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| 00:30.17 | bedboi | bioapi is cool |
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| 03:11.12 | Russ | pb_: any known issues with the new libgpewidget? gpe-conf is segfaulting on me |
| 03:13.52 | Russ | (0.106-r0) |
| 03:14.09 | Russ | hmm...I suppose that isn't the "new" gpewidget |
| 03:23.20 | Luke-Jr | conf or confd? |
| 03:26.50 | Russ | conf |
| 03:26.54 | Russ | gpe-todo crashes too |
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| 03:40.11 | Russ | nm, its cairo |
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| 09:18.05 | bedboi | hi all |
| 09:18.15 | johnX | hello |
| 09:24.33 | Russ | morning |
| 09:24.43 | johnX | I guess it is |
| 09:24.52 | johnX | seems like it was night just an hour and a half ago |
| 09:24.55 | Russ | I'm running the unstable stuff, gpe-calendar runs, gpe-contacts crashes |
| 09:25.07 | Russ | eh, its still 2:30 am here |
| 09:25.25 | Russ | anyway, it crashes in cairo_scaled_font_destroy |
| 09:26.37 | Russ | heck, gpe-clock crashes |
| 09:27.39 | johnX | I'm not a dev, but out of curiosity what versions are these? |
| 09:34.31 | Russ | Package: gpe-clock |
| 09:34.31 | Russ | Version: 0.21-r0 |
| 09:34.37 | Russ | Package: libgpewidget1 |
| 09:34.37 | Russ | Version: 0.106-r0 |
| 09:34.54 | Russ | Package: libcairo1 |
| 09:34.54 | Russ | Version: 0.5.2-r0 |
| 09:35.40 | Russ | Package: gtk+ |
| 09:35.40 | Russ | Version: 2.8.9-r0 |
| 09:36.29 | johnX | ah that would explain it...I'm still on gtk+ 2.6.7-r1 |
| 09:43.47 | Russ | 2.6.7 doesn't use cairo |
| 09:44.48 | Russ | Package: libpixman1 |
| 09:44.48 | Russ | Version: 0.1.6-r0 |
| 09:45.06 | johnX | you don't have to list all the versions... |
| 09:45.10 | Russ | ya |
| 09:45.16 | johnX | I was just mostly interested in how it differed from my setup |
| 09:45.17 | Russ | maybe koen is idle somewhere |
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| 10:12.25 | florian_kc | good morning |
| 10:13.30 | johnX | 'morning |
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| 10:41.51 | florian_kc | hi bedboi, hi pb__ |
| 10:42.44 | bedboi | hey florian_kc |
| 10:43.37 | pb__ | florian_kc: good morning! |
| 10:44.40 | pb__ | florian_kc: I saw a note on familiar@ from some guy who complains that rotating the screen on his h5500 screws up the touchscreen calibration. Does that happen for you? |
| 10:48.20 | florian_kc | pb__: hmmm... i just tried. seems to work... |
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| 10:49.31 | pb__ | weird. I wonder what his problem was |
| 10:50.08 | pb__ | I would try flashing my h5500, but (stupidly) I seem to have left all necessary equipment at home |
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| 11:04.44 | pb__ | meantime, I'll file bugzilla reports for the issues I found so far |
| 11:05.26 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 11:05.49 | florian_kc | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.26148.png |
| 11:06.22 | florian_kc | I know it doesn't look good, but thats caused by my handwriting and not by a calibration problem. |
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| 11:09.37 | pb__ | hehe |
| 11:09.50 | pb__ | okay, excellent |
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| 11:22.21 | hrhr | hi all |
| 11:24.00 | florian_kc | hi hrhr |
| 11:26.11 | hrhr | florian_kc: any news about gpe? |
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| 11:27.40 | hrhr | lolita__: hi |
| 11:28.04 | lolita__ | Hi |
| 11:29.05 | justalad | hrhr: any news about WiFi? ;-) |
| 11:30.01 | hrhr | justalad: not....i have exam tomorrow... |
| 11:30.38 | hrhr | but one news I have |
| 11:30.52 | hrhr | i try latest sources from acx |
| 11:31.07 | hrhr | and build one module without problems |
| 11:31.21 | hrhr | in new version we need only acx.ko |
| 11:31.32 | hrhr | and i will try playing with it |
| 11:32.24 | hrhr | i need info about chip... |
| 11:32.40 | hrhr | i will extract it from Todd's sources |
| 11:35.41 | hrhr | 14:21 [ chipi ] [ flypiper ] [ joshua_ ] [ moray ] [ RP ] [ ||cw ] |
| 11:35.44 | hrhr | ÷åîò |
| 11:35.49 | hrhr | ÷åðò |
| 11:35.52 | hrhr | fuck |
| 11:35.58 | hrhr | sorry |
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| 11:48.33 | lolita__ | Dont worry I post my passwords in irc channels accidentaly on a regular basis |
| 11:48.53 | johnX | ord: secret |
| 11:48.58 | johnX | oops, how did this get focus |
| 11:49.23 | lolita__ | Jap :-) |
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| 14:40.12 | pb__ | florian_kc: I guess we should make a new feed with gpe updates to 0.8.3-rc1, so that we can test fixes for whatever bugs are discovered. |
| 14:44.29 | florian_kc | pb__: hmm... that would rock, indeed. |
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| 14:47.21 | pb__ | florian_kc: I'll set something up in the gpe project area. Do you have the technology to build updated binaries for the packages that have changed recently? |
| 14:47.46 | pb__ | I think we need gpe-what, libgpewidget, gtk, gpe-clock, gpe-mini-browser, and no doubt some others. |
| 14:47.48 | pb__ | maybe gpe-conf too |
| 14:48.08 | pb__ | actually, gpe-clock probably needs a new release doing first |
| 14:48.13 | pb__ | oh, and xserver-common to fix the dpi thing |
| 14:49.07 | pb__ | plus, it is a major suck that there is no audio player in the feeds (let alone the images). Let's install packages for gpe-nmf and gpe-amp and see if either of them can be made to work. |
| 14:52.25 | florian_kc | pb__: yes... that sould be pretty easy. |
| 14:53.26 | florian_kc | pb__: indeed - an audio player would be important. |
| 14:54.49 | florian_kc | pb__: xserver-common is a candidate for a branch, one lying about dpi and one with the correct dpi. |
| 14:55.20 | pb__ | heh |
| 14:55.46 | ||cw | selling my h5555 and accessories, any takres before I ebay it? picts at http://gallery.free-source.com/gallery/album13 |
| 14:57.05 | pb__ | florian_kc: okay. well, if you can build the new binaries, please scp them to handhelds.org:/home/gpe/website/feed/0.8.3-rc1+/ |
| 14:57.15 | pb__ | I'll set up a cronjob to generate the Packages files every 15 minutes or so |
| 14:57.24 | florian_kc | pb__: cool |
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| 15:26.04 | florian_kc | "monotone: misuse: unable to resolve dir conflict" |
| 15:26.09 | florian_kc | *gnaaaaaa* |
| 15:26.50 | pb__ | doh |
| 15:27.06 | pb__ | I hate the way monotone accuses you of "misuse" whenever it goes wrong. |
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| 15:28.02 | florian_kc | yeah... |
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| 15:30.15 | pb__ | fwiw, zecke has been testing darcs and git as replacements for monotone |
| 15:31.43 | florian_kc | Sounds good.... mercurial might be another interesting candidate. |
| 15:33.09 | pb__ | I think mercurial is still a bit too new and experimental |
| 15:33.17 | pb__ | well, darcs and git are fairly experimental, but mercurial seems even more so |
| 15:40.59 | florian_kc | I don't really know how stable or unstable it is, i found their website some days ago and it looked pretty interesting.. |
| 15:40.59 | florian_kc | s/their/its |
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| 16:13.18 | florian_kc | OE pain again :-/ |
| 16:13.20 | florian_kc | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.38 | pb__ | hell |
| 16:18.07 | florian_kc | I'll try to fix this later... |
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| 17:14.27 | pb__ | florian_kc: I guess that error probably means that pkg-config is too old or something. |
| 17:14.51 | pb__ | The macro should be defined in aclocal/pkg.m4, anyway. |
| 17:21.39 | florian_kc | pb__: okay... i'll try to keep this in mind. |
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| 17:34.24 | Philippe | evening people |
| 17:35.15 | florian_kc | hi Philippe |
| 17:35.30 | florian_kc | I know my update failed :-/ |
| 17:35.41 | Philippe | hey florian_kc |
| 17:35.54 | Philippe | I see nothing in the logs... on CIA |
| 17:42.04 | Philippe | florian_kc, btw I like the GPE promoting on the maemo lists :-) |
| 17:45.33 | florian_kc | Philippe: heh |
| 17:46.20 | florian_kc | If Kimmo is right and thy intend to offer cron for scheduling tasks our solution is way more advanced :-) |
| 17:50.31 | Philippe | oh yes, that was mentioned too :-) |
| 17:50.48 | Philippe | I just wonder why you think a one minute resolution is too low |
| 17:52.08 | florian_kc | Philippe: If you fire up an alert you want to make it happen at the exact time it is set and not a minute or half a minute later. Not that it really matters, but people will complain... |
| 17:52.55 | Philippe | florian_kc, I honestly would not notice I think... but I did not think about something like that and you might be right there |
| 17:53.57 | ||cw | what about "at" |
| 17:54.50 | florian_kc | Philippe: same here... in one situation maybe: An alarm clock with a snooze feature... |
| 17:55.16 | florian_kc | ||cw: no idea.. for some reason they don't want that. |
| 18:00.34 | florian_kc | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.28991.png |
| 18:00.42 | florian_kc | Seems to work... basically. |
| 18:01.10 | _law_|iBook | florian_kc only for mp3 ? |
| 18:01.20 | _law_|iBook | or doesn ogg also work |
| 18:01.32 | _law_|iBook | s/doesn/does |
| 18:01.44 | florian_kc | _law_|iBook: No idea... only mp3 i think. |
| 18:02.00 | florian_kc | ogg would be a job for gpe-amp or gpe-nmf |
| 18:02.10 | florian_kc | ibot: seen Skyhusker? |
| 18:02.22 | ibot | skyhusker <n=tcpdevil@80-103-38-166.mad1.dialup.uni2.es> was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 49d 3h 22m 18s ago, saying: 'hi TyggerBob'. |
| 18:03.27 | _law_|iBook | hmm but there is no bb file :-( |
| 18:03.30 | florian_kc | hrm... |
| 18:03.58 | florian_kc | I think that would be easy... but i'm not sure if i have the latest sources. |
| 18:05.20 | _law_|iBook | http://www.zwong.de/gpe/gpe-mp3_0.1.bb :-) |
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| 18:08.12 | _law_|iBook | i´ll try i build for my husky |
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| 18:11.32 | _law_|iBook | NOTE: package gpe-mp3-0.1: completed |
| 18:12.35 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 18:15.15 | florian_kc | indeed... |
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| 18:27.48 | pb__ | florian_kc: mm. I guess I should have a look at gpe-nmf again. |
| 18:28.03 | pb__ | I'll make that my mission for, I dunno, maybe this evening. |
| 18:30.44 | florian_kc | pb__: that would be cool... maybe using the new gstreamer some more bits just start to work :-) |
| 18:32.08 | pb__ | let's hope! |
| 18:32.36 | pb__ | yo zecke |
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| 18:36.15 | law_ | gpe-mp3 works nice :-) http://handhelds.org/scap/port.31997.png |
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| 18:37.10 | law_ | but i cant play a file named Dan Brown-Diabolus CD1-01-Diabolus 01.mp3 but if i rename it to dan_brown.mp3 it works |
| 18:37.37 | florian_kc | hmm... audio books ight be a good idea :-) |
| 18:37.53 | florian_kc | sounds like this is easy to fix... |
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| 18:39.30 | law_ | florian_kc: time also doesnt work... |
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| 18:59.28 | hrhr | hi all |
| 18:59.54 | hrhr | which file include's configs for gpe-bluetooth? |
| 19:03.09 | hrhr | ...i find it... |
| 19:04.29 | Philippe | _law_|iBook, probabely those hidous and evil spaces in the name... |
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| 19:27.52 | bedboi | what mp3 player do you use generally (on your pc)? |
| 19:29.41 | _law_|iBook | bedboi amarok |
| 19:31.44 | bedboi | is that for kde? |
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| 19:36.55 | mimecar | hi |
| 19:47.57 | pb_ | bedboi: rhythmbox |
| 19:48.08 | pb_ | I live in hope that someone will make an rb frontend for small devices |
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| 19:49.23 | florian_ | re |
| 19:50.04 | pb_ | florian_: wb |
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| 20:18.19 | helgoman | hi |
| 20:18.29 | florian_ | hello helgoman |
| 20:19.05 | mreimer | hello all |
| 20:20.23 | hrhr | mreimer ðø |
| 20:20.24 | hrhr | mreimer ð |
| 20:20.26 | hrhr | mreimer hi |
| 20:20.31 | mreimer | hello hrhr |
| 20:22.54 | bedboi | anyone ever tried rox? |
| 20:23.10 | florian_ | hey mreimer |
| 20:23.15 | bedboi | xfce4 + rox is a perfect combination |
| 20:23.17 | mreimer | hey florian_ |
| 20:24.02 | florian_ | bedboi: not yet... but it looks pretty interesting |
| 20:24.26 | bedboi | you have to try it |
| 20:24.38 | bedboi | i've installed it two minutes ago and i'm additing to it |
| 20:25.01 | bedboi | minimal but powerfull |
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| 20:26.50 | bedboi | florian_: you really have to try rox -S |
| 20:26.58 | bedboi | in xfce4 |
| 20:27.02 | hrhr | what is rox? |
| 20:27.12 | bedboi | it is a cool file browser |
| 20:27.17 | bedboi | it is really intellignet |
| 20:27.21 | bedboi | *intelligent |
| 20:27.36 | hrhr | xfce fully complete for handhelds? |
| 20:27.41 | bedboi | don't know |
| 20:27.46 | bedboi | i'm using it on my pc |
| 20:27.51 | hrhr | aaa |
| 20:28.06 | mreimer | pb_, did you have a chance to look at pxa_keys? |
| 20:28.18 | hrhr | bedboi: you fanat gtk based systems? |
| 20:28.29 | bedboi | obviously |
| 20:28.35 | bedboi | i don't really like kde |
| 20:28.38 | bedboi | too bloated |
| 20:28.43 | pb_ | mreimer: not yet, sorry |
| 20:28.56 | mreimer | np, I haven't fixed h2200_kbd yet :-) |
| 20:29.05 | bedboi | wow |
| 20:29.31 | bedboi | using +/- resizes thumbs |
| 20:29.39 | bedboi | i don't need gthumb :) |
| 20:32.04 | florian_ | hrhr: looks pretty nice in the big Zaurius models... makes a nice small desktop environment... but not really designed for handhelds. |
| 20:34.53 | hrhr | florian_: it haven't PIM functions? |
| 20:36.08 | florian_ | hrhr: not that i'm aware of... |
| 20:36.21 | florian_ | bedboi: its fast... |
| 20:36.32 | bedboi | yep it is |
| 20:43.44 | florian_ | Guys - stay away from Germany. German tax software sucks ;-) |
| 20:44.49 | pb_ | florian_: thanks for the warning |
| 20:45.04 | pb_ | and, hm, that reminds me that the deadline for tax returns is again approaching |
| 20:45.12 | Philippe | florian_, what happened to the good old pen & paper? |
| 20:45.31 | pb_ | I wonder where I put my password for the tax system |
| 20:46.05 | pb_ | Philippe: in addition to taking about five times as long, I always used to end up paying far too much tax when I tried to do mine with pen and paper |
| 20:46.50 | pb_ | yeah, you sort of have to do that predicting here as well, though it only really matters if you expect to earn less than you did the previous year. |
| 20:46.52 | Philippe | pb_, I hope then that the UK tax software works decently. |
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| 20:47.14 | pb_ | yeah, it actually works quite well |
| 20:47.26 | Philippe | In Belgium it was a masterful failure. The software would not even get the simplest cases right. |
| 20:47.28 | pb_ | the only annoying thing is that there are some things it doesn't support at all. |
| 20:48.00 | pb_ | if you have any foreign earnings, or are a Lloyds' name, or a few other classes of things, you still need to fill out a paper return. |
| 20:48.13 | pb_ | luckily none of those things apply to me though :-) |
| 20:49.16 | Philippe | Well in Belgium you either want a simple case and you fill it in by hand, or you get an accountant that knows all possible legal alley's for tax evasion. |
| 20:49.49 | Philippe | The tax system is zo complex that you still have more money left after you payed for the accountant than if you did it by yourself |
| 20:50.02 | pb_ | heh |
| 20:50.21 | pb_ | here, our tax system is (in theory) pretty simple in most cases |
| 20:50.28 | Philippe | Anyway I have to learn a new tax system now... which charges me less taxes :-) |
| 20:50.35 | pb_ | I still don't understand how I always used to get it wrong |
| 20:55.18 | florian_ | pb_: yw :-) |
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| 20:57.29 | pb_ | reenoo: evening |
| 20:57.35 | reenoo | evening all |
| 20:57.37 | reenoo | hey pb_ |
| 20:59.46 | florian_ | hi reenoo |
| 21:00.03 | florian_ | huh... i seem to suffer from some network problems |
| 21:00.13 | mreimer | pb_, may I ask a battery-related question? |
| 21:00.17 | reenoo | hey florian_ |
| 21:00.32 | pb_ | mreimer: of course |
| 21:00.54 | reenoo | pb_: heh. I'm afraid I have little to no clue about the flash layout of h3900s. |
| 21:01.07 | pb_ | reenoo: yah, I did wonder why bugzilla chose to assign that bug to you |
| 21:01.19 | florian_ | Here in Germany it is a biig chaos... and no really useful linux software :-/ |
| 21:01.26 | mreimer | pb_: browsing around in the h5400 code it seems there is some chip that controls charging (not the ds2760), a semtec 800 or some such, and apparently the CHG_EN GPIO controls power to this chip? |
| 21:01.35 | pb_ | mreimer: right |
| 21:01.41 | pb_ | well, enable signal not power, but yeah |
| 21:01.54 | mreimer | pb_: would h2200 have a similar chip, controlled by a GPIO? |
| 21:01.57 | pb_ | the ds2760 is just a monitor, not a charger |
| 21:01.58 | pb_ | yes, it would |
| 21:02.23 | mreimer | so what exactly does that chip/signal do? just allow current into the battery? |
| 21:03.08 | pb_ | yeah, though "just" is a bit of an understatement. charging li-ion batteries is a fairly complex process. |
| 21:03.28 | mreimer | :-) |
| 21:03.41 | mreimer | how necessary is it to turn it off? |
| 21:03.47 | pb_ | the chip takes care of charging at the correct rate, and (most importantly) stopping charging when the battery is full |
| 21:04.05 | pb_ | not necessary at all. on h3800/h3900/h5400, we just leave it on all the time AC is connected |
| 21:04.07 | florian_ | Cool... now my laptop decided to reduce cpu frequency if some process needs cpu cycles... |
| 21:05.12 | mreimer | pb_: ok, I'll stop frobbing it and leave it on. doesn't the ds2760 also protect the battery? |
| 21:05.12 | pb_ | florian_: that's an interesting policy |
| 21:05.22 | pb_ | mreimer: yeah, but only from gross abuse |
| 21:05.56 | pb_ | the ds2760 knows how to disconnect the battery if it thinks that smoke and fire are imminent, but that's kind of a last resort. |
| 21:06.00 | mreimer | ok |
| 21:06.07 | reenoo | heh |
| 21:07.31 | pb_ | florian_: by the way, I poked at gpe-nmf a bit. It looks like, with a modern gstreamer, we should be able to tear out all the lowlevel element stuff and just use playbin, which would make the code a lot simpler. |
| 21:07.48 | pb_ | florian_: unfortunately, I can't make playbin work on my laptop, even with gst-launch, which is a bit of a shame |
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| 21:08.16 | reenoo | pb_: modern as in 0.10 ? |
| 21:08.21 | pb_ | yeah |
| 21:08.21 | florian_ | pb_: hmm sounds pretty good... i always wondered why using gstreamer is that complicated ;-) |
| 21:08.36 | florian_ | well... almost good |
| 21:09.07 | reenoo | pb_: has the 0.10 port of the ivorbis plugin been finished then? |
| 21:09.27 | pb_ | reenoo: no idea, but it can't be that hard to finish if it hasn't. |
| 21:09.38 | pb_ | ivorbis is a pretty simple plugin |
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| 21:10.13 | reenoo | hmm |
| 21:12.52 | vtowel | hello. I've just added support for my IR keyboard to kbdd, and it works fine, except that pressing the Home key (keycode 102) causes the macro for the iTask button to run |
| 21:13.09 | vtowel | any idea why this might be happening? |
| 21:14.14 | pb_ | florian_: yeah. the theory seems to be that you can just go "gst-launch-0.10 playbin uri=file:///something" and have stuff happen. |
| 21:14.52 | Philippe | night all. I have to get up early tomorrow |
| 21:15.31 | reenoo | pb_: fwiw, that works with 0.8, too, if playbin and the decoding plugin like each other ;) |
| 21:18.55 | reenoo | pb_: any luck with ogg playback and/or the alsa driver? |
| 21:19.05 | florian_ | vtowel: sounds like a problem with the mapping of this key... |
| 21:19.28 | vtowel | yes, i just can't figure out where. i don't think it's a bug in the code; kbdd says it's producing keycode 102 when I press home |
| 21:19.39 | vtowel | end, page up, page down, arrow keys, etc. work fine |
| 21:19.41 | florian_ | pb_: that would make it easier, indeed :-) |
| 21:19.51 | florian_ | Philippe: good night |
| 21:20.44 | florian_ | vtowel: yes... you caold ask xev to see to which key 102 is mapped. |
| 21:20.50 | florian_ | eh could |
| 21:21.31 | vtowel | ah.. i was trying to remember the name of that prog. thx. i gotta install it |
| 21:23.07 | vtowel | florian_: do you know if xev is available in an ipkg? |
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| 21:25.09 | florian_ | vtowel: its not in the default images, but you can use it remotely. |
| 21:27.15 | vtowel | ah, right |
| 21:29.43 | mreimer | pb_: so what would the benefit be of even having CHG_EN? why would anyone want to turn it off? |
| 21:30.53 | pb_ | mreimer: dunno. it's possible that leaving it on while the ipaq is running on battery would have bad effects. |
| 21:31.12 | mreimer | pb_: so it would be proper to turn it off while sleeping? |
| 21:31.42 | pb_ | not necessarily, no. you probably want to be able to continue charging during suspend. |
| 21:31.43 | mreimer | I suppose the way to answer that question would be to find docs for the chip |
| 21:31.49 | pb_ | yeah, that too |
| 21:31.55 | mreimer | ok, if AC is not connected and we're suspending? |
| 21:32.03 | mreimer | I think that's what I'm doing now |
| 21:32.07 | pb_ | if ac is not connected, it should be off already |
| 21:32.33 | pb_ | the only thing about suspend is that you need to wake up on ac in/out events, so that you can flip the charger bit appropriately. |
| 21:32.50 | pb_ | probably also want to wake up from time to time during charging in suspend, so you can update the led status if charging has finished |
| 21:33.03 | mreimer | yeah, I'm not doing that yet. One of these days I need to tweak w1_samcop to operate without sleeping, so we can do the partial-wake thing |
| 21:33.13 | pb_ | all this ought to be in generic code, really. |
| 21:33.20 | pb_ | mreimer: right, yeah |
| 21:33.40 | mreimer | yeah, I'm working it out in h2200_battery, but someday I'll abstract it out a bit for other platforms |
| 21:34.00 | mreimer | I'm resetting the ACR, so our battery readings are staying sane now |
| 21:34.09 | florian_ | what does xev mean wit "syntetic"? |
| 21:34.12 | pb_ | righto |
| 21:34.17 | pb_ | florian_: generated by XSendEvent |
| 21:36.10 | florian_ | ah... |
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| 21:36.56 | florian_ | xkbd is using xtest extensions... so that flag isn't set. |
| 21:37.35 | pb_ | right |
| 21:38.44 | law_ | n8 all |
| 21:38.45 | florian_ | Looks like this is not that easy... |
| 21:38.53 | florian_ | law_: good night |
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| 21:40.38 | pb_ | florian_: I don't think there is any way to do that. xkbd is deliberately designed to create events that look just like real keyboard events |
| 21:40.59 | pb_ | it can't use XSendEvent, because most applications would ignore synthetic keyboard events completely |
| 21:41.23 | florian_ | okay... |
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| 22:16.20 | bedboi | hi there |
| 22:16.54 | bedboi | does anyone have a sound card which uses snd_intel8x0 modules? |
| 22:18.58 | florian_ | bedboi: i think so... maybe the r31 |
| 22:19.28 | florian_ | oh, even better... this one :-) |
| 22:23.18 | bedboi | florian_: do you have /dev/dsp? |
| 22:23.24 | bedboi | or /dev/mixer? |
| 22:25.21 | florian_ | bedboi: yes |
| 22:25.48 | bedboi | hmmm |
| 22:25.56 | bedboi | i wonder what i'm missing |
| 22:26.02 | bedboi | debian, right? |
| 22:26.13 | reenoo | oss emulation, probably |
| 22:26.38 | bedboi | reenoo: how to do that? |
| 22:27.01 | florian_ | snd_pcm_oss and snd_mixer_oss |
| 22:27.42 | bedboi | ok |
| 22:27.45 | bedboi | thanks |
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| 23:05.35 | pb_ | tch, who wrote this code? |
| 23:05.36 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.36 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.13 | pb_ | ~lart philippe |
| 23:07.06 | florian_ | heh |
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| 23:33.59 | jcole | anyone alive in here? |
| 23:34.13 | vtowel | florian_: unfortunately the only way I can connect to the network is via USB, and the USB cradle blocks the IR receiver. so I can't use xev remotely to test the IR keyboard. |
| 23:34.35 | vtowel | florian_: so how easy would it be to compile xev for ARM? |
| 23:34.50 | pb_ | pretty easy, or you could use the binary from familiar 0.7.2 |
| 23:34.57 | pb_ | it seems to be missing in 0.8.x for some weird reason |
| 23:36.11 | vtowel | pb_: thx - i'll see if I can find the binary in 0.7.2 |
| 23:36.23 | pb_ | it's in the xaux-clients package, iirc |
| 23:36.39 | jcole | familiar 0.8.3 is missing lots of stuff |
| 23:36.47 | pb_ | yeah, it seems |
| 23:36.56 | pb_ | even compared to 0.8.2, there are loads of packages missing in 0.8.3 |
| 23:36.58 | jcole | where's firefox? |
| 23:37.04 | pb_ | I don't know what's going on with that, but it can't be good |
| 23:37.34 | jcole | needs new management |
| 23:37.37 | jcole | :) |
| 23:37.38 | reenoo | fwiw, xev is in OE. should be a matter of building it only |
| 23:37.40 | pb_ | still, 0.8.3 isn't actually released yet, so maybe this is just a temporary problem |
| 23:37.54 | pb_ | reenoo: ah, cool |
| 23:37.55 | jcole | no firefox in 0.8.2 either |
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| 23:39.44 | jcole | i'm new to familiar... i've got an xscale processor in my pda... arm binaries can run on it right? |
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| 23:39.50 | pb_ | yeah |
| 23:40.22 | jcole | why didn't handhelds.org use the arch concept like debian does? |
| 23:40.40 | pb_ | I'm not sure what you mean by "the arch concept". |
| 23:40.44 | vtowel | wow, can handhelds actually handle running firefox? i didn't realize it was going to be part of familiar.. |
| 23:40.52 | vtowel | unless you're joking |
| 23:40.56 | pb_ | sure, I used to run firefox on my zaurus all the time |
| 23:41.13 | jcole | vtowel: it's there... looks like it's not maintained anymore |
| 23:41.33 | vtowel | i see. what's the deal with minimo? |
| 23:41.44 | jcole | http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.0/base/ |
| 23:42.19 | reenoo | heh |
| 23:42.28 | jcole | is familiat the only choice i have to run linux on my handheld? is there another distro that is maintained better? |
| 23:42.32 | reenoo | 0.8.0 is rather... ancient |
| 23:44.20 | jcole | what about debian? i've read that familiar shares alot with debian |
| 23:46.37 | pb_ | as far as I know, familiat is your only choice |
| 23:47.59 | jcole | why does debian provide arm compiled .deb packages then? |
| 23:48.16 | pb_ | to run on the arm machines that debian supports |
| 23:48.34 | pb_ | which list, iirc, does not include any handhelds |
| 23:50.55 | jcole | "The Debian GNU/Linux distribution for the ARM architecture. Runs on Acorns, Netwinders and ARM-based PDAs." |
| 23:51.08 | jcole | i don't have an acorn but i do have a pda |
| 23:51.39 | pb_ | well, feel free to give it a go |
| 23:52.30 | pb_ | dc_: evening |
| 23:53.13 | jcole | pb_: i'm guessing there's no debian installer, lol |
| 23:54.37 | dc_ | evennnning! |
| 23:55.02 | reenoo | 'night all |
| 23:55.09 | pb_ | reenoo: night night |
| 23:55.44 | mreimer | night pb_ |
| 23:56.38 | vtowel | so I got an xaux-clients ipkg from a few years ago; now how can I extract a file from it without having to install the whole thing? (won't let me install due to missing dependencies) |
| 23:56.56 | pb_ | you can probably install it with --force-depends |
| 23:57.10 | pb_ | otherwise, use ipkg-unbuild and/or dpkg-deb to extract the files you want |
| 23:57.11 | vtowel | i guess, just feels dirty |
| 23:57.15 | vtowel | ah |
| 23:57.18 | mreimer | uh, nite reenoo |
| 23:57.24 | pb_ | mreimer: too slow |
| 23:57.27 | pb_ | heh |
| 23:57.27 | mreimer | nm pb_, you're welcome to stick around :-) |
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| 23:57.39 | pb_ | mreimer: thanks :-) |
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