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| 02:50.27 | jamey | hi france |
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| 06:52.27 | rob_w-cgi | hi guys |
| 06:52.30 | rob_w-cgi | and girls |
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| 08:24.33 | koen | Kompo: http://wiki.opendarwin.org/index.php/WebKit_plus_SVG looks very promising |
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| 08:31.05 | bedboi | hi all |
| 08:44.40 | koen | hey bedboi |
| 08:44.51 | bedboi | hkoen |
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| 08:47.35 | reenoo | morning |
| 08:53.35 | koen | hey reenoo |
| 08:53.42 | koen | reenoo: your logo looks very nice |
| 08:53.42 | reenoo | hi koen |
| 08:53.56 | reenoo | glad you like it :) |
| 08:55.51 | koen | I sent a reply to the list on how to solve the segfault |
| 08:57.00 | reenoo | yeah. I suspected it would be because of the fonts but it was too late to experiment with that last night |
| 08:57.51 | reenoo | we should store the version with text somewhere though to make it editable |
| 08:58.03 | koen | indeed |
| 08:58.30 | rob_w-cgi | is there any known company (beside the mighty KC ) that deals with oe and/or familiar ?? |
| 08:58.37 | ade|desk | reenoo: just seen your logo, very nice |
| 09:03.41 | koen | rob_w-cgi: not that I know of, most companies that deal with OE make their own distro |
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| 09:05.24 | koen | hey lolita__ |
| 09:05.38 | lolita__ | hey koen |
| 09:06.12 | lolita__ | simon_ and i took fotos of your nokia 770 ;) |
| 09:08.12 | koen | reenoo: what font did you use for 'familiar'? |
| 09:08.55 | reenoo | Impact I think |
| 09:10.22 | katossi | reenoo: morning |
| 09:10.49 | reenoo | koen: it needs to be a "wide" font |
| 09:10.56 | katossi | reenoo: a question, did you ever compile kaffe-qt succesfullly? |
| 09:10.57 | reenoo | hi katossi |
| 09:11.09 | reenoo | katossi: never tried to |
| 09:11.34 | katossi | I found a couple of bugs, but in the end I get errors that I can't fix |
| 09:12.15 | katossi | do you know if kaffe-qt is being being actively developed? or a little bit abandoned? |
| 09:18.24 | koen | handhelds.org/scap/land.23799.png |
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| 09:21.49 | koen | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.24247.png |
| 09:22.54 | koen | reenoo: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/pda/files/splash-p3.svg |
| 09:23.13 | koen | reenoo: that one fills the screen and doesn't crash bootsplash |
| 09:25.34 | koen | rotated the right way: http://handhelds.org/scap/land.24247.png |
| 09:28.31 | reenoo | koen: there's some extra space near the bottom that shouldn't be there though. I'll play with that and try to fix that tonight |
| 09:28.39 | reenoo | (once I get home) |
| 09:30.41 | rob_w-cgi | koen : what company `s are they |
| 09:31.18 | koen | rob_w-cgi: http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/SuccesStories |
| 09:32.31 | rob_w-cgi | thanks thats great |
| 09:33.24 | reenoo | later all |
| 09:55.19 | bedboi | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.24247.png <-- like it very much |
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| 12:31.50 | __law__ | hey |
| 12:32.10 | koen | hey __law__ |
| 12:32.16 | koen | you're very wide today ;) |
| 12:33.23 | __law__ | i have got an pygtk problem, the windows will be always opened in fullscreen, so the buttons are very big :-( |
| 12:33.28 | __law__ | koen, :D |
| 12:34.46 | __law__ | if i try it with an dialog all works fine |
| 12:35.31 | koen | matchbox will try to open all windows fullscreen |
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| 12:38.47 | __law__ | koen, but gpe-conf isnt fs |
| 12:39.24 | koen | I guess gpe-conf sets some special params |
| 12:40.56 | __law__ | i have set an width and height |
| 12:41.14 | __law__ | ah found an gazpacho bug, doesnt set it :-) |
| 12:46.50 | __law__ | same problem with width and height set, so there must be an matchbox option or? |
| 12:51.14 | koen | I think it's a EWMH option |
| 12:52.11 | __law__ | koen, EWHM ? |
| 12:52.31 | koen | extended window manager hints iirc |
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| 12:54.20 | reenoo | re |
| 13:02.10 | koen | reenoo: wb |
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| 13:20.47 | __law__ | -geometry also doesnt help :-( |
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| 13:50.51 | koen | damnit |
| 13:51.00 | koen | outbound mail broken again |
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| 14:06.23 | florian_kc | hi all |
| 14:09.22 | koen | hey florian_kc |
| 14:09.34 | koen | florian_kc: nice work on oss.kc.de |
| 14:11.48 | koen | florian_kc: would it be possible to provide a .tar or .zip with all the gpe .debs? |
| 14:15.20 | florian_kc | koen: thanks :-) |
| 14:21.01 | florian_kc | koen: In theory yes... i need to findo out if there is some way to make the appmgr handle someething like this in one bunch. |
| 14:21.22 | florian_kc | (we just dicussed about this here...) |
| 14:22.27 | koen | the average user doesn't want to click on 9 different .debs |
| 14:23.05 | florian_kc | koen: yeah... the major problem is that the appmgr isn't able to handle dependencies at all :-( |
| 14:23.07 | koen | and since the whole package is only ±0.5MB |
| 14:23.22 | koen | gpe-pimsuite.deb |
| 14:23.48 | florian_kc | yep - that would be an option. |
| 14:24.26 | bedboi | koen: me too |
| 14:24.37 | bedboi | koen: today i've filed the order |
| 14:24.39 | koen | florian_kc: can I persuade you to build a gpe-calendar cvs .deb? |
| 14:24.44 | koen | bedboi: me too |
| 14:59.30 | florian_kc | koen: I'll work on it asap... i have a pile of things to do this week. |
| 15:00.20 | florian_kc | ...or almost - need to pick it up |
| 15:00.22 | koen | another mazda? |
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| 15:05.55 | koen | buen dià tigrux |
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| 15:06.23 | florian_kc | koen: yes... |
| 15:06.25 | tigrux | koen: Buen dÃa. :-) |
| 15:06.30 | florian_kc | hi tigrux |
| 15:06.56 | tigrux | Hello master florian_kc! |
| 15:07.39 | koen | dÃa, I knew there was an accent somewhere :) |
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| 15:22.20 | _law_ | how is the maintainer from gpe-conf? |
| 15:22.51 | _law_ | perhans he know how i can start an application with an smaller windows |
| 15:22.51 | _law_ | window :-) |
| 15:25.43 | florian_kc | _law_: that's me |
| 15:26.06 | florian_kc | _law_: hmm.... what do you have in mind to do? |
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| 15:50.09 | lardman|work | bedboi & koen: you have any sort of delivery date or price? (I'm assuming this is a standard order for the 770 not a dev discount?) |
| 15:51.01 | bedboi | dev discount |
| 15:51.05 | lardman|work | ah right |
| 15:51.12 | bedboi | 3 days should be |
| 15:51.37 | lardman|work | no worries, I thought perhaps I'd missed the announcement of a price etc for us mere peasants ;) |
| 15:51.46 | koen | E360 |
| 15:52.44 | koen | €360 |
| 15:52.49 | lardman|work | koen: that's the standard price? |
| 15:52.55 | koen | lardman|work: yes |
| 15:53.04 | lardman|work | koen: where from? |
| 15:53.39 | lardman|work | £243 I can happily part with :) |
| 15:53.40 | koen | nokia webstore |
| 15:56.51 | lardman|work | hmm, which country are we talking? uk says available soon still |
| 16:01.06 | koen | same here :) |
| 16:01.22 | lardman|work | yeah, I looked at the Dutch site too |
| 16:01.28 | koen | the devs get a prelease |
| 16:01.40 | lardman|work | yep, I was just wondering how you knew the price |
| 16:01.53 | koen | http://direct.nokia.com/Product.aspx?model=770 |
| 16:02.04 | philippe | evening all |
| 16:02.06 | koen | Price: €359.00 |
| 16:02.11 | koen | hey philippe |
| 16:02.18 | lardman|work | koen: ah-ha, thanks |
| 16:02.35 | philippe | hey koen |
| 16:10.32 | bedboi | hi philippe |
| 16:10.51 | philippe | hey bedboi |
| 16:11.07 | bedboi | what's up? |
| 16:11.29 | koen | bedboi: don't forget to commit that pango patch |
| 16:11.39 | bedboi | yes... |
| 16:12.04 | bedboi | can't get my battery in learning mode |
| 16:12.43 | bedboi | tried all the vodoo |
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| 16:15.46 | florian_kc | hrm nasty... will try with my 3870 lllllllllater... |
| 16:15.50 | florian_kc | oops |
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| 16:27.30 | bedboi | koen: committing |
| 16:27.40 | bedboi | excuse me for the delay |
| 16:27.45 | bedboi | i'm really busy these days |
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| 17:10.25 | _law_ | florian_kc: i try to build an pygtk app, but i am not able to open an window with an fixed width and height. it open always in fullscreen |
| 17:11.09 | _law_ | florian_kc: you habe build gpe-conf with an smaller size |
| 17:11.44 | florian_kc | _law_: The only way to do is to set a wm hint to mark this window like a dialog. matchbox resizes all normal windows to fullscreen. |
| 17:12.51 | _law_ | florian_kc: ah i have tryed this,but pygtk crashs with complex dialog :-( |
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| 17:17.01 | florian_kc | _law_: oops... maybe set the type hint only. there is some gtk_window_set_tye_hint() |
| 17:17.05 | florian_kc | hi reenoo |
| 17:17.21 | reenoo | evening |
| 17:17.24 | reenoo | hey florian_kc |
| 17:17.44 | lardman|work | night all |
| 17:19.46 | florian_kc | dc__dinner: enjoy :-) |
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| 17:20.49 | florian_kc | bbl |
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| 17:53.51 | mreimer | when I build gpe-image, the /dev directory does not contain device nodes but files. Is this operator error? |
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| 17:54.38 | philippe | mreimer, I guess they are made when the jffs2 is created.... or maybe we are using udev which will create them at boot time |
| 17:55.17 | mreimer | philippe: one problem is that I get no serial output until udev starts; all serial output goes to the *file* /dev/console :-( |
| 18:01.55 | koen | I though it would have a few needed dev nodes |
| 18:02.32 | mreimer | I'm guessing the problem is that makedevs is not suid, so when I build the image as my non-root uid, the mknod calls fail |
| 18:02.56 | mreimer | I'm going to try building an image with chmod u+s staging/i686-linux/bin/makedevs |
| 18:03.21 | mreimer | we also might want to add /dev/tts/0 to the minimal device table for 2.6 systems |
| 18:07.25 | mreimer | koen: can you tweak h2200-bootloader so it doesn't fail if modprobe mtdblock or modprobe hamcop_nand fail? If those modules are built-in, the modprobe will fail but the dd can still happen |
| 18:10.09 | koen | done |
| 18:10.16 | mreimer | wow, that was quick. thanks! |
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| 18:12.35 | reenoo | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.21210.png <- not using non-free fonts any more |
| 18:15.28 | philippe | ~hail reenooo for making nice bootsplashes |
| 18:15.29 | ibot | ACTION bows down to reenooo for making nice bootsplashes and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 18:16.13 | reenoo | :) |
| 18:17.55 | philippe | Yeah! a pulsating GPE logo! |
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| 18:18.22 | koen | philippe: did you see the movie I made yesterday? |
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| 18:23.14 | mimecar | evening guis |
| 18:23.16 | mimecar | guys |
| 18:30.50 | koen | philippe: you could write gpe-dishes :) |
| 18:30.53 | koen | hey mimecar |
| 18:31.21 | mimecar | evening koen |
| 18:32.28 | mimecar | I use new version of gpe today |
| 18:32.40 | mimecar | it hasn't any serious bug |
| 18:34.02 | philippe | koen, :-) |
| 18:34.14 | philippe | And yes I saw your movie.. really fun. |
| 18:34.30 | philippe | mimecar, is the sketchbook okay? |
| 18:34.38 | mimecar | wait |
| 18:35.07 | mimecar | I can't draw on one part of the screen |
| 18:35.23 | philippe | hmm, so it definitely is a problem. |
| 18:35.24 | mimecar | one third more or less (on draw box) |
| 18:35.56 | mimecar | it looks program only draw on one are |
| 18:37.11 | mimecar | another problems such as keys of software keyboard and hardware buttons are solver |
| 18:41.02 | mreimer | detachable tabs ;-) |
| 18:41.08 | koen | on qvga multiple windows |
| 18:41.17 | koen | or a dropdown list in the iconbar |
| 18:41.43 | reenoo | koen: matchbox should provide that functionality already |
| 18:42.05 | koen | yes, matchbox does |
| 18:42.40 | mimecar | philippe: a list selector |
| 18:43.04 | mimecar | wich collapse themselve after select element |
| 18:43.33 | mimecar | tabs are the best, you nedd a good resolution |
| 18:44.48 | philippe | mmmh tabs don't seem to take up to much space... |
| 18:45.50 | koen | in 320x240 they take up a lot of space |
| 18:46.04 | reenoo | philippe: that's a different type of application. in a web browser every single pixel counts |
| 18:46.17 | philippe | koen, and with that dropdown box what exactly do you mean? |
| 18:46.38 | philippe | reenoo, true... but it might be harder to switch windows.. |
| 18:46.40 | koen | like matchbox has |
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| 18:47.09 | philippe | koen, you mean like for switching apps? |
| 18:47.21 | koen | that one |
| 18:47.44 | philippe | But that bar is already taken no? |
| 18:48.08 | koen | yes |
| 18:48.13 | reenoo | philippe: just use multiple windows and have matchbox take care of everything else |
| 18:48.20 | koen | so with matchbox mulitple windows would be the way to go |
| 18:48.48 | philippe | ok. me is going for multiple windows then... |
| 18:48.51 | mimecar | can matchbox run virtual desktop ? |
| 18:51.34 | mimecar | if mini-browser open a icon on taskbar ? |
| 18:51.55 | mimecar | or something similar to "input method" applet |
| 18:52.15 | mimecar | you have the icon with mini-browser and after pressing on ilst, show all the open tabs |
| 18:52.59 | philippe | mimecar, maybe a context sensitve menu... |
| 18:53.15 | philippe | tap and hold and it shows you a list of open "tabs" |
| 18:53.17 | mimecar | on program windows or on taskbar ? |
| 18:53.32 | mimecar | similar to gpe-filemanager ? |
| 18:54.17 | reenoo | heh |
| 18:54.47 | reenoo | how do you want to explain that to users? |
| 18:54.52 | philippe | mimecar, probabely. Try tap and hold in gpe-edit and you see what I mean |
| 18:55.12 | philippe | reenoo, true... that is the hard part... |
| 18:55.45 | philippe | Or maybe little pop-ups like the fullscreen icon (if in fullscreen mode) |
| 18:56.06 | reenoo | keep things simple. matchbox provides all you need for this |
| 18:56.42 | reenoo | user interfaces aren't portable |
| 18:56.46 | reenoo | by definition |
| 18:57.09 | reenoo | the have to fit in the environment which defines how individual apps should behave |
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| 18:57.29 | philippe | ok. But the new window option temps me to much in just doing system(gpe-mini-browser $url) |
| 18:57.54 | reenoo | that's going to be slow |
| 18:58.05 | mimecar | solution should be intuitive |
| 18:59.09 | reenoo | philippe: loading all shared libs all over again, which will all have to initialize themselves again to create new caches etc. |
| 18:59.36 | philippe | well creating a new window means a new window with the rendering engine and the interface... maybe I could fork it off, but it would not make that much difference |
| 19:03.30 | reenoo | it's pretty easy actually. get rid of all static crap as part of an OO refactoring and just do a mini_browser_window_new() for every window. optionally use GObject while you're at it |
| 19:04.22 | reenoo | creating a new process is just plain wrong |
| 19:06.36 | philippe | I will try to do that |
| 19:11.06 | mimecar | gpe doesn't show taskbar now (on my zaurus) :( |
| 19:11.51 | mimecar | taskbar appear, but applets are deleted |
| 19:12.32 | reenoo | philippe: I'd recommend reading some code that uses GObject before you start (even if you don't plan to use it). really helped me write better code |
| 19:28.26 | mimecar | what's os this error: |
| 19:28.31 | mimecar | adduser: ppp: login already in use |
| 19:28.32 | mimecar | postinst script returned status 1 |
| 19:28.34 | mimecar | ERROR: ppp-dialin.postinst returned 1 |
| 19:28.35 | mimecar | Configuring xserver-common |
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| 19:33.14 | florian | re |
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| 19:34.16 | mimecar | hey florian |
| 19:34.28 | florian | hi mimecar, hi Skyhusker |
| 19:35.20 | Skyhusker | hi |
| 19:35.38 | Skyhusker | hey florian |
| 19:39.42 | koen|tv | hey Skyhusker |
| 19:39.50 | Skyhusker | hey koen|tv |
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| 19:41.42 | koen|tv | hey lolita__ |
| 19:42.01 | lolita__ | hey koen|tv ... |
| 19:42.26 | florian_kc | hi LoDown |
| 19:42.30 | florian_kc | hrm |
| 19:42.35 | florian_kc | hi lolita__ |
| 19:42.52 | lolita__ | hi florian_kc ... the end of a stressy day ... ;) |
| 19:42.57 | lolita__ | did you get my memo? |
| 19:43.37 | florian_kc | lolita__: hmm no, maybe because i don't own some of the nicks i use. |
| 19:44.04 | lolita__ | uh ;) |
| 19:44.05 | lolita__ | ok ;) |
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| 19:44.39 | lolita__ | ahm .. i asked if you did any adjusting to gpe-calendar ... otherwise i'd try to fix it as quickly as possible .. but i'd need some help again ... crosscompiling and stuff |
| 19:46.49 | florian_kc | lolita__: I checked in some fixes today and will continue to improve it tomorrow - but any help is appreciated. |
| 19:47.01 | florian_kc | I'll build a package for testing later... |
| 19:47.29 | lolita__ | perfect .. |
| 19:48.05 | _law_ | florian_kc: i rebuild the pygtk dialog gui. now it works :-) thanks for the tipp |
| 19:48.11 | florian_kc | lolita__: Crosscompiling is pretty easy... i can help you if necessary. |
| 19:48.30 | florian_kc | _law_: yw :-) |
| 19:48.36 | _law_ | n8 |
| 19:48.43 | florian_kc | _law_: gn |
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| 19:52.01 | lolita__ | what mode does the n77 |
| 19:52.08 | lolita__ | damn wrong channel ;) |
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| 22:27.54 | philippe | http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=414 |
| 22:30.26 | florian_kc | philippe: weeeee! |
| 22:35.18 | philippe | And me hopes to make a maemo release soon also... (me has hacked something together that works on his proto, now it just needs to be packaged decently) |
| 22:36.48 | philippe | goodnight all |
| 22:38.15 | florian_kc | philippe: good night |
| 22:40.53 | reenoo | 'night philippe |
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| 23:12.02 | reenoo | 'night all |
| 23:24.01 | florian_kc | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.04 | mreimer | good night florian_kc |
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