| 00:00.25 | florian | hmm, it will break on hx4700, 770 and some Zaurus models... i fear. |
| 00:00.32 | pb_ | oh dear |
| 00:00.50 | pb_ | that doesn't sound good, but on the other hand the Z and 770 aren't (currently) supported familiar platforms |
| 00:01.15 | pb_ | so, if we can get it right for the hx4700, we should be in good shape |
| 00:01.43 | florian | on the 770 e.g. there isn't enough screen space for xkbd in gpe-login because of the font sizes. |
| 00:02.32 | pb_ | ah, that isn't good |
| 00:02.32 | florian | We could apply a patch to reduce -dpi there. |
| 00:02.41 | pb_ | I guess the 770's aspect ratio doesn't help either |
| 00:02.56 | florian | not really.... |
| 00:03.06 | pb_ | it might be better just to turn down the font size, rather than fiddling with the dpi |
| 00:03.08 | florian | I should make a screenshot... |
| 00:03.33 | pb_ | does it fit on the zaurus in landscape mode? |
| 00:03.54 | florian | True... maybe its usable on it, it should default to portrait there. |
| 00:04.15 | florian | No idea... these are missign here. |
| 00:04.44 | pb_ | sounds like I should try to locate my zaurus and experiment with this stuff. |
| 00:04.57 | pb_ | does koen build familiar images for the Z still, or am I obliged to use openzaurus? |
| 00:05.55 | florian | OZ :-) |
| 00:06.26 | pb_ | righto |
| 00:09.07 | pb_ | I guess I'll try that tomorrow evening. |
| 00:09.15 | florian | Hrm... night ends in 7 hours and i still have two impotant things on my schedule for today :-/ |
| 00:09.27 | pb_ | unfortunately I have to go visit an unhappy customer in Cirencester tomorrow, which will probably take up almost the whole day |
| 00:10.15 | florian | Oh... "unhappy customer" sounds like this will be increased fun ;-) |
| 00:10.46 | pb_ | heh |
| 00:10.48 | pb_ | :-} |
| 00:14.18 | pb_ | good night |
| 00:14.24 | florian | pb_: good night |
| 00:26.15 | florian | good night |
| 00:56.20 | bedboi | hey i'm trying xournal |
| 00:56.24 | bedboi | it rocks |
| 01:42.10 | reenoo | 'night all |
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| 04:40.13 | Luke-Jr | Where do I report bugs for gpe-mini-browser? |
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| 05:56.32 | Philippe | Luke-Jr, you can always send them to me : philippedeswert-at-scarlet.be |
| 05:57.03 | Philippe | however most crashes ar related to the gtk-webcore back-end and I am unable to fix those generally |
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| 06:56.16 | hrhr | hi all |
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| 08:38.57 | bedboi | hi all |
| 08:44.18 | bedboi | i'm trying xournal |
| 08:44.23 | bedboi | is simply great |
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| 08:52.39 | XorA | morning |
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| 09:18.16 | florian_kc | good morning |
| 09:19.38 | XorA | morning florian_kc |
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| 09:43.09 | justalad | bedboi: is anywhere package with xournal suitable for familiar 0.8.3? |
| 09:47.11 | bedboi | nope |
| 10:06.44 | bedboi | how the screen rotator works in gpe? |
| 10:08.46 | florian_kc | bedboi: It calls xrandr. |
| 10:12.48 | bedboi | it doesn't work on normal xorg |
| 10:13.09 | bedboi | florian_kc: you should look at xournal |
| 10:13.13 | bedboi | ask google |
| 10:13.32 | florian_kc | If that server supports XRANDR extension and the requested orientation it should work. |
| 10:13.44 | bedboi | florian_kc: how to check |
| 10:13.47 | bedboi | ? |
| 10:15.16 | florian_kc | bedboi: iirc xrandr without parameters |
| 10:15.28 | florian_kc | bedboi: that looks interesting |
| 10:16.02 | florian_kc | bedboi: i'm just trying to speed up day rendering in gpe-calendar :-) |
| 10:16.39 | bedboi | we should use canvas for that |
| 10:16.41 | bedboi | imho |
| 10:23.17 | justalad | Using xrandr is more unixwaily, is'n it? |
| 10:24.08 | florian_kc | bedboi: well... maybe |
| 10:29.31 | XorA | bedboi: Ive found that after a while kdrive seems to start ignoring xrandr requests, Im not sure on period of that while though |
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| 12:08.14 | bedboi | xournal is really cool |
| 12:08.26 | bedboi | try to use the vertical space tool |
| 12:08.34 | bedboi | or the select rectangle |
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| 12:09.17 | florian_kc | I'll try as soon as i have a free minute... still bashing gpe-calendar. |
| 12:09.34 | bedboi | i really love it |
| 12:09.54 | bedboi | i'll use it when i'll take classes |
| 12:10.03 | bedboi | i hate to use chalk |
| 12:10.30 | florian_kc | *g* |
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| 12:12.09 | justalad | bedboi: what device are you using? |
| 12:12.47 | bedboi | justalad: a tablet pc (x41 thinkpad tablet) |
| 12:16.34 | XorA | bedboi: done a .bb for it yet? |
| 12:19.31 | justalad | florian_kc: how to change kernel on my "familiarised" iPAQ to the newest one? |
| 12:20.18 | florian_kc | justalad: depends on the bootloader... which model is this? |
| 12:20.20 | bedboi | XorA: nope |
| 12:20.52 | justalad | sdg-bootloader on hx4700 |
| 12:25.09 | JiniDog | Does anybody now want to dicuss my suggestion to use modular X for GPE on handhelds? |
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| 12:26.14 | florian_kc | JiniDog: hmm... any idea if we gain anything compared to kdrive? |
| 12:26.29 | JiniDog | yes, I tested it on uclibc gentoo |
| 12:26.35 | JiniDog | it used only 800kb of RAM |
| 12:26.52 | JiniDog | what is much better than kdrive, I think kdrive used around 3 MB or RAM |
| 12:27.07 | JiniDog | and X.org is still developed, what kdrive is not |
| 12:27.44 | florian_kc | JiniDog: Sounds pretty interesting... it might be worth a discussion on some mailinglist. |
| 12:28.03 | XorA | JiniDog: BTW how did you build Xorg? |
| 12:28.52 | JiniDog | what do you mean with how? |
| 12:28.55 | JiniDog | I used portage |
| 12:29.04 | JiniDog | and gcc-3.4.5 |
| 12:29.25 | XorA | JiniDog: ah, so not bitbake :-( |
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| 13:16.37 | rob_w | btw how do i trigger to blank the screen on Xfbdev .. fbset brings some blank paramters but they dont work ( or i use them wrong ) are there other places to blank the screen |
| 13:17.34 | rob_w | i meant xset brings such parameters |
| 13:19.13 | rob_w | all back .. got it now |
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| 14:15.07 | hrhr | hi all |
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| 14:34.40 | florian_kc | hi dc__ |
| 14:36.14 | dc__ | yo! |
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| 15:40.29 | hrhr | florian_kc: hi |
| 15:40.51 | florian_kc | hi hrhr |
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| 15:52.57 | hrhr | lolita?....gerl using gpe? |
| 15:54.27 | florian_kc | hi lolita__ |
| 15:54.51 | lolita__ | hi lolita__ |
| 15:55.01 | lolita__ | hrhr ... not at the moment but .. yes ... |
| 15:55.51 | hrhr | lolita: @}->-- |
| 15:56.15 | lolita__ | hrhr ... i think you are missunderstanding something if i understend gerl right as girl |
| 15:56.17 | lolita__ | ;) |
| 15:56.44 | lolita__ | but thanks for the flowers ;) |
| 15:56.56 | hrhr | yes))....sorry...my native language is Russian)) |
| 15:57.21 | lolita__ | doesn't matter my englisch is very bad too |
| 15:57.37 | florian_kc | lolita__: http://www.kernelconcepts.de/~fuchs/nokia770/experimental/gpe-calendar_0.67-2_arm.deb |
| 15:57.48 | lolita__ | woohoo |
| 15:58.20 | florian_kc | lolita__: many bugfixes, reduced flickering and a UI-guideline complient menu. |
| 15:58.26 | lolita__ | florian_kc ... i've to get more into syncing my calendar against my desktop .. currently i'm using my clie with palm os as calender ;) |
| 15:58.39 | lolita__ | ok ... i'll try that florian_kc |
| 15:59.04 | florian_kc | lolita__: thats on my shedule too... but it needs time.... |
| 16:01.56 | lolita__ | yesterday university started again .. after xmas break |
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| 16:02.31 | lolita__ | ... and one of my colleagues felt like the king of the world when he played doom on my bluetooth keyboard on the nokia 770 during class ;) |
| 16:07.55 | hrhr | lolita__: can you install any debian package to n770? |
| 16:09.43 | florian_kc | lolita__: heh |
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| 16:14.38 | lolita__ | hrhr ..? yes ... if they are arm and have only maemo as their dependency |
| 16:15.03 | lolita__ | florian_kc uh! |
| 16:15.08 | lolita__ | it just crashed ... |
| 16:15.12 | lolita__ | on creating a new event .. |
| 16:15.16 | lolita__ | will dig in this later ... |
| 16:15.34 | hrhr | lolita__: that i mean... |
| 16:23.09 | helgoman | hm, i have a little problem. i want to set up a gpe-environment with minimal- apps to work. i only want to have a terminal and keyboard on it. but wich packages do i have to install? i have a familiar- bootstrap- installation working at the moment. |
| 16:28.39 | florian_kc | lolita__: ah.... get libeventdb from the same location. |
| 16:30.30 | florian_kc | helgoman: matchbox, matchbox-desktop, xkbd... well... i'd suggest to let ipkg pull in the dependencies - just install what you want to use. |
| 16:34.10 | justalad | start rxvt and xkbd with fixed geometry and position -> matchbox not needed |
| 16:41.28 | lolita__ | florian_kc ok .. i'll try that |
| 16:48.11 | Luke-Jr | Philippe: ping |
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| 17:06.04 | megamax | hi! |
| 17:11.00 | florian_kc | hi megamax |
| 17:19.29 | helgoman | florian_kc: i have installed matchbox now. how do i start it? |
| 17:22.08 | florian_kc | helgoman: matchbox-session e.g. |
| 17:28.35 | helgoman | florian_kc: there is an error-message... matchbox-wm: can't open display! check your DISPLAY variable. |
| 17:29.03 | helgoman | do you know what to do now? |
| 17:29.32 | Philippe | hello people |
| 17:29.59 | Philippe | helgoman, if you have X running you should set the DISPLAY env variable (export DISPLAY=:0.0) |
| 17:30.20 | helgoman | Philippe: hi |
| 17:31.46 | florian_kc | indeed |
| 17:31.49 | florian_kc | hi Philippe |
| 17:31.58 | Philippe | hey florian_kc , helgoman |
| 17:32.11 | helgoman | Philippe: i have no X running at the moment. i installed familiar-bootstrap-image 0.8.2 and matchbox |
| 17:32.41 | Philippe | helgoman, well install X then :- |
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| 17:33.19 | Philippe | hey Luke-Jr |
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| 17:33.33 | Philippe | what is your gpe-mini-browser problem? |
| 17:33.57 | helgoman | Philippe: well, i just installed matchbox. is X not installed as a dependicy. what packages do i have to install? |
| 17:34.04 | megamax | mb-desktop-dotdesktop: failed to open /home/megamax/.applications --- what can I do? |
| 17:34.20 | Luke-Jr | Philippe: it doesn't work w/ IPv6 |
| 17:34.52 | Philippe | Aha, I believe that is a limitation of the curl stuff in the gtk-webcore back-end |
| 17:35.29 | Philippe | Luke-Jr, unfortunately I have no ipv6 stuff here to test it with (and I am actually to lazy to use it :-) |
| 17:36.46 | Luke-Jr | Philippe: 6to4 is easy to setup |
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| 17:37.05 | reenoo | evening |
| 17:37.15 | florian_kc | Philippe: yeah... i read your mail. good! |
| 17:37.17 | florian_kc | hi reenoo |
| 17:37.25 | reenoo | hey florian_kc |
| 17:37.30 | Philippe | Luke-Jr, hmm, curl should be supporting ipv6 so it probabely is a question of enabling it at compile time |
| 17:37.44 | Philippe | It might be disabled because of size reasons. I'll look into it |
| 17:37.55 | florian_kc | megamax: ignore that... its a stupid output, nothing fatal. |
| 17:40.10 | megamax | tnks... but, to what serves ".applications"? |
| 17:41.52 | florian_kc | megamax: additional desktop files for application startup (in addition to /usr/share/applications) |
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| 18:09.43 | *** topic/#gpe is The GPE Palmtop Environment - http://gpe.handhelds.org/ | GPE Wiki: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/GPEProject |familiar snapshots: http://familiar.handhelds.org/snapshots/ | Development Manual (in progress): http://www.kernelconcepts.de/~fuchs/gpe/doc/devmanual/ | Happy new year #gpe! |
| 18:09.54 | rob_w | pH5, check my message above ping |
| 18:10.17 | pH5 | rob_w: nice, there's a ${SOURCEFORGE_MIRROR} variable |
| 18:10.24 | Philippe | helgoman, hmm, I guess tslib-conf should be in the feed |
| 18:10.35 | rob_w | ah |
| 18:11.24 | pH5 | rob_w: what is needed for this to work - there is some kind of btsco sound module, right? |
| 18:11.56 | helgoman | yes, a ipkg list shows me the package but when i trie to install i get this message: Collected errors: |
| 18:11.56 | helgoman | Cannot find package tslib-conf. |
| 18:12.20 | helgoman | any idea? |
| 18:12.37 | Philippe | helgoman, check the feed location with a web-browser and if it is not there I hope koen has an idea where it could be |
| 18:14.00 | rob_w | pH5, there is a sco module yes |
| 18:14.35 | rob_w | so i think this sco module and that btsco should do the trick basicly .. will test that later today |
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| 18:16.49 | helgoman | Philippe: i searched for tslib-conf at http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.2/feed/x11/. but there is no package... hm, i have to ask koen,right? |
| 18:19.43 | Philippe | helgoman, I think so. I have no other clue where to look for it. Maybe someone else has an idea |
| 18:20.21 | rob_w | pH5, crap , they say it only works on alsa integrated kernels |
| 18:20.43 | pH5 | alsa integrated? |
| 18:20.48 | helgoman | Philippe: thanks |
| 18:22.10 | rob_w | quote : " .. a recent (2.6.11.7 or newer) kernel with *integrated* alsa enabled " |
| 18:22.17 | Philippe | helgoman, no prob. I wished I could be of more assistance |
| 18:22.50 | pH5 | rob_w: tell them to fix this! I'd love to play with this, too. |
| 18:24.10 | rob_w | yeah ,but you are right with your comments .. there is no "standard kernel with alsa " it will all come down to the native kernel + native also , righto !! |
| 18:24.10 | pH5 | rob_w: no, you got it wrong |
| 18:24.29 | rob_w | yeah no yeah no |
| 18:24.30 | pH5 | "integrated" means in-tree here, right? |
| 18:24.36 | rob_w | i think so |
| 18:24.49 | rob_w | i cant imagine of aynthing alse |
| 18:25.16 | rob_w | i am checking alsa-driver now |
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| 18:35.52 | rob_w | pH5, http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~jp/snd-bt-sco/ looks like the source for that module |
| 18:43.14 | rob_w | so we need to patch bluetooth/hci_usb and alsa-driver .. then it could work |
| 18:43.28 | pH5 | rob_w: looking at at http://bluetooth-alsa.sourceforge.net/, the kernel module is in btsco cvs |
| 18:44.07 | pH5 | rob_w: why hci_usb? I don't even have a device with usb host support. |
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| 18:51.12 | rob_w | drivers/bluetooth/hci_usb.c they say on the website .. i guess they "become a virtual usb " and use that stack |
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| 19:09.35 | _law_ | hi |
| 19:11.29 | rob_w | what script generates dropbear installation and keys .. |
| 19:11.38 | rob_w | on startup , i meant |
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| 19:21.07 | _law_ | rob_w i there is a gen_keys() function in init script |
| 19:26.31 | pb_ | evening all |
| 19:26.44 | helgoman | hi |
| 19:27.28 | _law_ | hi pb_ |
| 19:28.46 | pb_ | reenoo|afk: right, I installed your alsa package. is there a recommended test for me to perform? |
| 19:28.52 | pb_ | I guess I should uninstall the oss drivers too |
| 19:30.46 | pb_ | but, first, I should figure out how to make bluetooth work without so much manual hacking |
| 19:34.59 | Philippe | pff, okay new gpe-mini-browser and the gtk-webcore patch are in OE. I hope this fixes a whole lot of crashes... |
| 19:37.32 | danil | Philippe, in which one org.openembedded.dev or org.openembedded.oz354fam083 ? |
| 19:38.25 | Philippe | danil, org.openembedded.dev |
| 19:40.20 | pb_ | Philippe: excellent |
| 19:41.09 | Philippe | pb_, your problem should be fixed now :-) |
| 19:41.16 | pb_ | rock |
| 19:41.29 | pb_ | I'll test it out as soon as the updated package is in the feeds |
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| 19:42.30 | Philippe | pb_, anyway thank you for that webpage report. At least a gtk-webcore crash that was pretty clear so that I found a way to fix it. |
| 19:43.37 | pb_ | no problem. Thanks for fixing it so quickly! |
| 19:44.46 | Philippe | Well familiar 0.8.3 is close, we need to make a good impression :-) |
| 19:45.23 | pb_ | right :-) |
| 19:45.40 | pb_ | I was quite pleased overall with the state of 0.8.3, though there is certainly still some work that needs to be done |
| 19:46.00 | pb_ | I think it's about a 50/50 split between gpe things and distribution things. |
| 19:48.11 | Philippe | mhh, that reminds me I have to do a new gpe-timesheet release with florian's fixes |
| 19:48.39 | pb_ | sounds good |
| 19:48.48 | pb_ | I didn't try gpe-timesheet yet in 0.8.3 |
| 19:50.27 | Philippe | pb_, well there are some improvements and florian found and fixed a small time recording bug |
| 19:52.39 | pb_ | okay, ecellent |
| 19:52.42 | pb_ | excellent, also |
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| 20:07.07 | reenoo | pb_: trying to play your favourite mp3 or ogg should be sufficient |
| 20:07.56 | reenoo | pb_: and that sound works on first boot and across/after suspend/resume |
| 20:11.34 | pb_ | righto |
| 20:11.35 | pb_ | doesn't seem to be any way to reset the configuration password on my bluetooth ap |
| 20:11.41 | pb_ | I wonder what I can have set it to. |
| 20:12.17 | pb_ | oh well, I guess I can use my laptop as an ap for testing |
| 20:13.35 | reenoo | heh. "it's so secure, it... err... locked me out." I hate it when that happens :/ |
| 20:14.11 | pb_ | yeah, it sucks |
| 20:14.38 | pb_ | what sucks even more badly, though, is that something seems to be terribly wrong with the xserver on my h3900 now |
| 20:14.57 | pb_ | I just rebooted it, and now all I get is a blank white screen |
| 20:15.35 | pb_ | I guess I can gain access using the serial console though, so all is not (quite) lost |
| 20:15.50 | reenoo | oh dear :( |
| 20:17.29 | rob_w | matchbox-keyboard is great ! |
| 20:17.38 | rob_w | will it make it in the release ? |
| 20:18.55 | pb_ | ah, hm |
| 20:18.57 | reenoo | probably not by default unless it has been fixed to work on all devices recently |
| 20:19.12 | pb_ | I don't think the xserver is to blame, it looks like something is clobbering the lcd controller enable signal |
| 20:19.41 | pb_ | and, although I don't really have any basis for this, I kind of suspect that the "something" is the alsa modules |
| 20:20.02 | reenoo | heh |
| 20:20.52 | rob_w | it defninitly has features , like cursor movement and optics , misses movement:_up enables shift+ and autorepeat |
| 20:21.36 | pb_ | yeah, that seems to have "fixed" the screen problem |
| 20:21.58 | reenoo | pb_: ! oh well :/ |
| 20:22.01 | pb_ | and, sure enough, if I "modprobe snd-pxa-uda1380", my screen falls apart again |
| 20:22.08 | rob_w | and matchbox-keyboard is smaller in size , hurray ! |
| 20:22.12 | pb_ | so, suck. |
| 20:22.14 | pb_ | -( |
| 20:22.17 | pb_ | :-(, also |
| 20:22.52 | reenoo | rob_w: it does have some nice features, but the glyphs it draws weren't readable at all on h3600 last time I checked |
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| 20:26.29 | reenoo | s/h3600/h3800 |
| 20:28.38 | rob_w | reenoo, yeah i imagine the special keys with all those caption strings arent too good on any small device |
| 20:32.27 | pb_ | grr, no strace in the 0.8.3 feeds |
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| 20:35.51 | pb_ | ah, florian was right, matchbox-panel does have a bit of a bad polling habit. |
| 20:36.39 | reenoo | ~lart polling |
| 20:36.53 | pb_ | quite |
| 20:37.12 | pb_ | select(5, [4], NULL, NULL, {0, 500}) = 0 (Timeout) |
| 20:37.12 | pb_ | ioctl(4, FIONREAD, [0]) = 0 |
| 20:37.12 | pb_ | etc |
| 20:37.58 | pb_ | fd 4 seems to be a socket, presumably its connection to the xserver. |
| 20:44.38 | rob_w | so bluez-sco is already integrated into alsa , but it breaks to heavily for me .. |
| 20:45.14 | pb_ | seems to be a common problem with alsa |
| 20:45.31 | pb_ | :-} |
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| 21:21.47 | florian | re |
| 21:24.33 | Philippe | wb florian |
| 21:25.39 | _law_|iBook | n8 all |
| 21:26.13 | Philippe | night _law_|iBook |
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| 21:35.23 | pb_ | florian: good evening |
| 21:35.46 | pb_ | florian: you were correct about matchbox-panel's polling tendencies. I checked with strace on my ipaq with 0.8.3. |
| 21:35.51 | pb_ | er, 0.8.3-rc1 |
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| 21:38.04 | florian | pb_: oh... so its still true. |
| 21:38.23 | pb_ | florian: it seems. I have no idea what it's doing that for, though. |
| 21:40.18 | florian | pb_: I wonder if i tried to fond out the time i noticed this... |
| 21:40.31 | florian | eh find... |
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| 21:42.26 | florian | Sometimes i really wonder what Nokia people thought coding GTK modifications for Hildon. |
| 21:44.12 | rob_w | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20060108 is a really nice one for it hotlines and such |
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| 21:47.26 | mimecar | evening |
| 21:48.12 | florian | hi mimecar |
| 21:48.23 | mimecar | hey florian |
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| 21:56.18 | pb_ | florian: seems to be some timeout thing. I guess it would be easy enough to fix. |
| 21:58.19 | florian | pb_: hmm... by replacin it with a gtk based solution? ;-) |
| 21:58.54 | pb_ | heh |
| 21:59.07 | pb_ | well, that would certainly be one option, but I think there are less drastic possibilities too |
| 21:59.14 | florian | :-) |
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| 22:05.56 | pb_ | florian: one other unfortunate discovery is that reenoo's alsa-modules somehow break the h3900 video system. |
| 22:06.58 | reenoo | heh |
| 22:07.18 | pb_ | actually, I think I see why |
| 22:07.18 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.18 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.18 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.18 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.18 | pb_ | that can't be good |
| 22:07.57 | florian | pb_: oops |
| 22:08.24 | pb_ | oh, actually, no, that's probably okay |
| 22:08.38 | pb_ | I guess the 2.6 stuff has rotted my brain |
| 22:08.46 | florian | heh |
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| 22:12.33 | pb_ | doh, no devmem2 in the 0.8.3 feeds |
| 22:12.46 | pb_ | I begin to see a pattern emerging here |
| 22:20.24 | Philippe | night all |
| 22:20.52 | florian | heh |
| 22:20.56 | florian | Philippe: good night |
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| 22:22.56 | bedboi | hi there |
| 22:23.02 | florian | hi bedboi |
| 22:23.29 | bedboi | i just miss screen rotation |
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| 22:26.01 | pb_ | reenoo: oh crumbs, what compiler did you use for those modules? |
| 22:26.36 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.36 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.36 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.52 | pb_ | that sort of thing is certainly not good news |
| 22:28.15 | florian | thats too much for me... |
| 22:28.26 | florian | bedboi: :-) |
| 22:30.51 | reenoo | pb_: gcc-cross-kernel-3.3.3 |
| 22:31.00 | pb_ | okay |
| 22:31.05 | pb_ | do you still have the logfiles from the build? |
| 22:31.16 | pb_ | it'd be interesting to see log.do_configure and log.do_compile |
| 22:31.20 | reenoo | sure |
| 22:31.25 | reenoo | uploading now |
| 22:31.32 | pb_ | thanks |
| 22:31.49 | pb_ | I think the problem is that you've lost -march=armv4 from your CFLAGS |
| 22:31.59 | pb_ | (or, possibly, never had it there in the first place; I don't remember) |
| 22:33.46 | reenoo | http://handhelds.org/~rw/alsa-logs/ |
| 22:33.50 | pb_ | ah, hm, I see |
| 22:34.05 | pb_ | tune-strongarm.conf puts -march in ${CC}, but module-base.bbclass takes it out again. |
| 22:34.46 | pb_ | I think that's probably a bug in module-base.bbclass. |
| 22:35.01 | reenoo | -march=armv4 appears to be missing indeed |
| 22:35.19 | pb_ | if you don't have that flag, all kinds of bad stuff will happen |
| 22:35.44 | pb_ | in particular, any write to asic3's gpio registers will go horrifically wrong |
| 22:36.02 | reenoo | that would explain a few things |
| 22:37.13 | reenoo | can you think of any particular reason why module-base.bbclass would do that? |
| 22:37.14 | mreimer | pb_: could that be why h5400 was having the samcop register read problem? |
| 22:37.23 | pb_ | reenoo: no, I think it's just an oversight. |
| 22:37.28 | pb_ | bitbake.conf does: |
| 22:37.30 | pb_ | export CC = "${CCACHE}${HOST_PREFIX}gcc ${HOST_CC_ARCH}" |
| 22:37.41 | pb_ | and module.bbclass has something very similar, but without the HOST_CC_ARCH bit |
| 22:38.16 | pb_ | mreimer: I don't think so. The kernel's own makefiles always use -march=armv4; this bug only affects out-of-tree modules. |
| 22:38.25 | reenoo | pb_: right. I'll add that and rebuild the package. |
| 22:38.25 | mreimer | ah |
| 22:38.32 | pb_ | reenoo: thanks |
| 22:38.41 | reenoo | pb_: thank you for spotting this :) |
| 22:39.33 | pb_ | mreimer: actually, in 2.6 it wouldn't even affect out-of-tree modules |
| 22:39.46 | pb_ | since the kernel build stuff gets used in that case as well. |
| 22:39.55 | mreimer | oh yeah |
| 22:41.13 | pb_ | I'll copy an ogg to my ipaq in preparation for testing the next version |
| 22:42.08 | rob_w | reenoo, can you try with-cards=bluez-sco and ensure that it trys to build that ? |
| 22:42.11 | pb_ | grr, stupid gpe-bluetooth gives an error if you click "Devices" too soon after enabling the radio |
| 22:43.29 | reenoo | hrm |
| 22:43.40 | reenoo | CC=ccache arm-linux-gcc-3.3.3 -march=armv5te |
| 22:44.11 | pb_ | oh, that's interesting |
| 22:44.23 | pb_ | -march=armv5te should be fine |
| 22:45.49 | rob_w | is there a list of armv5`s and armvX`s ? |
| 22:46.07 | pb_ | dunno, maybe on arm.com somewhere |
| 22:46.07 | reenoo | pb_: hmm. maybe I'm mixing something up here. but I think it should be armv5te in the .dev branch only. |
| 22:46.27 | pb_ | reenoo: where does the armv5te come from? |
| 22:47.07 | reenoo | ${HOST_CC_ARCH} |
| 22:47.38 | pb_ | odd. I wonder how that is getting set to armv5te. |
| 22:47.47 | pb_ | maybe some joker has selected tune-xscale for h3900 or something |
| 22:48.39 | reenoo | yeah. koen did that. but I was of the opinion he had done that in .dev only |
| 22:48.59 | pb_ | ah |
| 22:49.07 | pb_ | do you know why he did that? I don't think it was a good idea. |
| 22:49.54 | reenoo | +#use tune xscale for extra performance. Distro feeds be built with tune-strongarm |
| 22:49.54 | reenoo | +include conf/machine/tune-xscale.conf |
| 22:49.54 | reenoo | -# not using tune-xscale so as to retain backwards compatibility |
| 22:49.54 | reenoo | -include conf/machine/tune-strongarm.conf |
| 22:50.49 | pb_ | oh well |
| 22:51.49 | rob_w | hehe local german tv resends the moon landing from 69 |
| 22:52.38 | reenoo | heh |
| 22:52.42 | reenoo | ~lart koen|away |
| 22:52.52 | reenoo | mega oz254fam083 branch update: |
| 22:52.52 | reenoo | * add gpe-bluetooth 0.47, gpe-calendar 0.66, libeventdb 0.17, libmimedir 0.3.1 |
| 22:52.52 | reenoo | * update preferred-gpe-versions-2.7 to match the above |
| 22:52.52 | reenoo | * make h3900.conf use xscale optimizations |
| 22:52.52 | reenoo | * fix PV in libmimedir_cvs |
| 22:52.53 | reenoo | * downsize gpe-task-connectivity by removing gaim |
| 22:53.02 | pb_ | doh |
| 22:53.28 | reenoo | that explains it of course |
| 22:54.14 | pb_ | well, it doesn't actually explain the original bug. -march=armv5te is a superset of -march=armv4, and should yield a working alsa module. |
| 22:54.37 | reenoo | no, this was after I modified module-base.bbclass |
| 22:54.56 | pb_ | oh, right, sorry |
| 22:55.08 | reenoo | just thought configuration data from .dev was somehow leaking into my oz354fam083 builds again |
| 22:55.30 | pb_ | right, yep, I see. it does indeed explain that bit of the mystery |
| 22:56.51 | reenoo | I'll upload the package now |
| 22:58.29 | pb_ | cool |
| 22:59.06 | reenoo | http://handhelds.org/~rw/familiar0.8_unofficial/alsa-driver-2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh39_0.9.6-hh4c-r6_h3900.ipk |
| 22:59.10 | pb_ | thanks |
| 22:59.52 | rob_w | reenoo, have a try --with-cards=bluez-sco and also check if ti builds for you . please |
| 23:01.37 | pb_ | okay, better |
| 23:01.43 | pb_ | rebooted and my screen still works :-) |
| 23:01.53 | reenoo | very good |
| 23:02.17 | reenoo | rob_w: it's already enabled |
| 23:02.32 | pb_ | regrettably, I just discovered that there is no music player in the 0.8.3-rc1 image |
| 23:02.40 | pb_ | not even a commandline one, apparently |
| 23:03.08 | rob_w | reenoo, check that it actually build it ,, i had to add the bluez-snd module by hand in Makefile.conf |
| 23:03.29 | rob_w | pb_, yeah get them to fix THAT ! |
| 23:06.12 | rob_w | oh mallume was around ?? |
| 23:06.17 | pb_ | anybody have a suggestion where I could find one? |
| 23:06.33 | mreimer | pb_: I just use madplay |
| 23:06.37 | reenoo | pb_: 0.8.2 feeds I would think |
| 23:06.39 | mreimer | pb_: it's light |
| 23:06.48 | pb_ | mreimer: yeah, I was hoping for something that can do oggs |
| 23:07.12 | pb_ | just because oggs are what I happen to have on hand here. I guess I could track down some mp3s and use madplay. |
| 23:07.51 | reenoo | pb_: sadly, I guess the only thing that does oggs at the moment is gst-launch :( |
| 23:08.09 | mreimer | mplayer -ao ivorbis or some such might work too :-) |
| 23:08.26 | pb_ | reenoo: doh, that sucks |
| 23:08.34 | reenoo | mreimer: heh |
| 23:08.38 | mreimer | .dev had gpe-amp |
| 23:08.50 | pb_ | is gpe-amp any good? I've never tried it |
| 23:09.09 | mreimer | it had promise, still rough edges |
| 23:09.20 | pb_ | don't seem to be any binaries for it in 0.8.2 or 0.8.3 |
| 23:09.21 | rob_w | how about vlc ? |
| 23:09.48 | reenoo | mreimer: I don't think it works with the ivorbis plugin, does it? |
| 23:09.57 | mreimer | reenoo: I don't know |
| 23:10.31 | reenoo | pb_: actually I believe florian fixed nmf to work with ivorbis again |
| 23:10.40 | pb_ | awesome |
| 23:10.43 | pb_ | all hail florian! |
| 23:11.20 | pb_ | I'll use gst-launch for the time being |
| 23:14.52 | rob_w | pb_, is that feed url http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.8.2/feed/world/ for 0.8.2 ? |
| 23:15.18 | pb_ | yeah |
| 23:15.24 | rob_w | there i miss gst-launch there |
| 23:18.14 | rob_w | heehe astronauts where using 2.2 ghz radio tp earth .. that is in the gsm area , right ? |
| 23:21.40 | pb_ | no, gsm is 900, 1800 and 1900MHz |
| 23:22.11 | rob_w | ah but almost to 1.9 |
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| 23:22.56 | pb_ | drat, now I get "Could not decode stream" |
| 23:23.48 | pb_ | I'll try on my laptop first |
| 23:24.00 | reenoo | filesrc ! decodebin ! esdsink maybe? |
| 23:24.01 | pb_ | I was using filesrc ! tremor ! osssink |
| 23:24.49 | reenoo | hmm. I'm moderately sure that was failing on me |
| 23:25.48 | reenoo | of course my ipaq's doing its flat battery thing again |
| 23:26.27 | pb_ | ah, no tremor on my laptop |
| 23:26.32 | pb_ | the equivalent with spider yields: |
| 23:26.33 | pb_ | ERROR: from element /pipeline0/spider0/vorbisdec0: Internal GStreamer error: pad problem. File a bug. |
| 23:26.39 | pb_ | which isn't entirely encouraging |
| 23:26.58 | reenoo | yah, spider is somewhat deprecated |
| 23:27.03 | reenoo | read: broken |
| 23:27.24 | pb_ | do you remember how to make a pipeline with decodebin? |
| 23:27.37 | reenoo | <reenoo> filesrc ! decodebin ! esdsink maybe? |
| 23:27.45 | pb_ | filesrc ! decodebin ! osssink doesn't give an errors, but doesn't do anything either |
| 23:27.50 | pb_ | it just sits there for about a second and then terminates |
| 23:27.57 | reenoo | odd |
| 23:28.18 | pb_ | well, that was my laptop. I'll try the ipaq |
| 23:29.25 | pb_ | now it says "Could not determine type of stream" |
| 23:29.25 | pb_ | drat |
| 23:29.33 | pb_ | maybe I lack some other plugin it needs |
| 23:31.18 | pH5 | good night |
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| 23:33.04 | pb_ | hm |
| 23:33.07 | pb_ | better, but still no actual audio |
| 23:33.30 | reenoo | can't get it to work either now :( |
| 23:35.00 | pb_ | well, as far as I can tell gst-launch is doing all the right stuff now |
| 23:35.21 | reenoo | pb_: does the missing -march explain the issues on h3800 as well btw? |
| 23:35.37 | pb_ | with the loading order? I don't think so, though it's possible. |
| 23:36.09 | reenoo | ok. thanks |
| 23:37.50 | pb_ | I just tried gpe-announce but didn't get any sound out of it either |
| 23:38.26 | pb_ | so, I guess something is still not right with the driver, or maybe just with my mixer settings. |
| 23:38.37 | rob_w | night |
| 23:38.47 | reenoo | "gst-launch file://foo.ogg ! decodebin ! esdsink" works for me now |
| 23:39.03 | reenoo | osssink just sits there |
| 23:39.28 | pb_ | ah, maybe your esd is locking /dev/dsp |
| 23:40.10 | reenoo | no, it wasn't running |
| 23:40.15 | pb_ | ah, odd |
| 23:40.18 | pb_ | let me try esdsink then |
| 23:40.20 | reenoo | indeed |
| 23:42.26 | pb_ | no, I lose |
| 23:42.28 | pb_ | ERROR: from element /pipeline0/esdsink0: Could not open resource for writing. |
| 23:42.28 | pb_ | Additional debug info: |
| 23:42.28 | pb_ | esdsink.c(450): gst_esdsink_open_audio: /pipeline0/esdsink0: |
| 23:42.28 | pb_ | can't open connection to esound server |
| 23:42.28 | pb_ | ERROR: from element /pipeline0/esdsink0: Internal GStreamer error: state change failed. File a bug. |
| 23:42.53 | reenoo | heh. oh well |
| 23:42.57 | megamax | bye |
| 23:43.00 | pb_ | yeah |
| 23:43.24 | reenoo | so, esd just silently crashed? |
| 23:43.31 | pb_ | I guess you should check in the -march thing anyway. |
| 23:43.57 | pb_ | ah, wait, no. I was running esd in the wrong window |
| 23:44.13 | pb_ | with esd actually running on the ipaq (ahem) it behaves the same as osssink |
| 23:44.25 | reenoo | sure. I just don't think I can push it to the release branch |
| 23:44.42 | pb_ | i.e. it sits there and seems to be doing stuff, but no sound comes out of the speaker |
| 23:44.54 | reenoo | and .dev is rather broken now that RP is redefining DEPENDS/RDEPENDS |
| 23:45.07 | pb_ | I do get a huge amount of debug spew in dmesg though |
| 23:45.08 | pb_ | audio_dma_irq: period done |
| 23:45.08 | pb_ | audio_process_dma |
| 23:45.08 | pb_ | audio_dma_fil_buff next_period 11 cur_dma_buf 1 dma_size 2048 |
| 23:45.08 | pb_ | audio_dma_fil_buff descriptor at c39b4cf0 has ddadr a39b4ce0 dsadr a3565800 dtadr 40400080 dcmd 9023c800 |
| 23:45.15 | pb_ | oh, yeah, right, so he is |
| 23:45.49 | pb_ | who has access to the release branch; just mickey and koen? |
| 23:46.42 | reenoo | dunno. mickey, koen, hrw, and mreimer have pushed stuff there. so, maybe everyone. |
| 23:47.09 | mreimer | I have pushed stuff to oz352fam083, but I got in trouble for it |
| 23:47.19 | CoreDump|home | =) |
| 23:48.26 | florian | re |
| 23:48.35 | pb_ | mreimer: heh |
| 23:49.55 | florian | reenoo: well... i did some changes to make it work in theory, but it seems to fail on arm. |
| 23:50.12 | CoreDump|home | is SDL compiling for X11 in the release branch? |
| 23:50.26 | reenoo | florian: oh dear |
| 23:50.43 | reenoo | CoreDump|home: try and see? |
| 23:51.17 | florian | reenoo: but maybe the latest gstreamer release might contain some fixes. |
| 23:51.21 | CoreDump|home | i tried with opie, where it fails. trying with GPE would take a few hours ATM |
| 23:52.36 | reenoo | florian: 0.10.x? |
| 23:52.58 | florian | CoreDump|home: i'm not sure, but i don't know about a problem with that. |
| 23:53.09 | florian | reenoo: yes... i hope so. |
| 23:53.37 | CoreDump|home | florian: thanks |
| 23:53.41 | *** join/#gpe Luke-Jr (n=luke-jr@user-0c938qu.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 23:53.54 | reenoo | florian: would be cool. except you'd have to port stuff to the 0.10 API >:) |
| 23:54.56 | reenoo | florian: fwiw, I believe the fluendo guys have been working on putting ivorbis back to live with 0.10 for use on the n770 |
| 23:55.52 | florian | reenoo: uh that would be cool |
| 23:58.50 | pb_ | night night |
| 23:59.07 | reenoo|afk | 'night pb_ |
| 23:59.15 | reenoo|afk | good call actually |
| 23:59.27 | florian | pb_: good night |
| 23:59.35 | reenoo|afk | 'night all |
| 23:59.39 | florian | indeed... good night |