| 00:05.45 | florian | good night |
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| 00:41.49 | CSMan | does anybody know where can i find an arm version of monotone ? |
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| 09:47.05 | florian_kc | good morning |
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| 10:43.44 | ade|desk | morning florian_kc, koen et al. |
| 10:44.11 | koen | good morning all |
| 10:44.21 | florian_kc | hi ade|desk |
| 10:44.23 | florian_kc | hi koen |
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| 11:15.17 | bedboi | i don't remember how to do simple floating point operations in bash |
| 11:15.21 | bedboi | scripts |
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| 11:38.29 | koen | with expr? |
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| 11:51.19 | koen | hey zecke |
| 12:34.40 | florian_kc | france: wb |
| 12:35.04 | france | florian_kc: hello! |
| 12:35.09 | france | florian_kc: how are things? |
| 12:36.03 | florian_kc | france: I can't complain apart from the fact that i almost forgot what "free time" is ;-) |
| 12:36.23 | france | florian_kc: me, too! |
| 12:36.48 | france | florian_kc: this mornings my suprise task is spam |
| 12:37.26 | france | florian_kc: somebody finally sent me a decent enough chuck of data to figure out how it is getting thru spamassassin on the mailing lists. |
| 12:37.29 | florian_kc | france: But GPE is doing fine as well as other projects, so i feel fine too. :-) |
| 12:37.41 | florian_kc | france: oh |
| 12:37.57 | france | nods |
| 12:38.17 | france | I need to get some time to work on many of the projects on hh.org, many have been floundering due to lack of leadership. |
| 12:38.30 | france | they need to get moving again or be closed down. |
| 12:39.06 | florian_kc | yeah, that's true... i'd prefer the first solution for most of them :-) |
| 12:39.51 | france | when crl stopped officially working on things, they sort of slowely fell apart |
| 12:40.08 | france | I have just been keeping things alive the past 3 years, but no time for progress. |
| 12:42.46 | florian_kc | Yeah... i see. |
| 12:42.51 | florian_kc | ~lart HP |
| 12:43.01 | france | heh |
| 12:43.31 | france | but I understand the research labs position, that researchers should work on research |
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| 12:43.56 | lardman|work | morning all |
| 12:44.03 | france | on the bright side my 770 arrives today |
| 12:44.17 | florian_kc | that's true, but i think there are useful ways to combine research and development. |
| 12:44.23 | florian_kc | hi lardman|work |
| 12:44.32 | lardman|work | hey florian_kc |
| 12:44.39 | france | florian_kc: yes, but the project that spawned hh.org was finished. |
| 12:45.05 | france | florian_kc: so...... |
| 12:45.05 | florian_kc | france: ah cool - that reminds me to gpe-today for maemo :-) |
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| 12:50.23 | florian_kc | hi dc__ |
| 12:50.31 | dc__ | yo |
| 12:51.00 | dc__ | so do i... |
| 12:51.05 | dc__ | too much work :/ |
| 13:00.57 | bedboi | wtf |
| 13:00.59 | bedboi | 14:00 |
| 13:01.10 | bedboi | i also need to eat |
| 13:01.17 | bedboi | maybe it can be postponed |
| 13:02.23 | florian_kc | re |
| 13:03.06 | Tygger-Bob | morning |
| 13:04.16 | florian_kc | morning Tygger-Bob |
| 13:04.27 | Tygger-Bob | so.. what food did you hunt down, florian_kc |
| 13:04.27 | Tygger-Bob | ? |
| 13:06.50 | florian_kc | Tygger-Bob: heh, rolls :-) |
| 13:07.06 | Tygger-Bob | hehehe |
| 13:07.07 | florian_kc | france: that would have been plan b ;-) |
| 13:07.11 | Tygger-Bob | hey france how's it going? |
| 13:07.12 | florian_kc | brb, food |
| 13:07.21 | france | Tygger-Bob: it is going fairly well. |
| 13:07.25 | france | Tygger-Bob: how are you? |
| 13:07.30 | Tygger-Bob | good.. busy, but good |
| 13:08.32 | Tygger-Bob | going to my son's kindergarten teddy bear picnic later this morning, then I have a conference call at the office about an upcoming pentest, and then I'm in the lab at another client gathering screenshots for a build document. |
| 13:08.54 | Tygger-Bob | %^0 |
| 13:09.06 | france | that makes me tired just thinking about it. |
| 13:09.30 | france | only 8am here and I might need a nap now. |
| 13:09.36 | Tygger-Bob | same here :) |
| 13:09.44 | france | :-) |
| 13:11.00 | Tygger-Bob | trying to boost the number of testing tools.. |
| 13:11.10 | Tygger-Bob | once the three kids are in bed and the wife |
| 13:11.16 | france | correction, infinite and copious spare time. :-D |
| 13:11.48 | Tygger-Bob | is crashed on the couch, AND I've finished my Honey-Do list for the night, that's my time :) |
| 13:30.36 | koen | florian_kc: I've applied http://handhelds.org:8080/gpe/chngview?cn=794 to the .oz354fam083 branch, is a release of xserver-common is far away, I could apply it to .dev too |
| 13:37.24 | Tygger-Bob | so.. about the oz354fam083 and dev thing.. |
| 13:37.35 | Tygger-Bob | how different are they? |
| 13:37.50 | koen | the familiar 0.8.3 release will be built from .oz354fam083 |
| 13:37.58 | koen | development happens in .dev |
| 13:38.08 | Tygger-Bob | I tried to do a sectest-gpe build from dev and it died.. |
| 13:38.15 | Tygger-Bob | dsniff wouldn't build, among others... |
| 13:38.42 | Tygger-Bob | it seemed like the libnet has changed, or something.. |
| 13:38.56 | koen | a newer libnet was added |
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| 13:39.04 | Tygger-Bob | that would do it. |
| 13:39.05 | koen | is that the incompatible one |
| 13:39.06 | koen | ? |
| 13:39.16 | Tygger-Bob | yep.. dsniff won't build anymore then. |
| 13:39.20 | Tygger-Bob | it needs 1.02 |
| 13:39.32 | Tygger-Bob | where as the newer stuff needs 1.1.x |
| 13:40.03 | Tygger-Bob | hrm.. I wonder if it's possible to have both on, like debian does |
| 13:40.05 | koen | you could make a patch to rename libnet_1.1.x.bb to libnet-1.1_1.1.x.bb |
| 13:40.48 | Tygger-Bob | I'll investigate this, when I have some time.. |
| 13:41.20 | Tygger-Bob | dsniff should also be upgraded to 2.4b as well.. |
| 13:41.27 | Tygger-Bob | I'll look at that as well. |
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| 13:49.25 | _law_ | hi |
| 13:49.32 | koen | hey _law_ |
| 13:49.51 | law|clamshell | hi koen |
| 13:50.08 | Tygger-Bob | see you in a while |
| 13:55.37 | philippe-work | hmmm, that last line looks good :-) http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3300364871.html |
| 13:58.40 | koen | It surely does |
| 13:59.19 | koen | any opinions on defaulting gpe-login to auto-login? |
| 14:00.35 | philippe-work | koen might be usefull. Less confuding for first time users. |
| 14:00.49 | koen | http://www.esfnet.co.uk/index.php?page=Foundry_Graphical <- interesting |
| 14:01.20 | philippe-work | Anyway changing the colour to gray instead of blue makes gpe-login look better (and it is just changing one in line in a config file) |
| 14:02.08 | koen | actually it involves removing everything but the first line :) |
| 14:02.33 | law|clamshell | perhabs i can release gnome-bluetooth .bb files today |
| 14:03.54 | philippe-work | koen maybe we should make a OE patch for it then.... it will look way nicer than the blue ... |
| 14:05.08 | philippe-work | koen btw could you bump the bb file version for gpe-mini-browser? I released 0.18 yesterday. (mostly a bugfix release) |
| 14:07.21 | law|clamshell | philippe-work: have you seen my gpe-mini-browser bug |
| 14:07.30 | law|clamshell | ist on scap |
| 14:07.41 | philippe-work | law|clamshell : no. I'll take a look |
| 14:08.11 | law|clamshell | too big inputfields and buttons |
| 14:08.55 | philippe-work | law|clamshell : that seems to be gtk-webcore messing up (or the website being bad) |
| 14:10.08 | law|clamshell | it is on every website i thing i have tested google.com |
| 14:13.34 | florian_kc | re |
| 14:13.52 | philippe-work | law|clamshell is that on a zaurus? |
| 14:14.26 | philippe-work | and which build is that ? |
| 14:16.19 | law|clamshell | latest .bb file 0.17 i think |
| 14:16.31 | koen | philippe-work: I have a patch ready the blue |
| 14:16.41 | florian_kc | philippe-work: yes... the last line looks good :-) |
| 14:18.29 | koen | NOTE: package gpe-mini-browser-0.18: completed |
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| 14:38.18 | philippe-work | koen : great! Let me know if you find any bugs. |
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| 14:40.11 | koen | aargh |
| 14:40.14 | koen | that's |
| 14:40.25 | koen | closing the wrong window two times in a row |
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| 14:59.21 | CSMan | hello |
| 15:00.00 | CSMan | how can i get pgup/down in gpe? |
| 15:04.46 | florian_kc | CSMan: well... that depends on the device. |
| 15:06.11 | CSMan | florian_kc: using the virtual kb |
| 15:06.38 | CSMan | i remember seeing those keys in opie |
| 15:09.16 | florian_kc | CSMan: ah okay, you can create a new layout - thats an xml file describing it. |
| 15:09.52 | CSMan | how can i get it? |
| 15:12.10 | florian_kc | CSMan: I'd suggest to modify an existing one (in /usr/share/matchbox). You can select these files with Keys&Buttons setup. |
| 15:12.32 | florian_kc | There should be some docuentation on the matchbox website iirc. |
| 15:20.18 | CSMan | i have another q |
| 15:20.30 | CSMan | how can i get min |
| 15:20.58 | CSMan | minimo with google maps suppport? |
| 15:21.12 | CSMan | (ajax) |
| 15:23.56 | florian_kc | I guess that will be a recent CVS version, right? I don't think there are binaries around so far... |
| 15:25.38 | koen | you'd have to mail doug turner about that |
| 15:28.14 | lardman|work | Can OE build .debs for the N770? |
| 15:32.35 | florian_kc | Not really, but it might be worth a try if it nothices that this file isn't a deb :-) |
| 15:33.51 | lardman|work | True, I'd still need to tack on the annoying prefix stuff though |
| 15:37.30 | florian_kc | yes right... thats a little bit tricky sometimes. |
| 15:37.57 | florian_kc | but you can alwas flash a gpe image ;-) |
| 15:38.06 | florian_kc | eh always |
| 15:38.45 | TyggerBob | rehi |
| 15:39.03 | florian_kc | TyggerBob: wb |
| 15:39.45 | lardman|work | florian_kc: yes, I plan to do just that, but I need to get a new hdd as I don't have enough room for two sets of toolchain, etc. |
| 15:40.43 | lardman|work | florian_kc: I don't suppose you have one lying around? |
| 15:41.06 | TyggerBob | Teddy Bear Picnic was a success... |
| 15:41.18 | florian_kc | lardman|work: http://www.kernelconcepts.de/~fuchs/nokia770/experimental/gpe-image-nokia770-20051107165915.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 15:41.39 | bedboi | how to flash that? |
| 15:41.43 | bedboi | i would like to try it |
| 15:42.10 | florian_kc | lardman|work: thats really experimantal, we would need to improve hardware controls and some rough edges, but you can use it. |
| 15:42.44 | florian_kc | bedboi: flasher -f -r <file>, thats just the root filesystem using the original initfs. |
| 15:46.58 | lardman|work | florian_kc: Cool, I'll give it a go this evening |
| 15:51.43 | florian_kc | lardman|work: :-) |
| 15:54.49 | bedboi | florian_kc: there's no problem getting the putting back the original image ? |
| 15:58.21 | florian_kc | bedboi: no, you can simply flash a new fiasco (complete) image. You can download these from Nokia - you only need your wlan mac. |
| 15:58.41 | lardman|work | What's the current version of the download? |
| 15:58.55 | lardman|work | version of the current download even |
| 15:59.06 | florian_kc | w49 iirc |
| 15:59.39 | florian_kc | ah no, w45 |
| 16:00.47 | lardman|work | hmm. I have 1.2005.42-9 atm |
| 16:01.57 | florian_kc | yep... 2.2005.45-8 is the newer one. (iirc that .xx is the week) |
| 16:02.41 | lardman|work | Ah okay, that's fine then - at least if/when I go back it'll be to something newer |
| 16:03.20 | lardman|work | bbiab |
| 16:06.16 | bedboi | florian_kc: yep |
| 16:06.37 | bedboi | florian_kc: i'll try your image as long as i finish to download it |
| 16:07.01 | florian_kc | bedboi: cool |
| 16:07.44 | florian_kc | bedboi, lardman|away: in order to make wireless lan work you need to bring the device up first and configure the wireless parameters then. |
| 16:07.59 | bedboi | ok |
| 16:08.05 | bedboi | is usbnet working? |
| 16:08.10 | florian_kc | For some stupid reason it doesn't load the firmware before beeing up the first time. |
| 16:08.30 | florian_kc | I didn't try this, but the kernel is the original one. |
| 16:09.06 | bedboi | so it should work |
| 16:09.29 | bedboi | too bad our internet access is slower than a turtle |
| 16:09.44 | bedboi | ping to my gateway results in 24% of lost packets :) |
| 16:12.49 | florian_kc | oh dear... |
| 16:13.04 | florian_kc | ssh wo't like this |
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| 16:35.50 | lardman|work | florian_kc: Thanks |
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| 16:56.32 | lardman|work | let us know how it goes bedboi |
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| 17:03.29 | florian_kc | 15 patches for the gconf package! |
| 17:06.17 | florian_kc | Philippe: Do you know if all the maemo packages changed to enumerated patches? |
| 17:06.44 | Philippe | florian_kc, no clue... |
| 17:06.56 | Philippe | I haven't done much integration yet |
| 17:11.01 | lardman|work | Night all |
| 17:12.06 | Philippe | night lardman |
| 17:12.30 | florian_kc | Philippe: Looks liek keeping these patches up to date in OE is a pain. I think about writing a class to apply all patch es from ${S}/../debian/patches automatically. |
| 17:13.12 | Philippe | florian_kc, that might definitely be a solution |
| 17:14.16 | Philippe | florian_kc, I guess you are talking about building maemo images here not GPE I hope... |
| 17:15.31 | florian_kc | Philippe: yes right... |
| 17:26.42 | florian_kc | :-) |
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| 17:56.28 | koen | dougt and I are trying to get minimo to work |
| 17:57.16 | koen | I wonder if the maemo-doom will work on gpe |
| 17:57.38 | florian_kc | That can't be too complicated... |
| 17:58.01 | Philippe | koen, doom would be nice... |
| 18:06.08 | koen | florian_kc: http://handhelds.org/hypermail/familiar/295/29515.html |
| 18:07.29 | florian_kc | koen: thanks - i need these contents! |
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| 18:10.36 | florian_kc | koen: hmm... it seems lik i didn't get this mail |
| 18:10.47 | koen | I got it 2 minutes ago |
| 18:10.53 | koen | so your mail server might lag a bit |
| 18:11.41 | florian_kc | koen: oh right, i forgot... that mail passes the universities mailserver. sometime it takes _DAYS_ :-/ |
| 18:12.51 | koen | I've seen 'weeks' over here |
| 18:13.25 | florian_kc | koen: don't thell the guys here... they will try to add this "feature" here too ;-) |
| 18:14.14 | koen | heh |
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| 18:20.44 | lardman | bedboi: how did you find gpe-image on the 770? |
| 18:21.38 | lardman | florian_kc: I flashed it, and it works well, with one or two caveats |
| 18:22.29 | lardman | Not sure how to get BT up; no battery info (which is something I should have expected); on screen keyboard letters are too shallow |
| 18:23.18 | lardman | Also, although the screen gets turned off when I put the lid on, it doesn't actually sleep |
| 18:23.22 | _law_ | The memory usage on SMTP and POP3 session was reduced drastically. (perhabs we should change to latest Sylpheed 2.1.8)? |
| 18:23.57 | lardman | Philippe: I have no wireless network at home so I can't test it |
| 18:25.20 | lardman | Not being able to power down will be an issue |
| 18:26.17 | florian_kc | lardman: even with the maemo image it doesn't really sleep. |
| 18:27.08 | lardman | florian_kc: ah, yes, it stops the userspace programmes doesn't it - I just ran 'sleep 10' in the term and stuck the lid on to test it |
| 18:28.04 | lardman | florian_kc: if it does the dyntick stuff still (and as the kernel is the same, I guess it does, then that should be okay I suppose |
| 18:29.45 | bedboi | ok now flashing |
| 18:29.50 | florian_kc | lardman: Currently GPE draws more battery, if we make the applications using constant cpu cycles stop if the display is turned off this issue should go away. That would be the clock, matchbox-panel and applets at least. |
| 18:29.52 | bedboi | i was busy with my prof |
| 18:30.15 | bedboi | finished flashing |
| 18:30.21 | bedboi | now? |
| 18:30.23 | bedboi | i should reboot? |
| 18:30.29 | florian_kc | bedboi: yes |
| 18:30.34 | lardman | yes, then wait for ages |
| 18:30.46 | lardman | florian_kc: yes, I was wondering about that |
| 18:31.05 | bedboi | rebooting |
| 18:31.27 | lardman | Assuming Nokia aren't going to release the battery interface info, what is the name of the binary which provides that info to dbus? |
| 18:31.30 | florian_kc | bedboi: indeed... and no splash screen support so far. |
| 18:31.44 | lardman | Yes, that got me, I thought I'd messed up |
| 18:32.00 | lardman | I went to grab a beer and when I came back I had the calibration screen |
| 18:32.02 | florian_kc | lardman: iirc this is dsme. |
| 18:32.24 | bedboi | does it happen only the first time? |
| 18:32.27 | bedboi | as with ipaq? |
| 18:32.36 | florian_kc | lardman: yes.. thats because some userspace thingy needs to trigger the display update from framebuffer. |
| 18:32.47 | Philippe | bedboi, yes |
| 18:32.58 | florian_kc | bedboi: yes right... in fact maemo is a little bit faster. |
| 18:33.03 | lardman | florian_kc: Is it feasible to run this dsme with a gpe-image; I don't know what else it does, etc. |
| 18:33.59 | lardman | Perhaps some reverse engineering is called for... |
| 18:35.09 | bedboi | ok |
| 18:35.12 | bedboi | it works |
| 18:35.38 | florian_kc | lardman: Yes... it should be running, its started by the initrd. It might use dbus and if it does we maybe can sniff its communication. |
| 18:36.13 | bedboi | wow |
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| 18:36.18 | bedboi | gpe on my n770 |
| 18:36.21 | bedboi | it rocks!!! |
| 18:36.22 | Philippe | florian_kc, I think they will give out the details about the dbus messaging... |
| 18:36.40 | lardman | ah yes, it is running |
| 18:36.43 | Philippe | bedboi, it is way faster than maemo no? |
| 18:36.58 | bedboi | WOW!!! |
| 18:37.04 | bedboi | it's really really cool |
| 18:37.23 | florian_kc | bedboi: For almost no work adapting gpe to the 770 it is pretty cool :-) |
| 18:37.25 | lardman | yes, it is quite decent speed-wise |
| 18:37.27 | florian_kc | *gg* |
| 18:37.36 | bedboi | gpe just rocks |
| 18:37.39 | bedboi | and kicks asses |
| 18:37.59 | florian_kc | Philippe: oh really?! that would save us some time reverse-engineering that thingy. |
| 18:38.08 | lardman | florian_kc: Yes, sniffing the comms sounds like a good plan, unless they release it themselves of course |
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| 18:38.36 | bedboi | florian_kc: really good work. i really don't need maemo |
| 18:38.41 | bedboi | wow |
| 18:38.42 | bedboi | :) |
| 18:38.45 | lardman | hmm, something controls the backlight |
| 18:39.04 | lardman | even if I set it manually using minilite, it only stays that way for 1-2s or so |
| 18:39.14 | bedboi | cooool |
| 18:39.23 | koen | that's the big bad initfs |
| 18:39.48 | lardman | is there a tool to deconstruct one of the FIASCO images? |
| 18:39.58 | florian_kc | lardman: yep... i think thats dsme or bme, if you kill both it works but you loose all sorts of power and chanrging control. |
| 18:40.29 | lardman | florian_kc: Ah, I wonder if I can ask one of those processes to alter the bl using dbus then? |
| 18:40.43 | lardman | (in the short term that is) |
| 18:40.47 | florian_kc | lardman: iirc the flasher can do this, if not there was some info and code in the wiki. |
| 18:41.21 | florian_kc | lardman: that would be the way to go, yes... |
| 18:42.09 | lardman | Does anyone know what the mtum module is? |
| 18:42.18 | bedboi | ops |
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| 18:42.36 | bedboi | look and feel stucked the device |
| 18:42.41 | bedboi | i changed the theme |
| 18:43.08 | florian_kc | lardman, bedboi: Did one of you manage to kill the Xserver? I did this several times opening xkbd. |
| 18:43.15 | lardman | I only tried to change the term font, which didn't do anything |
| 18:43.29 | lardman | Nope, it's been nice and stable for me |
| 18:43.33 | florian_kc | bedboi: Oh... i think i fixed that, but the image isn't 100% up to date. |
| 18:43.46 | bedboi | is there any feed? |
| 18:43.55 | lardman | Is there a conf file somewhere where I can increase the vertical size of the keys in the on-screen keyboard? |
| 18:44.14 | lardman | bedboi: it should work from any of the feeds |
| 18:44.19 | florian_kc | bedboi: no, but i can create one. i'd need to check which target produces a complete one. |
| 18:44.21 | lardman | bedboi: I would have thought |
| 18:44.41 | florian_kc | hmm yes, the last time i used koens unstable feed iirc. |
| 18:44.55 | lardman | florian_kc: Could you bake a newer image as/when you have time - I still need to order a new HDD before I can set up the toolchain |
| 18:44.58 | koen | you could use matchbox-keyboard |
| 18:45.04 | koen | that should be fully configurable |
| 18:45.08 | lardman | koen: ah, cool |
| 18:46.36 | florian_kc | koen: thats a good idea... any known bugs? |
| 18:46.42 | lardman | I don't suppose anyone knows how the device can be completely powered down? |
| 18:46.53 | koen | mallum fixed all the bugs I reported |
| 18:47.34 | florian_kc | Philippe: ah cool |
| 18:47.52 | lardman | indeed |
| 18:48.42 | florian_kc | Philippe: don't forget the patch i mentioned on the mailinglist... without this you'll upset the inird. |
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| 18:49.14 | Philippe | florian_kc, which patch? |
| 18:50.21 | florian_kc | Philippe: against sysvinit - the initfs dislikes /sbin/init beeing a link. |
| 18:50.46 | lardman | Any clues as to where bme & dsme reside? |
| 18:51.24 | florian_kc | Philippe: http://www.kernelconcepts.de/~fuchs/oe/sysvinit_2.86.bb_770.patch |
| 18:51.40 | florian_kc | iirc this one, that directory also continas my description. |
| 18:52.05 | Philippe | ok. I;ll try to add that one. |
| 18:52.33 | florian_kc | lardman: yep.. in the initrd, you can mount it... |
| 18:53.13 | lardman | florian_kc: oh, I meant on the device, or is that what you meant too? |
| 18:53.49 | lardman | florian_kc: I don't suppose they will, but I thought I'd see if they tell you anything about their switches |
| 18:53.51 | florian_kc | lardman: yep... let me check which mtdblock this is. |
| 18:54.36 | lardman | it's mounted anyway under /mnt |
| 18:55.06 | bedboi | florian_kc: is bt working? |
| 18:56.05 | florian_kc | bedboi: i didn't try so far, but the firmware file and hotplug to load it is there. |
| 18:56.19 | bedboi | what about suspending |
| 18:56.23 | bedboi | or something similar |
| 18:56.23 | bedboi | ? |
| 18:56.35 | lardman | curious, although it appears to be mounted on /mnt/initfs, when I cd to /mnt/initfs/usr/sbin (for example) and try to run something, it says not found |
| 18:57.29 | lardman | bedboi: I couldn't work out the bt, though I don't know much about it - I tried 'hcitool scan' & it complained about the device being missing |
| 18:57.36 | bedboi | ah, there are a lot of alignment problems |
| 18:57.57 | lardman | what do you mean? |
| 18:58.04 | bedboi | dmesg |
| 18:59.17 | lardman | ah, I see |
| 18:59.34 | florian_kc | bedboi: that somewhat works, but the 770 never really suspends - thats intended, it slows down the cpu. currently gpe apps are not able to honor this... frequent updates like from the panel and the clock will suck power. |
| 19:00.21 | bedboi | btw how to suspend? |
| 19:00.32 | lardman | Is there a way to 'halt' without pulling the battery? |
| 19:00.36 | florian_kc | bedboi: clise the cover |
| 19:00.39 | florian_kc | eh close |
| 19:00.56 | Philippe | lardman, shutdown -h now from the root console? |
| 19:01.28 | lardman | I see a binary named batttest - might be interesting (if I could get it to be found!) |
| 19:01.30 | koen | iirc a shutdown system sucks more power than a suspended system on arm |
| 19:01.41 | lardman | Philippe: Of course, thanks for reminding me |
| 19:01.41 | florian_kc | heh |
| 19:01.57 | koen | florian_kc: such a 'stop' feature for applets and apps would be nice to have in gpe 3.0 |
| 19:02.05 | bedboi | florian_kc: ok... |
| 19:02.06 | bedboi | :) |
| 19:02.08 | Philippe | koen, true. But if you want to shut it down for real... |
| 19:02.11 | lardman | koen: I was going to shutdown & pull the battery rather than run it too low overnight if the power consumption is high |
| 19:02.14 | koen | iirc task-navigator is open source, so we could just copy the relevant bits |
| 19:02.17 | bedboi | audio support is still voodoo |
| 19:02.18 | bedboi | i think |
| 19:02.37 | florian_kc | koen: yes indeed... would you add this to the list? |
| 19:03.05 | lardman | Anyone have any ideas about these files not being found? |
| 19:03.37 | Philippe | lardman, where are you looking for them? |
| 19:03.55 | lardman | Ah, I should restate I think |
| 19:04.05 | Philippe | if they are supposed to be on the rootfs they won't be in the GPE image |
| 19:04.06 | lardman | In /mnt/initrd/sbin for example |
| 19:04.07 | florian_kc | bedboi: yep... but i think we can grab the binaries from the original image and use the available stuff then. even the interface software for the dsp should be open source. but with some docs that would be easier. |
| 19:04.35 | bedboi | btw gpe is really good on it |
| 19:04.38 | lardman | However it's not to do with the mounting, I can do 'more dsme' and get the usual binary garbage |
| 19:04.50 | florian_kc | lardman: hmm i remember this effect... |
| 19:05.03 | lardman | Is it to do with the LD_LIBRARY_PATH or similar? |
| 19:05.34 | florian_kc | lardman: yep.. maybe |
| 19:05.39 | lardman | Yes, add my vote too - far faster than the Nokia stuff (which has started to annoy me) |
| 19:05.39 | Philippe | florian_kc, ERROR: Nothing provides hotplug |
| 19:05.39 | Philippe | ERROR: dependency hotplug (for nokia770-init) not satisfied |
| 19:05.39 | Philippe | NOTE: no buildable providers for nokia770-init |
| 19:05.42 | bedboi | btw i need usb support |
| 19:05.45 | koen | florian_kc: ok, added to http://handhelds.org:8080/gpe/wiki?p=DeviceControlFramework |
| 19:05.47 | bedboi | because i don't have wifi |
| 19:05.59 | lardman | bedboi: insmod the usb module then...? |
| 19:06.48 | bedboi | doesn't work |
| 19:06.48 | Philippe | I remember that last time I got rid of this by removing the stuff from the oe configuration. I just wondered if you had an idea what causes it. |
| 19:06.48 | bedboi | depmod complaining |
| 19:06.49 | bedboi | trying to ismod |
| 19:06.57 | florian_kc | Philippe: hrm... one sec |
| 19:06.58 | lardman | yeah, depmod doesn't exist does it |
| 19:07.10 | bedboi | ok |
| 19:07.17 | lardman | I have a connection |
| 19:07.22 | lardman | g_ether |
| 19:07.27 | koen | if the maemo kernel were in OE, we could ship working modules |
| 19:07.51 | lardman | koen: is the source available? I thought so |
| 19:08.01 | lardman | koen: Just some work to add it then...? |
| 19:08.04 | koen | the source is available |
| 19:08.13 | florian_kc | koen: that should be easy... |
| 19:08.31 | florian_kc | Philippe: ah... my bad, i forgot to check in a fix - wait |
| 19:09.27 | lardman | koen: are you proposing replacing their initfs, or just being able to make extra modules? |
| 19:09.42 | koen | extra modules |
| 19:09.55 | koen | mppe, ipv6, tun, etc |
| 19:10.01 | lardman | and what stops us from doing the former? the dsme functionality? |
| 19:10.22 | koen | yeah |
| 19:10.46 | lardman | it's only 42k ;) |
| 19:10.53 | lardman | a lot of debuggering |
| 19:10.58 | Philippe | lardman, initfs is too small... I do not know if Nokia has released fully functional kernel sources... |
| 19:11.00 | bedboi | lardman: are you able to use usb? |
| 19:11.10 | bedboi | usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 4 |
| 19:11.10 | bedboi | usb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen from 2 choices |
| 19:11.16 | lardman | bedboi: I've not tried, but there's a connection up |
| 19:11.33 | lardman | I'm using WinXP I'm afraid |
| 19:12.50 | bedboi | lardman: shame on you |
| 19:12.51 | bedboi | :) |
| 19:13.03 | lardman | I have to use MATLAB, not my fault |
| 19:13.08 | bedboi | usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 4 |
| 19:13.08 | bedboi | usb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen from 2 choices |
| 19:13.12 | bedboi | lardman: :) |
| 19:14.13 | lardman | bedboi: I've got pings being returned now, so yes it does work |
| 19:14.49 | bedboi | hmmm |
| 19:15.13 | lardman | 192.168.0.202 is my 770's ip |
| 19:15.46 | florian_kc | Philippe: syncing now |
| 19:15.52 | florian_kc | bbl |
| 19:15.58 | lardman | bedboi: try 'ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200' on your machine |
| 19:15.59 | Philippe | florian_kc, ok great. See you later |
| 19:16.10 | lardman | Bye florian |
| 19:16.22 | bedboi | no |
| 19:16.26 | bedboi | ifconfig -a doesn't list usb0 |
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| 19:17.07 | lardman | bedboi: Oh, not sure about doing this on Linux I'm afraid, perhaps it doesn't recognise gadget ethernet |
| 19:17.25 | lardman | I've got to go too, my girlfriend will kill me as she thinks I'm here doing work, time to eat |
| 19:17.37 | lardman | night everyone |
| 19:20.04 | mimecar | evening guys |
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| 19:22.58 | pb_ | hi chaps |
| 19:26.01 | bedboi | hmm |
| 19:26.41 | bedboi | nothing |
| 19:26.46 | bedboi | it doesn't show up |
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| 19:31.27 | bedboi | mmm |
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| 20:12.17 | jsmanrique | hi |
| 20:13.04 | mimecar | hi jsmanrique |
| 20:34.18 | bedboi | later |
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| 20:44.36 | florian_ | re |
| 20:46.38 | pb_ | hi florian_ |
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| 20:48.13 | florian_ | hi pb_ |
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| 20:54.05 | Philippe | grr, what is wrong with my internet connection? I can surf everywhere except kernel.org and gnu.org |
| 20:54.45 | koen | I guess your routers runs bsd |
| 20:54.55 | koen | -s somewhere |
| 20:54.56 | Philippe | no linux (WRT54G) |
| 20:56.06 | koen | kind of like leffe radieusse but a bit more fruity |
| 20:56.09 | koen | and heavy |
| 20:57.19 | Philippe | koen, hmm, sound really good... |
| 20:57.31 | Philippe | +s somewhere |
| 20:59.16 | koen | yay! |
| 20:59.28 | koen | minimo fails at a later stage now |
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| 21:00.54 | Philippe | mhh, mozilla.org does not work either.... What the hell is wrong here. Random sites work... some *.org have problems... |
| 21:02.56 | koen | Philippe: http://ftp.snt.utwente.nl/pub/linux/kernel/ |
| 21:04.10 | Philippe | koen, this works great! |
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| 21:05.09 | CraHan | I'm seeing gpe-conf take up 100% cpu (or close to that) |
| 21:05.18 | CraHan | is there something it's doing in the bg? |
| 21:06.47 | florian_ | CraHan: no.. that sound s like a bug, which applet is the lat one you used? |
| 21:07.14 | CraHan | applet? as in a toolbar applet? |
| 21:07.30 | CraHan | or general application like today or calendar? |
| 21:07.51 | CraHan | the last one I started were prismstumbler and rxvt, but then I logged out and back in |
| 21:07.59 | CraHan | only thing I started after the login was rxvt |
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| 21:08.16 | florian_ | CraHan: no one which is part of gpe-conf (most if the ones on the settings desk) |
| 21:08.26 | CraHan | ah |
| 21:08.47 | CraHan | dunno |
| 21:08.56 | CraHan | I'll reboot and check for it if it spikes back up |
| 21:09.25 | florian_ | You can do a "killall gpe-conf" as root, that would kill it. |
| 21:09.40 | CraHan | yeah that would 'have been' a better idea :) |
| 21:10.17 | CSMan | heh |
| 21:10.26 | CraHan | oh while I'm waiting for the reboot, is there a way to change the login screen color? |
| 21:10.37 | CraHan | cause that lightblue really looks aweful :) |
| 21:11.01 | florian_ | heh, edit the gpe-login.gtkrc |
| 21:11.10 | CSMan | i'm getting colour errors when trying to use the console |
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| 21:11.42 | CSMan | rxvt or x-terminal-emulator |
| 21:12.02 | koen | x-t-e is a link to rxvt |
| 21:12.31 | CraHan | cpu seems ok now, not really able to reproduce it |
| 21:12.54 | CraHan | although, when I click on control panel, nothing happens |
| 21:13.02 | CraHan | I get the hourglass |
| 21:13.07 | CraHan | but nothing starts up |
| 21:13.18 | CSMan | koen: yeah, i guessed so |
| 21:13.33 | florian_ | CSMan: I think this is related to a deprecated method to allocate colours, i think we could fix that easily... with some free time. |
| 21:13.42 | CSMan | what about the colours.... ok |
| 21:14.41 | florian_ | Its just replacing a couple of #000000 with a different string. |
| 21:14.42 | CSMan | florian_: i got gpe familiar image installed, but minimo doesn't have scrollbars |
| 21:15.15 | CSMan | i'm using telegraphic language |
| 21:15.46 | CSMan | a bit hard to type with a stylus =P |
| 21:16.52 | florian_ | koen: do we have an update for minimo? |
| 21:17.05 | koen | working on that as we speak |
| 21:17.14 | koen | I mail an error to dougt, he replies with a fix |
| 21:17.52 | koen | roundtrip time is ±60 minutes |
| 21:17.55 | Tygger_Bob | Hello all |
| 21:17.59 | Tygger_Bob | koen, man.. that libnet update screwed my sectest-image pretty badly. Was it done for a particular reason? |
| 21:18.00 | koen | hey Tygger_Bob |
| 21:18.05 | Tygger_Bob | We don't have many apps that aren't on the sectest image that require libnet, do we? |
| 21:18.39 | florian_ | koen: heh cool |
| 21:19.01 | koen | dsniff/dsniff_2.3.bb:6:DEPENDS = "virtual/db libpcap libnet libnids openssl"libnids/libnids_1.18.bb:3:DEPENDS = "libnet libpcap"thc/thcrut_1.2.5.bb:3:DEPENDS = "openssl libnet"zcip/zcip_4.bb:2:DEPENDS = "libpcap libnet-1.0.2a" |
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| 21:19.22 | koen | Tygger_Bob: 4 of them (according to grep |
| 21:19.25 | koen | ) |
| 21:19.40 | Tygger_Bob | sorry.. that use the NEW libnet.. |
| 21:19.44 | Tygger_Bob | dsniff won't build with it |
| 21:19.53 | ade|desk | hey up folks |
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| 21:20.08 | ade|desk | how goes it ? |
| 21:20.10 | koen | hey ade|desk |
| 21:20.15 | florian_ | hi ade|desk |
| 21:20.25 | koen | ~curse assignments |
| 21:20.26 | ibot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, assignments ! |
| 21:21.19 | ade|desk | my wife is planning a lesson for her interview tomorrow so i thought i'd stay out the way for a bit, so you lucky people get my thoughts :) |
| 21:21.38 | Tygger_Bob | :) |
| 21:21.54 | Tygger_Bob | ade|desk, been there, done that, |
| 21:22.17 | Tygger_Bob | when my wife works on her prenatal courses, I just go and hide the presentation slides are scary for men :) |
| 21:23.51 | ade|desk | i feel sorry for norway's trees, acid rain is not good ... and the uk is responsible for 16% of it, germany is worse |
| 21:24.13 | Philippe | florian_, did you already check in those gpe-conf fixes? |
| 21:24.33 | florian_ | Philippe: yes |
| 21:25.01 | Philippe | mhhh, I need to get gpe-conf cvs in that image then |
| 21:25.48 | koen | new images with updates gpe bits at http://familiar.handhelds.org/snapshots/v0.8.3/20051201/ |
| 21:31.17 | Philippe | koen, how do I tell in the prefered version to take a cvs version? |
| 21:31.50 | Philippe | ok just saw something that could do the trick... |
| 21:32.02 | koen | PREFERRED_VERSION_foo=0.0+cvs${CVSDATE} (or whatever the PV is set to) |
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| 21:35.49 | CSMan | uhmm , where do i change settings to get pgup/down on a virtual kb? |
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| 21:53.47 | bedboi | florian_: there? |
| 21:58.18 | bedboi | anyone? |
| 21:58.28 | bedboi | koen: there? |
| 22:01.06 | Philippe | hey bedboi |
| 22:02.39 | bedboi | hey Philippe |
| 22:02.50 | bedboi | still struggling with gpe on n770 and usb ethernet support |
| 22:06.00 | Philippe | I cannot get wlan to work unfortunately... |
| 22:06.45 | koen | hey bedboi |
| 22:06.54 | florian_ | "* nomis spots "com.nokia.bme.request" or "/com/nokia/bme/request" as interesting strings in libbattery.so" |
| 22:06.56 | florian_ | re |
| 22:07.00 | florian_ | btw |
| 22:07.09 | florian_ | bedboi: yep |
| 22:07.40 | bedboi | florian_: are you able to work with usb? |
| 22:09.44 | florian_ | bedboi: i didn't try so far, but it is expected to work. |
| 22:10.24 | bedboi | the problem is that usb0 doesn't show up in ifconfig -a |
| 22:12.01 | _law_ | n8 all |
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| 22:14.37 | Philippe | bedboi, where? pc or 770 |
| 22:14.46 | bedboi | pc |
| 22:14.53 | Philippe | modprobe usbnet on the pc is what you probaly need, |
| 22:15.08 | bedboi | i have it |
| 22:15.19 | Philippe | And I think you have to change something in the bootloader with Nokia's flasher so that it supports host mode |
| 22:15.25 | bedboi | bart:/home/bedboi# lsmod | grep usbnet |
| 22:15.25 | bedboi | usbnet 13576 0 |
| 22:15.25 | bedboi | usbcore 109948 5 hci_usb,usbnet,usb_storage,ohci_hcd |
| 22:16.05 | bedboi | --enable-rd-mode |
| 22:16.06 | bedboi | ? |
| 22:16.10 | bedboi | i should have that |
| 22:17.39 | Philippe | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.29 | bedboi | ok |
| 22:18.30 | bedboi | done |
| 22:18.32 | bedboi | let's see |
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| 22:21.43 | bedboi | that's worse |
| 22:21.51 | bedboi | it doesn't show up in dmesg |
| 22:22.31 | Philippe | what does the dmesg of the 770 say? |
| 22:23.42 | koen | a totally untested, patched to the max minimo: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/feed/minimo_0.0cvs20051127-r8_arm.ipk |
| 22:24.49 | bedboi | Philippe: dmesg in maemo is full of: SoftMAC not initialized, chip not booted |
| 22:24.52 | bedboi | tons of them |
| 22:25.04 | Philippe | that is the wifi |
| 22:25.16 | bedboi | k |
| 22:32.41 | florian_ | Philippe: which model is this? |
| 22:32.45 | Philippe | for the ones that want a more up to date image for the 770 (does not solve the connection crap) : http://handhelds.org/~philippe/gpe-image-nokia770-20051201213527.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 22:32.55 | florian_ | hmm.... i asked that before, right? |
| 22:33.21 | florian_ | bedboi: that message goes away after ifup wlan0 |
| 22:33.53 | Philippe | florian_, F5.0 I believe (developer device) |
| 22:34.30 | florian_ | hmm.. i should verify this on mine. |
| 22:34.49 | bedboi | florian_: yes |
| 22:36.55 | florian_ | bedboi: good... so wireless shoud work at least :-} |
| 22:37.02 | bedboi | too bad |
| 22:37.09 | bedboi | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.13 | bedboi | exploded |
| 22:37.18 | bedboi | in my pcmcia slot |
| 22:37.23 | bedboi | so the slot is unusable |
| 22:37.24 | bedboi | :) |
| 22:38.46 | koen | gpe-mini-browser + webcore = 1.2MB, minimo=5MB |
| 22:38.51 | florian_ | bedboi: ! |
| 22:38.59 | florian_ | koen: :-) |
| 22:39.20 | Philippe | florian_, where does that firmware get loaded from? Do we have a copy of the firmware inside the gpe rootfs? |
| 22:40.25 | florian_ | Philippe: no, the file is in the initfs.. |
| 22:41.24 | Philippe | SIOCGFINDEX failed! : no such device (and the firmware is loaded.. |
| 22:42.17 | florian_ | hmm... nasty |
| 22:46.05 | Kompo | darn, they got minimo working with 5mb file size? that's really impressive |
| 22:46.53 | Philippe | Kompo, I think koen only listed the additional space used when one of them is installed |
| 22:47.51 | bedboi | Philippe: also sound doesn't work |
| 22:48.25 | Kompo | Philippe: you mean that they have common dependencies? |
| 22:48.32 | Philippe | bedboi, that is because it is linked to the DSP |
| 22:48.47 | bedboi | what you mean |
| 22:49.25 | Philippe | Kompo, no that is what gets added on top of a normal GPE image. So it more or less means what extra dependencies and extra size they take that are not available by default. |
| 22:49.47 | Philippe | bedboi, that means that the interface is unknown so we cannot provide sound... |
| 22:50.16 | bedboi | coooool |
| 22:50.49 | koen | Philippe: ipkg size |
| 22:51.19 | Philippe | koen, ah. Compressed then? |
| 22:51.33 | koen | yes |
| 22:51.33 | bedboi | usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 7 |
| 22:51.33 | bedboi | usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 2 choices |
| 22:51.35 | florian_ | Philippe: well... we should be able grab the modules from the normal fs and use for gpe. |
| 22:51.38 | bedboi | this is what i get on my PC |
| 22:51.41 | koen | but jffs2 compresses too |
| 22:51.52 | florian_ | bedboi: ahhh |
| 22:52.57 | bedboi | any hint? |
| 22:53.18 | bedboi | btw what's the interface maemo uses for sound? |
| 22:53.28 | koen | gstreamer |
| 22:53.39 | bedboi | i mean device |
| 22:55.39 | Philippe | night all |
| 22:56.31 | florian_ | Philippe: good night |
| 22:57.40 | ade|desk | night folks |
| 23:01.58 | bedboi | florian_: what about a gpe on n770 wiki page? |
| 23:02.29 | bedboi | or maybe SetFreeYourN770 |
| 23:05.10 | koen | Kompo: minimo is 12.2MB on an ext2 system |
| 23:05.37 | *** join/#gpe bedboi (n=bedboi@217.201.67.186) |
| 23:06.08 | Kompo | koen: ok. that's still not impossible |
| 23:06.27 | Kompo | i guess webcore expands with similar ratio |
| 23:07.04 | koen | the parts gpe-mini-browser uses should be a lot smaller |
| 23:10.11 | bedboi | grrrr |
| 23:10.34 | bedboi | usbview shows an ethernet gadget on my pc |
| 23:14.28 | *** join/#gpe lamikr (n=chatzill@aragorn.kortex.jyu.fi) |
| 23:34.38 | florian_ | bedboi: Well... why not, maybe some folks want to try that. |
| 23:34.57 | florian_ | koen: minimo itself only? |
| 23:36.33 | lamikr | hi florian... I am finally back in irc... It takes sometimes suprisingly many days to install server from scratch and then make sure that all stuff from old one is transfered and working... |
| 23:37.33 | florian_ | hi lamikr |
| 23:38.14 | florian_ | lamikr: indeed... that reminds me that i need to update some servers. |
| 23:39.57 | lamikr | I would now be ready to setup my monotone keys for oe... I have now monotone 0.22 put noticed that 0.24 has different key handling... Which mt version you are using? |
| 23:42.22 | florian_ | let me check... |
| 23:42.54 | florian_ | oh well, i have 0.20 installed |
| 23:45.06 | lamikr | I had also earlier. |
| 23:48.00 | florian_ | i have 0.23 in ubuntu... |
| 23:48.44 | lamikr | There is in wiki: Generate your monotone public key. (monotone --db=/stuff/oe.db genkey <preferred email address>) Does this also generate the private key and put it into oe.db? |
| 23:49.26 | florian_ | iirc yes |
| 23:49.54 | lamikr | So, it is then better that I do not give my oe.db to anybody... |
| 23:51.37 | *** join/#gpe nomis (i=simon@vmax.unix-ag.uni-siegen.de) |
| 23:53.09 | florian_ | lamikr: right, but you can remove it from the db somehow. |
| 23:53.52 | florian_ | nomis: a little bit late, but maybe it would be a good idea to document that stuff somewhere :-) |
| 23:54.08 | nomis | Hrm, Ok :) |