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| 08:40.22 | rob_w-cgi | morning all |
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| 09:06.17 | zecke | hey |
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| 09:45.54 | rob_w-cgi | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:46.38 | pb_ | there isn't any, but fltk should work as well as any other non-gtk toolkit |
| 09:46.54 | pb_ | if the Dillo folks ever finish their port to fltk, it'd be interesting to try that out. |
| 09:48.00 | hrw|work | 3A |
| 09:48.02 | hrw|work | morning |
| 09:49.02 | rob_w-cgi | i see |
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| 09:56.11 | florian_kc | good morning |
| 09:57.51 | hrw|work | hi florian_kc |
| 09:58.49 | pb_ | florian_kc: good morning! |
| 09:59.57 | florian_kc | pb_: hi! good work with libgtkinput! |
| 10:00.14 | pb_ | florian_kc: heh, thanks |
| 10:00.28 | florian_kc | pb_: Latest version works pretty good for me... |
| 10:01.11 | florian_kc | Two problems i found: Manual control of the input method and opening/closing windows. |
| 10:09.20 | florian_kc | Hrm... we neeed to update our mailserver, a 233MHz Pentium is too slow... |
| 10:29.01 | pb_ | florian_kc: yeah. the thing with closing windows used to work, but it seems I broke it in the latest libgtkinput. |
| 10:46.16 | florian_kc | pb_: Ah good, then it might be easy to fix :-) |
| 10:47.42 | pb_ | yeah, I hope so |
| 10:47.58 | pb_ | probably need to instrument mbinputmgr a bit to find out what exactly is going on there. |
| 10:48.19 | pb_ | the theory is that it selects for Unmap events on any window where there is an active input request, and cancels the request automatically if the window goes away. |
| 10:48.45 | pb_ | most likely, the problem is that libgtkinput is quoting a bogus window handle and so the event never arrives. |
| 10:49.57 | pb_ | florian_kc: what was the problem with manual control? |
| 10:50.28 | pb_ | I'm guessing you want to be able to close the input method by hand and have it stay closed, or something like that. |
| 10:51.18 | florian_kc | pb_: yes exactly... e.g. if you want to read text presented in a GtkTextView. |
| 10:51.45 | pb_ | right |
| 10:52.04 | pb_ | I'm sure we can work something out for that. |
| 10:52.21 | pb_ | making it close would be easy enough; the question is when it should go back to "automatic" operation. |
| 10:52.34 | pb_ | probably when a request arrives from a new top-level window or something |
| 10:53.22 | florian_kc | pb_: Or more advanced - if you connect a real keyboard, but thats really an advanced topic. That would involve a mechanism to influence the mbintputmgr and some instance dealing with the keyboard connectivity. |
| 10:53.44 | florian_kc | pb_: that would be an idea... |
| 10:53.47 | pb_ | yeah |
| 10:53.59 | pb_ | if you connect a real keyboard, you probably want mbinputmgr to just sit quietly and not do anything |
| 10:54.20 | pb_ | one interesting case of that is the zaurus, where there is a keyboard "connected" in landscape mode but not in portrait mode |
| 10:54.30 | florian_kc | oh indeed... |
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| 11:31.47 | katossi_uni | why do I have to execute "ipup wlan0" on my wlan device to make it work |
| 11:32.05 | hrw|work | katossi_uni: zaurus with 2.6 kernel? |
| 11:32.09 | katossi_uni | yes |
| 11:32.19 | katossi_uni | cf wifi card in akita |
| 11:32.41 | hrw|work | katossi_uni: because we didnt yet add udev rules for it |
| 11:32.54 | katossi_uni | hrw|work: aps opk, sorry |
| 11:32.57 | hrw|work | katossi_uni: atleast that problem is with pcmciautils |
| 11:34.02 | katossi_uni | no problem, by the way, hrw, are testers for akita still needed? |
| 11:35.24 | hrw|work | testers are always welcome - keep in mind that it will be 2.4.20 not 2.6 |
| 11:48.20 | katossi_uni | hrw|work: I know, but Im very interested in 2.6, I think the work done already is outstanding |
| 11:51.44 | hrw|work | florian_kc: pcmcia/cf settings are your part too? |
| 11:51.59 | hrw|work | I have one 'bug' to share - got it from user |
| 11:52.20 | hrw|work | The CF/PCMCIA applet shows everytime with something like : "PCMCIA start failed - cannot check CS info" but then you can access the menu and |
| 11:52.23 | hrw|work | eject/start/stop/resume. |
| 11:55.10 | florian_kc | hrw|work: hmm right, thats on a zaurus, right? |
| 11:57.25 | hrw|work | florian_kc: yes |
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| 11:57.32 | hrw|work | iirc c7x0 with 2.6.14-rc1 |
| 11:57.39 | florian_kc | hey mallum |
| 11:58.10 | mallum | hey florian_kc |
| 11:58.12 | mallum | pb_: heya, what is broken in libmb get_xevent_timed () ? |
| 11:58.27 | hrw|work | florian_kc: I also have it on my c760 (2.6.14-rc1) |
| 11:58.43 | florian_kc | hrw|work: I think thats caused by a missing ioctl() in the pcmcia driver... |
| 11:58.57 | pb_ | hi mallum |
| 11:59.06 | hrw|work | florian_kc: pcmcia ioctls are going to be removed from 2.6 |
| 11:59.13 | pb_ | I think the problem was that once you set a timeout, there's no way to turn it off again |
| 11:59.31 | pb_ | might be that I just misunderstood the API, though |
| 12:00.50 | pb_ | (i.e. there's no way to clear mb->poll_timeout once it's been set) |
| 12:02.36 | florian_kc | hrw|work: hrm... any idea how to get that service version info in this case? |
| 12:02.39 | mallum | I could make mb_tray_app_set_poll_timeout () take a NULL to clear it |
| 12:02.51 | pb_ | yup, that'd probably do the trick |
| 12:05.23 | mallum | okey added |
| 12:05.51 | mallum | the inputmgr stuff + gtk plugin is very cool btw. what I intended inputmgr to do to begin with |
| 12:05.54 | florian_kc | hrw|work: okay... looks like its not necessary anymore. i'll just remove this. |
| 12:06.05 | hrw|work | florian_kc: thx |
| 12:06.38 | mallum | pb_: I just need to figure out exactly what you've changed, - the manager selection for example ? |
| 12:07.58 | pb_ | mallum: yeah, I added that selection thing so that the clients can find mbinputmgr's input handle. It seemed a bit inefficient to have clients firing off clientmessages to the root window all the time. |
| 12:08.06 | pb_ | er, s/input handle/window handle/ |
| 12:08.21 | hrw|work | florian_kc: so gpe-conf 0.1.29 will be? |
| 12:09.19 | hrw|work | florian_kc: could you parse /etc/issue to get distribution info in sysinfo part? |
| 12:09.46 | mallum | pb_: okey so you are just messaging inputmgr direct to its win id ? |
| 12:10.38 | pb_ | right |
| 12:11.18 | florian_kc | hrw|work: yes... i saw the code... need to take a look. i can do this but i must say that parsing /etc/issue is not that great imho. |
| 12:11.56 | pb_ | yeah, /etc/issue isn't intended to be a machine readable file |
| 12:12.18 | pb_ | users might legitimately expect to be able to customize that without screwing up gpe-conf. |
| 12:12.46 | hrw|work | florian_kc: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/openzaurus.patch will be ok? |
| 12:14.54 | florian_kc | hrw|work: that looks better - so there is a version info file now?! |
| 12:15.46 | hrw|work | florian_kc: not yet - I will add it |
| 12:16.22 | florian_kc | hrw|work: that would rock, then i'll take a close look and apply your patch. |
| 12:16.39 | hrw|work | ok |
| 12:17.24 | hrw|work | first have to finish my 327rev pull |
| 12:18.55 | florian_kc | hrw|work: okay... this may take a while :-) |
| 12:19.39 | hrw|work | 90revs left |
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| 12:34.34 | flo_770 | It looks better and better here... but making it *feel* better would be necessary. |
| 12:49.43 | pb_ | flo_770: very good |
| 12:51.19 | florian_kc | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.25966.png |
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| 12:57.10 | mallum | pb_: I have committed a fix for timeouts. Could I persuade you to put the inputmgr patch on http://bugzilla.o-hand.com so it will get integrated without me forgetting about it ? |
| 13:05.10 | pb_ | mallum: thanks. yup, sure. |
| 13:06.16 | pb_ | I had a couple of matchbox-panel patches as well that you might or might not be interested in. let me know if you want me to put those in bugzilla as well. |
| 13:06.25 | pb_ | http://handhelds.org/~pb/mb-panel-0.9.2-msgcancel.patch and http://handhelds.org/~pb/mb-panel-0.9.2-polling.patch |
| 13:13.03 | mallum | pb_: please do. I have seen them patches but Im not sure what there for |
| 13:14.07 | rob_w-cgi | eh mallum ,, is there a way to make matchbox look good in 8bit colours ? |
| 13:14.25 | rob_w-cgi | to me it looks "like on a trip ;- ) " |
| 13:14.56 | mallum | rob_w-cgi: m-w-m or desktop and panel etc ? |
| 13:15.42 | rob_w-cgi | yep all of that .. some apps have ok icons .. insode the apps |
| 13:16.02 | rob_w-cgi | but on desktop the folder icons fe have crazy colours |
| 13:18.27 | pb_ | okay, will do |
| 13:18.57 | mallum | rob_w-cgi: libmbpixbuf needs fixing for 8bpp then :( I've actually never tested it on 8bpp so not suprised it dont work right |
| 13:19.01 | pb_ | one of them is to implement the protocol for cancelling dock message popups, and the other one is to stop the panel polling for input every 500 microseconds. |
| 13:20.35 | florian_kc | mallum: oh right, same problem with 15bit :-) |
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| 13:25.07 | rob_w-cgi | ok .. i will keep that in mind when i will really need that support .. until now i work on demo units which have 8 bit but the target unit will have 16 .. thanks mallum |
| 13:25.53 | rob_w-cgi | mallum btw i really like matchbox-keyboard |
| 13:48.19 | hrw|work | florian_kc: OZ 3.5.4 is now ready for gpe-conf with openzaurus.patch |
| 14:15.21 | mallum | florian_kc: 15bit shouldn't be too hard to fix |
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| 14:37.23 | florian_kc | hrw|work: okay cool |
| 14:37.58 | florian_kc | mallum: i guess so... but i didn't manage to take a look at the source so far. |
| 14:45.57 | hrw|work | florian_kc: great - so I have to wait for 0.1.29 gpe-conf |
| 14:47.05 | florian_kc | hrw|work: heh... as soon as i have some free minutes. |
| 14:48.14 | hrw|work | florian_kc: ofcourse |
| 14:50.32 | XorA | hrw|work: have you tested gpe-conf usb? |
| 14:51.49 | hrw|work | XorA: not yet |
| 14:53.11 | XorA | hrw|work: my machine seems to go to g-usb0-storage, but wont go to g-ether, but my install is so wierd these days I couldnt guarantee it wasnt a problem just on my machine |
| 14:54.37 | hrw|work | ok |
| 15:00.57 | hrw|work | XorA: when 'gpe-conf usb' was started by root then it works. not from normal user |
| 15:01.15 | hrw|work | XorA: and in 'user access' I enabled 'let user be able to configure everything' |
| 15:01.39 | hrw|work | btw - someone already reported to me that this 'user access' does not work |
| 15:02.05 | XorA | hrw|work: to go to g-usb-storage it asks for root password for me |
| 15:02.49 | hrw|work | XorA: here it does not ask |
| 15:03.34 | hrw|work | XorA: when 'user access' is disabled then it ask |
| 15:06.40 | florian_kc | hrw|work:, XorA: Is gpe-conf setuid? |
| 15:08.04 | hrw|work | yes |
| 15:08.19 | hrw|work | -rwsr-xr-x root:root |
| 15:10.10 | florian_kc | I guess i found the problem - modprobe cals insmod which fails if you run /sbin/modprobe without /sbin in PATH. |
| 15:10.23 | florian_kc | s/cals/calls |
| 15:11.41 | XorA | florian_kc: yes |
| 15:26.13 | florian_kc | I guess the next evening... eh night will be full of releases. |
| 15:34.21 | pb_ | florian_kc: ah yeah, there's already a bug open for gpe-shield on that same issue |
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| 15:35.16 | florian_kc | pb_: yep... i fixed this in prismstumbler already, gpe-shield has a little bit lower priority at the moment. |
| 15:35.40 | pb_ | okay, cool |
| 15:35.47 | pb_ | I kind of feel that the actual bug is in busybox, but still. |
| 15:35.59 | florian_kc | I want to release a new prismstumbler and as a result a better working gpe-aerial first. |
| 15:36.54 | pb_ | excellent |
| 15:37.35 | florian_kc | But before this i need to make customers happy... |
| 15:43.15 | pb_ | ah, that old problem |
| 15:43.23 | pb_ | I've been having that trouble today as well |
| 15:44.15 | pb_ | I'm also still having a bit of trouble making our phones work right, which doesn't help. |
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| 15:47.30 | kv_ | is it possible to "debootstraping" debian on iPAQ hx4700 from familiar? |
| 15:55.15 | florian_kc | but i suppose debian is a little bit big for an ipaq |
| 15:57.15 | kv_ | :-( but too little packages suitable for familiar 0.8.3 |
| 15:58.30 | florian_kc | I don't think the feeds contain everything... apart from this ipkg should be able to install additional debian packages. |
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| 16:07.36 | kv_ | i think familiar should be used mainly for making ability to install debs from official debian tree on hh |
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| 16:08.52 | mimecar | evening |
| 16:09.40 | kv_ | XorA, how many disk space debian takes on Zaurus? |
| 16:12.05 | florian_kc | hi mimecar |
| 16:12.55 | hrw|work | kv_: debian packages take more place - docs, locale are in same pacakge as binary. |
| 16:13.21 | hrw|work | kv_: familiar (and other OE derived distros) split it to separate |
| 16:19.43 | kv_ | hrw|work: I know this, possibly debian developers should act same manner? |
| 16:24.55 | hrw|work | so we would get not ~28000 packages to choose but ~100000 or even more? |
| 16:25.29 | hrw|work | 17:26 hrw@work:hrw$ grep ^Package /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.pl.debian.org_debian_*|wc 27929 55858 2785766 |
| 16:30.35 | kv_ | yes, this is a problem, but may be automatize process of making packages from deb-sources? |
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| 16:38.47 | CoreDump|home | ~lart users |
| 16:39.04 | CoreDump|home | why is it so fucking hard to read the documentation |
| 16:39.21 | florian_kc | hi CoreDump|home |
| 16:39.30 | CoreDump|home | hello florian_kc |
| 16:39.43 | CoreDump|home | ty for applying the patch. |
| 16:39.55 | florian_kc | CoreDump|home: yw :-) |
| 16:40.10 | florian_kc | I guess i should trigger a new release this night |
| 16:41.09 | hrw|work | Starting sleep daemon: ipaq-sleepmkdir: Cannot create directory `/var/run/no-sleep': Permission denied |
| 16:41.11 | CoreDump|home | no hurry, a very annoying bug with keylaunch needs to be sorted out first or installing the new xmodmap will crash gpe-login. |
| 16:41.12 | hrw|work | hmm... |
| 16:41.35 | hrw|work | thats from normal user .xsession-errors |
| 16:43.05 | hrw|work | rebooting Z.. maybe it will help after some gpe upgrades |
| 16:46.27 | hrw|work | hmm. fails |
| 16:49.15 | florian_kc | hrw|work: iirc this message is harmless |
| 16:49.55 | hrw|work | florian_kc: anyway I cannot login into X |
| 16:50.57 | florian_kc | hrw|work: try to move the matchbox keyboard config away |
| 16:51.04 | florian_kc | brb, meeting |
| 16:52.50 | hrw|work | I'll try with new user |
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| 16:54.11 | hrw|work | argh.. moved /etc/matchbox/kbdconfig to /etc/matchbox/kbdconfig- tried new user.. |
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| 17:13.14 | kv_ | in current feed http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.3/x11 gpe-calendar still compilled over libmimedir-0.2 |
| 17:13.56 | kv_ | but in release libmimedir-0.3 already |
| 17:18.45 | pb_ | does it matter what version gpe-calendar was compiled against? |
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| 17:20.50 | kv_ | pb_: may be. I make simlink libmimedir-0.2.so.0 -> libmimedir-0.3.so.0.0.0 and gpe-calendar now works. |
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| 18:42.29 | florian | re |
| 18:43.27 | krokas | hi florian |
| 18:43.58 | florian | hi krokas |
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| 19:47.45 | mallum | pb_: please dont forget to add them patches to bugzilla when you get a 'mo |
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| 19:48.20 | reenoo | evening |
| 19:52.39 | florian | hi reenoo |
| 19:52.51 | reenoo | hey florian |
| 19:53.00 | pb__ | hi reenoo |
| 19:53.14 | pb__ | mallum: yah, I'll do it very shortly |
| 19:53.39 | reenoo | hey pb__ |
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| 20:17.22 | law_ | evince 0.5.0 is out |
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| 20:30.35 | florian | hi law_ |
| 20:30.42 | law_ | hi florian_kc |
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| 20:53.16 | Bilbolodz | Hi all, |
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| 20:59.11 | mallum | pb_: thanks !! |
| 21:05.26 | mallum | pb_: could you add the mbinputmgr one also and I'll sort em all out tommorow ? |
| 21:11.00 | pb__ | yup, will do |
| 21:11.10 | pb__ | just about to eat dinner now, but I'll add that patch afterwards |
| 21:19.38 | law_ | night all |
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| 21:38.55 | florian | hi dc__ |
| 21:39.26 | dc__ | yo |
| 21:39.27 | dc__ | man |
| 21:39.34 | dc__ | I tried to order some beer |
| 21:39.42 | dc__ | from a company in new yor |
| 21:39.43 | dc__ | k |
| 21:39.44 | pb__ | yo dc__ |
| 21:39.47 | dc__ | to get sent to seattle |
| 21:39.47 | Bilbolodz | Hi florian, |
| 21:40.00 | dc__ | and they can't bloody send beer outside of new york |
| 21:40.03 | dc__ | madness! |
| 21:40.08 | pb__ | dc__: crumbs, that's a long way to send your beer |
| 21:40.16 | pb__ | isn't there anywhere closer to seattle that you can buy it? |
| 21:40.53 | florian | hi Bilbolodz |
| 21:41.33 | Bilbolodz | florian: Have you got fresh (GPE 2.7) simpad image? |
| 21:41.49 | florian | dc__: sounds like intersting stuff ;-) |
| 21:42.18 | dc__ | it'd crazy |
| 21:42.19 | florian | Bilbolodz: No, but you can install a familiar RC image and update this. |
| 21:42.23 | dc__ | us laws are whaked |
| 21:42.27 | dc__ | http://www.legalaffairs.org/issues/March-April-2003/story_marapr03_garrone.msp |
| 21:42.45 | Bilbolodz | ok |
| 21:43.11 | pb__ | dc__: funky |
| 21:44.29 | pb__ | mallum: there it is |
| 21:48.30 | pb__ | florian: load average: 30.47, 32.72, 33.59 |
| 21:48.33 | pb__ | :-} |
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| 22:11.31 | florian | pb__: eeks |
| 22:13.47 | mallum | pb_: thanks again :) |
| 22:13.52 | mallum | and good night all |
| 22:15.13 | florian | hrm... building prismstumbler in oe fails |
| 22:21.00 | france | florian: moving anoncvs.handhelds.org as I type this |
| 22:21.06 | france | florian: to a new server |
| 22:23.25 | florian | france: oh cool |
| 22:24.10 | france | florian: we should probably make a note on the front page for folks to start using anoncvs.handhelds.org instead of cvs.handhelds.org |
| 22:24.22 | france | florian: and change the 'sources' page.... |
| 22:25.21 | florian | france: i think i can change the default definition of hh.org cvs in oe - that should help a lot. |
| 22:26.05 | france | florian: anoncvs.handhelds.org is setup as two servers with round robin dns entries. one server at osu the other at mit. |
| 22:26.23 | france | florian: cvs.handhelds.org should be for developers |
| 22:26.44 | florian | france: even better - oe already has anoncvs in tis default config |
| 22:26.56 | france | florian: :-D very nice |
| 22:27.15 | reenoo | france: can't you just block access to cvs.hh.org for non-devs like savannah did? |
| 22:27.28 | france | florian: I should be ready to make the dns changes to the new servers in about an hour. |
| 22:27.48 | france | reenoo: yes, as anoncvs is pserver and cvs.hh.org is ssh.... |
| 22:27.58 | france | florian: setting up cvsup servers and testing a few things... |
| 22:28.20 | florian | france: cool |
| 22:28.44 | france | reenoo: but it is more complex than that...as we want things to automagicly fail over, should either site go down |
| 22:29.48 | france | reenoo: eventually the main cvs repository will be moved to one of the anoncvs servers as they have 15K HDs |
| 22:30.01 | france | reenoo: disk i/o is the bottle neck. |
| 22:30.58 | reenoo | france: hmm. I see. I just thought it'd be very unlikely for people to notice the changes unless you force them to notice ;) |
| 22:31.35 | france | reenoo: if I move cvs.hh.org and anoncvs.hh.org at the same time most folks would not notice, but that takes more time.... |
| 22:31.43 | france | reenoo: then nobody would notice... |
| 22:32.20 | france | reenoo: the folks that used cvs instead of anoncvs would just not get the round robin benifits |
| 22:32.43 | florian | Hrm.. does anyone have an idea why i can get redefinition warnings/conflicts between net/if.h and linux/wireless.h? |
| 22:35.28 | florian | heh |
| 22:37.10 | reenoo | someone should teach this piece of crap lazy evaluation functionality |
| 22:39.56 | reenoo | hmm. actually... maybe I can emulate that |
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| 23:39.54 | florian | pb__: Do you have any idea what could cause a parse errir in net/if.h? |
| 23:40.01 | florian | s/errir/error |
| 23:40.47 | pb__ | florian: generally a conflict with <linux/if.h> or some other kernel header |
| 23:41.54 | florian | pb__: uh... that sounds like i did something evil in prismstumbler. i wonder why this doesn't hit my on my pc |
| 23:42.31 | pb__ | different version of either libc or the kernel headers, I guess |
| 23:42.56 | pb__ | or, conceivably, it might be some completely different problem and not a kernel header thing at all. But I can't think of any other likely explanation. |
| 23:45.44 | florian | pb__: You are my hero... |
| 23:46.15 | florian | I think i should buy a nice coffee machine for home use ;-) |
| 23:46.22 | pb__ | hehe |
| 23:48.50 | florian | I could have guessed that... maybe i should read books about children instead of coding :-/ |
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| 23:49.51 | pb__ | florian: ah, I would leave those books for your wife |
| 23:50.12 | reenoo | heh |
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| 23:51.41 | florian | pb__: heh... well, a good friend gavme a special one for men :-) |
| 23:52.04 | pb__ | florian: aha :-) |
| 23:55.37 | florian | If i manage to test prismstumbler (assuming it works) i could release it... then if this is finished i could release gpe-aerial. After finishing this i could release... |
| 23:57.15 | pb__ | :-} |
| 23:57.31 | pb__ | good night |
| 23:57.38 | reenoo | 'night pb__ |
| 23:57.38 | mreimer | night pb__ |
| 23:57.47 | france | pb__: nite |
| 23:58.09 | florian | pb__: good night |
