| 00:01.37 | vtrowel | gosh. i did "ipkg install -force-reinstall -force-overwrite gtk+", it said it reinstalled gtk+ 2.6.10-r2, and still gpe-edit says libpangocairo-1.0.so.0, no such file or directory |
| 00:02.56 | vtrowel | i'll try the same thing with pango maybe... |
| 00:04.50 | vtrowel | hey, i noticed that in Familiar if I'm executing a program, then trying to overwrite the executable while it's running, i can't. is that the case for shared libraries too? seeing as GTK libs are in use, maybe they can't be upgraded while logged in? |
| 00:05.53 | vtrowel | s/upgraded/replaced/ |
| 00:18.12 | florian | hmmm no, you can update running binaries using ipkg. |
| 00:23.25 | florian | good night |
| 00:24.38 | Cwiiis | Philippe: About? |
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| 08:27.23 | pb_ | dc__: morning |
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| 08:34.55 | jg | evening pb_ |
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| 08:44.37 | pb_ | hi jg |
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| 09:47.30 | hrw|work | morning |
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| 10:06.46 | florian_kc | hi all |
| 10:06.51 | pb_ | florian_kc: good morning |
| 10:10.40 | _law_ | florian_kc, hi |
| 10:11.03 | _law_ | is gpe-filemanager 100% dbus-0.60 compatible? |
| 10:11.23 | florian_kc | _law_: It is supposed to be... any trouble? |
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| 10:33.45 | _law_ | florian_kc, not yet going to build 0.60 now |
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| 11:13.51 | _law_ | florian_kc, i think gnome-vfs-dbus (oe version) doesnt support new dbus http://pastebin.com/522098 |
| 11:15.57 | florian_kc | _law_: oh... is that from dev or stable? |
| 11:16.11 | _law_ | florian_kc, dev |
| 11:17.41 | florian_kc | _law_: i see... we have gconf-dbus from svn, i guess we need the same for gnome-vfs-dbus. |
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| 12:06.04 | pb_ | florian_kc: finally, I think I have all the equipment I need to install linux on my hx4700 |
| 12:06.13 | pb_ | now all I need is a spare hour to do it in :-} |
| 12:11.38 | _law_ | hmm so someone have to build a .bb file :-) |
| 12:11.59 | florian_kc | ~lart Psion |
| 12:13.29 | florian_kc | _law_: indeed... |
| 12:15.34 | _law_ | have to go now, perhaps i have a look on it later |
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| 13:01.31 | florian_kc | hey koen|away |
| 13:02.05 | florian_kc | koen|away: Unprotected wifi there? |
| 13:02.34 | koen|away | no,, gprs |
| 13:02.48 | koen|away | they used to have wifi, though |
| 13:03.34 | koen|away | I put the mimedir fix in the branch |
| 13:03.44 | koen|away | ~lart copious free time without internet access |
| 13:04.56 | florian_kc | koen|away: yep - i saw the message, so we got rid of another issue. |
| 13:05.48 | florian_kc | that reminds me to the install kits |
| 13:06.08 | florian_kc | We really should do this soon... |
| 13:07.27 | florian_kc | I start to dream of 48hour days again ;-) |
| 13:08.03 | koen|away | heh |
| 13:09.26 | florian_kc | I built a familiar 0.8.3 for my nbp last night and spent hours to find out why it doesn't boot from flash anymore :-/ |
| 13:09.47 | hrw|work | hi koen |
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| 13:10.37 | koen|work | hey hrw|work |
| 13:10.45 | florian_kc | I'm really good at wasting time at the moment... |
| 13:11.15 | koen|work | I'm reading a book most of the day |
| 13:11.20 | koen|work | thanks to the wondrous planning skills of the dutch police |
| 13:11.50 | florian_kc | koen|away: heh... sounds like holidays ;-) |
| 13:12.04 | koen|work | I wish |
| 13:12.24 | koen|work | it's annoying, because I can't do any real work during that time |
| 13:12.38 | koen|work | no real internet, no study books available |
| 13:12.52 | koen|work | lots of coffee, though |
| 13:13.00 | florian_kc | koen|away: Hmm... gprs+ssh+remote box :-) |
| 13:13.21 | koen|work | That's what I did this afternoon |
| 13:13.46 | koen|work | but I have ~2s lag between keystrokes |
| 13:14.20 | koen|work | 64 bytes from 130.89.1.50: icmp_seq=5903 ttl=52 time=2474.813 ms |
| 13:15.40 | florian_kc | oh.. okay, thats no fun... |
| 13:16.01 | XorA | need to put terminal in buffered mode :-) |
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| 13:23.03 | florian_kc | Now we have three of this kind :-) |
| 13:23.16 | koen|work_ | ~lart gprs |
| 13:24.45 | koen|work_ | has anyone tried http://cryopid.berlios.de/ on his workstation yet? |
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| 13:26.22 | XorA | koen|work_: nice |
| 13:29.06 | florian_kc | koen|work_: That looks cool... |
| 13:30.41 | koen|work_ | it would be a nice thing to use together with dyntick |
| 13:31.01 | koen|work_ | iirc mallum said maemo uses something like that for background processes |
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| 13:37.54 | florian_kc | oops |
| 13:38.05 | koen|work__ | fwiw: anyone with combat boots and a blue sweater can get into a police station |
| 13:38.37 | koen|work__ | very good 'security' |
| 13:38.45 | florian_kc | heh |
| 13:38.56 | koen|work__ | florian_kc: I also met your twin brother |
| 13:39.04 | koen|work__ | The resemblance was scary |
| 13:39.09 | florian_kc | koen|work__: ! |
| 13:39.30 | koen|work__ | hair, face, beard -> exactly the same |
| 13:40.12 | koen|work__ | heh |
| 13:40.40 | florian_kc | I should go to get some breakfast, brb |
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| 14:30.37 | koen|work | florian_kc: the new gpe-conf is also in the feeds |
| 14:33.20 | koen|work | done |
| 14:35.19 | hrw|work | 0.1.29? |
| 14:35.51 | koen|work | yes |
| 14:37.39 | hrw|work | oz branding |
| 14:37.45 | koen|work | indeed |
| 14:37.58 | koen|work | now gpe-conf just needs an option to set terminal colours |
| 14:38.48 | hrw|work | I would also remove 'close' button from sysinfo |
| 14:38.58 | koen|work | heh |
| 14:39.02 | koen|work | and every other gpe app |
| 14:39.38 | hrw|work | no - gpe-conf/sysinfo has large 'close' on bottom |
| 14:39.44 | XorA | florian_kc: oh, I discovered last night, my Z does suffer the small font problem. Ive no idea why it wasnt, but when I rebooted it started |
| 14:48.47 | florian_kc | re |
| 14:48.53 | koen|work | florian_kc: wb |
| 14:49.25 | hrw|work | florian_kc: thx for oz branding patch |
| 14:49.40 | florian_kc | koen|work: okay, great! |
| 14:50.20 | florian_kc | hrw|work: does gpe-info show that version info now? |
| 14:50.33 | florian_kc | XorA: hrm... i see. |
| 14:51.09 | hrw|work | florian_kc: not checked yet |
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| 14:51.33 | florian_kc | koen|work: Do you have any clue why the matchbox-panel stuff xsettings support doesn't work? |
| 14:52.37 | koen|work | florian_kc: no idea |
| 14:53.08 | koen|work | Only mallum knows |
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| 14:53.55 | florian_kc | Someone should remind me to debug this... |
| 14:55.17 | hrw|work | florian_kc: it does. Distribution: OpenZaurus 3.5.4 |
| 14:55.20 | hrw|work | thx again |
| 14:57.03 | koen|work | hrw|work: gaim/x11 is also branded |
| 14:57.34 | florian_kc | very nice |
| 14:58.15 | hrw|work | koen|work: version contain distro? |
| 15:02.52 | XorA | florian_kc: interesting, fonts on window borders are acceptable in Industrial |
| 15:04.38 | florian_kc | XorA: hmm... thats interesting indeed. |
| 15:06.40 | XorA | florian_kc: cracked it <font id="titlefont" def="Sans bold 16px" /> just remove the 16px bit and fonts work |
| 15:06.58 | XorA | florian_kc: for Default and blondie anyway |
| 15:09.24 | XorA | florian_kc: no idea where the launcher applet gets its font from though |
| 15:09.30 | florian_kc | XorA: oh - please check if the font size changes if you chenge the application font. |
| 15:10.32 | XorA | florian_kc: no, it stays the same size |
| 15:12.54 | florian_kc | hrm |
| 15:13.08 | florian_kc | okay... then that needs debugging. |
| 15:13.40 | XorA | seems the menu and the topline of the Desktop use a different font from somewhere though |
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| 15:22.33 | XorA | florian_kc: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.16174.png |
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| 15:32.00 | florian_kc | XorA: :-/ iirc there is some extr file with definitions for additional apps. |
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| 15:50.47 | XorA | florian_kc: gpe-conf should write MATCHBOX/Desktop/TitleFont as well as MATCHBOX/Desktop/Font |
| 15:52.07 | florian_kc | XorA: ah - that would be easy |
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| 16:38.19 | hrw|work | someone can look at suspend-desktop patch? http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=497 |
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| 16:45.31 | florian_kc | Still no openembedded.org?! |
| 16:46.30 | hrw|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.30 | hrw|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.30 | hrw|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.32 | hrw|work | ops.. |
| 16:46.38 | hrw|work | bugs.openembedded.org has problems - put 192.216.230.225 into /etc/hosts |
| 16:47.00 | hrw|work | florian_kc: http://pastebin.com/522501 is the same patch |
| 16:47.15 | florian_kc | yeah... thats for more than a day now, i wonder why noone cares about that. |
| 16:48.42 | florian_kc | hrw|work: that looks good... but in fact it would be more useful to fix the installation of apm. |
| 16:49.17 | hrw|work | florian_kc: probably yes. sharp 2.4 kernels are mess when it comes to apm ;( |
| 16:50.27 | florian_kc | hrw|work: wouldn't it be sufficient to change the permissions of the interface or install apm suid root? |
| 16:54.43 | hrw|work | on sharp 2.4 machines we workaround a bit with apm.. /usr/bin/apm is move to /usr/bin/apm.orig and /usr/bin/apm is shell script which check 'does it is sharp?' and if is then it kill apmd and suspend |
| 16:57.14 | nxz | chmod u+s /usr/bin/apm.orig |
| 16:57.30 | hrw|work | nxz: its shellscript so it does not work |
| 16:57.44 | nxz | it's not |
| 16:57.49 | nxz | apm may be |
| 16:57.58 | nxz | apm.orig isn't |
| 16:58.10 | hrw|work | ops.. apm is shell, apm.orig is not. |
| 16:58.32 | hrw|work | nxz: apmd is working as root - apm script has to kill it |
| 16:59.26 | florian_kc | hrw|work: eh... a script? |
| 16:59.35 | hrw|work | florian_kc: yep ;( |
| 17:00.00 | hrw|work | florian_kc: http://pastebin.com/522536 |
| 17:02.17 | florian_kc | hrw|work: Oh dear - that looks even more like someone needs to fix this. |
| 17:03.45 | hrw|work | yep |
| 17:05.17 | nxz | hrw|work: rewrite the script in C |
| 17:06.23 | hrw|work | looks like have to do it |
| 17:06.34 | hrw|work | fscking sharp |
| 17:08.17 | florian_kc | hrw|work: I have no problem applying this patch, but thats no what i call useful for the users. |
| 17:09.00 | hrw|work | florian_kc: we will try to resolve it before release somehow |
| 17:09.29 | florian_kc | hrw|work: that would be really nice. |
| 17:09.50 | hrw|work | hopefully more and more zaurus machines moves to 2.6 |
| 17:09.53 | florian_kc | Who is the real one pb_ or pb__? |
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| 17:33.41 | pH5 | good evening |
| 17:34.29 | florian_kc | hi pH5 |
| 17:39.36 | pH5 | hi florian_kc |
| 17:44.12 | pH5 | florian_kc: something like this http://en.pastebin.ca/38543 is needed to initialize the hx4700's bluetooth chipset to 921600bps instead of just 115200 (together with a patched hciattach). Do you think I could add this to the .bb recipe in OE? |
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| 17:47.53 | pH5 | hi pb_ |
| 17:48.29 | pb_ | hi ph5 |
| 17:48.47 | CoreDump|afk | hi |
| 17:49.51 | moray | pb_: it's not working for you? |
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| 17:57.59 | reenoo | evening |
| 17:59.17 | pb_ | moray: actually, it seems to be working okay for me now. Apparently it wasn't working for my assistant earlier though. |
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| 18:22.03 | pb_ | phew |
| 18:25.59 | pb_ | now! |
| 18:27.56 | pH5 | pb_: great! |
| 18:31.53 | pb_ | doh, the link to bootldr-1.1.9.rom is outdated |
| 18:33.39 | pb_ | what's this homefs.jffs2 thing about? |
| 18:34.06 | pH5 | pb_: it's an empty jffs2 to flash to the home partition |
| 18:34.54 | pb_ | ah right |
| 18:34.59 | pb_ | does it not work to just flash_eraseall that partition? |
| 18:35.53 | pH5 | pb_: it's for those without a serial cable. with a correct entry in reflash.ctl you can select this from the bootloader's onscreen menu |
| 18:36.59 | mreimer | pb_: there's a 1.2.0 bootldr rom now |
| 18:37.05 | pH5 | at least that's what I think. I didn't use flash_eraseall |
| 18:37.06 | pb_ | mreimer: yeah, I figured |
| 18:37.39 | pb_ | pH5: I think it should be possible to detect that the home partition contains garbage during bootup, and erase it (maybe with a user prompt for confirmation) if so. no need to flash a special image. |
| 18:37.45 | pb_ | not that it really matters much though |
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| 18:39.59 | pH5 | pb_: that's a nice idea. also, in the end, providing a complete flash image to install via sd would be nice, too. |
| 18:40.42 | pH5 | the wiki's bootloader link is fixed now. |
| 18:40.43 | pb_ | fwiw, the only reason that familiar doesn't auto-erase /home on h3900 and h5500 is because the bootldr doesn't back that area up. |
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| 18:51.47 | pb_ | okay, bootloader installed! |
| 18:51.54 | pb_ | seems I have no cf card here, so I will have to install the rootfs at home |
| 18:52.52 | hrhr | hi all |
| 18:53.55 | pH5 | hi hrhr |
| 18:56.34 | florian_kc | reenoo|afk: |
| 18:56.36 | florian_kc | re |
| 18:56.39 | florian_kc | *grr* |
| 18:56.48 | pH5 | florian_kc: wb |
| 18:57.15 | florian_kc | pH5: hmm... i don't see any obvious reason why not. |
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| 19:01.10 | pH5 | florian_kc: great. it's just that this is needed for this one machine only, currently. |
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| 19:51.00 | oxylos | hello everybody, I installed GPE on my jornada 568, and the power button doesn't work... how can i suspend my jornada ? Thanks for help ! |
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| 19:51.43 | pb__ | does "apm -s" work? |
| 19:52.20 | oxylos | wait 30 secs i try ... |
| 19:52.24 | oxylos | on a term ? |
| 19:52.50 | pb__ | yes |
| 19:53.18 | oxylos | it's blocked |
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| 19:54.18 | oxylos | i can't do anything, and screen is still on |
| 19:54.25 | pb__ | sounds like your kernel is busted |
| 19:54.43 | oxylos | what does it mean ? (i'm french) |
| 19:55.24 | mreimer | casse |
| 19:55.24 | pb__ | broken |
| 19:55.33 | oxylos | oh ... |
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| 19:56.11 | oxylos | kernel is "broken" ? |
| 19:56.18 | pb__ | it seems, yeah |
| 19:56.57 | oxylos | i took the last version on jffs i found on handhelds, and I have just installed it ! |
| 19:57.11 | oxylos | (of jffs) |
| 19:58.11 | koen | I suspect the workaround in kdrive for the kernelbug isn't in the j568 images |
| 19:58.20 | koen | but that's just a guess |
| 19:58.32 | pb__ | what's "the kernelbug"? |
| 19:59.00 | koen | multiple apm clients accessing apm causing it not to suspend? |
| 19:59.05 | oxylos | is the power button expected to work correctly on jornada 560 ? |
| 19:59.23 | pb__ | does the jornada have that bug? I didn't think it did. |
| 19:59.57 | oxylos | i had the same problem with opie. |
| 20:01.13 | oxylos | But with Opie i had a shortcut "suspend" on main menu |
| 20:01.30 | oxylos | and it seemed to work |
| 20:01.37 | oxylos | more or less |
| 20:02.26 | oxylos | and now i reboot jornada and it's still blocked |
| 20:02.43 | oxylos | on login screen |
| 20:04.29 | *** join/#gpe pb__ (n=pb@cpc1-cmbg6-5-0-cust20.cmbg.cable.ntl.com) |
| 20:04.56 | pb__ | seems that my kernel is also en panne. |
| 20:08.14 | oxylos | so nobody has a jornada here ?? |
| 20:08.26 | pb__ | oxylos: try #handhelds.org |
| 20:08.36 | oxylos | ok thanks ! |
| 20:08.39 | pb__ | I think Chicken has a jornada. |
| 20:08.46 | oxylos | yeah |
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| 20:14.50 | koen | hey pH5 |
| 20:15.03 | pH5 | hey koen |
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| 20:17.08 | koen | bbl |
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| 21:14.19 | law_ | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.17426.png <-- build an basic network profile manager today |
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| 21:24.12 | fehler404 | good evening |
| 21:26.01 | fehler404 | good evening |
| 21:26.27 | *** part/#gpe law_ (n=_law_@213.173.86.202) |
| 21:28.42 | fehler404 | anybody here? |
| 21:28.42 | pb__ | hello |
| 21:28.43 | obergix[home] | fehler404: good morning indeed ;) |
| 21:28.43 | fehler404 | good morning? ;-) |
| 21:28.43 | fehler404 | a little bit early |
| 21:28.43 | obergix[home] | fehler404: don't worry ;) |
| 21:29.17 | fehler404 | you meant worry because of my nicname? |
| 21:30.06 | obergix[home] | fehler404: nope, my morning |
| 21:30.15 | obergix[home] | ain't afraid of no 404 |
| 21:30.50 | fehler404 | you are the first who got the idea of my nicname! congratulations :-)) |
| 21:32.11 | obergix[home] | fehler404: you've got to speak german somehow, I suppose ;) |
| 21:32.55 | ArjanS | hi guys |
| 21:33.24 | fehler404 | obergix : right you are |
| 21:33.42 | ArjanS | I'm working on gpe bluetooth support for the h1940 now, and almost done. but I need to know one thing: where do I put the code needed to turn the radio on? (echo 1 > /sys/somefile) |
| 21:33.57 | pb__ | ArjanS: in hciattach, I suppose |
| 21:34.46 | fehler404 | i'm looking for a place to ask kind of "newbie" questions. any suggestions? |
| 21:35.06 | obergix[home] | fehler404: here I suppose ? |
| 21:35.20 | obergix[home] | or the fora of handhelds.org ? |
| 21:35.27 | fehler404 | i thought this is for developers only |
| 21:35.52 | obergix[home] | fehler404: dunno |
| 21:36.22 | fehler404 | i'm trying to get the opensync-plugin for gpe to work |
| 21:36.26 | obergix[home] | fehler404: questions about what exactly : gpe ? |
| 21:36.38 | fehler404 | configure runs without errors |
| 21:36.46 | obergix[home] | fehler404: I suppose some ML at opensync would fit also ? |
| 21:37.04 | ArjanS | pb__: no... I think it must be somewhere in OE, but I can't find it |
| 21:37.22 | fehler404 | obergix : that's a good idea |
| 21:37.27 | pb__ | ArjanS: well, there is no such code at the moment. You'd need to add it. |
| 21:37.38 | obergix[home] | fehler404: #opensync ? |
| 21:37.52 | fehler404 | better |
| 21:37.56 | ArjanS | pb__: you mean no other ipaq needs to turn its radio on with a /sys entry? |
| 21:38.04 | fehler404 | i will give it a try |
| 21:38.11 | pb__ | ArjanS: that is indeed what I mean. |
| 21:39.26 | fehler404 | obergix : thanx for your support; i try #opensync .. |
| 21:39.40 | ArjanS | pb__: thanks |
| 21:39.48 | fehler404 | so i have to leave ... good night everybody |
| 21:39.54 | obergix[home] | fehler404: see you there ;) |
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| 21:46.29 | ArjanS | pb__: would you agree that gpe-bluetooth is probably the best place to do that? |
| 21:46.41 | ArjanS | (at least as long as there is no generic gpe device framework) |
| 21:46.50 | pb__ | no, I still think hciattach is the best place to do that |
| 21:47.21 | hrw | ArjanS: think about opie users, console users |
| 21:47.37 | pb__ | well, we laugh at opie users and console users, but even so. |
| 21:47.40 | ArjanS | I was thinking about that... but I thought hciattach would be too generic for that... the patch could never go upstream |
| 21:48.08 | pb__ | ArjanS: the best thing would be to patch the kernel to eliminate the need for this /sys thing. |
| 21:48.28 | pb__ | second best would be putting the code in hciattach, and third best would probably be gpe-bluetooth's hciattach wrapper script. |
| 21:51.12 | ArjanS | talking with the developer about the driver thing... but I guest it'll go into hciattach |
| 21:51.16 | ArjanS | thanks for the info |
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| 22:39.48 | ArjanS | pb__: added a simple patch for blueprobe to the bugzilla (not for the mentioned issue but generic support) |
| 22:40.06 | mreimer | ArjanS: to handhelds.org bugzilla, or OE? |
| 22:40.06 | ArjanS | hope you have some time to apply it |
| 22:40.11 | pb__ | ArjanS: okay, very good |
| 22:40.17 | ArjanS | hh.org bugzilla |
| 22:40.21 | ArjanS | http://handhelds.org/~bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1476 |
| 23:24.15 | Cwiiis | Philippe: about? |
