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| 03:06.19 | *** topic/#gpe is The GPE Palmtop Environment - http://gpe.handhelds.org/ | GPE Wiki: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/GPEProject |familiar snapshots: http://familiar.handhelds.org/snapshots/ | Development Manual (in progress): http://www.kernelconcepts.de/~fuchs/gpe/doc/devmanual/ | GPE 2.7 frozen. Finish the bugfixing -> http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/GPEToFixFor2_2e7 |
| 03:13.50 | orangey | jmack: What do you mean by manual? |
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| 03:38.50 | samuel | sup all |
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| 07:53.52 | koen | good morning all |
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| 08:09.40 | bedboi | 'morning |
| 08:10.05 | koen | hey bedboi |
| 08:11.18 | bedboi | what's up? |
| 08:13.52 | bedboi | koen: 193.204.59.123/gpe-calendar.tar.bz2 |
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| 08:35.41 | florian_hrz | hi all |
| 08:37.46 | bedboi | hi there florian_hrz |
| 08:43.29 | koen | hey florian_hrz |
| 08:44.38 | florian_hrz | bedboi: Can you make a screensot of the latest gpe-calendar improvements? |
| 08:46.05 | florian_hrz | koen: Current bugfixing status looks pretty good... i see two open major issues: gpe-nmf and i18n. |
| 08:46.30 | koen | and I think some releases |
| 08:48.01 | florian_hrz | Right... but that's only a minor problem. |
| 08:49.43 | florian_hrz | I'm going to work on the gpe-conf ui a little bit before releasing this bit. |
| 08:50.09 | florian_hrz | Uh... my english sucks this morning... |
| 08:51.07 | bedboi | florian_hrz: ok |
| 08:51.12 | bedboi | wait a moment |
| 08:55.52 | bedboi | florian_hrz: scapping |
| 08:56.28 | bedboi | koen: wtf is giac? |
| 08:56.39 | koen | http://xcas.sourceforge.net/en/ |
| 08:56.47 | bedboi | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.1033.png |
| 08:56.52 | bedboi | ah, yes |
| 08:57.42 | koen | florian_hrz: gpe-calendar still has some serious bugs |
| 08:57.45 | bedboi | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.1186.png |
| 08:57.46 | florian_hrz | bedboi: ah cool - that's better. |
| 08:57.52 | koen | like bug 1402 |
| 08:58.01 | bedboi | koen: what's that? |
| 08:58.17 | bedboi | florian_hrz: i added a "delete" button to the popup |
| 08:58.28 | koen | bedboi: http://handhelds.org/~bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1402 |
| 08:58.46 | florian_hrz | bedboi: that's a good idea... |
| 08:59.01 | bedboi | florian_hrz: yes, it's quite handy |
| 08:59.37 | bedboi | koen: cool bug |
| 08:59.59 | florian_hrz | bedboi: being able to delete some piece of data without the need to display it is always a good idea. |
| 09:00.29 | florian_hrz | koen: Sounds nasty to identify but not too complicated to fix. |
| 09:00.44 | bedboi | yes. it must be hidden in event-ui.c |
| 09:00.48 | florian_hrz | koen: The i18n thing is something i really worry about. |
| 09:02.13 | bedboi | i never cared about i18n, utf and charset stuff... i hardly know what they are |
| 09:03.36 | florian_hrz | bedboi: right... most developers really don't care - that's why it isn't fixed. But unexperienced users do... currently it is toally broken in OE. |
| 09:05.06 | bedboi | florian_hrz: just a lame question. how to display accented characters? |
| 09:06.41 | florian_hrz | bedboi: gtk should work fine with utf8 if the font is able to display these chars. |
| 09:07.01 | bedboi | i just have to select the right locale |
| 09:08.47 | florian_hrz | right... gettext() (usually defined as _() in the applications) automatically gets the translations from english to the selected locale from the translation files. |
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| 09:16.13 | florian_hrz | bedboi: gpe-calendar really looks better now... imho we should try to release this soon and hopefully get some feedback about remaining bugs then. :-) |
| 09:16.19 | florian_hrz | pb_: good morning! |
| 09:16.55 | pb_ | florian_hrz: good morning! |
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| 09:18.52 | koen | is the i18n stuff a gpe bug? |
| 09:19.13 | florian_hrz | koen: no... thats an oe/glibc issue. |
| 09:19.36 | florian_hrz | koen: that will affect all software in any oe image. |
| 09:21.21 | koen | so why is it in the gpe bugs wiki? |
| 09:22.01 | florian_hrz | good question... its more a showstopper for the familiar release. |
| 10:15.31 | koen | I have a feeling that this matlab program will require >10 hours to complete all runs |
| 10:15.37 | koen | ~lart large datasets |
| 10:19.17 | bedboi | koen: you should lart matlab too :) |
| 10:19.58 | florian_hrz | bbl |
| 10:23.06 | bedboi | ~lart ns-2 |
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| 10:43.36 | florian_kc | re |
| 10:43.40 | koen | hey florian_kc |
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| 10:48.53 | reenoo | morning |
| 10:50.34 | florian_kc | reenoo: hi |
| 10:50.53 | reenoo | morning florian_kc |
| 11:03.32 | bedboi|eating | later |
| 11:05.03 | florian_kc | bedboi|eating: enjoy |
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| 11:30.58 | koen | bedboi|eating: could you add some kind of border around the appointment popup? |
| 11:32.08 | koen | it has too little contrast and makes people think something is broken since all other popups have a border. http://handhelds.org/scap/land.1186.png |
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| 11:34.16 | florian_kc | hi lolita__ |
| 11:38.48 | florian_kc | koen: do we have the opensync stuff in the unstable familiar images? |
| 11:39.01 | koen | it should be |
| 11:39.41 | koen | gpesyncd should be installed |
| 11:40.33 | florian_kc | Very good... |
| 11:40.47 | florian_kc | koen: thanks |
| 11:42.45 | XorA | koen: how do you use gpesyncd? |
| 11:43.29 | koen | like this: http://handhelds.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/gpe/base/gpe-opensync/INSTALL?rev=1.3&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup |
| 11:45.01 | XorA | koen: cool cheers |
| 11:46.21 | florian_kc | koen: The familiar images > 0.7.2 are still missing a /etc/familiar-version file... |
| 11:49.58 | koen | what's the format of that file? |
| 11:50.10 | florian_kc | ah.. let me see |
| 11:55.11 | reenoo | speaking of missing stuff |
| 11:55.42 | reenoo | florian_kc: I understand it the rotation xmodmaps have been added to xserver-common or something? |
| 11:56.36 | florian_kc | koen: it just contains a line "Familiar <version>" |
| 11:57.00 | florian_kc | reenoo: yes... |
| 11:58.35 | reenoo | florian_kc: ok, cool. so, that stuff is included in the images now and I can mark OE Bug #203 as fixed? |
| 11:59.25 | koen | cairo 1.0.2 is out |
| 11:59.39 | florian_kc | reenoo: I didn't try if it is working myself, but i guess so... yes. |
| 11:59.47 | florian_kc | koen: didn't you try this? |
| 11:59.56 | koen | the maps work |
| 12:02.59 | reenoo | excellent |
| 12:03.05 | reenoo | I marked the bug as fixed |
| 12:08.28 | florian_kc | very good |
| 12:08.41 | koen | MT: add_file "packages/familiar/familiar-version.bb" |
| 12:09.01 | florian_kc | koen: cool! |
| 12:09.33 | florian_kc | koen: Then we can male applications (like gpe-info) show the correct version numbers again. |
| 12:09.39 | florian_kc | s/male/make |
| 12:10.02 | florian_kc | I guess the matching Opie tool will like this too. |
| 12:10.25 | reenoo | hmm. doesn't OE have some generic DISTRO/DISTRO_VERSION variables for that? in that case this should probably be distro-version.bb and used by all distros... |
| 12:10.49 | koen | echo "Familiar ${DISTRO_VERSION}" > ${D}${sysconfdir}/familiar-version |
| 12:10.59 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 12:12.06 | reenoo | hmm. I see |
| 12:12.16 | reenoo | familiar vs. Familiar |
| 12:15.08 | koen | DEPENDS_append_familiar = "familiar-version" in task-bootstrap should do the trick |
| 12:16.01 | reenoo | better add BOOTSTRAP_EXTRA_(R)DEPENDS += "familiar-version" to familiar.conf |
| 12:16.21 | koen | heh |
| 12:16.23 | koen | of course |
| 12:24.05 | koen | after >40 minutes of compiling on a dual opteron it fails |
| 13:15.15 | bedboi | anyone knows a way to do videoconference behind NAT |
| 13:29.41 | koen | http://tieguy.org/blog/index.cgi/477 illustrates the talk we had yesterday |
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| 13:48.18 | reenoo | yeah. fwiw, I fully agree with the "have a full-time (or several) GNOME developers" |
| 13:48.47 | koen | patch penguins |
| 13:48.51 | koen | to use kernel-slang |
| 13:50.26 | reenoo | well. I was just trying to highlight the fact that this type of stuff is a time consuming task that's not only tedious but also requires a lot of knowledge |
| 13:50.37 | koen | indeed |
| 13:50.54 | koen | D'oh, the gpe-ownderinfo fix wasn't in the branch |
| 13:58.52 | reenoo | These tests check a feature called "selective linking". This |
| 13:58.52 | reenoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:58.52 | reenoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:58.54 | reenoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:59.50 | reenoo | (from the csl-arm readme) |
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| 14:02.11 | florian_kc | re |
| 14:04.06 | koen | florian_kc: wb |
| 14:11.47 | bedboi | my gf is using ubuntu and it seems that all the action she takes (with the gui) are delayed by 10 minutes |
| 14:13.11 | florian_kc | oops |
| 14:14.10 | ||cw | bedboi: I use ubuntu, it's probably the most responsive linux I've ever used |
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| 14:14.30 | bedboi | i know |
| 14:14.41 | bedboi | btw she suddenly have this problem |
| 14:14.51 | ||cw | somehting's locked up then |
| 14:15.04 | ||cw | hard disk going nuts? |
| 14:15.28 | ||cw | oh, did she apply updates that included xorg and not reset the x server (log off and back on) |
| 14:15.35 | ||cw | that happened to me once |
| 14:15.53 | bedboi | no she didn't updated anything |
| 14:16.17 | jsmanrique | hi |
| 14:18.59 | reenoo | hi jsmanrique |
| 14:19.31 | jsmanrique | reenoo: hi! |
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| 14:24.31 | jsmanrique | hi koen |
| 14:26.52 | koen | hey jsmanrique |
| 14:32.45 | koen | florian_kc: I have either a bug in gpe-conf or a bug in your info :) |
| 14:32.51 | koen | florian_kc: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.25854.png |
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| 14:36.10 | florian_kc | lolita__: wb |
| 14:36.31 | lolita__ | hello florian_kc |
| 14:36.39 | lolita__ | i'm back tu university |
| 14:36.54 | lolita__ | a bit stressy who thinks that they start lectures in first week ... |
| 14:37.09 | florian_kc | :-) |
| 14:37.56 | florian_kc | koen: hrm... wait |
| 14:39.34 | florian_kc | koen: does your file start with an empty line? |
| 14:39.47 | koen | koen@drone:~$ cat /etc/familiar-version |
| 14:39.47 | koen | Familiar v0.8.3-unofficial-unsupported-snapshot-20051005 |
| 14:39.48 | koen | koen@drone:~$ |
| 14:40.31 | florian_kc | hmm okay... |
| 14:43.34 | koen | h3900 image has 11.8MB free on / |
| 14:45.36 | koen | what do we want to ship as an extra? |
| 14:45.49 | koen | a media-player? gpe-filemanager? evince? |
| 14:46.02 | koen | or do we want to keep it this way? |
| 14:46.37 | florian_kc | The filemanager should be pretty small... |
| 14:47.32 | koen | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.26917.png |
| 14:52.06 | rob_w-cgi | koen find some solitaire .. iam missing this big ways |
| 14:53.34 | jsmanrique | koen: filemanager and mediplayer are a must |
| 15:02.34 | reenoo | what type of "mediaplayer" are you guys thinking of? I'm not aware of any player I'd want in the default images... |
| 15:03.28 | florian_kc | maybe gpe-nmf, but not in its current state.... |
| 15:04.09 | reenoo | isn't nmf in by default? I used to think it was |
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| 15:11.19 | koen | reenoo: no media player of any count in the default images |
| 15:11.31 | koen | well, 'cat', but that doesn't count |
| 15:12.58 | florian_kc | koen: i fond the issue... it was missing /etc/familiar-timestamp |
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| 15:18.43 | koen | something like this: http://pastebin.com/383886 |
| 15:20.14 | rob_w-cgi | where do i need to put a xmodmap file so it is called for every user every time ? |
| 15:20.55 | koen | rob_w-cgi: take a look at http://handhelds.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/gpe/base/xserver-common/ |
| 15:22.22 | rob_w-cgi | thanks |
| 15:22.39 | koen | especially X11 / Xinit.d / 12keymap |
| 15:23.29 | rob_w-cgi | ah that is easy |
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| 15:23.54 | Skyhusker | hi |
| 15:24.02 | koen | hey Skyhusker |
| 15:24.04 | Skyhusker | has anybody tested gpe-nmf from unstable feed? |
| 15:24.08 | Skyhusker | key koen |
| 15:24.40 | florian_kc | Skyhusker: yes... it is bad, thats the next thing i'm going to do for the release. |
| 15:25.18 | Skyhusker | florian_kc: nice :) |
| 15:26.59 | florian_kc | koen: I just checked in a fix for gpe-conf to work without the familiar-timestamp, but that one would be a good extension anyway. We could ship an updated version in the update feed so you can see what the date of the installed system is. |
| 15:27.26 | reenoo | koen: can we fit gpe-theme-industrial into the default images? i.e. on h3900 _and_ h3600? |
| 15:27.54 | koen | reenoo: I think so |
| 15:28.16 | koen | h3600-image is 14MB |
| 15:29.12 | koen | gpe-mini-browser would fit in there too, but that would leave *very* little space |
| 15:29.23 | reenoo | ok. how about using it as the default theme? ;) |
| 15:29.47 | koen | I'm all for it |
| 15:30.05 | koen | it will need some gpe-conf(?) tweaking |
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| 15:31.31 | koen | I have no idea on how to make it the default theme in gpe |
| 15:31.38 | florian_kc | No... the default settings. what's the size of the theme? |
| 15:32.18 | Skyhusker | re |
| 15:32.19 | Skyhusker | you should make industrial the default theme, it looks really good |
| 15:32.20 | koen | industrial is already in the default images |
| 15:32.46 | koen | even in h3600 |
| 15:33.34 | Skyhusker | btw koen, i think ipsec should be removed from the bootstrap images |
| 15:33.43 | Skyhusker | it's in the image, but it isn't the default theme |
| 15:34.28 | koen | Skyhusker: ipsec was discussed before and it was decided that it should be in |
| 15:34.39 | koen | Skyhusker: feel free to raise the point on oe@ |
| 15:34.49 | reenoo | heh |
| 15:34.54 | reenoo | please don't |
| 15:35.00 | reenoo | not another flamewar |
| 15:35.03 | reenoo | please |
| 15:35.10 | Skyhusker | koen: i know the reasons, but i think if someone needs ipsec he probably knows how to install it |
| 15:35.22 | Skyhusker | reenoo: we'are not flaming, just discussing |
| 15:35.45 | florian_kc | heh |
| 15:35.51 | reenoo | Skyhusker: if someone needs ipsec he can't install it without ipsec |
| 15:36.12 | Skyhusker | reenoo: he always can install it trought serial or usb interface |
| 15:36.19 | reenoo | Skyhusker: I was referring to the 'on oe@' part. you will get a flamewar there |
| 15:36.37 | florian_kc | reenoo: hmm... well... really? |
| 15:36.41 | Skyhusker | reenoo: ah, ok :) |
| 15:37.14 | reenoo | florian_kc: yeah. some opie people have declared war on any non-pim apps in the default images |
| 15:37.42 | florian_kc | reenoo: oh dear... i must have missed that. |
| 15:38.21 | florian_kc | Does ipsec+x.509 work in the default images? |
| 15:38.35 | reenoo | koen: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.1186.png <-- that's the current industrial theme, right? |
| 15:38.41 | Skyhusker | don't know, i've never needed it :p |
| 15:39.30 | reenoo | florian_kc: dunno. I never managed to get openswan to talk to my KAME based setup |
| 15:40.11 | Skyhusker | reenoo: yes, that's industrial |
| 15:40.55 | reenoo | koen: I'm not sure about the matchbox theme that goes with it. I think we shouldn't move the 'x' button around. your tweaked mbopus theme might be a better plan |
| 15:41.29 | reenoo | s/plan/choice |
| 15:42.33 | reenoo | i.e. use this matchbox theme http://handhelds.org/scap/port.25854.png with the industrial gtk+ theme |
| 15:43.15 | florian_kc | reenoo: I'm just working on a solution for the opposite direction :-) |
| 15:43.44 | florian_kc | reenoo: hmm right, the matchbox theme is ugly. |
| 15:44.27 | florian_kc | s/matchbox theme/matchbox theme included in industrial |
| 15:44.38 | reenoo | agreed |
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| 15:48.45 | florian_kc | hi pH5 |
| 15:49.02 | pH5 | hi florian_kc |
| 15:49.46 | florian_kc | mickeyl: wb |
| 15:50.18 | mickeyl | hey florian_kc |
| 15:50.46 | Skyhusker | hey mickeyl |
| 15:52.56 | koen | reenoo: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.1186.png is the old one |
| 15:53.07 | koen | it still has the wide scrollbars |
| 15:54.30 | reenoo | ah, right |
| 15:54.43 | reenoo | how about the matchbox theme? |
| 15:55.23 | koen | didn't touch that |
| 15:55.39 | koen | I'm one of the few people who don't find it ugly :) |
| 15:55.44 | koen | anyway |
| 15:55.47 | koen|food | bbl |
| 15:55.59 | florian_kc | :-) |
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| 15:56.23 | florian_kc | TyggerBob: hello! |
| 15:56.35 | TyggerBob | Hi florian_kc |
| 16:08.26 | florian_kc | Skyhusker: I got the patch... will try this evening. |
| 16:09.00 | Skyhusker | florian_kc: don't worry, we have a lot of time :) |
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| 16:24.17 | koen|food | proposed gpe-image patch: http://pastebin.com/383965 |
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| 16:37.55 | florian_kc | koen|food: bigscreen == bigflash? |
| 16:39.05 | pH5 | florian_kc: bigscreen == vga and more, isn't it? |
| 16:40.02 | florian_kc | Then i don't understand line 30. |
| 16:41.13 | florian_kc | But thats indepenent from the patch :-) |
| 16:42.07 | pH5 | if figment is in both _bigscreen and _smallscreen, why not put it into GPE_EXTRA_DEPENDS/INSTALL directly? |
| 16:42.18 | florian_kc | right |
| 16:42.32 | pH5 | i also don't understand why gpe-mini-browser should only be installed for smallscreen devices |
| 16:42.33 | florian_kc | Does linphone-hh work? |
| 16:43.04 | florian_kc | hmm right, if we have enough space it would be nice to have them in both images. |
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| 16:49.03 | florian_kc | koen|food: But apart from this it is fine :-) |
| 16:50.19 | Bilbolodz | I've a problem with suspendig/wakeing up PDA with hardware key (Simpad) doesn't work :-( any ideas? |
| 16:50.49 | Bilbolodz | "fresh" GPE build from OE sources |
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| 16:53.34 | florian_kc | Bilbolodz: Does "apm -s" work? |
| 16:54.00 | florian_kc | bedboi: wb |
| 16:54.21 | Bilbolodz | yes |
| 16:54.46 | Bilbolodz | but after that the only way to "wake up" is reset |
| 16:55.04 | bedboi | hi florian |
| 16:55.08 | florian_kc | Bilbolodz: I built a fresh image too, i'll test it this evening... |
| 16:55.17 | Bilbolodz | OK, thanks |
| 16:55.22 | florian_kc | Bilbolodz: oh... that sounds nasty. |
| 16:57.14 | _law_ | has anyone an current SLXXX Gpe Rom? |
| 16:57.25 | _law_ | suspend doesnt work for me |
| 16:58.09 | Bilbolodz | welcome to the club ;-) me too |
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| 16:58.37 | florian_kc | Oh cool... sounds like some work. :-/ |
| 16:59.50 | _law_ | Bilbolodz: have you tried opie? |
| 16:59.56 | _law_ | or is it an kernel problem |
| 17:00.11 | Bilbolodz | not yet |
| 17:00.32 | Bilbolodz | I can try, where can I get fresh image file? |
| 17:01.07 | reenoo | suspend/resume is unrelated to opie vs. gpe |
| 17:01.19 | Bilbolodz | There is something in Bugzilla but not rather connected with Simpad: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54 |
| 17:01.31 | Bilbolodz | reenoo: I agree |
| 17:01.57 | reenoo | has it ever worked at all for you? |
| 17:02.22 | _law_ | reenoo: yes |
| 17:02.24 | reenoo | I believe there were some issues with the bootloader preventing resuming from working |
| 17:02.41 | reenoo | _law_: you are on an entirely different platform |
| 17:03.21 | _law_ | Bilbolodz: have you an Z SLxxx ? |
| 17:04.29 | reenoo | _law_: no. scroll up a bit and read |
| 17:06.48 | koen | a slightly improved version: http://pastebin.com/384032 |
| 17:11.23 | florian_kc | looks better... |
| 17:13.06 | Bilbolodz | reenoo: sometimes ago yes, |
| 17:13.27 | Bilbolodz | _law_: nop, Simpad |
| 17:13.43 | florian_kc | bbl |
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| 17:22.37 | Bilbolodz | Update: apm --suspend (and also sometime presing on/off key) freeze display/touch screen (but not blank it). Shell on serial is still working. To get screen working again I've to kill Xfbdev |
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| 17:26.02 | pH5 | Bilbolodz: that's probably an apm kernel bug. look at packages/xserver/xserver-kdrive_*.bb and add the disable-apm.patch to your build |
| 17:26.15 | pH5 | to work around it |
| 17:31.12 | Bilbolodz | which bb: xserver-kdrive_20050207.bb xserver-kdrive_cvs.bb |
| 17:31.12 | Bilbolodz | xserver-kdrive_20050624.bb xserver-kdrive-omap_6.6.3.bb |
| 17:31.12 | Bilbolodz | ? |
| 17:32.32 | pH5 | Bilbolodz: look at xserver-kdrive_20050207.bb to see how to add the patch (it's already added there for some machines). |
| 17:32.59 | pH5 | Bilbolodz: i don't know which .bb you are using to build, but you'd obviously have to add the patch to that one. |
| 17:34.12 | Bilbolodz | OK |
| 17:39.43 | Bilbolodz | pH5: hmm.... how to check it? in gpe-image.bb there is: XSERVER ?= "xserver-kdrive-fbdev" |
| 17:42.37 | Bilbolodz | pH5: OK I've dir: xserver-kdrive-0.0cvs20050207-r3 in build/work dir so it's probably cvs version |
| 17:43.25 | pH5 | Bilbolodz: that is the fixed date cvs version in xserver-kdrive_20050207.bb |
| 17:44.27 | Bilbolodz | So does it mean that I've already have this patch included? |
| 17:46.16 | pH5 | Bilbolodz: no, you'd have to add SRC_URI_append_simpad = "file://disable-apm.patch;patch=1" (if simpad is your machine type) |
| 17:47.01 | Bilbolodz | to xserver-kdrive_20050207.bb? |
| 17:48.16 | pH5 | Bilbolodz: yes |
| 17:48.33 | Bilbolodz | OK, |
| 17:49.05 | Bilbolodz | bitbake working ..... |
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| 19:05.31 | Bilbolodz | pH5: Something is wrong: disable-apm.patch isn't applied! |
| 19:05.34 | Bilbolodz | NOTE: package xserver-kdrive-0.0cvs20050207-r3: task do_patch: started |
| 19:05.34 | Bilbolodz | NOTE: Applying patch 'kmode.patch' |
| 19:05.34 | Bilbolodz | NOTE: Applying patch 'fbdev-not-fix.patch' |
| 19:05.35 | Bilbolodz | NOTE: package xserver-kdrive-0.0cvs20050207-r3: task do_patch: completed |
| 19:06.19 | Bilbolodz | [bilbo@pc-bilbo OE]$ grep simpad org.openembedded.dev/packages/xserver/xserver-kdrive_20050207.bb |
| 19:06.19 | Bilbolodz | SRC_URI_append_simpad = "file://disable-apm.patch;patch=1" |
| 19:06.20 | Bilbolodz | PACKAGE_ARCH_simpad = "simpad" |
| 19:10.42 | pH5 | Bilbolodz: start bitbake -i and enter getvar OVERRIDES. is there "simpad" in the colon separated list? |
| 19:12.01 | Bilbolodz | BB>> getvar OVERRIDES |
| 19:12.01 | Bilbolodz | kernel24:local:simpad:openzaurus:linux:arm:build-linux |
| 19:20.12 | pH5 | Bilbolodz: I don't understand that. Did you edit the bb file after bitbake's parse step? If you had an interactive bitbake opened you have to reparse xserver-kdrive. |
| 19:21.48 | Bilbolodz | I've edited b file and removes any traces of xserver-kdrive..... from build dir (work and stamps) |
| 19:21.55 | Bilbolodz | removed |
| 19:28.53 | Bilbolodz | ph5: BB>> reparse xserver-kdrive SHELL: Found bbfile '/home/bilbo/OE/org.openembedded.dev/packages/xserver/xserver-kdrive_20050207.bb' for 'xserver-kd SHELL: Parsing '/home/bilbo/OE/org.openembedded.dev/packages/xserver/xserver-kdrive_20050207.bb' SHELL: File has not been updated, not reparsing |
| 19:30.11 | Bilbolodz | pH5: I've installed opie image. Off key to working but I can suspend sipad form menu and wake up by pressing on/off key |
| 19:31.15 | pH5 | Bilbolodz: the problem with the gpe image is that the x server triggers a kernel bug if the apm code is left in there |
| 19:31.52 | Bilbolodz | OK I see, |
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| 19:46.28 | florian | re |
| 19:48.49 | florian | Bilbolodz: Which bootloader do you use? Apart from the suspend button the image seems to work well here. |
| 19:51.03 | Bilbolodz | florian: this one: http://opensimpad.org/bootldr-simpad/blupdater.img url taken from: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=13672&st=30 |
| 19:51.32 | florian | ah... that should be the correct one... |
| 19:51.41 | florian | Bilbolodz: That image is new? |
| 19:52.29 | Bilbolodz | GPE? fresh build from OE sources I've made pull about 17:00 (now is 21:52) ;-) |
| 19:54.02 | florian | hrm.. thats much more up to date than mine. |
| 19:54.18 | florian | Which kernel? |
| 19:55.24 | Bilbolodz | 2.4.27-vrs1-pxa1-jpm1 |
| 19:56.55 | florian | I'll clear the cache and update my image... that shouldn't take that long. |
| 19:58.00 | Bilbolodz | ok |
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| 19:58.19 | koen|tv | hey rob_w |
| 19:58.43 | rob_w | whats in the tube koen|tv ? |
| 19:58.58 | koen|tv | 'reindear games' |
| 19:59.42 | koen|tv | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0184858/?fr=c2l0ZT1kZnx0dD0xfGZiPXV8cG49MHxxPVJlaW5kZWVyIEdhbWVzfG14PTIwfGxtPTUwMHxodG1sPTE_;fc=1;ft=20;fm=1 |
| 19:59.49 | florian | Gnome is still usable at 200MHz... |
| 19:59.50 | koen|tv | moderatly interesting |
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| 20:00.14 | koen|tv | florian: I think ram counts the most in gnome |
| 20:01.06 | florian | koen|tv: Its not that much... 192mb i have in this box. |
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| 20:01.52 | koen|tv | not much... |
| 20:02.10 | koen|tv | I have use computers with 512kB of ram |
| 20:02.22 | koen|tv | which occupied most of the mainboard |
| 20:02.33 | florian | :-) |
| 20:03.04 | florian | My first computer had 64kb and suffered from this effect. |
| 20:04.23 | florian | hmm.. gtk webcore isn't in debian i guess?! |
| 20:04.48 | koen|tv | not that I know off |
| 20:06.02 | florian | Hmm okay... building it for gpe-mini-browser might take some time on this box. |
| 20:06.57 | mreimer | my first computer was a timex-sinclair zx81 with 1K RAM |
| 20:09.08 | Bilbolodz | I think ZX81 had 16 kb ram |
| 20:09.50 | mreimer | maybe mine was a ZX80. I know it only had 1K. Later I got a 16K expansion pack |
| 20:10.24 | florian | heh... i still have one of these somewhere. |
| 20:10.35 | florian | Bilbolodz: with the sxpansion iirc |
| 20:10.36 | Bilbolodz | I agree my fault |
| 20:11.04 | Bilbolodz | florian: sorry I didn't get it! |
| 20:11.16 | florian | :-) |
| 20:29.34 | florian | Why does this Simpad image still default to this useless 2.6 kernel? :-/ |
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| 20:30.59 | Bilbolodz | because 2.6 is not stable on Simpad |
| 20:31.11 | Bilbolodz | or even not working at all |
| 20:31.19 | florian | Bilbolodz: sounds like a reason ;-) |
| 20:31.37 | koen | set KERNEL=kernel24 in local.conf |
| 20:32.28 | florian | koen: yes thats the fix... but the default is broken which is bad. |
| 20:32.59 | koen | the 2.4 kernel isn't exactly legal with that mq driver anyway |
| 20:33.53 | florian | thats the first time i hear of an issue about that... |
| 20:36.51 | florian | imho you can find plenty of pieces of code with some unclear licensing... i just don't want to fight all this breakage over and over again. |
| 20:41.22 | reenoo | the simpad.conf defaults to 2.4 now |
| 20:42.41 | florian | reenoo: many thanks! |
| 20:42.52 | reenoo | err. I haven't touched it |
| 20:43.19 | florian | reenoo: ah... maybe we don't have this in the familiar branch. |
| 20:43.31 | koen | that could be |
| 20:43.42 | koen | feel free to attach the patches to #350 |
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| 20:44.31 | florian | hrm.. too bad we can't just merge in changes from upstream :-/ |
| 20:51.46 | florian | koen: the opensimpad 2.4 kernel seems to lack some patches in the oz/fam branch. |
| 20:52.17 | koen | every patch after 29-7 to be exact |
| 20:52.59 | florian | Why? |
| 20:53.43 | koen | because noone proposed them to #350 |
| 20:54.24 | florian | But that wouldn't lead to an inconsistent branch... |
| 20:55.28 | koen | the branch happened on 29-7 |
| 20:55.52 | florian | Then we have two possible situations: |
| 20:56.09 | koen | and every patch which should go into the .oz354fam083 branch goes trough bug #350 |
| 20:56.21 | florian | 1. It was broken/inconsistent at this day - then we need to fix that right now. |
| 20:56.36 | reenoo | koen: I think you are referring to 20050927 |
| 20:56.48 | koen | reenoo: ah, yes |
| 20:57.18 | florian | 2. Someone updated the bb without adding the patch - that would be a bad checkin without testing. |
| 20:59.10 | reenoo | http://monotone.vanille.de/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=a255fc4c42beef5ac219695bba56d4c2f8d46d37 |
| 21:00.14 | florian | reenoo: ah right... i just found out the same :-) |
| 21:00.28 | florian | koen: thats a candidate for #350 |
| 21:00.37 | florian | resolves to 1. |
| 21:02.03 | koen | florian: feel free to add the patches |
| 21:02.10 | koen | I don't have a simpad to test on |
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| 21:04.39 | florian | koen: Wouldn't it make more sense just to check in these showstoppers directly? |
| 21:06.02 | koen | I prefer them in #350 first |
| 21:08.53 | florian | Hrm... software doesn't seem to like me :-/ viewmtn is broken too :-( |
| 21:09.31 | koen | 'night all |
| 21:09.35 | florian | koen: good night |
| 21:10.03 | reenoo | heh. that was quick |
| 21:11.01 | florian | he had a reason... ;-) i would have asked for a hint how to create patches from the revision... |
| 21:11.57 | florian | Oh well... and now hh.org is down :-/ |
| 21:12.02 | florian | ~lart software |
| 21:13.35 | reenoo | monotone diff <rev1> <rev2> |
| 21:14.28 | Bilbolodz | florian: OK, soo have you any solution for me? |
| 21:14.29 | florian | reenoo: thanks |
| 21:14.41 | florian | Bilbolodz: not yet... |
| 21:14.51 | Bilbolodz | ;-( |
| 21:15.01 | florian | ~lart Totem for not working without HAL |
| 21:15.18 | reenoo | florian: I take it you aren't subscribed to oe-commits then? |
| 21:15.26 | reenoo | (should fix that) |
| 21:16.54 | florian | reenoo: not really... is that really useful? |
| 21:17.10 | reenoo | yes |
| 21:17.31 | reenoo | I mean, you'd have the patch in your mailbox now... |
| 21:18.52 | reenoo | all patches that go into OE are sent to oe-commits |
| 21:19.08 | reenoo | large (really large) patches are truncated though |
| 21:20.38 | reenoo | and if everyone respects the commit message policy I wrote a while back you can just search the Subject: for the package name, etc. |
| 21:21.15 | florian | hmm.. in this case that would be useful. |
| 21:21.26 | Bilbolodz | Florian: so I will ask you again in a few days, OK? |
| 21:21.41 | florian | But anyway this way of keeping a branch up to date is a pain. |
| 21:22.23 | reenoo | yah. personally I don't understand the branching |
| 21:22.37 | florian | Bilbolodz: okay... but i'll test the new image today anyway. |
| 21:23.16 | reenoo | I'd prefer an always working trunk and as many broken branches as people like |
| 21:23.44 | florian | reenoo: I suggested it to have a clean state we can reproduce and keep up to make it easy to create compatible update packages. |
| 21:24.00 | reenoo | well. sure |
| 21:24.18 | reenoo | but for that purpose you'd branch off right _after_ the release |
| 21:24.22 | florian | reenoo: And from what we know it is not easy to keep the upstream tree working perfectly. |
| 21:25.27 | reenoo | the same goes for not missing relevant stuff for the "stable" branch |
| 21:26.16 | florian | reenoo: But "stable" involves testing which can't be done properly if things are changing all the time. |
| 21:27.21 | florian | reenoo: But you are right to some extend - that's the theory. In reality we are using a RCS which is not able to merge single bits from one branch to another which makes the whole thing a pain. |
| 21:27.28 | Bilbolodz | florian: great! |
| 21:28.01 | reenoo | well. the stable branch is changing all the time as well |
| 21:28.13 | reenoo | it just lags behind a bit |
| 21:28.34 | reenoo | which means you have to track *two* branches to make sure things remain working |
| 21:30.00 | florian | reenoo: but it doesn't change that much... the real problem is that using Monotone it takes much of time updating the stable branch. If merging in changes from dev branch would be supported this task would be really easy. |
| 21:32.47 | reenoo | cd stable-branch; (cd dev-branch && monotone diff <rev1> <rev2>) | patch -p0 && monotone commit -m 'merged in differences between <rev1> <rev2>' |
| 21:32.59 | florian | And now that Koen decided not to check in patches directly it becomes even more work. |
| 21:33.21 | reenoo | that's more of a problem, yeah |
| 21:33.51 | reenoo | the rest would be covered by the above line of bash |
| 21:33.59 | florian | reenoo: For me its not that easy.. i need to take care about a pile of local stuff and experimental things and changes. |
| 21:35.00 | reenoo | you wouldn't execute that command |
| 21:35.14 | reenoo | whoever maintains the stable branch would |
| 21:35.32 | reenoo | and there would be no local modifications in that branch |
| 21:35.42 | florian | well... that's not limited to a single person imho. |
| 21:36.00 | reenoo | koen and mickeyl have decided it is |
| 21:36.10 | reenoo | Familiar == Koen |
| 21:36.51 | florian | :-) |
| 21:38.09 | florian | Well... they will have to live with the fact that they will have to do this and that this may have negative impact on the quality. |
| 21:43.12 | reenoo | well. if you look at the recent postings on familiar@ quality isn't all that great... |
| 21:44.58 | florian | Yes... we really have to work on this. We really need a proper release instead of a snapshot-like release we made the last time. |
| 21:51.14 | reenoo | not sure |
| 21:51.43 | reenoo | we should stop people pushing stuff that's never been tested on a target device |
| 21:52.40 | reenoo | personally I never push a new upstream version into the OE repo unless I've tested in on my ipaq |
| 21:53.07 | florian | Right... that would be an important step into the correct direction. |
| 21:53.33 | florian | I guess that broken simpad patch stuff was caused by a missing test. |
| 21:53.40 | florian | just one more example... |
| 21:54.52 | reenoo | well. that was easy to spot. I'm talking about hrw's and other people's mass updates |
| 21:55.30 | reenoo | copy .bb. check whether it builds. push |
| 21:55.49 | reenoo | has resulted in major breakage more than once |
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| 21:56.08 | florian | I wonder how similar projects deal with that issue... |
| 21:56.15 | reenoo | I suspect the wireless issues suffer from that right now |
| 21:56.32 | reenoo | s/suffer from/have been caused by |
| 21:56.52 | florian | hmm right, very likely... |
| 21:59.33 | reenoo | should check with the nslu2 people |
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| 22:00.57 | reenoo | well. the nslu2 people created a snapshot of all versions and dumped them into a .conf as a starting point |
| 22:01.13 | reenoo | then only incremented versions selectively in the .conf |
| 22:01.24 | reenoo | as I understand it anyway |
| 22:04.00 | florian | Maybe not the best solution i can think of... but with the current RCS maybe the most useful. |
| 22:11.05 | reenoo | the point is that nothing can go in unnoticed |
| 22:11.20 | reenoo | no matter how many new .bbs are added |
| 22:12.22 | florian | right... |
| 22:12.57 | reenoo | but just like the stable branch it creates a lot of maintenance overhead |
| 22:14.07 | florian | but it is easier than attaching everything to a patch... |
| 22:14.37 | florian | as soon as the release is out you only need to merge in important fixes for the update feed. |
| 22:23.36 | florian | reenoo: Do you have an iPaq with an up to date image? |
| 22:25.09 | reenoo | no. I only have one pda that needs to be up and running all the time |
| 22:25.54 | florian | I wonder why ogg playback works on my pc and not on the PDAs. |
| 22:26.46 | reenoo | probably because you aren't using ivorbis on your pc |
| 22:27.55 | reenoo | I do have a working and afaik up to date gstreamer setup on my ipaq though |
| 22:28.10 | reenoo | if that's what you're looking for |
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| 22:35.06 | florian | hmm... i don't even have a workcing edcoder on mine :-/ |
| 22:38.17 | reenoo | gst-launch file:///path/to/file.ogg ! decodebin ! esdsink |
| 22:38.20 | reenoo | works here |
| 22:38.55 | florian | That's good... gpe-nmf should more or less the same. |
| 22:58.36 | reenoo | heh |
| 22:58.38 | reenoo | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.23541.png |
| 22:58.51 | reenoo | I feel.. kind of.. locked out |
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| 23:05.42 | florian | reenoo: yes it does... |
| 23:05.53 | florian | *phew* |
| 23:08.03 | reenoo | hmm, ok. must be a problem with the gpe-login in 0.8.2 then |
| 23:09.08 | florian | Yes... i remember i fixed this a while ago. |
| 23:09.34 | reenoo | good to hear |
| 23:10.00 | reenoo | what happens if xkbd isn't installed? will it use matchbox-keyboard instead? |
| 23:10.45 | florian | Hmm.. no... but some kind of relase of matchbox-keyboard would be a motivation to add that :-) |
| 23:11.38 | reenoo | ah, so matchbox-keyboard isn't in any of the images yet? I thought I had seen it on bigscreen scaps |
| 23:12.44 | reenoo | guess I'll ask koen tomorrow |
| 23:12.59 | reenoo | 'night all |
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| 23:13.12 | florian | reenoo: good night |
| 23:13.16 | florian | hi krokas__ |
| 23:14.11 | krokas__ | hi florian |
| 23:16.50 | florian | good night |
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