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| 01:26.41 | reenoo | bleh. can't get rs232 to work with my board :/ |
| 03:12.16 | reenoo | yay |
| 03:14.17 | reenoo | I guess no other "hello world" has ever made me that happy |
| 03:30.13 | reenoo | 'night all |
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| 09:10.59 | koen | good morning all |
| 09:11.16 | Russ | morning |
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| 12:31.50 | reenoo | morning |
| 12:32.01 | koen | moin reenoo |
| 12:32.42 | reenoo | hallo koen |
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| 12:36.02 | florian_kc | hi all |
| 12:36.33 | koen | hey florian_kc |
| 12:39.14 | reenoo | hey florian_kc |
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| 13:31.05 | koen | florian_kc: the crashes when installing gtk 2.8 have something todo with gpe |
| 13:31.21 | koen | regular gtk/gnome apps don't crash |
| 13:32.08 | koen | I kind of suspect libgpewidget |
| 13:35.42 | florian_kc | koen: oh well... but it works when it is linked against some 2.8 gtk. |
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| 13:46.28 | koen | yeah |
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| 14:15.36 | koen | florian_kc: after adding 30MB swap on the h2210 I can run localedef while gpe-login is running |
| 14:25.05 | florian_kc | ~lart localedef |
| 14:28.16 | pb_ | florian_kc: good afternoon |
| 14:33.16 | florian_kc | hi pb_ |
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| 15:09.34 | koen | gpe-today seems to actually work with gtk 2.8: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.12012.png |
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| 16:24.39 | koen | hey mreimer_ |
| 16:24.53 | mreimer_ | hey koen |
| 16:25.19 | koen | mreimer_: I just watched an episode of futurama with todays build from .dev on the h2210 |
| 16:26.03 | mreimer_ | cool! what did you use to watch i? |
| 16:26.07 | mreimer_ | it? |
| 16:26.15 | mreimer_ | I have one more h2200.cpnf patch for you, flash-related |
| 16:26.18 | koen | mplayer -vo sdl -ac mad -framedrop |
| 16:26.30 | mreimer_ | fps? |
| 16:27.00 | koen | somewhere between 3 (high action) and 20 (talking heads) |
| 16:27.19 | mreimer_ | it kept up ok? |
| 16:27.53 | koen | I did pretty ok |
| 16:28.00 | mreimer_ | hopefully someday Spyro will get around to getting YUV conversion in hardware working |
| 16:28.05 | koen | unrotated fbdev would be faster |
| 16:28.14 | koen | this was with rotated X |
| 16:28.43 | mreimer_ | I saw a commit go by on lak for overlay support for pxa270 |
| 16:28.50 | mreimer_ | not bad then |
| 16:28.51 | koen | yeah |
| 16:28.51 | koen | bvdd |
| 16:29.15 | koen | someone submitted the intel stuff |
| 16:29.38 | mreimer_ | cool |
| 16:30.15 | mreimer_ | is there time for one more h2200.conf patch to get into fam083? |
| 16:31.07 | koen | the images are already built, so only critical patches should go in |
| 16:31.20 | koen | you can apply it to .dev :) |
| 16:31.24 | mreimer_ | ok |
| 16:32.04 | mreimer_ | this patch makes the jffs2 image usable--does that count as critical? |
| 16:32.55 | koen | there's no LAB with the releases, so 'no' |
| 16:33.00 | mreimer_ | ok |
| 16:33.15 | koen | mreimer_: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.12078.png |
| 16:33.33 | mreimer_ | good! |
| 16:33.52 | koen | it didn't work before because jffs2 wasn't built |
| 16:34.09 | mreimer_ | I wonder how correct the system memory numbers are |
| 16:34.21 | mreimer_ | yeah, that'd do it |
| 16:34.21 | koen | I pushed the defconfig for that to .dev |
| 16:34.38 | koen | probably contains some unneeded stuff |
| 16:34.52 | mreimer_ | I have another patch to make it use h2200_defconfig from cvs |
| 16:35.21 | mreimer_ | cool! |
| 16:36.05 | mreimer_ | does usb gadget work reliably for you? i've had problems |
| 16:36.25 | koen | after compiling it into the kernel usbnet seems to work |
| 16:36.51 | mreimer_ | I'll try that |
| 16:37.15 | koen | it will probably work better with 2.6.15rc<something> |
| 16:38.16 | mreimer_ | yes, I hope to test that soon :-) |
| 16:42.01 | koen | mreimer_: with hh.org tracking upstream this close wouldn't it be time to submit some stuff upstream? |
| 16:44.14 | mreimer_ | koen: yes, I'd like to do that someday. I think it will be a lot easier after 2.6.15 because of rmk's platform device changes |
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| 16:49.43 | florian_kc | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.20846.png |
| 16:49.51 | florian_kc | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.20897.png |
| 16:49.57 | florian_kc | (new gpe-what) |
| 16:50.12 | koen | nice |
| 16:50.22 | pb_ | excellent |
| 16:50.26 | pb_ | all hail florian_kc! |
| 16:50.33 | koen | hail florian_kc ! |
| 16:50.55 | pb_ | well, I quite liked the old windows with the rounded corners, but I guess that's an issue for the gtk theme really |
| 16:50.55 | florian_kc | The colour should be the same like the remindes in the calendar :-) |
| 16:51.03 | pb_ | ah, very good |
| 16:51.34 | florian_kc | Yes indeed... but i huess we'd need a special engine for this. |
| 16:51.38 | florian_kc | eh guess |
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| 16:52.30 | pb_ | yeah, probably |
| 16:52.41 | pb_ | maybe I should just put back the code to do that in gpe-what :-) |
| 16:52.56 | florian_kc | hehe |
| 16:53.14 | pb_ | I'm not sure I like the 3d relief effect around the gpe-what window, either, but that's also a minor issue |
| 16:53.31 | pb_ | all in all, it seems like a great improvement |
| 16:54.12 | florian_kc | Yeah... i'd rather like a simple black border, but this seems to be complicated. |
| 16:54.54 | pb_ | right. yeah, I suppose it would be. |
| 16:55.14 | Likewise | Anyone using conf/machine/epia.conf? |
| 16:55.30 | pb_ | occasionally, yeah |
| 16:56.10 | koen | florian_kc: would it be possible to reuse bedboi roundedcorner code from gpe-calendar? |
| 16:56.12 | florian_kc | pb_: It should be possible to make the sizing of the popup a little bit cleverer too... |
| 16:56.43 | florian_kc | koen: thats not a separate widget... ehh.. window. |
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| 17:03.59 | koen | florian_kc: I updated some glibc, gtk and pango bits |
| 17:04.06 | koen | it feels a bit faster now |
| 17:04.21 | florian_kc | koen: cool - sounds promising. |
| 17:05.00 | koen | which might be caused by switching to FASTFPE instead of NWFPE |
| 17:05.20 | florian_kc | koen: i have added pb_s help patch, but i need to figure out why my oe doesn't produce packages anymore... |
| 17:05.53 | mreimer_ | koen, how's the softfloat stuff coming along? |
| 17:06.06 | mreimer_ | hi florian_kc and pb_ |
| 17:06.10 | pb_ | hi mreimer |
| 17:06.17 | koen | mreimer_: still having trouble building an EABI toolchain |
| 17:07.40 | florian_kc | hi mreimer_ |
| 17:08.18 | koen | florian_kc: iirc gpe-help need a 48x48 panel icon to work on vga screens |
| 17:09.14 | florian_kc | koen: gpe-help or gpe-what? |
| 17:10.41 | koen | the one with the red/white floation device icon |
| 17:10.41 | mreimer_ | bbl |
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| 17:22.51 | florian_kc | koen: ah thats gpe-what... |
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| 17:32.21 | florian_kc | bbl |
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| 17:44.34 | teedub303 | howdy |
| 17:50.33 | teedub303 | anyone have luck with bluetooth in the latest snapshot for ipaq 3900? |
| 17:54.31 | reenoo | I don't have a h3900 but it did sound rather broken judging from your mail to familiar@ |
| 17:55.48 | pb_ | mm. that sounded rather as though one of the helper programs has lost the setuid bit. |
| 17:56.03 | pb_ | rfcomm-helper, maybe |
| 17:56.11 | reenoo | or ended up in a wrong location |
| 17:57.04 | pb_ | yah, possibly. "permission denied" sounds like it's trying to execute the right stuff with the wrong privs, though. |
| 17:57.35 | pb_ | iirc, all the binaries in /usr/lib/gpe-bluetooth need to be setuid root |
| 17:59.31 | teedub303 | i'll check that out |
| 18:02.15 | teedub303 | Thank you, that worked... been trying to get that going for a few weeks now.. |
| 18:02.29 | teedub303 | now if I can only get mmc working...hehe |
| 18:03.15 | reenoo | what exactly did you do to fix the problem? |
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| 18:04.35 | teedub303 | chmod a+s /usr/lib/gpe-bluetooth/* |
| 18:06.00 | reenoo | hmm, ok. would you mind filing a bug for that in OE bugzilla? (bugs.openembedded.org) |
| 18:06.59 | teedub303 | Sure... |
| 18:07.15 | reenoo | thanks |
| 18:08.33 | pb_ | actually, it looks like it's gpe-bluetooth's own makefile.am that's busted. |
| 18:09.15 | pb_ | oh, hm, he left |
| 18:09.57 | teedub303 | Another wierd thing I noticed (when it was working before, and its the same now) is that PAN and LAP connections seem backwards... PAN gets me an IP and allows me to connect to the internet, LAP doesn't really seem to do much at all... |
| 18:11.16 | pb_ | PAN and LAP are just two different ways of connecting. Are you sure that your LAP server is set up right? |
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| 18:12.42 | teedub303 | looking at that now... it's a windows box, (at work) so the setup is a bit convoluted... |
| 18:13.16 | pb_ | on the other hand, if PAN is working then you might just decide not to care about LAP. There's no particular advantage to one over the other. |
| 18:14.04 | teedub303 | I guess I thought PAN wasn't supposed to let you bridge to the outside world, but if it does, I don't really care about LAP. |
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| 18:15.03 | pb_ | yeah, they both do the same thing |
| 18:15.16 | pb_ | LAP is based on PPP, and PAN... isn't. |
| 18:15.27 | florian | re |
| 18:15.33 | pb_ | gpe-bluetooth supports both because lots of APs only do one or the other. |
| 18:15.45 | pb_ | florian: wb |
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| 18:19.34 | reenoo | pb_: yah. I guess my plan was to mark that bug a blocker for #350 to (try to) prevent koen from releasing images with broken bluetooth support. |
| 18:19.51 | pb_ | ah, good idea |
| 18:19.56 | reenoo | pb_: but it seems that's not going to work anyway since it was apparently decided to ignore RC bugs. |
| 18:20.04 | pb_ | oh |
| 18:20.05 | pb_ | heh |
| 18:20.13 | pb_ | that's a bit unfortunate |
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| 18:21.41 | reenoo | it also sucks to read about concrete release plans as a side note in an otherwise unrelated e-mail |
| 18:22.21 | reenoo | but I guess I'll better wait for koen to respond to that mail rather than ending up in a flame war on IRC |
| 18:22.39 | florian | yes please :-) |
| 18:23.21 | pb_ | florian: could you help me with an automake problem? |
| 18:24.13 | florian | pb_: let me try |
| 18:24.27 | pb_ | gpe-bluetooth isn't installing its helper programs setuid root. I tried to fix that by adding an install-exec-hook rule with some chmod commands... which kind of works, except that automake installs the binaries for a second time after this hook has run, which sets the permissions wrong again. |
| 18:24.46 | pb_ | I couldn't figure out what was causing this second, unwanted, installation. |
| 18:25.34 | pb_ | (I checked in what I have, anyway.) |
| 18:25.52 | florian | argh... |
| 18:27.28 | florian | i'll try... |
| 18:27.35 | pb_ | thanks |
| 18:27.53 | pb_ | I guess I'll go on looking at it too |
| 18:29.07 | pb_ | ah, hm, this can't be good: |
| 18:29.18 | pb_ | install-data-am: install-btresumeSCRIPTS install-btscriptSCRIPTS \ |
| 18:29.18 | pb_ | install-dbusconfDATA install-desktopDATA \ |
| 18:29.18 | pb_ | install-gpebluetoothlibPROGRAMS install-peersDATA \ |
| 18:29.18 | pb_ | install-pingladeDATA install-pixmapsDATA install-serviceDATA |
| 18:29.18 | pb_ | @$(NORMAL_INSTALL) |
| 18:29.19 | pb_ | $(MAKE) $(AM_MAKEFLAGS) install-data-hook |
| 18:29.22 | pb_ | (in makefile.in) |
| 18:29.35 | pb_ | I wonder what that install-gpebluetoothlibPROGRAMS is doing in there. |
| 18:30.47 | pb_ | well, maybe I should just put the chmod commands in install-data-hook instead. |
| 18:32.25 | teedub303 | Hmm... no more 'Connection Failed', but I was only able to get an IP the first time... I've tried static and DHCP... probably a windows issue, but not sure. |
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| 19:21.53 | florian | re |
| 19:22.15 | florian | sorry... i had to ran and care for our lunch. |
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| 19:24.14 | florian | pb_: hmmm strange indeed... |
| 19:26.35 | pb_ | yeah, very |
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| 20:21.16 | teedub303 | good afternoon. |
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| 20:22.08 | florian | oops |
| 20:25.38 | reenoo | florian: wb. pulled the wrong plug/cable? |
| 20:26.30 | teedub303 | Hey, I have another bluetooth question. I've gotten bluetooth networking working now with the latest 8.3 snapshot. I have it set to use DHCP because that works best with my company's windows network. Anyway, when I connect using LAP or PAN, it does not automatically request an IP, I have to go to the shell and type ifdown bnep0 and then ifup bnep0 to get it to work. On previous builds this was not necessary. |
| 20:27.27 | teedub303 | Is there a configuration setting that is different between previous builds and the current snapshot that I can change to get that functionality back? |
| 20:28.03 | florian | reenoo: the wireless one plugged itself ;) |
| 20:31.55 | florian | teedub303: good question... i can't imagine. |
| 20:33.46 | reenoo | pb_, teedub303: mind if I quote you guys in a bug report? |
| 20:34.18 | pb_ | go ahead |
| 20:40.26 | florian | pb_: which version of automake do you use? |
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| 20:41.44 | pb_ | florian: 1.9something |
| 20:41.46 | pb_ | let me check |
| 20:42.00 | pb_ | 1.9.6 |
| 20:43.50 | florian | hmm same bug here using 1.9.5 |
| 20:46.28 | teedub303 | Well, the calendar import issue I reported on the mailing list is still an issue... |
| 20:46.56 | reenoo | pb_: did you ever get around to testing an OE built alsa-driver on h3900? |
| 20:47.02 | florian | teedub303: which is this? |
| 20:48.55 | teedub303 | all at the same time and date as the first appointment |
| 20:50.13 | teedub303 | oops, that was meant to /msg to florian |
| 20:50.38 | florian | hmm right |
| 20:51.11 | pb_ | reenoo: hm, no, I don't think so |
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| 20:53.33 | florian | teedub303: can you send me such an ical file? |
| 20:53.51 | teedub303 | Sure... just a second. |
| 20:55.40 | teedub303 | OK, just sent it via e-mail. |
| 21:04.21 | florian | teedub303: many thanks |
| 21:17.26 | teedub303 | Thanks for the help today. |
| 21:17.39 | reenoo | koen: I'm perfectly aware of the fact that the multiple bug trackers are a mess. "bug ping-pong" doesn't help though. as far as gpe is concerned, pb_ and florian are aware of the problem and we could easily work around the permission issues in do_install() in OE. |
| 21:22.31 | florian | pb_: hah... looks like automake treats all dirs except of bindir as data :-/ |
| 21:22.37 | pb_ | florian: doh! |
| 21:23.07 | pb_ | I was rather hoping that it would treat any _PROGRAMS as being, well, programs. |
| 21:23.53 | pb_ | oh well |
| 21:25.32 | florian | obvously not :-/ in contrast to bnep-helper setting gpe-bluetooth suid works pretty good. |
| 21:26.41 | florian | ~lart automake |
| 21:36.20 | florian | pb_: moving the chmod stuff to install-data-hook works, i'll check that in. |
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| 21:42.24 | pb_ | florian: great, thanks |
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| 22:18.49 | teedub303 | Hmm, just tried to install a package, the install failed because I ran out of space, but the space taken up by the download was not freed. Now my flash is well over 90% full. Where does IPKG put its temporary downloads so I can clear it out? |
| 22:21.52 | florian | teedub303: to /tmp/ |
| 22:37.30 | teedub303 | found it, it had actually partially installed some items, blowing them away now... ls |
| 22:52.58 | florian | teedub303: I guess i found the ics import issue. |
| 22:54.00 | florian | teedub303: a typo :-) |
| 22:55.07 | rob_w | how is the release going ? |
| 22:55.21 | rob_w | btw , how is gpe on cebit ? |
| 22:56.42 | florian | rob_w: thit the progress of gpe-what... pretty good :-) |
| 22:57.17 | teedub303 | Thanks for all the help florian. I'm gonna head home now... have a great new-year... |
| 22:57.36 | florian | rob_w: No idea... i hope Nils is able to organize something, i won't be able to attend this year. |
| 22:57.46 | florian | teedub303: yw :-) |
| 22:58.46 | rob_w | oh florian , say hello to Nils .. i probably can make it |
| 22:58.57 | rob_w | i already have a need to go . |
| 22:59.00 | florian | rob_w: okay :-) |
| 23:00.39 | rob_w | if you get know the days where nils might be there , please tell me |
| 23:01.54 | florian | yep |
| 23:06.52 | pb_ | reenoo: heh, I see you and koen have been having fun with bugzilla |
| 23:07.41 | reenoo | pb_: unfortunately, yeah |
| 23:08.30 | reenoo | I'm really sorry about that and still don't understand what made koen so seemingly angry about it. it's just a bug after all |
| 23:09.33 | pb_ | yeah, it is a bit strange. it'd hardly be the first time that a patch is installed in OE to fix a bug that exists upstream. |
| 23:10.11 | florian | oh... |
| 23:10.26 | reenoo | well. even if it's fixed upstream we'll need a new .bb in OE for it |
| 23:10.41 | florian | pb_: add some fun and make a new release :-) |
| 23:12.28 | florian | reenoo: do i need to read oe mailinglist? |
| 23:14.42 | reenoo | florian: I don't know. there have been a few important things recently. but this particular issue was just a bugzilla "conversation" going pretty wrong |
| 23:15.39 | florian | reenoo: okay, then i'll look out for things unrelated to gpe-bluetooth :-) |
| 23:17.27 | reenoo | florian: I guess you could read that too if you want to help me avoid stuff like that in the future ;) |
| 23:18.57 | florian | reenoo: mm right |
| 23:24.35 | reenoo | I guess I could upgrade to a mega128 too |
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