| 00:18.46 | chipi | 'night |
| 00:20.00 | florian_kc | good night |
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| 00:55.27 | Russ | koen: bummer, I was hoping that sometime during the night, you rebuilt mpd |
| 00:56.20 | koen | heh |
| 00:56.28 | koen | I was drinking beer at a party :) |
| 00:56.43 | Russ | thats the spirit |
| 01:31.01 | reenoo | 'night all |
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| 06:56.55 | *** topic/#gpe is The GPE Palmtop Environment - http://gpe.handhelds.org/ | GPE Wiki: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/GPEProject |familiar snapshots: http://familiar.handhelds.org/snapshots/ | Development Manual (in progress): http://www.kernelconcepts.de/~fuchs/gpe/doc/devmanual/ | GPE 2.7 frozen. Start the bugfixing -> http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/GPEToFixFor2_2e7 |
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| 11:36.49 | reenoo | morning |
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| 11:40.52 | bedboi | hi all |
| 11:42.11 | rob_w | how do make a sourceforge cvs checkout in a bb file |
| 11:43.04 | rob_w | got it ,. never mind |
| 11:50.22 | reenoo | hi bedboi |
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| 12:31.41 | bedboi | back |
| 12:33.27 | bedboi | hey koen |
| 12:33.39 | bedboi | seems that florian fixed the remaining bug in gpe-calendar |
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| 12:36.51 | koen | hey bedboi |
| 12:47.43 | bedboi | hey koen |
| 12:54.53 | bedboi | brb |
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| 12:59.17 | reenoo | hmm. are we distributing ntp? |
| 12:59.27 | reenoo | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=328200 |
| 13:02.49 | koen | reenoo: I think we have ntp 4.2.0 in OE |
| 13:03.58 | koen | and it seems to get built for gpe-image |
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| 13:10.52 | pb___ | yeah, it supplies ntpdate |
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| 14:46.09 | lardman | Any bluetooth gurus about? |
| 14:47.33 | bedboi | not me |
| 14:49.20 | lardman | Not to worry, I'll have to wait for Mickeyl to stop playing sport |
| 14:49.52 | lucasvo | bedboi: is your new gpe summary working? |
| 14:49.53 | koen | yay! bluetooth works on my h2210 |
| 14:50.01 | koen | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.1700.png |
| 14:50.07 | lardman | hey koen |
| 14:50.24 | koen | hey lardman |
| 14:50.52 | lardman | koen: what are you connecting to? WinXP doesn't recognise my Z correctly unless I change the class number in hcid.conf (I think it's malformed atm) |
| 14:51.09 | koen | mostly to my phone |
| 14:51.17 | koen | still trying to get $#&^*%# gprs to work |
| 14:51.27 | lardman | :) I might try that one day.... |
| 14:52.10 | lardman | koen what class does your iPAQ show in /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf? |
| 14:52.49 | lardman | my Zaurus comes with: class 0x120112, which I think is wrong and should be class 0x120110 |
| 14:53.23 | koen | class 0x120112; |
| 14:53.40 | lardman | ah, well that's not strictly correct for an iPAQ ;) |
| 14:53.48 | lardman | as that indicates that it's a clamshell |
| 14:53.56 | lardman | https://www.bluetooth.org/foundry/assignnumb/document/baseband |
| 14:54.22 | lardman | (and has the random 2 on the end...) |
| 14:54.52 | lardman | Rather confusing that bt.org page, took me a while to work out what was going on |
| 14:57.35 | reenoo | how does that matter? |
| 14:58.19 | lardman | it doesn't, but the trailing 2 does (sort of) as with it there WinXP only recognises it as a bt device rather than as a PDA |
| 15:00.19 | reenoo | bleh. packages.debian.org is down |
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| 15:04.53 | koen | lardman: it looks like the 'class' field has to be generated, not hardcoded |
| 15:07.27 | lardman | koen: Has to be? |
| 15:08.17 | reenoo | yeah. depending on where you install the package the value will be wrong most of the time |
| 15:09.25 | lardman | The thing about a clamshell or a pda? |
| 15:10.00 | reenoo | or desktop, laptop, fridge, whatever |
| 15:10.05 | koen | the 'major services classes' are a matter of which services you have activated |
| 15:10.11 | koen | headset, lan, etc |
| 15:10.33 | lardman | Yes and atm it's got Networking & Object Transfer set |
| 15:11.02 | lardman | It's certainly a per-machine setting, but could be specified at build time |
| 15:11.12 | reenoo | no |
| 15:11.18 | lardman | ? |
| 15:11.30 | reenoo | we distribute one package for I don't know how many machines |
| 15:11.49 | lardman | yes, so it's wrong for anything but a clamshell, I agree |
| 15:13.31 | lardman | So something like the slug should have a makor device class of LAN /Network Access point rather than Computer I imagine |
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| 15:14.34 | koen | hey mreimer_ |
| 15:14.44 | koen | mreimer_: bluetooth works well on the h2210 |
| 15:17.35 | mreimer_ | hey koen |
| 15:18.02 | mreimer_ | glad to hear that. so you didn't have to do anything special to get it to work? I had to hciconfig by hand, and not let hcid do it |
| 15:18.46 | koen | rm /etc/sysconf/bluetooth and run /etc/init.d/blueprobe start |
| 15:19.08 | koen | I did had to run /etc/bluetooth/hciattach.sh by hand |
| 15:19.34 | mreimer_ | yeah, gotta figure out what's going on there |
| 15:20.58 | mreimer_ | I finally got handhelds-pxa-2.6 to generate the /etc/modutils files in each kernel module package, but I'm not seeing them in build/tmp/rootfs. Do these files get installed on first boot, not by do_rootfs? |
| 15:21.13 | lardman | Is there a bit of code anywhere which will decode/encode the BT class settings? |
| 15:22.02 | mreimer_ | lardman: not sure what you mean by class settings. do you mean host, etc. as in hcid.conf? |
| 15:22.48 | lardman | mreimer_: as in hcid.conf - I can work them out by hand, but was wondering if there was a nice script/proggie which will do it for me (so I don't have to write my own) |
| 15:23.50 | mreimer_ | I don't know of one |
| 15:24.09 | lardman | I saw this and thought it might be quite cool: http://trifinite.org/trifinite_stuff_btclass.html |
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| 15:30.43 | bedboi | hi there |
| 15:30.53 | mreimer_ | hi bedboi |
| 15:32.27 | koen | g_file_storage.ko is pretty neat |
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| 15:34.27 | mreimer_ | yeah, isn't it? just make sure you don't use it on a device node that's mounted--I don't think it does any kind of locking so you can scramble your fs if you use file_storage RW |
| 15:35.06 | reenoo | doh |
| 15:35.09 | koen | I have a 20MB file containing a fat partition |
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| 15:49.50 | bedboi | e |
| 15:54.59 | _bob_w | where are the changesets visible ? |
| 16:00.50 | reenoo | what type of changesets? |
| 16:06.48 | lardman | I've got another BT question I'm afraid; I don't see any services by default, and have to add them using sdptool add <service name>. Is this usual? Should this happen automatically somehow? |
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| 16:07.37 | koen | it should have enabled the available services |
| 16:07.54 | koen | I'm not sure if gpe-bluetooth or bluez handles that |
| 16:11.21 | lardman | koen: does it work for you? Do you have services available (your phone ought to be able to tell you)? |
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| 16:15.13 | koen | hngr |
| 16:15.23 | koen | now bluetooth doesn't work |
| 16:16.00 | lardman | oops |
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| 16:51.17 | rob_w | once there was the changeset website which showed the last additions to the oe repository |
| 16:51.41 | lardman | rob_w: http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/openembedded |
| 16:57.38 | koen | or http://handhelds.org/hypermail/oe-commits/ if you want details |
| 17:01.02 | koen | is it hard to to something like switch(`grep g_ /proc/moudles`){} in C/glib? |
| 17:09.36 | lardman | Reboot time, back in a bit |
| 17:12.07 | koen | joshua_: to you have those jffs2 params handy? |
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| 17:29.41 | bedboi | http://193.204.59.123/gpe-calendar.tar.bz2 |
| 17:29.46 | bedboi | koen: can you test it |
| 17:29.50 | bedboi | it should work |
| 17:34.41 | koen | ok, building it right now |
| 17:34.55 | bedboi | ok |
| 17:37.07 | bedboi | doh, i have an "Aborted" |
| 17:37.11 | bedboi | wtf |
| 17:38.30 | bedboi | i don't have this problems on my pc |
| 17:39.50 | bedboi | i really have to go now. |
| 17:39.57 | bedboi | i'm still at politechnic :) |
| 17:41.08 | bedboi | bye |
| 17:41.27 | koen | installing it |
| 17:41.31 | bedboi | ok |
| 17:41.34 | bedboi | so i wait |
| 17:41.55 | bedboi | if you try to change two or three days it will crash |
| 17:42.13 | bedboi | it has to be some pointer |
| 17:42.28 | bedboi | ~lart pointers |
| 17:43.33 | bedboi | koen: trying? |
| 17:43.58 | koen | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.27277.png |
| 17:44.06 | koen | looks like it's working |
| 17:44.27 | koen | started it, added 2 appointments, closed it, started it |
| 17:44.52 | bedboi | no try to change day |
| 17:45.11 | bedboi | advance two days |
| 17:45.30 | bedboi | it should crash |
| 17:45.43 | bedboi | at least it crashes on my ipaq, so it's not good :) |
| 17:45.54 | bedboi | so? |
| 17:46.06 | koen | it doesn't crash |
| 17:46.10 | bedboi | cool |
| 17:46.19 | bedboi | must have be my ipaq, don't know |
| 17:46.29 | bedboi | can you give me your ipkg? |
| 17:46.42 | bedboi | just the url |
| 17:46.43 | koen | http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/deploy/ipk/gpe-calendar_0.65-r0_arm.ipk |
| 17:46.48 | bedboi | ok thanks |
| 17:46.56 | bedboi | now i go |
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| 17:47.02 | bedboi | bye |
| 17:47.07 | bedboi | see you tomorrow |
| 17:47.12 | koen | cu |
| 17:47.16 | spinpress | I built my gpe-image with bitbake, and now following the guide to ssh into my pda, I can ping the pda, but the pda wont connect to the computer |
| 17:47.41 | spinpress | I built my gpe-image with bitbake, and now following the guide to ssh into my pda, I can ping the pda, but the pda wont connect to the computer |
| 17:47.45 | spinpress | oops |
| 17:47.48 | lardman | :) |
| 17:48.13 | lardman | What command are you using to try to ssh in from the computer to the pda? |
| 17:48.45 | spinpress | i cant ssh because the pda hasnt connected to the host yet |
| 17:49.01 | spinpress | here is an entry for my /var/log/messages |
| 17:49.03 | spinpress | Oct 1 10:46:29 localhost rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from 192.168.0.202:661 for /home/ipaq_rootfs (/home/ipaq_rootfs) |
| 17:49.03 | spinpress | Oct 1 10:46:29 localhost svc: unknown version (3) |
| 17:49.31 | spinpress | its trying to connect, but it cant |
| 17:49.46 | spinpress | yet I can ping the little bugger through the usbnet |
| 17:49.52 | lardman | What's svc? |
| 17:49.57 | spinpress | service |
| 17:50.25 | lardman | Nothing there indicates that the ssh server has failed to start on the pda - what does ps -a show? |
| 17:51.02 | spinpress | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.02 | spinpress | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.02 | spinpress | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.02 | spinpress | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.15 | lardman | I'd use pastebin.ca normally |
| 17:51.39 | lardman | That's 'ps -a'? You're not running as root then? |
| 17:51.41 | spinpress | on little things.. i paste here.. but sry.. i will use it from now on ;) |
| 17:52.00 | lardman | spinpress: no, I thought there would be loads of output, don;'t worry |
| 17:52.00 | spinpress | yes.. iam running as root |
| 17:52.14 | lardman | ps -a should show a few more things running then |
| 17:52.21 | reenoo | no |
| 17:52.26 | reenoo | ps ax should |
| 17:52.37 | lardman | I stand corrected |
| 17:52.43 | spinpress | ps -ax shows a load of crap |
| 17:52.49 | spinpress | pastebin? |
| 17:52.58 | reenoo | ~pastebin |
| 17:53.00 | ibot | it has been said that pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca/ |
| 17:53.12 | lardman | Just see if dropbear is in there |
| 17:53.58 | spinpress | yeah.. i was asking if you wanted it a pastebin... lol |
| 17:54.19 | spinpress | i use pastebin alot... for bigger pastes ;) |
| 17:55.02 | spinpress | no dropbear |
| 17:57.15 | lardman | Which machine? What is the image (familiar/OZ/etc.)? |
| 17:58.05 | spinpress | gpe-image / h3900 (hp2215) |
| 17:58.15 | lardman | is that recent? |
| 17:58.34 | spinpress | yeah.. just built it yesterday with bitbake & oe |
| 17:58.54 | lardman | oh right. As dropbear isn't running see if it exists in /usr/sbin |
| 17:59.13 | spinpress | k |
| 17:59.33 | spinpress | nope.. doesnt exist |
| 17:59.47 | spinpress | may i ask what dropbear is? |
| 18:00.01 | lardman | It's a lightweight ssh server |
| 18:00.05 | spinpress | i dont remember seeing this in any walkthrough or guide on handhelds.org |
| 18:00.17 | spinpress | ohh... i can emerge it now |
| 18:00.44 | spinpress | i dont think that its ssh yet though... |
| 18:00.53 | spinpress | the output on the pda is different |
| 18:01.38 | spinpress | RPC errors, Input/Output errors in the mount: line, and NFS Mount errors |
| 18:02.13 | spinpress | and that the bottom "Make sure that your NFS services are well configured and running." |
| 18:02.33 | spinpress | i know that they are running.. and pretty sure they are configured properly |
| 18:02.44 | spinpress | and my /etc/exports line is good to go as well |
| 18:03.26 | reenoo | the question was whether dropdear is running on the ipaq actually |
| 18:04.01 | spinpress | ohh. no it isnt |
| 18:04.20 | spinpress | i am still at the HAReT part of the actual install |
| 18:06.11 | lardman | I know nothing about this as I'm a Zaurus user, sorry |
| 18:06.32 | spinpress | its okay |
| 18:06.36 | spinpress | thanks for trying |
| 18:07.32 | lardman | night all |
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| 18:44.31 | mimecar | evening |
| 18:45.40 | koen | hey mimecar |
| 18:46.02 | mimecar | hi koen |
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| 19:35.33 | hrhr | hi all |
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| 21:01.21 | mimecar | hi |
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| 22:25.27 | fng_sma | hello |
| 22:26.00 | koen | hey fng_sma |
| 22:28.22 | fng_sma | koen: I read there |
| 22:28.41 | fng_sma | were bigger updates in the h2210 port. |
| 22:28.44 | fng_sma | Sounded great. |
| 22:29.25 | koen | yes |
| 22:29.39 | koen | I'v been running gpe the last few days on the 2210 |
| 22:29.58 | fng_sma | How's the power management? |
| 22:30.17 | koen | pretty good |
| 22:30.32 | koen | I do have the wrong X version, so suspending is flaky |
| 22:31.16 | fng_sma | I always thought of buying it. It always looked great. |
| 22:31.32 | fng_sma | Small, SD+CF. So all, you need. |
| 22:31.44 | koen | indeed |
| 22:31.54 | koen | the hx2750 adds wifi to that |
| 22:32.23 | fng_sma | Is it also supported as good as the h2210? |
| 22:32.31 | koen | almost |
| 22:32.44 | koen | no support for flash |
| 22:34.40 | koen | compared to the h5550, which is pretty much the same hardware, the 2210 just flies |
| 22:34.43 | fng_sma | well, but with rootfs on sd I think that's not a that big issue. |
| 22:35.11 | koen | rebooting through wince is annoying |
| 22:47.44 | koen | fng_sma: how's your z? |
| 22:50.06 | fng_sma | koen: oh well, I was testing the battery a bit and the rootfs on sd does not yet work as I want. But since I heard of the good support for the h2210 I thought of switching to it (to the pleasure of my girlfriend) |
| 22:50.47 | fng_sma | She already thought the z to be useless... Whatever :-) |
| 22:51.29 | reenoo | are the h2210s still sold? |
| 22:51.39 | reenoo | s/sold/on sale/ |
| 22:51.57 | fng_sma | I only found them in ebay. |
| 22:52.13 | fng_sma | You get them for about 180 Euros. |
| 22:52.38 | koen | they where replaced by the hx2000 series a few months ago |
| 22:53.00 | reenoo | which aren't as well supported I take it? |
| 22:53.42 | reenoo | (as you may have guessed already I'm pondering getting a new toy) |
| 22:54.33 | koen | the hx2750 and hx2410 work with's RPs kernel |
| 22:54.46 | koen | no idea on the hx21xx |
| 22:55.14 | reenoo | but no flash support? or was that the h2210? |
| 22:55.42 | koen | no flash support in the hx2000 series |
| 22:55.42 | fng_sma | bye bye, my poor bothered boyfriend (who's a little bit annoyed just because I don't get why he spends most of his money on things he spends more time on fixing up than using) unfortunately has to go now... I still find these chats rather nice though, So have a nice evening/day/morning! Bye, Katrina. |
| 22:55.46 | koen | :) |
| 22:56.26 | fng_sma | oh, she did it again! Used my computer, when I was away!! |
| 22:56.29 | fng_sma | argh... |
| 22:56.49 | fng_sma | Well, see you tomorrow! (Looks like I have to go). |
| 22:57.03 | reenoo | bummer. and the Zs don't have built-in wifi. |
| 22:57.13 | reenoo | ~herring sharp |
| 22:57.14 | ibot | ACTION whacks sharp on the side of the head with a large red herring named alfred |
| 22:57.28 | fng_sma | reenoo: do it again! |
| 22:57.59 | fng_sma | they deserved it! |
| 22:58.03 | fng_sma | Bye. |
| 22:58.17 | reenoo | heh |
| 22:59.41 | koen | 'night all |
| 23:16.43 | reenoo | 'night all |
