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| 00:43.06 | florian | good night |
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| 08:51.17 | XorA | morning |
| 08:53.44 | koen | hey XorA |
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| 08:54.13 | shiyee | morning all :-) |
| 08:54.16 | bedboi | hi there |
| 09:00.27 | kammicazze | morning |
| 09:02.50 | koen | hey shiyee & bedboi & kammicazze |
| 09:04.26 | bedboi | koen: hi there |
| 09:04.36 | bedboi | i ported libgpeplugin to maemo |
| 09:04.46 | bedboi | well, i just make the deb :) |
| 09:05.28 | koen | does that mean we can have a sudoku home applet? |
| 09:05.54 | bedboi | i studied home applet in this week end |
| 09:06.00 | bedboi | to make gpe-today an home applet |
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| 09:06.12 | bedboi | btw i have some problems producing the .deb |
| 09:06.19 | bedboi | it's a sort of voodoo for me |
| 09:06.28 | rob_w | hi |
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| 09:11.50 | koen | hey rob_w |
| 09:38.46 | rob_w | morning koen |
| 09:44.39 | rob_w | seems the apm "hack" for xserver-kdrive did solve also my "crashing matchbox on resume " problem .. now the session is alive and usable after the resume ! juhu |
| 09:52.40 | koen | rob_w: congrats |
| 09:54.22 | rob_w | well congrats to whom it found !! |
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| 09:55.07 | koen | I think that was XorA |
| 09:56.21 | rob_w | yeah i i hope i can also understand the magic of apmd and /etc/apm/ stuff ... it doesnt seem to work with me , yet i deperatly need those functions in order to prepare the suspend a bit more and pivot back to ram to unmount the sd and stuff |
| 09:59.36 | koen | it's all emulated anyway |
| 09:59.48 | koen | ARM doesn't have apm or acpi |
| 10:00.34 | koen | suspend with root on sd should work, I'm using that on my h2210 |
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| 10:09.50 | florian_kc | good morning |
| 10:20.04 | koen | hey florian_kc |
| 10:22.04 | florian_kc | With some luck we can export events from the calendar soon.... |
| 10:22.13 | koen | I saw the commit |
| 10:22.52 | florian_kc | In fact we can, but i didn't test the results so far. And the ui needs some love... |
| 10:23.12 | koen | I think you can use ph5s patch to make it work with both dbus apis |
| 10:23.12 | koen | s/use/reuse/ |
| 10:23.53 | florian_kc | right... that's a good idea, we should apply these patches soon. |
| 10:31.55 | rob_w | koen but does the sd card really sleep and dont take power ??? |
| 10:32.35 | rob_w | i do see mmc message indicating that but yet our suspend time is to little .. so we do still have to much hardware not suspending properly |
| 10:32.43 | _law_ | fixed gkdial gconf-dbus bug :-) |
| 10:34.11 | _law_ | /usr/share/dbus-1/services/gconf.server was missing |
| 10:34.22 | florian_kc | _law_: cool! oh... |
| 10:35.00 | _law_ | s/gconf.server/gconf.service |
| 10:35.30 | _law_ | perhabs gnumeric preferences also work again? |
| 10:35.55 | florian_kc | yes that's very likely |
| 10:39.08 | _law_ | florian_kc, perhabs you could add this do the gconf-dbus.bb |
| 10:39.34 | florian_kc | _law_: yes - many thanks for debugging this! |
| 10:39.47 | _law_ | florian_kc, np |
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| 10:51.24 | koen | more important: gnome-games will work! |
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| 11:08.01 | florian_kc | I think that fix should do the trick... |
| 11:20.01 | florian_kc | koen: i just found out latest oe images for the 770 don't work... and debugging without a serial console is ehem... complicated. |
| 11:23.05 | koen | that sucks |
| 11:30.00 | bedboi | hi florian_kc |
| 11:30.12 | bedboi | i have gpe-today working with libgpeplugin |
| 11:30.22 | bedboi | btw i don't know why it doesn't work on maemo |
| 11:31.18 | koen | florian_kc: the dbus fix is in the branch too |
| 11:34.07 | florian_kc | bedboi: cool! |
| 11:34.29 | florian_kc | koen: thanks! |
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| 12:09.35 | dan2003 | is there a pdf viewer for gpe? |
| 12:09.47 | koen | evince or gpdf |
| 12:10.12 | dan2003 | k cheers |
| 12:12.04 | _law_ | florian_kc, cant find any difference in the new gconf-dbus .bb file |
| 12:12.34 | koen | _law_: is yours r6 or r7? |
| 12:13.13 | katossi | I have added some packages to my customized gpe image, they are compile but they're not installed in the image |
| 12:13.22 | katossi | should I do something extra? |
| 12:15.34 | _law_ | koen, r7 |
| 12:16.39 | koen | FILES_${PN} was modified |
| 12:16.46 | koen | see http://handhelds.org/hypermail/oe-commits/21/2189.html |
| 12:22.47 | florian_kc | katossi: sounds like you added them to the DEPENDS but not to the RDEPENDS. |
| 12:27.57 | koen | bbl |
| 12:32.29 | _law_ | florian_kc, there is no gconf.service in /usr/share/dbus-1/services/ in r7 |
| 12:39.59 | katossi | florian_kc: I thought so too, but I have DEPENDS and RDEPENDS |
| 12:45.35 | florian_kc | hrm |
| 12:46.23 | florian_kc | _law_: oh dear... that might be a bug in the upstream version. |
| 12:46.52 | florian_kc | _law_: does theis file go to a wrong location maybe? |
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| 13:17.07 | _law_ | has anyone build evince in a newer version then 0.3.2? |
| 13:21.50 | koen|uni | _law_: newer version require a later (and incompatible) version of cairo |
| 13:22.21 | _law_ | koen|uni, :-( |
| 13:22.48 | koen|uni | gpe/gtk 2.8 will handle that |
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| 13:41.06 | koen|uni | hey zecke |
| 13:52.27 | bedboi | florian_kc: if you want i can give you libgpeplugin and gpe-today |
| 13:52.52 | koen|uni | screenshots! |
| 13:56.37 | _law_ | florian_kc, is it normal that the gkdial connection dialog is always on the top? |
| 13:58.43 | koen|uni | florian_kc: did you see the patch for gpe-conf in the gpe mailinglist? |
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| 14:35.48 | florian_kc | re |
| 14:36.23 | florian_kc | bedboi: that would be nice... it it works maybe check it in :-) |
| 14:36.46 | florian_kc | _law_: i think so, but we should change this - that's useless on a PDA. |
| 14:36.53 | bedboi | i can check in libgpeplugin |
| 14:36.55 | bedboi | it works |
| 14:37.08 | bedboi | how to add new applications to GPE cvs? |
| 14:37.20 | bedboi | and do i need to ask someone for adding it? |
| 14:37.29 | Debolaz | Question... why doesn't familiar output the kernel messages to serial console by default? |
| 14:40.32 | florian_kc | bedboi: just do it, new bits are not critical. just put it in place in your tree and "cvs add" the directory and whatever is in it which needs to go to cvs. try to avoid checking in generated stuff like "configure". |
| 14:41.15 | florian_kc | Debolaz: It does on some devices, the bootloader defaults to set console to /dev/ttySA0 which is on for sa but not for pxa. |
| 14:44.32 | bedboi | i'll do it |
| 14:47.45 | Debolaz | Ah. |
| 14:55.13 | florian_kc | koen|uni: yes... interesting that i didn't get a bugzilla mail so far. |
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| 14:57.51 | bedboi | florian_kc: i cleaned the tree. |
| 14:57.56 | bedboi | florian_kc: how to add it? |
| 14:58.06 | koen|uni | florian_kc: the MAINTAINER for that ipkg is oe@handhelds.org |
| 14:58.07 | bedboi | cvs add libgpeplugin libgpeplugin/ ? |
| 14:58.21 | bedboi | ops |
| 14:58.25 | bedboi | cvs add libgpeplugin/ ? |
| 14:58.36 | florian_kc | bedboi: exactly |
| 14:58.56 | florian_kc | after that you can cvs add the files in that directory. |
| 14:59.11 | florian_kc | koen|uni: ah... very clever.. |
| 15:00.47 | bedboi | ok done it. is there a way to add all files recursively? |
| 15:01.22 | bedboi | maybe i should use cvs import |
| 15:02.40 | florian_kc | bedboi: that might be possible... |
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| 16:43.16 | koen | bedboi: for i in `find .` | xargs cvs add |
| 16:43.20 | koen | would that work? |
| 16:43.23 | Debolaz | florian_kc: Wednesday I should be able to experiment with prismstumbler. |
| 16:44.17 | bedboi | koen: me neither |
| 16:44.26 | bedboi | it will generate plenty of cvs commit |
| 16:45.06 | koen | cvs add * */* ? |
| 16:45.10 | Debolaz | I loathe CVS. |
| 16:45.11 | Debolaz | :/ |
| 16:45.26 | koen | ~lart larry |
| 16:45.39 | florian_kc | Debolaz: cool - i need to test it too, but my time is terribly limited this week. |
| 16:45.44 | bedboi | i feel i have to use cvs import |
| 16:46.24 | florian_kc | bedboi: It isn't committed before you use cvs ci so that is no problem at all. |
| 16:46.37 | Debolaz | florian_kc: The main issue is getting a computer I can use for testing, since I'm in Windows here and my iPAQ certainly doesn't have the space for any development. :) |
| 16:47.11 | bedboi | florian_kc: are you sure? |
| 16:47.26 | bedboi | florian_kc: check the cia bot |
| 16:49.30 | florian_kc | bedboi: yes... the bot picks this up because cvs queries the server to check if that file is already there. imho that's a bug... cvstrac gets it right: http://handhelds.org:8080/gpe/timeline |
| 16:49.45 | bedboi | ah, ojk |
| 16:49.51 | bedboi | so i'll flood #handhelds.org |
| 16:49.52 | bedboi | :) |
| 16:50.19 | Debolaz | florian_kc: That's been one thing that annoys me with familiar in general, it's such a treadfull process to get online with wifi. It's relatively simple to do through command line, but graphical applications are lacking. :/ |
| 16:50.21 | florian_kc | bedboi: yeah... |
| 16:50.36 | bedboi | trying as koen suggested |
| 16:51.24 | florian_kc | Debolaz: that's true, we really need to improve this... i think that will become easier when we introduce the control framework. |
| 16:56.46 | bedboi | $ find . | xargs cvs add |
| 16:56.46 | bedboi | cvs add: cannot add special file `.'; skipping |
| 16:56.46 | bedboi | cvs [add aborted]: there is a version in ./src already |
| 16:57.00 | bedboi | florian_kc: we really should do that (the control framework) |
| 16:57.16 | bedboi | florian_kc: we need it more than maemo guys |
| 16:57.26 | bedboi | because they just support n770 |
| 16:57.48 | bedboi | but we support a wide variety of devices |
| 16:59.23 | bedboi | please try libgpeplugin |
| 17:00.54 | florian_kc | bedboi: that's true... i like that libosso, but it is missing a pile of necessary functions :-/ we need a more functional backend and an api to implement support for new devices in an easy way. |
| 17:00.58 | florian_kc | okay |
| 17:01.43 | bedboi | yep |
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| 17:02.25 | koen | florian_kc: and run all device stuff over dbus? |
| 17:03.13 | bedboi | i think that maemo stuff is a little too overengineered |
| 17:10.22 | florian_kc | koen: maybe not everything - e.g. for user settings like themes and that stuff it isn't necessary, but in order to provide non-root hardware control dbus is a good idea. |
| 17:10.32 | florian_kc | bedboi: some of it, yes... |
| 17:14.02 | florian_kc | bedboi: and the order of the dialog buttons is wrong ;-) |
| 17:20.19 | bedboi | what? |
| 17:20.29 | bedboi | ah yep |
| 17:20.50 | bedboi | i announced libgpeplugin to the list |
| 17:20.54 | florian_kc | bedboi: config.status: error: cannot find input file: src/Makefile.in |
| 17:21.08 | bedboi | hmmm |
| 17:21.23 | bedboi | aclocal |
| 17:21.24 | bedboi | autoconf |
| 17:21.25 | bedboi | automake |
| 17:21.30 | bedboi | ./configure |
| 17:21.39 | bedboi | the autotools ritual |
| 17:21.46 | bedboi | should work |
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| 17:22.33 | bedboi | florian_kc: if you want i can give you the hacked gpe-todo |
| 17:22.34 | koen | bedboi: src/ is empty |
| 17:22.38 | bedboi | oh, cool |
| 17:23.02 | bedboi | koen: can you pastebin find . |
| 17:23.02 | bedboi | ? |
| 17:23.07 | koen | http://handhelds.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/gpe/base/libgpeplugin/src/ |
| 17:23.20 | koen | it only added the toplevel files |
| 17:23.33 | bedboi | GRRRR |
| 17:23.46 | koen | see the filelist on top of http://handhelds.org:8080/gpe/chngview?cn=748 |
| 17:23.54 | florian_kc | bedboi: very good |
| 17:24.00 | bedboi | i'll add it |
| 17:24.11 | florian_kc | bedboi: that would be cool |
| 17:24.43 | bedboi | how to unschedule a file |
| 17:25.02 | bedboi | cvs delete? |
| 17:26.31 | florian_kc | bedboi: right... -f deletes locally too. |
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| 17:28.32 | bedboi | please cvs up |
| 17:29.00 | bedboi | doh |
| 17:29.03 | bedboi | i committed Makefiles |
| 17:29.22 | florian_kc | hey devesh |
| 17:30.32 | florian_kc | bedboi: ah... cvs up looks good. |
| 17:31.21 | bedboi | ok |
| 17:31.27 | bedboi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.04 | bedboi | florian_kc: does it compile? |
| 17:32.28 | devesh | florian:hi |
| 17:32.29 | florian_kc | ~lart autotools |
| 17:32.53 | bedboi | florian_kc: what's up? |
| 17:33.39 | Debolaz | Btw, for much much much later, it'd be kinda cool to have a kind of progress or status bar in the GPE startup picture. |
| 17:33.50 | Debolaz | Stuff like "Initializing network" perchance. |
| 17:34.01 | florian_kc | bedboi: some competely useless error messages... |
| 17:34.31 | florian_kc | Debolaz: yes, that would be pretty nice to have. |
| 17:34.49 | florian_kc | bedboi: yes - it compiles. |
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| 17:36.25 | bedboi | ok |
| 17:36.32 | bedboi | florian_kc: do you want gpe-today hacked? |
| 17:36.35 | bedboi | just to test it |
| 17:36.47 | bedboi | florian_kc: i plan to add cool features btw |
| 17:37.28 | bedboi | something which takes glade xml and puts plugins in boxes defined |
| 17:37.37 | bedboi | btw i need to think about it |
| 17:37.46 | bedboi | it should be really a cool feature imho |
| 17:38.31 | Debolaz | For someday sooner, fix Owner Information, it doesn't seem to store anything when edited as a normal user. (Permission problems obviously, but still, needed fixing last time I tried) |
| 17:38.39 | bedboi | anyone knows how to run a sysctl in a C application? |
| 17:40.59 | florian_kc | bedboi: yes sure... |
| 17:41.14 | bedboi | modular GUIs are cool |
| 17:43.39 | florian_kc | bedboi: yeah... that would be cool, that's something we need to make work on maemo as well... then we can tell all the world we turned the 770 into a pda ;-) |
| 17:44.14 | bedboi | i think that the glade stuff is not that difficult to implement |
| 17:44.32 | bedboi | hmmm. |
| 17:44.40 | bedboi | cool |
| 17:44.48 | florian_kc | Debolaz: uh... that would be bad, that's supposed to work |
| 17:44.55 | bedboi | i think that libgpeplugin + libglade would work |
| 17:44.58 | florian_kc | Let me test... |
| 17:45.02 | bedboi | i have to study libglade btw :) |
| 17:46.45 | florian_kc | Debolaz: With which version of gpe-conf and in which image does this fail for you? I can't reproduce this on my iPaq. |
| 17:47.01 | koen | bedboi: screenshots of the new gpe-today? |
| 17:47.35 | florian_kc | koen: The distribution names of the unstable oe images suck... |
| 17:48.25 | bedboi | koen: nope. |
| 17:48.25 | koen | florian_kc: the names of the release ones don't |
| 17:48.31 | koen | and that's what matters |
| 17:48.32 | mreimer_ | hey koen |
| 17:48.35 | koen | hey mreimer_ |
| 17:48.56 | florian_kc | ~fishslap koen |
| 17:49.00 | koen | mreimer_: the h2210 is still up without a reboot :) |
| 17:49.11 | mreimer_ | koen: excellent! |
| 17:50.01 | mreimer_ | koen: I hope to get that list of things to fix for h2200/OE up today sometime. |
| 17:51.19 | Debolaz | florian_kc: It didn't work on my ipaq with the snapshot from 11th october, but I've just updated my snapshot again to the most recent, so don't panic untill I've tried it there. :) |
| 17:52.14 | florian_kc | Debolaz: okay... i used a version of gpe-conf released later. the only difference i can imagine is that my one isn't oe-built. |
| 17:53.46 | bedboi | i have the needed bits in mind |
| 17:54.16 | florian_kc | bedboi: yep... i think that will be pretty easy. |
| 17:55.01 | bedboi | florian_kc: you just use glade-2 to prode an xml file made of Vboxes and HBoxes |
| 17:55.21 | bedboi | then in the code you assign to vbox1 plugin_foo, to vbox2, plugin_bar |
| 17:55.25 | bedboi | and something like that |
| 17:55.33 | bedboi | cool |
| 17:56.00 | Debolaz | florian_kc: Seems to work now actually. Though it behaved a bit weird, it didn't update it the first time I entered the data, but it did the second now. |
| 17:56.32 | Debolaz | I'm fairly confident I didn't press "cancel". |
| 17:57.51 | florian_kc | Debolaz: strange indeed... |
| 17:57.59 | philippe | evening all |
| 17:57.59 | florian_kc | hi philippe |
| 17:58.10 | koen | hey philippe |
| 17:58.19 | philippe | hey koen, florian_kc bedboi |
| 17:59.34 | koen | libgpeplugin looks like bonobo/kparts |
| 18:00.21 | philippe | without bonobo :-) |
| 18:01.28 | koen | or kdelibs |
| 18:01.33 | bedboi | koen: don't know that |
| 18:01.48 | bedboi | koen: maybe i reinvented the wheel, btw the code is really simple |
| 18:01.57 | bedboi | it fits in 200 lines |
| 18:02.10 | koen | bonobo fits in ehm... |
| 18:02.13 | koen | 2M lines? |
| 18:02.16 | florian_kc | *g* |
| 18:02.24 | bedboi | that's quite too much for us |
| 18:02.29 | bedboi | we can't afford it |
| 18:02.35 | florian_kc | I wonder if we couldl use this for a modular desktop app :-) |
| 18:02.37 | bedboi | btw i really don't know how bonobo works |
| 18:02.44 | florian_kc | this and maybe plug windows... |
| 18:03.48 | florian_kc | bedboi: If you code a plugin offering a plug window you could dock a panel app to it imho... e.g. that wireless and battery status. |
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| 18:07.03 | philippe | florian_kc, put that in gpe-buttonbar maybe? |
| 18:09.19 | florian_kc | philippe: anothere idea... |
| 18:09.35 | bedboi | what's gpe-buttonbar? |
| 18:09.44 | bedboi | some fancy application which doesn't exists? |
| 18:10.19 | philippe | bedboi, it does exists. It is some kind of fancy launcher |
| 18:10.29 | bedboi | do we use it? |
| 18:10.45 | florian_kc | bedboi: that's pretty much exists... it shows running applications and is able to launch them. |
| 18:10.51 | bedboi | ah, ok |
| 18:11.07 | bedboi | ~lart bedboi's brain |
| 18:11.08 | florian_kc | bedboi: not yet, but it wouldn't be too hard to use. |
| 18:11.49 | philippe | bedboi, for an example see here http://handhelds.org/~gpe/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Applications&id=netbook |
| 18:13.47 | bedboi | checking |
| 18:14.49 | bedboi | ah, cool |
| 18:14.55 | bedboi | yep it's really easy using plugins |
| 18:15.09 | bedboi | you can add a vbox to that where plugins are stored |
| 18:15.11 | bedboi | :) |
| 18:16.13 | bedboi | plugin_init (some_vbox_in_the_bar, GPE_VERTICAL) |
| 18:16.18 | bedboi | don't remember if GPE_VERTICAL |
| 18:21.30 | philippe | euuh bedboi. Small question. Where is the gpeplugin code? |
| 18:21.44 | bedboi | philippe: what? |
| 18:21.46 | bedboi | src |
| 18:21.52 | bedboi | it is just 200 lines of code |
| 18:21.55 | philippe | or I am blind and cannot find it in the mail.. |
| 18:22.00 | philippe | the sources yes. |
| 18:22.01 | bedboi | ah, cvs |
| 18:22.03 | bedboi | :) |
| 18:22.05 | bedboi | cvs co |
| 18:22.07 | philippe | ok :-) |
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| 18:30.15 | weizbox | hellos |
| 18:32.04 | koen | hey weizbox |
| 18:34.15 | weizbox | i feel like a tard for asking.. but where is the .83 release snapshots? |
| 18:34.17 | weizbox | oh.. |
| 18:34.24 | weizbox | blah, nm.. missed it in the title |
| 18:34.24 | weizbox | :) |
| 18:41.36 | florian_kc | hehe |
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| 18:42.22 | florian_kc | Nils just installed the latest snapshot and said: "Hey... that GPE stuff looks pretty nice!" |
| 18:42.44 | bedboi | does it work on n770? |
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| 18:43.18 | weizbox | oh yea? im going to load it up on my 5500 now |
| 18:44.07 | philippe | sounds good :-) |
| 18:44.26 | weizbox | indeed. and then as well to figure out how to compile up mini-browser |
| 18:44.35 | weizbox | make sure to get everyhrting i need etc |
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| 18:45.48 | koen | hey TyggerBob |
| 18:45.54 | TyggerBob | Heya Koen |
| 18:45.54 | philippe | weizbox, the snapshot should be configured with the right feeds (and I think the mini-browser is in the images for 5500) |
| 18:46.08 | weizbox | ah nice.. |
| 18:46.12 | weizbox | glad the feeds are working now |
| 18:46.19 | koen | philippe: the snapshots do not have the right feeds |
| 18:46.19 | weizbox | last version i had to edit them up :) |
| 18:46.24 | weizbox | oh... |
| 18:46.30 | weizbox | well looks like ill have to do it again |
| 18:46.31 | weizbox | heh |
| 18:46.50 | philippe | koen, oh ok. I never tried it... Well I know now for sure they are not. |
| 18:46.52 | koen | the gui packagemanager should be able to handle it now |
| 18:47.51 | florian_kc | bedboi: that was on an ipay, but yes... i have a fresh image now. |
| 18:51.28 | florian_kc | ah... we are in business |
| 18:58.20 | TyggerBob | koen, is there something new in 2.7 that makes it boot slower? |
| 18:58.38 | TyggerBob | I find that image you made me last week takes significantly longer to boot up that others most of the time. |
| 18:58.44 | TyggerBob | on my h5455 |
| 18:59.20 | koen | TyggerBob: nothing that I know off |
| 18:59.25 | TyggerBob | k.. |
| 18:59.39 | TyggerBob | sometimes it just hangs at the bootsplash screen |
| 18:59.47 | TyggerBob | and I have to reset to get it to boot |
| 18:59.58 | koen | yeah, that a h5xxx issue |
| 19:00.08 | koen | it hangs after modprobe h5400_asic |
| 19:00.12 | TyggerBob | ahhh |
| 19:01.38 | koen | _law_: did the service file belong in /lib or /usr/share? |
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| 19:02.38 | _law_ | koen: dont know havent installed new version yet. :-) |
| 19:03.39 | _law_ | koen: i have put the file into /usr/share by hand |
| 19:06.08 | weizbox | koen, where is the location of your pkg feed? |
| 19:06.39 | weizbox | all i remember from it is the "ew".. and possibly a "t" and an "i"... mabye 54... |
| 19:06.40 | weizbox | hah |
| 19:06.46 | koen | http://familiar.handhelds.org/snapshots/v0.8.3/feed/ |
| 19:07.03 | koen | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/feed |
| 19:07.15 | weizbox | heh, w00t |
| 19:07.19 | weizbox | thanks :) |
| 19:08.51 | koen | florian_kc: I think I fixed the problem with gconf dbus, can I commit the fix? |
| 19:09.53 | _law_ | koen: i think it is already fixed? |
| 19:10.06 | koen | _law_: not really |
| 19:10.26 | koen | gconf-dbus install it in the wrong place (/usr/lib) and florian's fix didn't work |
| 19:11.29 | _law_ | koen: i only created a gconf.service file in /usr/share/dbus-1/services and gkdial works fine |
| 19:12.43 | _law_ | has anyone installed abiword 2.4.1? |
| 19:13.06 | _law_ | i only get this error http://pastebin.com/420720 |
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| 19:13.42 | koen | I got that too, but XorA|gone said it worked for him |
| 19:25.31 | koen | _law_: r8 is working for me |
| 19:26.38 | _law_ | koen: will try it later, gpe-bluetooth couldnt find libmimedir-0.2.so.0 :-( have do rebuild it |
| 19:32.51 | florian_kc | koen: yes please! |
| 19:32.58 | _law_ | koen: can you change the default font in gnumeric? |
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| 19:36.36 | _law_ | gpe-bluetooth alway requires libmimedir-0.2.so.0 :-( have rebuild it yet |
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| 19:39.25 | florian_kc | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.24837.png |
| 19:39.30 | florian_kc | hi shiyee |
| 19:42.13 | shiyee | hi florian_kc |
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| 19:52.25 | _law_ | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.25834.png gpe-mini-browser over gprs rocks ;-) |
| 19:54.26 | rob_w | _law_, is that the 770 ? |
| 19:54.51 | _law_ | rob_w: no my Sl-760c |
| 19:55.49 | rob_w | does that have gprs in build ? |
| 19:58.15 | _law_ | yes i have connect it with my nokia bluetooth phone |
| 19:59.25 | rob_w | ah |
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| 20:15.24 | TyggerBob | Hey all |
| 20:16.21 | pb_ | Hi Bob |
| 20:22.37 | TyggerBob | Heya Phil |
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| 21:08.36 | TyggerBob | I saw Koen say earlier that the feeds coded into the images don't work.. |
| 21:08.48 | TyggerBob | what's the base URL for the working feeds... |
| 21:11.47 | weizbox | for .83? |
| 21:11.56 | weizbox | http://familiar.handhelds.org/snapshots/v0.8.3/feed/ |
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| 21:13.52 | mimecar | evening |
| 21:14.05 | weizbox | hello |
| 21:14.55 | mimecar | hi weizbox |
| 21:17.18 | TyggerBob | hrm.. I can't even ping familiar.handhelds.org.. |
| 21:17.32 | weizbox | can you ping google? |
| 21:17.33 | weizbox | :) |
| 21:17.42 | TyggerBob | uuhh . yeah |
| 21:17.51 | weizbox | hah, just checking |
| 21:17.51 | TyggerBob | handhelds.org works though.. |
| 21:17.53 | TyggerBob | got it.. thanks |
| 21:17.56 | weizbox | hrrmm |
| 21:18.14 | weizbox | k :) |
| 21:18.58 | TyggerBob | hrm.. well. ping worked anyway :) |
| 21:19.58 | TyggerBob | hrmm.. weird.. |
| 21:20.09 | TyggerBob | I can get to familiar.handhelds.org from my workstation, but not the iPAQ |
| 21:20.44 | mimecar | TyggerBob: are connecting with a wifi card or with pc? |
| 21:21.15 | TyggerBob | wifi on the iPQ |
| 21:21.17 | TyggerBob | iPAQ |
| 21:21.27 | TyggerBob | resolv.conf looks fine |
| 21:21.37 | TyggerBob | and I can ping google and handhelds.org |
| 21:22.11 | mimecar | ipkg update ? |
| 21:22.39 | TyggerBob | that's what was failing |
| 21:23.42 | _law_ | n8 |
| 21:23.51 | koen | 'night _law_ |
| 21:23.59 | TyggerBob | never mind.. I figured it out.. |
| 21:24.28 | koen | that must be painfull |
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| 21:24.34 | koen | slapping in your head |
| 21:24.43 | weizbox | heh |
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| 21:24.57 | TyggerBob | I still had the ../base etc on the end of the feed lines in the conf files |
| 21:25.58 | mimecar | hi koen |
| 21:26.09 | koen | hey mimecar |
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| 22:43.19 | philippe | anybody knows which function replaces gpe_find_icon? |
| 22:43.57 | koen | heh |
| 22:43.58 | koen | http://handhelds.org:8080/gpe/getfile/gpe/base/libgpeplugin/debian/copyright?v=1.1 |
| 22:44.15 | koen | looks like nils has hired bedboi as a ghostwriter |
| 22:46.45 | philippe | koen, nice find:-) |
| 22:46.47 | pb_ | philippe: nothing |
| 22:47.30 | philippe | pb_, ah ok. It seems to be marked as deprecated though. So I guess I should work with the gpe icons struct then? |
| 22:47.54 | pb_ | Where is it marked as deprecated? |
| 22:48.47 | philippe | 0 -lgmodule-2.0 -ldl -lglib-2.0 -lsqlite |
| 22:48.47 | philippe | main.o: In function `mark_started': |
| 22:48.47 | philippe | /home/fille/mydev/gpe-timesheet/main.c:116: warning: warning: gpe_find_icon_pixmap is obsolescent. |
| 22:48.56 | philippe | when compiling gpe-timesheet. |
| 22:49.23 | pb_ | That would appear to be gpe_find_icon_pixmap, which is not the same function as gpe_find_icon. |
| 22:50.29 | pb_ | The former is indeed obsolescent, being largely replaced by the latter. |
| 22:50.50 | philippe | oeps sorry. Got a bit confused ... |
| 22:51.11 | philippe | So I should replace gpe_find_icon_pixmap by gpe_find_icon then i guess :-) |
| 22:51.19 | pb_ | good plan :-) |
| 22:53.49 | philippe | pb_, sorry for the confusion and thanks for the help. |
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| 22:54.52 | florian | re |
| 22:54.58 | lamikr | Hi florian |
| 22:55.29 | philippe | wb florian |
| 22:55.34 | philippe | hello lamikr |
| 22:55.51 | lamikr | Hi philippe! Did you got the mail? |
| 22:56.10 | philippe | lamikr, yes. Did not get a chance to download the stuff |
| 22:56.43 | philippe | btw I know where the thing actually is. I already have been there once and was there also on saturday |
| 22:56.44 | lamikr | ok... My computer was also a down for couple of hours in the morning... |
| 22:57.11 | lamikr | Oh, is near to downtown? |
| 22:58.21 | philippe | Well it is pretty close to the railway station |
| 22:58.53 | lamikr | Is to from railway station to universitys library direction or to "Hämeenkatu"? |
| 22:59.01 | philippe | which is not far from downtown anyway (depending on what downtown is in Tampere) |
| 22:59.47 | philippe | lamikr, well if the uni library is north of the station it is that way... |
| 23:00.35 | philippe | basically if you get out of the station you just pass in front of the scandic hotel and on the street corner with the Irish pub and the sexshop you go right. It should be on your right then. |
| 23:00.51 | philippe | Of course I could meet you at the station and walk you down there :-) |
| 23:01.04 | lamikr | Not sure from the directions, but it's anyway good that it is near... My friend lives near to hämeenkatu, but about 1,5 kilometers from railway station to downtown... |
| 23:01.55 | lamikr | That sounds good! I have not yet talked with my friend but I am 90 % sure I will come. |
| 23:02.22 | lamikr | Is this place a good rock clup? |
| 23:02.48 | philippe | lamikr, it is not bad at all. I like it. (well only been there twice) |
| 23:03.44 | lamikr | Ok, I want to come... I hope you will like from the waltari. Some likes it some others hate... |
| 23:05.01 | philippe | lamikr, your friend must live on the whole other side of Hameenkatu as it starts at the station :-) |
| 23:05.35 | lamikr | Do you know the Tampere Library (not the universitys one) He lives near to it. |
| 23:07.22 | philippe | lamikr, yes. Well that is at the opposite end of hameenkatu indeed. Well that is not far. Just a 8min walk. |
| 23:07.59 | lamikr | yeah, something like that. Btw, to other things. Do you know command for setting volume up or down? (I have now got all other keys except volume up and volume down mapped) |
| 23:08.36 | lamikr | ls |
| 23:10.04 | philippe | lamikr, sorry. I have no clue about the buttons... |
| 23:10.28 | philippe | There are not enough buttons to do that on my Ipaq anyway |
| 23:12.35 | koen | I don't think we have a cmdline app to do volume munging |
| 23:12.40 | lamikr | I have worked with the keyboard driver for the ipaq h6300 and want now utilize those keys. I have joypad, volume up, volume down, record, contacts, mail, phone on, phone off, power. |
| 23:13.53 | lamikr | Does other ipaqs have volume buttons? |
| 23:14.19 | koen | h5xxx |
| 23:16.23 | lamikr | To get support for all buttons, I should need to get somehow OE to install h6300 specific version from the /etc/gpe/key-layout... Would that be possible? |
| 23:18.33 | koen | I think that file is managed by a package and not OE |
| 23:19.09 | koen | but you could override than an install a specifix key-layout |
| 23:20.11 | lamikr | Yes, it is coming from gpe-conf, it has only one of those. Same layout than we use could propably be used also by h5xxx. |
| 23:20.54 | lamikr | What is the recommended way of handling these overrides? |
| 23:24.16 | koen | the recommended way is to poke florian about gpe-conf, the hackish way is a do_install_append_h6300() which overwrites the file |
| 23:24.54 | lamikr | Well, I will poke florian :-) |
| 23:26.50 | lamikr | Btw, the 2.6.14 kernel patch that you applied had one bug... I cleaned the code too much, and it stopped to initing joypad buttons. I need to send another patch soon. |
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| 23:38.53 | koen | hey jake_ :) |
| 23:38.59 | jake_ | hey koen.. |
| 23:39.24 | jake_ | Weren't I here just awhile ago and left when I noticed that channel is sleeping..? |
| 23:39.40 | koen | napping :) |
| 23:39.53 | philippe | hello jake_ |
| 23:40.03 | jake_ | hey lamikr |
| 23:40.17 | jake_ | I wasn't able to query you because I am not registered @ freenode.net |
| 23:40.27 | lamikr | Hi! |
| 23:40.32 | jake_ | That's propably why you didn't answer :) |
| 23:40.37 | jake_ | You speak finnish, right? |
| 23:41.00 | lamikr | Yes, nblnetworks seems also be a finnish :-) |
| 23:41.06 | jake_ | How about you query me, so we can speak with out native languages?-) |
| 23:41.18 | jake_ | I got some questions about h6300 kernel.. |
| 23:41.40 | jake_ | If you prefer english, it's okay too, but easier to explain in my mother language :) |
| 23:41.45 | lamikr | Hmmm, you need to teach me... I am a little novice in irc... |
| 23:41.55 | jake_ | type /query jake_ |
| 23:42.01 | lamikr | ok. |
| 23:42.21 | jake_ | and type something to new screen that opened.. |
| 23:43.05 | lamikr | Ok, did you saw my message? |
| 23:43.19 | jake_ | hmm. maybe I can't even receive private conversation because I ain't registered. |
| 23:43.25 | jake_ | We'll just use english then.. |
| 23:43.40 | lamikr | Where are you coming from? |
| 23:43.47 | jake_ | what you mean? |
| 23:43.59 | lamikr | from which city? |
| 23:44.02 | jake_ | helsinki |
| 23:44.15 | lamikr | I am from Jyväskylä. |
| 23:44.22 | jake_ | nice :) university? |
| 23:44.41 | jake_ | or just happen to live there..? |
| 23:44.47 | lamikr | Well, best thing is that everything is near. |
| 23:44.58 | jake_ | okay, I wanted to ask about h6300 kernel.. |
| 23:45.14 | lamikr | Ok, just ask. |
| 23:45.25 | jake_ | you applied colin's patch with some extra intel to kernel for supporting mmc card version 4.0 aka MMC plus |
| 23:45.54 | jake_ | I was wondering, does that work, colins blog says that he managed to get it read partition table, but kernel panics when he tries to mount it.. |
| 23:46.10 | jake_ | I was wondering if you'd have any info about that..? |
| 23:46.23 | jake_ | I have a h6340 and had a sd card.. |
| 23:46.40 | jake_ | so I gone to verkkokauppa.com :) today and bought a 2gb mmc card.. |
| 23:46.43 | lamikr | I only applied one line detection code to MMC.c. But it was not enought to be actually able to mount the v4 card. |
| 23:46.56 | jake_ | :/ |
| 23:47.26 | jake_ | okay, so now I get to sleep tonight then since I ain't all exited about that when my kernel would have finished compilation :) |
| 23:47.28 | lamikr | :-( Yes, you have now 2 unsupported cards... :-( |
| 23:47.43 | jake_ | yeah, bitchy situation.. |
| 23:48.23 | jake_ | Don't know what would irritate more.. maybe having 2 girlfriends.. both lesbian :) |
| 23:48.37 | lamikr | I have some code from "bluesign" to bootstrap.bin that we use to get add SD support. So now we are able to load the Image from the SD cards fat partition. |
| 23:48.56 | lamikr | But the mount of EXT2 from the SD is also still failing. |
| 23:49.01 | jake_ | :/ |
| 23:49.15 | jake_ | that means kernel doesn't have proper sd card support.. |
| 23:49.31 | jake_ | I checked out mmca.org |
| 23:49.48 | lamikr | Yes, ... Our h6300 kernel is however based |
| 23:49.49 | jake_ | There it says that card is completely backwards compatible. Hell it isn't.. |
| 23:49.56 | lamikr | sSorry |
| 23:50.23 | lamikr | ##" pressing enter too eagerly... |
| 23:50.30 | jake_ | or.. it kinda is.. mounts properly on wince.. |
| 23:51.42 | jake_ | but that won't help me out.. I want linux because only good apps for wince are gps apps.. |
| 23:51.52 | lamikr | Yes, perhaps that is the reason why bootstrap.bin is actually able to read the Image from the SD card before jumping to execute kernel. |
| 23:52.16 | jake_ | well, it's kernels job to mount root fs.. |
| 23:53.18 | jake_ | I kinda realize why there aren't good enough gps apps for linux, who would make maps of whole world and update 'em frequently, make voice directions for all common languages+some not so common.. |
| 23:53.25 | jake_ | for free.. :) |
| 23:53.36 | lamikr | Yes, but I mean that we use 3 phase booting... First we start small wince application that starts another loader "bootstrap.bin". Bootstrap.bin will read the Image either from the fat or "raw" partition and then jumps to execute kernel. |
| 23:54.09 | jake_ | But someone could make an app that could use for e.g. tomtom's maps+voices.. like a port of tomtom or some other good gps software, then ppl wouldn't even need wince.. |
| 23:54.34 | jake_ | loadin.exe->bootstrap.bin->kernel |
| 23:54.42 | lamikr | yes! |
| 23:54.48 | jake_ | I used uboot_load->kernel |
| 23:55.10 | lamikr | With h6300? |
| 23:55.12 | jake_ | Didn't have success with loadin.exe |
| 23:55.13 | jake_ | yeah |
| 23:55.24 | jake_ | it loads up kernel properly. |
| 23:55.40 | jake_ | instructions are at your webpage.. or atleast link is.. |
| 23:55.56 | jake_ | doesn't work with sd card.. |
| 23:56.01 | jake_ | but worked with my mmc v4 card. |
| 23:57.07 | jake_ | guys @ fuzzyneural.net have used uboot_load to success with h63xx. |
| 23:57.14 | lamikr | I have not tried it myself. As I am mostly still developing kernel, I use MMC card very rarely for mounting rootfs... I will just read the Image and bootstrap.bin from fat partition and then mount the rootfs over NFS. |
| 23:57.28 | lamikr | it is much faster in that way... MMC cards are pretty slow. |
| 23:57.40 | jake_ | yeah. but I ain't all the time in reach of my wlan :) |
| 23:57.48 | jake_ | so I can't count on that.. |
| 23:58.01 | lamikr | very true :-) |
| 23:58.41 | jake_ | kernel has just finished compiling.. |
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| 23:59.48 | lamikr | What gcc you are using? |
