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| 08:53.47 | rob_w_cgi | hi |
| 08:53.53 | rob_w_cgi | why is oe.org down ? |
| 08:56.12 | rob_w_cgi | i wanted to look up the commands to update oe and let that run during the day ,, so i can build again latest images |
| 09:10.28 | koen | rob_w_cgi: oe.handhelds.org |
| 09:10.45 | rob_w_cgi | thanks |
| 09:12.28 | florian_kc | hi all |
| 09:19.29 | koen | hey florian_kc |
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| 09:22.02 | koen | hey XorA |
| 09:22.44 | XorA | morning koen |
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| 09:27.20 | kammicazze | hi all |
| 09:27.30 | koen | hey kammicazze |
| 09:27.51 | kammicazze | hi koen |
| 09:39.32 | koen | florian_kc: is it possible to register and event filter on gtktextentries that activates matchbox-remote to toggle the vkb? |
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| 09:43.25 | bedboi | hi there |
| 09:49.39 | koen | hey bedboi |
| 09:49.44 | florian_kc | bedboi: hi |
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| 09:51.44 | florian_kc | koen: i think we can use the focus-in event of the text widgets, that would be just a small gtk patch. the only thing i don't really know if we can properly handle focus out (e.g. if the widget is destroyed) |
| 09:52.30 | koen | it would be a nice start |
| 09:53.09 | koen | last night I was staring at my ipaq waiting for the vkb to pop up :) |
| 09:53.35 | florian_kc | hehe... sounds familiar :-) |
| 09:54.07 | koen | can it be implemented as a lib like libgtkstylus? |
| 09:54.38 | koen | or in libgpewidget? |
| 10:06.23 | florian_kc | koen: not sure... maybe - but i guess gtk would be the easiest. |
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| 10:34.17 | rob_w-cgi | what is it when pand says " protocol not supported " ? |
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| 11:59.05 | katossi | why do gpe always hangs the first time a system is installed? |
| 12:00.13 | koen | does it? |
| 12:00.23 | koen | isn't it busy with configuring packages? |
| 12:04.22 | florian_kc | I wonder if we could do this on the build system using qemu :-) |
| 12:05.03 | koen | some of it, yes |
| 12:05.44 | koen | probably most of it, but stuff like blueprobe need to be on-device |
| 12:06.14 | florian_kc | ah right... |
| 12:07.03 | koen | atm I can only think of blueprobe and dropbear-key-gen |
| 12:07.46 | katossi | now everytime I boot gpe freezes in the bootsplash |
| 12:08.02 | katossi | how long should I leave it booting? |
| 12:08.23 | koen | 5 minutes or so |
| 12:08.27 | katossi | ok |
| 12:08.36 | katossi | I waited 5 seconds, that could be the problem |
| 12:09.35 | lardman|work | yes, it has to configure all of the packages - this takes a while first time though |
| 12:09.47 | lardman|work | s/though/through |
| 12:15.55 | katossi | when suspending the akita it shows an ugly black console before sleeping, is it normal? |
| 12:16.31 | koen | I think it is |
| 12:16.41 | koen | my h2210 doesn't do that, but my c700 does |
| 12:16.43 | katossi | is there anyway to control ( in a gpe-customized image ) what directories are created in the desktop? |
| 12:17.00 | katossi | e.g. I didn't compile the games but I still have the games folder |
| 12:17.31 | koen | that's somewhere in /usr/share/ |
| 12:18.42 | katossi | koen: I mean how can I change it in the bb files |
| 12:19.02 | katossi | where is that defined |
| 12:19.14 | koen | ehm... |
| 12:19.15 | lardman|work | katossi: yes the black screen (with some kernel messages) is normal for suspend & resume |
| 12:19.17 | koen | I have no idea |
| 12:19.47 | koen | lardman|work: on my h2210 that screen is hidden, which I think is much nicer |
| 12:19.57 | katossi | I found a bug with the "screen setup" app |
| 12:20.05 | koen | wasn't the vt switch a workaround for something? |
| 12:20.15 | katossi | evrything works there except the brightness slider |
| 12:20.21 | lardman|work | koen: agreed, but I think it was exposed for debugging purposes - it's helped me |
| 12:20.48 | lardman|work | katossi: what kernel are you running? |
| 12:20.50 | katossi | BUT the breighness regulation works fine from the taskbar icon |
| 12:21.14 | lardman|work | I don't know whether the control panel applet tries to use bl |
| 12:21.18 | katossi | lardman|work: 2.6 but since it works with a different utilitie I guess it's not a kernel related problem |
| 12:21.31 | katossi | s/breighness/brightness |
| 12:21.50 | lardman|work | try installing the bl ipk here and try it again: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/Zaurus/bl/ |
| 12:22.09 | lardman|work | that version of bl works for 2.6 kernels |
| 12:23.01 | katossi | lardman|work: I don't think bl is the problem, I CAN do it from light bulb icon in the task bar |
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| 12:23.12 | katossi | I think the problem is with the screen setup app |
| 12:24.28 | lardman|work | I thought you said that it didn't alter the backlight setting? |
| 12:24.41 | lardman|work | This is handled by the /usr/bin/bl binary |
| 12:24.56 | lardman|work | which is called by a variety of things - ipaq-sleep for one |
| 12:25.00 | koen | I think the situation is a bit messier |
| 12:25.00 | katossi | lardman|work: I can't do it from the screen setup app |
| 12:25.11 | katossi | but I can from a different app |
| 12:25.14 | lardman|work | koen: really? |
| 12:25.30 | lardman|work | katossi: minilite (on the taskbar) makes the changes directly |
| 12:25.34 | katossi | I think the problem could be "screen setup" is trying to use bl, and I don't have it |
| 12:25.45 | lardman|work | katossi: yes.... |
| 12:26.15 | lardman|work | katossi: Don't install the cvs version though as this doesn't have support for 2.6.x |
| 12:26.44 | katossi | but it's working in my 2.6! |
| 12:26.52 | lardman|work | On the other hand, the screen setup app may be trying to manipulate the backlight directly (and this will be iPAQ only in that case) |
| 12:27.05 | koen | lardman|work: or sharp 2.4 only |
| 12:27.19 | katossi | ok |
| 12:27.27 | katossi | let's leave this clear |
| 12:27.33 | lardman|work | minilite contains code to change the backlight for a variety of machines, most of the rest of GPE doesn't |
| 12:27.37 | katossi | screen setup ->> directly |
| 12:27.44 | katossi | minilite ---> bl or what? |
| 12:27.48 | lardman|work | no |
| 12:27.56 | lardman|work | minilite -> /sys |
| 12:28.04 | lardman|work | ipaq-sleep -> bl -> /sys |
| 12:28.16 | lardman|work | other apps? -> bl -> /sys |
| 12:28.23 | katossi | aps ok |
| 12:28.36 | lardman|work | but not the screen setup app... |
| 12:28.42 | katossi | so what I need is bl, but I thing this should be uniformed though |
| 12:29.02 | katossi | some stardarizing would be nice |
| 12:29.06 | lardman|work | wait a minute and I'll see if the screen setup app works for me, as I have bl installed |
| 12:29.18 | katossi | lardman|work: in wich machine? |
| 12:29.48 | florian_kc | katossi: That's right... the intention is to start with a common control framework for all this stuff after the 2.7 release. |
| 12:30.08 | katossi | florian_kc: that'd be grat |
| 12:30.14 | katossi | s/grat/great |
| 12:30.17 | lardman|work | katossi: c7x0 w/ 2.6.14 |
| 12:30.23 | katossi | aha |
| 12:30.28 | lardman|work | the screen setup applet looks to be hardcoded for 2.4 |
| 12:30.52 | lardman|work | when it starts it incorrectly thinks the current backlight value is 0, and moving the slider makes no difference |
| 12:30.54 | katossi | lardman|work: too bad, things like that make the 2.6 migration harder |
| 12:31.12 | katossi | lardman|work: that's exactly what I get |
| 12:31.17 | lardman|work | this probably isn't hard to fix, I'll copy the code across from minilite when I have a bit of time |
| 12:31.35 | lardman|work | though as koen says, a framework would save all of this code duplication |
| 12:32.12 | koen | a bld listening do dbus events would be a good start |
| 12:33.08 | lardman|work | I need to read-up on dbus, but yes that sounds like a plan. |
| 12:33.12 | katossi | nobody knows which bb file is responsible for the desktop icons (folders) creation? |
| 12:33.39 | lardman|work | it may be matchbox itself |
| 12:33.48 | florian_kc | lardman|work: uh... i don't have a Z with 2.6 here. i guess i'm missing a patch in that tool. |
| 12:33.55 | lardman|work | bl? |
| 12:34.10 | florian_kc | lardman|work: gpe-conf |
| 12:34.29 | florian_kc | katossi: i guess it is matchbox-desktop which introduces the vfolders. |
| 12:34.50 | lardman|work | florian_kc: I'm building from .dev, so I have to check I have the most up-to-date versions too |
| 12:35.41 | florian_kc | lardman|work: you should have... |
| 12:35.50 | lardman|work | koen: ;) |
| 12:36.00 | katossi | florian_kc: so all the desktop customization ( is what I want to do) is in matchbox-desktop? |
| 12:36.22 | lardman|work | I've grabbed the .oz354fam083 branch and will see if there are any differences |
| 12:36.56 | florian_kc | katossi: i think so... the applications just ship the desktop files with some hints to sort them into the vfolders.# |
| 12:37.19 | lardman|work | but the vfolders are created by matchbox-desktop? |
| 12:37.23 | katossi | florian_kc: thx |
| 12:37.26 | koen | If I find some time tonight I'll put in a 'fixed' default.Xsettings for big dpi devices |
| 12:37.46 | lardman|work | koen: great |
| 12:38.09 | florian_kc | lardman|work: iirc yes |
| 12:38.17 | florian_kc | koen: that would rock" |
| 12:38.18 | lardman|work | The fonts are really strange - they are v. small in the term & v. large on the desktop/apps |
| 12:38.34 | lardman|work | even when they're set to be the same size across all of them |
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| 12:41.37 | katossi | lardman|work: that's true, in the desktop they overlap, and in the console and menus thay can't be read |
| 12:42.47 | koen | matchbox-menu is probably a case of pt vs px |
| 12:43.03 | lardman|work | katossi: I was more interested in why the term seems to still use the 'old' sizes (when 10 was minute, etc.) |
| 12:43.28 | lardman|work | that's minute=small btw everyone |
| 12:43.59 | koen | I think you have to restart X to get the new .Xdefault values |
| 12:46.24 | _law_ | koen: stuff/openembedded/gaim/files/* ? |
| 12:46.40 | koen | no, DL_DIR |
| 12:47.21 | koen | stuff/oe/downloads/*.patch* |
| 12:47.57 | koen|uni | bll |
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| 14:15.26 | _law_ | koen: gaim works :-) thanks |
| 14:15.56 | koen | cool |
| 14:16.08 | _law_ | koen: which gtk theme do you use? |
| 14:16.28 | _law_ | looks better than my one |
| 14:17.05 | _law_ | its clearlook or? |
| 14:17.35 | koen | clearlooks-gpe |
| 14:18.10 | koen | gpe-theme-clearlooks to use the ipkg name |
| 14:26.29 | _law_ | koen: have you ever tried to build gaim with esd support? |
| 14:26.39 | koen | not that I remember |
| 14:26.56 | _law_ | with that option sound should work or? |
| 14:27.28 | koen | I think so |
| 14:27.50 | _law_ | so i?ll try this |
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| 14:47.57 | florian_kc | hi bedboi |
| 14:48.13 | bedboi | hi there florian_kc |
| 14:48.16 | bedboi | any news so far? |
| 14:49.54 | koen | hey bedboi |
| 14:50.19 | Debolaz | How do I make (if possible) the Linux kernel bootup sequence spew out information on the LCD screen? |
| 14:53.25 | koen | console=tty0 at booting |
| 14:53.39 | florian_kc | bedboi: not really much.... |
| 14:53.49 | florian_kc | a pile of business work for me today |
| 14:54.11 | koen | bedboi: did chipi mail you to updates for gpe-sudoku? |
| 14:54.20 | bedboi | nope |
| 14:55.49 | Debolaz | koen: I have to shamefully admit that I'm very unfamiliar with this part of Linux being a mostly BSD guy (something my ipaq wallpaper should indicate:), are there any tutorials anywhere on how to change that permanently? |
| 14:56.28 | koen | vi /boot/params |
| 14:56.52 | koen | booting linux (or bsd) on a handhelds is completely different from x86 |
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| 15:19.59 | ade|desk | i am sure i have asked this before but its friday and i went brain dead ~ tuesday: does the N770 have usb host ? |
| 15:20.09 | koen | 'sort of' |
| 15:20.14 | ade|desk | eh |
| 15:20.16 | koen | it doesn't supply power |
| 15:20.34 | ade|desk | like the cxk ? |
| 15:20.42 | koen | no idea on teh cxk |
| 15:21.23 | ade|desk | ok cheers |
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| 16:00.30 | florian_kc | hi Cwiiis |
| 16:10.05 | florian_kc | moray: We have a new release of libmimedir, i suppose that would be useful for debian :-) |
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| 16:11.28 | moray | florian_kc: yeah, I emailed myself when I saw you mention this before :) |
| 16:11.41 | moray | florian_kc: still working for this paper deadline, but I'll look when I can |
| 16:11.47 | florian_kc | moray: heh |
| 16:11.58 | florian_kc | moray: okay - perfect! |
| 16:12.06 | moray | florian_kc: what was the answer on the incompatibility front in the end? |
| 16:12.17 | moray | florian_kc: should this just be installed in parallel? |
| 16:13.29 | florian_kc | moray: yes... Sebastian mentionend that it should be possible to install both in parallel. |
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| 16:24.52 | florian_kc | koen: do you think a suspend.desktop can simply run "apm -s" or do we need to be more careful? |
| 16:25.49 | koen | the power button runs apm -s too, right? |
| 16:26.17 | florian_kc | yep |
| 16:26.22 | bedboi | i have a problem linking a C library to a C++ application |
| 16:26.44 | bedboi | if i link the C library to a C application all it's working |
| 16:26.56 | bedboi | when i link it to C++ applications i have unresolved symbols |
| 16:28.54 | XorA | bedboi: you extern "C" around the .h file include? |
| 16:29.10 | bedboi | nope |
| 16:29.16 | bedboi | i just found out :) |
| 16:29.20 | XorA | bedboi: :_D |
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| 17:21.11 | florian_kc | bbl |
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| 17:37.49 | molivier2 | got a question about the 2.7 image for poodle |
| 17:37.51 | molivier2 | the image is too big for my poodle - / is 100 % is it normal ? |
| 17:44.38 | koen | how much flash does the poodle have? |
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| 17:48.35 | molivier2 | the 2.7 image is too big for my poodle - is it normal or am i the one with this problem |
| 17:48.40 | koen | molivier2: how much flash does the poodle have? |
| 17:48.54 | molivier2 | many |
| 17:49.18 | molivier2 | i had to made a nand restore one time - perhaps is it the root cause of my issue |
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| 17:50.18 | koen | a gpe image should fit in ±24MB of flash |
| 17:51.05 | molivier2 | yes but my / partitions is only 22 and after the flash process there is no space left on device |
| 17:51.43 | molivier2 | so , perhaps i can solve this , if i mount the image as mtd device and if i suppress some packages perhaps i could have that fit my partition |
| 17:53.54 | molivier2 | koen, do you think that its possible to do that ? |
| 17:54.54 | koen | I just checked, the jffs2 is 21MB |
| 17:54.58 | koen | so it should fit |
| 18:01.23 | molivier2 | i will try flash it again |
| 18:02.01 | koen | could be mickeyl used an old gpe-image.bb to build the poodle image |
| 18:03.08 | molivier2 | the problem when the filesystem is full is that i cant remove or move any file from this partition |
| 18:12.00 | molivier2 | gpe image is 22298624 |
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| 19:13.37 | mimecar | evening |
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| 19:17.55 | mimecar | hey florian |
| 19:30.02 | Koen|770 | hey mimecar |
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| 19:38.08 | reenoo | evening |
| 19:39.22 | mimecar | hi Koen|770 and reenoo |
| 19:39.33 | reenoo | hola mimecar |
| 19:39.45 | koen | 'abend reenoo|kitchen |
| 19:41.05 | florian | re |
| 19:41.42 | Koen|770 | hey florian |
| 19:44.20 | Debolaz | Where is the desktop stored? |
| 19:44.31 | Debolaz | "Utilities", "Games", etc.. |
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| 19:45.16 | Koen|770 | hey zecke |
| 19:47.33 | lamikr | I have made changes to "/etc/X11/Xinit.d/12keymap" and added a file "/etc/X11/h6300.xmodmap" for adding keyboard support to gpe. What is the package/app I should patch so that these could be included to gpe-image? |
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| 19:48.31 | mreimer_ | lamikr: I think you'll want to commit it to gpe/base/xserver-common on hh.o |
| 19:49.09 | lamikr | So directly to server cvs? No separate patch for oe needed? |
| 19:50.20 | mreimer_ | lamikr: no, I don't think so. |
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| 19:55.22 | lamikr | mreimer: So I should not send patches to oe bugzilla? Instead I should try to submit them the xserver-common download location... Whereever it is. I could not find info from the xserver-common_1.2.bb |
| 19:58.27 | mreimer_ | lamikr: handhelds.org is the upstream in this case, I think |
| 20:01.36 | florian | lamikr: send it to me, i guess i'm the maintainer of xserver-common |
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| 20:42.46 | florian | koen: We have gpe-sketchbook 0.2.9 :-) |
| 20:45.10 | koen | this one: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/deploy/ipk/gpe-sketchbook_0.2.9-r0_armv5te.ipk ? |
| 20:46.16 | mreimer_ | you both rock :-) |
| 20:49.17 | reenoo | hehe |
| 20:49.31 | reenoo | hey koen, florian, mreimer_ |
| 20:49.41 | mreimer_ | hey reenoo |
| 20:55.35 | florian | koen: *gg* |
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| 21:20.07 | katossi | reenoo: hi reenoo , I think I asked this before but I got no answer, is there any technical difficulty adding classpath 0.18 to oe? |
| 21:20.46 | mimecar | re |
| 21:21.47 | koen | katossi: what happends if you rename the _0.17.bb to _0.18? |
| 21:23.20 | katossi | koen: I don't know, but nothing good I guess |
| 21:23.37 | koen | try it and see |
| 21:24.17 | katossi | it should not work, if the sources are downloaded from a different place |
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| 21:41.47 | mimecar | hey kammicazze |
| 21:42.47 | kammicazze__ | hi mimecar |
| 21:48.45 | koen | florian: you seem to have removed the gpe-bootsplash changelog |
| 21:48.53 | koen | http://handhelds.org:8080/gpe/chngview?cn=741 |
| 21:51.29 | lamikr | florian: I made small java app that will try to make generate timezone info that could be used in gpe-conf. Does this make any sense if I just the data more alphabetic order? http://pastebin.ca/27643 |
| 21:51.34 | florian | koen: i wonder what is going on there, i didn't have a CheangeLog here - wondered and added one. |
| 21:52.00 | florian | lamikr: one sec... |
| 21:52.08 | lamikr | no hurry. |
| 21:56.30 | florian | koen: that's really strange... the last three releases are missing a tag for this file and the last change is a long time ago. |
| 22:04.55 | florian | lamikr: hmm... that will be better than our current solution. |
| 22:06.23 | lamikr | florian: Maybe the best way would be to split it to two combobox: First for selecting area: America, Europa, Asia: And second combobox for selecting country inside the selected area... If put into one list, there is 560 different locations... The code is in the end of the pastebin. btw.. |
| 22:07.02 | florian | lamikr: Maybe we should do this, i think we need to rewrite this tool and add timezone data to solve this properly. |
| 22:07.33 | florian | lamikr: yeah - that's a good idea. |
| 22:07.37 | lamikr | florian: I agree that the timezone data would be the correct solution. Everything else is a hack. |
| 22:07.40 | koen | does this tool have that cute gpe-clockface select thingie? |
| 22:07.57 | lamikr | The amount of timezone data is just quite big, in my desktop it takes 1.9 mb. |
| 22:08.25 | koen | OE has a cut down timezone data iirc |
| 22:08.40 | mimecar | how many time zones do you have lamikr ? |
| 22:08.47 | mimecar | 1.9 mb is a big size |
| 22:09.04 | lamikr | All countries in the world... |
| 22:09.22 | florian | lamikr: maybe when we introduce the control api... that includes a major rewrite of gpe-conf code anyway. |
| 22:10.09 | florian | koen: that would be good, the complete db includes many useless historical stuff. what is its size? |
| 22:10.17 | mimecar | lamikr: what's the structure? country, timezone ? |
| 22:10.28 | lamikr | Koen: Where is the cut down data? |
| 22:10.57 | koen | iirc that's the 'timezones' package |
| 22:12.16 | lamikr | If I have understood correctly, we would only need to set UTZ=Europe/Helsinki for example if we use timezone data, so no need to define to UTZ any info from the daylight saving, etc. Maybe that works also with the cut down version of that. |
| 22:13.00 | florian | lamikr: right |
| 22:14.12 | lamikr | florian: Any plan when the control api thing is done... I mean should we try to make workaround first for the gpe 0.8.3? |
| 22:15.27 | florian | lamikr: Familiar release != gpe release... for gpe it is 2.7 - the device control is definitely planned for after 2.7 |
| 22:19.34 | lamikr | Florian: ok, I will then play more with this timezone data and gpe-conf-0.26 tomorrow. Another issue: I will send the h6300 modmap info for you tomorrow in email. Need to try to map one key more before that. It would be nice if updated xserver-common could be downloaded during the gpe-image build. |
| 22:20.36 | florian | lamikr: okay great! |
| 22:21.02 | lamikr | thanks! Need to go now. |
| 22:22.44 | florian | lamikr: cu |
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