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| 02:18.51 | sparr | can anyone help me get my ipkg to see gpe packages? |
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| 07:49.19 | bedboi | hi all |
| 07:49.26 | koen | hey bedboi |
| 07:49.35 | koen | all packed for your trip? |
| 07:49.39 | bedboi | koen: good morning |
| 07:49.40 | bedboi | yep |
| 07:49.50 | bedboi | i got everything here |
| 07:49.53 | bedboi | at university |
| 07:49.58 | bedboi | ready to go |
| 07:50.39 | bedboi | never gone to paris, so i'm somewhat excited for the trip |
| 07:51.11 | bedboi | btw i still have to bring my videocamera to the shop where i bought it because it's broken |
| 07:51.18 | bedboi | murphy's law |
| 07:51.46 | bedboi | and, stupid me, i have to come back home getting my wallet :) |
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| 07:53.46 | koen | guten morgen florian_kc |
| 07:53.47 | florian_kc | good morning |
| 07:53.57 | koen | bedboi: at least you noticed you were missing it |
| 07:55.06 | bedboi | yep. i have some euros in my pocket but it seems that paris is really expansive |
| 07:55.20 | bedboi | i'll stay to my gf place, so i don't have to pay to sleep |
| 07:56.12 | florian_kc | Hmm yes... Paris isn't a cheap place to stay. |
| 07:56.41 | bedboi | my gf told me that she asked the price for a stove |
| 07:56.51 | bedboi | and they said "30 euros" |
| 07:57.01 | bedboi | 30 eur for a stove? |
| 07:57.05 | bedboi | maybe a set of stoves |
| 07:58.35 | florian_kc | I ran gpe-calendar in maemo the first time yesterday. I'll need to recheck with an up to date maemo, but it looks like we need to work on the font sizes there too. |
| 07:58.54 | florian_kc | (...not only in the day view, all views are affected. |
| 07:59.19 | koen | hey XorA |
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| 08:01.27 | XorA | mornign koen |
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| 08:11.28 | koen | http://handhelds.org/scap/land.14838.png |
| 08:12.21 | florian_kc | koen: cool |
| 08:12.46 | florian_kc | koen: what did you do to make gpe-amp play? i didn't manage to do this yesterday. |
| 08:15.04 | koen | gpe-amp wants the magic.* files in a different location |
| 08:15.45 | sparr | where might i find an ipkg feed to install gpe from? |
| 08:16.09 | koen | /usr/share/misc/file/* instead of /usr/share/file/* |
| 08:16.22 | florian_kc | sparr: That would depend on the distribution... |
| 08:17.56 | sparr | florian_kc: familiar |
| 08:18.08 | koen | florian_kc: do you have some screenshots of the new calendar running on maemo? |
| 08:31.54 | florian_kc | sparr: it should be in the default feeds in all familiar releases. only if you are using an 0.8.x opie image you maybe need to add the x11 feed. |
| 08:32.25 | florian_kc | koen: not yet, but i'll try to create some on a real device this evening. |
| 08:34.05 | florian_kc | sparr: if you are currently running opie ot might be faster to flash a new image. |
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| 08:42.19 | jsmanrique | hi |
| 08:42.34 | florian_kc | ho jsmanrique |
| 08:43.14 | jsmanrique | I think I must upgrade soon |
| 08:44.48 | koen | hey jsmanrique |
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| 08:51.52 | jsmanrique | koen: hi! |
| 08:52.02 | jsmanrique | koen: that gpe-amp looks great |
| 08:52.21 | jsmanrique | koen: I hope it will be able to run mms files (to hear some radio stations) :-) |
| 09:07.11 | sparr | florian_kc: nothing flashed at all, im booting from wince |
| 09:07.46 | sparr | opie has a nasty habit of crashing/freezing the display, dont want to do anything semi-permanent until ive got a stable system |
| 09:09.53 | florian_kc | sparr: oh... on which device is this? |
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| 09:59.43 | jsmanrique | mallum: hi |
| 09:59.48 | florian_kc | hi mallum |
| 10:00.04 | sparr | florian_kc: asus mypal 716 |
| 10:01.03 | mallum | hey florian_kc, jsmanrique |
| 10:02.29 | florian_kc | sparr: cool... |
| 10:11.08 | jsmanrique | mallum: how goes everything? |
| 10:11.15 | jsmanrique | mallum: o-hand growing :-) |
| 10:14.01 | jsmanrique | mallum: ross work in gtk stylus mode sounds nice |
| 10:20.50 | bedboi | going to take the flight |
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| 11:11.59 | reenoo | morning |
| 11:14.52 | florian_kc | reenoo: morning |
| 11:16.42 | reenoo | hey florian_kc |
| 11:18.40 | koen | hey reenoo |
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| 11:21.17 | reenoo | hi koen |
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| 12:13.28 | reenoo | hmm. anyone happen to know whether the Intel IXP4xx is little or big endian? or how to figure that out - I can't find that on their website... |
| 12:13.35 | koen | both |
| 12:14.10 | koen | you can configure it at boot |
| 12:14.43 | koen | like most (all?) ARM cpus |
| 12:14.50 | reenoo | I was afraid that would be the case :/ |
| 12:15.19 | koen | most ipx devices use it as bigendian |
| 12:15.48 | koen | intel fixed their drivers to support LE last month or so |
| 12:16.04 | reenoo | suckage |
| 12:16.19 | reenoo | apps typically assume ARM == little endian |
| 12:16.29 | koen | tell me about it :) |
| 12:17.14 | koen | koen@fireslug:~$ uname -a |
| 12:17.14 | koen | Linux fireslug 2.6.12.2 #1 Sat Aug 27 15:45:45 CEST 2005 armv5teb unknown unknown GNU/Linux |
| 12:18.04 | reenoo | is there at least a way to detect endianness at runtime? |
| 12:19.32 | koen | I only know of the union trick in C |
| 12:20.42 | XorA | uint16 test=0xAA55; if (*(char *)test == 0xAA) { endian=BIG}; |
| 12:21.24 | XorA | though that code gets less and less valid with each ISO C standard :-) |
| 12:21.44 | reenoo | heh. pretty neat though :) |
| 12:22.35 | reenoo | who cares about anything but C89 anyway ;) |
| 12:22.56 | reenoo | (as long as gcc doesn't choke on it that is) |
| 12:23.17 | XorA | missed an &in there as well |
| 12:23.48 | XorA | since I changed jobs I forget C :-D |
| 12:25.47 | koen | checking endianness was the first assignment in our C/C++ course |
| 12:26.10 | reenoo | heh |
| 12:26.29 | reenoo | endi-what? |
| 12:26.32 | reenoo | ;) |
| 12:26.55 | koen | "Ehmm, DOS only runs on LE systems, so why am I checking it?" |
| 12:27.17 | reenoo | koen: can I talk you into installing jamvm+classpath on the slug to see if it works at all? |
| 12:27.27 | koen | sure |
| 12:27.55 | reenoo | cool. thanks |
| 12:28.07 | reenoo | brb |
| 12:32.36 | reenoo | re |
| 12:43.32 | Bilbolodz|work | I've probelm building minimo: NOTE: Applying patch 'xptcstubs.patch' |
| 12:43.32 | Bilbolodz|work | ERROR: function do_patchcmd failed |
| 12:43.50 | koen | minimo is currently broken in OE |
| 12:44.35 | Bilbolodz|work | So I need web browser other than gpe-mini-browser |
| 12:44.48 | XorA | firefox |
| 12:49.23 | florian_kc | Dillo |
| 12:50.06 | koen | heh |
| 12:50.23 | koen | if gpe-mini-browser isn't enought, dillo is certainly not enough |
| 12:50.49 | florian_kc | ;-) |
| 12:51.49 | koen | yay! |
| 12:51.52 | Bilbolodz|work | I don't know is it enough or not it's just not working for me. |
| 12:51.55 | koen | philippe is still alive |
| 12:52.12 | Bilbolodz|work | I need something with java script to login to the bank |
| 12:52.34 | koen | js + ssl |
| 12:52.46 | koen | mini-browser only does js right now |
| 12:52.47 | Bilbolodz|work | of course |
| 12:53.01 | koen | dillo does neither of those :) |
| 12:53.13 | koen | firefox would be your best bet |
| 12:53.41 | Bilbolodz|work | building of firefox failed too... |
| 12:54.08 | Bilbolodz|work | | checking for libgnome-2.0 >= 2.0... checking for libgnome-2.0 >= 2.0... Package libgnome-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. |
| 12:54.08 | Bilbolodz|work | | Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libgnome-2.0.pc' |
| 12:54.09 | Bilbolodz|work | | to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable |
| 12:54.09 | Bilbolodz|work | | No package 'libgnome-2.0' found |
| 12:54.43 | Bilbolodz|work | and many. many more errors |
| 12:56.16 | Bilbolodz|work | http://pastebin.com/392174 |
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| 12:59.09 | florian_kc | Looks like a missing dependency. |
| 12:59.23 | Bilbolodz|work | and another problem: I'm trying to get working GSM card Sony-Ericsson GC75. It's recognized as serial card, but there is no /dev/ttyS00 device. I can create it manually (and even it's working) but after reinserting this card again device is deleted and I've to create one more. |
| 13:02.13 | florian_kc | Bilbolodz|work: That sounds like a problem with udev... is there anything suspicious in the log when you insert the card. |
| 13:02.29 | Bilbolodz|work | nop |
| 13:05.43 | florian_kc | On which device does this happen? |
| 13:05.56 | Bilbolodz|work | sorry? |
| 13:06.09 | Bilbolodz|work | PDA? SL4 Simpad |
| 13:06.43 | florian_kc | ah... |
| 13:08.08 | florian_kc | hmm... it might be a good idea to file a bug against this. But i have some fear that there are not that many people out there working on Simpad support :-( |
| 13:08.38 | Bilbolodz|work | I know :-( |
| 13:09.35 | Bilbolodz|work | I'll try to debug this deeper this afternoon |
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| 13:35.32 | Skyhusker | hi |
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| 13:36.27 | florian_kc | hey Skyhusker! |
| 13:36.33 | Skyhusker | hey florian_kc |
| 13:37.42 | florian_kc | Skyhusker: I managed to make it play too :-) |
| 13:38.03 | Skyhusker | florian_kc: you need to symlink /usr/share/file to /usr/share/misc/file |
| 13:39.22 | florian_kc | right... |
| 13:40.13 | Skyhusker | i think i can make libeina work without file |
| 13:40.41 | florian_kc | what is it used for? |
| 13:40.56 | Skyhusker | for finding if the file is ogg or mp3 or wav |
| 13:41.23 | koen | file provides libmagic |
| 13:41.38 | florian_kc | hmm... shouldn't gstreamer be able to do this? |
| 13:42.38 | Skyhusker | florian_kc: i think it's possible to simply try to load the file, if it fails it's not supported by gstreamer |
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| 13:44.40 | florian_kc | Skyhusker: indeed... imho thats a valid alternative :-) |
| 13:45.12 | Skyhusker | let's try to write it :) |
| 13:45.13 | florian_kc | And if not we can use gnome-vfs :-) |
| 14:14.35 | Skyhusker | florian_kc: dependency removed :) |
| 14:16.23 | florian_kc | Skyhusker: cool! |
| 14:16.50 | florian_kc | koen: Do i miss the point in #401? Is it just the name? |
| 14:16.54 | Skyhusker | koen: ping |
| 14:18.41 | koen | florian_kc: it's just the name |
| 14:18.44 | koen | Skyhusker: pong |
| 14:19.10 | koen | florian_kc: and maybe the 'Categories=Utility;GPE' |
| 14:19.16 | Skyhusker | koen: i have a patch to disable the libeina dependency on libmagic, would you like to apply it to oe? |
| 14:19.34 | koen | sure |
| 14:19.50 | koen | mail me or use oe bugzilla |
| 14:20.36 | florian_kc | koen: hum well... that's more or less all what is in that package. why doesn't he add his own one and leaves gpe-terminal alone? |
| 14:20.43 | florian_kc | mallum: ping |
| 14:20.53 | koen | florian_kc: duplication is pointless |
| 14:20.53 | Skyhusker | ok :) |
| 14:21.03 | Skyhusker | you'll need to add --disable-magic to ./configure |
| 14:21.04 | koen | florian_kc: renaming would be the best thing to do |
| 14:22.32 | koen | but that would require fixing lots of stuff depending on that .bb |
| 14:23.27 | mallum | florian_kc: hey |
| 14:23.41 | mallum | florian_kc: thats what I wanted to do, but koen suggested different |
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| 14:25.06 | florian_kc | mallum: ah okay... |
| 14:26.21 | RP | The other option is we sub package icons with the terminal packages. gpe can then ignore them |
| 14:26.36 | koen | heh |
| 14:26.42 | koen | gpe doesn't handle .desktops |
| 14:26.44 | florian_kc | mallum: What about the alternatives stuff, maybe it is better if we have every terminal application ship its own one. |
| 14:26.47 | koen | matchbox-desktop does |
| 14:28.22 | florian_kc | right |
| 14:28.28 | RP | florian_kc: I tried to add an icon to the package but koen asked for it to be revoked |
| 14:29.05 | florian_kc | RP: I can guess why - that would couse confusion because we end up with two icons for one app then. |
| 14:29.14 | koen | see my explanation in my mail to oe@ |
| 14:29.15 | florian_kc | s/couse/cause |
| 14:29.47 | RP | florian_kc: exactly. Hence my suggestion we sub package them |
| 14:30.44 | koen | the core of the problem is that the word 'gpe' causes violent seizures and random machine failures |
| 14:36.04 | RP | and that you can't have .desktop/icons for all the terminal emus potentially installs, just one of them |
| 14:36.51 | mallum | koen: what if gpe decided to update there gpe-terminal package with a GTK zvt based one that pulled in all sorts of deps ( perfectly logical ) |
| 14:37.13 | florian_kc | hmm.. which package contains the terminal icon? |
| 14:37.39 | mallum | koen: suddenly my slimmed down mb+rxvt image is massive with all sorts of gtk and gpe stuff in it |
| 14:38.09 | mallum | koen: I gues thats my point about the naming, it could potentially cause problems |
| 14:38.41 | reenoo | mallum: a) that's not going to happen b) you're free to not ship "gpe-terminal" in your image |
| 14:38.42 | mallum | koen: Im not just trying to be a naming stickler here |
| 14:38.58 | mallum | reenoo: oh you run gpe do you ? |
| 14:39.10 | mallum | reenoo: ( thats for a ) |
| 14:39.36 | mallum | reenoo: and b) thats what Im suggesting but koen is worried about there being too many packages |
| 14:39.54 | reenoo | ignore koen and just do it |
| 14:40.00 | mallum | reenoo: but hes bigger than me |
| 14:40.17 | reenoo | ah, I see |
| 14:41.53 | florian_kc | *g* |
| 14:42.17 | reenoo | seriously. OE is about customizing things the way you like |
| 14:42.35 | florian_kc | Hmm yes... i guess it is better just to have individual packages fore these separate tasks. |
| 14:43.37 | florian_kc | I don't think there is such a great danger that the terminal will ever pull in that huge dependencies - that would be useless. |
| 14:43.50 | reenoo | right. I don't see a point in forcing gpe specific packages onto the rest of what's in OE. the same goes for trying to force gpe packages to change because someone dislikes the name (see E crap) |
| 14:44.08 | florian_kc | Indeed... |
| 14:44.09 | reenoo | no. we can't squeeze much more into the h3600 images |
| 14:44.20 | florian_kc | reenoo: heh |
| 14:44.50 | reenoo | that's why I said replacing gpe-terminal with an actual app with lots of deps is not going to happen |
| 14:45.06 | reenoo | it wouldn't fit into the images. plain and simple |
| 14:46.24 | Skyhusker | koen: which component should i select? |
| 14:48.55 | koen | Skyhusker: build |
| 14:49.06 | Skyhusker | ok |
| 14:54.02 | Skyhusker | koen: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=402 |
| 14:54.25 | koen | Skyhusker: got it |
| 14:56.33 | florian_kc | That might be interesting for the upstream maintainer too. |
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| 15:02.28 | koen | Skyhusker: it's in |
| 15:02.44 | Skyhusker | koen: thanks :) |
| 15:03.28 | Skyhusker | florian_kc: i tried to contact him the other day, he hasn't replied yet :-/ |
| 15:08.10 | florian_kc | Skyhusker: okay... |
| 15:08.56 | florian_kc | mallum: btw. is there any new matchbox release on the horizon? It would be really great for the next familiar release! |
| 15:16.36 | mallum | florian_kc: there is 1.0 |
| 15:16.48 | mallum | florian_kc: ( on the horizon ) |
| 15:17.18 | mallum | florian_kc: you should be more than safe to pull from svn though - only fixes going in atm |
| 15:18.10 | florian_kc | mallum: right... but that ends up in really nasty dependencies. But 1.0 sounds really good! |
| 15:18.23 | florian_kc | mallum: How far is it to the horizon? |
| 15:18.31 | reenoo | sounds cool indeed |
| 15:18.46 | florian_kc | In this area it takes me ten minutes to get there ;-) |
| 15:31.11 | mallum | florian_kc: what nasty dependencies ? |
| 15:32.18 | florian_kc | mallum: it isn't that nice if you have a stable release of something depending on a cvs/svn version of some software. |
| 15:33.42 | mallum | florian_kc: oh yeah I see |
| 15:33.42 | mallum | florian_kc: better drop kdrive then ;) |
| 15:34.05 | mallum | florian_kc: whn is next fam release ? |
| 15:35.02 | reenoo | depends on when a couple of showstoppers are fixed |
| 15:35.09 | reenoo | i18n being one of them |
| 15:35.19 | florian_kc | mallum: yeah... kdrive is one of the pieces which would really need some useful release strategy. |
| 15:36.03 | florian_kc | right... iirc this is the last really bad one affecting both Opie and GPE. |
| 15:36.13 | mallum | florian_kc: I think a kdrive release is coming |
| 15:36.32 | florian_kc | mallum: That would be a really good thing! |
| 15:37.38 | mallum | florian_kc: once this modular release is done I heard rumours |
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| 18:42.28 | Ge0rgy | hi filks! |
| 18:42.32 | Ge0rgy | folks i meant |
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| 18:42.55 | mimecar | evening |
| 18:43.17 | Ge0rgy | anyone knows something about bluetooth-problems with h54xx in the latest snapshot? |
| 18:45.09 | Ge0rgy | i just tried it and found out that i can not klick on "devices" in the applet without getting the error "Inquiry failed: no such device" |
| 18:48.19 | reenoo | Ge0rgy: check the familiar@ archives |
| 18:48.48 | Ge0rgy | ok, thnaks |
| 18:50.19 | reenoo | basically you need to make sure you have the latest version of bluez-utils-dbus (...-r2) installed and that /etc/bluetooth/hciattach exists |
| 18:50.45 | Ge0rgy | ok, i'll check |
| 18:50.53 | reenoo | rather than /etc/bluetooth/hciattach.sh |
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| 19:01.25 | florian | re |
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| 19:02.49 | reenoo | florian: wb |
| 19:02.52 | reenoo | hey pb_ |
| 19:03.08 | pb_ | reenoo: good evening! |
| 19:03.12 | florian | hi reenoo, hi pb_ |
| 19:03.16 | pb_ | florian: hello! |
| 19:04.14 | florian | pb_: From what we know latest gpe-bluetooth works now... who does the release? :-) |
| 19:04.36 | pb_ | florian: ah, very good. Shall I do that? |
| 19:04.49 | Ge0rgy | ok, with the latest sanpshot it seems i only need to rename /etc/bluetooh/hciattach.sh |
| 19:05.11 | florian | pb_: that would be perfect, then i'll take care about libgpewidget later :-) |
| 19:05.32 | pb_ | okay, great. I'll do so (almost) immediately. |
| 19:06.11 | florian | Ge0rgy: ah good - the latest fix in cvs takes care about this :-) |
| 19:06.19 | Ge0rgy | oh...ok |
| 19:06.35 | Ge0rgy | but at least i do not need to update a package it seems |
| 19:07.09 | Ge0rgy | i'm glad that i could get the ipaq working again... my only PC with a serial line got broken a few days ago... hat do use the box of my brother today |
| 19:07.58 | florian | oops... |
| 19:08.30 | florian | Here there are quite a lot machines which need to break before i don't have a serial port anymore ;-) |
| 19:08.40 | Ge0rgy | well, good... import of a contact from cellphone worked flawlessly... at least after creating one dummy contact first... |
| 19:09.08 | Ge0rgy | well...the newer ones often don't have one any more |
| 19:09.34 | Ge0rgy | we had some new dell-machines at work which were usb-only! no ps/2, no serial... only an LPT and many usbs |
| 19:11.27 | reenoo | Ge0rgy: what happens when you try to import without the dummy contact? |
| 19:11.38 | Ge0rgy | hmm...sending a contact from calendar seems not to work that good... sigh... but at least i can import the contacts from the phone |
| 19:12.03 | Ge0rgy | reenoo: he said that he can not import because there was no table "contacts.urn" |
| 19:12.10 | Ge0rgy | if i remember correctly... |
| 19:13.14 | reenoo | hmm.. sounds like a bug |
| 19:13.39 | Ge0rgy | seems like the table gets created with the first contact... and is not available until that is done |
| 19:26.59 | Ge0rgy | is that dbus-stuff a new feature in this snapshot? |
| 19:32.53 | reenoo | no |
| 19:33.17 | Ge0rgy | well, some things are funny ;) |
| 19:33.58 | reenoo | someone thought it was a good idea to drop a patch in OE that enabled dbus support in bluez-utils |
| 19:34.16 | reenoo | I fixed that a few days ago |
| 19:34.32 | Ge0rgy | oh...oops *lol* |
| 19:34.56 | Ge0rgy | well, found a interesting point in the standard-config of the ipaq-buttons |
| 19:35.18 | reenoo | anyways. later all |
| 19:35.31 | Ge0rgy | bye reenoo |
| 19:38.35 | Ge0rgy | ok...its no good idea to suspend an h5450 *lol* |
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| 19:53.37 | florian | hi zecke, hi koen |
| 19:53.46 | koen | hey florian |
| 19:57.53 | Ge0rgy | bye ppl! |
| 19:58.57 | koen | zecke: do you know something about philip's dvb-h prototype? |
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| 20:32.17 | florian | hi molivier |
| 20:33.14 | zecke | koen|away: it got stolen :( |
| 20:33.25 | zecke | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.35 | florian | dvb-h? |
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| 20:49.28 | chipi | florian: did you see fiam|skyhusker ? |
| 20:53.22 | florian | chipi: yes.. this afternoon |
| 20:53.32 | chipi | florian: ok, thanks |
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| 22:55.06 | florian | good night |
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| 23:39.05 | DNAfanboy | hi all |
| 23:39.49 | DNAfanboy | what is the best way to transfer Contacts data from PalmOS to the GPE Contacts app? |
