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| 00:54.22 | reenoo | 'night all |
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| 05:45.36 | pigeon | so... does anyone know if there's a fix/solution for the perl /usr/lib/libperl.so.5: undefined symbol: __umodsi3 problem? |
| 05:48.26 | Russ | have the right libc6 version installed? |
| 05:50.35 | pigeon | i checked libgcc1 and i have the latest, let me check libc6 now. |
| 05:51.17 | pigeon | i'm on v0.8.3-prerelease-snapshot-20051201 btw, and using unstable feed, does this sound right? |
| 05:53.19 | pigeon | Package libc6 (2.3.5+cvs20050627-r0) installed in root is up to date. |
| 06:00.19 | Russ | dunno |
| 06:00.29 | pigeon | (well, that doesn't nesscarily mean i have the matching version though, i guess) |
| 06:00.39 | Russ | but you are on the right track, it definately sounds like a libgcc1 incompatibility |
| 06:00.57 | Russ | I have gpe-login crashing myself |
| 06:01.09 | pigeon | hmm |
| 06:06.46 | pigeon | oh, my libperl is not up to date. |
| 06:06.54 | pigeon | finger crossed... |
| 06:07.03 | Russ | that would make sense |
| 06:09.17 | pigeon | i checked perl, but forgot about libperl for a sec. |
| 06:14.57 | pigeon | hmm... same problem... |
| 06:21.16 | Russ | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| 06:21.16 | Russ | 0x40792978 in cairo_scaled_font_destroy () from /usr/lib/libcairo.so.1 |
| 06:23.18 | Russ | what version of libcairo1 do you have? |
| 06:23.43 | pigeon | Version: 0.5.2-r0 |
| 06:24.14 | Russ | hmmm |
| 06:24.17 | Russ | thats what I have |
| 06:26.39 | pigeon | what's also funny is ldd never gives any output now, and return code is alwasys 2 |
| 06:26.53 | Russ | how about libfontconfig1 and libfreetype6 |
| 06:27.24 | pigeon | libfontconfig1 2.2.95-r1, libfreetype6 2.1.10-r0 |
| 06:28.10 | Russ | hmm, all good there |
| 06:29.17 | Russ | pango, libxft2? |
| 06:29.53 | pigeon | pango 1.8.1-r2 |
| 06:30.08 | pigeon | libxft2 2.1.6-r1 |
| 06:30.18 | Russ | ah |
| 06:30.24 | Russ | prolly those |
| 06:33.07 | Russ | pigeon: have you tried /lib/ld-linux.so.2? |
| 06:33.11 | Russ | (instead of ldd) |
| 06:33.49 | pigeon | hmm no |
| 06:34.02 | pigeon | oh that works. |
| 06:35.41 | pigeon | oh |
| 06:35.47 | pigeon | i guess i know the problem then, |
| 06:36.00 | pigeon | bingo |
| 06:36.15 | pigeon | __umodsi3 is in libgcc |
| 06:36.25 | pigeon | this perl is not linked against libgcc |
| 06:36.25 | Russ | ya, you can tell |
| 06:36.31 | pigeon | LD_PRELOAD helped. |
| 06:37.07 | pigeon | Russ: thanks for the /lib/ld-linux.so.2 tips :) |
| 06:38.10 | Russ | hmmm |
| 06:38.13 | Russ | ipkg acts funny |
| 06:38.20 | Russ | root@h3600:~# ipkg install -force-downgrade -force-reinstall pango_1.8.1-r2_arm.ipk libxft2_2.1.6-r1_arm.ipk |
| 06:38.28 | Russ | Reinstalling pango (1.10.0-r0) on root... |
| 06:38.28 | Russ | Downloading http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/feed/pango_1.10.0-r0_arm.ipk |
| 06:38.28 | Russ | Reinstalling libxft2 (2.1.7-r0) on root... |
| 06:38.28 | Russ | Downloading http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/feed/libxft2_2.1.7-r0_arm.ipk |
| 06:38.28 | Russ | Configuring libxft2 |
| 06:38.29 | Russ | Configuring pango |
| 06:40.30 | pigeon | possible to edit a binary so that it's linked against a lib? |
| 06:40.48 | Russ | don't think so |
| 06:40.52 | Russ | you'd have to relink |
| 06:41.11 | pigeon | hmm... i remember there're some hack or something... |
| 06:45.15 | Russ | wait, why does libxft22 want libfontconfig1 (>= 2.2.95) |
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| 10:19.27 | _law_ | koen|bday, happy birthday |
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| 12:58.36 | florian | good morning |
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| 14:08.01 | florian | pb_: What might be wrong if i don't get property change notifications on my ipaq? |
| 14:10.55 | florian | pb_: It works fine on x86 with Xnest. |
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| 14:48.35 | florian | hello lamikr, pH5, zecke |
| 14:48.48 | pH5 | hi florian |
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| 16:08.09 | bedboi | hi there |
| 16:08.25 | pH5 | hi bedboi |
| 16:11.31 | florian | hi bedboi, hi dc__ |
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| 16:18.35 | dc__ | hey guys |
| 16:19.22 | pH5 | hi dc__ |
| 16:21.40 | koen | hey all |
| 16:21.49 | florian | hi koen |
| 16:22.34 | koen | oh dear, I don't have an ipkg status file |
| 16:23.10 | koen | time to reflash a gtk 2.8 image :) |
| 16:23.58 | koen | for the impatient people: http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.3/install/files/ |
| 16:26.45 | florian | eh? _releases_? |
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| 16:29.52 | koen | yes, releases |
| 16:30.04 | koen | I only have to packages them up with bootldr and stuff |
| 16:31.26 | florian | koen: cool, who fixed the remaining issues? |
| 16:32.20 | koen | nobody, it's a 'good enough' release :( |
| 16:32.21 | pH5 | does that mean we can now enable dbus 0.60 in .dev? |
| 16:32.39 | koen | pH5: as far as I'm concerned, yes |
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| 16:33.18 | koen | hey poli :) |
| 16:33.27 | poli | hello koen :) |
| 16:33.58 | koen | florian: obergix has put some extra patches in bugzilla, which went to the oe mailinglist |
| 16:34.13 | poli | koen: just to mention, the 1222 snapshot solved all my power management problems, thank you so much. :) |
| 16:35.21 | koen | cool |
| 16:35.41 | lamikr | hi koen and florian |
| 16:35.45 | koen | hey lamikr |
| 16:36.06 | florian | koen: oh well... i'm not sure if this is the best idea. especially because of the i18n issue. |
| 16:36.32 | florian | koen: oh good, i'll check... |
| 16:36.54 | koen | 1437 thorugh 1440 |
| 16:36.59 | koen | through* |
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| 16:39.26 | koen | pH5: I'm wondering how gnome-power behave on handhelds |
| 16:39.38 | koen | behaves* |
| 16:40.45 | koen | (http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/drupal/?q=ipkgfind&action=details&pnm=gnome-power) |
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| 16:40.58 | mimecar | evening |
| 16:41.03 | koen | hey mimecar |
| 16:41.04 | florian | hello mimecar |
| 16:41.10 | pH5 | libnotify instead of the matchbox stuff would be cool |
| 16:41.23 | pH5 | but gnome-power seems to depend on hal? |
| 16:41.27 | koen | yeah |
| 16:41.42 | pH5 | hi poli, mimecar |
| 16:42.08 | mimecar | hi koen , florian and pH5 |
| 16:42.08 | mimecar | merry christmas :) |
| 16:42.26 | florian | koen: At least on my machine hal seems to poll various things frequently... a terribly bad idea on a pda. |
| 16:43.22 | poli | Hi pH5 |
| 16:44.34 | koen | florian: I think that removing most of the .fdi files will make hal more suitable |
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| 16:45.54 | florian | koen: maybe more suitable but still not good. i'd suggest to invest this time in a solution for handhelds. |
| 16:46.04 | lamikr | koen: Do you have "Image" not zImage still available for h6300 build? I think our bootloader has problems with zImage. If you can find it, I could then test the image. |
| 16:47.04 | koen | lamikr: I haven't, but rebuilding it should yield the same kernel, since CVSDATE has been locked down |
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| 16:48.21 | pb_ | florian: hm, that's very strange |
| 16:48.41 | pb_ | you don't get any property change events at all? |
| 16:49.26 | florian | pb_: yes... and it seems to be related to the new code, the old one works. |
| 16:49.34 | lamikr | koen: Do you want me to build it and send for you? |
| 16:50.00 | pH5 | is there anything wrong with hal except for the polling misbehaviour and the amount of .fdi data? |
| 16:50.04 | koen | lamikr: if you can, please |
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| 16:50.41 | pb_ | florian: are you setting the correct event mask? |
| 16:50.47 | florian | pb_: i added some debug output in the event handler. |
| 16:50.56 | pb_ | I think you need to explicitly request PropertyChange events on the window where they should be delivered. |
| 16:51.45 | pb_ | fwiw, you can use "xwininfo -events" to see what mask is set on a window. |
| 16:51.53 | pb_ | might be worth trying that with the old and new code, and checking that they are the same |
| 16:52.09 | pb_ | dc__: afternoon |
| 16:52.20 | dc__ | hey |
| 16:52.22 | dc__ | hrm |
| 16:52.28 | dc__ | having to find an sql book :/ |
| 16:53.00 | florian | hmm... i guess so, it works fine on the pc |
| 16:53.05 | pb_ | dc__: crumbs, how unpleasant |
| 16:53.15 | dc__ | indeed. |
| 16:53.25 | florian | pb_: okay... let me try |
| 16:53.35 | dc__ | I realized I really don't know mysql enough |
| 16:53.38 | pb_ | florian: yah, it's very mysterious that it behaves differently in the two cases |
| 16:59.02 | pb_ | grr |
| 16:59.13 | pb_ | stupid bank |
| 16:59.38 | florian | ~lart banks |
| 16:59.56 | pb_ | yah, quite. |
| 17:00.29 | pb_ | apparently they felt the need to do some kind of security check on my Visa card |
| 17:01.15 | poli | credit card authentication is a crime by itself |
| 17:02.54 | mimecar_ | is there a date for the next release of gpe ? |
| 17:03.38 | florian | As soon as we have gpe-what working again :-) |
| 17:04.12 | pb_ | heh |
| 17:04.50 | pb_ | florian: so, did you manage to find an implementation of the application-side help stuff to test it with? |
| 17:05.36 | florian | pb_: not yet... |
| 17:05.44 | pb_ | drat |
| 17:05.56 | pb_ | maybe I'll make it my mission for this afternoon to rewrite that missing patch |
| 17:06.04 | poli | florian: are you winning, at least? |
| 17:06.32 | florian | pb_: that would be more than good. |
| 17:07.32 | florian | koen: oh btw... that means that we don't have working gpe-what/help support in 0.8.3 :-/ |
| 17:07.50 | florian | poli: yeah... but it is a tough fight :-) |
| 17:08.12 | mimecar_ | ok florian |
| 17:08.23 | poli | florian: lol |
| 17:08.32 | florian | hrm... it seems to be a bad idea to suspend a pc with an open usbnet connection :-/ |
| 17:08.53 | pb_ | oh dear |
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| 17:10.33 | pb_ | florian: what version of gtk is in use these days -- is it 2.6 or 2.8? |
| 17:11.06 | florian | pb_: 2.6.10, 2.8 still needs too much memory. |
| 17:11.16 | pb_ | okay |
| 17:12.51 | koen|770 | pb_: do you still have that pixbuf integer scaling patch lying around? |
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| 17:16.49 | pb_ | koen|770: I think it's in the oe tree somewhere, and it's also in gnome bugzilla. |
| 17:17.25 | florian | pb_: xwininfo seems to fail for dock windows... i only get the information from the dock itself... |
| 17:17.58 | pb_ | florian: you probably need to use "xwininfo -tree" to get the xids of the child windows, then "xwininfo -events -xid NNN" to interrogate the window you want |
| 17:18.23 | florian | pb_: ah okay, let me try... |
| 17:20.59 | florian | pb_: much better... but looks correct. Both want PropertyChange events... |
| 17:22.30 | pb_ | okay |
| 17:22.39 | pb_ | I guess that's good, though it doesn't really help with the problem. |
| 17:23.19 | florian | I'll check the code here... maybe there is some obvious issue. |
| 17:23.57 | pb_ | good plan |
| 17:33.03 | florian | http://handhelds.org/scap/land.22715.png |
| 17:33.29 | florian | It is running on my pc :-/ |
| 17:33.39 | florian | If i run it on the ipaq it fails. |
| 17:33.57 | pb_ | crumbs |
| 17:34.10 | pb_ | must be some arm-related problem then, I guess |
| 17:34.34 | pb_ | could try using xscope to see if it actually receives any events |
| 17:35.12 | pb_ | the little icon is nice though :-) |
| 17:35.19 | florian | Okay... will do this after lunch (not breakfast!) |
| 17:35.26 | pb_ | hehe |
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| 17:48.08 | koen | found it: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90621 |
| 17:48.52 | Russ | koen: you have any idea when the new version of gtk will be fixed? |
| 18:02.38 | koen | Russ: fixed in what way? |
| 18:06.27 | koen | hmmm |
| 18:06.46 | koen | the integer patch doesn't apply against gtk+ 2.8.9 |
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| 18:15.52 | florian | re |
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| 18:16.09 | florian | Isn't there any release of xscope? |
| 18:17.00 | moray | I think xmon does about the same, and is in Debian etc. |
| 18:17.26 | florian | moray: okay thanks, i'll try this then... |
| 18:24.49 | lamikr | koen: I just emailed the h6300 Image and small readme.txt for you... I need now go but it would be nice if you could add those to v0.83 h6300 dir. |
| 18:24.56 | lamikr | koen: I just emailed the h6300 Image and small readme.txt for you... I need now go but it would be nice if you could add those to v0.83 h6300 dir. |
| 18:25.16 | lamikr | ups... |
| 18:32.26 | pb_ | florian: try this: http://handhelds.org/~pb/help.patch |
| 18:32.44 | pb_ | that's against gtk 2.6; it seemed to work in a very quick test with gedit on my laptop |
| 18:33.14 | florian | pb_: perfect! i'll try that asap |
| 18:33.34 | pb_ | okay, excellent |
| 18:36.28 | koen | lamikr|away: done |
| 18:41.24 | florian | pb_: okay... xmon says we get this event. |
| 18:42.44 | florian | brb+ |
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| 18:50.06 | koen | florian: wb |
| 18:50.19 | florian | re |
| 18:54.11 | pb_ | florian: okay, that's useful information |
| 18:54.19 | pb_ | so, the problem must lie inside gtk somewhere |
| 18:54.43 | pb_ | do you have the same version of gtk on your laptop as on the ipaq? |
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| 18:58.05 | florian | pb_: hmm no, i have 2.8.6 on my pc. |
| 19:01.07 | pb_ | mm, I wonder if that is related to the problem |
| 19:01.23 | pb_ | I guess it is not easy for you to install gtk 2.6 on your pc. |
| 19:02.03 | koen | debootstrap chroot? |
| 19:02.25 | florian | no.. but maybe installing 2.8 on the ipaq is easy. |
| 19:02.52 | pb_ | ah, good idea |
| 19:03.10 | koen | florian: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/drupal/?q=ipkgfind&action=details&pnm=gtk%2B |
| 19:05.41 | florian | koen: thanks |
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| 19:07.35 | koen | hey mreimer_ |
| 19:07.41 | mreimer_ | hello all |
| 19:07.43 | mreimer_ | hey koen |
| 19:07.50 | koen | mreimer_: any news on the little one? |
| 19:08.06 | mreimer_ | 8 lbs, 21 inches of pink :-) |
| 19:08.15 | mreimer_ | don't you hear her in the background? ;-) |
| 19:08.17 | koen | mreimer_: congratulations |
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| 19:08.34 | mreimer_ | brb |
| 19:13.15 | mreimer_ | koen: http://bilbo.vpop.net/~mreimer/baby.jpg |
| 19:13.47 | mreimer_ | ~seen phillipe |
| 19:13.57 | ibot | mreimer_: i haven't seen 'phillipe' |
| 19:14.16 | koen | philippe said he was flying back to finland today |
| 19:14.20 | mreimer_ | thanks koen |
| 19:14.43 | koen | mreimer_: my girlfriend says 'aaaah, how cute' :) |
| 19:14.45 | mreimer_ | I wanted to report a bug in gpe-mini-browser where I can't type in a URL with the onscreen keyboards (e.g. matchbox-keyboard) |
| 19:14.53 | mreimer_ | koen: uh oh! |
| 19:15.17 | koen|tv | bbl |
| 19:21.04 | florian | mreimer_: congratulations |
| 19:23.40 | mreimer_ | thanks florian :-) |
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| 19:34.23 | florian | koen|tv: libgtkstylus is another bad package with .a files |
| 19:35.39 | koen|770 | florian: I pushed a fix an hour ago |
| 19:36.44 | florian | koen|770: ah cool... |
| 19:38.10 | poli | mreimer_: congratulations! |
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| 20:12.23 | poli | mreimer_: did you name him/her already? |
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| 20:22.28 | florian | koen: is your feed known to work? |
| 20:23.11 | koen | it works for me when I install single packages |
| 20:23.46 | florian | koen: all gtk app segfault with gtk from this feed |
| 20:24.30 | koen | did you upgrade pango too? |
| 20:25.11 | florian | i think so, i added the feed and the gtk package depends on it. |
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| 20:25.27 | koen | I can't remember how I solved that problem |
| 20:26.22 | koen | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/gpe-image-h3600-20051227202801.rootfs.jffs2 is a gtk 2.8 rootfs |
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| 20:28.21 | Russ | koen: I mean, when I install the gtk 2.8 package, gpe-login crashes |
| 20:28.23 | koen | hey jg |
| 20:28.44 | jg | koen: hi. |
| 20:28.52 | koen | Russ: that requires an extra package, but I can't remember which one |
| 20:29.02 | Russ | ah |
| 20:29.13 | Russ | does it need to be changed to depend on that package? |
| 20:29.42 | florian | koen: the pixbuf loaders failed to update automatically |
| 20:29.59 | koen | florian: that could be it |
| 20:30.33 | pH5 | ~lart missing versioned dependencies in ipkg |
| 20:30.45 | koen | I'm building a 2.8 image for the hx right now |
| 20:30.56 | koen | pH5: ipkg has them iirc, OE hasn't |
| 20:31.14 | florian | koen: no... it would be a reason but updatig them isn't sufficient. |
| 20:31.23 | koen | pH5: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/drupal/?q=ipkgfind&action=details&pnm=nautilus is generated from the ipkg control file |
| 20:31.39 | florian | pH5: right... this is missing in oe. |
| 20:31.55 | florian | heh |
| 20:47.41 | florian | hrm it segfaults in cairo_scaled_font_destroy() |
| 20:57.48 | koen | did cairo get upgraded as well? |
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| 21:01.17 | florian | yes... |
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| 21:07.32 | poli | koen: I see that you strip the -snapshot from 0.8.3... will it be released soon? |
| 21:07.48 | koen | yes |
| 21:08.02 | poli | good to know :) |
| 21:08.06 | koen | the files are already in http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.3/ |
| 21:08.31 | koen | I just need to package it up nice (bootldr, reflash.ctl) and write some install instructions |
| 21:09.11 | poli | koen: Oh! I will flash it right away, then. If you need any help, I am here. :) |
| 21:09.51 | florian | koen: ho you have a h3900 image with gtk 2.8? |
| 21:10.23 | bedboi | bye. |
| 21:10.31 | florian | bedboi: cu |
| 21:11.04 | koen | florian: I will in half an hour :) |
| 21:13.47 | florian | koen: okay, let me know ;) |
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| 21:31.55 | koen | NOTE: package gpe-image-1.0-r19: task do_rootfs: started |
| 21:32.14 | florian | ah good :-) |
| 21:41.06 | koen | florian: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/gpe-image-h3900-20051228211251.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 21:42.42 | rob_w | koen, was that the release build ? |
| 21:42.52 | koen | rob_w: no, a gtk+ 2.8 build |
| 21:43.23 | rob_w | oh , it keeps moving ,,, scary |
| 21:43.47 | florian | koen: many thanks |
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| 21:44.42 | mimecar | hi |
| 21:45.00 | florian | hi mimecar |
| 21:45.40 | mimecar | hi florian |
| 21:45.54 | koen|770 | hi mimecar |
| 21:46.39 | mimecar | hi koen |
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| 22:36.06 | koen|770 | florian: the 2.8 image worked on the hx |
| 22:38.44 | florian | koen|770: apart from the fonts in the setup screen it doesn't look too bad here. |
| 22:43.00 | florian | koen|770: the clock is the old one imho and there is no screenshot tool installed. |
| 22:44.35 | koen|770 | the .dev branch doesn't install gpe-screenshot |
| 22:45.27 | florian | Is there a particular reason to avoid this? |
| 22:45.44 | koen|770 | no |
| 22:50.51 | koen | florian: I have some ugly hacks for gpe in the release branch which have to be done nicely in .dev |
| 22:51.00 | koen | including gpe-screenshot is one of those hacks |
| 22:53.06 | florian | koen: oh why this... whats up with it? |
| 22:53.06 | mreimer_ | poli: no, my wife and I are still hashing out the name :-) |
| 22:53.49 | koen | florian: it needs some thought in which task it has to go, and if we want it for 16MB flash machines, etc |
| 22:54.14 | mreimer_ | koen: does gpe-mini-browser allow you to enter a URL via xkbd or matchbox-keyboard? mine doesn't. I would be good to have that fixed (if it's not just my problem) before 0.8.3 goes out the door. Otherwise it's not much use. |
| 22:54.52 | koen | mreimer_: it does over here |
| 22:55.49 | koen | mreimer_: it could be an issue with error dialogs popping up under the main window and stealin focus |
| 22:56.34 | florian | koen: i see... yes right, we need to introduce some clever thing to deal with that. |
| 22:57.32 | koen | heh |
| 22:57.38 | koen | obergix has another vcard fix :) |
| 22:57.44 | koen | http://www.handhelds.org/~bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1441 |
| 22:58.37 | mreimer_ | koen: ok, I'll try again when I get a chance |
| 22:58.41 | florian | i should deal with these soon... |
| 22:58.48 | koen | ooow |
| 22:58.54 | koen | only 2 minutes left |
| 22:59.00 | florian | pb_: same effect with koens new 2.8 based image. |
| 23:01.28 | koen | 'night all |
| 23:01.37 | mreimer_ | night koen |
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| 23:07.57 | poli | mreimer: Congratulations once more. :) |
| 23:43.16 | pb_ | florian: hm, oh dear |
| 23:57.22 | florian | pb_: against which version of gtk is your patch? |
| 23:57.44 | pb_ | florian: the current 2.6 branch. I imagine it should apply against any recent 2.6.x. |
