | gnaaa |
| 21:30.40 | koen | ibot: sed 0 |
| 21:30.45 | mreimer | koen, do you have any idea what needs fixing for composite to work right? |
| 21:31.18 | koen | mostly matchbox' compositor |
| 21:31.32 | koen | pb_ would know the details |
| 21:35.47 | koen | I wonder what xcompmgr could accomplish on a pda |
| 21:35.56 | koen | other than making it dead slow |
| 21:36.16 | mreimer | isn't that basically what matchbox is doing? |
| 21:36.25 | koen | it is |
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| 21:37.01 | koen | but afaik mb-composite doesn't handle ARGB windows |
| 21:37.20 | koen | e.g. transparent menus |
| 21:37.31 | mreimer | ah |
| 21:38.13 | koen | I stopped playing with it when I got my powerbook 1.5 years ago |
| 21:38.23 | mreimer | :-) |
| 21:39.54 | koen | mreimer: my hx is running on 100dpi btw |
| 21:40.04 | mreimer | really? on purpose? |
| 21:40.13 | koen | yes |
| 21:40.29 | mreimer | easier workaround for size issues? |
| 21:40.40 | koen | that's right |
| 21:40.50 | koen | most of them have been solved now |
| 21:41.07 | mreimer | so you could run 200 dpi now? |
| 21:41.49 | koen | yes |
| 21:41.49 | koen | widgets in webcore would be still huge, but at least matchbox and gpe can handle it |
| 21:42.00 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.40 | mreimer | hmm, why doesn't gpe-clock show the background? I have libgpewidget 0.107 and gpe-clock 0.23 |
| 21:42.58 | koen | no idea |
| 21:43.02 | koen | I get this: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.22028.png |
| 21:43.14 | mreimer | I get that too, except for the broken line |
| 21:43.22 | mreimer | gpe-clock was working fine on h2200 |
| 21:43.23 | koen | yeah, that's a scap problem |
| 21:49.18 | vtrowel | anyone here successfully used gpe-filemanager to browse samba shares? I have it working for FTP, but not for samba. both gnome-vfs-plugins-ftp and gnome-vfs-plugins-smb are installed. |
| 21:49.45 | vtrowel | when I try to browse a samba share, I get "invalid URI" error. |
| 21:52.19 | koen | haven't tried samba yet |
| 21:53.01 | mreimer | koen: I have a patch to /etc/init.d/irattach that sources /etc/sysconfig/irda rather than using the hardcoded value /dev/ttyS1. (h2200 uses /dev/ttyS2.) What would be the best way to create /etc/sysconfig/irda? At package install time, run a script that detects the machine type and writes the right info? |
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| 21:57.13 | koen | mreimer: yes, something like irdaprobe would be nice |
| 21:57.21 | rob_w | dont we have simple htttpd in oe ? |
| 21:57.27 | koen | rob_w: cherokee |
| 21:57.29 | rob_w | surely httpd , right |
| 21:57.34 | rob_w | ah |
| 21:58.35 | koen | mreimer: I think pb_ would be the man to discuss irdaprobe with |
| 21:59.20 | mreimer | ok thanks |
| 21:59.38 | mreimer | pb_, you around for a couple of questions? |
| 22:00.07 | koen | bbl |
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| 22:43.20 | mreimer | koen, I have a gpe-bootsplash_1.15.bb here with a bugfix. should I commit to .dev? |
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| 22:43.46 | koen | yes |
| 22:44.06 | koen | if it is a nice fix it will end up in the release branch |
| 22:44.45 | mreimer | all it does is call gpe-bootsplash a little later in the boot process, after udev has a chance to run, so the right devices for chvt exist |
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| 23:12.22 | florian | re |
| 23:14.01 | koen | florian: wb |
| 23:44.08 | pb__ | florian: good evening |
| 23:46.02 | florian | hi pb__ |
| 23:46.30 | florian | koen|sleep: good night |
| 23:51.55 | pb__ | night night |
| 23:53.18 | florian | pb__: good night |
