| 00:01.14 | Philippe | night all |
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| 00:50.20 | DataBeaver | Hm, I have random parts of the panel disappearing at times... |
| 00:50.56 | DataBeaver | The launcher button has went away a couple of times. |
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| 02:07.54 | andrewy | what does the CF card show up as in gpe/oz? I have a zImage and initrd on it, but I dont see them in /mnt/cf or anywhere else in /mnt for that matter |
| 02:20.56 | andrewy | strange, wasnt automounting for a reason, works now |
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| 08:47.51 | XorA | morning |
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| 08:55.02 | DataBeaver | How about modifying the calendar so that the weekly view displays days as columns and hours as rows? |
| 08:56.23 | DataBeaver | Also, in portrait mode, the month display could be moved to the bottom |
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| 10:04.33 | pb_ | zecke_: good morning |
| 10:04.44 | pb_ | bedboi: good morning |
| 10:08.11 | zecke_ | hey |
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| 10:20.57 | bedboi | hi there pb_ |
| 10:25.37 | pb_ | bedboi: did you have a chance to look at this gpe-calendar crash that DataBeaver (?) reported yesterday? |
| 10:29.28 | bedboi | pb_: not at the moment. I'm still migrating to new laptop and been busy with classes i'm taking :( |
| 10:30.33 | pb_ | righto, no problem |
| 10:30.58 | pb_ | if you could investigate it within the next few days, that'd be great. it sounds like a bad bug, and it would be good to get this fixed prior to familiar 0.8.3. |
| 10:31.27 | pb_ | I glanced at the code, and it looks like the problem might be related to some extraneous g_locale_to_utf8() calls. All the information in the database is already in utf8, so you probably oughtn't be trying to do any conversion on it. |
| 10:33.00 | bedboi | pb_: ok |
| 10:33.06 | bedboi | thanks for the hint |
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| 10:46.36 | florian_kc | good morning |
| 10:48.58 | XorA | florian_kc: gconf-dbus_svn.bb seems to be corrupt in OE, its basically repeated twice in the .bb file |
| 10:51.29 | XorA | pb_: I have to add --includedir=${STAGING_INCDIR} to sylpheed_1.9.12.bb EXTRA_OECONF to make it conpile, as otherwise it tries to pull socket stuff from /usr/include, as listed maintainer I thought I better run this change past you |
| 10:52.18 | florian_kc | XorA: oh... that sounds bad |
| 10:56.44 | pb_ | XorA: that sounds a bit weird. but, if that change fixes it, I guess you might as well go ahead and put it in. |
| 10:56.51 | pb_ | florian_kc: good morning! |
| 10:58.58 | florian_kc | XorA: I can't fix it... ewi is down and vanille.de doesn't allow me to push. |
| 10:59.23 | florian_kc | pb_: good morning... so we have packages but nothing in oe. |
| 11:00.18 | XorA | pb_: I dont understand autoconf very well, but configure script ends up with a hard wired includedir=/usr/include |
| 11:00.33 | XorA | pb_: But I dont know enough to follow that back through the macros |
| 11:02.26 | XorA | florian_kc: I can push fix when my build finishes if you OK it |
| 11:02.49 | florian_kc | XorA: yes please! |
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| 11:19.51 | pb_ | florian_kc: rock |
| 11:20.06 | pb_ | well, kind of rock. obviously having the stuff in oe would be even better, but packages are definitely good. |
| 11:20.08 | dc__ | morning |
| 11:20.12 | pb_ | dc__: morning |
| 11:20.21 | XorA | florian_kc: that fix should be in |
| 11:33.35 | florian_kc | hey dc__ |
| 11:36.19 | florian_kc | pb_: ipkg update && ipkg upgrade :-) |
| 11:39.55 | _law_ | ot: how can i remove . and .. from an readdir function in c? |
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| 11:41.15 | pb_ | florian_kc: :-) |
| 11:41.27 | pb_ | I left my ipaq at home this morning, but I'll try this as soon as possible. |
| 11:41.31 | _law_ | or is there anonther better function then readdir? |
| 11:41.43 | pb_ | if I can find the right bits, I might try installing on the hx4700 (which I do have here) and see how I get on with that. |
| 11:42.23 | florian_kc | pb_: thats a good idea - tell me if gpe-mininet shows nice icons on that big screen. |
| 11:42.46 | pb_ | XorA: "includedir=/usr/include" is probably the right thing for configure to be outputting. But it shouldn't be getting into CFLAGS. |
| 11:43.05 | florian_kc | fom rome reason gpe-bluetooth works on that h5550 here... |
| 11:43.14 | pb_ | xora: If it does anything like "-I${includedir}", that would be a bug. |
| 11:43.22 | pb_ | florian_kc: heh |
| 11:43.28 | XorA | pb_: ok, cheers, I now have something to search |
| 11:47.15 | XorA | pb_: bingo, src/Makefile.am and .in -I$(includedir) I should patch whichever of those files comes first? |
| 11:49.53 | florian_kc | ..oh... now it failed :-/ |
| 11:51.57 | florian_kc | pb_: gpe-taskmanager seems to be fine: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.24225.png |
| 11:56.42 | florian_kc | gpe-what looks good as well: http://handhelds.org/scap/land.24941.png |
| 12:06.46 | pb_ | XorA: right. the .am is the source file. |
| 12:07.12 | pb_ | florian_kc: excellent |
| 12:07.46 | pb_ | florian_kc: I see that gpe-clock is working for you as well, though it still isn't too easy to read the clock on these screens. |
| 12:08.07 | pb_ | I guess we should try to make the hands a little bit bigger, maybe by reducing the thickness of the outer "dial". |
| 12:08.19 | florian_kc | pb_: That's true, but it looks cool. |
| 12:09.19 | florian_kc | pb_: That would be a good idea... if we manage to switch to a GTK based panel some time the clock will look even better. |
| 12:10.03 | florian_kc | I just uploaded a new xserver-common package btw. |
| 12:10.15 | pb_ | excellent |
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| 12:16.39 | florian_kc | Apart from fact that the matchbox-panel icons are too big the updated familiar image feels pretty good on that h5550. |
| 12:17.07 | pb_ | great |
| 12:17.21 | DataBeaver | gpe-minibrowser doesn't support ssl? |
| 12:17.27 | pb_ | I added a few more bugs to #1334 last night. I don't think any of them are terribly major though. |
| 12:17.55 | pb_ | oh, by the way, can you build startup-monitor? It seems to be missing entirely from the images, which is a bit sad. |
| 12:18.59 | florian_kc | DataBeaver: not yet :-( |
| 12:19.01 | pb_ | it'd also be nice to try an updated keylaunch package (from the keylaunch-lgl-branch) to see if the single-instance stuff works properly. |
| 12:19.21 | florian_kc | pb_: okay... |
| 12:19.35 | florian_kc | hrm... i should care about some customers... |
| 12:19.40 | DataBeaver | Is there any other lightweight browser with ssl support? |
| 12:19.43 | florian_kc | but that not that nice :-) |
| 12:20.07 | pb_ | florian_kc: pesky customers |
| 12:21.06 | florian_kc | pb_: heh yeah... |
| 12:22.01 | XorA | DataBeaver: links |
| 12:22.10 | DataBeaver | k |
| 12:22.17 | XorA | DataBeaver: though I think that pulls in openssl which isnt small |
| 12:23.39 | DataBeaver | Doesn't openssh use that too? |
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| 12:28.01 | florian_kc | pb_: i'll bash startup-monitor a little bit to become buildable in oe. |
| 12:28.50 | XorA | I assume the cvs libcontactsdb in OE should be DEFAULT_PREFERENCE=-1? |
| 12:30.39 | florian_kc | yes indeed.... any _cvs package should contain this imho. |
| 12:31.21 | ade|desk | hmm *cough quilt *cough |
| 12:35.33 | pb_ | florian_kc: thanks |
| 12:41.43 | florian_kc | pb_: startup-monitor uploaded... |
| 12:43.49 | florian_kc | hmm... i wonder what migth be the best way to handle keylaunch-lgl |
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| 13:05.02 | pb_ | florian_kc: thanks |
| 13:05.14 | pb_ | yeah, might be worth checking with moray what he wants to do |
| 13:05.32 | pb_ | if he's happy with those changes, we can just put them in the HEAD and release a new version of keylaunch |
| 13:05.49 | florian_kc | okay |
| 13:05.58 | florian_kc | moray: ping |
| 13:07.10 | pb_ | found my hx4700, now I just need a big SD card and a longer USB cable |
| 13:07.11 | XorA | just built an image using openzaurus modded to use gpe-preferred-versions-2.8 |
| 13:09.13 | florian_kc | Ah right, we should fix the 2.7 versions and announce that... |
| 13:10.25 | XorA | florian_kc: xserver-kdrive needs a fix brought back from the stable branch, and libcontactsdb_cvs needs that DEFAULT_PREFERENCE set, otherwise looks good to go |
| 13:11.08 | florian_kc | XorA: sounds good... |
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| 13:30.02 | DataBeaver | How can I copypaste in rxvt with Zaurus? |
| 13:30.48 | XorA | DataBeaver: use xmonobut to change the mouse button a click is |
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| 13:35.27 | DataBeaver | k |
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| 14:23.28 | Cwiiis | moray: Ross added all the products to OH bugzilla - he also said hi :) |
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| 14:45.27 | florian_kc | re |
| 14:48.10 | XorA | florian_kc: any ideas about this error in orbit2-native configure.in:124: error: possibly undefined macro: PKG_CONFIG_MIN_VERSION |
| 14:51.30 | florian_kc | XorA: A rough guess: Our pkgconfig in OE is maybe too old. |
| 14:52.09 | florian_kc | XorA: Latest libgpewidget suffers from a similar error message and this is caused by the old pkgconfig in oe. |
| 14:52.25 | XorA | florian_kc: I didnt think the versions of orbit2 and pkgconfig we are using had changed recently |
| 14:54.47 | florian_kc | XorA: Then this might be one of the packages which fail to build with the new one. Thats why koen|away reverted the update in OE. If thats the case building latest pkgconfig-native should do the trick. |
| 15:12.08 | _law_ | florian_kc, quilt source location fix? |
| 15:12.41 | florian_kc | _law_: quilt releases are pulled from cvs... |
| 15:13.20 | _law_ | florian_kc, you have got an fix? i cant pull from nognu.org cvs |
| 15:13.57 | florian_kc | _law_: yes... wait |
| 15:14.27 | _law_ | florian_kc, http://pastebin.com/508200 |
| 15:15.56 | florian_kc | _law_: try the 0.42 bbs from http://www.kernelconcepts.de/~fuchs/oe/ |
| 15:18.50 | _law_ | florian_kc, NOTE: package quilt-native-0.42: completed thanks |
| 15:18.56 | florian_kc | _law_: yw |
| 15:23.37 | _law_ | florian_kc, same problem with gnu-config :-( is the cvs down? |
| 15:26.00 | XorA | florian_kc: ahah, for some reason OE has a pkg.m4 which overwrites the one in pkgconfig which loses some macros :-( |
| 15:27.15 | florian_kc | XorA: yes... it updates that file, but some packages don't seem to like this. |
| 15:31.25 | XorA | florian_kc: because it misses some macros in this case |
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| 15:56.17 | florian_kc | XorA: yes... we need to find a way to deal with this... we will run into this again updating pkg-config |
| 15:56.47 | XorA | florian_kc: m4 files make my brain hurt :-) |
| 15:57.11 | florian_kc | XorA: heh... very true |
| 16:02.27 | wibbit | XorA, try doing it all without them :) |
| 16:03.49 | XorA | one day we shall invent a programming language where the applications and the meta data can all be the same language |
| 16:05.29 | wibbit | If by meta-data you mean configuration files, then I think I'd rather not have to learn a high level or low level programming language just to change a config setting |
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| 16:16.28 | DataBeaver | Is there some program for gpe that would autodetect the insertion of a wlan card, ask which network I want to connect to, and then set up the wireless parameters (esssid and key mainly) accordingly? |
| 16:16.53 | bedboi | DataBeaver: you should use network configuration |
| 16:17.10 | bedboi | there's no automatic stuff |
| 16:18.04 | florian_kc | Hmm... some connection management would rock... |
| 16:18.36 | DataBeaver | Well, I have three different networks with different keys. and I use most of them each day and certainly every week. It's a PITA to change the settings manually every time. |
| 16:18.58 | DataBeaver | Especially considering that the keys are in hex format and one of them is 26 characters long. |
| 16:19.26 | DataBeaver | On my laptop I have a python script which automaticaly decides the network based on what access points are in range. |
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| 16:20.25 | hrhr | hi all |
| 16:20.30 | DataBeaver | I'd need to install python to use that though... |
| 16:21.51 | hrhr | anybody can say me what new in gpe update?.... |
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| 16:22.07 | hrhr | from familiar feeds |
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| 16:59.40 | florian_kc | pb_: ewi is back again, pushing some gpe updates... |
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| 17:15.44 | koen | florian_kc: I updated vanille.de to accept your keys as well |
| 17:20.30 | florian_kc | koen|food: ah cool - many thanks! |
| 17:41.17 | pb_ | florian_kc: rock |
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| 18:03.53 | florian_kc | bbl |
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| 18:41.30 | bedboi | koen|food: are you there |
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| 18:43.17 | orangey | hey all! |
| 18:43.32 | orangey | How can I sync my GPE calendar with a .ics file? |
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| 19:06.52 | wlm | help |
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| 19:23.01 | wlm | Is there a pdf viewer for gpe? I found one for opie... |
| 19:23.51 | _law_|iBook | wim evince |
| 19:24.49 | wlm | _law_|iBook: Thanks! |
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| 19:30.25 | wlm | _law_|iBook: I ran ipkgfind, but it didn't find evince. Is there an ipk or should I build one from a .deb? |
| 19:31.48 | _law_|iBook | wim which device |
| 19:32.22 | wlm | _law_|iBook: ipaq h3600. |
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| 19:42.00 | mimecar | hi |
| 19:46.29 | wlm | I would like to understand how to use the -d switch of ipkg. Can I just install programs under any directory? Will they find themselves and whatever data they need if they are out of their usual locations? |
| 19:53.36 | DataBeaver | Yes and no, respectively (I suppose) |
| 19:55.18 | wlm | DataBeaver: So, what is the use of ipkg -d? |
| 19:56.07 | DataBeaver | You might want to install some programs into your home directory or something |
| 19:56.56 | DataBeaver | Most programs won't need too much setting up to work from nonstandard places |
| 19:57.59 | wlm | DataBeaver: I just got a hard disk, so I would like to install some programs there to save space. |
| 19:58.25 | wlm | DataBeaver: So, should I just try and see if it works? |
| 19:59.07 | wlm | DataBeaver: If libraries or other programs get installed due to dependencies, would they go into their standard or the nonstandard places? |
| 19:59.25 | DataBeaver | nonstandard, I'd say |
| 19:59.58 | DataBeaver | You'll probably need to use LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/packages/installed/here/lib or something like that at least |
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| 20:00.41 | DataBeaver | If you're going to always keep the disk in, I'd suggest mounting it as /usr |
| 20:02.27 | wlm | If I'm keeping the disk in, would you recommend installing 'intimate' or keeping gpe? |
| 20:03.51 | DataBeaver | What do you mean? |
| 20:04.07 | DataBeaver | Is intimate some other palmtop environment? |
| 20:05.34 | wlm | DataBeaver: Yes. Its supposed to be a full debian installation but its too big to fit in 'flash'. |
| 20:05.34 | orangey | intimate = debian for handhelds, I believe |
| 20:06.01 | wlm | Anyone has experience with 'intimate'. |
| 20:06.46 | DataBeaver | Well, I'm pretty happy with gpe on my Zaurus. |
| 20:08.36 | wlm | DataBeaver: Well, thanks for the advice. |
| 20:09.10 | DataBeaver | If you're unsure and have time, you could try both |
| 20:23.04 | orangey | hmmm. |
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| 20:23.13 | orangey | sometimes the gpe font size is ridiculously small (such as in the app launcher) |
| 20:23.15 | orangey | how do I change that? |
| 20:23.19 | DataBeaver | Is it possible to turn off the display, like xset dpms force off? |
| 20:24.14 | DataBeaver | orangey: Edit /usr/share/themes/<your theme>/matchbox/theme.desktop |
| 20:24.35 | DataBeaver | Change or add MenuFont=<font spec> |
| 20:25.03 | DataBeaver | I like Sans-4:Normal |
| 20:25.33 | DataBeaver | I think the default is something like Sans-3 |
| 20:26.10 | DataBeaver | for other fonts, use the "Look and feel" dialog |
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| 20:27.34 | reenoo | evening |
| 20:27.45 | Philippe | hey reenoo |
| 20:27.56 | reenoo | hey Philippe |
| 20:28.04 | Philippe | ah better |
| 20:28.18 | Philippe | reenoo, you got my answer about that commit? |
| 20:28.34 | orangey | data: and any way to make the keyboard bigger? |
| 20:28.54 | pb_ | hi reenoo |
| 20:29.01 | reenoo | hey pb_ |
| 20:29.20 | orangey | DataBeaver: p.s., that command doesn't seem to have worked.. I added "MenuFont=Sans-4:Normal" to my theme.desktop |
| 20:29.32 | orangey | DataBeaver: then did /etc/init.d/gpe-dm stop ; (then start) |
| 20:29.43 | DataBeaver | hm. |
| 20:30.54 | DataBeaver | That did work for me... |
| 20:31.00 | DataBeaver | So the font is still small and bolded? |
| 20:31.09 | orangey | small; doesn't look bolded.. |
| 20:31.17 | orangey | we're talking about the app-launcher from the menu |
| 20:31.22 | orangey | i.e., the arrow pointing up |
| 20:31.30 | orangey | when I click on it, the text is tiny |
| 20:31.39 | DataBeaver | Well, try changing it more radically, like Sans-7 or something |
| 20:32.38 | DataBeaver | i'm not sure what's your definition of "tiny", it's about 8 pixels here |
| 20:32.47 | orangey | tiny as in illegible. |
| 20:32.48 | DataBeaver | (the size of a capital letter) |
| 20:33.12 | orangey | each letter is ~ 2mm high |
| 20:33.24 | orangey | I don't think we differ that it's tiny : ) |
| 20:33.42 | DataBeaver | What kind of device? |
| 20:33.43 | orangey | the application fonts are OK, though. |
| 20:33.45 | orangey | hx4700 |
| 20:33.58 | orangey | it wasn't always like this.. just happened now |
| 20:33.59 | DataBeaver | 320x240? |
| 20:34.26 | orangey | 640x480 or 800x600 |
| 20:34.42 | DataBeaver | How much dpi? |
| 20:34.59 | DataBeaver | (3.5" at 640x480 has about 200dpi) |
| 20:35.20 | orangey | not sure of the dpi |
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| 20:36.01 | florian | re |
| 20:36.51 | orangey | OK.. bad syntax |
| 20:36.54 | DataBeaver | Okay, it's a Pocket PC, so probably around 200 dpi |
| 20:36.59 | orangey | MenuFont=Sans 7 |
| 20:37.03 | orangey | that's the right syntax for me |
| 20:37.10 | DataBeaver | k |
| 20:37.18 | DataBeaver | Sans-4:Normal did work here though... |
| 20:37.24 | DataBeaver | Maybe you have a different version of something. |
| 20:37.34 | orangey | perhaps |
| 20:37.49 | pb_ | florian: wb |
| 20:38.19 | orangey | next.. how can I change keyboard size? |
| 20:38.35 | orangey | or the font at the top that says "applications" or whatever? |
| 20:38.55 | DataBeaver | is there any way to turn the display backlight off so that it's reactivated by tapping the display? |
| 20:39.17 | reenoo | Philippe: yah. although I'm not sure I understand your reply. it sounds rather unlikely a 'monotone merge' would result in commenting out half of the file. you've probably done that yourself to test with gtk+ 2.8 or something. |
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| 20:41.36 | orangey | hmmm. how can I find out all the options within theme.desktop? |
| 20:42.41 | johnX | http://projects.o-hand.com/matchbox/documentation/themes/ar01s06.html |
| 20:43.07 | DataBeaver | Nothing for the desktop title font though |
| 20:43.19 | Philippe | reenoo, I only committed that change yesterday. I got me a clean tree, edited the file,did monotone pull, update & commit |
| 20:43.54 | johnX | DataBeaver: I've been setting that by the command line option... |
| 20:44.14 | DataBeaver | hm... |
| 20:44.29 | orangey | yep.. strange. |
| 20:48.10 | pb_ | florian: can you tell me what the reason was for this call to gtk_adjustment_clamp_page() that you added to gpe-calendar's day_view.c::scroll_to()? It seems to be responsible for the flicker when changing between days, and judging from the documentation of what it does, it seems hard to believe that it can have any useful effect. |
| 20:48.53 | reenoo | Philippe: well. to my knowledge monotone doesn't magically change your working copy. |
| 20:49.15 | pb_ | florian: afaict, the only function of that call is to set the adjustment's value so that it falls within the specified range. But, in this case, the value will be immediately overwritten by the gtk_adjustment_set_value() in the following line. |
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| 20:50.30 | megamax | hi! |
| 20:50.40 | Philippe | reenoo, that is why I do not get it either... |
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| 20:53.07 | florian | pb_: Right... that was part of bedbois original code, before your change this was necessary for something i don't remember exactly. |
| 20:53.41 | reenoo | Philippe: anyways, I just sent a reply to oe@. have a look at the commit messages policy, revert the unintended changes, and we'll be all set. |
| 20:54.03 | florian | pb_: if it still works without this we definitely should get rid of it. |
| 20:54.41 | pb_ | florian: okay, cool |
| 20:54.50 | pb_ | it seems to work better without, so I'll remove it |
| 20:54.59 | florian | :-) |
| 20:55.43 | Philippe | reenoo, well I think my commit message was clear enough no? Change gpe-mini-browser and libgpewidget... |
| 20:56.25 | reenoo | Philippe: please just read the section in the wiki |
| 20:56.37 | Philippe | reenoo, I will. Sorry for the inconvienience |
| 20:57.45 | Philippe | reenoo, were is that section? A wiki search on commit does not turn up anything about it. |
| 20:58.00 | reenoo | Also, please have a look at the "Committing" section of |
| 20:58.00 | reenoo | http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/MonotonePhraseBook |
| 20:58.15 | reenoo | </quote> |
| 20:58.49 | pb_ | heh |
| 21:16.15 | florian | Okay... now that i found out that Germany sucks one more time, what do we do? |
| 21:16.59 | Philippe | florian, what did Germany this time? |
| 21:17.09 | Philippe | pb_, :-) |
| 21:17.10 | pb_ | this is no fun |
| 21:17.10 | florian | pb_: What are you doing? Lets try to find out what we call GPE 2.7...# |
| 21:17.26 | florian | pb_: hrm... thats a good idea. |
| 21:17.54 | pb_ | I think I've also fixed the g_locale_to_utf8() thing that was making the day view crash. |
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| 21:18.21 | florian | Philippe: Making things more and more complicated for small and medium sized companies. |
| 21:18.46 | pb_ | crumbs, even more complicated? |
| 21:18.54 | pb_ | by all accounts it was almost infinitely complicated before. |
| 21:19.35 | florian | I just watched a report about Swizerland and Austria trying to attract German companies... on ARD, thats what i call independence ;-) |
| 21:20.23 | pb_ | hehe |
| 21:21.14 | florian | pb_: yeah... the German version of that EU-directive to recycle electrical equipment is a major pain. |
| 21:21.42 | florian | pb_: But thas only one new example of many... |
| 21:22.08 | pb_ | WEEE? yeah, I think that is a pain almost everywhere. |
| 21:22.37 | Philippe | florian, it cannot be as bad as the Belgian one... The consumer pays a fee for it, the salesman has to pay special taxes for it, then the seller is obliged to take old stuff back and again pay for disposing it... |
| 21:22.37 | florian | Still no official way to declare personal taxes without Windows :-/ |
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| 21:23.19 | florian | hrm... Swizerland isn't in the EC :-) |
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| 21:25.10 | florian | Philippe: Here even registration is expensive, and its the same independend from the amount of stuff you sell. But the worst is that if you sell to companies only you are not forced to do anything... |
| 21:27.03 | Philippe | florian, I guess each country has insane rules. Blame lawyers... (in the end most politicians are lawyers...) |
| 21:27.34 | Philippe | In BE they even managed to create 5 different parlements + having the EU. I mean that is job creation.... |
| 21:27.51 | florian | Philippe: Here its becoming worse every year... |
| 21:28.08 | florian | Philippe: well... .be is smaller, but we have more ;-) |
| 21:28.45 | Philippe | 's politicians to normal people ratio |
| 21:28.47 | florian | Speaking about beer? ;) |
| 21:30.14 | pb_ | florian: I checked in a pile of gpe-calendar changes, in case you'd like to try them out. |
| 21:31.11 | mreimer | pb_, thanks for all your work on GPE lately |
| 21:31.12 | florian | pb_: oh cool - okay :-) |
| 21:31.20 | mreimer | florian, you too :-) |
| 21:32.34 | florian | mreimer: yw :-) |
| 21:36.57 | florian | pb_: Do you have ideas on what to change in the 2.7 column? http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/GPERoadmap |
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| 21:38.11 | pb_ | florian: I can think of a few things. Should I just go ahead and edit the page? |
| 21:39.04 | florian | pb_: yes please... i think the latest relases might want to go in there, so far i didn't find any critical issues. |
| 21:41.38 | pb_ | okay, done |
| 21:42.06 | pb_ | I put gpe-calendar 0.69 in there, which isn't actually released yet. I guess we can release that today. |
| 21:42.17 | florian | pb_: rock! |
| 21:43.20 | pb_ | I just found another memory leak in you-know-what-code, but it seems like a minor one and I don't have the strength to try to fix it. |
| 21:43.29 | pb_ | I guess I'll ask Luca to investigate that one. |
| 21:43.34 | florian | ok |
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| 21:44.04 | pb_ | The code in the current HEAD seems to work okay for me, anyway, though I've only tested it on my laptop so far. |
| 21:45.58 | pb_ | By the way, has anybody tested teleport recently? I tried it out yesterday but had no luck at all: it seems to just destroy any application that is running when you start it up. |
| 21:46.21 | reenoo | hmm. speaking of releases. anyone mind if I release a new version of minilite? current HEAD adds the same +/- labels minimix already has |
| 21:46.34 | pb_ | sure, go ahead |
| 21:47.19 | florian | i can build new packages for testing on the devices... |
| 21:47.47 | florian | reenoo: good idea, add it to the matrix and tell me when the source is in place. :-) |
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| 21:52.47 | hrw | hi |
| 21:53.04 | reenoo | florian: uploaded |
| 21:53.15 | florian | hi hrw |
| 21:53.23 | florian | reenoo: many thanks... |
| 21:53.43 | hrw | who I can complain about gpe-conf? it allow to define font for terminal but terminal ignore it even after relogin |
| 21:54.07 | florian | hrw: i'm the master of gpe-conf |
| 21:54.44 | reenoo | florian: np. I've added 0.50 to the wiki page, too. |
| 21:55.25 | pb_ | florian: I'm uploading gpe-calendar 0.69 now. |
| 21:55.32 | pb_ | seems that handhelds.org is running slooooooooooooooowly this evening |
| 21:55.46 | hrw | florian: I booted gpe-image on my sl-5500 (from .oz354fam083 branch so gpe 2.7) and terminal use mono/5 when should mono/6 |
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| 21:56.54 | pb_ | florian: done |
| 21:58.02 | DataBeaver | Is there any package that would provide support for automatic backlight adjustment according to AC state? |
| 21:58.22 | florian | pb_: did you try my startup monitor package? |
| 21:58.26 | florian | oops, brb |
| 21:58.36 | pb_ | florian: not yet, but I'll do so immediately |
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| 22:00.17 | pb_ | hail zecke |
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| 22:04.40 | pb_ | florian: startup-monitor seems to work great. unfortunately the new gpe-bluetooth looks a bit busted. |
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| 22:10.33 | pb_ | actually, no, gpe-bluetooth looks okay as well |
| 22:10.39 | pb_ | I guess I just wasn't tapping the screen hard enough :-) |
| 22:10.44 | reenoo | heh |
| 22:14.26 | pb_ | ah, and now teleport works as well. awesome. |
| 22:14.44 | pb_ | admittedly you don't seem to be able to quit teleport itself, but that's a minor issue |
| 22:20.56 | florian | (packages uploaded) |
| 22:21.00 | pb_ | thanks |
| 22:21.14 | florian | still in bg, have a guest here... |
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| 22:47.10 | florian | re |
| 22:47.26 | florian | This building seems to attract strange people... |
| 22:48.18 | pb_ | florian: ! |
| 22:48.33 | johnX | do you have a sign up anywhere that says something like "we welcome weird people!" ? |
| 22:49.40 | florian | johnX: We don't need to... you can see it walkin through the street. It is really old and looks like it would need something like a "maintainer" ;-) |
| 22:50.41 | johnX | aw nice |
| 22:51.18 | hrw | ok. I go sleep but before I will tell one thing: gpe 2.7 looks and works much better then 2.5 or 2.3 which I tried ~year ago. |
| 22:51.59 | hrw | but on collie I would stay with opie anyway |
| 22:52.10 | florian | hrw: thanks :-) ... and i see your problem with rosetta-trainer, Ole just takes some UI design lessons ;) |
| 22:52.25 | hrw | a.. scap one ;) |
| 22:52.59 | hrw | needed to test wifi on something and it was one of things which was not looking as expected |
| 22:54.27 | hrw | other thing.. gpe-calculator has 'Calculator' under icon. but in ;active tasks; and in window taskmenu its 'galculator v0,7' |
| 22:54.43 | hrw | some apps does not even got icons in 'active tasks' |
| 22:54.57 | hrw | own icons I mean |
| 22:55.43 | florian | hrw: ah right, some apps don't set window icons. |
| 22:56.39 | hrw | ah. ok |
| 22:57.18 | florian | pb_: very good, so i'll add these to the list... |
| 22:57.41 | hrw | will gpe-conf get option to change matchbox-panel theme font? on vga many people want to bump it a bit |
| 22:57.47 | florian | (about gpe-bluetooth and startup-minitor) |
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| 22:57.59 | pb_ | florian: thanjs |
| 22:58.01 | pb_ | thanks, also |
| 22:58.37 | reenoo | arrgh |
| 22:58.39 | reenoo | Could not find GTK. I tried to execute gtk-config |
| 22:58.56 | reenoo | ~lart bitrot |
| 22:59.21 | pb_ | gtk-config? crumbs |
| 23:00.09 | florian | hrw: i don't think so... i'd rather like a gtk based panel. changing the theming of matchbox-panel on the fly isn't that easy. |
| 23:00.29 | hrw | florian: ok |
| 23:00.36 | florian | reenoo: :-) |
| 23:01.21 | hrw | one thing and I go. gpe-systeminfo |
| 23:02.11 | hrw | why it has big 'Close' button on bottom which only take space? window already has 'close window' button which do the same. without button logs get more space.. |
| 23:03.10 | hrw | ah. and why it show 'OpenEmbedded' as distro instead of OpenZaurus? |
| 23:04.30 | jcole | i have an lder ipaq that had these installed from an old version of familiar - apache, beepmp, bitchx, ddclient, didiwiki, fbvncserver, file-roller, ffmpeg, firefox, gaim-spellcheck, gkdial, gpdf, inkscape, less, linphone, snes9x, streamripper, stunnel, tightvnc-viewer, unzip, vim, wvdial, xchat, xine, zip, etc. (lots more packages) |
| 23:04.30 | jcole | are there any plans on adding back any of these to 0.8.3? i have a new ipaq, hx4700, that only comes with an 0.8.3 image of familiar |
| 23:04.44 | florian | hrw: It does not know how to identify OZ, if you can point me to to some info about this that would be great. |
| 23:04.57 | hrw | florian: /etc/issue |
| 23:05.16 | hrw | florian: opie-sysinfo use it |
| 23:05.30 | florian | hrw: okay |
| 23:06.24 | hrw | its in libopie2/opiecore/odevice/ probably - will check |
| 23:06.50 | jcole | it appears that familiar has removed almost every gtk package in 0.8.3 |
| 23:07.43 | reenoo | jcole: the rc feeds are known to be incomplete. those packages should be back with the final 0.8.3 feeds. |
| 23:07.46 | florian | jcole: I'm not sure if current feeds contain everything which should be available in the final images. koen|sleep might be the person to ask about these stuff. |
| 23:09.14 | jcole | reenoo: that sucks |
| 23:09.17 | hrw | florian: http://handhelds.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/opie/libopie2/opiecore/device/odevice.cpp?rev=1.38&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup in constructor of ODevice |
| 23:09.46 | hrw | jcole: you can build it yourself.. |
| 23:11.04 | florian | pb_: looks like we are pretty much up to date... |
| 23:12.29 | hrw | hm. looks like we dont generate /etc/oz_version now.. ;) |
| 23:12.52 | pb_ | florian: very good! |
| 23:13.37 | florian | hrw: heh |
| 23:14.13 | hrw | today I will test oz 3.5.4 with opie so maybe I'll add some tweaks |
| 23:14.45 | jcole | hrw: is there a howto? |
| 23:15.29 | hrw | jcole: GettingStarted in OpenEmbedded wiki, then proper branch + config and you need some time and diskspace |
| 23:16.13 | hrw | night all |
| 23:16.18 | florian | hrw: add oz_version? ;-) |
| 23:16.23 | florian | hrw: good night |
| 23:17.23 | hrw | florian: opie sysinfo strips /etc/issue flags so it would rather be removing of checking other files in libopie as post3.5.4 material |
| 23:19.03 | jcole | does koen|sleep know that gtk/x apps are missing? |
| 23:20.10 | pb_ | I think he does, but you might like to (a) send a note to the familiar-dev list, and (b) file a report in bugzilla. |
| 23:22.56 | jcole | he removed my comment "NOTE: Familiar v0.8.3 repositories for GTK/GPE/X apps are missing many packages, OPIE is recommended at this time." from this page http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HpIpaqHx4700HowtoInstallLinux saying "remove nonsense about feeds" |
| 23:23.20 | jcole | i'm not sure if i should add it back, lol |
| 23:25.28 | jcole | he seems to think opie is brokem |
| 23:25.44 | jcole | is it also broken? i haven't tried yet |
| 23:27.13 | jcole | i'll kindly ask todd at sdg systems to create his opie/gpe images from 8.2 instead of 8.3... |
| 23:29.46 | reenoo | jcole_awy: I'm moderately sure that won't work |
| 23:30.47 | reenoo | arrgh... hand-written configure script |
| 23:30.58 | reenoo | ~lart academic software |
| 23:32.19 | florian | heh |
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| 23:33.47 | jcole_awy | reenoo: hmm |
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| 23:34.40 | florian | pb_: I'll try to prepare a note about 2.7 release before i fall asleep... |
| 23:35.08 | pb_ | florian: great |
| 23:35.14 | pb_ | yeah, definitely |
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| 23:36.52 | jcole | reenoo: are the opie apps broken as bad as the gpe/gtk apps are in 0.8.3? if not, how hard is it to switch to gpe from opie once gpe is fixed? |
| 23:37.27 | reenoo | jcole: what do you mean by broken? they're missing, that's all. |
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| 23:45.11 | reenoo | ~praise pkg-config |
| 23:45.12 | ibot | All hail pkg-config! |
| 23:46.18 | florian | reenoo: hmm... try to defeat newer versions of pkg-config, they will try to beat oe ;-) |
| 23:46.50 | jcole | reenoo: they just need to be built and copied over? |
| 23:47.46 | reenoo | jcole: apart from regression bugs, yeah |
| 23:48.30 | jcole | reenoo: does familiar have (or considered) an autobuild process like debian has? http://buildd.debian.org/ |
| 23:55.05 | florian | pb_: whats the status of gpe-nmf? |
| 23:56.41 | mreimer | florian: what's the status of florian-baby? breathing air yet? |
| 23:57.41 | florian | heh |
| 23:57.55 | florian | mreimer: not yet... still 6 weeks to go, officially. |
| 23:58.44 | mreimer | not quite ripe yet then :-) |
| 23:59.03 | florian | :-) |
| 23:59.48 | pb_ | florian: busted. I started converting it to gstreamer0.10, but wasn't able to make playbin work yet. |
