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| 04:56.27 | Luke-Jr | How can I change application font size for GPE? |
| 04:56.40 | Luke-Jr | Look n' Feel config is broken ATM |
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| 08:52.59 | XorA | morning |
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| 09:56.17 | hrhr | hi all |
| 09:57.20 | hrhr | what packege in gpe provide gpe-recorder? |
| 10:08.40 | pb__ | dunno. I don't think I've even heard of gpe-recorder. |
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| 10:11.21 | hrhr | pb__: may be i'm say erong....program which record sound when i press record button |
| 10:11.28 | hrhr | *wrong |
| 10:13.44 | pb__ | oh, right. gpe-soundbite |
| 10:14.10 | hrhr | thx... |
| 10:14.12 | hrhr | ) |
| 10:15.45 | hrhr | pb__: can i use kernel from www.linux.org with some patch for my hx4700 instead downloading cvs from hh? |
| 10:16.32 | pb__ | I'm not sure. I suspect probably not, but the folks on the hx4700-port list would know. |
| 10:18.05 | Daniel_DP | Hi all! I am about to bitbake gpe-image with oe but get an error on the gettext-native package: /bin/sh ../lib/csharpcomp.sh -O -g -o GNU.Gettext.dll /home/DP/dev/oe/tmp/work/i686-linux/gettext-native-0.14.1-r3/gettext-0.14.1/gettext-runtime/intl-csharp/intl.cs |
| 10:18.05 | Daniel_DP | | mscorlib: No such library |
| 10:18.05 | Daniel_DP | is this libary missing by the package or is it missing by my system |
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| 11:13.48 | rob_w | is there a way to teach matchbox about 8bit colours ? |
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| 12:41.52 | florian_kc | good morning |
| 12:43.22 | shiyee | morn florian_kc |
| 12:46.23 | hrhr | florian_kc: hi |
| 12:50.32 | justalad | Hi, all! |
| 12:51.29 | florian_kc | hi justalad |
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| 12:52.48 | justalad | Try to start any GPE program like env LANG=ru_RU.UTF-8 gpe-calendar and get 'locale not supported by C library' error |
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| 12:53.53 | florian_kc | justalad: On which device is this? |
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| 12:54.05 | rob_w | where does Xfbdev export the DISPLAY .. my hand startet system here crashes on gpe-login as it doesnt know the display althouth i did export it |
| 12:54.06 | justalad | hx4700 |
| 12:55.22 | justalad | as I know, there was localedef bug in OE |
| 12:55.40 | florian_kc | rob_w: that should be :0 |
| 12:55.46 | hrhr | justalad:...private me |
| 12:56.23 | florian_kc | justalad: yes right, hrhr made it work finally... but that's defintely caused by that localegen bug. |
| 12:56.27 | rob_w | yeah and i did export DISPLAY=":0" but yet it fails , also gpe-login doesnt react on -d :0 |
| 13:02.33 | florian_kc | very strange... |
| 13:03.12 | rob_w | crap -- |
| 13:03.22 | rob_w | again me .. DISPALY was not set |
| 13:13.25 | rob_w | q |
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| 14:10.39 | pb__ | florian_kc: good morning! |
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| 14:20.55 | florian_kc | hey pb_ |
| 14:20.59 | florian_kc | eh pb__ |
| 14:21.40 | pb__ | heh |
| 14:28.40 | pb__ | hm, still no sign of my stupid h3900. I wonder where it can be. |
| 14:28.52 | florian_kc | oops |
| 14:44.07 | florian_kc | pb_: I just found out that the size of the time column in gpe-calendar is too small on the 770. |
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| 14:54.27 | pb__ | florian_kc: are you using today's code? |
| 14:54.36 | pb__ | I checked in a patch to increase the width either yesterday or the day before. |
| 14:55.46 | florian_kc | pb__: yes, i updated from cvs today... |
| 14:55.57 | pb__ | okay |
| 14:55.59 | pb__ | I guess my patch sucks |
| 14:56.41 | justalad | Search looks not working in GPE Contacts in ru_RU.UTF-8 locale |
| 14:57.11 | florian_kc | pb__: Oh don't say things like this until someone yerified Maemo isn't guilty ;-) |
| 14:57.50 | florian_kc | justalad: oh, that sucks... please file a bug against it and if possible provide some test data. |
| 14:58.12 | florian_kc | justalad: maybe assign that bug to me (florian.boor@kernelconcepts.de) |
| 14:58.26 | justalad | I'll try |
| 15:05.23 | florian_kc | pb_: The calculated width is 34 pixels which is about half the size which would be necessary. |
| 15:05.43 | pb__ | hm, that's not good |
| 15:05.45 | pb__ | oh! |
| 15:05.54 | florian_kc | pb__: But your code looks good and it looks perfect on my PC. |
| 15:05.59 | pb__ | embarassingly, it was sitting in plain sight in the cradle on my desk |
| 15:06.06 | pb__ | I wonder why I didn't think to look there before |
| 15:06.07 | florian_kc | heh |
| 15:06.37 | pb__ | I guess I was so used to seeing it there that my brain kind of tuned it out. |
| 15:06.51 | pb__ | florian_kc: yeah, it works fine on my PC as well |
| 15:07.14 | pb__ | the old code was definitely not right: it used an (effectively) fixed size, irrespective of the font |
| 15:07.19 | XorA | pb__: you obviously assume you would leave it in a pile of mess somewhere, like most engineers/scientists |
| 15:08.11 | florian_kc | pb__: yes right... thats really an improvement. |
| 15:09.21 | pb__ | XorA: yah, pretty much |
| 15:13.43 | justalad | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:56.00 | hrhr | how i can map hardware keys without keylaunch |
| 15:56.01 | hrhr | ? |
| 15:59.04 | florian_kc | hrhr: matchbox can do that too |
| 16:00.24 | hrhr | florian_kc: where i can map? |
| 16:00.30 | hrhr | conf files? |
| 16:00.33 | justalad | hrhr: xmodmap + matchbox |
| 16:01.55 | florian_kc | hrhr: yes right, there is some documentation about this on the matchbox website. |
| 16:02.52 | bedboi | yey i received my new x41 tablet |
| 16:03.00 | hrhr | have you a link? =[ |
| 16:03.44 | florian_kc | bedboi: nice |
| 16:04.20 | justalad | http://projects.o-hand.com/matchbox/documentation/manual/wm.html#wmkeys |
| 16:05.52 | justalad | [go to home] |
| 16:07.06 | hrhr | thx |
| 16:15.31 | hrhr | how i can define power button? |
| 16:15.57 | hrhr | matchbox recognize only standart buttons as I understand... |
| 16:22.29 | hrhr | florian_kc: have you any info about xmodmap and how i can use it for mappin keys withoutkeylaunch? |
| 16:24.46 | florian_kc | hrhr: not really.... |
| 16:27.12 | hrhr | =/ ok.... |
| 16:28.07 | hrhr | florian_kc: keylaunch have a big problem...it launch gpe-soundbite when i press some russian letters |
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| 16:43.21 | pb__ | evening dc__ |
| 16:43.50 | dc__ | hey |
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| 17:54.50 | Luke-Jr | gpe-conf has issues -.- |
| 17:56.09 | florian_kc | Luke-Jr: File bugs! |
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| 18:00.26 | florian_kc | hi jsmanrique |
| 18:00.39 | jsmanrique | hi |
| 18:00.55 | pb__ | hi jsmanrique |
| 18:02.45 | Luke-Jr | florian_kc: but they're OBVIOUS |
| 18:03.03 | Luke-Jr | florian_kc: in particular, the one annoying me most is that Look n' Feel doesn't apply settings at all |
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| 18:03.23 | florian_kc | Luke-Jr: worksforme |
| 18:03.25 | megamax | hi |
| 18:03.30 | florian_kc | hi megamax |
| 18:03.39 | jsmanrique | a long time without visiting #gpe :) |
| 18:03.47 | florian_kc | jsmanrique: indeed |
| 18:03.55 | jsmanrique | have you seen DejaPIM ? :/ |
| 18:04.09 | florian_kc | Luke-Jr: Which image do you use on which device? |
| 18:04.12 | Luke-Jr | florian_kc: doesn't work at all for me |
| 18:04.14 | Luke-Jr | florian_kc: gpe-image |
| 18:04.24 | Luke-Jr | florian_kc: on Zaurus SL-C760 |
| 18:04.59 | pb__ | florian_kc: by the way, what's the state of the art in building gpe-images for n770? |
| 18:05.10 | florian_kc | jsmanrique: Yes... i installed it and it didn't really work. All in all pretty useless and a shame for a commercial product. |
| 18:05.37 | florian_kc | Luke-Jr: Which gpe-image? OZ? Which version? |
| 18:05.45 | jsmanrique | florian_kc: but at least, it comes in a single package |
| 18:05.54 | Luke-Jr | florian_kc: openzaurus-unstable in org.oe.dev |
| 18:06.06 | Luke-Jr | florian_kc: gpe-conf_0.1.27.bb |
| 18:06.12 | jsmanrique | florian_kc: any idea when an apt tool will be ready for maemo? (off-topic) |
| 18:07.42 | florian_kc | pb__: We still lack some device control, sound ans obviously we drain more power. We'd need to have some device state management in GPE to support dynticks properly. |
| 18:08.14 | florian_kc | jsmanrique: you can do this with gpe pim too, but it wastes space and flexibility. |
| 18:09.29 | florian_kc | Luke-Jr: That must be some OZ related issue, maybe xst is missing - i have latest Familiar RC1 on an iPAQ which should have more or less the same packages and it works without any trouble. |
| 18:09.49 | florian_kc | Who maintains OZ btw.? |
| 18:10.13 | florian_kc | jsmanrique: no idea... |
| 18:11.40 | jsmanrique | florian_kc: I am agree that gpe pim is more complete |
| 18:12.06 | jsmanrique | florian_kc: who was doing a home applet for maemo to show gpe-summary? |
| 18:12.22 | florian_kc | jsmanrique: bedboi |
| 18:13.32 | jsmanrique | florian_kc: aha |
| 18:13.39 | jsmanrique | bedboi: what do you need? :) |
| 18:19.01 | bedboi | what? |
| 18:20.10 | pb__ | florian_kc: ah, hm, right. I thought dynticks was basically a kernel-only thing. |
| 18:21.30 | pb__ | florian_kc: I think mickeyl maintains oz. |
| 18:22.20 | florian_kc | pb__: yes right, but applications which take cpu cycles take power in this case... the device never really suspends. |
| 18:23.49 | pb__ | ah right |
| 18:24.01 | pb__ | yeah; devices which take cpu cycles will waste a lot of power even without dyntick |
| 18:24.17 | pb__ | do you know which applications are guilty of that? |
| 18:24.23 | pb__ | er, s/devices/applications/ |
| 18:26.54 | florian_kc | pb__: Yeah... but if your device runs all the time it really hurts you. |
| 18:27.47 | florian_kc | pb__: Some very basic idea... the clock e.g. does frequent updates, but iirc matchbox-panel takes some cpu ideling too. |
| 18:28.01 | florian_kc | I'd need to check again. |
| 18:28.15 | Luke-Jr | florian_kc: xst is there-- note that gpe-conf even forgets the changes when I restart it |
| 18:29.18 | florian_kc | I did some changes to gpe-clock to improve this situation, but never managed to check if this improved this. |
| 18:29.35 | pb__ | florian_kc: okay. I thought matchbox-panel was fixed, but if it is still doing that we should send some hate-mail to mallum. |
| 18:29.50 | pb__ | as for the clock, yeah, it should only be waking up once per minute. |
| 18:29.56 | florian_kc | Luke-Jr: thats nasty... is gpe-confd running? What does "xst read" return? |
| 18:30.26 | pb__ | florian_kc: I'll take one of my ipaqs home this evening and flash it with an image so that I can test some of these things. |
| 18:30.37 | pb__ | it's about time I tested some recent version of familiar anyway :-} |
| 18:31.08 | florian_kc | pb__: well.. i must admit that this information is not really up to date. |
| 18:31.15 | florian_kc | pb__: thats a good idea :-) |
| 18:31.29 | pb__ | maybe I should try flashing my 770 too, for laughs |
| 18:31.34 | pb__ | can I put maemo back on it afterwards if I want to? |
| 18:34.21 | florian_kc | pb__: yes, you can get a fresh (and updated!) image from maemo.org if you enter your wireless mac to some form. if you still have the original image on it its a good idea anyway. |
| 18:34.32 | pb__ | yeah, I still have the original image on there |
| 18:34.41 | pb__ | to be honest, I haven't even touched the 770 since the day it arrived |
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| 18:37.54 | florian_kc | pb__: tsts |
| 18:38.48 | pb__ | florian_kc: yah, I suck |
| 18:39.06 | florian_kc | Ah here... that link is missing from the download section: http://maemo.org/downloads/nokia_770 |
| 18:39.35 | florian_kc | But i think i have some improvement for the flickering calendar. |
| 18:40.06 | florian_kc | ...and two nasty hacks to improve the situation on the 770. |
| 18:41.39 | pb__ | awesome |
| 18:45.01 | pb__ | gosh, I could install an image on my hx4700 too. that'd be pretty exciting. |
| 18:45.19 | pb__ | I'm not sure I've ever even switched that one on. |
| 18:47.21 | Luke-Jr | florian_kc: no gpe-confd |
| 18:47.30 | Luke-Jr | florian_kc: xst read does nothing |
| 18:47.39 | florian_kc | Aha... and a way to improve it even more. But thats more compliacted... |
| 18:47.48 | florian_kc | pb__: *argh* |
| 18:48.50 | pb__ | now, only one thing stands between me and certain victory |
| 18:49.46 | Luke-Jr | root@c7x0:~# DISPLAY=:0 xst read |
| 18:49.55 | Luke-Jr | root@c7x0:~# |
| 18:50.15 | florian_kc | Luke-Jr: that would be a reason... OZ needs to ship this. |
| 18:50.20 | florian_kc | ~lart OZ |
| 18:50.22 | Luke-Jr | ship what? |
| 18:50.32 | florian_kc | Luke-Jr: gpe-confd |
| 18:50.44 | Luke-Jr | florian_kc: gpe-confd exists, it just isn't running |
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| 18:51.19 | Luke-Jr | shouldn't gpe-conf start it if it needs it? |
| 18:51.28 | pb__ | hurrah, found a pcmcia sleeve |
| 18:51.30 | rob_w | i spend the whole day looking at a 8bpp matchbox-desktop on a 6,5 inch lcd , that kinda move me out of my " reality" , looks really hippie style |
| 18:52.05 | florian_kc | Luke-Jr: hmm nasty, then something in your session startup is wrong... i'd suggest to file a bug in OZ bugzilla. |
| 18:52.11 | florian_kc | pb__: rock! |
| 18:52.21 | Luke-Jr | florian_kc: isn't session startup part of GPE? |
| 18:53.05 | Luke-Jr | further, it's in Xsession.d... |
| 18:53.09 | florian_kc | Luke-Jr: yes... but as it works with Familiar which is built with OE too i can't imagine that this is a problem in an upstream package. |
| 18:53.21 | Luke-Jr | root@c7x0:/etc/X11# DISPLAY=:0 gpe-confd |
| 18:53.21 | Luke-Jr | gpe-confd: /home/luke-jr/src/oe2005/build.alt/tmp/work/sqlite-2.8.16-r1/sqlite-2.8.16/src/btree.c:702: sqliteBtreeOpen: Assertion `sizeof(ptr)==sizeof(char*)' failed. |
| 18:53.21 | Luke-Jr | Aborted |
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| 18:55.17 | pb__ | later all |
| 18:56.03 | florian_kc | rob_w: oh well... 8bpp sucks, works with most gpe bits i think but i'm not sure about the matchbox stuff. |
| 18:56.41 | rob_w | png looks like on a trip |
| 18:56.49 | rob_w | after some "minutes" |
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| 18:57.01 | mimecar | hi+ |
| 18:57.12 | florian_kc | Luke-Jr: huh... that looks broken. |
| 18:57.22 | florian_kc | hi mimecar, hi shiyee |
| 18:57.25 | Luke-Jr | florian_kc: I think I've seen that one before |
| 18:57.31 | Luke-Jr | I forget how I fixed it... |
| 18:57.39 | Luke-Jr | does gpe-confd allow non-Sqlite backends? |
| 18:58.24 | mimecar | evening florian_kc |
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| 19:02.03 | florian_kc | Luke-Jr: no... but i'd be really interested in some information on what might cause this. |
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| 19:12.25 | Luke-Jr | hrm |
| 19:12.36 | Luke-Jr | I *think* I might have worked around the problem by stealing someone else's sqlite... |
| 19:13.46 | florian_kc | huh?! |
| 19:14.23 | Luke-Jr | I might have just given up and used an ipk someone else built |
| 19:16.50 | Luke-Jr | eww |
| 19:16.59 | Luke-Jr | why is sqlite messing w/ pointers as an int? |
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| 19:18.59 | Philippe | evening all |
| 19:19.28 | florian_kc | hi Philippe |
| 19:19.31 | pb_ | re |
| 19:19.36 | florian_kc | pb_: wb |
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| 19:23.43 | Luke-Jr | aha! |
| 19:23.58 | Luke-Jr | sqlite doesn't cross-compile between systems with different pointer sizes |
| 19:24.21 | Luke-Jr | in particular, my compile box has 8-byte pointers and the Z only has 4-byte pointers |
| 19:24.43 | mimecar_ | Luke-Jr: gtk give you a standard pointer size, isn't it? |
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| 19:25.09 | florian_kc | Luke-Jr: that would be a bug in the crosscompiler or the build system imho. |
| 19:25.14 | mimecar_ | you have a modified types such as gpointer (I think) |
| 19:25.26 | Luke-Jr | mimecar: wtf? |
| 19:25.37 | Luke-Jr | florian_kc: indeed, but you were interested in knowing why |
| 19:25.45 | Luke-Jr | mimecar: I don't think sqlite uses gtk |
| 19:25.53 | mimecar_ | no |
| 19:26.04 | mimecar_ | but you use C |
| 19:26.10 | florian_kc | Luke-Jr: yes of course - that's important information - many thanks! |
| 19:26.14 | mimecar_ | and C can use gtk type |
| 19:26.38 | florian_kc | Luke-Jr: just thinking loud about whats going on there. |
| 19:27.15 | Luke-Jr | sqlite is storing pointers in an int format |
| 19:27.53 | mimecar_ | ok |
| 19:30.42 | florian_kc | Luke-Jr: oops... i wonder how this happens. it would be a really good idea to pass this information to the sqlite mailinglist or something like this. |
| 19:32.48 | paxl_ | Finaly I found out how to solve my gpe bug.. |
| 19:32.54 | paxl_ | change the laptop :) |
| 19:33.11 | paxl_ | I'll be soonly ready to program on GPE |
| 19:33.28 | florian_kc | paxl_: :-) |
| 19:34.18 | paxl_ | I also buyed a new Zaurus battery.. so I'll use it as full time :) |
| 19:34.45 | Luke-Jr | bought* |
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| 19:54.26 | paxl_ | Is there a direct to get the frame buffer |
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| 20:32.36 | Philippe | any Finns (or Helsinki residents) around here that know a cheap place to stay? |
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| 21:24.49 | reenoo | evening |
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| 21:29.18 | reenoo | pb_: http://handhelds.org/~rw/familiar0.8_unofficial/alsa-driver-2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh39_0.9.6-hh4c-r5_h3900.ipk |
| 21:29.26 | pb_ | reenoo: rock |
| 21:29.31 | pb_ | I just finished installing on my h3900 |
| 21:29.37 | pb_ | installing 0.8.3-rc1, that is |
| 21:29.47 | reenoo | pb_: contains ak4535 and uda1380 drivers |
| 21:30.13 | reenoo | pb_: cool |
| 21:31.30 | pb_ | enjoy |
| 21:31.41 | pb_ | I'll test the drivers as soon as I establish a network connection to my ipaq |
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| 22:27.41 | Philippe | night all |
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| 22:37.10 | shiyee | night all |
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| 22:54.55 | florian | re |
| 22:59.04 | pb_ | florian: good evening |
| 23:05.03 | florian | pb_: I'll check in some minor improvements to gpe-calendar and two bad hardcoded size fixes for maemo. |
| 23:05.12 | pb_ | florian: rock |
| 23:05.27 | pb_ | florian: I flashed 0.8.3-rc1 onto my h3900, as you might have seen from the mailing list |
| 23:05.54 | florian | I only need to finish a cool pb_-quality ChangeLog entry :-) |
| 23:06.04 | pb_ | :-) |
| 23:06.04 | florian | pb_: not yet... let me see :-) |
| 23:09.01 | florian | very good :-) |
| 23:09.17 | pb_ | yeah, it all seemed pretty good overall |
| 23:09.31 | pb_ | the main thing that bothers me is this thing with the fonts. They are much worse than I remember from older versions. |
| 23:09.51 | florian | pb_: i *think* your display is set to 75dpi |
| 23:10.47 | florian | We tried to stop to lie about the screen resolution, but this seems to have much more side effects than expected. |
| 23:10.53 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:10.54 | pb_ | so it is |
| 23:11.39 | pb_ | the actual resolution is closer to 100dpi, isn't it? |
| 23:12.15 | florian | For some reason i don't understand the mechanical size of text grows at the same font size and correct DPI setting. |
| 23:12.18 | florian | right |
| 23:12.55 | florian | What should happen is that the size stays the same, but this doesn't happen. |
| 23:13.11 | pb_ | well, no, you would expect the size to change if you change the resolution. |
| 23:13.58 | pb_ | one point is 1/72 inch, so a 7-point font ought to be 7/72 inches tall. |
| 23:14.15 | pb_ | Xft knows how to interrogate the display for its resolution and convert that size into a number of pixels for display. |
| 23:14.46 | pb_ | but, if the display's reported resolution is wrong, the displayed font size will be miscalculated and so it will appear at the wrong size. |
| 23:15.11 | florian | yes... but i think the expected effect is that the physical size of a font size in points stays the same on all displays with correct dpi setting, right? |
| 23:15.18 | pb_ | right |
| 23:16.19 | florian | What happens is that the font size grows faster with an increased resolution. |
| 23:16.41 | pb_ | ah, that is a bit weird |
| 23:16.53 | pb_ | hm, yes, this is clearly no good; |
| 23:17.02 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.02 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.02 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.02 | pb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.05 | florian | On the 770 (~225 dpi) you get useful font sizes at ~3pt |
| 23:17.26 | pb_ | it seems that some joker has moved the "-dpi 100" bit for the second case into completely the wrong place |
| 23:17.47 | pb_ | afaik, hp never released a model named the "-dpi 100 iPAQ h3700". |
| 23:17.51 | florian | heh, koen or me |
| 23:17.56 | pb_ | heh |
| 23:18.31 | pb_ | florian: the thing about "useful" font sizes is a bit misleading. |
| 23:19.00 | pb_ | on the h3600, the reason that fonts below about 7pt are useless is not because they are too small to read, but because you run out of screen resolution and they get too blurry. |
| 23:19.24 | pb_ | if you have twice the resolution, like on the n770 or the hx4700, then smaller fonts will certainly be usable. |
| 23:20.19 | pb_ | on the other hand, if X is actually drawing a "3pt" font at a different physical size on the two screens (as measured with a ruler or something), that would be a bug |
| 23:20.48 | florian | I think so, yes... but i'd need to verify this again. |
| 23:21.14 | florian | ...but i got the problem with "useful". |
| 23:21.31 | pb_ | righto :-) |
| 23:21.43 | pb_ | I also noticed that familiar is shipping a dubious-looking /etc/fonts/local.conf |
| 23:22.02 | pb_ | it seems to be selecting an rgba order of "rgb", which is about as wrong as it could be for h3900. |
| 23:22.09 | pb_ | iirc, the correct order is actually "vbgr". |
| 23:22.20 | florian | oh |
| 23:22.32 | florian | that would be a reason for bad fonts. |
| 23:23.09 | pb_ | yeah |
| 23:23.16 | pb_ | that would also screw up the h3600 and h3800, though not h5400 |
| 23:24.04 | florian | Thats why i didn't notice this on the h5550... |
| 23:24.19 | pb_ | right, yeah, probably :-} |
| 23:25.15 | pb_ | doh, gpe-mini-browser crashed when I tried to load the first page |
| 23:25.54 | pb_ | ** (gpe-mini-browser:2946): WARNING **: NotYetImplemented: virtual void BridgeImpl::windowObjectCleared() |
| 23:25.54 | pb_ | Segmentation fault |
| 23:25.54 | pb_ | pb@h3900:~$ |
| 23:25.56 | pb_ | :-( |
| 23:26.15 | florian | oops |
| 23:27.51 | pb_ | yeah. I wonder if we should have mozilla back on h3900. |
| 23:28.51 | florian | I wish GtkWebcore would be a little bit more active... |
| 23:29.07 | pb_ | yeah |
| 23:29.46 | florian | more modern versions of minimo seem to suffer from various problems. |
| 23:30.51 | pb_ | :-( |
| 23:32.56 | florian | Hmm... i always thought CD-Player like UIs were trivial to use, but that mail makes me a little bit unsure. |
| 23:35.53 | pb_ | mm? |
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| 23:37.46 | pb_ | oh, right, the NMF guy |
| 23:37.50 | pb_ | yeah, I was a bit puzzled by that as well |
| 23:38.25 | pb_ | even if he couldn't guess which button was "load file", I would kind of expect him to just try all of them until he found out what they did. |
| 23:38.42 | florian | indeed... |
| 23:38.44 | pb_ | it's not as if it has a huge number of buttons |
| 23:39.02 | florian | More than gpe-todo ;-) |
| 23:39.06 | pb_ | heh |
| 23:39.07 | pb_ | true |
| 23:40.30 | pb_ | gpe-screenshot is pretty cool. who wrote that -- reenoo? |
| 23:42.00 | pb_ | if you look at http://handhelds.org/scap/port.25247.png, though, it seems that all is still not well with fonts even after increasing the size and (I think) fixing the rgb thing. |
| 23:42.29 | pb_ | the "Standard" button is particularly egregious |
| 23:42.46 | reenoo | pb_: I wrote the gui part of gpe-screenshot, yeah |
| 23:43.10 | pb_ | reenoo: very good :-) |
| 23:44.18 | reenoo | :) |
| 23:44.41 | pb_ | florian: frustratingly, this font problem looks very similar to a bug we had in the early days of the lx project. |
| 23:44.49 | pb_ | if only I could remember what the fix for that was |
| 23:44.49 | pb_ | heh |
| 23:44.58 | florian | I would like to have a way to supress this upload warning... e.h. a checkbox "remember this decision". |
| 23:45.24 | pb_ | kind of like that gpdf crash; I remember the experience of spending hours debugging that for the netbook, but I have no memory at all of what the actual fix was. |
| 23:45.50 | florian | pb_: hmm yes, it looks familiar... |
| 23:45.54 | pb_ | florian: yeah, that would be nice |
| 23:46.01 | pb_ | "don't ask me again" |
| 23:46.08 | reenoo | florian: right. the current semester started before I got around to implementing that |
| 23:46.35 | florian | reenoo: heh... i see. but you understand the need for "power users" ;-) |
| 23:46.39 | pb_ | florian: I'm pretty sure the netbook thing was caused by something in freetype. |
| 23:46.54 | pb_ | might have been a miscompilation with one version of gcc, or wrong options selected or something |
| 23:47.24 | pb_ | I guess I should try going back to freetype from 0.7.2 and see if the bug persists |
| 23:47.42 | florian | i remember i tried to update some font related stuff in oe some weeks ago and failed... |
| 23:48.00 | florian | not sure if this was freetype... or fontconfig? |
| 23:48.27 | reenoo | florian: I believe you mentioned issues with fontconfig |
| 23:50.15 | florian | I rememer i had a bad fight against autotools and lost because of lacking time. |
| 23:54.33 | pb_ | :-( |
| 23:54.50 | florian | pb_: Familiar is using an old version of xserver-common. Thats because of the -dpi issue. |
| 23:55.30 | florian | So that bug is fixed, but the new version is using the correct screen resolutions. |
| 23:56.57 | pb_ | hm, right |
| 23:57.02 | pb_ | I have 1.2-r2 on my ipaq |
| 23:57.51 | pb_ | my current oe tree has 1.1-r3, but that's probably because Holger hasn't imported all the monotone revisions into git yet |
| 23:58.04 | florian | oh |
| 23:59.09 | florian | yes.. we have 1.3 in oe which should be fixed. |
| 23:59.23 | pb_ | okay |
| 23:59.33 | pb_ | so is that just a case of sweet-talking koen into including 1.3 in 0.8.3? |
| 23:59.44 | pb_ | I guess I should file a bug or something |
